The Barotse Royal Establishment (BRE) Naliele Kuta in Kaoma district of Western province has dismissed outbursts by the Kazanga Cultural Association (KCA) and the Nkoya Royal Council (NRC) calling for the creation of Kafue province by ceding Kaoma and Lukulu district from Barotse territory.
Kaoma BRE spokesperson, Induna Yutanga alleged that Messrs Nkomesha and Moyo have exhibited the highest level of dangerous ignorance and therefore do not qualify to speak on the topics they elected to speak on.
In a statement to ZANIS in Lusaka during the week Induna Yutanga said the outbursts were an act of provocation and described them as uncalled for as they were only designed to mislead the nation.
He explained that the boundaries of Barotseland, the territory which joined Northern Rhodesia to found Zambia at Independence, were international in character and well documented and narrated adding that these boundaries can never be altered.
Induna Yutanga vowed that no centimeter of boundaries shall ever be allowed to be ceded off to join the other area in Zambia.
He added that land cannot be shifted in the manner being suggested by the duo saying that Kafue province’s dream should therefore be forgotten because it is untenable.
Induna Yutanga said the BRE has noted with concern that this was not the first time their Nkoya brothers have the suggestion and sympathized with their lack of historical knowledge and conspicuous ignorance.
And Induna Yutanga said the two organizations have also demanded to be included on the Commission of Inquiry into Mongu riots and urged government not to reinstate the Barotse Agreement of 1964.
He said with regards to the Barotse Agreement which the Nkoyas were allegedly campaigning against, was another question of ignorance on the part of the Nkoyas.
Induna Yutanga said the terms of reference as published in statutory instrument 113 of 2011 were clear saying they were free to give evidence to the Commission but not in the manner they were suggesting.
He said the non – implementation of the Agreement by the government of Zambia had also disadvantaged the Nkoya speaking people.
He explained that the Barotse Agreement was a matter for discussion between government and the Barotse National Council (BNC).
Induna Yutanga said in all the discussions concerning the subject, the Nkoyas have declined to participate adding that past records provided evidence that all the stakeholders including the Nkoyas had taken part in the negotiations leading to the Barotse Agreement of 1964.
He advised a Mr. Moyo and Mr. Nkomesha to direct their views to the Barotse National Council or the Commission of Inquiry in an acceptable manner instead of inciting people by issuing seditious statements which he said could bring anarchy in the country.
Induna Yutanga also warned Mr. Nkomesha not to masquerade as spokesperson for the 35 tribes in the province because nobody ever gave him the mandate.
He has since appealed to media organizations not to take pleasure to publicize seditious propaganda by the duo whom he accused of thriving on propagating lies and un-researched information.
ZANIS
Its sad to note that these Nkoyas want to go a step forward and claim what deos not belong to them. if they Nkoyas are not comfortable being in Barotseland, they might as well hit the road and find some other place to live. we will not condone this type of behavior. Go back to Angola where you came from. getting sick and tired of you. no wonder you dubiously voted that refugee for parliamentary position. Nkoyas my foot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
And you go back to Lesotho where you came from!
why didnt the Lozis settle in the greener part of country instead of the sandy patch…one may wonder. how do you rule over some who has settled in a more fertile area.
zambia is a democracy…and we must never infringe on freedoms
Is the Barotse Agreement part of the 90 day promise? Well i have news for u. King Cobra intends spending the remaining part of 90 days reversing the blunders he made in his first 09 days. Sorry pipo.
Lozis found Nkoyas in Western Province. Where do you want them to go?
These Lozis are the most unrealistic and unreasonable people one can ever find in Zambia. They have made claims that parts of Botswana, Namibia and Zimbabwe also belong to Barotseland. However, they continue to agitate for homeland on the Zambian side. How ludicrous! Why don’t they go to the other three countries to lay claim? They know that their nonsense with not be tolerated. I wonder why the Zambian Government continues to treat these Lozis with “kids gloves”. So *****ic these people are. They are just a bunch of losers. I hope someone can shut them up. Let them know that they are not a factor in Zambia.
Continue wanking you dull frog…Who told you that you are a factor, yourself. whatever you say has the value of sewage. I suspect you are such a terrible failure your bedroom is hacked intoby your friends. Stop commenting you don’t know anything about…nobody asked for your opinion because it doesn’t count.
Jafy, pliz stop playing with your genitals in public. You do not have to pull your pants down in order for pipo to understand that you also have pubic hair. In as much as we have seen so far, you just undressed yourself to show us how shaggy your buffer is. I am not Lozi but Humbe- one of the minutest groups (I do not know if at all you have heard of this). I got stronger inclinations to the other boundaries than the Zambian one yet I have to reason, being an international historian, and get my facts correct before I can delve into the issue. From what you have shown so far, it potrays that you have read but very little. Word of caution, little knowledge is dangerous and even more dangerous in dealling with such sensitive issues. Please redigest the topic and get back to this blog
The woes of colonialism –the scares left behind still haunt us up to this day. I am Chewa and my genealogy traced ~5 hierarchies above includes people whose lineage is now in Malawi& Mozambique.
Surely, there ought to be an amicable way of sorting this whole mess out. Let us learn from what has/is happening to those that decided otherwise. Any well meaning Zambian will agree that waiting until the commission of inquiry finish with what they are currently working on –before coming out in the open– is the way to go.
