President Banda yesterday paid tribute to former President Kenneth Kaunda for his foresight in having a hydro electric power plant erected at Kariba.This was when he launched the US$400 million Kariba North Bank power extension project in Siavonga which will see electricity generation at the station increased by 360 mega watts.
The plant which is currently being rehabilitated and up-rated from 600 to 700 mega watts generation capacity will be built within the existing Kariba North Bank Power Station.
The new project will involve the installation of an additional two generators with a total capacity of 360 Mega watts which will bring a total installed capacity at Kariba North Bank to 1080 Mega Watts.
Mr Banda said at the launch that government recognised the important role the development of infrastructure played in the quest to create wealth and improve the livelihood of the people.
The plant is being constructed by Sinohydro Corporation of China.
Mr Banda thanked the Chinese government for facilitating the provision of 85 per cent of the cost of the project through the China Export and Import Bank .The Development Bank of Southern Africa is providing the rest of the funds.
He said the completion of some of the projects in the upgrading of smaller power stations would enable the country to meet the millennium development goals (MDGs) and the Vision 2030.
Other projects being implemented are Kafue Gorge Lower hydro power station, Kalungwishi and Itezhi tezhi.
Mr Banda said the Itezhi-Tezhi hydropower project of 120 mega watts would cost Government $200million.
He said the 210-mega watts Kalungushi hydropower project would cost about $400 million.
Mr Banda said his government had been emphasising the need to build more power stations as well as rehabilitate and expand existing plants.
Minister of Energy and Water Development Kenneth Konga said an increase in the electricity tariffs this year to cost effective levels may invite investment in the sector.
He said he expected Zesco to improve its performance and service delivery.
Zesco managing director Rhodnie Sisala said the project was not only important to Zambia but to the Southern African Development Community (SADC) region.
European Investment Bank representative David White said hydro power stations were an asset, not only to the country in which they were built but also to the entire region.
Chinese ambassador to Zambia Li Qiangmin said the launch of the project was a great moment in the history of relations between China and Zambia.
Ok thats good. Appreciate KK indeed.
LEON, please respond to my poll on comment #46.2.12.
Please and thankyou.
Ok pa last natola nambala 1. Now RB its good you appreciating what mankangala did. So what are you going to do yourself for Zambia apart from just accusing people of attacking you? We want tangible developmebt like what KK did. Then Zambians will say this is what RB did. But seeing you, I think you are Zambia’s worst president so far. But you still have a chance to redeem yourself.
I wish he could speak less….
K.K is RB’S Lord and resurrector.. What do you expect.
Zambians appreciating the work of fellow Zambians!! Let us all work hand in hand to develop our beloved country. It is for the good of our Children and grand children.
KK has never given up Zambia although he has been humiliated by many. Keep up the good work. Thanks
If you read about the history of the Kariba dam it was not KKs idea of constructing it as they have put it. Yes he did complete it but did not initiate it. Construction began in 1955 and KK was not in power by then.
You are right. He was throwing stones that time !
The North Bank project was constructed under KK’s watch and completed in 1977. It would have been earlier had Rhodesian troops not used the North Bank for target practice. But here is an interesting fact: The Mulungush HEP was the first HEP in Africa, built in 1925 by the Broken Hill Development Co. to power the Kabwe mine. It was opened by the future Edward VIII!.
1958 is when the Kariba dam completed, KK was still hiding from the colonial masters and around this time he signed a MoU to govern Northern Rhodesia with the teams of Simon Kapwepwe **==
Cool. President RB Banda has been making serious wrong mistakes in the last few days. Adding to this one, another case in point is tha number of years the ANC has been in existence that he mentioned in Chipata a few days ago. I wonder whether some people write speeches for our President or he just speaks using his mind as memory.
Please, GRZ do something about this public mis-statements that our beloved President RB Banda is making before he does them in front of notabl world Presidents are a serious meeting. All the best to him and his Admnistration though.
Maestro Are you aware that HH is on record at Ndola Airport yesterday he is ready to merge with PF? So, where does that leave you, LOL?
Hhehhehhehhe. So what? Haven’t I been seeking for a merger between the UPND and PF with president HH as its leader throughout the last election campaign period? My only problem with PF, my friend, is the dictatorial leadership of the PF unelected self-imposed Leader Undereducate Micheal Chilufya Sata. President HH has been consistent that he is ready to lead the PACT between the UPND and PF and so there is really nothing new in HH’s comments at Ndola Airport.
For your information, president HH is a politician and he is always seeking for ways to get votes from all Zambians. So, his statements was nothing but a reiteration that he is willing to serve all Zambians.
Most of you PF cadres insult president Hakainde Hichilema as being tribal and leading a tribal so-called Tonga tribe political party, but HH has shown that he is willing to work with all Zambians including the PF Leader, not elected president mind you, if the PF Leader Undereducate MC Sata swallows his pride and lets young vibrant people to carry on the mantle. This is evidenced in the 2008 campaign material that president HH was willing to consider the Undereducate PF Leader MC Sata to be a Prime Minister in a UNITY Government of Zambia should he have won the elections. So, this is about time you characters stopped insulting president HH and dropped your tribal nonsense so we work together.
Kariba Dam was constructed by the British. The project had phases of when the hydro power generators would be constructed. Phase 1 covered construction of Dam wall and the hydro power station on the southern side (Southern Rhodesia then). Phase 2 was for construction of power plant on the Northern side ( Northern Rhodesia). However before phase 2 could be implemented Zambia became independent. Kaunda therefore just implemented the British plan by implementing phase 2. Banda should thank the British who constructed Kariba Dam and had laid the plans for them. I however hope the Dam wall structure is stable
Kaya, I was also thinking the same. I remember reading somewhere that the Kariba project was started by the colonial government. I think RB has got his history mixed up here.
Kariba was built btn 1958 to 1963
The kariba down stucture stability is of course stable in terms of resisiting hydraulic forces,But of late there has been some degradation of the concrete.A degradation mechanism called Akali Aggregate reaction (AAR) has been observed in the dam,this mechanism has an expansion effect which induces stresses in the structure,which results into cracking of the structure.It is good that they do a finite element of the strucrture so as to to establish the would be outcome of the structure,I hope this wont cause much damage.
Hope we shall be able to appreciate your work after you leave office Sir
It is good for a president to pay tribute to his patriarchs. It is also a good for him to launch the extension of a hydro-electricity plant. Today, RB I have no words of critique for you, I hope we get to see more of this in your remaining term in office.
KAnshi what is Sisala still doing at ZESCO. Wanvela no load shedding manje
KK was a good man who has not been appreciated for the good that he did. Most people just focus on the negative side of things. We should learn to appreciate our elders, especially our first president. Well done RB.
Kaunda is what prevented Zamba from being democratic and riding the economic waves like Botswana. The Colonial powers that were initiated that project. Though young I know these things. I thank KK for helping establish an independent Zambia. Remember he was fighting for heaven on earth, Zambians please do not forget how blasphemous that was.
How are you Bonse pano pamulabasa.Natifye miposheko then mbwelele kuma book ala nayampesha mwalishiba fye isukulu lyakubukulu bwafya kaili ninshi ulefwaya ushaineko kubaice mu kalasi so kuipompa.Shaleni mucibote mwe bantu bakwa Shikulu Lesa.
Naleka nine Bululu wenu Matworld.
Uli shani chilumendo? Ala ikatisha isukulu nobe ukatungululepo ngawabwela ku mushi. We need young, dynamic leaders to continue KK’s legacy.
Wena Matworld, uli how?
Now electricity tariffs need to be reduced
Are you aware that Zambia’s electricty tariffs are amongs the lowest worldwide? This is also the main reason why there is no FDI (Foreign Direct Investment) in this area, because investors wouldn’t make any profits. What needs to be done is to boost the purchasing power of the consumers by increasing their income.
I’m more concerned about the plight of consumers and not the profits of investors. I agree with increasing consumer power but we should consider increasing export tariffs and not consumer tariffs. Should investors enlarge their pockets at the expense of local consumers?
The problem is that ZESCO has failed to economically utilise its assets. ZESCO can make more money by connecting new clients to the grid. For example the Kenya Power generating company has an installed capacity of 877MW. The number of homes and businesses supplied from this wattage is 600 000. ZESCO has an installed capacity of 1710MW. It supplies a paltry 250 000 customers.
Does think mean going by the current income generated by most Zambians and the overall economy (poor), the issue of low electricity tariffs is, if you look at it critically justified. What do you think NIne Chale?
Why is that the only cry people know is that of reducing prices? Do we have a problem of understanding Economics?
Re. comments below: Mbulawa – very good point; JD – ain’t got a clue what you are trying to say; Jamaco – thank God you are not a policy maker
I meant ‘comments above’
Lolita, the law is very clear on what you do about intended review of electrciity tariffs. Object to the Energy Regulation Board. The Board will then invite you to a hearing where you will defend your points. The Board does not take account of comments made in minibuses, in bars or through the press, but only comments received officially. If there are no comments received after 30 days, the new tariffs may become effective as applied for by Zesco.
You know this thing of “HE” “I” are somehow misleading, it was concerted effect that made that project a success. All zambia involved needs to be recognized.
I really cant see anything that Rupiah Banda has done so far.And he will be the worst of all the 4 presidents that we have had.KK is a good man,but sometimes i dont like his comments on Sata.
Iwe chewe uli shani kanshi? Taulacita reply mail yandi why?
Truth hurts Chewe. KK knows Sata better than you do – PF supporters just have short memories of the character of their preferred leader. RB has hardly been in office for a while, and any benefits we may reap from his presidency will be sown in due course.
Who are you Chewe to judg President RB Banda as “I really cant see anything that Rupiah Banda has done so far.And he will be the worst of all the 4 presidents that we have had.” You claim to be a Christian but your behaviour is COMPLETELTY way out of what God has given us as instruction to follow. You Judge people but you have absolutely no right to do so.
Matthew 7 + KJV Bible:
7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam [is] in thine own eye?
7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
I hope you will desist from this terrible approach to doing things that you have taken. People who say or write different opinions from what you perceive of Mr Undereducate MC Sata like in “KK is a good man,but sometimes i dont like his comments on Sata” use proof for what they claim. However, you are always quick to behave as if you are God by passing something like Final Judgment which is dangerous, my friend.
Ba Hehehehehehehe you know the bible! Impressed
What else did you think? Enjoy yourself.
The kariba Dam was constructed between 1956 and 1960. The dam was officially opened by HM Queen Mother on May 16 1960 with the switching on of the first electricity generators.
Is it true that Sata is in South Africa for medical treatment
Could be true. No wonder no active comments from him over these tribunals and the lot.
Some one feed us with the right data please.
what does Sata being in hospital have to do with the Kariba Dam?
Anonymous,please respond to my poll on comment #46.2.12.
Please and thankyou.
According to intelligence that I received from home on saturday, the PF Leader Undereducate MC Sata is in South Africa for Medical Reviews. This information was passed to me by my very own sister whose husband has a keen interest with PF. She also told me that Mr Chibombamilimo who was expelled from the MMD a few days ago has joined PF lead by the Undereducate.
Anyhow, PF spokesman Mr Given Lubinda is quoted as having denied that the Undereducate is in South Africa for mediacl treatment.
However, there is nothing wrong in the Undereducate going for reviews in South Africa follwing his heart attack last year. I thus wish the Undereducate and the PF all the best in this time of speculation.
Thanks the important information Maestro
Maestro
What is your level of education? I mean real education not academic. Have you ever read the Bible before? Are you educated in the Bible and the things of God? What does the bible say about honoring parents, and the elderly? Is is right for you to speak to your Father as an ‘Undereducate’ if at all he was not as educated as you are – which in most cases for Africans is the case. Do you realise that Mr Michael Sata who you have chosen to revile as an ‘Undereducate’ plays the role of your ‘father’ in a community and therefore deserves respect from you as a believer?
