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Draft Constitution to be ready by June 2012, Committee denies getting hefty allowances

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Citizens Forum Executive Secretary Simon Kabanda

The technical committee on the drafting of the new constitution has announced that the draft constitution will be ready June 2012.

Committee spokesperson Simon Kabanda revealed in Lusaka yesterday morning that the technical committee commenced its sittings on the 1st of December, 2011.

He said that so far, the committee has prepared the rules of procedure of the meetings and consultations and the programme of work, which have since been adopted for use.

Mr. Kabanda stated that in light of the various efforts in the past aimed at reviewing and reforming the Zambian constitution, the main task of the committee is to review Zambia’s previous draft constitutions and come up with a draft national constitution based on the technical committee findings from the previous processes.

He said that the committee has been tasked to review the mung’omba draft constitution of 2005 and use it as the basis on which to develop the national constitution.

He further said that the technical committee has begun the process of developing working documents, taking into account the reports and draft constitutions of the previous review commissions.

And the technical committee on the drafting of the new constitution has dismissed reports that it is getting hefty allowances during its sittings.

Committee spokesperson Simon Kabanda said that the allegations are not true as being alleged by some reports.

Mr. Kabanda said that contrary to the assertions, the committee has not yet gotten any funds from government since they started sitting.

He says that government is still handling the matter, and that the committee will ensure that accountability is applied.

He said that the committee has pledged to ensure that it makes public how the funds are being applied.

Mr. Kabanda has further called on Zambians to support the committee in coming up with a people driven constitution.

66 COMMENTS

  1. That is not anywhere close to a constitution that is people driven.This is a committee driven constitution designed to serve the interests of those in power.No input from the common Phiri or a Namwanga on the street.They need to have townhall meet the people consultations to hear their views.

  2. @Enka. Are you dull or what? these people have said it that they will review past constitutions and come up with a consutitution. I thought those past draft consutitutions are collection of peoples views. Now which peoples views are you talking about. We should just keep on collecting peoples views?

  3. Number 01 u are failure. Wake up we are living in a computer age anything is possible 90 days is even too long a period. Wake up, its sounds u are tonga or lozi.

    • No need to see tribe in such a submission @1. Learn to differ with others without mentioning or thinking in terms of tribe. Zambians must be much smarter than this.

    • Number 4 u r an asshole what has lozi done to u? u must be contaminated by monkey meat!
      we r talking about what the PF promised: a constitution within 90 days
      so why are they taking it to june 2012 if not so that they can keep getting allowances?

  4. @2 Enka Rasha

    We just don,t have the resources to afford such, Remember our national budget is much smaller compared to that of Havard University. Yours is a very good idea, but not affordable l am afraid.

  5. Bwezani tell them, it looks we have a lot of educated fools. There are busy using the computer for emails and useless comments, but fail to analyse the constitution using the same pc. Work is already there, just a matter of put it correctly.

  6. This KAPONYA in the name of Committee spokesperson Simon Kabanda (SMALL GHOST in Bemba) is not denying the allegations but hear this, “Mr. Kabanda said that contrary to the assertions, the committee has not yet gotten any funds from government since they started sitting.So ”

    So when the Government releases the FUND then Kabanda (SMALL GHOST in Bemba) and his VULTURES will devour our public money by sharing.

    Kabanda has not refused to say he wont get the money but the GOVERNMENT has not released the money YET!

    Even the Roman Catholic Priests who have been appointed have not recanted this they will CHEW our money these VULTURES!

    Shame indeed!

  7. Enka, what you are suggesting has already been done many times before… it would be a waste of resources to repeat it… So let us just review what those nation wide consultations produced in the past and compile that into a document we can be happy with…

  8. #2 Enka Rasha, where were you when the constitution review commission was going around the nation from province to province when president Mwanawasa started this constitution making process ? it just shows that you are among people who did not submitt views to the CRC OR NCC when the all process started during MMD governance in Mwanawasa time visa vie RB administration lead by chifumu Banda, The issues here is that there are already submission from all provinces in the country that were carried over during mwanawasa and now president Sata commission should act upon those reviews , And 6 months is enough

  9. Shaka OZ@5

    You really do have an obsession with Bemba men and the catholic church please do enlighten us to what this derives from:
    Could you have been a catholic who was nabbed fondling boys privite parts?
    Could same Bemba man have used his big pipe on your wife, mother, sister or daughter?
    Could you father have sodomised you pretending to be a Born again?
    Could the thought of a Bemba giving it to your sister turn you on so much u jerk when driving 
    Could this lead to u crashing that truck jerking of dreaming of Bemba men ?
    Could just be too tiny down under you blame Bembas ?

