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PF will use PVT system

Headlines PF will use PVT system

Patrotic Front leader Michael Sata

Patriotic Front leader Michael Sata has accused the ruling Movement for Multi party Democracy MMD of panicking ahead of the forthcoming tripartite elections.

The PF leader said the MMD is condemning the parallel vote tabulation (PVT) because they fear losing the general elections to the PF.

Mr. Sata however stated that the party will use PVT in the coming general elections adding that he is ready to be arrested.

The PF leader said there is nothing wrong with using the PVT and dared chief government spokesperson Ronnie Shikapwasha to arrest him.

Mr. Sata wondered why the MMD have suddenly decided to abolish the PVT when it has always been used during elections.

He told QFM that no law stops a citizen from knowing the preliminary results of elections.

QFM

52 COMMENTS

  1. PVT is the way forward and all the opposition parties should make sure they use it for a proper accountability…in my opinion ECZ can no longer be trusted to produce fair electtion results

  2. Go to parliament and get a legislative vote for it to become constitutional act. Otherwise, that is extra-constitutional vanity option devoid of legality. If illegal, it would never deliver your much dreamed for ballot verdict. Mandate is a constitutional issue which is announced by a constitutional electoral body. As long as Zambian is constitutional democracy, ECZ will announce the ballot verdict then give it to CJ who confers the mandate to the winner.

  3. Both the constitutional court and statutory electoral body-ECZ will just rubbish whatever your Kaponyas on the illegal PVT will cheat you with.

  4. Senior Citizen,

    Check this from Wikipedia:

    The Parallel Vote Tabulation (PVT) is an election observation methodology that is employed for independent verification (or challenge) of election results. It involves observation of the voting and counting of ballots at the polling stations, collection of official polling station results and independent tabulation of these results, parallel to election authorities. If the PVT is performed on statistical sample of the polling stations, it is called Quick Count.

  5. Organizers from the Philippine National Citizen Movement for Free Elections (NAMFREL) are widely recognized as the pioneers of the quick count, or parallel vote tabulation (PVT), in emerging democracies. During a 1986 election for President, NAMFREL attempted to mirror the official count of all 90,000 polling stations. They performed a remarkable task in collecting data from the majority of polling stations, and they were instrumental in helping uncover the massive vote counting fraud attempted by Marcos supporters.

    Does this look like an illegal activity to you? Personally, I would encourage all the political parties competing in the tripartite elections to use PVT. Let us see how many of us will be arrested on election day!

  6. #4 YOU ARE ALSO AS SCARED AS MMD, YOU DONT NEED LAW TO REPORT ON THE RESULTS. HIS SYSTEM IS NOT TAKING THE MANDATE OF ECZ NO!!!! ITS MORE LESS LIKE ME AM AT VOTER CENTER IN LSK, MY FRIENDS ALSO DOING THE SAME IN ALL THE PROVENCES, NOTHING CAN STOP US FROM UPDATING THE RESULTS COLLECTED COUNTRY WIDE FROM BEING PUBLICISED AS LONG AS THEY HVE BEEN DECLARED BY RETURNING OFFICERS. YOU CHAPS U AR JST TO DULL. THAT Y SHIKAPWASHA ALSO ACTED IGNORANTRY ON MUVI TV GOING COUNTRY WIDE HE FORGOT THERE IS TECHNOLOGY AND NOW THEY AR WORLD WIDE.

  7. There is nothing alien or unconstitutional about PVT. It will be done with or without rupiah

  8. Does Mr.Sata ever give original policy ideas or he just goes against anything the ruling party says.Sir WE want to know what your policies are so we make an informed decision.

  9. the old guy wants state house at any cost.its like saying we need a paralel police service,army,civil service!!!!!!!!!

    zo ona ni Empty Drum

  10. RB, VJ, Munkombwe, AKA, etc got their power when they were youths. Youths triumphed in Tunisia, Egypt, and still fighting for their power in Libya, Yemen, Cote’ D. If these guys dribble us alas ni ka AK 47 chabe. Nikuliza ma popcon.