My friend, I have enough education on all fronts and I am continuously learning more. On “Is is right for you to speak to your Father as an ‘Undereducate’ if at all he was not as educated as you are – which in most cases for Africans is the case. Do you realise that Mr Michael Sata who you have chosen to revile as an ‘Undereducate’ plays the role of your ‘father’ in a community and therefore deserves respect from you as a believer?” Firstly, please desist from using the word “you Father” referring to Mr Undereducate or anyone else supposedly to me except the good Lord God. I will educate you on the word father using the Holy Scriptures below so that you can appreciate my…
KJV Bible:
Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Matthew 23: 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Dueteronomy 5:16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
This Holy Scriptural texts indicate that I have to honour (respect or reward also) my parents, earthly parents in truth. I do this everyday.
The Undereducate Mr MC Sata is truthfully an undereducate as government records show that he only reached Standard 4 [VERY CORRECT than I wrote somewhere I can recall properly now] which is equivalent to Grade 6 in our current Zambian education system. There is nothing wrong with highlighting this very fact. This is why you find people like the University of Zambia registerer Dr A.N. Ng’andu writing their names as:
Mr (showing male-ness) A.N. Ng’andu, BSc, MSc/MEng, PhD.
This creates a distinction is what level of education one has reached. I would have put up my qualification in this manner, but I do not wnat to scare anyone. So, I am looking for a day when Mr MC Sata will write such.
Currently, the most correct way people must address themselves in Zambia in an official way is:
Mr Michael Chilufya Sata, Standard 4/Grade 6.
Mrs Maureen Mwanawasa, LLB/whatever, MBA?, Honourary Doctor.
Mr President RB Banda, MA (Lundi/Whatever university).
Dr T. Lambati, BSc, MSc, M.D. (if this is correct).
This will help us all to appreciate the level of education and respect that each individual holders. Currently, the use of the term Doctor/Dr has been mis-used in Zambia such that I no longer hope to use it but use Ph.D. or DSc after my man if it will be necessarily. I hope this clears your confusion. To this end, I thus calim that I respect all Zambians in the capacities.
Lastly, here is my standpoint as a Seventh Day Adventist practising Christian:
Ephesians 4 + King James version Holy Bible:
4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.
I thus have only on “Father”, God the Creator and NEVER a Mr Undereducate Michael Chilufya Sata.
Mr Undereducate MC Sata is respected by me as an ederly man who RIGHTLY only went up to Standard 4/Grade 6 in formal education. May you be blessed and find wisdom in the wise words I have outlined above and elsewhere on this LT blog.
you are a ONE LARGE HYPOCRIT.. AND VERY STURBON…iwe naku chrch you are a problem
Supergal, Thanks for your delusion. I am glad that this “you are a ONE LARGE HYPOCRIT.. AND VERY STURBON…iwe naku chrch you are a problem” is your opinion which sadly does not even have backup proof or Scripture to support it. Continue in your confusion as written in:
2 Thessalonians 2 + KJV Bible
2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
You can however CHANGE for the better.
You are embarrsment to your illiterate self. Wisdom is not accumulating titles.
Maetro! i wonder the kind of a person you are who does not have respect for the elders and use the bible for your own selfish interests. I have read you statements and quots from the bible that you have put across in support of your insults against Mr Sata. Please stop misusing the bible. The one who referred Mr Sata to your father did not mean a “biological father”. Ulekwata umucinshi. Even if you are learned, there are a lot of people who have a lot of papers than you have acquired. I guess this is the beginning orf your fall in life. It always starts by boasting. Whatever you do or have if you continue with this attitude soon or later you will be grounded.
Kent. I respect your opinion but I will always stand by the truth. Have a nice day.
Maestro I thave nothing else to say to you. Your experience will be based on the law that you pursue.
Thanks and keep well, Herbalist.
If RB can continue to be this sober and do more of what he’s done regarding the power project, i think he can make an impact. Ba RB, please that meeting you had at state house with cadres was an embarasement to say the least. Hold press conferences where you can shaffle and fire ministers and not with cadres. And if you can be in the country for now and look at developmental projects. Travelling will not bring food to the poor Zambian, not even embaransing each other within the MMD circles. I believe there ur better channels of sorting out differences
RB is working now
Mr Mbulawa, just a clarification and some basic facts so that other bloggers are not misled for lack of info.
1. It is Kenya Power and Lighting Company (KPLC); KenGen is a separate entity altogether;
2. The geographical size and population density of a country have to be taken into account when you consider electrification rates and the cost of connecting customers;
3. ZESCO has 350,000 customers and not 250,000;
4. Half of ZESCO’s generation goes to a few large (mainly mining companies);
5. Kenya and Zambia have their own peculiar challengesand opportunities;
Let’s compare apples with apples and ask where you do not know.
well, i think the comparisons are ok, its apple to apple indeed. The best for u is to ask mbulawa which bussiness companies kenya power is supplying to, apart from ordinary customers, coz he’s mentioned two things; business houses and ordinary customers. yu’ve mentioned the same, mine houses and ordinary customers. this is not apple and mango
The Faithful One, I wish I had the space and time to list all the businesses that are supplied with electricity in Kenya. Suffice it to say that it is the businesses that generate $32bn of Kenya’s GDP.
Adviser please read carefully what I have written. Nowhere in my contribution have I claimed that Kenya Electricity Generating Company KENGEN is the same as the Kenya Power and Lighting Company. Please read again. I wrote in English. KENGEN is the generating company whose generation capacity is 877MW. It is this same wattage that is distributed to 600 000 customers in Kenya. The mines my dear only consume 540MW . The mines just consume slightly over a third of Zambia’s total generation capacity. It is very weird of you to claim that it is costly to connect Zambians to the grid. No my dear it is just a question of priorities.
Adviser, when your generators were at full capacity the priority for your govt and Zesco was to invest in international interconnectors inorder to export electricity and earn ‘foreign exchange’. Currently ZESCO has a pending project with Tanzania and Kenya. The idea is to build another interconnector between these countries. The aim is to export Zambian power to East Africa once Zambia’s power rehabilitation projects are done. The total cost of this interconnector project is $660m. And I bet if Zambia were to use $220m to connect people in Lusaka and on the CB we wouldnt have people selling Malasha in our towns and cities which is leading to deforestation.
Very good development, and thanks to the Chinese for their investment. Now ZESCO should reduce their rates, and we should be seeing less power outages. This recession provides Zambia with an excellent opportunity to invest all of its reserves in diversifying out economy and building infrastructure, which in turn will create jobs and stimulate our economy. When the global economy starts picking up again, at least we will be able to accommodate economic expansion and external investment, which should attract even more investors into the country. Some long-term planning is required on the part of government and other stakeholders.
6.1 Chitapankwa: Give credit where it is due. As a politician RB is generally correct with his facts, and at the launch the colonialists were duly recognised for building the Kariba Dam. You may wish to know that financiers did not think that Zambia needed its own power plant at that time. But the persistence and foresight of KK and his team brought about both Kafue Gorge and Kariba North Bank. Think where Zambia would be now without these two power power stations. We must acknowlledge that large projects such as these cannot be undertaken without the guidance, facilitation, goodwill and support of government. RB and his govt are on the right track. What is the matter with us Zambians?
I agree. Always quick to criticise without giving credit where it’s due. That’s how we only ended up appreciating Mwanawasa’s efforts when he was gone, and I am ashamed to admit that I was one of his fiercest critics until late into his presidency. I’ve come to realise that our leaders would probably work harder if we spent more time supporting than disparaging them, whether we like them or not. Acknowledging their efforts and achievements may in turn encourage them to do even better. Constructive criticism is of course important, but most of the criticism aimed at government is simply malicious, at many times unsubstantiated, and just a natural reaction to anything government does.
19.1 faithful one: Apart from the large mines (which Kenya does not have) all other customer categories for the 2 companies are the same in terms of mix. The point about the mines consuming half the power of ZESCO is to point out the statistical distortions to be wary about, and that hypothetically, if this power was apportioned to individual smaller customers, then zesco would have many more customers than it has now. But of course you are aware that Zambia’s power stations were constructed primarily to supply the mines and the majority of us are inadvertent beneficiaries?
Impressive stuff President RB Banda. On “The new project will involve the installation of an additional two generators with a total capacity of 360 Mega watts which will bring a total installed capacity at Kariba North Bank to 1080 Mega Watts”, the last time I was at Kariba North bank Power Plant in the underground tunnels only 1 out of 4 generators was operational if I remember correctly. The staff told me that the rest were on rehabilitation which I now understand has been successful though I doubt it. Whatever the case, it is good that the generators will be increased to 6. Indeed Zambia needs more power/energy to fuel the mines as well as export to SADC countries with little capacity.
My understanding is that the first phase of the rehabilitation project has been finished. The existing 4 generators had their capacity boosted from 150Mw to 180Mw each. Thus the Kariba power station has had its generation capacity increased from 600Mw to 720Mw. The second phase involves the installation of two more generators with a capacity of 180Mw each. This is the $400m project the President was inaugrating. Thus Kariba will finally have a generation capacity of 1080Mw. But expect to see increaments in tarriffs since this is what the World Bank has insisted on if Zambia is to boost power supply and be able to pay for these power projects
Thanks. Someone has given a testimony that 3 generators are actually working while the 4th one was just switched off for some reason. This is good news for our economy which needs more power to propel the needs on the market. Later.
LET US TAKE A BREAK FROM OUR ATTACKS THOUGH VERBAL ON THOSE IN POWER NOT DOING ANYTHING. GO TO YOU TUBE AND ENTER THIS : Abby: a film by CAMFED (Campaign for Female Education) So as we can see what we are to fight for. For this one and others are great stories.
Morgan Freeman is with this project. 20 dollar donations would help and this time it gets to the people.
Maestro if Sata was to die i believe you would be the happiest person on this site.And whatever good comment you can give on him no one can believe you. Your hatred for the man is really bad.Did Sata choose to be sick?you are even making funny of that.You really have to change for the better.I dont want to use bad language on you no.Its not right to do that.But maestro Jesus was never close to what you are.
My friend Chewe, I respect your opinion. I however ask you to stop behaving as if you are God by writing useless and terribly understood “But maestro Jesus was never close to what you are.” On “Maestro if Sata was to die i believe you would be the happiest person on this site”, I am happy that this is simply your BELIEF as you rightly put it nothing more or less.
As for me, I love the Standard 6 school drop out Undereducate PF Leader Michael Chilufya Sata very much and this is why I need him to write Grade 7 exams this year so that he can begin a campaign of becoming educated – it is NEVER too late. If he ever passes the Grade 7 exams, he can then attempt Grade 9 and later Grade 12…
Ingombe Illede you are a loser
Maestro that is my advice to you. We are all one wether tonga or bemba.I cant be attacking HH all the time for no proper reason.And when he is sick i wouldnt be happy,because HH or RB are my fellow human beings and we are all Zambians despite political affiliation.Your behaviour Maestro is very dangerous.Hate him or love him,as for me i will love every Zambian.Wether HH,RB or Sata.I cant celebrate when RB is sick.Am very suprised with your altitude.
Chewe, you seem tyo be suffering from memory loss. You are on record for insulting me and president HH just because we are Tonga people by our tribe. Now today you think you can advise me anything useful with your past record and behaviour.
If you think otherwise, just quote for me my exact words having hate or an insult on the Undereducate Michael Chilufya Sata or any other Zambian including your slef. I will be happy to respond to such a quote if you will ever find any. As for you, your insults are just too many to quote that it is unnecessary to provide them here as alomst any LT blogger knows them. All the best as you learn from me how to behave in a REAL christian way.
Guys did you read the post news paper? Our brothers and sisters from different institutions went to State House and “RB Addressing scores of students from the University of Zambia (UNZA), Evelyn Hone College, National Institute of Public Administration (NIPA) and Chainama Hills Training College who demonstrated against what they termed as unfair newspaper reports against government leadership, President Banda said The Post would one day pay the price.”
and this what they were promised or given by the State House,”After the address, some students almost lost their tempers following delays in the release of money they were promised.
