Stop debate on 2011 presidential and convention elections, Katele orders MMD

1. mwashibukeni bonse,
   Katele and your fellow cohorts,your target is prof clive chirwa bakapanga bafipe fyonse ifipupuka.manje mukakwata diarhoea.wait and see

2. Katele is good for nothing but witchcraft like many people from his chiefdom. You can even see it from his wrist on this picture.
   Good nite every body.

3. Things fall apart:MMD series Part 12.Keep fighting amongst yourselves but whilst you’re at it,please do your duties.In no articular order,Teta,Mulongoti,Katele and Shika’s,mwali kwata problem balumendo.ifinangwa ifi.awe sure.

4. ATTENTION BLOGGERS,
   all those who want to post their threads must do so now because there is one boy whose preoccupation is to blogg and nothing else.he will paste nonsence all over the pages and your sensible threads will be obscured.iam sure he hasn’t woken up yet.he might have worked late in the night because towards wekends restaurants become too busy in europe and at times dishes can be messy so cleaning them can be such a tideous job.so the boy is worn out.let him wake up and you will see what am talking about.his name is hakucicha hehehehe

5. Let’s watch and seen the fall of MMD.Katele you cannot shut the youth of MMD, aka tele kobe ka chepasana.

6. MMD is now just bunch of F**Ls no one seem to be talkg sense, even there prof. is just power hungry, no vision, no direction. Upto now he’s not said what is going to do for Zed!!!! He actions have faild him so far(he supportd the incumbet blindly) we cant continue with useless leadrs. we need to change, overhaul

7. Katele, i feel sorry for you. u are in an awkward situ here – on one hand you are interested in the presidency on the other you want to protect your job. let us wait & see how you are going to deal with Teta & Prof.Chilwa over this……they are the most culprits!

8. ba katele dress code ilemonekafya katondo katondo. its time these guys stepped down we are tired of seeing same faces.

9. ok seriously i am tired of hearing about who will stand for the 2011 elections bla bla bla. We can’t always live for the next elections. After the elections then what? another debate on the 2016 elections? Time for the election debate will come, but this is not the time. I agree with Kalumba on this issue and this must not only go to the MMD memebers but all Zambians. This is the time to debate issues that will put food on the zambian tables. Lets put our brains together and see how best we can improve our country. Lets put our political affiliations aside and get totgether to push our country out of this recession and come out stronger than before. Maybe our very “intelligent” and “educated” bloggers can help us with some positive economic ideas.

10. Mr chicks,
    How does aspiring for presidence make the prof to be power hungry?if you had a culture of reading then you would have at least come across imformation where the prof was spelling out his vision for zambia.an example of leaders who are power hungry if you may wish to know are SATA who does not practise democracy in his party and RB who wants to cling to power foregoing his earlier pledge.the prof my bro’ belongs to a new school of leadership.he wants to change goverment from a cadre driven one to an interlectual driven one.so if you are agitating for change as you put it then prof chirwa is the person you should be looking upto.he is the right man.

11. I also want to agree with Kalumba on this one, There are more serious issues at hand that need our time and energy to deal with other than this issue of 2011 elections. The problem in Zambia is that politics are now a means other than a service to the people. Everybody wants to be the president, MP and so on in order to enrich themselves at the expense of the majority poor.

12. Sangwa wants Chief Justice out of office: Lusaka lawyer John Sangwa say Chief Justice Ernest Sakala and Justice Peter Chitengi are not fit to hold office.
    In a petition to the Attorney-general, Mr Sangwa argued that the the two are not competent to hear any appeal case in Zambia.
    He said the two are past the retirement age.
    The petition letter in full follows:

13. Countrymen or is it countrypersons, look at the Frankenstein monster we created in 1991. It was brought in to replace KK’s dictatorship with democracy. Now it has run amok, out of control. It is no long fit to be called MMD i.e. MOVEMEMENT FOR MULTIPARTY DEMOCRACY. It should rechristen itself to MOVEMENT FOR SINGLE PARTY DEMOCRACY.

