HERITAGE Party president Brigadier-General Godfrey Miyanda says he is against the 50 percent plus one vote threshold for a winning presidential candidate.
And Gen Miyanda does not agree with Colonel Panji Kaunda’s endorsement of Patriotic Front (PF) president Michael Sata for the republican presidency.
Featuring on Hot FM radio on March 24, Gen Miyanda said he is opposed to the 50 percent plus one threshold because its arithmetic is undemocratic.
“I know Zambians will hang me for saying so but I feel they should give me an opportunity to explain our concerns. For me, if 50 percent plus one can solve our problems, let’s go for it but I don’t believe it can solve problems like hunger, shelter and so forth,” he said.
“If there are two million registered voters and all of them vote in an election for one past the post and I lose by one vote, for me that is democratic because two million people participated. If we follow 50 percent plus one and of the two million registered voters, only one million vote, according to the system, of these one million votes only the valid votes will count. That is why I am against it,” Gen Miyanda said.
Gen Miyanda said the other reason he is opposed to the threshold is the prospect of having a re-run if none of the top two candidates manage to get 50 percent plus one vote.
[pullquote]“You don’t vote for somebody because he is popular. You vote for somebody because you believe that person will do what you want him to do for you. You vote for somebody because you accept what he stands for. Even if you give him two or three votes, you will be satisfied that you made a correct decision but today, we are being told to vote for those who are popular,” he said.[/pullquote]
“At the moment, I am sceptical about the whole idea of having to hold another election if the two candidates fail to reach the threshold. If you are holding another election and you delay to form government, it means maybe you don’t even need a government because life is going on, whether people are voting or not,” he said.
Gen Miyanda said the 50 percent plus one is a controversial and contentious topic and he is aware that some Zambians will not agree with his views on the issue.
He opposed the idea of picketing Parliament as a way of pushing for the inclusion of the 50 percent plus one vote in the new Constitution.
Gen Miyanda said members of Parliament are like judges who should not be forced to make decisions in favour of certain individuals or organisations.
He also welcomed the re-appointment of Justice Irene Mambilima as Electoral Commission of Zambia chairperson. Gen Miyanda believes Justice Mambilima’s return to the commission will enhance the management of the electoral process.
“I have appeared before her and lost some cases. She is good and she is articulate in her field,” he said about Justice Mambilima.
“One problem we have in Zambia is that we can’t give credit where it is due. There have been great strides at the commission,” he said.
And Gen Miyanda said he does not agree with Col Kaunda’s conclusion that Zambians should vote for Mr Sata because of his popularity.
“You don’t vote for somebody because he is popular. You vote for somebody because you believe that person will do what you want him to do for you. You vote for somebody because you accept what he stands for. Even if you give him two or three votes, you will be satisfied that you made a correct decision but today, we are being told to vote for those who are popular,” he said.
Meanwhile, Gen Miyanda said the collapse of the PF-UPND has confirmed what he said earlier that the alliance would not go anywhere.
He said the botched pact reminds him of a parable of a man who marries a woman without first assessing her abilities to perform the chores expected of a housewife.
[pullquote]“We did not leave the MMD. We were pushed out. At that time, I was MMD vice-president and General (Criston) Tembo was MMD national trustee. I have no hatred for Mr Sata although he got rid of us from the MMD because we were opposed to proposals for a third term for President Chiluba,” he said[/pullquote]
“I said publicly that they got married first, then they started finding out whether this partner can cook, or sew or do this and that. These are things that have created problems. There is nothing wrong with pacts, even the military is very familiar with pacts but they don’t embark on them carelessly. You must have your own objective about what you want to achieve and what the other person wants to achieve.
“I am vindicated because I spoke about it some time back. I said the alliance will not go anywhere because of the method used to come together,” he said.
Gen Miyanda said selfishness usually plays a role in the demise of such alliances.
And Gen Miyanda dismissed assertions that he does not want to work with fellow opposition leaders. He said he can only work with leaders he agrees with on key national issues.
He said Mr Sata played a key role in expelling him and 21 others from the MMD when the PF leader was national secretary of the ruling party.
“We did not leave the MMD. We were pushed out. At that time, I was MMD vice-president and General (Criston) Tembo was MMD national trustee. I have no hatred for Mr Sata although he got rid of us from the MMD because we were opposed to proposals for a third term for President Chiluba,” he said
[Zambia Daily Mail]
Miyanda you are the next president.You are very right Sat is a thug who should never be trusted,a political Prost!tute to sum it up.He will never rule zambia abepelefye nobukote kwat nindoshi pamenso
Good man general. Join hands with HH.
This is the very reason why this finished politician will NEVER be president of Zambia. The things that come from his mouth never ceases to amaze me. I think Miyanda lives in a world of his own. He is not up to reality. The people of Zambia have failed to understand him becomes of his dream life. Sata talks about the real problems facing the people and thats why Zambians like him. I sympathise with you general.
Just join MMD General. I think there are more good chances for you.
Oh, now I know two things are definitely going to happen this year
1) There will be a presidential elections
2) MMD will win by a slender victory again-39%
How do I know? Well simple..It is because this relic spoiler has come out of the woodwork to make noise through the media , am sure with a belief that Zambians will vote for him after being silent all these years. Isn’t this man a general and why is he so poor at strategic planning. Is strategy planning one of the these the basics they teach in the army? And didn’t he do his military training at the British Royal Sandhurst Military academy?
What has happened to this man, the so called best President Zambia will never have?
I rest my case
The general is just attacking PF because he is not popular. You are just jelous of Sata and PF. Ati heritage Party, does this party even exist?
GOOD MORNING Mr Miyanda, You Have Awaken from the Slumber!!! NOOOOOO!!! I think go back to your sleep!!
A manifest of wisdom and patriotism at best. Salutation Miyanda!
Miyayanda can work very well with HH
BA GEN, YOU HAVE SAID IT SO WELL, THIS BUMPUNUNGU,nobukote kwati nindoshi pamenso will never be president of zambia. How can a five sensed zambian vote based on popularity,is that the criteria we will be using? Only damn crazy voters will do such a horific mistake!
General Miyanda can you tell me where in the world a less popular president has ever been elected over a popular one? Gen you are an embarrasement, actually you embarrassed your self when you soiled your self when KK arrested you and put you in a sack
Democracy is not a system of tribal collutions but best choice voters settle for. The winner takes it all is not only cost effective, but best way of have the best choice from any competitive race without stiffling popular choice in diversity through collusions and deals.