Some students started shouting that they wanted fat envelopes because they had done a good job for the President.
State House police kept vigil to ensure that there was peace during the gathering.
Later, some MMD officials and a State House aide quickly came out and told the students to get into their busses where they would be given their money.
“How much are you giving us because we were promised K300,000 each,” asked a student as the State House aide said, “We don’t disclose this. Just get…
money is there.”
State House sources said students were promised K300,000 each, while bus drivers were to be given K500,000 per bus.
More than ten busses were booked to ferry students from their respective institutions to State House.” So Guys what do you say about this? Please ba RB organize your life.
My friend, Chile Man, you input is nothing new. Such behaviour by UNZA students I believe started during the Presidency of Mr FTJ Chiluba (Hon. Doc., Malawi). Students used to match to State House for any of their concerns and when they got there food and money had to be organised especially for a few who led the matches.
I am releasing this inforamtion as a former UNZA student, who by God’s grace never participated in such bad acts of obtaining money that you do not deserve – as eevidenced by the jailing of Mrs Regina Chiluba.While I do not agree with the POST’s way of writing their editorials and articles for their personal business interests, I know they release some truth normally.
28 Chile man, is the post a Bible? I note that they have interests too just like the opposite camp, and they can use their media power for propaganda to advance their cause which others say is an attempt to defend criminal activities. Whether this cause is wrong or right I have no comment sir. Time will tell but for now and for balanced analysis I listen to both sides of the story.
good point. the post is just a business like any other run by human beings
23 Maestro, when we visited kariba north bank power station for the commissioning last friday, 3 out of 4 generators were running. We were told that rehabilitation work on the 3 had been completed successfully. The 4th generator had just been stopped to complete the work, and that at kafue gorge they were in the process of testing the last two generators which will be back in service within March 2009….. i thought this was good progress
Thank you very much, Jury. I am glad you took your time to respond to my concerns and experience. This is the only way Zambia will develop if we continue enlightenning each other based on facts and not speculation. Have a blessed day as I wish that the successful rehabiliatation will yiel positive results.
Its a good move ba RB but inkongole shafulisha pa ZED mukatusha mubuchushi fwebana banono
Guys uli jojo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nabwela not ifyansele. This time lets show some ma……….????????? Mwaishiba te?? Ifintu fyonse ni time. Bigup ba MOZE mudala iyi yena naulasa.
“President Banda yesterday paid tribute to former President Kenneth Kaunda for his foresight in having a hydro electric power plant erected at Kariba.”
Let’s put things in their correct historical perspective. Lake Kariba was built c.1957/8. Kaunda was going in and out of jail as a freedom fighter then. He was not part of the decision to build a hydro-power station. Brother Lupiya Banda, don’t mislead people in your undue and misplaced praise of Super Ken.
But Indeni and many other infrastructure works were built under his watch. What has been built under neoliberal rule (1991 to today)? Nothing, because once you leave things to the markets, and no one shows up, nothing is going to happen. The country has missed out on infrastructure development because of the mantra that ‘the markets will provide’. That is why there is no economic policy. Zambia has been living at the mercy of a philosophy, that intended to create a one world global economy run by multinational corporations – neoliberalism, and ‘somehow’, this was supposed to lead to development. Attracting foreign investors instead of nurturing our own. Leaving infrastructure to the…
Leaving infrastructure to the miners. That is why the country still depends on UNIP era INDENI, and has no other refineries, or even a green energy policy. This is also the warning I want to give to the PF and UPND, because policy wise, they too seem to have been mesmerized by neoliberlism and it’s three horsemen of the economic apocalypse: free markets, privatisation and deregulation. We have seen what that has brought, and we need a new economic philosophy. Freemarketeers talk about Malaysia, Korea, and Japan as examples of ‘free trade’, ignoring the massive state involvement that helped their economies get off the ground. We need a government that creates policies that ensure that…
Maestro Hhehhehhehhe walikwata ingulu. takwaba ukupata umuntu so. elo uli hypocrit. uluke ukulemba ichebo cakwa lesa as you have to repent and show change. you are full of hate.yet pa friday at sabbath yaamba after sabath back to your hatefull mouth and heart. the bible tells us that with the abundance of you heart your mouth speaks in this case you write it,take time and use your human part of you heart to find peace with yourself so you can find peace in your heart for people you hate like SATA. i hope teiwe leader ku church as this is sure bad seed to have in leadership.kwena you are a hypocrit. you can actually kill just by your words, walibipa umutima.napapa, you make my heart bleed.
Ha ha ha ha ha!! How are you my sister?Are you ready to for this pantu I can assure you talwapwe ulu mwayamba.
Have a great day.
Matworld.
Matworld, I always expect you to behave like a proper Christian, by not entertaining insults but to my dismay you have always disappointed me even when I have given you scriptures to understand things. However, I have a hope that one day you will change for the better.
Let those who claim to be Christians show by behaviour and using holy Scriptural backing of their faith.
Have a blessed day and keep well.
Talwapwe ka. Chachine !
Thank you for your OPINION. For your information I am a leader at Church, Ordained to carry out the functions of keeping the church in good shape and form.
Your insults do not move me an inch and I hope you will begin understanding the actual meaning of the Holy Scriptures. I will continue loving you and all other human beings including the Undereducate Mr Michael Chilufya Sata to the best of my ability by using TRUTH. So, instead of showing ignorance on any matters seek for wisdom from God.
Matthew 22 + KJV Bible:
22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. Have a blessed day my fellow Zambian or World Citizen.
How are you Maestro,Thank you for the way you have responded to my comment above,I equally expect you to behave like a Christain which Iam sure you do,but you also dissapoint me,the Bible tells us that in Ramans if what we do causes our friends to sin then we have to stop doing that,Iam sure you have read that scripture,the problem with you is even when you know that each time you talk about Sata some pipo get upset you still continue doing it.Where is Christianity here.It seems you enjoy it coz each time you are attacked you even stop commenting on the topic at hand and start responding to them that is when you start even quoting scriptures.Cont’D
Ingombe Illede, you are such a pathetic tribalist and an embarrsment not only to the church but also to us your fellow tongas. dont even relate to the bible when you are just barking crap !
Why dont you start with scriptures before calling Sata uneducated or before talking about Bembas,iam sure if you tried that no one will attact you.In the same book of Romans we are told that God’s Name is blasphemed coz of our behaviour who claim to be Christians.Do you know why? Its because of the way we relate with pipo.How can anyone read those spcriputures you always put on the site when they first see the way you attack Sata.You said I do entertain Insults,my big bro I cant do that If you read Supergal’s comment there is no insults there she is just expressing how she feels about your comments.Dont forget that not everyone likes your attacks on Sata.
Have a great day big man.
I am fine by God’s grace and thanks for your “…I equally expect you to behave like a Christain which Iam sure you do,but you also dissapoint me,the Bible tells us that in Ramans if what we do causes our friends to sin then we have to stop doing that,Iam sure you have read that scripture,….” Can you please quote for me the scripture you are referring to in he above. On “… the problem with you is even when you know that each time you talk about Sata some pipo get upset you still continue doing it.Where is Christianity here.” Yes that could be the problem in your eyes, but it is not my problem. I am free to write what I believe is necessary to do so for I am not here to please…
I am not here to please anoyone, but to write my opinion based on the amount of truth and knowledge I have at hand. On your “It seems you enjoy it coz each time you are attacked you even stop commenting on the topic at hand and start responding to them that is when you start even quoting scriptures”, I respond to accusations to give a clear insight of my standpoint. Otherwise, why MUST I remain mute when I am accused or insulted. Even Jesus Christ, whom I follow faithfully to my abilities responded:
John 18 + KJV Bible:
18:23 Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me?
My friedn this is what I do and not anything else.
On “Why dont you start with scriptures before calling Sata uneducated or before talking about Bembas,iam sure if you tried that no one will attact you”, I write what I deem fit based on the situation at hand not what you or others want to read from me. This is why I ask you to quote in providing proof of any of your claims as opposed to the specualtion which you like giving. Like I mentioned above, I am not here to please anyone. I hope this is CLEAR to you. Take the way I quote your writings as an example to help me really see what you claim instead of just specualating issues thereby causing others who are hostile to reading to just insult following your writing that I write bad on…
On “In the same book of Romans we are told that God’s Name is blasphemed coz of our behaviour who claim to be Christians.Do you know why? Its because of the way we relate with pipo.How can anyone read those spcriputures you always put on the site when they first see the way you attack Sata.” Please provide a proof by quoting where I attacked the Standard 4 or Grade 6 school drop out Undereducate Mr Michael Chilufya Sata.
Such will be more helpful than your speculative claims baba. i will keep looking out for such to respond carefully and favourably.
On “You said I do entertain Insults,my big bro I cant do that If you read Supergal’s comment there is no insults there she is just expressing how she feels about your comments.Dont forget that not everyone likes your attacks on Sata.
Have a great day big man.” Thanks for wishing me a great day.
However, what is this “Maestro Hhehhehhehhe walikwata ingulu. takwaba ukupata umuntu so. elo uli hypocrit.” by Supergal? An INSULT or not? Please provide just one attack on Sata that I have done with a quote and I will respond carefully and favourably! If you can’t please repent from causing specualtion or speculating issues you can nto back up. Lastly, I am not here to please anyone.
Walipena chee colour !
Forget about Ingombe Ilede (Maestro). He is a big hypocrite and tribalists
Greetings and thanks for your opinion “Ingombe Illede, you are such a pathetic tribalist and an embarrsment not only to the church but also to us your fellow tongas. dont even relate to the bible when you are just barking crap !” Later baba when you write sensible stuff.
I will continue harrassing you until you denounce your tribal stance and kneel down and ask God to forgive you sins
I am always asking God to forgive me of all my sins and so thanks for the reminder. Your tribal nonsense ends here for now as i will not waste any more of my precious time on it. We are now in the 21st Century and not 1964. We use proof for our calims and not mere speculation. Thiose of you who are behind will have to remain or catch up. Later.
Go rot in hell you hypocrite
We need a government that ensures that money made in Zambia, is spent in Zambia, and money spent in Zambia, is spent on Zambian enterprises and products. It is called re-investment, and it is what made Warren Buffett rich. Today, we allow even miners to expatriate all their profits, pay no taxes, and spend their costs on fuel which has to be imported (meaning the money is exported). We can use green energy produced in Zambia, that would reduce money lost on buying Saudi oil. If MFEZ companies only were allowed to use Zambian suppliers, these zones would actually have a multiplier effect on the economy. The government must nurture Zambian startups, and…
The goverment must nurture Zambian startups, and foreign companies must train up Zambian suppliers. Knowledge transfer, reinvestment of profits and costs. We could give a highest mark to companies that actually develop the economy because they are here for the long term, instead of for short term profits from paying no taxes. If a foreign company trains it’s suppliers, spends all it’s costs on Zambian products, pays it’s workers a mininum wage or higher, and reinvests it’s profits in Zambia, that should be rewarded. But just coming here to make use of not being taxed should be an outrage. There has been no demands placed on FDI, instead, we were just…
You know, MFEZ is open to both local and foreign investors. Even you can take part.
What I can assure you is if a foreign owned company is going to spend a lot of time training suppliers when they can get their supplies from already trained firms, believe me they will always go for the latter and if govt twists their arms, they’ll pack their kantundu and bail.
It should not be up to the foreign owned companies. It should be an effort between the locals and govt. If you know you can supply a mine with equipment cheaper than what they are getting elsewhere, they foreign owned mine will have no excuse to not go with you. Let us innovate and not expect to be spoon fed.
” What I can assure you is if a foreign owned company is going to spend a lot of time training suppliers when they can get their supplies from already trained firms, believe me they will always go for the latter and if govt twists their arms, they’ll pack their kantundu and bail. ”
Then good riddance. This is what I mean with picking only foreign companies that are in it for the long haul, not tax breaks. If the government can identify foreign firms that want to stay in Zambia and grow with the economy and reinvest, those are the firms we should look at. We should not leave it up to market forces and leave them to decide how they are going to benefit from Zambia’s resources.