14. The petition letter in full follows:
    Our ref: K48/JPS/2009
    The Attorney General
    Ministry of Justice
    Fairley Road
    Ridgeway
    Lusaka
    Dear Sir,
    The People v.The Prinnciple Magistrate, Ex-Parte Faustine Mwenya Kabwe
    And Aaron Chungu Appeal No. SCZ/8/93/2009

15. katele tawakwata amano .how can you say that ,when your friends are busy campaigning for banda .chirwa must also stop just making statements and come down to the ground .he must be dreaming to think presidency is like a job interview where you just get invited for an hour and you get the job .presidency is much more than that .he might have symphasisers like akapondo but the cadles like meat and not rhetorics , press conferences or submissions .there its the other side of the world .

16. [1] On 29 April 2009, we lodged the above-stated appeal and because of its urgent nature it was heard in Ndola on 2nd June 2009, by a Bench consisting of the Chief Justice, Mr. Justice Peter Chitengi and Madam Justice Chibombo. We understand that Madam Justice Chibombo is acting Judge of the Supreme Court in line with the provisions of Article 93(5) of te Constitution. On 9th July, what was described as the “judgment” of the Court was read by the Chief Justice and our client’s appeal was rejected.

17. [2] It has now come tour client’s attention that the time of hearing the appeal on
    2nd June 2009, both the Chief Justice and Mr. Justice Chitengi had already passed the retirement age of sixty-five stipulated in Article 98(1) of the Constitution, hence not qualified to hold the office f judge of the Supreme Court; consequently not competent to hear and determine this appeal or any other appeal case.
    [3]Article 98(1), omitting the parts not relevant to the issues at hand, reads:
    Subject to the provisions of this Article, a person holding the office of a
    Judge of the Supreme Court — shall vacate that office on attaining the age
    Of sixty-five years: (Emphasis ours)

18. [4] We are aware of the proviso to Article 98(1), which omitting the parts not relevant, reads:
    Provided that the President-
    (a) may permit — a judge of the Supreme Court, who has attained that
    age to continue I office for such a period and may be necessary to enable him to deliver judgment or to do any other thing in relation to proceedings that were commenced before him before he attained that age;
    (b) may appoint — a judge of the Supreme Court, who has attained the age of sixty-five years, for such further period, not exceeding seven years , as the President may determine. (Emphasis ours).

19. [5] These provisions did not allow their Lordships to hear and determine this appeal or any other appeal after reaching the retirement age. If their Lordships are in the office on the strength of proviso (a), it is our view that that proviso only empowers that President to permit their Lordships to continue in office, after reaching the retirement age, only for such a period as may be necessary to enable them to deliver their opinions in appeals, which they heard before reaching the retirement age. It does not allow them to hear and decide appeals after attaining retirement age.

20. [6] However, if their Lordships are in office on the strength of proviso (b), we admit that under that proviso the President has power to appoint a retired judge of the Supreme Court to another term not exceeding seven years. This is a fresh appointment which must be ratified by the National Assembly in line with the provisions of Article 93.

21. [7] So far as we have been able to establish there has been no ratification by the National Assembly of their Lordships’ appointments after retirement. It is our position that the Chief Justice and Mr. Justice Chitengi are holding their offices and performing the functions of the judge of the Supreme Court illegally. They are doing so in violation of Articles 93 and 98 of the Constitution. They were not, therefore, competent to hear and decide our clients’ appeal.

22. [8] The allocation of or clients’ case to a Bench made up of the Chief Justice and Mr. Justice Chitengi also violated our clients’ right guaranteed under Article 18(9) of the Constitution. Under that Article our clients are guaranteed the right to a fair hearing before and independent and impartial Court. A panel dominated by retired Supreme Court judges, but in office in violation of the Constitution, cannot be independent and impartial as required by the Constitution. The situation is aggravated when the following factors are considered,

23. (a) although the President has the power to appoint a retired judge for a further period not exceeding seven years, the circumstances in which the Chief
    Justice and Mr. Justine Chitengi were appointed and the period they are expected to serve are not known;
    (b) their appointments after retirement were not ratified by the people’s
    representatives in the National Assembly;
    © without such ratification the judges are serving at the pleasure of the;
    President;