Well, what can one say to a person who owns a personal party? Whilst the 50 + 1 might not be the end in itself, he is so out of step on other issues raise. This is no time for sympathy and the raising issues that he has never raised in more than 10 years will not be of any help.
Hope this man is not preparing to be a candidate for the next elections as we do not want muppets this time around (I know he has a right).
Heritage party has been dead and may it continue being so. Please no “Village Concept” in 2011.
Our country has a population of 13 million plus citizens while far less than 4 million people vote with many being apathetic. In no way even 50+1 would pull 6.5 million plus votes be popular margin victory. Let the 2 million plus that vote give the mandate without collusions.
This is one wise man whom Zambia needs at the helm of the country’s political affairs. This man is credible and I have always admired him. He is one man who calls a spade a spade. How I wish he could join hands with Magande, HH, Chipimo and Milupi . . . . .
Mmd like this sleepy general because he is not popular and therefore not a threat. You will all be shocked when MCS is announced as the President-elect this year.
On ““We did not leave the MMD. We were pushed out. At that time, I was MMD vice-president and General (Criston) Tembo was MMD national trustee. I have no hatred for Mr Sata although he got rid of us from the MMD because we were opposed to proposals for a third term for President Chiluba,” he [Brig General G Miyanda] said,” it is great that he has reminded Zambians that Mr Sata MC of PF was the sole-supporter of the Third Term Bid for Chiluba which was supposed to be effected by changing our Constitution for the waste.
Zambians must also remember that this Sata MC participated in giving us a bad Constitution in 1996. Mr Sata MC also promised to disregard the Constitution to allow him rule Zambia upto 2013 if Zambians made a mistake of election him President in 2008.
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Matt…
The general has just come out to split votes.
Good sense General
BA MIYANDA YOU BEHAVE LIKE A POLITICAL SUBMARINE YOU ONLY RESURFACE IN AN ELECTION YEAR GO BACK TO FARM. WE DONT WANT TIME WASTERS .STOP YOUR NONSENSE OF ATTACKING MR.ASTA WE WANT ISSUE BASED POLITICAL ARGUMENTS.SPOILER VOTE SPLITER.WE KNOW YOU, THEY ALWAYS PAY YOU DURING THIS TIME.TWANAKA NAIMWE.WE WANT CHANGE.PRESIDENT WITHOUT MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT.RUBISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!VIVA PABWATO PABWATO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!VOTE SATA FOR REAL CHANGE.
My president has now spoken I just believe one day this man will rule us and there will be justice..Miyanda join hands with HH you seem to be talking one language and Elias Chipimo then bring Bob sichinga in the Scene..well have the perfect govt..
I wonder what such men would bring to Zambia. They purely have selfish motives to rule Zambia at whatever cost. Surely, Miyanda should realise that he can not convince Zambians single handed unless he joins a credible party for him to contribute. By now i know one fact. We Zambians are good verbally but fail to act accordingly. We can support the opposition but vote for the ruling party coz we are scared of change. Why all the talking and no action? God protect our mother Zambia.
It seems the finished general is on MMD payroll, from the time mmd poached those two mps from his heritage party its like they poached his brain as well and his party collapsed and has had nothing tangible to offer. why is he part of those characters rejecting our submissions?.
Is this man still around? eish its hide and seek type of politics……..
This is what happens when you hang on to finished leadership that has failed to adapt. These are the types of leaders supporting the nonsense obtaining in Kenya, Zimbabwe and Cote d’Ivoire where losing incumbents are sticking like ghekos to a ceiling! Let’s retire most of these guys, give them a living pension and move on with progress. We will not get anywhere with pre-1964 ideas at this rate.
Ba Silencer Tamwakwata amano Boss This man has spoken alot of sence which is true u cant be voting based on popularity what if he is popular in insulting? do u still vote for him? No No lets reason Sata can work well under some1…
This is a good forum for making your views known. No need to wait for Post, daily or times. Tell the nation and who knows how many people will understand and give you a vote afterwards?
THIS COWARD ONLY APPEARS IN AN ELECTION YR WHEN HE GETS FUNDED BY MMD TO SPLIT VOTES
Ba General mulichipuba sana, look 4 a church and become a pastor, u will never rule Zambia
I entirely agree with Miyanda’s reasoning. Reason you who are attacking this man. He is speaking his honest mind. He has not said he is participating in the elections, why crucify him? Yes, it’s not always correct to vote for a popular person at the expense of a better person. “You don’t vote for somebody because he is popular. You vote for somebody because you believe that person will do what you want him to do for you. You vote for somebody because you accept what he stands for. Even if you give him two or three votes, you will be satisfied that you made a correct decision but today, we are being told to vote for those who are popular,” Brig Gen Miyanda said.
SATA is a bad man, get it you blind followers, no serious minded person follows him
where has he been all this time?
I cant make sense out of the mathematics on the 50 +1 Ba General is trying to propound. Can someone simplify it……anyway welcome back soldier…never say die!
BA MIYANDA MWABA ITOLE…ATASE IWE DISGRACED GENERAL YOU ARE WORSE THAN SHIKAPWASHA! U HAVE FAILED TO ORGANISE YOUR DEAD PARTY AND YOU ARE NOW JEALOUSING SATA HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO TUCIWELE SHIIIIIIII………………
HOW MUCH HAVE YOU BEEN PAID
**=I like the generals’ abilities to lead the people of Zambia, but alas he is a sleeping giant or a dog which is fond of sleeping and only works up when it smells some food. Zambians know who they want as their leader this year……..vote for issues and not deciet thru ZNBC (Chanda Chimba), Daily Mail or Times of Zambia.
I like people’s participation here. Your comments may either be right or wrong. What the General has said however has some good sense worth meditating on especially for those who are objective. I hope all of us we mature early in the handling of politics.
ATI BA GENERAL? NOP WONDER THE LATE PRESIDENT MWANAWASA SAID YOU SUFFER FROM POLITICAL MENINGITIS…………………. YOU ARE SICK! JUST ACCEPT THAT SATA IS POPULAR THAN YOU…………JUST EXPLAIN YOUR VILLAGE CONCEPT TO THE VILLAGERS IWE MAKAKA
You are my most preffered man becoz of your principles. Why dont you rejoin mmd so that u may add to it more value? You never resigned you were just expelled because sata saw potential in you.u still believe in mmd manifesto. Please dont throw gloves . You are the next prest. J
Does anyone seriously believe that if there was a run-off, Sata would beat RB?