  10. Sata claimed this process will be done in 3 months. I honestly wonder what election pledge this man will be able to keep. Anyway, for all intent and purposed, his terrible health might see him resident in Embassy Park with Levy and FTJ before June 2012

  11. shaka oz, you are a fool. a stupid fool. stop blogging on this site. you are polluting it with your nonsense. why cant you be objective for once. you…. you…

  12. THERE WERE NICE CLAUSES IN THE LAST FLOPPED CONSTITUTION, HOPE THEY WILL USE THEM. ZAMBIA, HOW WE CAN AFFORD TO LOSE MONEY AS THOUGH WE HAVE PLENTY. FRED DID THE SAME. LEVY DID THE SAME. LUPIYA DID THE SAME AND NOW SATA, WHAT GUARANTEE DO WE HAVE THAT NOW WE WILL GET IT RIGHT? SOMEONE SOMEWHERE IS LAUGHING AT US.

  13. @ 9 . I pray to the almighty if not the devil so you die before mr sata. Because you think you ve the right to talk about someones life like you own it. Wemwana wandoshi iwe. Chikala chobe.

  14. @ Shaka OZ,

    When will remove yourself from seeing everything in form of tribe. What has being Bemba got to do with being a spokes person. illiteracy in this country will kill us. Wake up guys. Be tribe at home and not in public. We will be better off if our thinking can change and start thinking ones tribe does not mean improved standard living. Wakeup pleaseeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!

  15. Am alwez worried. It looks like we have so many Zambians who think like Shaka OZ. When will guys stop thinking in terms of tribe. Wakeup guys. Tribe should only worry you if being a Bemba, Tumbuka, Kaonde mean improved standard of living. By the way, Northen province is the second poorest province in this counry. So whats this fuss all about. Wakeup>>>>>>>> and learn that speaking Bemba does not make one Bemba. Just like speaking English does not make you English. Lets debate objectively and help our nations grow. Dont just yappppp!!!!!

  16. I am impressed by the post-tribal tone that is now coming on this blog. These guys who talking tribe don’t even talk more than one Zambia language. Inferiority complex and yet they dont even realise that the Language which we are now using is not even ours! Objectivity is important. If you are frustated, the LT come up with a blog for frustated people they could insult each other if they want!!! Give us a break.

  17. Thank for your comments, if only we could all be civilised and mature about things thank you Bill@12/13,Mature@10 for your wise words
    Let’s stop all this tribal rubbish at once
    Being Bemba will not feed your family
    Being Lozi will not pay your kids school fees
    Being Tonga won,t make pay hospital bills
    Being ngoni won,t make you a president
    We need to work together as a people for the good  of our nation

  18. !. The Technical Committee is illegal because no law empowers the President to appoint a Technical Committee to draft the National Constitution
    2. The Constitution making process is not clear and does not define the enactment process. 3. Why is the draft Constitution to be presented to the President, the very things which were condemed under RB. 4. When the Constitution is presented to the Presdent next year, then what next?, Is it Cosntituency assembly, or Referendum? All these are not clear yet.

  19. The vote was change within 90 days, the constitution within 90 dys, employement for youth with 90 dys, New Barotseland nation within 90 dys. Z ambians can only be fools if within 90 dys they are fooled again.

  20. #15 Chimunya
    You and who? As you say we?
    You mean you and the loser from your village who the nation rejected
    You cannot impose a loser on us, had your loser candidate won yes he would be in charge, but your loser lost we have a Besa PF president in plot 1. You accept that and get your head out of your loser back side and get used to the fact that the Zambian electorate gave HE MCS &PF the authority to rule Zambia for 5 years.
    You just accept gracefully that your loser lost, he has to dust himself and try again & if he he lost again, maybe you are backing a losers loser, matey

  21. Kabanda, you campaigned for PF and you are rewarded. Cathloic bishops, speak out. Can the former bishop of Mongu, pray for Zambia in your after world.

  22. Good afternoon

    I urge everyone to think big and see beyond personal or tribal interests. The behaviour of slinging manure around other tribes will not move Zambia forward.