24. (d) given the low life expectancy in Zambia, there is a presumption that
    once one has served up to the age of 65, one has given his best both physically and intellectually;
    (e) given the high level of unemployment in the country those who have
    reached retirement should vacate their officers and create room for
    others; and
    (f) after all a retired judge is entitled, until death, to 80% of the serving
    judge’s emoluments;

25. [9] Other than violating the Constitution the panel that heard our clients’ case also violated Section 3(2) of the Supreme Court Act, which provides:
    The determination of any question before the Court shall be according to
    The opinion of the majority of the members of the Court hearing the case.
    [10] The Court hat heard and determined our clients’ appeal was made up of three judges of the Supreme Court, the minimum number of judges that can hear and determine an appeal as stipulated in Section 3(1).

26. However, only one opinion was read by the Chief Justice as representing the opinion of the Court. This is in violation of Section 3(2) of the Act. The said Section requires each of the three judges, working independently, to deliver his or her own opinion. It is only after reading the opinion of each judge will it be possible to determine the majority opinion of the Supreme Court cannot, therefore, be pre-determined by the judges in secrete chamber and one opinion delivered. It is for the parties to the appeal and other interested parties to read opinion of each judge and from there deduce the majority opinion of the court of the.

27. Our clients have the right to know the opinion of each judge that was part of the panel that heard their case. The said provision is meant to benefit our clients and is designed to enhance the independence and impartiality of the Supreme Court
    [11] The departure by the judges of the Supreme Court from the provisions of the Section 3(2) of Act;
    (a) undermines transparency and accountability within the Supreme Court;
    (b) stifles diversity in legal thinking and creativity;
    © violates Article 91(2) OF THE Constitution, which enjoins judges to observe
    the Constitution and the law;
    (d) curtails development of the law and the legal system; and

28. [12] If your interpretation of the constitutional and statutory provisions we have referred to is different from ours we have instructions from our clients to move the High Court so that the issues we have raised can be adjudicated upon. However, if you share our interpretation of the said provisions, we would like to know what you propose to do to correct the constitutional and statutory violations we have outlined above.

29. [13] We would be grateful to hear from you within seven days from date hereof. If we do not we have instructions to move the High Court.
    Yours faithfully
    Simeza Sangwa & Associates
    Cc: His Excellency the President
    His Lordship, the Chief Justice
    Her ladyship the Deputy Chief Justice
    His Lordship Mr. Justice Chitengi
    The Speaker of the National National Assembly
    Mr. Faustin Kabwe
    Mr. Aaron Chungu

30. well,i see sense in want kalumba is talking about.
    #10 akopondo,chirwa is a good guy but he is out of touch with da pipo and he is jst not serious enough with politics. if he waz serious he wud hav gone to zed sometime ago so that da pipo get to know him.Honestly how do u expect to make things happen on the ground in zed wen u ar based in europe!!!!!!

31. What is this wizard saying, its above my understanding why such people are still in leadership sure.. it doesnt matter what happens in MMD, we are tired of them and we need a new party..sis

32. Katele there is something wrong. Make it clear to every one when campaigns for the positions in NEC are supposed to start. There is no point in keeping everything close to your chest. Zambia is a free democratic country not a “DICTATORSHIP” . Why are you prorecting RB to be the sole candidate for Paty Presidency. Is he going to stand against a frog or Hyna like UNIP days. I dont what has gone wriong with DR KALUMBA KATELE. It appears after using those chienge.com gagets our man is no longer the same.

33. I don’t think anyone should be suprised with Katele attitude of supporting RB. He supported Levy and was spared of corruption charges… now he has no option but to do the same with RB… The simple take on this that Katele will never be presido … but will continue to support those who can shield him from prosecution…As a matter of facts Katele knows all the Presido hopeful in MMD … but he can only go with the majority and not moral or principles.

34. Mr Katele people of Zambia are tired of you people. It is like you are doing Nothing. Let people with fresh ideas come in your RB has just brought back UNIP things. Your say you want People do some Developmental issues when you Guys are busy Stealing. You have been Stealing from 1991 today. It is time for other People to take over your eating. We cant allow other UNIP ERROR to be MMD ERROR. Let other people take over Please.