Under the MMD, we were just playing ‘race to the bottom’ with other low wage countries. There is no vision for Zambia in that – for a one world global economy, where corporate profits are the highest good, yes – but no vision for Zambia. What we need is a nationalist government. I would like to propose a real economic development strategy – I hope everyone else here adds their ideas to it. 1) MFEZ zones must be true economic growth centers, not simply places where FDI can spend as little as possible in costs. Reinvestment, linkages to local SMEs, high wages for workers, a long term economic future for FDI’s involvement in Zambia which involves reinvestment of profits.
MFEZ is a true economic growth center. Anyone can take part both local and foreign. The reason MFEZ is located in the copperbelt is because that’s where the raw materials are situated. The goal of MFEZ is to create a manufacturing base with an export market. The plan is to have MFEZ companies manufacture home appliances and the like as well as agro-pocessing for an export market. Zambia does not have the population to support manufacturing industries hence the dependence on copper.
” Zambia does not have the population to support manufacturing industries hence the dependence on copper. ” I don’t understand – how do you mean Zambia does not have the population? We have urban centers like the copper belt. We have UNZA. There is a huge demand for cheap cars, capital goods (which are way to expensive), etc. And we can create an even greater demand for farm machinery by getting these 100 ha farms started – small tractors, combine harvesters, etc. If you have these small 4 farm hubs (400 hectares or 4km2), you can have farmers share mechanized equipment, spreading the cost of buying and maintenance over 4 farms, and with a toolshop, you create more specialized jobs.
MRK,
What you have said is good in theory but if you look at a population of 11.5 million people, that is enough to support monopolies and not competitive firms in a competitive economy. Companies d have a break even point and if they are not selling enough to cover their profits, they will close down and then you can attack them about how they don’t care about the people,
The fact is we need an export market. Malawi, Tanzania, Kenya and South Africa have got good agriculture industries. The same tractor manufacturing industries can make huge profits if they produced enough to cover local demand and export demand from the mentioned countries.
M-mobile has realized this which is why they first started with an assembly plant. They say they plan to turn the assembly plant into a manufacturing plant that will produce mobile phones for both local and export demand. Without the export demand, I doubt M-mobile will make that much of a profit. Maybe little profits here and there.
2) Tax the mines to the max, and reinvest the money in other economic sectors such as agriculture, infrastructure and manufacturing. Mines are here not for foreing companies to make huge profits from, but so billions of dollars can be reinvested in the Zambian economy. 3) Only 20% of all arable land in Zambia is under cultivation. Let’s get as much land, money, education and services into the hands of indigenous farmers and professionalize medium scale (100ha per farm) farming. That will create hundreds of thousands of good paying jobs. The price per tonne for maize is over $200 – let’s produce so much that we bring that down to $150/tonne or less.
The reason why 20% of arable land is under cultivation is because of bad infrastructure and the price controls that urban dwellers demand. We need to let the price fluctuate a little.
What you can do is start a company that will act as a middle man. Contract farmers to grow maize for you of which you will buy all their produce and sell to the market (both local and foreign) at a profit. An example would be you would contract a farmer to grow 100 bags of maize. You would then buy the maize from the farmer and sell to lets say Chibamba breweries (a fictional firm) that makes opaque beer. It is a win-win situation because you keep the farmer in business and you keep people employed.
Free Market Capitalist, I would like to add that any foreign business can just come and set up in an MFEZ, without paying taxes or having to reinvest profits. That is what I mean – I know there are MFEZs, but there is no required linkage to the local economy. Let’s be extremely selective about which foreign business sets up in an MFEZ, and be selective by having a vision for the development of Zambia. There are no greater restriction on FDI in the MFEZ, than were put on mining companies in the Development Agreements. And we know the results – when the music stops playing, we’re left with nothing to show for it.
It is true that any foreign company can set up a business on MFEZ but there is a $500,000 minimum to set up a business on MFEZ and companies who’s goal is manufacturing and agro-processing get first preference.
And you can also drink the chibuku. These are wise plans man. Implementation is what is killing us
Although I am not a freemarketeer, I am no fan of price controls. What we should be doing, is reduce prices by increase production every time. We should be getting more land under cultivation – whatever the problem is, poor infrastructure, poor legislation, lack of training or mechanisation – whatever the problem is, that is what we should be tackling. Contract farming is one way, but why would it not be in cost only basis and done by the government? And why not have all agricultural goods transported at a cost only basis? Or improve price discovery by putting all farmers on an electronic system (like EBAY) so they can sell for the highest price. We could be eliminating the middle man.
MRK
It is just the distribution pattern I am talking about. People complain about how the govt is screwing up on maize when people have the power to do something. The govt has got the FRA but even it has its limits. You can start your own firm that will create a distribution pattern. Ebay is a distribution pattern. It connects the seller to the buyer. Farmers usually complain about access to market. You can start your own company creating this access hence the middle man.
People will only study agriculture if they see the profits in it. By you making this distribution pattern and enabling farmers make profits, you’ll see more farmers coming into the industry.
You cannot force people to do what they dont want.
I am a big fan of the free market because there are ways you can solve problems. You dont always have to rely on the state. You can figure out ways to solve problems.
With the same firm, you can also introduce a new product on the market (cassava) so that if people find maize meal to be too expensive, they can switch to cassava meal. This will also bring about some price stability.
We can create small farm unites of 100 ha (1km2) of a single family farm. On a 100ha farm, you can easily make $10,000 per farm and spend $10,000 in cost. WIth 5 people per family, you can ajoin 4 farms at a single point and have a small community of 20 people (or more). Add farm workers (jobs for locals) and that can easily become 100 people. Then, you have a concentration of people with money to spend, you can attract professionals – a doctor, a teacher, etc., creating more rural jobs. You could stop or even reverse urbanisation that way, reducing pressure on cities. These farms can also store and use water, preventing flooding, and sequester carbon (extra income).
3) Government restructuring. We need decentralization of both budgets and powers. Let’s shift power to local government, away from central government. Give local government four basic tasks: healthcare, education, policing, amenities and administration. Give local councillers powers that now need approval from the ministry, and speed up the time it takes to set up a business and reduce the number of licenses. If half of the national revenues ($550 million in 2004) were spent at the local council level, it would boost the economy, take regionalism out of national politics, reduce corruption and inefficiency at the ministerial level, and give people a say on how taxes are spent.
Ma mistake muli reply to maestro.
LT is scared of posting a thread on Tsvangirai ?
sometimes people get confused and mis translate the scripture to suit them. no bushilu fye bamo.nibembuka napapata.
leka mbelenge abena MRK na capital fimo fimo they more interesting not bakapepesha aba kana to regard elders as parent figure all because they are not biological parents…
Impressive baba and keep realising your mistakes. All the best and later.
Maestro if you read the Bible correctly you must be aware of verses like…the race is not for the swift…Gods lifting of the simple in bthe world to confound the wise and so on.One of the richest people on planet earth Bill Gates is a school drop out for own info.
Tell him !
I understand, but do not cheat people about Bill Gates as the man was a Havard University in the USA. He did not fail, but went for Business. Let us learn to understand that all information is now easy to find on the Internet before we provide data that shows ignorance on our part. have a blessed day.
Fo seke !
Maestro Hhehhehhehhe, it’s seems you enjoy tribalism.
This is internet era, wake up, don’t be primitive. I think you are one of those guys who are promoting racism.
I think he has a big complex issue.The only way he feels important is by bringing another person down.The sooner he deals with it the better.
Provide proof or ever keep in your delusion baba.
The guy is still in the stone-age era. Thats why I call him ‘Ingombe Illede’
I have given up on Maestro just like I gave up on HH simply because of one thing, TRIBALISM. Maestro has got a hatred for Bembas. It is evident in some of his comments here and on the watchdog.
He is a let down. LT should strip him of his 2008 award because there is nothing he says that does not relate to tribalism. He is a pathetic maggot
Hhehhehhehhe. Greetings baba. Please provide evidence on your ” Maestro has got a hatred for Bembas. It is evident in some of his comments here and on the watchdog.” If you can’t just keep to your tribalism and stop trying to cheat people who read and understand issues and simple English Language correctly. Have a blessed day.
Maestro says,”On “The said Ms. Mudiwe [Mudiwe] alias Maureen Chileshe had earlier obtained both the green national registration card and the passport by false representation”, it is impressive to note that she particularly choose to use a fake Bemba Tribe surname name.
My surprise is that most Bemba Tribe people are known to be crooks in Zimbabwe and South Africa, but she went ahead and picked a Bemba surname which was sooner or later going to be suspicious as it has proved right now.”[END QUOTE]
comment #66, february 18, 2009 at 7:29 pm, Zimbabwean National arrested with newly introduced Zambian passport, Lusaka Times
Maestro, there is actually no need for me to provide proof. Everyone knows that whenever you make a comment concerning tribe, you target Bembas.
Stereotyping and prejudice are prerequisites to racism and tribalism. If had to make a statement like “Bembas talk too much”, this is tribalism.
If you cannot see that you are a tribalist and that most of your comments directed at bembas are tribalist comments, then I seriously feel sorry for you.
So what is wrong with your quoted statement, I have failed to find any useful thing to react to? Is it wrong or true. I stand by my writings because I got such an impression from the people I mignled with in South Africa and so I have every right to make you aware of what I have experienced. Anything perceived to be bad about any Bemba Zambians impinges on me a Tonga Zambian because our Documents like PASSPORT or NRC do not indicate our tribes, but simply show that we are all Zambians. So, if a Bemba Zambian is perceived as a thif in South Africa and people know that I am a Zambian, then my position in that place is threatened as I can be attacked. Do you see sense in my displeasure there?
Maestro says, “When you are dull you are just dull baba. I wrote clearly about Bemba Speaking Kaponyas and now you come and show ignorance and failure to understand the English Language. The truth will always override deception and so, stop this blind badly done defence of Bembas as Bemba Speaking Kaponyas and Street-kids are using the Bemba Language even though all of them might not be Bemba by Tribe.”[END QUOTE]
comment #6.2.3, Febraury 25, 2009 at 9:21pm, Street kids – A major problem in Southern Province, Lusaka Times.
On your “If you cannot see that you are a tribalist and that most of your comments directed at bembas are tribalist comments, then I seriously feel sorry for you”, I really like it as it appears to be an honest point. All I need to see is that we all Zambians are respected at home and abroad. There is no need for the irresponsibility of any Bemba Zambian to cause my safety as a Zambian or anyone other Bemba Zambian who is not a thief to be insecure in another country.
This is why my comments are meant to make you who may be Bembas to behave responsibly so that all Zambians can enjoy a good image inside and outside our great nationa; borders. If you can’t appreaciate truth, sorry baba.
Maestro you are lying. It is very rare that a South African will make a distinction as to whether you are bemba, tonga and the like. They don’t see that, all they see is ZAMBIAN.
Your comment is very ignorant as it is an attack on a certain group of people based on unverifiable data.
If what you say is based on facts then answer me this, was Dr James Watson stating facts when he said Africa is not developing because Blacks are genetically less intelligent than whites based on IQ data?
What is wrong with my comment you quoted above as “comment #6.2.3, Febraury 25, 2009 at 9:21pm, Street kids – A major problem in Southern Province, Lusaka Times.” Is it trueor not true that Bemba Kaponyas use Bamba Language? Please, give me you actual concerns on my writings! For now I find it time wasting to evening respond for there is nothing really wrong with the TRUTH.
Maestro,
you stand by what you say because you don’t want to admit you are wrong. Matworld is in South Africa right now….I wonder, has he ever come across this misconception because it would back up your statement if someone who is currently in South Africa can bear witness to your experience.