#4 ZAMBIAN – go to the toilet man, it seems you leave all your senses there each time. You are too full from your dinner so you are belching noisely. Western province welcomed all you nkoyas and chaps from Angola. If you don’t want to be part of it, go back to Angola where you came from – or go to North-Western. You are a tiny minority group, don’t start anything silly you will just be wiped off the map. This is a very sensitive matter. There was no Barotseland before the lozis came there from Lunda-Luba, with the culture subequently changed by the Kololos from South Africa. The Lozis built that province and you were just welcomed into it. Just leave peacifully if you have had enough food and want to go to the toilet now. Yo nyela mdala.
Number 4 you are exposing your ignorance in Zambian History. The Luyis who later became the Lozis originated from the ancient Lunda Kingdom of Mwata Yamvwa in what is today Western Zaire. The leader of the Lozis’ during the trek to what is now Western Zambia was Mboo son of a woman called Mbuyamwambwa they came over in 1500s’ way before other tribes. For instance the Bembas crossed over from Baluba in what is today Zaire around 1650 and the Ngonis’ came from the South under Zwangendeba Jere around 1835. Most people tend to mix the origins of the Lozis with the Makololos who came from the South. Makololos merely conquered the Lozis and settled in Western Province for 25 years, but Lozis hit back and wiped all Makolos’ except for the women. So when did the Nkoyas’ arrive?
BRE is the not the government of Zambia. And therefore they have no right to silence anyone or group of people from expressing their views. boundaries are always changing. Africa was one, now we have about 50 States. Sudan is divided, Central Province was divided, now northern province is split. If Nkoyas want their own province, no one can stop them.
All the Nkoyas are saying is that they don’t want to be part of the Barotseland project, which they are entitled. So please don’t try & force them. You are scared you wont have enough support. Zambia is a democracy unlike the Barotseland. By the way Western Province is not just for the Lozis. So why are you calling it Barotseland. Just because that’s what the Colonials called. We are now in 21st Century not 19th when the British came over. Bloody colonial minded *****s
#7 NKISU – who cares about what you think mate. The Nkoyas have all the right to demand all the borders they want, they should just do that outside western province. Nkoyas make just about 5% of Barotseland population, in case you forgot to the toilet.
under international conventions ( ICCPR ) visa vi self determination of a people for new frontiers,its the Zambian government to allow you to be independent and no just wish.that wish is not enough to grant you people independence.all the best
Being a minority does not mean that you should not have an opinion. I shocked by your comment Njonje. You live in a foreign country were you are a minority and yet you have a rights and opinions! Get real mate.
Nkoyas my people, ba tanga baka, WTH are you talking about? You have been bribed by PF to bring confusion to the BA64 debate. Listen, it will not work. The sleeping elephant is awake and when it walks through the jungle, everyone must hear it. The truth will be known about BA64 and your dream of another province will remain just that… a dream!!
Mr Yutanga, whatever, just as you have the right to seek secession from Zambia, so does a territory of your new found country, Nkoyaland , have a right to seek secession from yours. So suck it up!!
#10 The PROF – Let’s face it. Having a right does not entitle you to boring people with nonsense. Also talking nonsense everytime just because you have your human rights amounts to abuse of your own rights and people will start wondering the level of your IQ. The truth remains: any minority tribe that feels agrieved by being in western province is FREE TO LEAVE. You can’t have this nonsense in Northern Province or Southern or Eastern. Let the Nkoyas go, but what we will not have is have 5% of the provincial population decide the shape of the map of Western province especially when they are in truth just still refugees. Lozis are not aggressive in nature (Zambia would be in civil war by now if they were), but small tribes trying to over-step their mark is laughable. Nkoyas chill…
#12 CHILOMBO – read my posting at number 13 above… In your dreams, go back where you came from. Try migrating to Bembaland, or Ngoniland or Tongaland…I’m sure they will happily receive you with open arms, you thankless so-and-sos! Or even better, go back to Angola. Western province is for Lozis and peaceful minority tribes, wherever they come from in Zambia and abroad. Time for the Lozis to roll with the punches is GONE…if you start a war now, be ready to fight it and see it through…and you better win, mate!
Unfortunatley,the pro-Lozi bloggers here are acting emotionally . If you guys feel so strongly that you can overrun the Nkoyas, the fact of the matter is that the Zambian government will not sit idle but intervene and in the end there is no victor. The Nkoyas may have come later, but history also shows that just like every other ethnicity, you did not originate from there. Due to what we`ve witnessed over the years since the dawn of Multi-party democracy in Zambia, where each and every leadership past and present has thrived on Cronyism, tribal bigotry and chimbuyarship, the best system of government would be Federalism. This would quell dissension.
#8 NjenjeFirst I was not personally writing you. If you want to engage me, try to debate rationally. The Lozi speaking people are not the indigenous people of Western province from Adam. The Makololo and Luyi came in and overcame the people who were there first. It is a conquered land like any other. Therefore you can’t speak as though God made the Lozi people and settled them in Western province. Israel was “God’s country” today it is divided with Muslims. Turkey was a Christian country today is Muslim. Lunda Empire, Shaka Zulu, Babylon and Greek Kingdoms were great but are no more. This will teach you that no kingdom lives for ever but only that of God. USA was a slave country today is the freest country on earth, no one can suppress the human spirit for ever.
In January some people were arrested and later imprisoned, none of you speaking loud here contributed to welfare to the families of those affected. They needed lawyers and upkeep for there families-they were languishing until a few days ago. Those who signed the 1994 agreement made a mistake and were duped. The same way Lobengula was. So don’t cry pver spieled milk. Zambia now has a constitution that does not recognize BRE. Moreover today you kids with names like Akashambatwa Mulenga what are you going to do with them. Give a break to the Nkoyas, they are free people and will make choices for their owm destine. They have no masters, they are their own master. It is a bitter pill but truth.
