Zambia’s Second Republican President Frederick Chiluba said that the funds which the MMD party raised from well-wishers and private sources were meant for his personal use as well as MMD party activities.
Dr Chiluba said this when he started this testimony today in the magistrate’s court in the case in which he is accused of plunder of national resources.
Dr. chiluba testified that he was advised by former Zambia Intelligence Security Services Director General Xavier Chungu that money raised from private sources by the MMD party be screened and kept in the intelligence account.
Dr. Chiluba said this was meant to facilitate transparency and accountability of such funds.
He further told the court that it was Mr. Chungu’s sole responsibility to manage and administer the account as Director General.
The former president testified that it has now become a golden rule for all political party’s NOT to disclose their source of funding.
He said no political party in Zambia has ever disclosed its source of funding since independence.
Dr. Chiluba further testified that many governments the world over use the intelligence account for activities that may be deemed illegal.
Dr Chiluba is jointly charged with Defunct Access Financial Services Directors Faustin Kabwe and Aaron Chungu.
The former president will appear before the magistrate’s court on Wednesday for continued trial.
VIva FTJ
Viva MMD
Nothing wrong FTJ
At least!! Thanks LT
FTJ no need to disclose the source of funds. Viva
Thanks LT :d koma nachedwa ya ya ya
Ako kakabolala no 1..
I don’t see anything wrong with that.
Elyo nakaipekanya ifya kwasuka…chenjeleni ba Judge…
Uyu yena katwishi nga akakakwa.. vyakulolavye.. $-)$-)$-)$-)$-)
6. Sony Ericsson Phiri U were Busy on the other thread =))=))=))
I think FTJ will find party funds aren’t party president’s personal funds. That’s why Sarah Palin got slated for doig that. Imagine Gordon Brown using Labour Party funds to pay school fees for his kids.
Kuvionela kubukulu!
FTJ is calling funds that he obtained from the government illegally, his!!
Mind his language Please!!
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1. Man at the center
“…This MAN is not defined according to his color, nation, religion, creed, political leanings, material contribution or any matter…”
2. The dignity of Man
“Humanism teaches us to be considerate to our fellow men in all we say and do…”
3. Non-exploitation of Man by Man
“Humanism abhors every form of exploitation of MAN by man.”
4. Equal opportunities for all
“Humanism seeks to create an egalitarian society–that is, society in which there is equal opportunity for self-development for all…”
5. Hard work and Self-reliance
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5. Hard work and Self-reliance
“Humanism declares that a willingness to work hard is of prime importance without it nothing can be done anywhere…”
6. Working together
“The National productivity drive must involve a communal approach to all development programs. This calls for a community and team spirit…”
7. The extended family
“…under extended family system; no old person is thrown to the dogs or to the institutions like old people’s homes…”
8. Loyalty and Patriotism
“…It is only in dedication and loyalty can unity subsist.”
FTJ cheated death at his birth but his twin sister, who might have been the honest one, did not make it. Therefore cheating courts of law and magistrates is child’s play for Titus Mpundu. :((:((:((:((
Bukawalala.. Nabula fye.. This culure which is retarding Zambia development. Ba chiluba, Kamudala…Non disclosure is only valid if the veil is not lifted. Since you are charged, You need to prove where u got the money..kwapwa.
If this is the begginng of his defence,then the man is in serious problems.Funds donated to Party are mine!! My Foot.
drama pa zed. even popwe can have courage to talk like he did nothing and the judge are nothing to him. ny way RB at his best.
Guys ubushimbe ine nafwa eee. Mwebantu ubushimbe.
CHEWE UBUSHIMBE TA BWIPAYA, CHILUBA YAZANDA….
Chiuba on defence lelo lelo taskforce. So all these years it was just task force in play. From the look of things these cases will take another 10 years. see where chiluba has started from. this is something new. he has taken the case to MMD. that means task force will have to redress some convictions. another circus is here. PF is the only one that could deal with this guy because he grieved us. we can sort him out nicely no mercy. but RB cant he was brided through Mwanga. HH is a child of Chiluba ZPA. he is a benefactor. PF is at logger heads with kafupi. wait 2011 we will sort u out na RB.