On Dr Watsons, thats is pure wrong data. On your “Maestro you are lying. It is very rare that a South African will make a distinction as to whether you are bemba, tonga and the like. They don’t see that, all they see is ZAMBIAN.
Your comment is very ignorant as it is an attack on a certain group of people based on unverifiable data.” are you implying that I was dreaming when are South African was asking me whether I was a Bemba person while I was studying at UCT? How do you judge that I am lying when I you were not there? Following my comments about the perception of Bembas in South Africa, I asked you to do your independent research on it and find your own data by asking SAs and Zim.
My concern?? Maestro do you read what you write?? honestly do you.
Maestro says,”stop this blind badly done defence of Bembas “[end quote].
Maestro says, “This is why my comments are meant to make you who may be Bembas to behave responsibly so that all Zambians can enjoy a good image inside and outside our great nationa; borders[end quote]
Right there you are making the assumption that only Bembas commit crimes. I cant believe this, am I the only only one that is seeing these comments??
My friend, how can I admit that I am wrong on something I witnessed by my own self following your funny terrible judgment “Maestro,
you stand by what you say because you don’t want to admit you are wrong. Matworld is in South Africa right now….I wonder, has he ever come across this misconception because it would back up your statement if someone who is currently in South Africa can bear witness to your experience.”
Ask Matworld to give you his experience. Matworld knows that I know UKZN where he claims to be studying – for I gave him names of good Bemba people like Ededias Musonda to go and find for friendship. Can you bring in credible arguments than speculating as it is time…
Maestro
I can do my independent research right here on this blog. There are many Zambians who are currently in South Africa who blog on this blog and so let us ask them.
Any Zambians who are currently in South Africa, can you verify through experience that the statement made by Maestro has got some truthful backing?
What speculating.
I have already set up the poll right here and we shall see how many Zambians who are currently in South Africa are going to provide some validity to your claim. Lets see how many Zambians in South Africa will respond and we shall add up the statistics.
What’s wrong with “My concern?? Maestro do you read what you write?? honestly do you.
Maestro says,”stop this blind badly done defence of Bembas “[end quote]. “? What I implied here in case you have an English Language is that the defence the probably Bemba character was giving was badly done. You defend your position(s) with proof and evidence. Do you know how courts of law operate? They do not mete out judgement on specualtions but actual proof.
Is this simple English Language difficult for you to understand?
On “Maestro says, “This is why my comments are meant to make you who may be Bembas to behave responsibly so that all Zambians can enjoy a good image inside and outside our great nationa; borders[end quote]
Right there you are making the assumption that only Bembas commit crimes. I cant believe this, am I the only only one that is seeing these comments??” This is another bad interpretationof my writings.
Where did I write the ONLY BEMBAS COMMIT CRIMES? Provide proof and not speculation. I am waiting!
On “Maestro
I can do my independent research right here on this blog. There are many Zambians who are currently in South Africa who blog on this blog and so let us ask them.” I asked you to ASK SOUTH AFRICANS AND ZIMBABWEANS! Why do you fail to understand simple English probably Bemba man?
However, let us see how your poll goes. M7y experience will remain holding whatever the case for it happen PERIOD.
Maestro, I am just writing what you wrote. In that statement (stop this blind badly done defence of Bembas), you where implying all Bembas. You did not write a specific number of Bembas or some but you meant all Bembas. Anyone who reads your statement knows that you meant all Bembas.
On “What speculating.
I have already set up the poll right here and we shall see how many Zambians who are currently in South Africa are going to provide some validity to your claim. Lets see how many Zambians in South Africa will respond and we shall add up the statistics.”
Also, ask the South Africans and Zimbabweans to give you an independent position of what they know. I wish you all the very best in this and results will be great from the non-Zambians.
On ” Free-Market-Capitalist says:
March 8, 2009 at 2:36 pmMaestro, I am just writing what you wrote. In that statement (stop this blind badly done defence of Bembas), you where implying all Bembas. You did not write a specific number of Bembas or some but you meant all Bembas. Anyone who reads your statement knows that you meant all Bembas.” Just wait and see/read the exact follow of the arguments you have brought from the actual statements. I still stand by my point that I was making the remark based on some of the Bembas and not all bemba people. Great stuff for bring this for the real liar will be noted in a few minutes!
Maestro,
I don’t need to ask South Africans or Zimbabweans. If a South African said that to you, chances are they said that to another non bemba Zambian.
Maestro says:Why do you fail to understand simple English probably Bemba man?
F-M-C already you have made the assumption that I might be bemba. Well I have news for you Maestro, I am not Bemba. I am a ZAMBIAN.
Maestro,
These are not the only statements which you have attacked Bembas. I just brought these two up because in one statement, you imply Bembas commit crimes based on unverifiable data. In the other instance, you imply that Bembas make up the Majority of street kids and Kaponyas in Southern Province also based on unverifiable data.
In many of your comments that have to do with tribe, you constantly attack Bembas. Everyone on this blog has seen this. Lets also not forget your condemnation of Sata (a bemba) without reason and your loyalty to HH (a tonga) also without reason.
Hello, if we where in court, what would be the jury’s verdict??
In the LT thread “w w w.lusakatimes. com/ ? p= 8530”, the following were my actual words from my very first point on Bemba people is:
#66 “On “The said Ms. Mudiwe [Mudiwe] alias Maureen Chileshe had earlier obtained both the green national registration card and the passport by false representation”, it is impressive to note that she particularly choose to use a fake Bemba Tribe surname name.
My surprise is that most Bemba Tribe people are known to be crooks in Zimbabwe and South Africa, but she went ahead and picked a Bemba surname which was sooner or later going to be suspicious as it has proved right now.’ Are you MYOPIC that you can not read the words ‘..most Bemba..’ in…
… in there? On “Maestro,
I don’t need to ask South Africans or Zimbabweans. If a South African said that to you, chances are they said that to another non bemba Zambian. ” Why are you scared to ask the South Africans and Zimbabweans. There is no need to depend on chances here baba.
This is childish thinking on the part of Ingmbe Illede (Maestro) to think that if a kaponya uses bemba then he is necessarily bemba. It doesnt have to take a rocket scientist to establish the real cause behind your grudge against bembas. Maybe a bemba guy snatched your girl or even humped your wife. In either case its because walishisita chi colour !
On “Maestro says:Why do you fail to understand simple English probably Bemba man?
F-M-C already you have made the assumption that I might be bemba. Well I have news for you Maestro, I am not Bemba. I am a ZAMBIAN.” My English Language is very claerly on “…probably Bemba man?” that here is nothing wrong in my assumption. Yes you may be a Zambian but am I not a Zambia? Please, give credibe defence on your claims than running around like a headlesss chicken!
Handle my …MOST BEMBA… issue above baba, ARE YOU MYOPIC to to have read it or you have a complex I am yet to understand?
On “Maestro,
These are not the only statements which you have attacked Bembas. I just brought these two up because in one statement, you imply Bembas commit crimes based on unverifiable data. In the other instance, you imply that Bembas make up the Majority of street kids and Kaponyas in Southern Province also based on unverifiable data. ” Bring more if you can and I will defend my position carefully as I have always done. I am waiting!
On “In many of your comments that have to do with tribe, you constantly attack Bembas. Everyone on this blog has seen this. Lets also not forget your condemnation of Sata (a bemba) without reason and your loyalty to HH (a tonga) also without reason. ” Hhehhehhehhe. You are really myopic my friend. The Undereducate Mr Michael C. Sata is a Bemba and so why MUST I spare him on the comments I have made with clear REASONS that the man supported Mr Chiluba’s Third Term Bid when his frineds like late Lt. Gen. Tembo fought it as democrates. No wonder PF has not had a CONVENTION to democratically elect it leaders!
Maestro, I will tell you right now, I do not consider you a Zambian because our KK (who I am not a fan of) preached the slogan ONE ZAMBIA, ONE NATION and worked hard to ensure this.
Anyone who puts their tribe above Zambians is not a Zambian. Bembas are Zambians and if you are talking ill of Bembas, you are talking ill of Zambians.
On “Lets also not forget your condemnation of Sata (a bemba) without reason and your loyalty to HH (a tonga) also without reason. ”” is there anything wrong for me to support democratically elected UPND president Mr HH just because I am Tonga by Tribe like him? What does the current Zambian Republican Constitution we are using indicate on FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION with any political party? Do you see that you are a REAL TRIBALIST, my friend! Please, give valid points to decampaign president HH instead of his tribe! This will help you. I write about the Undereducate in his capacity as a failure to develop Zambia and as a Standard 4/Grade 6 school drop out and not on his being Bemba by Tribe.
On “Free-Market-Capitalist says:
March 8, 2009 at 3:01 pmMaestro, I will tell you right now, I do not consider you a Zambian because our KK (who I am not a fan of) preached the slogan ONE ZAMBIA, ONE NATION and worked hard to ensure this” I respect your opinion. However, YOUR OPINION will never change the reality on the ground – that I have a Zambian NRC and PASSPORT.
I hope you will not have a heart attack or depression in your wishes that will never happen baba.
I am a proud ZAMBIAN CITIZEN whether you like it or not.
Maestro says:it is impressive to note that she particularly choose to use a fake Bemba Tribe surname name.
My surprise is that most Bemba Tribe people are known to be crooks in Zimbabwe and South Africa,
1. The woman is Zimbabwean and you said most Bembas are known to be crooks in Zimbabwe. Well since she is Zimbabwean, she would have known this now wouldn’t she?? That makes your statement wrong because if Zimbabweans thought this about Bembas, then she wouldn’t have picked a Zimbabwean name.
2. MOST……meaning majority but not all. This is still a tribalist statement because it cannot be proven.
On “Anyone who puts their tribe above Zambians is not a Zambian. Bembas are Zambians and if you are talking ill of Bembas, you are talking ill of Zambians.” Firstly who has put their tribe above other Zambians? Who camps in Bemba Language where-ever he mostly goes to throughout Zambia? Is it not the Standard 4/Grade 6 school drop out Undereducate Michael Chilufya Sata?
Your wishful thinking will NEVER take you anyway baba!
I did not make the comment to decampaign HH. I made the comment to show your support of HH on the basis of his tribe. It correlates with your other attacks on Bembas. You attack Bembas and so that correlates with the fact that you will attack Sata which you have done.
Just a short statement on HH. In the UPND constitution, a presidential candidate is supposed to run for two presidential races, after that a convention is to be held and a new presdential candidate must be elected to represent the UPND. There is nothing in the UPND constitution that makes an exception for by-elections. Unless you can provide proof, that debunks the whole HH democrat theory.
On your “1. The woman is Zimbabwean and you said most Bembas are known to be crooks in Zimbabwe. Well since she is Zimbabwean, she would have known this now wouldn’t she?? That makes your statement wrong because if Zimbabweans thought this about Bembas, then she wouldn’t have picked a Zimbabwean name.
2. MOST……meaning majority but not all. This is still a tribalist statement because it cannot be proven.” those are your opinions which I respect. On “MOST BEMBA”, baba it appears your English leaves much to be desired. I wish you tha best for all on lookers will appreaciate who terribly you can defend your ill-motivated points baba. Write something sensible and not useless…
Your tribal sentiments on “I did not make the comment to decampaign HH. I made the comment to show your support of HH on the basis of his tribe. It correlates with your other attacks on Bembas. You attack Bembas and so that correlates with the fact that you will attack Sata which you have done.” are not helping. I have a right to support anyone whether Tonga by Tribe like me or any other tribe. In fact this is attested by the support I have shown for people like Hon. Given Lubinda or Dr. Chisimba to lead after a convention as PF president. So, your delusion is not helping you baba.
Maestro says:Who camps in Bemba Language where-ever he mostly goes to throughout Zambia? Is it not the Standard 4/Grade 6 school drop out Undereducate Michael Chilufya Sata?
Wow, I am going to make a big step for the first time and defend Sata. First let us look at the PF. In the PF, You have Guy Scott (A white Zambian), Given Lubinda (An Asian-African looking Zambian) and many other distinct tribes in the PF. In UPND, you have mostly Tongas.