#15 DILDO, #16 NKISU – those are your opinions of course. For us, western province is western province. If even Sata tries to be,ittle this and does something that he himself cannot do in Northern province this could mean a lot for the stability of Zambia. We don’t care what people are saying in terms of their opinions. The plan foir western province is just ONE. Western province ofcourse will remain part of Zambia. However, the idea of dividing it into two provinces could plunge Zambia into unprecedented civil strife maybe evencivil war. Don’t take this lightly, mates. the NKOYAS can leave Barotseland, nobody even cares. Sata today can afford to divide Northern without a statutory instrument because that is HIS HOME PROVINCE. Any other region can bring civil problems to Zambia. FINITO.
#16 NKISU – which province do you come from? Can you speak like that of YOUR province please??? Western province does NOT have that kind of language talking about “future possibilities”!! Who cares what western province will be like in the year 2250? Can you tell Sata that the decision he has made to sub-divide Northern province is wrong because in the year 3610 there will be civil war between Muchinga and Northern provinces due to this subdivision? RIDICULOUS!!! Your argument sounds reasonable and I suspect you are a really nice person; HOWEVER, your argument doesn’t wash it logically! You are too reasonable for the current times — you should probably begin your national building dialogue with the NKOYAs and ask them to LEAVE without disturbing life for the majority in Barosteland.
Don’t worry of where I come from. That will bring another topic! I am not against Barotseland. I lived there for sometime. On another note, you need to know that Sata is not the author of the division of Norther province.If you follow current affairs very well, you will discover that the issues has been there for a long time. I don’t Sata by the way! The Barotseland agreement had flows, to live a better life you have to forget the past-either good or bad. Otherwise you might live in bitterness or regrets. Laws change, time change, governments change, countries also change. You can not stand still and let the world pas over you. Today’s leaders should create peace and not divisions and wars like our forefathers. Let Nkoyas be happy, if they were slaves yesterday, they are free today.
Years ago Black people were slaves in the US, today one of them is President. Some whites are bitter about it, but they have to agree that time has changed. Northern Rhodesia is now Zambia, Nyasaland is now Malawi. So to stay in 1964 and let other tribes submit to another for ever is unrealistic. People who think like that become dictators like Gaddafi and their end is always terrible. USA belonged to Indians today it is a different story. A federal government in Zambia will do. The same way Barotseland should live, so is the Nkoya kingdom is they wish. Some conflicts are not necessary
This Barotse Agreement is a load of nonsense and I can bet my last ngwee on the fact that it shall never see its realisation for as long the world exists.
The Nkoyas are as rebellious to the Lozis as the Lozis are to the Government. Remember, just in the recent past, there was a Lozi shadow cabinet circulated before being rebutted. If the Lozis feel that Nkoyas are stepping on their toes, they better think twice because they, the Lozis have been under the Government skin for sometime now. Kingdoms or Chiefdoms driven rule belongs to the annals of history. If you treated the Nkoyas with fairness, dignity and respect as equals am sure you would find an amicable solution to your differences. However, your persistent error has been regarding them as a subjugated ethnicity. Once again, I repeat, federalism should be the way forward for Zambia.
Most people say Sata is a dictator. How about the King of Barotse and his subjects? I for one welcome giving independence to the Barotse Kingdom on condition that there be a vote to independence. I’m from Copperbelt, which is part of Barotse Kingdom and I’m ready to vote.
Njenje you,re too narrow minded. You speak like Litunga himself. Ve never head of Lozi who is so shalow and it is only you. Give others space to express their minds bafoon! What is so special about you yourself and self ploclaimed wars? You have made a decision to chase all the Kololo? You’re not educated that’s why you speak like a fool.
Okay lets destroy everything. Let there be civil war between the lozi and the rest of zambian tribes, nkoyas included. The lozis will surely loss as theu will starve to death with their sand.Shame to all those supportRing the nonsense that BRE is. One Zambia One Nation.Let there be peace in our land
Kaoma was once called Mankoya district – the realism of nkoya-ness and to suggest that Lozis tradtionally own Kaoma district is absurd. More so that even Naliele the Lozi palace is gaztted under chief Mutondo, a nkoya. The Lozi have failed to respond to the High Court case against the Lozi chief at Naliele since 2000. Some files are assumed to be missing at the High Court. Nkoyas, put an injunction on the use of royal drums and the world will know that Lozis are empty with no heritage grounds to claim Kaoma district and east of Lukulu boma. Where are real leaders of the nkoyas who were so clear in the 1990s! Sinci lozi is not a tribe, which among the lozi ethnic grouping is claiming to first in Kaoma, your palace as Lozi came in the late 50s. This is after Mankoya boma was founded. Fact.
Nkoyas shift if you want….bullshiiiiiiit…what we want this time is barotseland our land our fathers land…..we you there whaen Kind Lewanika found barotseland stupid folls…
@24 Kwalonyo; how will they starve if that has always been their home even before the stu,,,pid country known as Zambia was created by a white man? Remove your head from the stinking hole in your backside. Arent these the same Nkoyas whose MP in Mangango is in court trying to save his a’s.s from being deported to Angola? Sata believes that you are a bunch of refugees from Angola. Not even your Chief Mutondo is being listened to when he says the MP is his subject. Kafue Province my bu.tt….do you want to set up your province in Kafue National Park? Good luck you may just suceed coz the in Plot 1 does not value nature!Muchinga province was created to syphony resources to Northern Province but what exactly is the rationale for Kafue. Sata wont listen to u his priority is Bembaland!