14 and 14 long posts like Maestro hehehehheeeeeeeeeeeee
Chiluba you will be free don`t worry. RB is president so no worries.
Hands up if you`ve never s t o l e n in your life!
Chiluba iyitaya from the start. Why couldnt MMD open its own bank account
Zambians do not be cheated!! Please look at the constitution properly and judge the actions of FTJ accordingly.
13 and 14 did u do can u remember in grade 5, 6, and 7? or English comprehension in secondary? Ndiwe nyama soya or nyama bwanji. that u cant see that what u saying is not corresponding with the topic at hand. i can c here tili nachainama. imwe bantu ofunta abapena kusondoka is not hard. at least we have two Maestro hehehehheeeeeeeeeeeee okolewa nachibwantu nauyu ati Anonymous. amashilu schooled chaps but missing education. the illiterate educated schooled bloggers :((:((:((:((:((:((:((:((:((:((:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
Chiluba might have done something wrong by plundering the national resources,but i feel that he has also done good things for Zambia. Am not trying to justify what Chiluba did.But all am saying is that the man has suffered enough punishment for the past 10years. He has gone through mental toture,anguish and terrible agony during the period he has been out of office. Dont just waste money and time forgive Chiluba.Na ngu pa blogg apa,maybe mwe bengi muli ma plunderers in your organisations just that you havent been caught.He did a wrong thing yes,but forgive him.
-chiluba in court :d/:d/:d/:d/:d/:d/:d/ taskforce[-([-([-([-([-([-([-([-( zambian :o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o
Supergal how are you?yes i know tabwipaya.But i think i have kept myself for long enough.And now i feel that there is something nice that am missing.
RB :d/:d/:d/:d/:d:d:d HH:x:x:x:x:x:x SATA:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
Iwe Chewe please tabulate for the good that FTJ has done. I will help you
1. Put Archie is prison for no reason
2. Put Nakatindi in prison for no reason
3. Put KK in prison for no reason
4. Build a Bridge in Lusaka (Manda hill) where there is no need
5. Diminshed Peacock population at state house
6. Build the FTJ institute
7. Said PHI will build 7000 house a year
why is frederick jacob titus zyalale nkonde chiluba not giving a sworn statement? umukalamba ni njeke bad.
Chewe you seem to have problem. Go and see a shrink before its too late. As far as I can remember you seem to talk about this gal thing every now and then. A normal person does not do that in public unless its used to chat up gals on the blog so that they can feel sorry for you. If thats the case then it has worked.
Do some of these funny characters blogg in arears? Because you might be blogging the whole day,and such characters are not there.When he appears,brace yourselves for long and irrelevant comments.Taking so much space and surpass all the comments you did during the day.Ala kwena abafwika ku great east road bengi.
Am tied of hearing the same old story.I dont think our government is not doing enough to bring Chiluba on hes makufi.if realy he did use da money,he has to bring it back.
Kanshi walitontokanya FJT mwana,no harm with that ,but ngabakukaka lobe
Iwe chewe ulanda bwino great east kwi chainama Hills Hospital or Campus?
Chiluba no worry nabena Nchito balashana na Nkogole ya Zambian Airways
Ubufi ka Kafupi, atase was the money meant for the Blue and orange shoes and pinky pants???
That’s what happens when you have a half baked constitution and no guide lines on political donations. Africans always want to keep things very vague so that they can easily manipulate the situation for there personal gain. kafupi needs to be put in front of the firing squad!!
Stonehearted masterdribbler. God have mercy. Straight from declaring a christian nation to to grabbing Mwanza’s wife.Dont get “sick” when Chungu starts to give his defence. Uliwamusebaanya
Looking at the gesture of chiluba it is just showing that he was getting the privaty funding not the country but putting in his small pockets. Can we have some some people who learned. And you guys here please u take course that will help to interpret things and not just get behind without knowing the thing and keep on the people you can see that they making our country economy going down.
