Catholic Archbishop of Lusaka, Telesphore Mpundu has broken his silence over recent allegations by Second Republican President Fredrick Chiluba that his sister is allegedly married to Patriotic Front leader Micheal Sata in a polygamous marriage.
Speaking during a press conference in Lusaka this morning, Archbishop Mpundu who opened his address by Stressing that silence is not always Golden, described as very unfortunate that in the fight against his sworn political adversary Dr Chiluba made insinuations with regard to him personally and casts wild aspersions on the Catholic Church.
He said Mr. Sata is a public figure whose family life cannot be hidden from the public eye for any length of time.
Archbishop Mpundu said Dr.Chiluba was therefore not making any new revelation because what he said was common knowledge long before the birth of the Patriotic Front when Mr. Sata was still side by side with him in the Movement for Multiparty Democracy (MMD).
Archbishop Mpundu questioned why the revelation which is two decades old can be made now.
He said it cannot be denied that in his response to Mr. Michael Sata, Dr Chiluba has accomplished two objectives which seem dear to him, namely to get at the Catholic Church for which he seems to harbour an almost pathological hatred and has attempted to implicate him as a Catholic Bishop in what he terms a polygamous “marriage” thereby bringing into ridicule both the credibility of leadership of the Catholic Church as well as its doctrine on Marriage and the Holy Eucharist.
Archbishop Mpundu described as a myth in the corridors of political power today and yesterday that the Catholic Church is in league with the opposition Patriotic Front. He said that Dr. Chiluba’s unwarranted remarks are a political strategy to attempt to silence the Catholic Church by discrediting it and thereby eroding its credibility.
He said the Catholic Church will not be bullied and intimidated into silence. Archibishop Mpundu said the accusation of involving in partisan politics is a very weak attempt and it will not work, and has never worked.
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Chiluba is the most irritating person on earth. Kukalabakofye. He is just guity of his own infidelity…sure grabing someone elss’s wife causing the nhusband go into serious depression ans sending to SA in exclusion. The man is a Devil and so is RB. Birds of the dsame feathers flock together. Look at their freinds Zuma, Mswati. What are we teaching the future generations. GO CHIPIMO and NAREP. Yes we can!
iwe ka short wayasana. Touch not the annointed one.
Halleyah Amen!!
I don’t why both Chiluba and Sata are involving people who are not part of the silly games they are playing mostly the children and their wivies is not failr at all. As a family man myself i know this is not on children should be protected at costs.
i think there is no need for the bishop to responde to chiluba.the bishop knows who is and the catholic stance in the nation.mature people easiely distingush the wrongs of someone.i think a bishop`s office is so high to responde to petty issues as concerning chiluba and sata.lets talk about progress for a change country men and women.there are a lot of issues affecting the country at the moment.
Ba Bishop Mpundu; what have you said realy ! You did not say anything at all. What are your comments in connection with your Sister to M Sata ? is it true that lady in Ndola your sister ? Does Sata take the Holy Communion as of today? Answer the allegations please ! mwila to shungulusha mu mano. FJT is really a Political Engineer. He has hummers the head at a right time.
according to the Bishop – The petronella issue is over two decades old i.e 20 years, thus the affair occured around 1990 or before 1990. why is it an issue now? someone scared of the cobra?
6#i agree with you.if he has no straight answers…..why did he responde?
I agree with Zambian Samurai, the Archibishop has not really addressed the issues raised by FTJ, he has decided to widen the issue and make it an attack on the entire Catholic Church. Maybe silence was golden in this case, after all.
Is there anything wrong with Chiluba keeping quiet and enjoying his Retirement? Why doesn’t he learn from KK??
Sata fathering two children with the bishop’s biological sister was already common knowledge? No! ba shikofu, we have just learned that aspect thru FTJ’s revealations!:d/
The Bishop has said nothing. This is embarrassing himself.
Instead of answering Chiluba, looks like the Bishop has brought in the Catholic. Was Chiluba attacking the Catholic?
I cant see any reaction here. The heading was supposed to be “Archibishop fails to call a spade a spade” Landeni abana bakwa Sata nga bepwa benu full stop.
time to dig deeper and further in the past…who knows, they might find something that might stick. How sad for them [-(
Kwena…eeh!! Chiluba should leave the catholic church alone!!
UK-Zed Observer what do you want him to tell you?
People so wat if its the Bishops sister. It could be her sister not him nor the Catholic church.
But be carefull his annointed. you will just shame youselves. touch not.
Wise words from a wise man. Lets separate the chuff from the seed. The Bishop’s sister is an adult and therefore he doesnt need to talk about her. Its not his business, THAT IS WISDOM. In the catholic church we accept sinners just like JESUS wined and dinned with sinners in the bible. You who are righteous, where do you belong?#6.8,9,12,13?:-?:-?:-?:-?
Missed Golden opportunity!
The Bishop with all his hyperboles has yet again nefariously failed to redeem and rebuild himself intelligently. Desperately he has only damaged himself and Church beyond recovery. Reading his failed damage control one can vividly see that he has instead exposed his sacrilegious ordination of promiscuity in his Church and family. He has not only betrayed Christ but bruised exposed Catholicism. This is the day in record history that Bishop Mpundu has wittingly forfeited his vows and moral authority for expedience. His only option is resignation. Vigilant people panting for nobility and moral leadership have been betrayed. The embattled Bishop in his mud-spattered reaction has miserably failed test of holiness.
#12 and #13 very right FTJ did not attack the Catholic its bishop Mpundu and his family who wants to hide in the Church
The Archbishop has said absolutely NOTHING! He is just waffling like his brother-in-law, shameless Sata. Maybe the Archbishop has got something to hide about himself.
Chiluba never attacked the Catholic church! So why the hopeless Bishop trying to hide behind the Church?
What about Sata eating those ‘corn puffs’ every Sunday? What does the Bishop say?
Part of Archbishop Mpundu’s statement which LT has left out for unknown reason: “Dr Chiluba also spoke so much about an alleged marriage between my sister and Mr Sata. There was no such marriage, not that I know of. Like I said in the beginning all that was a desperate attempt to link Archbishop Mpundu as his sister to the Patriotic Front. And in any case when did single parenting become an issue? We have so many of our mother who are single parents. Even here where were are I believe there are single mothers. So Dr Chiluba’s statement was carefully schemed to discreidt the catholic church doctrine of the Holy Eucharist.”
How does he sanctify and moralize the fornication of an aspiring national leader who fathers two kids with his sister consecutively out of a matrimonial home yet without self restraint or spiritual restitution? How does he qualify such a pervasive chap for leadership and then he says its an old development and eucharist is fine
Ba Mpundu??? Are you related to the lady in question. Donot run away from the actualities clergyman
The spin and economy of truth being exhibited by the Bishop is worrying. I find that I can respect people more who admit that they may have erred or that they could improve rather than denying the existence of a fault whilst the rest of the world is pointing at it.
FULL SPEECH OF THE BISHOP ON THE POST NEWS PAPER
Bishop you are forgiven for not telling the true in a straight ful manner.
Bishop you are forgiven for not telling the truth in a straight forward manner.
Senior Citizen dont fool yourself by thinking the church is damaged. that is the problem with you. you think the church is competing for anything. if you think the church is going break down, not this once. Am sure thats what you have in your little mind but i have a little suprise for you. Not in your life time. Am sure you wanted the archbishop to say so many things so you could have so many things to say but unfortunately you are dissapointed. Your little schemes will not work because everyone can see through guys. Besides if you go the streets of Zambia they will tell you they dont care about the crap Chilba says. And what test of holiness are you talking about. You think he was on test just because his sister had two children with a politician? My God i think you are very dull man
Like I commented earlier of you lived in Lusaka, Sata’ affairs and other politician is no secret to people. Let us stop being petty. Am not catholic,I have alot of respect and admiration for the work the church does. My father was educated by them, got a good education like many zambians. If they goverment did well, why are fighting for your children to get a place in a catholic school, rushing the sick to their mission hospital etc. Which bishop is supporting sata, all they asking is the improvement and delivery of services to the zambian suffering which is part of their flock. Why support a government, when everyday your flock is in despair of medicines,food,clean water,decent accomodation and wages that should be provided by them. Why do you help? without sorting the root of the…
PRESS CONFEREENCE BY HIS GRACE THE ARCHBISHOP OF LUSAKA, THE MOST REV TELESPHORE-GEORGE MPUNDU.
3rd March 2010
Kapingila House
LUSAKA
1. Introduction
Reference is hereby made to the Press Statement attributed to former President, Dr. Fredrick Chiluba and broadcast simultaneously on ZNBC TV on MUVI TV on Monday 22 February 2010. In this statement the former president mentions my name and the Catholic Church in conjunction with the alleged polygamy of one Mr. Michael Sata, the leader of the Patriotic Front Party (PF).
2. It is very unfortunate that in the fight against his “sworn political adversary” the former president makes insinuations with regard to me personally and casts wild aspersions on the Catholic Church. The comments are unacceptable, in extremely bad taste and…
Senior Citizen@20,22- LT has not released the full speech for obvious reasons- It is in support of Chiluba/MMD. But take it from me the sinful relationships of Catholic priest’s sisters/brothers/nephews/nieces are not confined to Bishop Mpundu only. These priests come from human families and it is not up them to be controlling the behaviour of their biological families-their family is universal and as such they are not allowed to give in to family emotions.