By the way why is that Mr Nkomesha’s statement is not posted on this sight and you have choosen to give the response. This is part of Lozi manupulation. In this struggle, nkoyas will become victors no matter how long it takes, learn from South Sudan. The question of BA64 WOULD only be solved with the nkoya solution.
NJANGWAMULOTI samehow you are right but let me just add abit to what you said.
One of the childred of Mwambwa was mbuywamwambwa where the curent leadership comes from and the other one was Soka ,then Nalinanga ,Its from this family that the responsibility to look after the drums (yona milupa yamulena) of the Litunga mulena yomuhulu caming from.So the poeple of the family of Noleya coming from the family of the brother of Mbuywambwa became know as the Nkoya.Now when those poeple where busy exhibiting their ignorance i was just looking at them.And are the type of poeple when things be come heated up they runn away like Sulapwa and start alk from other countries .We need poeple to seriously talk about what they know with facts.
Viva BRE, @ Kwalombota u mulozi wakakai nja ya maho wena??. Its easy to start a war but difficult to end it, Have you even ever head a sound of a gun you *****. Do you even understand the consquences and effects of a civil war malanga a kukwahao wena.The demands by our nkoyas in Barotseland in a non-stater.BA64 is an international and a national agreement not the foolish ignorance you are displaying here rats….Not even a centimeter will be cut from the Barotse territory unless you fully ready for a calamity.
We shall honor the Barotseland Agreement as promised within 90 days of our being in government.
NKISU, DILDO, NSHUMFWA & the REST OF YOU —- we are not stopping the Nkoyas from forming their own province. That is where you are missing my point. The Nkoyas, like everyone of us, have their right to set up their own province. HOWEVER, they should ask President Sata for extra land to do that – may be he will give them Kafue national park. About sub-dividing Western province, that will happen in their dreams and they are better off not pushing their luck. NSHUMFWA you call me narrow-minded – it takes a thief to easily identify another thief. Those of you talking the Barotse Agreement 1964 – we are not talking about the BA, this discussion is about the Nkoyas dreaming abou forming their own province by sub-dividing Western province.
In any case, if your part of history were to be admitted, still more that does not lead to perpetual marginilization of the nkoya people, theft of land and blacklisting in government and business. As today, in this government there is no nkoya. We read fron Tumfweko that even a diplomat, the only nkoya senior servant is being recalled. Who on earth will stomach this. And even your Mutangwelwa and Simenda because they are lozi, Inonge Wina has given them diplomatic jobs, one UPND vice president and the a political rebel leader the BPF. SO WE MOVE INTO GEAR, NEVER AGAIN, KUCHA MASIPA ALITAKA ZALUNA, Nkoyas soldier on.
#33 FACT TRUTH – your comparison of Nkoyas to South Sudan situation is disgusting! Stop trivialising other countries’ problems like that. How can you compare the extreme suffering of the South Sudanese to the life of the Nkoyas in Zambia? So who has been making the Nkoyas suffer like that? Are you acusing the successive governments of Zambia of systematically killing and discriminating against the Nkoyas? You should be thinking carefully before saying some things and it just shows the level of your illiteracy. If you are that mentally retarded don’t comment because you will offend other people. If the Nkoyas have sufered that much then definitely it is not the Litunga who has made them suffer, you *****. Which Grade are you doing, and at which primary school? Talk to your mother!!
#33 FACT TRUTH – your comparison of Nkoyas to South Sudan situation is disgusting! Stop trivialising other countries’ problems like that. How can you compare the extreme suffering of the South Sudanese to the life of the Nkoyas in Zambia? So who has been making the Nkoyas suffer like that? Are you acusing the successive governments of Zambia of systematically killing and discriminating against the Nkoyas? You should be thinking carefully before saying some things and it just shows the level of your illiteracy. If you are that mentally retarded don’t comment because you will offend other people. Which Grade are you doing, and at which primary school? Talk to your mother!!
Lets do it the Sudan way then.. Referendum. Coz Lozis can’t just say whoever want to leave western province let them go.. GO WHERE??? Believe you me most Lozis abroad and leaving in other provinces are not for this flipping idea. Its only thos old forks pushing for unreasonable seccion.
#41 MBUZI – You are proposing the right answer to the wrong question. Nobody is talking about seccession here. We are talking about the Nkoyas. SECCESSION is a dead subject , even the Litunga declared long time ago before the elections that Western Province is part of Zambia. So I don’t even know what you are on about. Coming back to the Nkoyas, what we are saying is that we are not going to allow them to sub-divide the province because they were just welcomed to the province. If you are a guest in a house you cannot start to allocate who sleeps in which bedroom…you will be kicked out! If the Nkoyas want their own province, they should petition President Sata to find them land for their desired separate province, maybe in Kafue National Park. We don’t need them in Western Province.
Njenje tone down. There are other educated lozis who do’nt even speak about this. MPs, DC, Diplomats, Those in the copperbelt and Lusaka. Am sure all have equal rights to suggest the best last solution to this issue. Nkoyas belong to Western province for centuries before the agreement. The inter-marriege in so big that you can fail to seperate who is who. Be careful.
There is no Nkoya ofr Luyi, but Lozi solution. Put everything in historical persepective. What difference does it make – Nkoya or Ng’oya. Luyi or nothing. All are Lozi. Wiat. When, not if, I inherit the Mwene Mutondo seat.
Can the Aka Monde join the debate.