Miyanda wakes up in an election year just to make a living from well wishers who donates to HIs pockets..a day after elections he will be quiet till next elections…..indeed go back and slumber.
As an open minded debater, Mr. Miyanda has a oint and it should be considered. Nno need for PF or UPND rants here
am one of the people who believes in integrity of which sata does not have beside being popular in foolish joke and insults…Go Miyanda but dont make a mistake of joining Movements for Mad Dogs(MMD)
Ba miyanda, i think u r a big man and we expect wisdom from you. Well spoken but your speech luks the will of the pipo,the issue is pipo and not individuals who are selfish in all areas,enriching themselves only and forgetin about a child out their whose havin only one meal a day 16hrs and then come and have the following day at the said time. We want sumone who speaks for the poor, who has a hear for the nation. Did you know why Michael Sata is a crowed puller? Its because he has the heart for the masses and I hate the idea with a passion of you resurfacing when elections are nearing.Come on, sit down man and let the will be done. stop yapping before you loose your reputation. LOOSER!!!
Ba Miyanda !!!! Are you still around?Dont talk on something you dont know.
I think its true that this Man is always paid to split the Vote. Thanks for endorsing Sata abeit in a negative way.
I doubt if we can develop with such kind of thinking by our senior citizens.**==
I hate the idea with a passion of you resurfacing when elections are nearing ba Miyanda. Where were you Sir?
Zambian Gen is a detector and you can see it in his rush for power and his desire to control the most powerful office where he can do anything without anyone controlling him. This sipmply implies the constitution to him does not count. We thank God for he has shown us what kind of a leader he could make. Time will show has who is a good leader standing on the right platform
Wake up ba Miyanda its now a fact that Sata is popular and thats what makes him even stronger. Just become a pastor and don’t disturb Sata for president this year whether you like it or not SATA is winning.
The man riffiruffs love to hate. The beacon that corrects many a moral compass. Call him names, he is his own man. This country has a warped understanding of national issues. When the general talks about popularity, the sane ones understand what he means. I believe we all know FTJs popularity and what it yielded. When one looks at todays “registered voters, they are of a certain orientation which easily makes certain people popular- whether they are generally good or not. The actual population of voters is about 20% of the national population. So even when we speak of the majority, we cant attain that.
ZAMBIANS LET US NOT RISK OUR COUNNTRY ZAMBIA.
KK.CHILUBA,late MWANAWASA m.h.s.r.i.p.,RB.HH,MIYANDA and WINTER KABIMBA’S father have advised that we should not vote/out SA/PF in state house . FOR SURE THEY DON’T HATE HIM THEY JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE THE IN KNOWLEDGE OF SATA’S dangerous genetical behaviour which once in power will be impossible to control like GADAFI. SATA WILL NOT BE CONTROLLED BY THE LAWS BUT HE WILL BE THE LAW.
MIYANDA PRESIDENT, DAMBISA MOYO Vice president or minister of Finance. Nawakwi vice President. Mangande commerce minister. Namugala tourism, Masebo local government minister……..Mpombo foreign Mission Japan. That would be a powerful and nice government.
50+1 POSSIBLE WITH TWO PARTIES. WHY WASTE TIME THE PRESIDENT WITH THE HIGHEST VOTES TAKES IT. ANYTHING ELSE WONT CHANGE VOTERS DECISIONS. OPPOSITION HAVE LOST IT AGAIN. ZAMBIA IS BIG NEVER EVER ARE WE GOING TO AGREE WHOLESOMELY ON ANYTHING. OTHERS JUST WANT TO CREATE ANARCHY. SATAN IS SUCH AND WILL REMAIN SO. LOOK AT HOW HE APPEARS ON COMPANYING, HE IS FINISHED TOO OLD AND TIRED. BAND THOUGH OLD BUT ASSOCIATED WITH WISDOM.
ba general ilyo mupwile. i used to hold you in high esteem but not any more. i think with every passing year, you are loosing it as well. is that what you can say about this very contentious subject? democracy is expensive but legitimacy can not be compromised and thats what leads to national security and development. when everyone is convinced that we have a majority president and not a minority one. shut up general and rejoin the mmd.
#31 FONKOFONKO, u are not only stupid but you are stupidity personfied!!!!!!!!!! do you think your insults at Miyanda will bring you devpt: hospitals,schools,roads,jobs,clean water,etc? if you hav nothing constructive to contribute to the blogg just shut your bik!! Miyanda has rasied his concerns without insulting,can you also raise your counter concerns without insults. One wise man once said,”there is nothing worse than aggresive stupidity”….
General i now understand why you are a loner. I used to be a die harder support but not any more. On 50+1 issue, you are not making sense……when a re-run is called goverment still continue to function. Democracy is about majority rule ba General.
Everything makes sense. 1) He can never get 50% plus 1 even with 10 re-runs. 2) He is not popular because he does not make sense; One because popular because one make sense 3) He is only talking about Sata because Sata is a credible candidate 4) Does he expects people to vote for him when he just ”talks” just before elections? He did the same in the last bye elections as in the other elections…..
Thats why this man cant be president of this country and he has failed to convince zambians about his intentions and programmes.he is so naive.
General don’t think Zambians are sleeping why do you always resurface when its time for elections ? Ii had so much respect for you but come on don’t try me . its all clear that you want to split votes it will not work this time . you hurt Mr SATA so much but one thing for sure is that he is winning you cant compare yourself with him VIVA PA BWATO VIVA SATA
Is this dull general going to stand this year. he is so dull that he thinks he can win in Africa without being porpular.My God eish
You will d i e a bitter man General. Time to repent and move on.
ba LT,why have you censored my comment on #51? the word i have used where you have put ******** is STUPID.is this word an insult? according my unstanding of english,it means dull. what about FONKOFONKO who has used ITOLE and the comment has not been censored???
What a foolish man……..
Hey the finished so called General,please stop making noise for nothing.Why is that the so called General are in the forthfront destroying our beloved Zambia.Nearly all the African countries are using 50plus 1 but why are you so afraid to advocate for it here too.Look we know you have a handfull follows who are telling you that you are popular but we don’t to have president who is only popular among the thifts.We want a majority leader.