This is the same Bishop who has been on the neck of Arch Bishop Emmanuel Milingo demonizing and calling for his ex-communication for entering into a legitimate marriage yet sanctifying Sata’s fornication. He calls this stand practice in Catholicism that deserves Eucharist. Legitimate marriage of Milingo is being ungodly but Sata’s adultery is within Catholicism??????
where is Margarette Mpundu now she used to be my good friend at chilonga she is a nice lady i dont care what people say i like her.
this bishop is crazy. he has not addressed the questions posed. how come he condones sata’s hypocrisy? this means the bishop is saying there is nothing wrong for a man to divorce and have multiple wives and children?? what a useless bishop
I think its shameful that Chiluba is now trying to bring division in the church.I’m a pentecostal but I think its not right to start pointing fingers at our catholic brothers.I don’t think the Archbishop should dignify Chilubas tantrums with an answer.Those of you who don’t have kids out of wedlock can throw the first stone.We all have skeletons in the closet.If God removes your sins as far as the east is from the west,who are you to start digging them out.There is NO condemnation in Christ Jesus.Mr.Sata, Jesus does not condemn you,go and sin no more.Mr.Chiluba, woe to you if you cause these little ones( weak in faith) to stumble.Its better you tie a rock around you and jump in a river.Repent Sir!
@34 Uli Chipumbu sana- If one is found guilty and sent to prison what follows after serving his term? You actually Catholic but you the silver coin in order to satisfy your greed.
and should be regarded with the disdain they merit. Mr. Sata is a public figure whose “family life” cannot be hidden from the public eye for any length of time. Dr. Frederick Chiluba was therefore not making any new revelation because what he said was common knowledge long before the birth of the Patriotic Front when Mr. Sata was still side by side with him in the Movement for Multiparty Democracy (MMD).
3. Ridicule on the Catholic Church’s Leadership and the doctrine on Marriage and the Eucharist
The question I asked myself is: “Why the so-called revelation which is two decades old at this particular time?” Only Dr. Frederick Chiluba can tell us but it cannot be denied that in his response to Mr. Michael Sata he has accomplished two objectives which seem dear to him,…
Senior Citizen again you show you dullness. Who told you Mpundu pushed for Milingo’s ex communication? Milingo wanted to marry,something that is not allowed in the church. hence he was asked to step down as a priest. he then went on to ordain married priests using the Catholic churches name hence he was ex communicated by the authorities. dont chest people bamudala. mukapya
namely to get at the Catholic Church for which he seems to harbour an almost pathological hatred and has attempted to implicate a Catholic Bishop in what he terms a polygamous “marriage” thereby bringing into ridicule both the credibility of leadership of the Catholic Church as well as its doctrine on Marriage and the Holy Eucharist. There is a further, more subtle insinuation that links a Catholic Bishop, that is to say Archbishop Mpundu, to the Patriotic Front Leader as a “relative” through what he calls “marriage” and therefore one who is at least sympathetic to if not a member of that party!
4. The little that he says about Catholic Doctrine on Marriage and the Holy Eucharist exposes his total lack of knowledge about the subject. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. once said: “Nothing in the entire world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious impetuosity!” The Catholic Church believes in and teaches marriage between one man and one woman which once freely contracted and in accordance with all laid down procedures is indissoluble. The teaching doesn’t change because a close relative of a religious person, a priest or a bishop fails to adhere to it. The insinuation that because my sister is alleged to have “contracted marriage” or cohabited with Mr. Sata, the
Catholic Church condones or even “blesses” it is as speculative in the extreme as it is highly reprehensible. In the Catholic Church, there isn’t one set of laws, rules and regulations for the rich, famous and powerful and another set for the poor and weak non-entities. In the mid 16th Century, King Henry VIII of England wanted a set of rules especially for himself as King with regard to marriage but when the Pope said an emphatic No the king broke away from the Church of Rome to form what is now called the Anglican Church. Dr. Frederick Chiluba doesn’t seem to know or appreciate this historical fact.
to be honest,the bishop did not adress the issues raised.i respect the bishop very much.i think he should ignored this issues,and he should have allowed poeple to judge for themselves.
18. Two weeks ago we entered the Holy Season of Lent which is a special time of grace in which we examine our lives and turn to God for forgiveness. We repeat together time and again the words of our Lord in the prayer of “Our Father” which he gave us: “Lord forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.” On Good Friday we shall hear once again the words of Jesus on the Cross as he breathes his last: “Lord, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing.” This is our prayer and in it lies at the foundation of our Christian life of Faith, Hope and Love.
+T-G. Mpundu ARCHBISHOP OF LUSAKA
ZEC BISHOP DIRECTOR FOR COMMUNICATIONS
3rd March 2010
……to get at the Catholic Church for which he seems to harbour an almost pathological hatred and has attempted to implicate him as a Catholic Bishop in what he terms a polygamous “marriage” thereby bringing into ridicule both the credibility of leadership of the Catholic Church as well as its doctrine on Marriage and the Holy Eucharist…….
Archibishop, I salute you in the name the LORD.
Yes it is true to state that Kafupi harbours hatred towards the catholic church and obviously the Civil Society, for it took the church and the Oasis forum to quash the notorious and unpopular bit for chiluba to go for a 3rd term. Chiluba is a loser big time. The disquieted chiluba’s simply ganged up with shikapwasha in persecuting the church. Simple.
at least the Bishop has given us an incredible insight into his relationship with the late Levy…probably to confirm this is a PF vs MMD drama and he is part of the script !
AP, thank you for confirming that the Bishop spoke nonsense and has not answered the questions. Did the mpundu family welcome sata into their family as a traditional husband through ichombela inganda in kasama recently or did they not? Was the bishop not present during this ceremony and how long has he known about his sisters relationship with sata. WE JUST WANT ANSWERS NOT PERSONAL ATTACKS ON FTJ. FTJ NEVER DIRECTLY ATTACKED THE BISHOP AS HE THE BISHOP HAS DONE. HOW CAN A BISHOP TALK LIKE A POLITICIAN?????
Leave Senior Chitechi alone. For those of you in the know, this is the brother who did the great escape from Chainama Hills Hospital not long ago. You can tell from his contributions that he is a man in desparate need of medical help. Now, Zambia being in a state it in, he has been left to his own devices. No hope in hell that he will get medical help. Leave the senior chitechi alone!
The stories should be about development.All we you have now is iching ears.
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Bashikofu mwalanda. Well said bishop thanks for that
For those of us who are not Bemba, so can someone kindly tell us what ‘chombela ng’anda’ entails?
#6 Zambian Samurai….my question exactly:-?
The duo (chilu and shakas) and many other passive Zambians are cognizant about the History of the Catholic back in time of the Romans. They can’t distinguish the role played by Catholics of today. They can’t appreciate that the Catholics are involved in the communities in the country big time. Though I am not catholic myself, I give credit to them =d> No other church is as involved in community based services as the Catholics, in my opinion. Other churches are only emulating them now.I can’t take that from them.
Having said this,perhaps suffice to say that maybe the church is deep rooted by experience and understanding to the poverty at the grassroots. Maybe that’s why its only them being heard. God knows.
Consequently,it is low of govt (the wolves) to think otherwise.:-??
Been telling you all along. These guys are wicked, immoral – Sata, fatherless Kafupi and all. Get rid of Kafupi – deport him to Congo.
forget about a dying horse and just move forward. The system will always eliminate people, but dont expect them to go without a fight. Lets just forget about this bikering and DEVELOP our mother ZAMBIA
So if Sata eats the Eucharist, is it Bishop Mpundu who gives him or does he even fellowship directly under the Bishops dispensation? Its Sata’s responsibility to know that Im not worth to take this. But according to what I understand the Eucharist represent the body of Christ and it should be eaten to cleanse our sins. Therefore its sinners like Sata who need it more, even. Please lets talk developmental issues we know how pathologically desperate Chiluba is. To start revealing secrets he was privileged to as head of state! How can anybody sink so low.
Guys (politicians) let the church speak. You listen don’t just ask for prayers. Repent. Tithe nga ilechepa, its trouble for the church. If orphans and widows are overwhelming and straining the coffers of the church any reasonable clergy will voice out. Its the poverty levels in the country getting out of hand and so the church must speak.
If a clergy will be stuck at the pulpit thinking God will tell these politicians that enough is enough, such a man of God has gone nuts and crazy. He does not live on earth. Get off the comfort Zone Pastors,Reverends, Elders:-t Its about time.Zambia is finished. Its at the mercy of wolves instead of technocrats. Zambia must be placed in Intensive Care where big brains including the clergy will contribute something meaningful. YABA!![-o<
Chapwa i think now i have stopped contributing over this issue because to me its over. but one thing i have learnt today is that some people just write for the sake of writing. Case in point Senir Citizen who i thought was quite intelligent. But today i have seen he is just a hopless cadre who says anything without thinking. i am really dissapointed with him
the bishop has failed to answer ftj who did not attack the Catholic church. i wouldn’t be surprized to hear that the bishop has a child somewhere as is the case with these bishops and fathers.