ALL NKOYA SPEAKING PEOPLE SHOULD NOT TAKE MESSRS NKOMESHA AND MOYO SERIOUSLY. THEY ARE MACHONA BA MU KALALE. THEY ARE BIG MOUTHS AND HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER. WHAT INTEGRITY HAS NKOMESHA TO HIS CREDIT. HE IS AN OLD MAN WHO HAS MARRIED A WOMAN FIT TO BE HIS GROUND CHILD. NKOMESHA HAS ALL HIS SMALL INVESTMENTS IF ANY IN LUSAKA. HE TRIED TO USE THE NKOYA KAZANGA CULTURAL ASSOCIATION TO CHAMPOIN HIS PERSONAL AGENDA BUT ACHIEVED NOTHING. AS THOSE WHO WORKED AT LUSAKA CITY COUNCILAND INTER CITY BUS TERMINUS. THE MAN IS NEVER SERIOUS.
ALL NKOYA SPEAKING PEOPLE SHOULD NOT TAKE MESSRS NKOMESHA AND MOYO SERIOUSLY. THEY ARE MACHONA BA MU KALALE. THEY ARE BIG MOUTHS AND HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER. WHAT INTEGRITY HAS NKOMESHA TO HIS CREDIT. HE IS AN OLD MAN WHO HAS MARRIED A WOMAN FIT TO BE HIS GROUND CHILD. NKOMESHA HAS ALL HIS SMALL INVESTMENTS IF ANY IN LUSAKA. HE TRIED TO USE THE NKOYA KAZANGA CULTURAL ASSOCIATION TO CHAMPOIN HIS PERSONAL AGENDA BUT ACHIEVED NOTHING. ASK THOSE WHO WORKED AT LUSAKA CITY COUNCILAND INTER CITY BUS TERMINUS. THE MAN IS NEVER SERIOUS.
@42 Njenje So if its not about Seccession then whats it about??? I speak under correction, the whole BRE issue is about Western province getting its independence isn’t it? Now my question is did the BRE take into consideration the other 35 tribes that are settled in the province including the Nkoyas who’ve come out in the open to revoke the Agreement. And dont even talk of Civil war my brother because WP has no capacity to get to war, an example was the January 14 riots.
#43 NSHUMFWA – Don’t get me wrong. I’m for Zambia as a ONE country. I WILL NEVER SUPPORT SECCESSION. I wish that Nkoyas continue living in peace with everybody. Listen, Western province is not just for Lozis. Go deep into the valley and you will find Bembas speaking as they paddle on the Zambezi looking for fish. Do you think that all these people will like the economic and political upheaval that could result from splitting up western province? It is an unnecessary exercise just to favour a minority population chasing selfish goals. My family has all the four major tribes in it; I don’t condone tribalism and don’t like anybody who practices it. What the Nkoyas are doing is tribalistic and should be condemned NOT thanked. That is why I say they don’t deserve what they are asking for.
These loud mouths called LOZI’s are real LOSERS! First, they speak the language of their conqueror’s the Makolo who wired them and sired bastards with their women like mad, then they lied like mad to the land thieving British crooks about land the land they “owned” fa! fa! fa! they shouted pointing in all directions.
The British had NO RIGHT to colonize us and any treaties they signed with illiterate chiefs are not our problem. This Barotseland bullshit is colonial history, Colonialism is dead! Deal with it and get over it!
#48 CASSAVA REPUBLIC – You are just jealous. When Lozis were talking business with the white businessmen looking for minerals, you were still busy slave trading. Are you saying it was better to slave trade than to negotiate business deals with foreign investors. What the Lozis did opened up and created what is today Copperbelt. If Zambia had relied on you slave traders today we would still be in a jungle like monkeys. Here is a deal for you: no one is perfect from history, we all have skeletons. Stop talking as if you are clean. If we align what we were doing that time to what is happening today, YOU would be in prison for human trafficking and the LOZIs would be celebrated for bringing in foreign investors who brough development and civilisation to your jungle. Comprenez????
# Njenje
Your fore fathers claimed ownership of the copperbelt which they had never inhabited or so much as peed on…the British crooks knew this very well but went along with it because the X your illiterate chief had put on a piece of paper gave them the mineral rights to the rich land! The chief received royalties for years and years for this act of outright duplicity…yet you call it business!…and continue to perpetuate this “Barotseland” nonsense! Today we call such chaps conmen and put them in chimbokaila!
Your psychosis is clearly beyond modern medicine!
# Njenje
Your fore fathers claimed ownership of the Copperbelt which they had never inhabited or so much as peed on…the British crooks knew this very well but went along with it because the X your illiterate chief had put on a piece of paper “gave” them the mineral rights to this rich land!
The chief received royalties for years and years for this act of outright duplicity and theft…yet you call it business!…and continue to perpetuate this “Barotseland” nonsense! Today we call such chaps conmen and put them in chimbokaila!
This whole Barotseland thing is based on the biggest fraud in our colonial history!
#48 MBUZI – why are you talking about western province as if it is a separate country? How many tribes do you have in your province? How would you feel if out of the blues one of them said they want their own separate province? If you say nothing, then there is no poiint carrying on with this discussion because we are thinking at different levels. In a civil war, you don’t fight with stones, you fight with arms. You are probably the only Zambian who thinks what happened in January was a civil war in western province. If yo0u love the Nkoyas so much, then have them mate. I have stopped talking about seccession because it is a dead topic, and I don’t see the link between the Nkoya issue and seccession anyway.