  11. “Mr. Sata wondered why the MMD have suddenly decided to abolish the PVT when it has always been used during elections”.

    My question is to all PVT advocates. If PVT has been used b4 and u always lost, what makes u think the elections will be rigged this year? Ba mambala…just accept it…MMD will win period

  12. The wishful crusade for PVT in this election is spoiled and advancely rendered irrelevant. As such, in Decision 2011 proposing it hold as unacceptable because evidently here it has been promulgated, represented and conspiracely stuffed by a legion of acrimonious cadres inimical to the enduring peace, democracy and constitutional rule of our country.The case for Phillipine and Ghana does not hold here because those behind PVT there have been independent pro-democracy activists impartially implementing it where as here its a legion of anti constitutional nihilists who happen to be signature political cadres. I challenge anyone here to point at any pro-PVT who is not certified political cadre with a trail of extra-constitutional nihilism.Just name one so that we can reflect.

  13. Who will clear the air about PVT ? The President, ECZ and MMD are adamant against it. Is it possible the Chief Justice can clarify ? We do not seem to have many institutions left to trust.

  14. Whether PVT of not NO PF. Sata & Late Chitalu Sampa (MHSRIP) betrayed countrymen during independence struggle by taking the position of whites and kusontelela ayake. He is the only one of their time without a freedon fighter medal/insignia. We cannot entrust him with this country he hated from inception. If a mambala like Chiluba cannot trust Sata then us the noble should not dare cast a vote for him.

  15. PVT is transparency, simple but as is evidenced so many a times this MMD Gov is not transparent at all. We have gone back to the UNIP days with this RB.

  16. I have a comprehensive list of all cadres behind this nonsense and indeed those designated to make appointments of fellow cadres as PVT monitors. They are certified mono-directional political cadres with proven passion for anarchy, extra-constitutionalism and protruding ignorance on the law. All of them as Gold diggers have no loyalty to the country and its democracy.

  17. One zambia one nation says there is one thing that will never cease to amaze me about the kaponya party and their counter party fatherless you know,they like jumping decieving themselves that they will this election and their language is babalic one that cannot be allowed to enter state house.Hence we need to elect new blood in the system not people from kaunda to date then that is not change but change of faces from this mudala to another mudala no.we need HH this time around to bring the needed change.VIVA HH.SATA BYE BYE.HERE COMES HH.

  18. MMD and it’s people are scarcely cats, they know that their time is over and Sata is coming after them. What are the youths of Zambia doing? Youths you need to wake up and exercise your RIGHTS than complaining and whining about Jobs, Schools funds, food, while you see MMD taking everything away from you. ACT and show your voices.

  19. SENSE MR PRESIDENT!! WE ARE READY TO BE ARRESTED TO PROTECT OUR VOTES AND WE WILL FACE ARRESTING OFFICERS HEADON BECAUSE THEIR IS NO LAW THAT PROHIBITS PVT. YOU WILL SEE WHAT WILL BECOME OF THOSE ARRESTS.

  20. IF YOU DONT TRUST SATA THAT’S NOT OUR PROBLEM BECAUSE WE ALSO DONT TRUST YOUR RUPIAH.SO GOAND VOTE FOR THE PERSON YOU TRUST,YOU CAN CHOOSE SIULAPWA,MAGANDE,CHIPIMO,COSMO MUMBA,MIYANDA,MILUPI,RUPIAH,HH etc.SIMPLE
    BUT IFWE NI SATA COME WHAT MAY.
    VIVA SATA 2011.

  21. Why has PVT become an issue now? Listen bloggers we do not need permission from rupiah & his cronies to undertake this transparent exercise during this year’s election.