Zambian samurai (6) wuli chipuba? wali laba icisungu uku ku Japan waaya? The man has just stated that what Chiluba is beginning to air now is an “open secret” that has been known to Kafupi himself and other people close enough to Chilufya as well as people who have been bothered enough to know. Catholics beleive in the forgiveness of sins so if Chilufya has been remorseful over his indiscretions, why should he not take holy communion. Ba Samurai sharpen your mind and not just your sword
For thosse of you with minds that lack a single ounce of analytical skills. Kafupi did attack the Catholic Church by dragging the Bishop’s name into this whole thing. He should have simply mentioned the fact that Sata has children with a certain Mpundu woman. What was the purpose of mentioning the Bishop’s name?
# 52 Ichombela ng’anda, I would say it’s something similar to a wedding/ come together party where both families interact and get to each other when a couple is marrying.
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Attractive title but article empty of subtstance?
THE BISHOP HAS EXPLAINED EVERYTHING IN POST NEWSPAPER. ANYONE WISHING TO GET SENSE CAN READ FROM POST NEWSPAPER.
The Bishop has missed the point. It is not true that we new about the Cobras infidelity. FTJ has just reviewed it. Just respond Bishop not beating about the bush. Now I fully understand the connection between PF and the Catholic. No wonder any nosense from PF is the Catholics bread and butter. Naleka bukatolika from now onwards. Kanshi !!!!!!!!!
Yaba! Now the Bishop has admitted that his sister is Sata’s second wife or concubine or wapambali. Shame! Imagine what the poor wife Dr. Kaseba is going through just because of the dishonesty of her husband? Now the Bishop wants it to look like nobody got hurt when in fact Dr. Kaseba is weeping and bleeding internally. Its one thing to have an affair, its another to have a child by mistake in an affair, but to continue to see another woman and bear more children whilst married to another is an offence against God. Dr. Kaseba’s pain is being felt by God almighty as Sata betrays his own vows which he promised to keep whilst holding the bible and standing before Jesus. Shame!
Who is this blind man called Senior Citizen? He seems to live in Utopia! Am sure by the time he wakes up from his MMD dream, a shrink will be at hand to make some cool cash!!
Imagine he won the election of 2008. He would have sworn to abide by the constitution holding the bible and yet betray it the very next day. If he can do this to his own beloved wife, who are we?
Clinton almost lost his job because of infidelity. In Zambia, you have a leader who has cheated on his wife, broken his vows and brought two illigitimate children into this world, and people think he will not betray them. What dull people we are. Shame!
Abena George # 22 ati ‘corn puffs’ guys mula ponta zo ona. But on a serios note, I’m not a fan of Sata but how many people in all churches and other religious places partake of the religious festivities whilst openly knowing we have sinned in one way or the other. In the end its not our decision to make judgement. The issue at hand is whether it will make him a good president.So lets decide if a man who cant rule his personal life can be a good leader of a nation.Especially if he’ll have respect of the nation with all his personal flaws. Eg Tiger Woods wasn’t a good husband, but he was best in the world at his job, but would it apply to presido, only people of Zambia will decide in the ballot. Personally, I wish I had better candidates to choose from .As it stands like Danny said…
How many excuses are we going to make for Sata?
Failure is failure. Failure at home is equal to failure at work.
Sata has failed to be honest with his wife.
He has failed to abide by his vows made before God.
He has failed to uphold moral values.
He has failed to be honest with the Catholic Church too.
He has failed Zambia.
But Ralitsa uli wa ka sense boyi ….but what is YOUR view on the issue.Should ba mudala stand? If not , stand …you have my vote
YOU ALL BLOGGERS READ THE BISHOPS’S SPEECH IN FULL. IT IS IN THE POST. MAY GOD BLESS ZAMBIA. JESUS PLEASE FORGIVE US**==**==**==**==**==**==**==**==**==**==**==
Bishop Mpundu has clearly departed from the main issue raised by Chiluba (i.e. Catholic Church’s position on Eucharist -partaking Sata shagging a woman and having children with her when they are not married and while Sata is still married to someone else).
Instead, Mpundu goes all the way into the Ituri Forest, wandering and shooting at anything and everything that he meets along the way (including dead people like Levy) leaving us confused.
This is a really a pathetic performance by Telesphore Mpundu.
its not the Bishops job to pick and choose who eats the “mukate”. If these chaps Sata and the Bishop’s sister na ka mudala ka FTJ have any measure of consciousness, they all know the skeletons in their cupboards so they make their own choices and are answerable for their actions. So Bishop chill and get back to your sanctuary. Amen
#6, I echo your sentiments. I think that ba bishop has been caught napping. What has the bishop really said? If now the bishop confirms Sata’s relationship with his sister and that it is 2 decades old, then he must answer why he as senior a bishop as he is or is supposed to be, has allowed Sata to continue receiving holy communion. The way telesphore has responded is hollow, but that is what I expect of him. The question is not about the relationship but why Sata continues to receive holy communion against church rules. IIf any senior bishop reduces himself to Post’s chola boy and to allow his name to be abused by the Post the way telesphore has, then he does not want the public to respect him. These allegations are about telesphore mpundu, let him leave the Catholic church out of this.
Bishop,
You’re talking about the truth but you cannot even address issues!!!??? Shamuneni bane …..!
Where the fck will this issue take us? Whether he has 20 wives or 50, who cares? Chkalar Chiluba maybe has evenn 50. Let the bishop be. Stpid fuls
#65, Reading that toilet paper? you must be joking, after all the statement was probably prepared for him by the Post. LT’s summary from QFM is good enough for me and that is what I have responded to. The bishop has just exposed himself on all fronts including his political sympathies. Do not play with God, bishop, more shame is coming your way.
#63 Many thanks for the explanation. Does this mean that the court case against Chiluba brought by Sata is now null and void as he has accepted the allegations that Chiluba made about Sata having children out of wedlock?
This is the very reason why I personally would not vote for Sata. His big mouth would put Zambia in problems and we would spend all our energies trying to rectify his gaffes if he was elected. Why did he start talking about Chiluba when he knew he had skeletons in his closet? Also, Chiluba did not ‘steal’ anybody’s wife. She left of her own accord. Regina is an adult woman. What she does about her own life is her own indaba. Yes she was married to Mwanza but she was not his property for her to be ‘stolen’ by Chiluba.
“Archbishop Mpundu said Dr.Chiluba was therefore not making any new revelation because what he said was common knowledge long before the birth of the Patriotic Front when Mr. Sata was still side by side with him in the Movement for Multiparty Democracy (MMD).
Archbishop Mpundu questioned why the revelation which is two decades old can be made now.” And what more do you to hear from the Bishop! He says is an open secret! Bushe ninshi tabalandile? Be reasonable people!
Chiluba should be careful in his political fights with mr Sata, he should not involve and disregard the big institution like the catholic church, coz he chiluba is too small to handle the catholic church, the church can deal with him at anytime and make him suffer for the rest of his life. fight with Sata and dont involve the church.
The Bishop has only exposed the worsening moral crisis his leadership has brought to the Zambian cathoLicism.
#83 Not all of us knew about Sata’s extra-marital activities. That being the case, how could he justify sitting in judgement against Chiluba? Is it not Jesus who said ‘let the one who is without sin cast the first stone’? Lets not try and dress things up to exuse Sata’s behaviour. He brought all this upon himself because he is unable to control the drivel that comes out of his mouth. So if his case against Chiluba goes to court, how exactly is he going to defend himself?
12. When the late president died ZNBC TV organised or was made to organise a live discussion on the “legacy of the deceased president”. The Chair of ZEC requested me to take part. I declined to do so because Mwanawasa saw me, a Catholic Archbishop, a supposedly paid up PF member as his enemy number One. It would have been hypocritical on my part to appear on ZNBC TV to heap praise on someone who sincerely believed the Catholic Bishops, I particularly, hated him. Secondly, the so-called “legacy” is a figment of some people’s fertile imagination, a creation of a clique of people with vested interests in retaining or ascending to political power. The only legacy I know is that once elected into power our leaders become arrogant and intransigent. They want us to shut up, sit up and…
A true Catholic Bishop, but the bible talks about forgiveness.
The Bishop has just blessed adultery as a catholic norm that need not restitution but reward with nation leadership. Next time this Mpundu with his hearsay will desecrate the bible and replace it with his moral departure.
FJT was responding to Sata’s attack on his marriage and his Christian life. What Sata forgot is his life has never been clean like having kids outside marriage. Remember “Do not throw stones if you live in a glass house”.
This is a half a story. To get the full story, see the Post website. LT is now just pedler of half baked ZANIS articles. Might as well be renamed Times of Zambia.
A full speech of the archibishop’s press conference is available on the post newspaper. In it he does explain in detail. The speech is long and before we judge him over this little statement I urge you all to go read that speech, It is rather long too. The post will later post a video of the same as stated on their website. Happy reading.
People who believe that the Bishop did not address the issues are just being as petty as Chiluba was in holding his press conference. References were made by Chiluba to bring the catholic church into disrepute and the Bishop decided not to get personal but deal with these issues from the standpoint that any leader worth his salt should take. Personally, I applaude him for not turning this issue into a spectacle and not giving some bloggers more ammunition to continue contributing below par comments that do nothing to enhance quality debate and provide practical insight to how we can move our country along. I used to be a regular contributor to LT and it is comments like the ones that I have seen on this blog that remind me why I do not bother anymore.