The campaign is gaining momentum. The call by messers Nkomesha and Moyo is a noble cause that has been going since 1945 when the provincial borders of Zambia where created by the British colonial government. This Yutanga is himself an illegal immigrant in Kafue Province and he has no authority to speak about the areas under the Nkoya Royal Establishment.
Even the article in question was produced by some pro Lozi journalists because a balanced article should have also asked the opinions of those calling for Kafue Province to find out why they hold this view. The BRE think it is there right to restore the BA64 but at the same time seem to deny the Nkoyas their cultural right to self governance through Kafue Province.
Kafue Province is coming finally within 90 Days. Viva Kafue Province.
What form of government is being proposed in barotseland? Monarch, multi party, one party or what? This will determine whether or not this barotseland will be peaceful or not if at all autonomy is granted
#53 KAFUE PROVINCE SUPPORTER – provinces are never created just because someone wakes up in the middle of the night and claim they have had an epiphany. It may be desirable to the Nkoyas to have their own province but so have the Nsengas been claiming that they need their own province with headquarters in Luangwa. And so have the Lundas and Kaondes in North-Western continuously fought over who actually owns North-Western and that the province should be split. The list goes on. Every educated jim and jack knows that provinces are expensive to create and so they are not created necessarily for tribal reasons, they are created primarily for economic reasons. Nkoyas need a strong economic reason for a separate province – and that reason is non-existent. May be get a lawyer, a Nkoya lawyer!
#54 MWANGUNI – abena even it is dullness, your dullness can shock even a dog!! Even the nkoyas are not talking about secceding from Zambia, they are talking about separating from western province. WHO IS TALKING ABOUT SECCESSION HERE????? What grade are you doing, at which primary school mate??? Use that brain of yours to think through issues being discussed.
Kafue Province without Lukulu. Is the Nkomeshya of Lukulu? If so, we know him downside up. We know his motivation. I am also Nkoya, perhaps more Nkoya than those who profess so. What with my link to the Mwene Mtondo Royal House. We Nkoyas are Lozi, just as the Aka Monde are. Lozi is everyone domiciled in Barotseland by 1900. By 1900 Great King Lubosi Lewanika the First had created a nation state to the envy of the British empire. 2008 presentation by a group from Kaoma at Kuomboka concluded with “Sho batendanga ba ku mwaka”. Now who is Nkomenshya. I have roots in three kingdoms in WP. Someone, an old, very old great grandfather once told me I could even claim Lilanda and Kamwala using my Nkoya roots. Would you say that is ridiculous? Noyone, noyone should divide us. we are all Lozi.
Bo “Litilimbwa says @# 1”, try to chew your facts before you swallow any trash. You must take a fair and objective observationto the effect that the MP for Kaoma was indeed the son of the Angolan refugee, just as Sata and Guy Scotts were sons Tanzanian and Scottish respectively who settled in the then Northen Rhodesia to rightfully acquire Zambian citizenship. This time around, the British are frowning upon seeing their kith & kin Guy Scott representing Zambiain Australia, in his capacity as a Vice-President. The Barotseland issue is too complex because the boundaries delimiting this so-called British Protectorate are very questionable, and are beeing challenged by the Lozi-speaking Nkoyas. Let us read history to get down to the truth.
Kafue Province does not need an economic reason to be created because the reasons are obvious, Kaoma is a power house for agriculture, it is also a potential tourism power house because of the vicinity of Kafue National Park. There is potential for mining and more importantly as a trade hub in the Western part of Zambia due to its central location.
Therefore the economic reason is well known and we firmly believe that the creation of Kafue Province will contribute to Zambia’s overall economic development.
For those who do not know Mankoya (kaoma) is one of the areas that was captured by the Makololo, it is the Lozi warriors with the Mbunda fighters who reclaimed when the Makololos fell. From way back the Nkoyas appealed to BRE in Lealui to position Lozi princes at Nalieli for protection. Nkoyas and Lozis are brothers nothing will change that. Nkomeshya is just a trouble maker who lives in Lusaka and gained part of his wealth through dubious allocation of plots @ Lusaka District Council where he worked. He also speaks fluent Lozi by the way. It is even a waste of time debating statements from Nkomeshya. He is one of those that was being used some MMD members before general elections following pronouncements by MCS they will review the BA1964 when PF comes into power.
one zambia one nation for life!!!!
# Njenje
Your fore fathers claimed ownership of the Copperbelt which they had never inhabited or so much as peed on…the British crooks knew this very well but went along with it because the X your illiterate chief had put on a piece of paper “gave” them the mineral rights to this rich land!
The chief received royalties for years and years for this act of outright duplicity and theft…yet you call it business!…and continue to perpetuate this “Barotseland” nonsense! Today we call such chaps conmen and put them in chimbokaila!
This whole Barotseland thing is based on the biggest fraud in our colonial history!
The struggle of the people of South Sudan was due to marginalization and suppresion. Yes, the Lozis coinived with colonial rulers to send a nkoya chief in exile. Then a nkoya chief was killed by poisoning. Nkoya books were burnt in all Mankoya district schools and the teaching of shinkoya was abolished. Nkoya was blocked from been aired on ZNBC. The lozi MPs met at some old lozi poltician in 1997 to fight the only nkoya MP in parliament. The list of an agenda to destroy the nkoyas by lozis is endless. Nkoyas can be forced to be lozis. they are Zambians and BA64 CREATES a supper tribe in Zambia and all Zambians, nkoyas included can and will never accept to be second class citizens. No government or president worth of his salt can consipire to destroy his people. Think again.
yes, be human, count. how many nkoyas are in government with Inonge lead PF team from western province. Nkoyas will not look back and will soldier on.