:d/:d/:d/FREDRICK,TITUS,JACOB,MPUNDU,NKONDE,ZYALALE,CHABALA,KAFUPI,CHILUBA,CAN SOMEONE FILL ME UP WITH THIS CHARACTER PLIZ….NONE OF THESE NAMES CORRESPONDE WITH THE MAN IN COURT….:-w:-w:-w
PF die hard munandi.Abafwaika ku great east road Chainama bengi boyi.I meant Chainama. Yanjani Zulu,am not supporting ka Chiluba in anyway,he was decampaigning my president Sata. But all am saying is that he should just be forgiven. He brought democracy nangu taili straight pa Zed Liberalised economy,Muli kaunda ba lekwimya by air kuli i have even forgotten what they were called.I was very young then,kuli KK kuti mwalanda ati Nyama soya imwe? But freedom of expression mulapontela na kateka lero.Am a PF die hard,but every person has a good and bad side,am just being realistic here.Not Just condemning everything no.
Chiluba the 4 foot sakalanyongo!!!!!
He is just putting up smoke and mirrors, yes a political party doesn’t have to reveal it’s private donors as long as they are within the confines of the law.
What the GRZ alleges however is that all monies paid to Chiluba from the intelligence accounts were taxpayers’ funds. What FTJ should do is; not disclose the donors but show payments made by MMD to ZSIS for managing and disbursement by Chungu.
You cannot withdraw what you didn’t deposit! No wonder he doesn’t want Nchito to cross examine him by refusing to swear under oath of the bible prior to his testimony :-w
Very we will start hearing that Chiluba invented cell phones. He should only be forgiven if he admits his faults.
Private funds for personal use? Is MMD a private organisation? If so, then its ruling illegally. MMD is a public org and therefore MMD funds should be made public!!
ok continue defending yourselves but just know you are going in sir.Levy by revealing your wrongs knew wat he doing more especially he a lawyer.
#28 I agree with you. No man is perfect, we all make mistakes. The human nature is to forget all the good one does and remember only the bad. As fellow human beings we need to learn to forgive even when someone does not ask for it, coz we also wrong others. Let us focus on the good Ba KK,Ba Chiluba, Ba Levy have done during their term of rule. It is hard, but it can be done. Forgiveness is the key!!!!
This is an admission of guilt. Arrest the chap and bring on the next case. Quickly, quickly please
it is not like the private donations were given for private purposes , am sure chiluba had to fill the end of his bargain . If the private donors were paying to see chiluba dance like chanda beu then we have no cart blanche to on the matter but if they were paying for use of public tools which seems like the case then we should know. Asking this mental midget chiluba for answers is pointless because I think the government should do an Enquiry into his dealings and look up his personal accounts, documents and other paraphanelia to see where the money trail comes from
‘Don’t insult my president,you should be insulting me instead’.those with a sound mind will remember who uttered these words at the epic of the third term debate when the whole nation apart from a few syncophants where upset with ka Ftj as he wanted to dribble the country.so why was this man proping up a thief to rule zambia again.since the same man has always had very sensitive imformation in the country at any given time than even the OP.didn’t he know on this particular situation that the master was stealing and at the same time flirting with somebody’s wife.god forbids.no wonder some coolies will never rule this country.
How so strange .Personal money my God what nonsense is this! no wonder Levy had to resign in 1994-5. We had a sick mind for a president .Cursed be the day you were born FTJ Chiluba
Anyone with the slightest common sense can tell that Chiluba the thief is guilty. Was he the partty treasurer? And why should MMD money be his? What criteria did he use to decide how much goes to the party and how much goes for his personal use? Why does he think every Country in the world uses intelligent account for things that are deemed illegal? The man is not only very childish and ignorant but he has demonstrated total lack of integrity and honesty. What a shameless thing this short creature has been? His children must be very ashamed to call him their father. Kwena lishilu sana uyu Chiluba
This man is self centred, let justice take its course. Zambia could have been sold off had he succeded with his third term bid. The judiciary is more independent now than ever before. After the sentecing of those generals, others are shaking. Let them learn.