“the so-called “legacy” is a figment of some people’s fertile imagination, a creation of a clique of people with vested interests in retaining or ascending to political power. The only legacy I know is that once elected into power our leaders become arrogant and intransigent. They want us to shut up, sit up and put up. It is on the wings and the ticket of such a non-existent “legacy” that they were ushered into power and today they are there.” Bishop Mpundu.
WHY DIDN’T THE BISHOP ANSWER THE QUESTION WHY MR SATA STILL EATS THE EUCHARIST WHEN HE HAS SIRED CHILDREN OUT OF WEDLOCK? THAT, WAS THE QUESTION. Instead, the man goes into a diatribe against Evangelical Christianity and Mwanawasa and all previous governments!
Senior Citizen
I have always ignored contemplating on your postings. But now i feel compelled because you have shown gross ignorance on this matter. The speech clearly implies the fact that is not in living in concubinage with the said lady and that IT is COMMON KNOWLEDGE about the children. Meaning the mistake done by the two has been corrected. S/he can not be condemned as perpetual sinners only fit for hell. They are now good christians like you and me. So chapter is closed. I think the rest of the speech is too high for you to understand. It touches issues on Human Security and Political Cultural Violence in Zambia to be brief. These are issues you can not dispute. S. H. I. T
The Bishop is useless ,he looks more of a politician than Bishop,yes now we know that you are the chief sponsor of PF using thugs like father Bwalya in Kitwe .Mpundu stop hiding behind that white collar of yours if you want be matched equally join your brother inlaw’s party.Can the Fred Mmeembe investigate some of these so called clergy’s after dark life ,you’ll be shocked to learn how many kids some of these outspoken Bishops have secretly with those women who dance for them in church.
I have a lot of respect for the Bishop as a Catholic but then why did he not address the issue of One Michael Sata eating the Eucharist? Cos it was an “open secret” the he has kids outside marriage ans cheated on his wife!! I read his briefing in The Post and gives no answer.
Zambians should not vote for any polygamous president, what an example…. some tell me how we r going to combact AiDS..
Sata is does not deserve to be president on moral grounds, ends will never end!!!
No 6 can you read the article one more time? It seems you are MMD or you used to get brown envelopes from kaka fupi. Chiluba must shut up and go to hell. He has stolen our money,he has stolen someones wife and he stole the state house tunnels as well as the fredom he is enjoying now. What else does he want to steal, more over he is congolese. Chiluba can you do Zambians a favor by staying away from our sight.
Bishop Mpundu,your tone is very very unchristian i wonder what you preach from your pulpit .Shame on Dr Kaseba i thought you were a woman of high moral standing ,but your silence on this matter and the fact that you have continued to live with this unfaithful man happily raises more questions than answers.Sata’s first wife, Ms Manda was highly principled when started seeing you remember when you were an intern at UTH she left him ,so that she can be a happy professional person.Look at women like Tiger Woods’ wife whats wrong with you?
Zambians should not make a mistake South Africans made they busy regreting,please Zambians do not vote for a man with immoral behaviour like Sata.Look at Zuma ,they do not stop even when they become presidents ,less than one year in office ,he’s making headlines for wrong reasons already.
#91 and # 92 We know you are journalists from the Post,you want us to be sourcing news from your dedicated insulting paper.we are tired of insults thank you .You can read yourselves and watch those useless videos about your Bishops after all you are the same with the same trouble makers.
The Bishop Mpundu has behaved very badly and his response is quite childish. As a church leader he must be seen to be protecting the sanctity of marriage but alas the man has forgotten his calling. The bible which he professes clearly states in Hebrews that the bed of marriage should not be defiled. Which part of that verse doesn’t he understand? This is what happens when a man has tribal considerations ahead real important issues.
Hopefully Chiluba can now release the full dossier on Sata.
# 103 I doubt if ever Mpundu reads and later on understand the Bible ,he reads something else.Just a reminder be careful Mpundu you might end up like Pius Ngube in Zim you are not infallable!
Chiluba mwaume.Sata defeated 2-0
Imwe ba kolwe, just leave the bishop alone, he’s not aspiring for any political leadership position nor was he fighting that migget. The migget got it all wrong by drawing innocent pipo into his political circus.
Whether the bishop’s sister is married to Sata or they have children outside marriage or even Sata taking the eucharist is not an issue here. A lot of you bloggers supporting that migget are dimwits yourselves, just because you can afford to blog and have a decent 3 meal/day, you pretend to forget what that shorty-bunyani has done to our state coffers. Remember, most of your relatives are destitutes because of that migget and you are there blinded by your immediate comfort. What the Catholic church is speaking for is the plight of all the peace loving Zambians. Mwendoshi!!!
Bloggers espcially nos.20,22,23,34 and 75. I think you guys need to be seriuos when commenting on something serious. We know that you are not doing this out of your conscience but may be some chap called Kafupi or Mulongoti paid you something. The Bishop has put it clearly that the rules of the church concerning marriage have not changed neither are they going to change simply because one is a realtive to the Bishop or not. What he is saying here is that the church recognises marriage of one man and one wife. In this case he acknowledged that What Mr Sata did with his is not mariage neither does support it according to the church’s doctrine. Mr Sata is not a priest or Bishop as you put it. A wrong is a wrong and if that wrong is done by Sata or anyone it still remains a wrong.
Continued. The most reverend explicitly put it that Mr Sata has children with his sister but what has to do with him as a Bishop. Why should Kafupi bring the name of the Bishop in the affairs of his sister? This is the reason why the Bishop answered that the intentuion of this Kafupi Chiluba Titus Jacob Fredrick Mpundu has hidden agenda to bring the name of the church in riducule. The Bishop rightly puts it clear to him that he is too small to tarnish the name of the church. Let play his dirty politics with Sata and not the Church. Sata had children with a woman who is not married not someone’s wife as the case with Kafupi. Imwe bene which church do you go to which allows you grab other people’s wives? Why did Vera refuse to greet Kafupi and his so called wife?
Ichombela n’ganda is a traditional wedding
“Dr Chiluba also spoke so much about an alleged marriage between my sister and Mr Sata. There was no such marriage, not that I know of. Like I said in the beginning, all that was a desperate attempt to link Archbishop Mpundu as his sister to the Patriotic Front. And in any case when did single parenting become an issue? We have so many of our mothers who are single parents. Even here where we are I believe there are single mothers. So Dr Chiluba’s statement was carefully schemed to discredit the Catholic Church doctrine of the holy Eucharist,” Archbishop Mpundu said.
Bembas, bembas,bembas.
Lest we forget, does anyone remember one FTJ taking the Eucharist at St Ignatius, think it was funeral of late Dean?
Thanks The Lady for the explanation of Ichombela n’ganda to us none-Bembas by tribe but Bembas by Speech.
Impressive enough, Mr FTJ Chiluba just issued simple questions and both Mr PF Sata MC and this archbishop T. Mpundu have failed to respond but are busy producing non-issues and running away from what is required.
How I wished Mr George Mpombo, Hon MP, was going to respond to “Secondly, the so-called “legacy” is a figment of some people’s fertile imagination, a creation of a clique of people with vested interests in retaining or ascending to political power” since he is in the forefront in protecting the Mwanawasa Legacy.
Have a nice day all.
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Matt 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be…
#61 kwindi kodjo, To say that Sata can continue receiving holy communion because the Catholic church is a forgiving church is not correct. That the Catholic church is a forgiving church may be true but it has nothing to do with catholic rules that require that someone cannot take communion if he has publicly known (sexual) relationships outside his marriage. It is similar to a catholic priest who decides to marry, the rules do not allow him to continue with his priesthood. Whether the church has forgiven him or not is immaterial.
People have to be very careful with the former head of state. This is one man who has cheated his way through life. Come to think of it we do not even know his real name!!!!
84, so you are saying the Catholic church should not be criticised even if they are wrong because they are powerful? Your posting sounds like a threat on behalf of the Catholic church, very unchristian I would say. But then no one is criticising the catholic church, we are talking about a senior custodian of Catholic doctrine failing to uphold the very rules that are entrusted unto him. Much like a guard who steals the goods that he is entrusted to guard.
113, one blogger referred to that story and that Chiluba was roundly criticised for that. So what is your comment?
91, 92 The is a fundamental difference between the Post and the Times of Zambia never mind each paper’s bias. The Post writes stories and the Times writes reports. To simplify matters for you, a story contains the opinion of the author, while a report states things as they are. LT quotes reports (Times, QFM, Reuters etc) so that bloggers can have a free opinion. Of course they will quote the Post too if there is a report to quote
111 That Telesphore statement is shocking, are you sure that you have quoted the bishop correctly?
Please bishop, there is no issue with single parenting until such parenting is with a partner who is married to another woman, and then you want to atake eucharist. Catholics, how can you allow telesphore to disgrace and desecrate your church like this? The man is simply not fit to be in that position.
IMWE BAKOLWE READ THE REAL STORY ON THE POST WEBSIT, WHAT YOU HAVE ON LT IS JUST A SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE ORIGINAL STORY. THEIR THERE ARE ANSWERS
121, You have never heard of a summary? Can you state that what LT has quoted is wrong?