I was just waiting for the standard comment from PF cadres, the usual “he has been bought” when someone tells them something sensible. Makes my day, hahahaha hehehehe hihihihi kikikiki.
Now i understand why the man has been quiet in the last 4 or so years. He doesnt want to be popular.
Use/less general with no agenda for the Zambian people. Just leave our Michael Sata alone and concetrate on your party. If you are an oppsition leader, why not attack the people you oppose (mmd)? This money is an mmd sympathiser and we know he has received something. Vote spoiler. Bitter man. Dont talk about Sata. We love Sata. He is the poor people’s darling.
Mean to say…. this man is an mmd sympathiser….
Well spoken General on the 50%+1, I share similar beliefs with you and I have stated them on LT, even this week I expressed similar sentiments.
On Mr Sata, again I agree with the General, I have stated before that Mr Sata has been Mr UNIP (pangas, wamuyaya etc, the architect of hero worshipping which preceded the corruption that we know today), and then he became Mr MMD until one FJT (for all his perceived or true misdemeanors) dribbled him and saved us all from anguish, and finally now he is Mr PF (gays rights advocate, perpetual losing presidential candidate due to his sickness of telling lies all the time). In all these lives he has perfected the art of all unacceptable behaviour to the point where he has become the President who shall never be.
Its unfortunate that some are insulting Gen Miyanda yet there is real sense in what he is saying. Please lets respect the dignity of of other persons even if we donot side with their political inclination. Miyanda is one of the Zambian with integrity, quiet he may be yes when did you hear Mr Rupiah making squabbles and insulting others to become president, when did Mwanawasa insult others …. surely never did these people insulted those in leadership so discrediting the High office even God who appoints them. Talking of patriotism, Mwanawasa was a real patriotic citizen, he resigned the Vice President position to register his displeasure with the Chiluba admin and went quietly to work at the farm, no wonder God called him to be president. Thats how things work in Zambia. Immitate them.
The general has finished watching all movies on DSTV. Let him now talk
This chap is completely irrelevant to the current political situation in Zambia. Let him just join MMD. I hope he wont waste his money by attempting to stand again – as a shadow. Shame on you Miyanda!
This man is wise but I wonder why he has failed to sell his vision successfully to the zambians.Keep it up General!
At times people say what they say because they think everyone thinks like them and hence no question will follow. What is in this statement? “You don’t vote for somebody because he is popular. You vote for somebody because you believe that person will do what you want him to do for you. ” If you have solved equations before, surely this is unreasonable statement. What makes someone popular in the first place? If you are the right man, go ahead and convince us and you will become popular and we will vote for you. Although ba General baliba biright. he is not a fighter. He will only become a president when someone wakes him up at 2am; the Levy/Rupiah versions.
TO MY FELLOW SAINTS:
ZECHARIAH 4:6 STATES ITS NOT BY MIGHT NOR BY POWER BUT BY MY SPIRIT SAYS THE LORD; IF MIYANDA HAS TO RISE TO THE PRESIDENCE IT IS BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD, I PERSONALLY LOVE THE GENERAL AND WOULD PREFER HIM PRESIDENT BUT THE ALMIGHTY GOD HAS A FINAL SAY. IT IS LIKE PROPHET SAMUEL WHO WHEN SENT TO ANOINT A KING OVER ISRAEL, HE WAS LOOKING AT THE FACE AND HEIGHT OF THE WOULD-BE KINGS UNTIL GOD TOLD HIM NOT TO LOOK AND JUDGE FROM OUTSIDE. VOTERS ARE”PROPHET SAMUEL” LISTEN FROM GOD AS YOU VOTE, LETS NOT CHOSE (ANOINT) THE ONE WHOM GOD HAS NOT CHOSEN AND LIVE TO REGRET. THEREFORE ITS NOT THAT ONE IS VOCAL/POPULAR/ EDUCATED THEN HE CAN BECOME PRESIDENT, NO GOD WILL JUDGE IN THIS YEAR’S ELECTIONS. DONT BREAK OTHERS TO GET TO THE TOP. HOLIER THAN THOU, PHARISAIC CAMPAIGN…
THE GENERAL IS RIGHT!! WE WILL NOT ALLOW CHI SATA TO RULE THIS COUNTRY: SATA IS POPULAR ONLY TO THE KAPONYAZ WHO HE CREATED WHEN HE WAS IN GOVT: MIYANDA JUST BACK HH COZ HE IS THE BEST MAN FOR ZAMBIA: VOTE HH!!
BaMiyanda ubo buwelewele tamulentonkaya bwino bamudala
as usual masturbation from the general
Spent politician, promised state vice presidency. Opportunist. You time is passed. Just because eclections are around the corner. Disappointed with you General.
The man is totally irrelevant to the current political scenerio, better for him to join the likes of mumbi, chifwekelo, siulapwa, chimba, chifwire and tuntemba pastors. he ‘s misguided especially on the 50+1 and the popular man.
miyanda is 100% right
INFORMATION IS POWER.
Is it true that Miyanda went to the same military training with GADAFI.
Is it true that Miyanda pushed in a certain parliament bill after it was rejected when he was Vice PRESIDENT of GRZ?
Is it it true that Miyanda can be a good president on ISLAND whre he can critique and dont care even if he can not convince Zambians why they should not fear him, as long as he can critique.?
Sorry General, you’ve lost it on the 50+1 issue. That Sata chased you and others from the third term MMD iz debatable, since the man waz merely executing the good/bad decizion of an organization which, iz common practice.
Where does this guy live kashi?
No. 19……awe uli wamipoto…ati POLITICAL SUBMARINE YOU ONLY RESURFACE IN AN ELECTION YEAR
This is the guy who closed/liquidated Zambia Airways at mid night! why should he be trusted?
General Miyanda, for once you’ve talked sense. If you’d been talking like this for sometime, you would have been in state house by now. Viva General viva!!! Abash homosexuals, abash!!
Chi Miyanda nalemona kwati walikwata amano. If all opposition leaders were like you, then the MMD would have been having a field day. Leaders like Sata always stand for the people even if it is 5 years before elections while you go into hiding and only resurface when its election year. The people supporting you are just iddiots like yourself. Sorry ka general only foools like senior citizen will take you serious. ATASE!! Leave Sata alone, at least he speaks for the people even when the chips are down. He keeps the government on its toes. We don’t need opportunists of vote splitters like you.