Why didn’t HH denounce the statement, “only tongas can take over from Mazoka”??
Maestro says:baba it appears your English leaves much to be desired. I wish you tha best for all on lookers will appreaciate who terribly you can defend your ill-motivated points baba. Write something sensible and not useless…
This is a perfect example of poisoning the well logical fallacy. This is also attacking the person making the argument rather than the argument itself. You are trying to attack me as a form of rebuttal to my argument. This is a childish tactic.
Maestro says:are not helping. I have a right to support anyone whether Tonga by Tribe like me or any other tribe. In fact this is attested by the support I have shown for people like Hon. Given Lubinda or Dr. Chisimba to lead after a convention as PF president. So, your delusion is not helping you baba.
You are the one who misunderstood my point. My point is that your attacks on Bembas also correlates with the people you support. It also adds basis on the argument that you are a tribalist as that correlation provides some basis of proof. Business use correlation when making business decisions. Psychologists also do it. Why must it apply there and not here??
Somehow, I am failing to submit comments for you F-M-C but I am still there trying. Keep checking.
On “Just a short statement on HH. In the UPND constitution, a presidential candidate is supposed to run for two presidential races, after that a convention is to be held and a new presdential candidate must be elected to represent the UPND. There is nothing in the UPND constitution that makes an exception for by-elections. Unless you can provide proof, that debunks the whole HH democrat theory.” president HH is still serving his term of which he was democratically elected.
On “There is nothing in the UPND constitution that makes an exception for by-elections. Unless you can provide proof, that debunks the whole HH democrat theory”, ask the UPND for help and not me. I am not UPND like the Undereducate Sata is PF. I do not even have a membership card in the mighty UPND political party lead by president HH and his Team.
On “Wow, I am going to make a big step for the first time and defend Sata. First let us look at the PF. In the PF, You have Guy Scott (A white Zambian), Given Lubinda (An Asian-African looking Zambian) and many other distinct tribes in the PF. In UPND, you have mostly Tongas.” Is Mr Charles Kakoma the Vice President of UNPD a Tonga man by Tribe? Is Ms Mulenga or so the UPND Youth Chairperson or so a Tonga by Tribe?
F-M-C please stop your open tribalism on the Internet. Your defence is simply childish – without substance!
On “Why didn’t HH denounce the statement, “only tongas can take over from Mazoka”??”, I am not president Hakainde Hichilema, HH, to anwser that question. Please, seek audience with him and ask him for yourself.
As far as I am concerned the UPND had decratic elections after their late former president Mr A. Mazoka died that were organised by then UPND vice-president/Acting president Mr Sakwiba Sikota who lost clean game to president HH. After the elections, president HH tried to pump sense into Mr S. Sikota to remain in the UPND, but alas the brother thought that he was popular and formed his unperforming LP party. So, your tribal stuff has no ground to stand.
On “This is a perfect example of poisoning the well logical fallacy. This is also attacking the person making the argument rather than the argument itself. You are trying to attack me as a form of rebuttal to my argument. This is a childish tactic”, you lack of producing substance is what has prompted me to use that analysis. Stop being childish and blog like a person who reasons properly.
On “Maestro says:are not helping. I have a right to support anyone whether Tonga by Tribe like me or any other tribe. In fact this is attested by the support I have shown for people like Hon. Given Lubinda or Dr. Chisimba to lead after a convention as PF president. So, your delusion is not helping you baba.
You are the one who misunderstood my point. My point is that your attacks on Bembas also correlates with the people you support. It also adds basis on the argument that you are a tribalist as that correlation provides some basis of proof.” This is again clear indication that you have a deficience in COMPREHENDING issues due to poor English Language.
This your “Business use correlation when making business decisions. Psychologists also do it. Why must it apply there and not here??” is completely misplaced and I will not waste my time to respond to your question.
Maesro says:president HH is still serving his term of which he was democratically elected.
HH already served his term as is stated in the UPND constitution. The person who tried to challenge him for he UPND presidency was expelled from the party. HH is serving his term undemocratically.
Maestro says:Is Mr Charles Kakoma the Vice President of UNPD a Tonga man by Tribe? Is Ms Mulenga or so the UPND Youth Chairperson or so a Tonga by Tribe?
F-M-C please stop your open tribalism on the Internet. Your defence is simply childish – without substance!
I was making a comparison between the UPND and the PF. You accused Sata of tribalism based on the fact that he uses Bemba at his rallies. I just showed you that your accusation has no basic backing to it as the PF is more diverse than is the UPND. So between the two parties, UPND would be considered tribalist and not PF.
Maestro says:you lack of producing substance is what has prompted me to use that analysis. Stop being childish and blog like a person who reasons properly.
Once again you have resorted to the same logical fallacies I pointed out. Why don’t you stick to the argument instead of attacking the person making the argument. This shows that you lack a rebuttal and have resorted to slander instead of an educated rebuttal to my argument.
If you are intelligent (and you claim this), you can surely see this and you can also understand what a logical fallacy is.
Maestro says:This is again clear indication that you have a deficience in COMPREHENDING issues due to poor English Language.
Once again, this is the same “slander” tactic you have used on some of my other arguments. Instead of attacking the person making the argument, why don’t you build your defense on the facts I have brought about you concerning the way the data correlates.
Maestro says:is completely misplaced and I will not waste my time to respond to your question.
Why not? Why don’t you school me since you are so intelligent. Once again you have failed to provide a rebuttal.
Maestro says:bring in as many quotes of my words amd I will respond carefully to you. I am NEVER going to restrict your on whatever you are capable of doing and so all the best in your endeavour – in short do it.
It is interesting that you have not denied the fact that you target bembas whenever you make comments concerning tribes. I do not have to provide quotes. The fact that you have not denied it is enough evidence for me.
Im off now, I have gone to gather some data concerning how China can drive the global economy out of recession.
On your “It is interesting that you have not denied the fact that you target bembas whenever you make comments concerning tribes. I do not have to provide quotes. The fact that you have not denied it is enough evidence for me.” F-M-C, I did not deny because they was not need to. Why MUSt I deny when you haven’t provided ploof of your claims. What shallow thinking! Your confusion will NEVER take you anyway, my friend. I have no problem with any world Citizen including any bemba person in his/her capacity as a Bemba by tribe. If you think otherwise, provide proof by quopting my words. Otherwise, have a good day.
So Maestro, are you saying we should ignore all your comments on which you have stereotyped Bembas when talking about tribe??
The proof is in the pudding Maestro. Whenever you talk about tribe, you are always talking about Bembas. Everyone can see that.
Answer me this, why is it that whenever you talk about tribe, you are always talking about Bembas??
It would be great if we knew the reason to that.
Please, on your “So Maestro, are you saying we should ignore all your comments on which you have stereotyped Bembas when talking about tribe??
The proof is in the pudding Maestro. Whenever you talk about tribe, you are always talking about Bembas. Everyone can see that. ” bring in as many quotes of my words amd I will respond carefully to you. I am NEVER going to restrict your on whatever you are capable of doing and so all the best in your endeavour – in short do it.
On “Answer me this, why is it that whenever you talk about tribe, you are always talking about Bembas??
It would be great if we knew the reason to that.” please give a quote as backing to your claims otherwise you are just hallucinating here!
Maestro says:ask the UPND for help and not me. I am not UPND like the Undereducate Sata is PF. I do not even have a membership card in the mighty UPND political party lead by president HH and his Team.
Why must I ask the UPND. You are the one who is making the statement that HH is still serving his term and you also made the statement that the UPND is following the UPND constitution. I have showed you that HH’s term is over and he is ruling undemocratically and I have also shown you that the UPND is not respecting the UPND constitution.
Why is it that when I ask for proof, you run and yet you are the one who is constantly asking me for proof?
Maestro,
I say there is no need because where on this blog am I going to meet South Afrians. The other reason why I said your statement is a lie is because I interact with a lot of Zimbabweans where I am. Many of them come from Harare and Bulawayo, many are my friends and many know I am Zambian.
The funny thing is they many don’t even know the differences in tribe in Zambia. All they see is Zambian.
On ” Free-Market-Capitalist says:
March 8, 2009 at 2:57 pmMaestro,
I say there is no need because where on this blog am I going to meet South Afrians. The other reason why I said your statement is a lie is because I interact with a lot of Zimbabweans where I am.” Just try to find them. The situation is bad my friend and you better start advising all Zambians wheter Bembas or non-Bembas to behave themselves properly as we all Zambians stand to benefit from such.
On “… I interact with a lot of Zimbabweans where I am. Many of them come from Harare and Bulawayo, many are my friends and many know I am Zambian.
The funny thing is they many don’t even know the differences in tribe in Zambia. All they see is Zambian.” Thats your experience which is NORMAL to differ with mine. So, continue with your research and gather all results than see if what I mentioned has substance.
Somenoe needs to ‘educate’ Maestro on the issue.The sooner he learns that before anyone is a doctor or driver or budhist or whatever they are they ARE human.
I DETEST TRIBALISTS.THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN CIVILIZED SOCIETY , NO MATTER HOW EDUCATED THEY PROFFESS TO BE . THEY ARE PURE IGNORANT ,THAT IS MY OPPINION .
I love all tribalist and sinners and this is why I am participating in Jesus Chrsit’s “I came to seek and save the lost”. They are all God’s creation and with proper instruction tribalists on LT and sinners of all sorts like those who insult will change there bad ways and become followers of Jesus Christ in truth and in spirit. This is why I spend my time showing them the right way just like Jesus Christ did.
Sorry for taking long to give you the exact scritures,Iam not at home Iam at skool I tried to find someone with a Bible but my effort were in vain.I promise when I get home I will give you the exact verses.In the main time read Romans 2 in this chapter Paul was warning the Jews who by then were busy bragging about observing the law but in the actual sense they were not living according to the law.in the last verse paul told them that that is why God’s name is being blasphemed by Gentiles coz of you.That ia the scpriture I refered you to mr Maestro.The second scripture should be in Romans chapter 12/13.where it says if what we eat causes other pipo to stumble then we should not eat.
The example given is not to look down on those who do not eat veg of meat. Iam sure you now know the scripture Iam talking about.Paul went on to say if what we eat causes others to stumble then we shouldn’t eat such things,this does not only apply on food it also applies on what we do.that is why I said if what we do causes others to stumble then we have to stop doing such things.That is what Iam asking from you,If you are a SDA christian and you know that talking about tribes and Sata upsets pipo why dont you stop? I promose I will provide these scritures for you big man.
I will respond to you nicely when I am done with this F-M-C. Enjoy yourself for now.
I support your view 100%. They are a real pain in the a$%#@ !
Guys we need to help our friend Maestro to move out from his world. Don’t hate him, he needs help. My friend open your eyes.
He just has to grow up and not just grow old. Even if we fasted for him to be forgive, the moron will keep on yapping till you just grow thin. He is beyond repair
HA HA HA HA FUNNY…..
Chile Man, please respond to my poll on comment #46.2.12.
Please and thankyou.
Having said all the above we all have to realise that everyone has their preferences but these should never be based on race, tribe, language or religion.I for one do not like the current adminstration in Zambia.I can’t stand RB.I can’t wait to see the back of them in 2011 that is why I would support a new govt.But this does not mean that I don’t like his tribe on anything about him like that.
Guys let’s move on from this silly diversion and get on with the posting.I read somewhere that the British actually own the Kariba dam.
Its possible. Which site was that?
Maestro He he he he he. THank God I have found the scripture I refered you to,thanks to google also.
Its Romans 2 vs 17-29 it talks about hypocrisy by the Jews,this is the scripture which talks about God’s name being blasphemed coz of our hypocrisy as Christians.Then the other one is un Romans 14.
Hope you will find time to meditate upon these scriptures and get something from them.I can now go and read in peace.
Later Matworld.