35. Again I say I regret having helped MMD remove UNIP from govt. What a blunder!!!!!!!!!!

36. Katele the thief! What a disgrace.

37. FUMBI,
    Your semi english has comfused me.i can’t fully grasp what you are trying to say.however my support for clive chirwa is not cadre oriented.it’s the mediocrity that we’ve had in our leadership that iam trying to oppose because i know it will be a scum for this country to rid of the MMD in put in the likes of SATA a bully and a person full of cheap rhetoric which you attributed to the prof.the prof fully understands where zambia is today and he has an idea of the remedies.this is not fiction.

38. @ Akapondo
    Thats funny, but you ar right!
    The chap irritates me to death.
    Saomebody’s selfishness and lack of vision brought all this to Zambia. How could he appoint RB as VP?

39. Iwe Katele! now you have seen some thing wrong coz magande and chirwa have also started campaining heee. You , Mulongoti and teta have been campaining for RB and you have called it good gesture. Your fake NEC met and indorsed RB as the sole candidate…why did you do that? You double standard people? selfish, bangwele , evil ,mwe fibanda imwe.

40. BUKA,
    the prof is in zambia.don’t worry.what you ought to know is that the kind of development that zambia aspires for is the one that has been achieved by european countries where prof chirwa stays and he has been in the thick of some of those developmental projects out there.and always remember that the economic problems which zambia is facing today require persons who have a vision and the acumen to find solutions not empty rethoric and cadre mobilisation.and been domiciled in zambia should not even become near the qualifications after all i wont be wrong to say that the cream of the of the zambians are all out in the diaspora and they have got the better understandind of the current world economic scenario

41. Any debate is health for democracy.
    Forbidding people to debate in a democratic country is tyranny!

42. Indoshi nokwiba……..not long ago I was watching tvz and the police had cought him in a camp with a frog in his hands clickin on it………….and now he wants to the nationa what to do. Can some please find that story so that we can refresh history

43. These so called senior party members in MMD are really amazing me, when Mulongoti and Tetamashimba are campaigning for RB noone is stopping them from talking, but the moment someone i.e Chirwa or magande speaks, then they commit a serious offence. Oh i forgot that Katele is just trying to protect his a**** he has cases pending in the courts of law………

44. I am not the least bit surprised. Anyone who knows the MMD’s history knows tha lastt ime they had a democratic convention was 1995. Since then the Presidents of the time, . firstly FTJ, then the late LPM have manipulated them RB is surely taking a leaf. At least in my opinion the most democratic party is the UPND, I can not even start to talk bout PF or UNIP

45. Katele once again on the spotlight.Since when did RB become MMD president for LT to say”in a letter copied to Party president”?Katele stop hijacking the MMD presidency for your personal immunity to prosecution.Let party members debate openly who they want to be adopted in next elections and YOU (Katele) know that the Prof will carry the day.
    Akapondo good point on the need to have to Prof in MMD than let the likes of SATA take over,

46. This ban is useless, Teta, Munkombwe, Mabenga, Mulongoti and the rest will soon say RB is the only suitable candidate and then what are you Katele going to do?? Let the people talk, after all thats what we Zambians are best known for, Talking!

47. The ban is as useless as Katele’s witchcraft

48. I think choice of leadership should not be based on how loud one can speak or how educated one is. In a developed democracy, what we should strive for is to vote people on the basis of their plan of management of the country. We need to assess this plan for its feasibility and long term impact. In this regard, populism should be viewed with skepticism/caution and academia should be assessed for practicality. Clive Chirwa is a good candidate, but he needs to earn the right to lead us by convincing us. If he is serious, the first step would be to give up his job in the UK and return to Zambia to dedicate his time and energy to his campaign.

49. #1, 2, 3…..46 you are all spot on. When these bootlickers says RB’s candidancy is non-negotiable, Katele does not talk. When other potentials voice their wish to stand, they are told to shut up. This is dictatorship and undemocratic. Does katele reflect on all these things? Its utter rubbish to say the least…

50. 48 Continued. But he needs a firm financial and organisational base otherwise “they” will finnish him financially. One man can not run Zambia, so lets aslo scrutinize these peoples teams, or shadow governments. Before the PF/UPND pact, did anyone know who Sata’s person in charge of Finance, Home affairs etc was? Apart from Kabimba and Lubinda, it seemed like a one man show to me.