Quotatable quote from Gen. Chinkuli about Br. Gen. Miyanda :- “Godfrey is a very bright man, but the problem with him is that he does not listen to others” endof quote.
General Chinkuli was Brigadier General Miyanda’s boss when they were both in the army and this was a very unbiased analysis of his former junior’s character post service to the nation.
Correction in 84: “Quotable quote”
its interesting how the PF kaponya’s fail to reason even on simple matters. the general has given his opinion without insulting but instead of providing reasonable arguments against him, all you do is insult and question the mans integrity. general miyanda is one of the few remaining honest politicians in zambia and the man sacrificed a lot to bring about the deomocracy you crack heads enjoy, where you have freedom to insult.
folks
i was doing a PVT on the comment from the General. here are ther results from the 81 comments. 41% were adverse( meaning did not agree with the General) 19 % affirmative( agreed with the general) 8% neutral and 13 % undecided. if assumed that adverse where to vote for SATA who wins?
Why is anyone surprised that this General, like so many Z Generals are more of followers rather than leaders??? General for them was simply a “title” & not a characteristic that described them!! As long as they licked the right boots, they ascended!! “GOOD MORNING GENERAL, well come to the new dawn!! Zambians are a bit more savvy about whom they think will represent their interests!! Since KK times to date, we have seen both educated & uneducated in various public positions, many have disappointed, including yourself, well SATA delivered in the eyes of many!! Infact he delivered FTJ’s desire to get rid of you – that was a result, give us an example of what you delivered in your various capacities!
This debete has been going on for a long time now where have u being to comment on it now nosense go back and sleep. you are a disgrace the pipo of zambia and the military
lubo thats a fake analysis because most PF kaponya’s just change names but its the same person making the comment. we know them
General Miyanda must be saluted for speaking his mind. Miyanda is a self-less person never tainted with corruption. Young people that were borne yesterday should be told that when Sata was Secretary-General of MMD, he used his position to expell General Miyanda, Mazoka, General Tembo and most other MMD’s prominent brains in order to secure a position of Republican Presidency for himself – knowing fully well that the Constitution could not accommodate a Third Term for Chiluba. Sata is a canning Gbagbo in the making.
i will vote for Gen. Miyanda. you are a wise man. sata expelled you from MMD you did not leave and so was Edith Nawakwi. Sata will Never be Zambian republican president. he is popular because he is ever talking, making noise like a vuvuzela. a lot of people are popular because of stupidity. vote for someone credible not someone popular
#87 Lubo – nice one. Maybe you could explain this to GRZ/MMD that PVT is all about quantitative and qualitative analysis.
At least miyanda is truthful, unlike sata who is suffering from sickness of telling lies all the time. Gen, just join the HH camp, you are the missing brain…..
onething that is now certain in our country is that SATA is making other political players have sleepless nights. zambians have been crying for 50%+1.
this just shows that our general can never give zedians what they want. regardless of our general having some good quality of leadership,on this one he has made it clear that he is as sleepy as his party HP. what we need in zed are leaders who can make correct analysis of what we want as a country. am sorry general you are a let down on the issue of 50%+1.
resurfacing where was he when zamtel was been sold to gadaffi,whwere was he when abuse off office clause was removed,where was he when william banda was brought fom malawi, where was he when the NCC was busy eating free tax payers money
PIPO THIS YR LET THEM TALK…BUT DONCHI KUBEBA.
kamwendo shut up! just concentrate on your failed boat, it will sink again this year.
merge with cozmo and siulapwa and muchindu who is senseless like poverty stricken opa hamiyanze
Ba #90 naimwe, bupuba bwa shani ubo? Just admit that Lubo’s analysis is correct. One thing you mmd chaps have failed to admit is that you are in the minority and that you have always been in the minority. Just like when it comes to elections, you have been winning due to rigging. But I can assure you this year, this year, should there be rigging, mmd mukapponokwa. Just look at Libya and the arab world. Be warned.
#98 u r as useless as whoever u r supporting,we know u u r sebana wikute kind of people
we are going to auction BA GENERAL to see which party will buy him yes he is a good man always at the wrong time resurfacing
#6 Academic warrior, you have your facts wrong. Here is a correction:
1.Zambia has Variable Profit Tax instead of Windfall Tax, i.e. Windfall tax is not the only form of mining tax.
2.Mr Sata opposes Windfall Tax, that is a fact.
So do not jump into the boat without enough knowledge, or else the inconsistent Mr Sata will leave you stranded on the high seas.
#92 Sata Cant Win- I used to respect this General especially that he was a friend to my oldest brother. But I lost that when he refused our invitation to him to be President of FDD. His reason was very childish. He wanted us to adopt the Heritage Party when we had all agreed that we call the new Party FDD. Infact although Gen Tembo was a senior man , he was ready to surrender the leadership to this Miyanda. Result of his action was the split of the vote thus giving the MMD advantage. To me there is nothing special about this coup plotter.
The Post will be remembered as a group of journalists, who stage-manage every bit of news to fit a favoured storyline, but Zambians are mature enough to know what type of news reporting or analysis is expected from a serious publication. Their writing is better suited for a partisan newspaper. Gen Miyanda is a rare gem in a political arena saddled with tribalism and insincerity. The opinion he has given is an honest opinion which every decent citizen should listen to. Sata is an extremist and no amount of journalistic malpractice from Mmembe can whitewash this’ leopard’ from its spots.
General Miyanda is behaving like my dog Popi.After a thing has stolen my drum,that is when Popi barks.Miyanda is a chancer who is there to split votes.He comes in the last minute to bark like my dog Popi after his friends have gone round the country.Success is not like that general.You do not study a lot of books when exams are near.You have to make hay while the sun is still shining.Miyanda does not behave like an army officer.In the army officers are ever on the move and very alert.He surprises me a lot.He comes in the scene at the last minute thinking he will make it.He is a manipulator and a conman who should not be entertained.We need serious people who will stand for us in thick times.I would rather vote fo HH or Sata than a hallucinating general.The man thinks he knows all things.
# 98
I know and you know that you can be my dependant, i can keep ten of at my farm. i belong to a rich party. we work had to make money, no soliciting for money from denmark like your president thru gayism.