You can even wonder what edition of bible he uses. He is totally off course
Matworld, please respond to my poll on comment #46.2.12.
Please and thankyou.
F.M.C my respose to your question will be.I have never come up with any South african who has interest in knowing which tribe is good in Zambia,the only question I always get from South Africans is this ” How is south Africa compared to Zambia” my respnse to that question is always like the economy is SA is good but we also enjoy peace in our country unlike here.Things like finding out about which tribe I belong to has never happen since my coming here in 2007.Infact Zambians are respected here compared to other nations like Nigeria,Ghana and other nations.So stuff like vama Tribes I have never encoutered that.Maestro Iam at UKZN doing Accouting am not just claiming.Pietermarizburg…
Matworld, I know that you are at UKZN and this is why I indicated it on here. I have given you names of good Zambians of many tribes that you could associate with there in Durban because I have personally met them. This nonsense by some Tribal, especially insulting, Bembas on LT is not helping them or any of us all Zambians. Have a good day.
If you check our text books from secondary school religious education, the example given for a thieving tribe is the Bemba. The facts on the ground also show that most Kaponyas are Bembas, the rowdy masses in PF are bembas, the history of the scandal cases are full of Bembas. May be that is the reason why Maestro is convinced that there is a problem with Bembas. Dont condemn me, just think about it, I am just stating the truth. Here in Botswana, people think Bembas are inclined to steal.
But the facts are also that thieves cut across all tribes, so to keep talking about one tribe is wrong. I personally think Bembas are just noisy and talkative people but otherwise nice people to hang aroun
How are you my dear? Do you know why pipo there thinks Bembas are inclined to steal? It becoz of the info you pipo feed them.I know why our friends from southern say that we are thieves it becoz of FTJ.My fellow Zambian not all Bembas are like Chiluba there are some who are good pipo than you can imagine some are better than Tongas and vise versa.Dont tell me that you dont have tongas who are thieves or Talkactive.These issues of Tribes just bring confussion just take a look at what happened in Rwanda and Kenya,Do you want the same to happen in Zambia.Mwe ba Tonga please lets reconcile and continue to enjoy peace.Ala tebonse ababemba ababi.
Matworld, please avoid speculations and use REAL FACTS. Why are you accusing Tonga Zambian people of informing the Botswana people about the misdeeds of most Bemba Zambian people.
My friend, your concern MUST not be to accuse Tonga Zambian People, but to seek ways of how your currently bad image is affecting the good Bembas and all other non-Bemba Zambians to be looked down upon in almost all of Southern Africa. To this end. make sure you behave well and also ask all Zambians around your to carry yourselves in responsible manners. All Zambians stand to benefit from such an approach.
Good points there. In fact, I have ever indicated that it is not all Bemba Tribe Zambians who linked to stealing. It Have normally indicate that it is some and not all. I hope this help you ysar and others to understand my standpoint.
Maestro My big man have ever seen any other person here who has attacked Bemba apart from you who is a Tonga? If your answer is yes then iam so sorry for accusing the Tongas,but if the Answer is no then Iam right coz you are a Tonga and my comment on Tongas being the chief haters of Bembas is based on your comments that you pass as a Tonga Bull,some of the comments you pass on Bembas have been quoted by F.M.C.So Iam not just accusing the Tongas its my Man.Just as it is now you think Bembas are thieves coz Of what FTJ did same to me I think Tongas hates Bembas coz of your comments.
Matworld, you might be probably new on LT. There have been Tonga Zambians insulting Bembas on here LT but I managed to make them to stop insulting. This is why my answaer is YES to your question. Having writtent this I expect you to apologise. If you need proof for my claims I can find it for you and just shout for it. On your accusations that I am a Tonga person who hates Tongas, I respect your opinion but you are very WRONG baba. If you think otherwise give proof. I am waiting!
ysar says:I personally think Bembas are just noisy and talkative people
I personally think Bembas are a tribe that make up all the 72 tribes of Zambia. That is all. I take people as individuals. I have friends that are talkative and noisy and I do not see their tribe but their own personality as a person and who they are. Such stereotyping is evil and must be condemned. We must take people as individuals and not tribes.
should read: I personally think Bembas are a tribe that make up part of the 72 tribes of Zambia
Who do you want to cheat baba. You have just been referring to me and Tongas and that Tongas form the majority of the UPND. Sad who the English Language is difficult for some of you characters. How can you forget what you have just done a while ago? F-M-C, you just wrote “Wow, I am going to make a big step for the first time and defend Sata. First let us look at the PF. In the PF, You have Guy Scott (A white Zambian), Given Lubinda (An Asian-African looking Zambian) and many other distinct tribes in the PF. In UPND, you have mostly Tongas.
Why didn’t HH denounce the statement, “only tongas can take over from Mazoka”??
” on #46.2’s one of subsequent postings.
I have been silently following this debate for a while but I can’t leave statements like this one by ysar standing. You say that history shows the Bembas as a thieving tribe. So what does history say about the British and French imperialists? You say that there in Botswana, people think Bembas are inclined to steal but how do you think people here in Germany think about Zambians? Everyone is entitled to their own opinnion and so are you my friend BUT allow me to widen your horizon. The world is much larger than Botswana and History depends on what you choose to learn from it. Prejudice is a hard enemy to conquer.
Hi Nine Chale today,
Imagine Ba L.T. not even scripture of the day this Sunday..
I can assure you it looks like the statement you have responded to is unsolvable and ‘it has come to stay’, as it has been going on for donkey years since L.T. started. I ceased partaking/responding to such statements as they make me feel ‘lazy and tired’
Wishing all female bloggers happy womens day to day Sunday..though its already Monday 01:30AM for me. Cheers.
Not forgetting Lazy Chiza’s Legs who is busy with Diapers/Nppies right now…
THANK YOU CUTEY,I JUST ATTENDED A WOMENS MEETING WE SHARED COFFEE AND CAKES BUT CAME BACK HOME EARLY TO FINISH OFF SOME DUTIES….HAPPY WOMENS DAY TO YOU TOO.
Thanks Supergal,
Just arrived from family big day out. Watched Movies- Gran Tarino and Slumdog Millionnaire.Both movies, great stuff, sent me in stitches all the way.Its public holiday (Labour Day) here.
Good to hear you had a good Womens day out.
Cheers Mama and God bless.
Supergal,
I encourage you to watch those two movies with your family if you havent done so already..
Kind regards and Cheers…
Maestro,you are saying that my past record shows that i have insulted you because you are tonga and that as such i cant advice you.Ya i was forced to use strong language because of your hatred for bembas and Sata.And i have told you that never will i answer you badly.Yes my past record can be like that but i thank God for people like Martworld,Engines and others who have always adviced me never to insult.And i thank God that am no longer like you who has pepertual hatred for Sata and Bembas.I will respect HH,Sata,RB and other elderly people.I wonder how you look at Your father if he is not educated. God doesnt like what you are doing.And its sad that you are a leader at your church.
My friend Chewe, I am surprised that you have deliberately left me out of the people who have always advised you NEVER to insult. However, it is your discretion at play so no worries on this.
Also, I will always respect your opinion as it will forever remain an OPINION – nothing more, nothing less.
On the otherhand, I am glad to learn that you have changed. Nonetheless, STOP behaving as if you are God to pass FINAL judgment. This will help you in your lifetime. Have a blessed day.
Free-Market-Capitalist :
I entirely agree with you. I retract my statement. The best friends I have are all Bemba and I just enjoy being with them. I am no tribalist. Tribalism is just a disease of the mind. A tribalist detaches him/herself from reality. There is absolutely no room for tribalism in Zambia. A tribalist at best is a racist.
Amen.
This is exactly what I have been trying to get across you all LT Bamba Tribalists, specialists in Bemba insults, and always referring to Tonga people for no apparent reason. However, Zambia will continue on its democratic development path.
Anyway, I am off. It was good to have dialogue with you MrK and I hope we can do it again some other time.
Until next time, cheers.
Ok. 🙂
Maestro you are a danger to the peace and the one Zambia one nation slogan.Our country has never had situations where a certain tribe became hostile to the other.But i feel sorry for people like you.God has to change your heart.If only you can be humble and surrender to him. Am so suprised to see you rejoicing and making funny because Sata is sick.Maestro are you a Zambian? I have interacted with so many tongas and never have i seen such uncalled for behaviour like yours.Please stop even quoting scriptures that is the holy word of God.And never mis interpret it please!
Your nonsense is not helping you baba. I will respond to you when you will write sense.
My apologies for saying you are the only Tonga who insults Bembas.You also need to apologise coz when I said that the hetrede is between Bembas and Tongas you told me to stop speculating now you have just said that in the past there were other Tongas who used to insult Bembas,that statement of yours gives me the pride to boast that I was right in my cooment.
I like you big man but sometimes mulacilamo mudala wandi.
Thanks Baba for being honest. You now what, there were a lot of insults which were written by an LT Blogger “buju”. After a while, I convinced all Tongas to leave me ALONE to deal with the Bembas who insult Tongas. I did this because, I have enough experience of NEVER insulting ever since I was convinced that the good Lord does not like insults. Good enough, my Tonga brothers and sisters who are well-mannered and brought up stopped the insulting back and I have ever since used Holy Scriptures to pump sense in the Bembas who insult but it has been trick for they seem to be overcome by the devil. This is why I need to see people like you who a Bembas or Bemba sympathisers to help me.
On “You also need to apologise coz when I said that the hetrede is between Bembas and Tongas you told me to stop speculating now you have just said that in the past there were other Tongas who used to insult Bembas,that statement of yours gives me the pride to boast that I was right in my cooment”, my comment that there was no hatred from the Tonga people’s side was because they had stopped responding to Bemba insults towards Tongas. This is why you do not read insults from Tongas now on LT. Thus, if you want me to apologise on behalf of Tongas for past insults which were printed. I do apologise for that and I am glad that Tongas stopped insulting back. I hope no other Tonga will insult.
Maestro for your own info you have decampeined HH to me.I really wanted to vote for someone with a fresh brain,but now its better I dont vote for anyone to avoid genocide in Zambia coz If we give Chance to HH pipo like you can make sure that they get rid of all the Bembas in the name of getting rid of thieves.
Whether I have decampaigned president HH or not is not my problem. My well meant intentions are to support any party I like based on the provision of the Zambian Constitution. Have you ever read it of FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION? If you need a copy of a Zambian Constitution I can send it to you in the next few minutes. On your “Maestro for your own info you have decampeined HH to me.I really wanted to vote for someone with a fresh brain,but now its better I dont vote for anyone to avoid genocide in Zambia coz If we give Chance to HH pipo like you can make sure that they get rid of all the Bembas in the name of getting rid of thieves”, I am sad to mention that this is a tribal statement.
You are right big Man its a tribal statement based on the hetred that is between these two tribes.Which personally I don’t like.
So, do you think that your actions are going to help Zambia? If not, I huimbly ask you to reconsider your position and hopefully apologising for claiming that “… coz If we give Chance to HH pipo like you can make sure that they get rid of all the Bembas in the name of getting rid of thieves.”
How can you a Christian claimant accuse me of such a thing you even know that I can NEVER do simply because I have NEVER insulted any Bemba person on LT. Please, respond to this.
Education is the key in this society! Please Lord educate the people so that they do not die due to ignorance. This is my prayer on this beautiful sunday!! May God Bless you all. Let Love grow and not diminish. Let Love shine and where there is love , there is Christ, because he is love.
I will teach my Children and my grand children this word and will try with the grace of God to make stick to their lips.
You shall know them by the way they talk and act.
Amen!!
If you hate maestro’s comments on the undereducate that is your business! Let the man express himself on this blog.
Thanks for being objective. This is very progressive.