#23 thanks for that correction,read that in the post my friends
122 na namba 6 mulu mashilu, what 122 is saying is that actual facts have been left out bt LT not summarized. Read the post
# 122 you dont want to know the real facts, you want to remain in Bliss, what is on LT is completly diffrent to what is in The Post. in The Post its stated That Sata is not married to the sister to the bishop, what else do you wan to hear???????????/
There is a whole Press release in the Post News Paper,those of you who attacking the ArchBishop should be ashamed of your morality.The answer which you want is there,YES,SATA has children with the ArchBishop’s Sister.How Sata fathered those Children is what Chiluba should tell us,because the Catholic Church does not turn away someone who has commited a SIN.If the incidence happenned before Sata got married,then why should it be an issue now.How many of us have had sex before marriage?.Even Chiluba,how many women did he sleep with?,Let him tell us,Regina is number what in marriage?.Where is Chiluba’s first wife,second wife?,what happened?.Chiluba is too foolish to be supported.
Simon Kabanda like the embattled and disgraced Bishop Mpundu is a signatured PF cadre glued by tribalism and utopia.Going by his irrelevant role in this country all chronicled since multipartism, Elias Chipimo should ignore him because Kabanda like Mpundu who has sanctified adultery and polygamy speaks for the Sata/Mpundu family. How does this Simon Kabanda expect moralists to serve under hazadiously promiscuous polygamous leadership spirit and value system? Kabanda denouncing innocent Elias Chipimo has surrendered his spiritual conscious needlessly to tribalism.
Here they have eluded the most important facts, and those of you who have read the artical on the post and dont want to agree with what the Bishop said then your minds are as small as FTJ’s and his flock, which means there is no point in arguing with you.your small Brains are limited to the money you get from Alaabee you refuse to know the truth you choose ignorance which is sweet for you right now but will be painfull later when things change. Your men of God dont have the best history at all I have said it DAN PULE WHAT DID HE DO AND WHAT CHURCH DOES HE BELONG TO???? FTJ WHICH DOES HE BELONG TO, IN YOUR CHURCH DO YOU ACCEPT GRABBING WIVES, SHIKA THE SLEEPING BEAUTY. Mwachepa compared the catholic church so dream on
Ba Bishop, we now know where your loyalties lie. You were hoping that aunty Kaseba gets divorced ka petronella becomes first lady and you first uncle. Mawe yafauka mwaiwelamo ba Bishop. You should have been the first to condemn Sata for going back to ntwenu again and again and again, paka he made two children. Thats a sign that Sata was enjoying ntwenu there, and wanted to establish a home. If this were a pentecostal issue, we would handle it very differently, we acknowledge wrong first and then ask for forgiveness, thats what he should have been preaching, now you see why they say Catholics are fake, its just like this, this is the same CHANGE in this so called SATA you want. This is prostitution at the highest order, been encouraged by the church.
129 ulichipuba sana, people you cant stoop so low. debate based on facts not on religion
like someone has said Chiluba has had plenty of marriages, Pule has had plenty and they are not cathoilic but since it si sata and he is catholic then it becomes an issue
so lets put objectives to our comments
😮 Ba sata is just crazy Mpundu oso,pliz jst liv Ba Mwine Ba FTJ.He IS A FREE MAN FOREVER WTHA U LIKE IT OR NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!REPLY 2 ME I SHOW U DAT HE IS FREE
PRESS CONFEREENCE BY HIS GRACE THE ARCHBISHOP OF LUSAKA, THE MOST REV TELESPHORE-GEORGE MPUNDU.
3rd March 2010
Kapingila House
LUSAKA
. Introduction
Reference is hereby made to the Press Statement attributed to former President, Dr. Fredrick Chiluba and broadcast simultaneously on ZNBC TV on MUVI TV on Monday 22 February 2010. In this statement the former president mentions my name and the Catholic Church in conjunction with the alleged polygamy of one Mr. Michael Sata, the leader of the Patriotic Front Party (PF).
2. It is very unfortunate that in the fight against his “sworn political adversary” the former president makes insinuations with regard to me personally and casts wild aspersions on the Catholic Church. The comments are unacceptable, in extremely bad taste and should be regarded with the disdain they merit. Mr. Sata is a public figure whose “family life” cannot be hidden from the public eye for any length of time. Dr. Frederick Chiluba was therefore not making any new revelation because what he said was common knowledge long before the birth of the Patriotic Front when Mr. Sata was still side by side with him in the Movement for Multiparty Democracy (MMD).
3. Ridicule on the Catholic Church’s Leadership and the doctrine on Marriage and the Eucharist
The question I asked myself is: “Why the so-called revelation which is two decades old at this particular time?” Only Dr. Frederick Chiluba can tell us but it cannot be denied that in his response to Mr. Michael Sata he has accomplished two objectives which seem dear to him, namely to get at the Catholic Church for which he seems to harbour an almost pathological hatred and has attempted to implicate a Catholic Bishop in what he terms a polygamous “marriage” thereby bringing into ridicule both the credibility of leadership of the Catholic Church as well as its doctrine on Marriage and the Holy Eucharist. There is a further, more subtle insinuation that links a Catholic Bishop, that…
4. The little that he says about Catholic Doctrine on Marriage and the Holy Eucharist exposes his total lack of knowledge about the subject. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. once said: “Nothing in the entire world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious impetuosity!” The Catholic Church believes in and teaches marriage between one man and one woman which once freely contracted and in accordance with all laid down procedures is indissoluble. The teaching doesn’t change because a close relative of a religious person, a priest or a bishop fails to adhere to it. The insinuation that because my sister is alleged to have “contracted marriage” or cohabited with Mr. Sata, the Catholic Church condones or even “blesses” it is as speculative in the extreme as it is highly…
5. The Catholic Church and successive Zambian Governments
As regards Chiluba’s linking of Archbishop Mpundu with the Patriotic Front, it is a myth in the corridors of political power today and yesterday that the Catholic Church is in league with the opposition. During the colonial era, especially the Federal Administration, the Catholic Church was regarded as “always sympathetic to and siding with the Natives”! Natives meant black Africans. In the One-Party Second Republic there was only UNIP and the Catholic Church was regarded as simply the “Opposition” and we were subjected to horrendously hateful media editorials from the government owned and only tabloids allowed apart from the very weak and now defunct “National Mirror”. Strangely the same government owned media to…
to date have little if anything positive thing to say about the Catholic Church unless it is said by a minister at a Church function. As soon as the MMD was born, the UNIP government branded us as sympathetic to the MMD threatening us with unspecified reprisals if they were retained in power! Today the MMD is in power and their song is, as one of the most prominent Catholics has put it: “The Catholic Bishops are always on the side of the opposition.” The Catholic Church Leadership is not on the side of the opposition but on the side of TRUTH. When the MMD was in opposition the Catholic Church, Fr. Umberto in particular with his “Ichengelo” News magazine published in Chibemba, was their champion. Immediately the MMD came to power the Catholic Church became the “Opposition” and…
the Catholic Church became the “Opposition” and enemy number One. Fr. Umberto became a “persona non grata” and now it is the turn of Fr. Miha to be a “persona non grata”! We Zambians have a very short memory indeed. The only reason why the Catholic Church is vilified by any government of the day, British or our “Liberators” who quickly turn into our Oppressors is that in season and out of season the Catholic Church continues to announce the TRUTH.
6. The role of the Church in a modern world
The song of constant accusation of the Catholic Church Leadership as involving in partisan politics must stop once and for all. We are sick and tired of listening to it and it is positively revolting. It is sickening because we have explained time and again that we as a Church leadership are neither partisan nor interested in political power, not even by proxy. Using the words of my brother Bishop, Paul Duffy of Mongu Diocese: “It doesn’t make sense, it is totally illogical.” It is sickening because the accusation is a desperate but futile attempt to silence the Catholic Church on matters it has the right and duty to speak about. This is a quotation from the authoritative teaching of the Catholic Church as it understands itself and its…
teaching of the Catholic Church as it understands itself and its mission in the world: “The joy and hope, the grief and anguish of the people of our time, especially of those who are poor or afflicted in any way, are the joy and hope, the grief and anguish of the followers of Christ as well. Nothing that is genuinely human fails to find an echo in their hearts of the followers of Christ, who, united in Christ and guided by the Holy Spirit press onwards towards the kingdom of the Father and are bearers of a message of salvation intended for men and women. That is why Christians cherish a feeling of deep solidarity with the human race and its history” Vatican Council II, Pastoral Constitution on the Church in the Modern World known as “Gaudium Et Spes” paragraph 1.
7. Therefore, everything that affects people’s lives is of immense interest to the Catholic Church. It therefore has not only the right but also the duty to contribute to the debate without the sickening comment that we are being involved in “politics”! There is little that is not political. Everything is political: food security, health care, education of our children, social and economic justice for all etc. We have a right and duty to call the leaders we put in power to account and that doesn’t mean we want political power. The government should rejoice if people are interested in what they are doing. It is a very bad sign when people remain mute when decisions which affect their lives are made by those they put into office. It is a sign of a dead nation. It is sign of a…
It is sign of a dictatorship and an enslaved population. The government of the people, by the people and for the people should and must engage citizens who put them into power in political debate at all times as a matter of right not concession. The electorate who put political leaders into power have the right and duty to hold the same leaders to account not at the end of their term of office but from the word go. Only a very insecure government is afraid of its own shadows, its own people and is allergic to criticism
8. Our role as citizens
As citizens, therefore, we have every right to comment and critique whatever our government does. It is our government and it is there for us not for itself. Every decision the government makes affects our lives in one way or another, for better or for worse. We will, therefore, not be bullied and intimidated into silence! The accusation of involving in partisan politics is a very weak attempt and it won’t work, it has never worked. The other attempts, for instance to discredit and/or eliminate individuals will not work either because the Church is not just one individual but the Family of God with a mandate to proclaim the Good news. In this it is unstoppable.