    We are just informing him that this is what we will do…period! whether he agrees or not is inconsequential to our cause

  22. Anyone can win as long as the ECZ is credeble. I support any system that is going to enhance transparency and voter confidence so if aspirants are worth it, they will go through

  23. Ba Senior Citizen, sometimes it is just better to keep quiet. Especially when you know in your heart that there is nothing wrong with PVT. You people do not consider ordinary Zambians as having a stake in their own country. All ordinary Zambians crave for is transparency. The ECZ is not very credible. Also, the fact is Banda is sleaze ball who we must all guard against.

  24. Tell the electorate what your manifesto is, instead of championing a cause that wont happen.I challenge the PF to publish its manifesto for us to know what they want to do for this nation.UPND’s asking for this document fell on deaf ears leading to the dissolution of the pact.It amazes me to see grown ups falling for this con grandpa’s rehetoric without ever seeing his manifesto.

  25. You cannot just change the Rules of Engagement. To those that want to follow blindly on what SATA is preaching, save yourselves the energy and study this subject matter with an open eye.

    Sata do your homework before you mislead your followers again. You just came out from non-starter Pact. I am inclined to think that you really do not understand what this is all about.

    Go to Parliament and get a mandate, let it get into the constitution and then you will have an argument to tell Zambia to have PVT. If the constitution says so, there will be no one that cannot stop PVT; even RB would be a f.ool to do so. As it stands, time is not with Sata.

  26. If in GOD’s agenda MR SATA is to be PRESIDENT,it will be so.Who ever knew that Mwanawasa or RB would be presidents for ZAMBIA.KULIBE,so dont undermine anyone.we dont know maybe in GOD’s CALENDA you are to be a minister or even a PRESIDENT…And plse DONT INSULT MR SATA,he is a FATHER and PARENT.RESPECT ELDER PIPO GUYS,tomorrow its you to be insulted…I support the PVT system for checks and balances.Remember MAZOKA and SATA have there VOTES STOLEN BEFORE.today it may be HH,so dont blame SATA.Why is MMD against it?Why are you SCARED ba MMD?

  27. #31..Independent Observer

    One does not need a mandate from parliament or rupiah to consent to it for PVT to be undertaken.

    There is currently no element of illegality with PVT. Its has always been done. therefore, no rules are being changed

    Hope the MMD, devious as they have always been do not rush some piece of law through parliament to criminalise it

  28. Panting for PVT here is a “self-delusional ruckus” orchestrated by a small league of doomed anarchists.

  29. With the PVT this is MMDs very last term.. With or without pact, PF IS FORMING government. Thanks to Magande and Milupi who will split votes in Southern and Western province respectively. Which will DISadvantage the MMD. And advantage the PF. Upnd has gained ground in N.western province. They wil be neck to neck with mmd becoz the person who ALWAYS delivered N.western province to the mmd is No more(TETAMASHIMBA mhsrip) Bear in mind that ther was only 35000 vote diffrence between pf and mmd. We shall get those votes back. Lusaka, Northern and copperbelt are highly populated provinces. Provinces tht are territories of the Pf. My prediction/analysis is PRACTICAL and LOGICAL. So guys those of us who are supporters of PF have nothng to worry about. Upnd supporters are the ones at a loss.lol.

  30. SATA you are no more mdala. You totally screwed it by assuming that you could win without HH. Now, stop bringing chaos to this country just because you at the very end of your life-span. Zambia is bigger than an individual. You must accept when it is time for you to go. In fact leave the PF to younger leaders who are more in touch with reality. The PF will largely lose elections because of YOU!!!!!

  31. Now that the so called PACT has perished and Empty Drum Cobra is now convinced that state house is pipe dream they looking for way out.

    No Empty Drum Cobra No PF.God forbid individualistic parties.HH also has to step aside.

    Ba makaka imwe.