I consider myself Lozi my descendants are a mixture of Kwangwa, Subiya, Toka, Nkoya, Kololo and Luyi. I am sure it is a similar case of a mix of tribes for many others from Western Province and nothing will change that BA1964 aside. So it is quite mis-leading when one tries to elienate the Nkoyas from the Lozi, when even Sir Mwanawina Lewanika who signed the BA64 had Nkoya parentage. However everyone has a right to be heard, the Nkoya head-men and chiefs are also part of the Barotse National Council which is reviewing the issues of concern in Western Province why not give them a chance. Just this week there was a documentary on BBC on how large tracks of land have been sold to commercial farmers displacing locals. We who come from Western Province should consider ourselves fortunate
in that the BRE as custordian of customary land are doing a great job. In some provinces you have even Chinese boasting of ownership of large areas of land, with the anticipated population boom in Zambia, land will become a major issue. For example Kaoma is one of the areas with fantastic timber which finds its way into South Africa where it processed, but the manner in which this timber is exploited does not benefit the locals, these are the issues BA1964 is about. There is also the issue of re-stocking of trees, without efficient land and tree management all the trees will be wiped out.
Correct, we ned to honest dialogue. And true, there is mixed blood among the people of Western Province, a common factor in contemplary Zambia. The challenege in BA64 debate is relations as already witnessed by nkoya marginalization in government jobs and business. Also, the abuse of the Litunga in land thefts in Kaoma. Lealui has choosen to ignore these issues. In 1995, people physically fought in Namilangi area and the imposed Kalunga is now a senior induna in Limulunga. So where is brotherhood of nkoya and lozi tirbes! Nkoyas have vehemently objected to this black “racialism” in 21st century. There educated nkoyas and will never accept this exploitation. Never, never and till death takes every nkoya, lozis must be careful.
Borderline, both sides need to sit at the discussion table and bring all your cards out don`t hide any.
To be forewarned is to be forearmed. Hate begets hate as this could be cyclical with no ending in sight as evidenced by history and by the way, a place is greener until you get there.Be careful what you wish for. Nurture, Cherish and enjoy the prevailing peace.
DISCOURSE!! DISCOURSE!! DISCOURSE!! is the only option and time is a healer.
Follow this One Zambia, One Nation. You have confessed that you originated from other countries now it is better you leave it for Lenjes and the Tongas. These are the original Zambian.
Dont force the Nkoyas to remain under barotse if they wish to opt out.
Point of correction in 64 meant my ancestors were. Of course dialogue is essential and I am sure it is taking place right now. Bearing in mind that the people of Western Province are related and inter-married across tribes, the issue of Western Province can not be alikened to that of Sudan as with Sudan there is a significant difference between people of the North and those of South even in colour. Difference always occur even within brothers, the petinent issue is resolving disagreements in an amicable manner.
#61 CASSAVA REPUBLIC – I repeat you are just jealous. Take your inferiority complex to your home and have some nshima. I don’t need to listen to you. A slave trader and human trafficker has no right judging me. Your rendition of historical events smacks of a semi-literate person who thinks they know a lot when actually you are full of ignorance. It just says a lot of about if you glorify human trafficking that much. Nothing more to say; we are on different scales of the morality scale.
TO EVERYBODY – I’m not sure I understand the thinking capacities of people commenting on this subject. NOBODY is clinging on to the Nkoyas. Nobody has stopped them from doing what they want. NOBODY has forced them to be part of Western Province – they are less than 5% of western province.. Nkoyas can go wherever they want. STOP talking about Lozis as if they’re a group of miserable people with no hope on this earth and want to cling to the littlest thing they find. We are a group of very capable and intelligent human beings. In the great scheme of things we don’t need any other tribe including the nkoyas to make it in life. What the BRE are saying is that there is the right channel for doing things. At the moment the BRE have the authority over traditional matters in the province.
#62 63 FACT TRUTH – You are one of the bitter Nkoyas. Listen, when your province is finally created, you will still be waking up in the same bed that you are sleeping now in the same house as now. If you have not succeeded in life you can’t blame anybody for that but yourself. INONGE did not join the PF with the promise to give Nkoyas jobs. She is not the president of PF and was actually invited by the President to join PF and she agreed because she saw the need for change. If the President did not invite a Nkoya, you can’t blame that on Inonge and all the Lozis. You will eventually get your province probably, but your personal failures will continue. It is now getting to the point where even when somebody is constipated from eating too much beans, the Lozis are to blame. Grow up.
Which century are you living in?????????????????
no 6 .
YOUR …..a……SS….. HO……LE
# njenje
You did not respond to the real charges I made. The truth hurts…those who do learn from history are condemned to repeat its mistakes! The real history will stun you… The Barotseland bullshit is a sham…the British crooks who conned the world that they had “obtained” mineral rights for what is now called the Copperbelt from your chief all those years ago must be laughing in their graves!
ZAMBIANS HAVE MOVED ON!
GO ON WITH WITH YOUR WET DREAMS ABOUT BOROTSELAND IN THE 21ST CENTURY
Lozi or Nkoya nationalism should well harnessed. Currently, we are at each others’ throats, to the plessure of those who vow not to see Barotseland make progress. Where is our sense of unity that saw us conquer much of South – Central Africa in the 19th Century. Fact – Nkoya, Mbunda, Luvale and all the Luyi groupings in unity we created a nation state and structures of governance such as the British did not think existed on the face of the earth. We conquered the land we claimed, just as others had conquered the same land from earlier people. 21st Century, my foot! Are we going to blame ourselves for the disappearance of the Bushman race from Central Africa?