PLEASE THOSE WERE PUBLIC FUNDS NOT FRED JOE AUCTIONEER’S MONEY.
Ba Chiluba,
Bakamba sometimes ndofwa nensoni to tell pipo that we come from the same province.I think the best thing you can do mr is to apologise to the pipo of Zambia,pantu you really messed up big man. :-j:-j:-j:-j:-j
Ngati kawalala avomela mulandu, please save the tax payer money by arresting the same and concluding the case. No forgiveness as a strong message and a deterrent must be conveyed by the law to all those who hold public office.
Musiyeni mwana.
may justice prevail. :)>-:)>-:)>-
Chiluba looks like a baby Tiger!!
He reminds me of w ww.youtube.com/watch?v=x0CMtVFtqd0
yes
One cannot understand how a sitting President can personalize use of funds given to him in his capacity as Republican President.
Here is something that might interest some of you: When Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister of Britain, she was gifted an expensive necklace on one of her official visits. When she left politics, her Predecessor John Major gave the necklace to his wife to wear at an official function. Margaret Thatcher publicly condemned him and said that the necklace was a gift to the Prime Minister of Britain and she (Major’s wife) could only wear it if she held that office… Britain agreed with her.
Contd..
My point is that, there are rules and standards applied to holding higher office and receiving funds in one’s personal capacity as a sitting president is definitely not one of them. Chiluba should have made do with his salary and understand that being President of a country is a form of servitude!!!
Bashi Ka Castro…your defense is veeeeeeeeeery weak!! Baza kumangani ka!!! Ya bantamuka apa lelo!! :-w
Martworld boyi,walikwisa kanshi?missing you so much. Imwe ushaibapo nangu umunani mumpoto emye ukuboko. Nangu ni KK fye that man committed seriousy offences nangu bailinganya filya.
Ba Chewe,
Iam very much around mudala,Icalo fye ukushupa No abakashi,No abana,No farm.But by God’s grace we are surviving.How about you mudala yali balancer?Nangu lumolwine? :-j:-j:-j:-j:-j
A person with a master in Politics and Government can do better than that. Anyway what do you expect from people who lack respect for state institutions. They think they are right and have the audacity to say so in court
George W Bush is the waste president that America has had. Despite him trying hard to fight aids around the world with so much passion, his stance on Iraq and how he invaded it,made him the worst.So many people have died.But we shall see if America will take Bush to Court,never it will not happen.Am not Supporting Chiluba,crookedness.Am saying lets just forgive him and move on.
Ba Chewe
mpeniko ka phone Number kenu,Dont ukuntana nga Ba Moze.You can write me pali iyi adress [email protected] ^:)^^:)^^:)^^:)^
Martworld taila balancer,ala kwena ubushimbe bwanshupa sana ine.
Forgiving Chiluba is not a problem if he can humble himself and apologize. For now what are we going to forgive him for?. What transgression has he committed?. He says he is innocent
Chewe
tauli weka,ala naine lumolwine.Abanakashi nabena though the know ati ulebafwaya they keep on torturing you instead of helping.Nomba ine na manifesto nalembele paka paper yalicita expire so no story. 8->8->8->8->8->8->
I personally give Chiluba some benefits of doubts, he is now exposing his total madness or ignorant and lack of integrity. May be ka mundala aka nakapeni.Jacob Chiluba Titus Fredrick Kafupi shame. %-(:-t:(|)
Please let Chiluba alone,i think he had had enough imagine from 2001.
People, have you forgotten how you used to queu for sugar? Let him enjoy his money.Lets not expose our poverty.