PF stands for POST FUNDED
Can you please speak issues about health care, education street kid Agro policies and reviving the copperbelt with Road infrastructure, creating Jobs and how. Don’t talk about issues that will n ot inspire and add value to our living standard
nice one 108. my onl;y hope is that miyanda, hh and other well meaning zambians come together and provide a better hope and change than this useless buffoon called sata and his sinking boat. we need a credible third force alliance built on solid patriotic zambian citizens otherwise witout it then it will be another five years of UNIP/MMD!!
MIYANDA……., YOU ARE IN AFRICA. MAJORITY OF THE ELECTED LEADERS IN AFRICA ARE NOT ISSUE BASED OR LOGICAL, BUT MERELY POPULAR THRU LIES. IN 1991 CHILUBA STOOD AGAINST ARTHA WINA WHO EVERYONE THOUGHT WHO BECAME THE MMD PRESIDENT, WHAT HAPPENED, THE USELESS SHORT MAN WON AND GOT US INTO PROBLEMS. DR KAUNDA SAID THIS YOUNG MAN STOLE K10,000.00 FROM A WIDOW, WHAT HAPPENED PEOPLE NEVER BOUGHT IT UNTIL WHEN HE WAS GIVEN THE CHANCE TO BEHAVE LIKE A MONKEY IN THE MAIZE FIELD AND ROOTED ZAMBIA’S RESOURCES. WAKE – UP MAN!!!
CAN SOME MMD KAPONYA’S COMMENT ON THE FATE OF ZAMTEL NOW THAT YOU SWINDLED US OF OUR NATIONAL ASSET LIKELY EVERY THING HAS BACK FIRED YOU RATS. WHATS IN FOR THE ORDINARY. PUTOS!
miyanda has simply given an opinion. so ba kaponya we expect you to argue against his opinion and convince us about this so called 50+1 which even at NCC level could not be agreed and referred to referendum. so why cant Pf kaponya’s wait for the people of zambia to vote on this issue at a referendum which is the norm in any democratic country. the kenyans did it and so can we do it. its not guaranteed that everyone will support 50+1. in fact sata has never wanted 50+1 because even with such he would lose lamentably. sata has never won more than 40% of the vote. the highest he has ever got is 38% in 2008. so all these PF kaponya’s who think PF is the majority are very wrong. MMD have consistently got 40% of the vote since 2001 with UPND getting consistently just above 30%.
so without the UPND vote sata is a useless loser. he thought that he could win with just luapula, northern, lusaka and CB but it has proven difficult and now with MMd gaining in his strongholds the man has nowhere else to turn to except by hoodwinking people that he is pro 50+1 when in fact he is not. HH has a better chance to capture votes away from PF eif he can bring in some good northeners
Ba #7 Your hate for a good man like HH will not lead you anywhere. He is not your enemy.He is better suited to reconstruct our economy.Not these analog oldies you want to cling to, the world has become digital, move on, dont resist change. Please change your blog name.
people there’s no need for you to start insulting each other each one of us has an opinion which has to be respected if you think Gen is the man vote for him but remember the majority wins, as for me i think SATA is the man for me i don’t care what you call him and what you think of him its your opinion but you wont change my mind no matter what you say about him.
Ba General if Sata chased you from MMD, and now he is no longer in MMD, why dont you rejoin MMD? I followed and voted for you in 2001. I regret my wasted faith and energies. Sata has been busy while you want to do ‘I know it all’. You and Nevers Mumba are same; dumping their followers in no man’s land.
On 50 +1 General at university there’s a pass mark.50%+1is needed in Zambia where countless meaningless partys like yours mushroom during elections. Zambia cant be ruled by someone with 20% just because he is first past the post. This is what has been happening with the unpopular MMD hence the formation of the PACT. Instead of supporting such good initiatives you prophesied doom so that you can say ‘I am vindicated’
This man is an *****; he thinks he is really smart.
So general you still think wives in the modern day are married to cook and sew? It’s a new day, ask Obama. It is said that Michelle Obama is a smart cookie who is not just there for the functions you have stated, this defeats your argument of suggesting that one marries a wife who can cook and sew. If your wife can pursue very high education she can employ the best cook and the best tailor. We do not want a marriage with PF to just provide cooking and sewing skills. Marriage should bring joy, peace, friendship, productivity plus nefyashala. The MMD has failed to even cook one reasonable meal, say what?
General Miyanda is the most reasonable politician Zambia has. He speaks his mind and without malice aforethought. He speaks without self interest and he always speaks after he has analysed the situation. You never hear the General ku bwe bweta like some people. Even when I do not agree with him, I respect his reasonable stance.
Miyanda was just expressing his opinion as a zambian. Remember he has to enjoy the freedom of expression. Ba FONKOFONKO, you need to refrain from insults.Mind you, your father has the same ITOLE and yourself, you have some. Miyanda keep on analyzing issues.
braval general,when LPM introduced wind fall tax,Sata was against that,when RB planed to remove it Sata said we need windfall tax,when LPM was prosecuting chiluba over his theft,Sata was against that and had to give LPM and his cabinet a family tree,when RB sympathized with FTJ,Sata is against that and pretends to have been ignorant of his criminal activities,when LPM thot of a good constitution,Sata was for the idea,when delegates were choose Sata was aginst that,when Sata was put among ministers to decide for the BRE Sata and his minion said BRE 1964 is not real,when people this time they want it,he is saying its real coz of votes he wants from that side,many more rubbish things from this old shameless man,now miyanda,LPM,KK,FTJ and all former SGs for PF have warned us of this evil man
Zambians why are we bent on thinking that HH can rule when this man has never held the simplest portfolio of a ward chairman?
The Problem with us Zambians is we cannot differentiate between a true leader and someone who has financial influence.To me I this the Present Presdo seconded by Sata are capable individuals who can rule this country to some level.HH will simply come in and suggest Privatisation of State House or Even UTH.the guy wants finish the Country _Watch him!
Lets us cast our votes not on basis of tribal line but Capability
Going by the criteria that the most popular person gets the most votes, we can safely conclude that RB was the most popular person during the last elections. So Panji is basically saying vote for RB. After the coming general elections, we will then know who will be the new most popular person and Panji can advise that voters should vote for the most popular person at the next elections (2016).
I wonder how Panji got to be a Lt. Col. in the Zambia Army, cause it seems to me like he can’t walk and chew gum at the same time – or maybe it was ‘connections’.
General Miyanda has accepted that Micheal Chilufya Sata is popular, so MMD an UPND watch out!!!! Wina azalila, already Western Province is now for PF because of the Baroste Agreement!