51. Kalumba, Shikapwasha, Tetamashimba, Mulongoti, Munkombwe, etc.. are determined never to spare us of their rubbish, stinky vomit from their bootlicking mouths. Day in and day out they take turns in their sick mouthings and I wonder if they ever do any work.

52. # 31, Miss Daisy

    Welcome back.

53. From the Chiengi school of sorcery and wizardly.

54. This terrible wizard is still alive ka? Do you see the charm on his wrist and also the unicon that is slowly protruding from his forehead, Katele but kwena ubuloshi bwacilamo! We need Emmanuel Milingo to exorcise this troubled soul of the ghost of ubuloshi troubling it. Maybe Miyanda can bring his terrible Sangoma from Beira in Mozambique that cured State House of Kaunda’s “musiyaleni 4 maloshi”.

55. The people now debating on the 2011 MMD Presidential candidature have seen the need to do so and there is no need of stopping them They have seen that they are suitable people in MMD who can lead this country to great heights. The is need for fresh bleed in the party People like Katele, Teta, Mulongoti, Lugwangwa and all those so called leaders in MMD its time for them to go and try some farming.

56. The wily characters 4 AKAPONDO wrote lies “iam sure he hasn’t woken up yet.he might have worked late in the night because towards wekends restaurants become too busy in europe and at times dishes can be messy so cleaning them can be such a tideous job.so the boy is worn out.let him wake up and you will see what am talking about.his name is hakucicha hehehehe” simply because he/she is a failure in debating. Lucky enough for him/er, such spiritually sick in form of mental problems do not lack support from similar characters as 38 toko but Il expose them big time for this demonic behaviour way of life they are in.

    This is why they have courage to nonsense in a hope to attract similar manner failures since “birds of same fathers flock together“.
    _
    Matt…

57. Lo, Miss Daisy @ 31. Getting even more GAWJUS.

58. Following “He said the party will have greater opportunity at some opportune time next year to allow NEC to signal debates regarding the 2011 elections”, this is real good Katele Kalumba (PhD,USA) and I hope Ministers Teta., Mulongoti and Shikapwasha will desist from influencing others like MP Magande to issues statements on the MMD presidency and presidential candidate of 2011 elections.

    As for non-party members barking about the MMD presidency and their interest, just ignore them but do actions that will leave them in the cold, but give chance to all MMD members to exercise their right to attempt any office they want to serve the party.
    _
    Eph 6:33
    12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness

59. The “OVERSPEEDING” TETAMASHIMBA.

60. Here we go! This is beyond annoying, its now become hilarious – and i am not talking about Katele who advocates pleasuring oneself (colloquially known as “Katele”) as a means of fighting HIV.

61. #42, Dee Tonga bull, HA! HA!, clickin on a frog, that is FUNNY!!

62. daisy xsay, how u been?

63. Katele cant see the truth. Reminds of an old woman coming from England to South Africa by sea. As the ship Captain announced that they had reached the Equator the old lady asked the Captain to show her this Equator. Seeing that there was no way he could convince her, the Captain took a piece of hair and put across his binoculars and asked the lady to look through the glasses. “I see it, I see the Equator” shouted the woman. And she was happy ever after even though the Equator is just an imaginary line. This ladies and gentlemen is the level of thinking in MMD.

64. Its realy hard to believe that such a man could be involved in witchcraft. Is it realy true?

65. Okay Katele this warning must extend to Teta,Mulongoti & Yourself.

66. Why hasnt LT reported on the appology by Zambia National Women Lobby to Post Newspaper Editor Chansa Kabwela. Are they afraid of RBB?

67. Katele may bewitch anyone talking about 2011. Those strange things on his wrists could be part of the armour. The police have experienced his satanic prowess when they tried to arrest him

68. Democracy in Zambia

    MMD has assigned thugs to attack The Post Newspaper reporters whenever President, Rupiah Banda is travelling and likely to meet the media in the country.