This is proper middle age crisis Zo-ona,how can he have the guts to give a testimony like this sure.Ba Chiluba you are not being fair to us and yourself,you have really hurt us and its like you are still comfortable with what you did.My dear you may be a victor here,but in heaven you will be loser for God does not entertain plunderers. :-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j
Okay lelo nainkosela.I have failed to sleep Just watching What a life yapa Zed.Guys sure you mean pa Zed there no nice films you can send to Afica Magic sure? But we embarance ourselves Zo-ona.Anyway regardless of our Poor economy Pa Zed I will never denounce my Country for Iam in love with it,and I will remain a proud Zambian. :-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j
Ki lisholi shaa!
I think what Chiluba is basically saying is that it is the fault of the system, not of the individual. So he is admitting guilt, but saying the system should also go to jail if he goes. Takwaaba ! We will try and change the system, but the individual must go to jail. No forgiveness because future thieves will quote the Chiluba case and plead innocence. Get ready to be shafted in Chimbokaila!
Sony Ericson Phiri.
How do you embarance me like this sure? Ati Waiter I want that drink with a ka Horse pipe. :-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j.Mbuya wanga Sony its a straw not ka horse pipe.:-j:-j:-j.Anyway What do you expect from Easterners?
Matworld
LT Award winner for :-j:-j:-j:-j:-j
Ka shoti yazanda lelo lelo
Private funds…OK!! but why private and from where? We need an itemised list of ‘FUNDERS’ to know exactly where the so called private funds came from!!! :-w
Was ‘FTJ IN IT’… Government as President for bettering himself off or did he have Zambian citizens in mind at all? 😕
Kawalala ni kawalala. Very soon he will start intimidating the magistrates in bemba. That is how this thief operates. He will tell them ‘baiche, nga teine nga tamwaba munchito imwe. Nifinshi mwaishiba imwe baiche’. That is this short thief for you. Kachabe sana.
ndimwe bo sila ba muyangana :-/
# 7 # 9, you don’t know what you are talk about. Just shut your mouth. Chiluba will be free soon. Viva Chiluba
viva Chiluba
I have been thinking oh My Lord ! After reading the blogger s` views , for solace I turned to DR Martin Luther king speech `I have been to the mountain top’ 1963 . Naturally I had to say God where did we go wrong to have a genetic mutant in the name of chiluba?
Is Fredrick,Titus ,Jacob,Mpundu, kafupi Chiluba a real human organism or a genetic Mutant? please me help on this one.
Number 1 talk time Banda.Shame on you!!!!! Viva FTJ??? when millions of your bothers are languishing in poverty because of your master.Be real!!!!
FTJ yazanda,all these yrs of preparation just to start yo defence like that awe kwene va suzya waka mbuya.just apologise to the nation,pay 75% back and off yu go to yo dream land Bahamas with mrs mwanza or sorry “mrs FTJ” and of course mrs vera chiluba.ye mayo! sure we still have the likes of chewe calling fo FTJ’s forgiveness,Hmmmm! how do yu forgive someone who says is innocent?
viva vera chiluba,viva! Viva vera chiluba, Viva! Viva vera chiluba, viva! abash regina mwanza, Abash! Abash regina mwanza, abash!
Abash regina mwanza,abash! Yuor promiscous and material life is partly
What led this ka man to be in the hot waters he is now.so please i bend down my knees don’t abandon him in times of need.
Kakabwala akepi…if he was working for Bill Gates he would have been stealing and stealing until he finished Bill Gates’ money a thief with a passion who steals anything he sees…Kach!@#$%*! chobe.Imilandu walepenga shonse balekwelela iye nomba uyuwaleta ala kwena balekulonga.
all of us condemning and judging Chiluba are we 100% righteous? sometimes we have to show mercy and grace not only to the innocent but also to the people who have done wrong even though they don’t want to accept that they have done wrong.
#97 The fact that none is righteous does stop us from condeming this short despot
NINE CHILE. You dont see anything wrong? There is plenty wrong. The guy has been coached on what to say so that you dont see any thing wrong and the dwarf goes free.