I’m one of the people sitting on the fence about who to support in this years elections. I’m currently analyzing all presidential candidates. Gen Miyanda has his Village Concept and has stuck by it, HH, through UPND have their manifesto accessible to all, I’ve read about their policies. MMD have been in power for 20 year so I know what they are all about, they remain consistently corrupt. PF, well, all I seem to come across is pa bwato and donchi kubeba. Folks, please help me make an informed decision, who should I support?????????????????
Sata has the backing of some foreign states because they know he is uneducated enough to be used by them. But this man is an extremist who the former colleagues can’t trust. If you don’t believe Miyanda ask Ackson sejani.
126….follow UPND unlike donchi kubeba rubbish talks and pa bwato bwa ku no direction just noise making in the street if we put Sata then state house will have no respect from inter.community,zambia forward
#126 Money in the pocket 90 days miracle.
The General is a man I have a lot of respect for because he is a man of high principles and integrity. Sadly, I think he always wants to be unique and his ideas to prevail all the time. I am told this is why intellectuals like Dr . Fred Mutesa abandoned his party. Why swim against the current, by opposing such a sensible idea such as 50%+1? His argument is not making any mathematical sense to me. On Mr. Sata, the General must surely understand that apart from political rivalries being contests of ideologies and manifestoes, they are also popularity contests. So popularity matters a lot.
GENERAL I ADMIRE YOU FOR YOUR PRINCIPLES. IF ONLY PEOPLE COULD SEE WHAT YOU STAND FOR. UNFORTUNATELY IN POLITICS ITS THE MANIPULATIVE THAT SUCCEED
# 124 Rick Bob, have you never heard of rigging?
This ‘Village Concept’ General is a let down. When the masses are crying for 50 + 1% to dislodge the MMD, him is talking the otherwise. What he should realise is that we the people of Zambia who have been crying for the opposition to come together so that we kick out the MMD, with the 50 + 1% in place, we wouldn’t be wasting time pleading for people like HH bcz we would be 100% sure that RB would pack his bags out of State House in a face off rematch with king cobra.
Miyanda should just kee quiet because he is no longer a force to reckon with in Zambian politics
Oh, sorry that was Panji’s choice and endorsement everybody has the right to endorse their prefered canditate. Very hopeless and useless general indeed!
MIYANDA IS NOT NORMAL….
Mr. Sata only left MMD after he was not adopted as president. He chased all his friends in readiness to succeed Chiluba but alas Chiluba dribled the THE BITTER COBRA.
Do people still listen to this hopelessly lazy General? Its good they chased him from MMD he was just a bloody heavy luggage to be carried around by collegues, he couldn’t even beat ‘spoiled votes’ last time. Imagine what Zambia would become if he become President, he would legalise laziness and sleeping on duty. Ba General talk is cheap just shut up for now.
It seems those that are for 50% + are the opposition. If this was adopted, to whose advantage would this befall? MMD, PF or UPND? If two parties were left to fight it out after the 1st round of voting it would be MMD vs PF or MMD vs UPND. In such a scenario if UPND lost out in the 1st round, would their voters shift to PF? On the other hand if PF fail out, would its support shift to UPND? In short for all those that support a particular party, what is their second preferred one? Who stands to benefit from 50% +?
No single party enjoys a 50% + support in Zambia at the moment. Is it necessary to hold elections twice? Do we have the resources? Can we afford a situation of having a stalemate for a while?
I dont need to read the whole article but am pretty sure he is a confused General and he has so far outlived his usefulness
Miyanda is back form meditating in Nepal…Hahahahaa
Welcome back General, its 2011 and we are voting PF….
#126,information is power. MMD you know them as you have stated already. EVEN PF you know them as a party whose lethal manifesto is insultints,deceit,inconsistence,dictatorial and desire for positions,unpredicatable etc. As for UPND I will be subtracting from your crediility if i mention about the manifesto since you have knowledge of it already. In addition UPND also has traceable record chosing credible MP’s who can be a movers of the desired ZAmbian SOCIAL,ECONOMICAL AND GOOD GOVERNANCE PROGTAMME.e.g Magandewas poached from UPND ,Hachipuka I am sure you are following his parliamental PAC activities. UPND they are friendly that is why they were suffocated by the violent Brothers and sisters in PF.UPND is well suited for REAL CHANGE because they are not stained with corruption or…
by the way, what is “DONCHI KUBEBA.”? or ”KUYA BELELE”?
ZAMBIANS LEARN TO ANALYSE POLITICS……WHAT POLITICIANS SAY….THEIR BACK GROUND AND WRITTEN DOWN RECORDS ABOUT THEIR BEHAVIOUR BEFORE……
When your Children and the children of your children yet to be born……they should not laugh at you and consider this generation of well educated people a sale out generation. Why because we fail to read about POLITICS before and AFTER one party times……Some people who were there when MMD was coming in 1991……will tell u that some POLITICIANS now showing that they can deliver…..are NOT true and fair to the ZAMBIANs……
My advice is DO not Support politicians as the way we swing between support of FOOTBALL in the English Premier league…….BUT we should quiz ourselves of what GOOD FOR OUR COUNTRY now and after we have gone…….
MIYANDA HAS POINTS…..ONLY THAT HE IS A LONER……HE NEEDS TO JOIN OTHER PROGRESSIVE PARTIES TO MAKE IMPACT……..
dyonko good questions which most of these PF kaponya’s cannot answer. they dont realize that 50+1 would benefit MMD
political think tank thats why you are a think tank, you are using your brain to think properly. but its a waste of time debating with these dunderheads from kasama, matero and chitwe who have no analytical ability except to just shout donchi kubeba and kuya bebele. its really scary that supposedly sane people would actually waste a vote on a man like sata?? and they call that change? come on guys you know deep down in your heart that sata is not the answer. they are better options in miyanda, milupi, hh and others. sata no way, its an abomination!!