    The MMD accuses The Post of reporting President Banda negatively. Quoting anonymous MMD insiders, the newspaper alleges that the youths are present at every public function attended by the Zambian president. It reports that one of the vigilantes tried to harass Edwin Mbulo, Livingstone based correspondent as he was taking pictures of Local Government Minister Benny Tetamashimba.

    And ZNBC Director of Programmes, Maxwell Ng’andu says he is saddened by the MMD cadres’ attacks on journalists. Mr. Ng’andu has called on all political parties to exercise maximum restraint when dealing with journalists.

69. #66. Deja Vu. And I like the wording in that letter of apology. With all fairness, Chansa Kabwela did not err in discharging her duties. The whole incident has been blown out of proportion for political objectives.

70. What do we expect to happen to RB’s challengers at the Convention, especially when they can harass reporters for just telling the truth

71. correction..
    delete especially and to read ………..when the MMD can harass reporters for just telling the truth

72. Good morning maestro,wabuka kabotu musaa.ulanwa bukoko?unwee kabotu na ulanwa. mebo ndi kabotu.sister ku msanza ali na badala bali kabotu ubaye.ndalumba musaa sunu uhunke kuchikolo kobala mabuku notii blogg- every time ok.

73. It is nice to see camaraderie between Akapondo, the Rogue and Maestro for a change.

74. 73 Senior Engineer RTD greetings. On your “It is nice to see camaraderie between Akapondo… “, it is real nice when insulting characters desist from bad behaviour and I believe this AKAPONDO can change for the better. His/er problem thinks that I am on here to compete with others, when the truth is that I am here to provide my independent standpoint on things.

    Anyhow, it is good to note that the character has come to his senses a bit though he is bringing alcohol drinking when he should know I do not drink it following my postings.

    Be blessed all.

    _
    Ephesians 6 + KJV Bible
    6:12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high…

75. The drama never ends, does it?!!!
    Banda is old and should go peacefully after his accidental stint as President. This is a given and should therefore not be a debatable issue. However, knowing our country, ambuya will try to go on until we tire of him.

76. SENIOR ENGINEER RTD,
    Let me consult the dictionary and verify if there is no element of sarcasm in the word “rogue” if there is wapya iwe.i’ll get back to you and quench the little libido remaining in you after retirement and we’ll see if maestro is going to be supplying you with some vukuvuku.

77. Miss Daisy is very brave!! She has shown her face while condemning Zambia’s number one wizard!!! My dear, I hope you will get through the weekend. Ubuloshi bwa Ba Katele is internationally known after he hid behind a blade of grass like Mushala!

78. maestro,congrtulations for today you have saved people from reading those monotonous pastings and coments-which you are accustomed to.no,i didnt know that you dont drink-alchohol.i just expected it because you said you dont have a wife nor a fiance neither do you have a girlfriend and you have never had one.sad enough you are staying in germany where homosexuality is rampant.iam concerned.

79. pali ba cctv aba kamba-ma men

80. Iam not a physist but I think there is physics in ubuloshi only thing is it is not veryfiable much the same way you can not veryfy the amount current in a lightening……maybe we can commercialise this trade and add some meat to it and who knows it might just as well add up to our GDP(lol)…lekeni ukutosha bane

81. Katele.Everything he says nowardays just seem like its self preservation and aligning himself with the powers that be .It does not really reflect who he really would want to be.Typical of our leaders.

82. I am sure Maestro will love this. Jesus Christ was crucified with Utupondo, Akapondo on each side. You should have known that SDAs abhor drinking although a number of them drink secretly. You must thank me for improving Zambia’s HDI of 0.434 which falls under low human development because it is based on life expectancy (I am a sexagenarian), education(I am a graduate) and income (when I was working)

83. akapondo #72 dude, you’ve totally mutilated that lingo homes, though u made a pretty decent effort

84. Ba dudulove,
    Twaswlilila ncho mwamba.twalumba kapati.

85. SENIOR ENGINEER (RTD)
    Why should an old folk like you spring up and start throwing feeble jabs instead of nailing your bums in that rocking chair writing your memoirs.akapondo kano takachita crucify kachitafye castrate.

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