Kafupi should be extradited to Baidoa – Somalia where Sharia law has just been introduced.
thanks # 7 cuty wify, ni kakabolala, twalakaka nombaline 😕
Kaamba ukuvoka ka mambala, mwalaumfwako. This guy is just too cunning and shrewd. I doubt if the govt has the will and capacity to nail him.
#97 i feel sorry for u..
Ba mambala,thats what you were doing even to Levy condeming him always.When he died praises were coming from all directions.You people mwaba shani kanshi.If Chiluba was to die today you will open your mouths wide ukulanda ifyabufi.Your hearts have no mercy they are as hard as that of a lion or crocodile. Muli tukabolala mwebengi apa.Just wanting to show bu innocent ubwa bufi.Ba mambala mulekwatako uluse,Am not supporting Chiluba,s plunder. But what am saying is that the man has suffered enough,he has been sick.He has just been going to court and hospital for the past 10yrs.Nkofwepo kamo apa if he dies kukalomo ati may his soul rest in peace he was a good man.Mukamona ba mambala.Viva Sata,viva pabwato.
‘Dr. Chiluba further testified that many governments the world over use the intelligence account for activities that may be deemed illegal.’
I think by saying this, KaChiluba is admitting that he and Xavier were involved in illegal activities. These plunderers have become bold & arrogant after LPMs demise. Imagine, KaChiluba even refused to swear on the Bible that he will say nothing but the truth yet he claims to be a man of GOD.
Ati Kilisholi,naiwe wine uli Kalisholi shaa.I dont condone such behaviour as that of Chiluba.But he can be forgiven. Uli perfect apa emye ukuboko.I hate stealing,am a virgin,i have never smoked before,i have never tested bear.I strive to do the right things.And yet am not raising my finger and point at Chiluba,s wrongs.But people who are worst characters here,are busy raising there urgly long fingers and point at Chiluba.Ba Kapweke imwe,bakapafu kwati ni mulilimwa,ubututu. A lot of educated villagers here.
Chewe who is a mambala you are referring to? Don’t hide behind the internet veil and haul abuse at people who did not partake in Chiluba’s plunder. This man is unrepentant. The reaction to his death will only come when that happens. For now he must spend his retirement in Court and later in prison
Ka Titus Kafupi Fredrick Chiluba “Monkey in a maize field”you deserve the treatment you are getting. I totally agree with my brother who suggested that we take him to mundawanga Zoo for public display and possibly preserve him for future generations to see the kind of rare mischievous spicies we had for president.
what pains me most is that the guy is tring to defend himself when he knows that he did alot of damages to this country and he neve thought of those pipo who were hospiatls all he had in maind was stealing for the pipo of Zambia….Arrest Chiliba PERIOD!!!!!!
Kafupi,just hand over the money.Simple.
BORING :-@
kamangeni ako ka Chanda Beu. Ta kwaba ukwiba kwa so ba annointed one
FTJ, please balange efyo batwya mpila. ati Chungu ndiye aziba vonse.
You People supporting this nonsense FTJ is talking about,dont you think this confirms that he is trully a thief?.Dont you think he was even stealing from the Party (MMD) by Chungu being the sole administrator to this account?.You see,he is trying to implicate alot of people in his activities,and I dont believe a head of state can listern to someone over such scandalous activities.Let us not support criminalogy,it is a bad seed which will be difficult to remove.already,our country is struggling,why,its because of the nonsense of getting things on a silver platter.Zambia is going down,getting poorer by each day we move.We have to stand up and remove the rot.Dont get excited with his gramma,No!
Borrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing #:-s#:-s#:-s
114 “Amuna Onzuna”(We have to stand up and remove the rot)this makes perfect sence,the rot is in power right now,by spending so much tax payers money trying to prosecute this man (By the way he isnt going to jail,i guarantee you that)why dont we channel our energies towards more productive ventures,this is mearly score settling and the only people who benefit are the lawyers,tell me how is FTJ going to jail going to benefit zambia,we will still have to look after the man in jail as tax payer,!lets refocus:)>-
Kafupi does not want to give sworn evidence so that he is not cross examined, ka bisa chani? Ni guilty only solution is jail
71. Chewe, Honestly can you compare George W. Bush to Chiluba? American Presidents have regards and respect of public funds. Even when Bush wanted extra funds to support his own troubles in Iraq, he sort congress’s support.