# 142 politics is about convincing the electorate. That is why you hear of swinging votes. As it stands now if MMD does not do damage control in Western province they will perfom badly. It is the same with 50 +1 it gives a party another chance to sell itself, take advantage of the shortfall of the other to swing the votes. # 149 If it was to benefit MMD, MMD would have quickly adopted it. Look at the way they are fighting the PVT, Sata could not be an abomination if he has led the opposition so close to victory. It simply means pipo believe in him and want him to lead the country
Miyanda’s blindness to reality has come full circle, the general is fully idle! In the army, he had a cunning habit of arguing even when he had nothing to say just for the sake of being heard. He ran into numerous problems with Gen. Chinkuli for “useless ifitala ifishikwetu nokumutwe”. Remember Chiluba’s third term bid, this same Miyanda went on national TV telling the nation that, & quote: “Me I’m a military man & I have not sign any signs of HE Chiluba is trying to gerrymander the constitution to go for a third term”, end of quote. Now, that third term circus was an earthquake of the same magnitude as the recent Japanese quake and Miyanda lamentably failed to register it on his seismograph. He’s the last person I will listen to in the world.
#124, I do not think there is any reasoning in Miyanda’s outburst. I mean, just what manner of logic does one see in such a disjointed statement? I mean, which problems of “hunger, shelter and so forth” has this first past the post system resolved? If anything, things are getting worse with minority presidents bent on just doing ifyabo! And it’s so silly for someone who has been to Munali and in the army to confuse voter apathy to 50%+1. I cannot see the connection between 2 million voters and 1 million voters on one hand and 50% + 1. Only in the forked Miyanda world does such flawed logic make sense.
#151. The question is, is it necessary to hold general elections twice in a year? Should resources be devoted to such at the expense of developmental projects? Remember Sata also supported 1st past the post when he was in gov’t.
Regardless who was in office they would rather prefer using scarce resources for developmental projects other than politicking 24/7. Let us think outside the box. Even if PF or UPND won the elections this time around come 2016 they would not have the 50% +. At the moment opposition parties want the 50% + because the MMD had 32% of the last vote but the reality is none of them surpassed them. Yes the total that didnt vote for MMD was 68% of the vote but this was a divided opposition all with their own interest and appeal. They have tried the PACT but failed.
Allow pipo to contribute.You may censore them but mindful of the language.Its a pity most of you pipo have chosen to abusive.Hey where is our God? Thank you and God bless you all.
# 154 is it necessary to hold a paliamentary bye election 5 months before an election? similary resources are being wasted that way. we are only a few months before an election but still holding by elections. if you are used to having dyonko on anything not when it comes to democracy.democracy does not come cheap my friend.
I think Gen. Miyanda should leave mathematical permutations to the mathematicians. I have failed to understand his reasoning. Either he lacks an understanding of the current debate on the 50%+1 or he has no idea which hemisphere he lives in. This is the problem with having Party owners resurfacing during elections. If some subjects are beyond you, General, better preserve your dignity by keeping quiet.
Don’t worry fellow Zambians.
Miyanda’s opinion is not final. As a matter of fact, he is worse at blogging. His is once or twice, especially in an election year.
Where are his parley candidates when there is an election to replace someone for a reason or another? His focus is on the Presidency only. Our big bro does not make sense any longer, in fact he has not done so politically since he lost his chance in 2001.
I think the torture that KK put this man through has really affected his mental faculties. His computations are hard to understand and his rejection of a popular candidate beats democracy. A popular candidate is one that becomes president. It is a sign of what the people wish for, so in this case General, if you are not popular, it means the majority dont want you, so go back and retire to your ‘village concept’.
Finally Miyanda has demoted himself to Lance Corporal Miyanda!!!
# 150 *****,u think u r the wise one. From yo tone one can tel that you are ‘the i know it all’ fool. When u want to advise,dont use foolish language,chi makaka
Gen Miyanda has done no wrong. He has just expressed his own opinion, just like Col. Panji did in endorsing Sata. Gentlemen, we are not in North Korea, we are in Zambia, where freedom of expression is allowed. We are all privy to this basic freedom, which some of us are abusing at fellow Zambians who have a divergent view from theirs. We are entitled to our own opinion, and we should never be insulted for having such an opinion. Because of plural politics, it should be an accepted norm to agree to disagree because, as they say, one man’s meat is another man’s poison. If you dont think like Miyanda, its ok because his opnion differs with yours, period. But tht doesnt mean you have to insult him over his preferred stand on issues. Its his right, just like its your right to think as you…
Gen Miyanda is nothing bu8t simply a philosopher. He can not explain practical things other than theories. Miyanda goes to sleep then wakes up only when people have done everything and are about to conclude, He comes and start his theorizing again. Gen, Put your village concept back in your pocket. There’s a difference between theoretical subjects (eg topology, rings) and applied subjects (egs statistics, fluid dynamics). Only applied subjects can be grasped by people, and all theories have there day in thesis. In short Miyanda is not practical – is a theorist. Unza is waiting!
Gen Miyanda is nothing but simply a philosopher. He can not explain practical things other than theories. Miyanda goes to sleep then wakes up only when people have done everything and are about to conclude, He comes and starts his theories again. Gen, Put your village concept back in your pocket. There’s a difference between theoretical subjects (eg topology, rings) and applied subjects (egs statistics, fluid dynamics). Only applied subjects can be grasped by people, and all theories have there day in thesis. In short Miyanda is not practical – is a theorist. Unza is waiting!
Meander meandering! Ask a grade 12 what village concept is? Ba Mudala aba balipena.
SATA IS WINING 2011 ELECTION.GENERAL YOU ARE LOST.SATA POPULARITY HAS GROWN TREMENDOUSLY.COME AND SEE FOR YOURSELF SATA IS IN CHINGOLA FOR RALLY
Is this the same “Meander” who was acting Head of State when KK and Rodger Chongwe were dodging bullets from a state hired assassin in Kabwe some doynko years ago? Batila atin “undergoing a sea change”. New name “Ba Meandering Miyanda Politco Submarine”
I dont understand why us Zambians hate the truth like this.
Ba Muyanda,,go back and finish your sleep….we do not need time wasters like you…
The Wise man has spoken, yet the unwise and Kaponyas are complaining like children.
What a shame. Why can’t you, especially PF Cadres think?? Its not just about Satanic becoming president. We want to develop, but not with Satana mentallity.
Viva Miyanda!
Okay, now you can dissolve your party and join NAREP. Bring Magande along. We need some experienced people.
#170 J20, that is expecting too much too much from PF cadres, they are not supposed to think, remember?
WHO ARE YOU TO SAY NO TO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. NO WONDER YOUR PARTY IS A FAMILY UNION
GENERAL, ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE OKAY . FIRST VILLAGE CONCEPT AND NOW CONFUSION ABOUT 50 PLUS 1. UBUKOPO BWAPILTILILA