Inonge Wina pleaded with Sata. She hates MMD because Chiluba made the husband lose elections for MMD presidency. President Sata like any president is supposed to look after all Zambians. Leaders from the provinces look after their regions in terms of recommendations to the president. That is why regions look for representation in cabinet to fully get people who understand those regions fully and honestly advise the presidency. So it is not about frustration, it is about right represenation in government, a right of all Zambians. So the Inonge lies about the nkoyas and bundas are hurting the PF government. As for Kaoma and our own province, we are more than ready. Am I poor, well, this e-world, you need proper training to know where an e-mail is coming from. Are all nkoyas poor, never.
As a matter of fact, it is the greed and narrow mindedness of the lozi that borders on marginlizing other tribes that the nkoyas and mbundas are vehemently opposed to BA64.
I met a Luvale man from Kawaya area of Zambia’s Lukulu District in Botswana, who told me, with nationalistic pride, that he was now a Mutswana. And here we are debating whether or not a Nkoya is a Mulozi. Truth be told. If a Nkoya, is not Lozi, then who is. Why do we want to devide our people on narrow, selfish interests. Barotseland is a nation state united around a common heritage and language. Read the debates in the House of commons in the years just beore 1964, and in 1964. You get a sense that parliamentarians were opposed to the betrayal of the Batrose to the Zambian Government. At independence, Barotseland was number on development indicators, had the most educated population. Where are we today? Poverty avearges 83%, and 98 percent for Mitete in Lukulu district.
BA 64, is lozi diven document to gain privildge status among Zambians and steal land in Kaoma. The old man who has no village in Kaoma. He lives in Chief Mutondo’s chiefdom and asked a nkoya induna for a piece of land. Even the Naliele lozi chief had to ask Mwe Matanda and other nkoya indunas for land. Surely, knowing the self=esteem of lozis, if this land in Kaoma was theirs, would they ask a nkoya for land. Then remember that Naliele chief was sued and using lozi connections, ask the curent minister of jistice, he was the lawyer and Mwanawas was used and he was given a job. All the cases in magistrates court between lozi and nkoya, lozi lost. so go for injunction over the nkoya royal drums being abused by lozis. nkoyas be strong, your hunters not fishermen, batubulu abe nyela meshi.
FACT TRUTH – you are too far below intellectually to engage me in any argument. Take your bitterness to you wife or girlfriend and may be a little bit of shima-ya-lupa and kasumbi will help. I have answered all your questions I don’t what you still want from me. INONGE has never said anything about you Nkoyas. INONGE never pleaded with Sata – for WHAT? To start with she was already an MP. Go to President Sata and complain that you think Nkoyas are one of the big tribes and derseve a sit on his Cabinet. He will tell you why he does not have a Nkoya on his Cabinet. Without doubt, you are the dullest Nkoya I have ever encountered and I’m shocked because I never knew a Nkoya can be this dull…you beat all records! You hatred for Lozis will eat up inside out… Get a life! Kambwita mamina!
#79 CASSAVA REPUBLIC – what real charges did you make? What history do you keep refering to, you miserable jealous sould of God. Go to Church and seek deliverance from the innocent lives you sold to America while we were busy bringing in foreign investors! Listen, there is no Lozi who is claiming land beyond western province, what for? Copperbelt is all yours. We never took any copper from there. Do you think with the level of dullness you are exhibiting even on this blogsite you could have developed the Coppermines? I mean you were there with copper all around you and yet you had no clue it was there. We had to bring in those guys who brought the railway line. And you? No, you were busy slave trading. It is YOU who is supposed to face charges for human trafficking!!! Satisfied now??
#80 CHILD OF THE SKY – my brother you can’t force people to stay together. Let the Nkoyas go. Some of them are so big-headed they think Lozis depend on them. The problem with Nkoyas is that many of them have this massive, almost pathological, inferiority complex. Just check the postings being made by ‘FACT TRUTH’. I have met some Nkoyas before even trying to change their names to those from other provinces. They are completely unreliable. Let them go, and this time they should never be allowed back or to ever masquerade as Lozis to gain benefit. I’m personally fed up to my back teeth with them. They are the worst cowards I have met in life.
R u telling me that the Litunga managed to subdue the other tribes in the so called BRE territory. This is a colonial relic and until they negotiate land from Angola and Namibia and the other Chiefs such as Mukuni, Kapijimpanga and ask them to be subservient to the LITUNGA then we can start negotiations. I see this whole issue as a non starter. There are infact serious warrior tribes in Zambia that could have owned the whole country at the time. Don’t cause unnecessary anarchy abash division of borders. ONE ZAMBIA ONE NATION.
Mr President invite all the Chiefs in the ”BRE territory” and let them tell us what they want……
Just what is the big deal about all this. Personnally I would like the to be separated from Zambia coz they are generally a selfish pipo. its difficult to have a one zambia one nation with lozis there. All they think about is themselves. I hope that that sata grants you your wish to go. Just dont claim anything more than just western pronvice coz you end up with nothing. Leave they nkoyas alone coz we will accomodate them.
There has never been a tribal census carried out in Western Province for some of you bloggers to claim that Nkoyas only make up 5% of the population. If that is the case, who makes up the other 95%, can you give the percentage of each tribe in WP since Lozi itself is not a tribe? You will be suprised to note that Nkoyas make up over 65% of the population of WP and that is minus other Nkoyas who reside in other Provinces like CP, SP and NWP.