9. We encourage our faithful to take part in the political process by joining political parties of their own choice. We as Leadership of the Catholic faithful are not king makers who tell our faithful what party or individual to vote for but we do give guidelines as to what kind of leaders they should vote for in order to exercise their choice responsibly as a Christian duty. We are proud of and cherish the diversity of political opinion and affiliation among the Catholic faithful and that is how it should be. We don’t believe in the so-called “Christian” political parties because history shows that they have not worked and they don’t work. The Catholic Church is the hardest critic of these so-called Christian parties found in some European countries. It is wonderful to note that…
It is wonderful to note that the Catholic Church, in spite of the diversity of political opinions and persuasions among its faithful remains very much united notwithstanding constant attempts by the political powers-that-be to divide it.
10. Archbishop Mpundu is not a member of the Patriotic Front (PF)
In the MMD, to which Dr. Frederick Chiluba belongs and of which he has re-emerged as a very vocal spokesperson, the name of Archbishop Mpundu is sung even more than those of other bishops. He is regarded as “PF Bishop” number 1. This is, of course, preposterous but this is what the MMD believes and says. Dr. Frederick Chiluba’s successor in State House openly accused Archbishop Mpundu of being partisan at a meeting on the matter of the Constitution with Catholic Bishops in State House in July 2007, just three weeks before the ordination of Bishop Alick Banda in Solwezi. He cited “Intelligence sources” that had kept reporting to him that Archbishop Mpundu was a member of the Patriotic Front. If this is the type of…
If this is the type of muck the “Intelligence sources” can come up with, then “Intelligence Sources” is a phrase that covers a multitude of sins. I shudder to think of what else they have manufactured in the past and what they can genetically engineer in future against the government’s real or perceived enemies, particularly during the run up to next year’s elections.
11. On 15th September 2007, there appeared the now famous article entitled “Mpundu laughs” in one of the private daily tabloids. The then Head of State was visibly incensed when soon afterwards he gave a press conference dedicated precisely to Archbishop Mpundu offering him a law lecture at State House! What people should understand is the background to the president’s fury. For late President Mwanawasa it was not a matter of the ZEC input on the Constitution making process as explained by Archbishop Mpundu when he was the ZEC President. The late President saw it as a personal attack on himself as MMD leader and President by Patriotic Front member and Catholic Archbishop Mpundu. It was a dramatic display of raw intimidation and acrimony which led to hateful anti-Catholic utterances…
anti-Catholic rhetoric of the politicians. Our stand has been vindicated by the way this august body has conducted its affairs with regard to the Constitution making process. In February 2008 the late president was to completely stun the Catholic Bishops when he told them at a meeting in State House, “Why do you hate me? I paid for two of you to go to the funeral of your pope and you still don’t like me?” The matter of the Constitution is not a personal issue but a national project requiring all stake holders to be brought on board
utterances by politicians in the print and electronic media and even in the National Assembly debates. That is why on 22 October 2007 I called a press conference to reiterate and explain the ZEC stance on the National Constitutional Conference (NCC) and to decry the anti-Catholic rhetoric of the politicians. Our stand has been vindicated by the way this august body has conducted its affairs with regard to the Constitution making process. In February 2008 the late president was to completely stun the Catholic Bishops when he told them at a meeting in State House, “Why do you hate me? I paid for two of you to go to the funeral of your pope and you still don’t like me?” The matter of the Constitution is not a personal issue but a national project requiring all stake holders to be…
to be brought on board.
12. When the late president died ZNBC TV organised or was made to organise a live discussion on the “legacy of the deceased president”. The Chair of ZEC requested me to take part. I declined to do so because Mwanawasa saw me, a Catholic Archbishop, a supposedly paid up PF member as his enemy number One. It would have been hypocritical on my part to appear on ZNBC TV to heap praise on someone who sincerely believed the Catholic Bishops, I particularly, hated him. Secondly, the so-called “legacy” is a figment of some people’s fertile imagination, a creation of a clique of people with vested interests in retaining or ascending to political power. The only legacy I know is that once elected into power our leaders become arrogant and intransigent. They want…
They want us to shut up, sit up and put up. It is on the wings and the ticket of such a non-existent “legacy” that they were ushered into power and today they are there. Exploiting and adding to the people’s emotionally charged grief they campaigned on “continuing the legacy” of Levy Mwanawasa. No wonder there is little, if any agreement at all among the architects of this fictitious legacy as to what this elusive “legacy” really means.
13. Religious Bigotry and Fundamentalism as a threat to Global Peace
In the world today, it is widely agreed that the greatest threat to global peace is not poverty or nuclear arms but religious bigotry and fundamentalism. A look at what is going on in the Middle East, the suicide bombings carried out in the belief that death in the process of killing or trying to kill an enemy one who is opposed to one’s religion guarantees the crown of martyrdom. The relations between two neighbouring nuclear powers of India and Pakistan convince one of how precarious the world stage is right now. The African Continent has examples of religious extremism and its lethal consequences in countries like Algeria, Nigeria, Somalia, Kenya, Uganda, and Sudan. Should some religious radicals get hold of…
hold of weapons of mass destruction then only God can protect us from an Armageddon!
14. Only some months ago, this nation listened in bewilderment as a
Minister of Religion a pastor who also happens to be the Minister of Information and Broadcasting Services, on the floor of the National Assembly, departed from his allotted task of telling the nation the root cause of political cadre violence and how to arrest the situation. He went on to attack the Catholic Church, not just in Rwanda but all over the world, accusing it of masterminding the genocide in Rwanda, telling the world that our faithful are Catholic but not Christian! He ridiculed the Catholic Church and made the Catholic faithful in this country, objects of scorn and hatred for the rest of the Zambian population.
14. The Catholic faithful are still apprehensive and very angry. Some of them feared for their lives; they were afraid of being assaulted by those who may have been led to think that the Catholic Church is “murder incorporated” as Dan Brown’s notorious “The Da Vinci Code” insinuates. Many wanted to stage a peaceful countrywide demonstration but we persuaded them not to resort to such action. It would have been playing in the hands of the government who would have deployed soldiers with orders to shoot to kill and later blame the demonstrators as having provoked the shooting. To date this man, a Reverend Pastor, the preacher of hatred in the National Assembly against Four Million Zambian Catholics, remains unrepentant and in his privileged government position. During Dr…
During Dr. Chiluba’s administration, one of his senior ministers called the Catholic Bishops liars after they published a Pastoral Letter. We demanded an apology from him but we never got it. Only Dr. Chiluba apologised on his behalf in private but the apology was never published. There are many Catholics in the MMD and many Catholics voted for the present government and the president but the government they voted for has remained silent in the face of their humiliation and vilification. To date we have not heard any word from the highest authorities in the land about this deplorable affair.
15. Last week we were witnesses to the utterances of Frederick Chiluba. Isn’t he a preacher of some standing and in high demand to preach at services in some Churches? Wasn’t he anointed as soon as he went into State House? Didn’t he stun everyone by waking up one day and declaring Zambia a “Christian” nation? Evangelical, Council of Churches in Zambia or Catholic Christianity?! and making sure that the declaration was put in the Constitution preamble? He, from a vantage point, poured scorn on Catholic Doctrine and the most Sacred of practices, maligned its leaders and got away with it. We Catholics don’t go about burning cars, destroying buildings and property or threatening death to those who publicly disparage our beliefs. Our faithful feel humiliated and once again are…
who tells you the post is the one is giving the correct picture. LT also published the statement. Post have just added words because even themselves they are mebarrased because has attacked the so called legacy. its interesting to see what post will say since the bishop directly attacked levy and one wonders why he brought levey into the picture when in actual fact FTJ did not talk about levy at all. shows how much the catholics hated levy and also that they are all PF cadres
Our faithful feel humiliated and once again are very angry. They are even angrier because we don’t seem to have the machinery and financial muscle of our aggressors with their command of the mass media to swiftly counter such spiteful attacks. I urge them to remain focused and not to allow themselves to be disturbed by statements meant to mislead and discourage them. They know what we believe in and what our faith asks of us so they should not be worried.
16. Conclusion
In conclusion, Former President Dr. Frederick Chiluba’s remarks concerning Catholic Marriage, the Holy Eucharist and the insinuations I have mentioned are not just a casual and off the cuff stuff. They are a carefully planned and craftily accomplished phase of an orchestrated campaign against the Catholic Church which is wrongly perceived as the obstacle to certain people’s ascendancy to or retention of political power. In a way we are quite flattered to be attributed such tremendous power which we don’t have and certainly which we don’t want to have. Jesus rejected all power and yet it is in his powerlessness that he redeemed the world
17. Dr. Chiluba’s unwarranted remarks are a political strategy to attempt to silence the Catholic Church by discrediting it and thereby eroding its credibility. It is a futile exercise because it will not work. Our Catholic faithful and many people of Zambia can see through this very clearly and I dare say that they are not at all amused. The campaign for the 2011 general and presidential elections started with the demise of the previous president. It should not be surprising if similar or even worse attacks come our way in the run up to 2011 elections. Our faithful should not be afraid because the Church’s weapon is the greatest and deadliest, namely the TRUTH. Truth is another name for Jesus Christ who said he was THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. The TRUTH will set us free. It is…
catholics are full of hatred from the crusades to the genocide in rwanda. dont try to be sanctimonous here. the catholic church is an evil force all over the world with abuse of little boys and girls, nuns and many other atrocities committed all over the world. we will not allow them to do the same to our beloved zambia
It is this weapon that our antagonists are afraid of and they don’t want us to proclaim it but woe to us if we don’t proclaim the Good News.