My friend (whereever you have been uprooted from) Please dont mislead yourself in public, there is no blogger here that does not have a first degree or more. So when we say Ingombe Illede (Maestro) is shallow minded, we are not looking at his level of education (no matter how low it obviously is ), we are mainly assessing common sense, maturity etc and from what we have discovered, he is a cheap tribalistic embecile who needs to be made aware of his mental and moral inefficiencies whenever we get the opportunity to. We are not Bembas by the way
Imwe Ba Mr/Mrs Bemba Speaker or Tribalist insulting character, you insults on LT are enough to indicate to any normal Zambian or non-Zambian that you are sick in your head. I will continue praying for you and I hope you will repent and be normal someday. I believe that my prayers for Chewe who had your similar insulting nature have yielded results and so it might work for you too. Have a great day and keep well insulting Bemba Speaker or Tribalist.
I we na iwe, u nga zi supportar vintu va cabe. What;s wrong wtih yu.
Maestro Hehehe.My apologies for saying you are the only Tonga who insults Bembas.You also need to apologise coz when I said that the hetrede is between Bembas and Tongas you told me to stop speculating now you have just said that in the past there were other Tongas who used to insult Bembas,that statement of yours gives me the pride to boast that I was right in my cooment.
I like you big man but sometimes mulacilamo mudala wandi.
See #51.7 and have a great day.
Enjoy the rest of your day everyone on this blog,Iam off now my apologies for not contributing anything on this topic.My prayer is that you may find a small room in your hearts to forgive me for all my comments I posted which are not related to the Topic.I appreciate you all for all your comments that you post and please dont let pipo like me who have nothing to contribute keep you away from LT I love you all and God bless you.I will join you later if my schedule allows me.
Stay blessed
Matworld Nice guy!
Sounds like uyu ci kamba ni homo
Before I go here is something for you Maestro please read Galathians 6 vs 1-5,since you claim to deal with Bembas who insult.Not the way you are doing it man.
Later big man.
Thank you and all the best in your activities. I have lost a day and will not mostly be available until after submitting my report of “Whistlers – Low Frequency Mode Waves” on friday to my faculty. We can always gchat when we find time.
Kabiye kapala
Supergal uyuy ci kamba ni homo fye
Tribe card.
Post Code lottery (even though we have no post codes in Zed).
You know these things will appear whenever some people appear on here. Jamaco, Matworld, Chewe long time, mulishani bonse.
Doing fine. Also extend my greetings to you bro!!
The topic at hand being that of a Dam ends up in shambles.
Exactly Jamaco what a shame! Have you been alright? I am back now.
I hate the tribe card. But then again you get stuff like-Cockney, Scoucer, Geordie I think it`s just natural. The only difference is the way it`s played by some people on here. The way some people talk on here, you only kneel down and thank God certain tribes have not had a chance. It`s scary! Imagine a ceratin Mr Fimo Fimo Fimo Fimo as minister! Blimey!
Maestro you have to repent.God loves you.Denounce that heart of a stone.
Li Tall Lay Maestro
Good for Zedians, will reduce load shedding too :((
Maestro,only God can change your heart of a stone.
Young man, your history is that you are an insulting person. The only way you will convince me that you have changed is to stop insulting and also behaving as if you are GOD – for it is called Blasphemy. This is brotherly and friendly advice. Have a good day and keep well.
Whatever you advise me will NOT be considered because of your history just like the history that Mr Micheal C. Sata is an Undereducate by the fact that he only went up to Standard 4 or Grade 6 in school who supported the Mr FTJ Chiluba’s Third Term Bid PERIOD.
If you and Mr Undereducate both change, you stand a chance of being recognised by me. The Undereducate can attempt the Grade 7, 9 and 13 exams. You, just behave.
LT Clamp this useless man called maestro my foot
All the best in your campaign. By the way, I do not use one computer only and so LT will have to dedicate how blocking all the channels I use if it tries to follow your useless suggestion. Have a good day.
Where has this idea come from..’the use of the bible to justify some peoples’ feeble/limited minds?’. Quite often, there is quote from the bible that is mis-intepreted/misquoted and above all, has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Can LT kindly provide some space to wanna be bible bashers so that they can preach to themselves/each other please? I have failed to understand how some people manage to change the subject under discussion and introduce a religious lecture followed by nasty tribal (istic) comments. News flash people, while most of us believe in God and have accepted Christ as our personal surviour, not everyone is a Christian and neither are they interested in discussing…
Just mind your own business and read the rems of blogging that LT has outlined. Have a good day.
With due respect sir, I never mentioned your name and if you feel touched by my sentiments then you can understand and at least respect my view whether you agree/disagree.
I do respect your view and keep well. For you information I will continue using the Holy Scriptures to the best of my ability. Feel free not to use them Holy Scriptures and also to skip reading my comments with Bible issues. No one is forcing you to read what relates to the Holy Bible baba.
Revelation 14 + KJV Bible:
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
.#69.1 Maestro HH . I admire your stubbornness and resilience to al lsorts of attack, equally your unique analytical approach to issues, and your outstanding theoretical knowledge of scriptures dersevers recognition though devoid of practical application which is a cornerstone of humanity. Having said his , can you for once understand that as Zambians we are one yet differ in education, political inclination , religious philosophy , upbringing, biological make up, geographical base etc how ever we still remain Zambians .Please do promote this unity without tribal label….
Maestro HH , the gifted individual , yet the confuser of men and women. When all is said and done you get PhD in Engineering and am an authority of human thinking with varsity knowledge of medicine as MD what will it profit the common man on the street without humility, I think you have gone beyond your borders . HH will never ever become the president of Zambia and so is sata A YOUNG PERSON SHALL LIBERATE zambia. One need to have sat at the feet of the master to understand him retuals nor the shoutings in torgues far from it bro
Thank you very much wiseman -reborn. Good you have acknowledged that I am unique and everyone else is. I will continue using data, information, and knowledge to blog as I deem fit. I wish you will do the same too. All the best in your activities and be blessed.
I mentioned earlier that this guy has a complex issue.It makes him feel more important to bring other people down in order for him to feel important.You can hardly hold an intelligent conversation without them bringing issues like how very educated they are,how many state of the art cars they are driving,what sort of house they live in and so on.They is no way only feels he is the most intelligent person alive at the moment;his tribe is the most superior;his church is the only true church ( sure angels are also shocked);his presidential candidate is the only one he can vote for including his political party.There must be something wrong here!
If he were in England they would have checked him for compulsive obcessive disorder of some kind.
Guys does it mean that you have nothing better do than exchanging words with a retarded person “Maestro Hhehhehhehhe”. He is anti-progress.
Guys does it mean that you have nothing better to do than exchanging words with a retarded person “Maestro Hhehhehhehhe”. He is anti-progress.
Why do people respond to him?
I really don’t know coz the guy is not himself. He needs to see a psychologist or someone to help him.
There is a term LT do not allow which may be he needs more than a psychologist! lol!
LT, give us another story
maestro ulimwaume! tell them. Some of these people make ashamed of being a Bemba because of their IMISANGO! Ubwafya tukwete us Bembas is that we think we are a know it all which is utter nonsense. This country has the best of brains from all over the its corners. I am afraid the people talking ill about you are behaving like illiterates, they ignore real issues and advance a tribal agenda at the expense of political development! This culture of insults which is being couched into our daily language should be nailed with tribalists advancing a political agenda for tribal supremacy. It is nonsense. I have no room for blind followers led by a blind leader because both will fall in ad ditch!
sorry i posted wrongly as though i were maestro. I am observer. I am the one commending him maestro ulimwaume.
maestro cheer up!
Very funny. Well tried though. lol!
Thank you Observer. It is great to know that not all Bemba Zambians are taken into confusion perpetrated by a few individuals. have a blessed day.
.We have more than 72 tribes in zambia. As a lozi I might as well start a un reasonable crusade . Yet this is immaterial .Only persons with psychiatric disorders will cling to tribal psychology and appeal to the majority populace .This is not in the Modern and indeed civil way of life. The villains turned with educationist please shade off your uncouth manners
Indeed, Zambia as a nation is composed of about 71 tribes and none among them is more speacial than the others. “one Zambia, One nation” as our fore-fathers coined a fitting name.
I think Nyama Soya is very bad at history, it was the colonial Brits who built the hydro electric power plant at Kariba not KK. KK tried diesel from grass but failed to squeeze it out. It was the same Nyama Soya who last week claimed the ANC is 103 years old when it is only 98 years old. No wonder he claimed Mpezeni, Zuma and himself are three Ngoni greats when all people can see it two rapists and a “child molester”.
The Kariba North Bank Hydro electric station was built in 1958 when KK was still in prison, how does RB now credit him with building the station? This is stinking lies.
Indeed Bwezani is trying to credit his brother in-law. Good observation
It was most shameful to see Rupiah seriously “Kayopering” at that conference to determine the way forward for Zimbabwe. When he was awaken from his slumber soon after the deliberations were over, he claimed it was too delicate an issue to state Zambia’s position outright. Now, I hear he is strategizing for a fresh term in 2011 when he will be 75 meaning, god forbid, he will be 80 when he leaves offers. You know, there is something about people called Banda, be they Kamuzu or Bwezani, they just do not know when to quit. We do not need to start moving him around in a ambulance for him to know time is up!
Its Good that RB is Ppreciating the good that was done prior to his presidency, but he has to work hard to earn his mark because currently time is not on his side and he is already losing ground on wrong things
So sad to hear of the passing of General Christon “Mwana wa Kwitu” Tembo. That was a true patriotic Zambian and for one I will never forget how he despite being vice president abandoned Kafupi’s ill advised third term bid and spearheaded the campaign to force the Iturian forest “mushumfwa” dweller to ambandon ubunangwa bwa third termer. May the gallant true soldier’s spirit rest in eternal peace. Hambana ka koozo old chap.
Appreciating
Iwe Sam Lindo, credit on the matter of Kariba Dam is due to the British Colonialists and not KK, the dam was completed in 1958 when KK was still nowhere near the corridors of power. Nyama Soya has his history wrong, next time you will hear him claim Chiluba built Harry Nkumbula University (UNZA) Simon Kapwepwe International Airport (Lusaka International Airport)
Bloggers read today’s Post editorial and see the facts on Zambian Airways debt. I quote: “NAC is owed about US$2 million by Zambian Airways. And this US$2 million is for passenger service charges, landing and navigation charges.And Zambian Airways took a loan from DBZ through Investrust Bank of US$3 million. This is a five-year loan running up to 2011. The airline also owes about US$1 million to ZRA for various taxes, and US$ 230,000 to NAPSA. And how do these amounts come to a total of US$30 million Rupiah says we have stolen from state institutions, from the Zambian people?” Do not be victims of cheap state propaganda.
The issue with Meembe from where I stand is not so much the fact that he owes not even whether his ZA should be bailed out or not but the fact that on theZambian stage, he is one guy from the time he came onto the public platform, has preached keeping the governance issue pa mwamba.Alas I am sacred this time around it doesnot sound that way.There is something suggesting they through governance issues to the wind.I Keenly awaiting the outcome of independent investigators.
Bloggers avoid responding to HHHH’S comments. He is one lunatic suffering from inferiority complex. Ubufontini bad. I have met alot of smart and educated Tongas. This is just another person with personal issues. He is a ‘Mr Know It All’ so why waste your time arguing with such a character? Instead of us debating on the topic at hand,he always comes in and with the first item he sees when he wakes up…….Sata’s image.
Thought the whole Kariba project was started by the Colonials? Advise me please
F.M.C,Your points are clear and straightfoward. As somebody just reading comments from all the bloggers you are smatter than the other guy.Please continue to be objective
Kariba South (Power Station) was built by the Federal government in the late 1950s. Infact Chilanga Cemment was built to provide the cement for the dam. Kariba North (Power Station) bank was built by Zambia using World bank loans after independence.
So please the facts are:-
1. Kariba Dam and Kariba South power Station (Federal Government).
2. Kariba North Zambian Government.
by the way Kafue gorge and Kariba were both surveyed at the same time. Kariba was selected for political reasons. By being on the border between the two Rhodesias it was supposed to bind the two together.