Let’s not be blinded on the difference between public and private funds. Until we reach that level of distinguishing between the two, only then should be ready to hold public office. If Chiluba had abused his own salary, that is fine. There is a difference between MMD and Chiluba. This is exactly what nepotism can do, it will wrongly advice you (FTJ & Xavier Chungu).
# 59,
Matworld, I am equally embarrassed. And to make the matter even worse, I am from the same village with him!
I pray that his accomplices do not go scot free at the end of the day coz these malevolent characters (E.G. X Chungu,Chungu Kabwe,Chibanda, Musonda,Yaba!! these ‘Damaging Directors’ have really dented our image!!) have done more harm than good to poor Zambians!
Is it a coincidence that after Chungu appeared from his hiding in Mozambique, then suddenly Chiluba is very fit, doesn’t need any doctor, he is viciously ready to face any Magistrate.
These schemes were planned from the time FTJ stepped his foot in State House upto the outcome of these court cases.
Zambians are being played by these tricksters.
Zambia is the only country where, one commits a fraudulent activity in transferring a minor, after that he even threatens to take you to FIFA.
Would it have made a difference if he was using the ‘account’ for legitimate means instead of buying extra small shoes, suits, pants etc. Somehow i beleive FTJ. He will be aqcuited soon !
Chiluba is a thief…
59. Matworld-Nice guy! Chiluba is too pompass for nothing, After having an interest in buying Zambia’s assets abroad
419
Shameless liar
# 13 & 14. UPASEKO MONI YOUR MS HUMANIST (HEINONEN)
Ka Chiluba nikakawalalalaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Chewe where are you based?Zambia or Germany?
How long will this case take? Can someone give an idea of how much has been expended. The expenses involved are obviously such that a nation as small as Zambia cant keep up. From the look of things this case will drag for another 10 yrs.
Whatever the case the tax payer has already lost. Should the taxpayer continue incurring the costs?
chewe yu’re bitting yo own tongue,on 1 hand yu want to advance yo forgiveness”xtian”,on the other yu’re showering curses on innocent bloggers-go back and check yo facts.yu might be a virgin,never tasted bear nor smoked,these attributes don’t make yu wiser or more xtian.get it straight=FTJ is a thief until proved otherwise.
This man utters what I can never understand at all times…
Its ever so simple, maybe childish, thinks he is very wise…
Why cant he lower himself and apologise?
I find no logic in his words… He is supposed to be guiding
He must give up trying to impress… He is no Noah or Solomon or
Jesus… I pray Jehovah should open up his heart if HE deems it so
The point I’m driving at is that it will certainly cost the taxpayer a considerable amount for the case to be carried out as should be. FTJ is entitled to a fair hearing and this entails the due process of the law.
That is how ba Shushu operate World over. Who knew CIA had prison cells in Zambia.
I wonder how they P.A.Y.E structure is going to be in this years budget.
It may seem a straight forward case on the surface for the offended Public but, the whole thing is dependant on his reservoir of cash.
So far he has managed to prove that he is capable of going on. The lawyers will not just yet abandon him. He is keeping up.
Just a thought, the proof of his plunderings lies in his capacity to keep up and since his lawyers are not showing signs of abandoning him, surely he must have the loot under his control.
I doubt if THE TASK FORCE lawyers are upto task or is it also a chance for them to legally plunder by deliberately playing dull and complicating matters?
What is the point of a ‘TOOTHLESS TASKFORCE’? What is the matter that a London Judge could give judgement within a Judicial timeframe whilst …..