    Viva Soya

  32. #37 dont talk like that. if mmd has been playing a clean game they cant complain. Sata won even the 2008 election jst bcoz the system is not transparent. we want this system which has been recommended by advanced countries like USA to be used. any other method no matter what is liable to manipulation no wonder this movement for mad dogs is crying……this yr mmd kuya bebele viva pf watch the space but donchi nakubeba

  33. The emphasise on PVT clearly shows just how non credible the Electral Commision of Zambia (ECZ) is. The Zambian people have long lost confidence in this MMD system of cooking up figures that we will instead just resort to guiding our votes instead of relying on you.

    I dare any dull MMD fellow from Rupiah himself to all other minions including Senior Citizen, that this year will not be Childs play. We will crush whoever will try and cook the figures up. Wina Azalila…….. No more s’tupidity and mediocrity.. which we have stomached and enough for that matter.

  34. These MMD fulls want PF to publish it’s manifesto in which media and for who and at whose expense?
    WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO BE TELLING THE PF WHAT TO DO AND WHEN TO DO IT?
    IF ZAMBIA IS A DEVELOPED COUNTRY AS MMD CLAIMS,WHY PANIC OVER PVT?
    MMD BE WITH YOUR LIP AND PAPER DEVELOPMENT
    IFWE NI SATA AND PF COME RAIN COME WHAT WEATHER.
    FA MUKOLO COME 2011.

  35. Tekako naiwewe Mwandi. You for have worked hard Mother Zambia you deserve to be President of the Republic. Others (Chiluba cikala) have just come, stolen and left as if nothing happened.

  36. Bella you are a very dangerous girl. How can you talk like that about the future president of Zambia. Are you Zambian or are you from Zaire? Ukukashika ububi like Tarino. Usuba Jaribu.

  37. 33# Nshi Sunda Chisunde Sunde Kano Fye Mu Muntu

    Where in Zambia has been doneor used before.

    Article 76 of the Zambian Constitution mandates ECZ. Therefore, ECZ cannot change the Rules of Engagement. To do so an Act of Legislative has to be raised by the Lawmaking Vehicles. The only body that is “solely mandated by Law” to announce the elections out come is ECZ. And not by any other External-Body, Aliens or NGO….

  38. My question to all ,Why suddenly MMD takes stand against PVT ? this has always been there during our past elections… Sata seems to give MMD taugh time.Watch this man,full of political experience.

  39. #46 independent observer.
    I refer you to # 47 as well.
    probably the misunderstanding is emanating from the misconception that PVT will unsurp the powers of ECZ and start announcing results.NO

    What is critical here is to safeguard and avoid manipulation of votes after they have been counted and the time ECZ announces them. In the past things have happened in between transmission and time of announcement.

    So PVT helps to keep that manoeuvring in check

  40. Ba Chilufya bakaamba besu, who IS panicking?
    My isue with PVT is that we no longer have impartial and credible NGOs. The ones championing PVT can actually cheat to get what they want, like their teacher the Post.

  41. Again we are arguing on what I consider to be a small issue (PVT). we must be careful,these are small things that have made us to loose popularity as MMD.If PVT has been used before and we came out as winners then why can’t we just say yes to PVT, so that we prove to the pipo that we are popular and pipo vote for us becoz of our sound policies. lets not argue and lets shift our focus on re-gaining the lost popularity.it cannot be denied that things are not ok for us and we have lost 4 seats so far.solwezi central,mumfubwe,chilanga and mporokoso.we need to work hard.

  42. #50 you are right in calling this a small issue. i dont think its prone to misuse. i don’t understand why as people can form a quick concesus on this issues. everyone irrespective of our political views love our country so i dont think the advocates of pvt solely want to dribble anyone. these ideas are born from the luck of confidence in the appointed supervisors of election. PVT will strengthen ECZ actually

  43. A Zambians have realised that RB is worse than Chiluba, he has gone all the way to usurped the legacy of the LPM who dragged him out of his farm and forms an alliance with FTJ who his predecessor tormented for corrupt practices.

    Look at how many prominent politicians supported him in 2008 but have now cast a vote of no confidence in him. MMD kuya bebele

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