18. Two weeks ago we entered the Holy Season of Lent which is a special time of grace in which we examine our lives and turn to God for forgiveness. We repeat together time and again the words of our Lord in the prayer of “Our Father” which he gave us: “Lord forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.” On Good Friday we shall hear once again the words of Jesus on the Cross as he breathes his last: “Lord, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing.” This is our prayer and in it lies at the foundation of our Christian life of Faith, Hope and Love.
amuna just shut up. you think we like it when foolish priest like father bwalya insult daily and threaten that zambia must change or die!!! come one whose fooling who???
+T-G. Mpundu ARCHBISHOP OF LUSAKA
ZEC BISHOP DIRECTOR FOR COMMUNICATIONS
3rd March 2010
THAT WAS THE PRESS RELEASE BY THE ARCHBISHOP
KING SOLOMON,YOU ARE THE ONLY FOOLISH KING I HAVE EVER COME ACROSS BECAUSE WISE KINGS WILL READ CAREFULLY BEFORE THEY YAP!.SO,U & KA CHILUBA,IF U ARE USED TO STEALING RESOURCES,YOU WILL DIE PAINFUL DEATHS,GOD DOESNT LIKE THIEVES AND CRIMINALS
#116. Right on!!!
ba bishop-you are simply acknowledging ubuhule in your your family ayi??? its ok mwandini..
Pa last Ba Bishop baza tukwana, ka! Tewakukonkelesha FTJ.
#167 King Sol0omon- Kachiluba received the Catholic holy communion while LPM was alive in the hope that the stuff would bring him devine luck.
I am sick and tired of catholic priests playing the holier than though game when they are are full of dirty secrets. We know of many priests who are womanizing and even sleeping with other peoples’ wives. No wonder the catholic church has failed to condemn Sata. It is high time we stated to defrock the wolves in the sheep’s skins by publishing what we know about them in the name of speaking for the poor.
Amuna we dont want your pasting here. We read the bishops speach on the post and he said nothing to wate much space here. Why did he attach the dead Levy? Why did he attach the evangelicals? He was supposed to answer chiluba and he failed. Sata’s infidelity was not common knowledge. We did not know about it. We know about Kafupi’s and Pule’s. why did the Post that digs deeper not reveal it?
it seems alot of u bloggers want the bishop to tell the nation about sata’s private live. being a man of God he knows that it will just cause HAVOC.
dont attack the catholis priests because in your churches that’s where many hypoctrites are found.
A lesson for adulterous Sata
MAZABUKA MAN HACKS ‘ADULTEROUS WIFE’,CHILD TO DEATH
A 25 year old farm driver of Wellington farm in Mazabuka has brutally murdered his wife and his one year old child before he hanged himself after he allegedly found her red-handed committing adultery with his work met in his matrimonial home.According to an witness who is also the deceased man’s nephew Enoch Siabula, the incident happened on yesterday around 15:00 hours when the deceased man Josias Siabula, a driver under feedlot department at Wellington farm caught his wife with his work met committing adultery in his bedroom.
The witness said his uncle who was supposed to knock off around 19:00 hours every Wednesday was released earlier than his usual time due to the heavy rains but that he…
Siabula said his uncle’s anger deteriorated when his wife wanted to run away after she realized that her man-friend had escaped forcing the angry man to take action.
He said his uncle got a hoe from the corner of his house and chased after his wife Agnetus Siabula and hacked her in the head several times crashing the skull.
He said after killing his wife, Josias got a knife and stabbed himself in the head in a bid to take his life but that he couldn’t die immediately.
Siabula said he tried to stop him from taking his life but that the deceased warned him not to go close to him forcing him to run away for his life and stood at a distance.
He added that his uncle went back to his house and got his 1 year 8 months daughter named as Shimbi Siabula and told her that he would…
He narrated that driven by uncontrolled anger; Josias went into his house and got a rope which he used to hang himself at a tree near the area were he laid the two bodies that he murdered.
He said he quickly reported the matter to his boss who rushed to town to inform the police.
And a check at Mazabuka district hospital around 19:00 hours were the bodies were taken for certification revealed that the child sustained a big deep cut on the back of the head while the woman had his whole head smashed.
After the certification, there was a delay to deposit the bodies at the mortuary as it was realized that the watchman who knocked off around 18:00 hours had gone with the mortuary keys to his home.
Unusually quiet on the Sata front. What is going to happen next? Does he still need to sue Chiluba seeing as though the allegations Kafupi made have been borne out?
Why has this become a Catholic issue. Wasn’t FTJ addressing Sata? Please leave the catholic church out of this. I am not catholic but I just feel dragging the catholic into this is missing the point. Even if catholicsm was mention by Chiluba, anyone who read FTJ’s speech saw that it was all about Sata.
The Bishop should have kept quite. Involving himself in this rhetoric may not be wise or advisable. Especially that he doesnt seem to have answered Chiluba on Sata. Sata and Chiluba are petty. I stand to be corrected.
AMUNA, I HAVE READ THIS STATEMENT OVER 10 TIMES AND THE BISHOP HAS NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION’ DID MICHEAL SATA AND THE BISHOPS SISTER CONDUCT A TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE CEREMONY OR NOT? IF SO WHY IS SATA STILL EATING EUCHARIST?
# 180 Shimwalule
Sata will not sue Chiluba. He has everything to lose while FTJ has none. Mark my words.
After all, FTJ talked about councils. Look, Sata has already held meetings with PF mayors as a result. FTJ is too clever for Sata.
I STILL STAND BY MY ASSERTION THAT BISHOP HAS EXPOSED HIMSELF TO MORE ISSUES THAN HE HAS ANSWERED
ROMAN Catholic Church Lusaka Diocese Archbishop Telesphore Mpundu yesterday failed to explain the type of relationship between his sister and Patriotic Front (PF) leader Michael Sata but admitted the two have children.
Archbishop Mpundu could not also justify whether it was a marriage or not.
He however said that the Catholic Church did not bless marriages involving more than one woman.
Speaking at a Press briefing in Lusaka yesterday, Archbishop Mpundu said he saw nothing new in the revelations by second Republican president Frederick Chiluba that the cleric’s sister had children with Mr Sata.
He maintained that the Catholic Church did not have different regulations for the rich or the poo,r but that the principles and regulations were applied equally to all members
The cleric said that in fact the claims that Mr Sata had children with his sister were not a new revelation as the opposition leader was a public figure, whose life could not be hidden from the public for a long time.
He said the issue of the children with his sister should be known to Dr Chiluba from their past interactions when the two leaders were close associates.
“Dr Chiluba was not making any new revelations because what he said was common knowledge long before the birth of the Patriotic Front when Mr Sata was still side by side with him in the MMD,” Archbishop Mpundu said. Archbishop Mpundu, who is also Zambia Episcopal Conference (ZEC) Bishop Director for Communications said the remarks by Dr Chiluba on marriages in the Catholic Church and the Holy Eucharist was an orc
LUSAKA Catholic Diocese Archbishop Telesphore Mpundu has missed an opportunity to set the record straight on the relationship between his sister and Patriotic Front (PF) leader Michael Sata in which two children have been sired.
Just when the nation was waiting for the archbishop to clear the air and rest the matter regarding Mr Sata’s relationship with his sister, this was not to be.
While Archbishop Mpundu admitted during a Press conference attended by PF and United Party for National Development Members of Parliament that Mr Sata had sired children with his sister, he failed to state categorically the nature of the relationship.
The nation was waiting with bated breath to know whether the bishop approved or disproved of this relationship even though it involved his adult siste
Instead, the Catholic prelate was quick to absolve himself of blame or even responsibility, preferring to call the “contracted marriage” as “speculative in the extreme, as it was highly reprehensible”.
Call it by whatever name, but how possible is it that Archbishop Mpundu would not be in a position to know if his own sister was married or not?
By creating a murky picture about a relationship involving his own sibling, he has only succeeded in building on the speculation.As a senior member of the clergy, Archbishop Mpundu has a duty to uphold the rites of the Catholic Church.The Catholic Church is strict and guards jealously its doctrines, and the archbishop himself yesterday stated that the church “believes in and teaches marriage between one man and one woman which once fr
Even the question of Holy Eucharist is common knowledge that not just anybody can partake of it, and sanctions apply to members who fall into sin.
Outsiders are excluded from it completely and it is not negotiable.
Former Republican president Frederick Chiluba sampled part of the venomous backlash when he took the Holy Eucharist.
Therefore, it is rather a feeble attempt by Archbishop Mpundu to evade the real issue and try to pass the buck to the local parish priest to deal with.
And even to accuse Dr Chiluba of waging an orchestrated campaign against the Catholic Church by raising issues of marriage and the Holy Eucharist lends credence to the saying that attack is the best form of defence.
Over 32,230 viewed the article. Only 184 comments.