Just yesterday LPM was putting MMD money in his own personal account at FBZ Ltd, and this info was in the public domain. Its source was from “MMD supporters & sympathisers” – including the kick backs from major mine houses whom LPM could not tax when it was necessary, just to benefit himself and the MMD. Can anyone tell me how the MMD will get balance remainging in LPM’s account now that he is dead? How different is it from FTJ’s schemes?
Defence chiefs have been jailed for not following tender procedures. When LPM engaged the services of the Nchitos, were tender procedures followed? Chiawa irrigation project worth billions, were tender procedures followed? etc, Is the govt invstg thes
It is on record that immediately after the arrest of Ftj the Zamtrop account was audited and it was established that during Ftj’s reign, this account had more money than what GRZ put in. So the question is where did the exta monies come from? food for thought.
The African Wild Dog will pursue its intended prey until the prey is too tired to continue running. The prey simply collapses, too tired to go on. The Wild Dog will not kill the prey immediately but will begin eating the prey whilst alive.
The dogs may start eating the preys legs, then the tail and rest in between.
But for sanity sake we are no ‘Wild Dogs’
Are the alleged lootings of FTJ capable of adding value to our ailing economy? The moral implications of the case are obviously greater than the recoveries to be made whatever form they may be.
Justice must indeed be seen to prevail, but in this case Justice has been lost in time.
CHILUBA might have done something good the this nation yes, but the truth still remains the man robbed our money.
The GOVT should not give him his terminal benefits,but instead use that same money to clean our hospitals, some schools and repair the roads that are in bad state.
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Chungu was the top spy and his coming back to Zambia was well schemed. Secret agents world over have their own methods of operations.Can u believe that CIA has been mainting prison cells in Zambia? That is why these guys do not wear uniforms, no country can survive without their services.
Look Dr. Chiluba has gained more courage and just wait and see next. Why are not taling of those who bought GRZ & council not being asked to return such properties. Is that not part of plunder coz councils and GRZ were stripped of their assets and sold for pea nuts.
As I have said time and again on this forum, Chiluba and Chungu standing trial in these common courts will just bring out issues that will put at risk the security of this nation. Consider what he said in court yesterday…’Zamtrop account could even be used to kill people in the interest of the country.’ He is saying this to save his neck but does he understand what he is plunging the country into?
We may as well be in order to question the death of Paul Tembo and the witnesses who were to testify in his death matter, Edward Shamwana, Ronald Penza, Baldwin Nkumbula who was with Castro Chiluba but (Castro)came out of the accident unscathed, Wezi Kaunda, Gibson Chigaga etc. He has said it!
Anonymous, good contributions full of insight. Keep it up. Zed is at crossroads.
And what qualifies to be … in the interest of national security.. as FTJ put it? For all I know holding a different position from that of the ruling party in the eyees of the poers that be qualifies as a threat to national security. What the man is saying has no substance. I still contend that I have established a premise by suppoising that some of the monies who were killed in the interest of national security where not threats at all, but were very good presidential material for Zed.
And what qualifies to be … in the interest of national security.. as FTJ put it? For all I know holding a different position from that of the guys in ruling parties is in the eyes of the powers that be seen as a threat to national security. What the man is saying has no substance. I still contend that I have established a premise by supposing that some of the monies from Zamtrop were used to kill others in the so called ‘interest of national security’. The truth these people were not threats at all, but were very good future presidential material for Zed. And as fate would have it, that is a threat to national security. Enter hired Assassins.
Dr. Chiluba weeps in court
Second Republican President Frederick Chiluba Wednesday wept in court as he testified in a case where he is charged with plunder of national resources.
Dr. Chiluba lamented that members of his family no longer walk with their heads held high because of the theft allegations levelled against him.
He also said he was saddened that he has been subjected to ridicule and derogatory editorial comments in the Post Newspaper.
Dr. Chiluba said he was denied natural justice when parliament endorsed that his immunity be lifted, without being summoned to exculpate himself.
F U you short little thieving bastard zambians have suffered enough because of you :d/
Your Kleptocracy was what zambia’s had to put up with for 8yrs,hope all your assets are frozen :d/