Just shows that people are hungry to know the truth. May be the Bishop’s sister should have a press conference of her own to settle the matter.
Is she married to Sata. Or is Sata eating forbidden fruit. And is he still doing it, while eating Eucarist? Is Sata, an aspiring presidential candidate for Zambia, a polygamist or just immoral?
The Bishop has not told the nation. So far, 32,230 want to know on LT blog.
181, Yes the issue was about Sata, but “somehow” it has tickled the right honourable bishop telesphore. And by not answering the questions he is adding fuel to fire, raising more questions, and confirming many suspicions. He has left us in suspense and now we want to hear more, please.
these are the proper opinions of people who think and analyse not emotional standard six PF cadres. Dont just take what lies Post feeds you read other papers as well like Time sof Zambia you get a more balanced point of view than the useless homose….. paper post supported by fellow homo…… priests that abuse altar and choir boys
we want to know the truth. if the bishop says sata’s issue is well known why the fuss then??? why not answer directly the questions and admit where you are wrong. FTJ has lit a fire that will not be extuinguished and the bishop if he had any moral;ity should relinquish his position because we can never trust his utterances. he will awlays be seen as sata’s mulamu. Now we know why the catholic church did not support mazoka at all. instead they backed sata a well known tribalist and polygamist
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#125 Okay now we know everything that “bishop” said, but the questions to the bishop have not changed. The questions still beg for answers.
THE TRUTH WILL ALWAYS SET PEOPLE FREE. AND THE IS WHAT WE SHOULD ALL BELIEVE IN. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS POWERFUL SPEAKS THE TRUTH, ANALYSIS ISSUES IN THE LIGHT OF FAITH. PEOPLE WE ARE POWERFUL, WATCH OUT WHAT IS COMING. WE ARE THE VOICE OF TRUTH. HAVE YOU WONDERED WHY SOME SOME SECTION OF THE POLITICAL PARTIES ARE AGITATED. THEY KNOW THE STRENGTH OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS EVERYWHERE, IN PLACES WHERE THE POLITICIANS ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH, IN THE DIASPORA OF OUR NATION YOU WILL FIND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD ABOUT THE SMALL CHRISTIAN COMMUNITIES AND LIBERATION THEOLOGY. READ ABOUT THE TWO AND YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH. EXAMPLES SEE HOW POWERFUL THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS IN SOUTH AMERICA. THE TRUTH IS HERE AND IT HAS COME TO STAY.
Ba king solomon ;;; are you perfect in anything you do? It s like u are judging others. i get it you are not a sinner. And i am telling u God will punish you for that.
The Bishop is not “the sister to the bishop”. He stood on his own to speak for him self. why did chiluba include the bishop and the catholic church in his speech??? and i think we have to respect the elders in wat ever we say. Wat truth do you want? lets have a gap between church and politics..RESPECT man otherwise khaya
Regarding #194 Correction – Sorry! Date is 12 March NOT April.
Mpundu has put the Zambian catholicism in disrepute and it will never be the same again.Why does Sata take the Eucharist if he has done the things that have since become public? Here the Catholic Church and Sata himself are in the dock. I will attend mass at St Ignatiuos this Sunday to see if Sata has repented. How does a dead man such as LPM hold on to power? Archbishop Mpundu had hatred for LPM in a way I can’t understand. He hated LPM for locking up prominent Catholics such as Richard Sakala, Faustin Kabwe etc. The Catholic Church has solutions for problems of governance in Zambia but it has none for problems that it faces itself such as widespread homosexuality, illicit sex between priests and nuns, and sodomising young boys.
Now over 33,000 have viewed the article looking for truth.
Zambians are entitled to know whether their presidential candidate is a polygamist, or simply a womaniser having children all over.
Is Sata a polygamist?
The issue of whether people knew about Sata’s b*st*rd children is a non-starter. Infact it makes the position of the church even more untenable because they have been condoning behaviour contrary to the teachings of the church for a very long time. Again, this brings into question Sata’s judgement capabilities because why throw the first stone when you are a sinner yourself and act wounded and victimised when your immoral behaviour is brought out into the open.
Since Bishop has not answered us, will will conclude that Sata is not an upright individual, and that Catholic church support was influenced by Bishop’s hope that he will be first Mulamu or fisrt ubcle, when Sata becomes president. This Bishop should be questioned, how could he not denounce Sata for returning again and again to his sisters ntwenu, untill two children were bor, Bishop, you have a lot to answer you are too close to the adulterous individuals by the name of Sata running for president and one Petronella who had no respect for aunty Kaseba. Petronella has to talk we have o know what she looks like so we can protect other women and maybe us men could also make use of Sata’s concubine. Petronella should prosecuted for marriage interference, I will inform aunty K to do so.
But How can she have two children with such an agree man? He might be a political heavy weight but he is very agree. Abanakashi nabena. tabakwata nomwenso kwena. Ichikote Zoona.
are we gonna eat this …?kafupi die …
What damage has been done to the Catholic Church kanshi? The Catholic church is a sleeping Giant MMD shouldnt mess with it because it will bring them down to their knees, watch this space.
#196 the catholic church is not powerful but criminal ln many respects
Excerpt from Bishop’s words
“Dr Chiluba also spoke so much about an alleged marriage between my sister and Mr Sata. There was no such marriage, not that I know of. Like I said in the beginning, all that was a desperate attempt to link Archbishop Mpundu as his sister to the Patriotic Front. And in any case when did single parenting become an issue? We have so many of our mothers who are single parents. Even here where we are I believe there are single mothers. So Dr Chiluba’s statement was carefully schemed to discredit the Catholic Church doctrine of the holy Eucharist,” Archbishop Mpundu said.
Chiluba and those who are hoping with joy over his press conference are palying with FIRE. Aikata apakulu. The goodness is that he is already forgiven for he does not know what he is…
“Today the MMD is in power and their song is, as one of the most prominent Catholics has put it: “The Catholic Bishops are always on the side of the opposition.” The Catholic Church leadership is not on the side of the opposition but on the side of TRUTH.” Bishop Mpundu said.
If Banda and his campaign manager Chiluba are truthful they will be friends with the Church of Christ (catholics) but if they are not TRUTHFUL… they have a reason to concoct stories to cover themselves and in the end expose themselves more.
The woman is the only person who knows the father of the child. All men just believe that they have sired children. Ask the women, they hold the most important secrets. All of you thank, your fathers that you were accepted as their children without any evidence. Even Sata these kids may nor his own, To put more simply. WE DO NOT KNOW OUR FATHERS, ONLY THE WOMEN KNOW THE FATHER OF THEIR CHILDREN.
#209 Sata accepts them as his children. If there is any doubt he can go and have a DNA test. Your argument does not make any sense in this day and age. The fact still remains that he was having unprotected extra-marital affairs which means that he was putting his wife in danger and was not abiding by the teachings of the church to which he belongs. If he was aware of his behaviour, he should not then sit in judgement over Kafupi or anybody else for that matter and try and paint himself as being holier than thou when he patently is not.
this story was already in the public damain so there is nothing new . whats wrong to have children outside wed lock? in modern time 1/ 100 is pure. most people have children outside married is there wish. Viva sata viva pf Your status would not make us change our mind .let them talk and at the end they will stop.
I do see some Catholic Priests adulterous relationships will now be exposed on a daily basis. Mpundu should have kept quite. You dont mix politics with religion. Chiluba has absolutekly nothing to loose. Wait for his reply when he comes back and see who will be bruised more! If Milingo can say he never knew how nice it was to have sex withe a woman ….who are we to laugh at him…
The reaction from Sata and Bishop is what FTJ was looking for. As most bloggers have said, the bishop must not hold press confes attended by PF, Mpombo, etc. And why not speak from the parish… why to the hotel.. hey Bishop stick to the pulpit.
What a hollow and thoughtless speech from an archbishop! Bafeecolour mwanya you will be exposed in your fornication and adulterous double lives. Don’t mess with master dribbler. Now that the chief priest has blessed fornication and adultery can all the priests and nuns show us their children as single parents?
# 211 Linda
“In modern time 1/ 100 is pure. most people have children outside married”
Many Zambians will disagree with you. To the contrary people who have children outside Zambia are the few. The majority of people are dicent. Just look at every street in Zambia and count how many houses have men who live adulterous lives.
Aldultery is wrong, that’s why people hide it. A child deserves to grow up in a family environment with father and mother unless misfortune befalls them. It is wrong to uncontrollably sire children you will not be there for. No child should be a bastard. If you want to have children, for their sake, marry so that you can provide a suitable environment. Even a bird makes a nest. Children are human beings, not by products of illicit s e x. Sata is wrong.
# 215 correction
2nd line should read “…………..people who have children outside marriage are fewer, than those who live dicent lives and only have children with their spouses.”
# 209 KAILI
“WE DO NOT KNOW OUR FATHERS, ONLY THE WOMEN KNOW THE FATHER OF THEIR CHILDREN.”
This is only true where a mother is promiscuous. Well over 95% of mother are not promiscuous.
Chi priest chi mfwiti. Mpundu has personalised all those grey clothed nuns! That is why he defends Sata if you ask me why.
plz stop attacking the bishop. if this is wat chiluba wanted by involvin the bishop in his PB, then he is cursed. chiluba has brought confusion in this country and this will see him off….
som of u bloggers have gone beyond borders…dont talk about the things you do not know about the catholic church.
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