    As #16 has said, there is a common task for everyone of us who wants to see a better future for our country. We the civil society have an important role to play in building the nation, so let’s build it on a solid foundation. When we get an opportunity to air our views on a forum like this, we must be ready to share a positive message. It is rather sad to see some people taking freedom of speech for granted and using the forum to provoke as many people as possible.

  23. # 17 Zodiac, which constitution are you referring to? the same constitution we are trying to change? Zambians wake up and appreciate what PF government is trying to achieve. We are not a selfish political party. If had we wanted we could have started the whole new constitution making process but we chose to save the country some money. Remember, PF as a political party in opposition did not participate in NCC. We mean good, and we want every well meaning Zambian to support us. We don`t deny any one to criticize us but what we really appreciate is positive criticism – criticize and offer solutions. Thank you.

    • PF Cadre #26, Can you come out clear where you don’t pick my argument. Am raising geneuine concerns where most citizens feel sidelined and not clear about this constitution process. We must wake up from the Don’t Kubeba honeymoon and challenge the glaring constitutional breaches by the new administration.

  24. Its interesting that Kabanda who was very vocal in condemning others on the constitution is now presiding over the same process. Needless to say he will also benefit from the hefty payments in this whole process.However my point is this; When you are outside the football match, its easy to criticize those that are playing but when you are given the chance to play yourself, that’s when you realise that things are not as easy as 1,2,3.When you were campaigning with your 90 days rhetoric,we gave you the mandate and now you have already shifted to 9 months.We want the constitution without fail and let it be known that we will not sit and let you squander the money like George Kunda did. You will be made to pay back so no more extensions please, enough is enough.
    Thanks.

  25. How much are you expecting to pocket, i suppose was the question mr Kabanda.

    Not that nonsense of wether you have started pocketing or not yet.

    Please do tell us how much the commissioners or is it ‘experts’ will take home. More money in your pockets indeed.

  26. the govt hs not released the funds,remember mcs said they will managed their own acc not govt interference but subject to auditor general.

  27. Kumona fye pa chi picture at u nufyashi na temwa! Ka money kaingila. As usual, those who have, even more shall be added

  28. NO ALLOWANCES FOR THOSE NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION MAKING PROCESS. IT HURTS BUT WE HAVE TO BEAR THE FACT THAT THEY ARE DOING THE JOB FOR THE WHOLE COUNTRY. I HOPE THE PEOPLE BRAGGING ABOUT ALLOWANCES CEASE DISTRACTING THE COMMITTEE FROM DOING A NOBLE JOB. WE TRUST THAT THEY WILL PERFORM BETTER THAN THE COMMITTEE OF THE PREVIOUS REGIME . WHICH SQUABBLED OUR MONIES.

  29. #8 Chaka Mulinda,

    #10 mature,

    #12 bill,

    You BLINDFOOLS and immature PIT LATRINES!

    You mean you can not see through what this (Small Ghost) Kabanda is saying and LYING to Zambians?

    The man is saying Zambians are lying that this Technical Constitution Committee wont get HEFTY allowances but he said this Technical Committee is waiting for the PF government to release our Zambian TAX PAYERS Public fund then THEY will DECIDE!

    Simon Small GHOST (Kabanda) is telling LIES when in fact he will still get our money and IN FACT he will GET BACK DATED ALLOWANCES from our PUBLIC Funds once released.

    You are also VULTURES of the same kind!

    Could it be that you guys will also be BENEFICIARIES from these HEFTY allowances when paid to these VULTURES in Technical Committee people?

  30. @Pf cadre. Yo level of maturity is a source of admiration to any meaningful blogger. Its good to learn that most bloggers ar no longer fooled by anti_Pf &Sata critics. Criticism indeed should be positiv and based on merit, not ze one whic preaches tribal hate & selfish desires as elaborated by some peopl on ze premise of ze speakin 4ze poor. Sata himself confessed, saying, Zambia, never had a peopl driven constitution due to selfish politicians; presumably lik ze ones some bloggers ar shielding today.Sata’s comment assures us how committed he is to delivering a credible and peopl driven constitution.

  31. Forget about the distractors and just do the work . You have got an opportunity to give Zambia a constitution that will stand a test of time under the PF Government. If this committee does a good job it will be good for the country. Remember you are doing it for the future generations; they should not come and say there were no people.

  32. #24 President Santa
    In your head no one but only your experinced loser HH is fit for plot 1, but bear in mind for the second time the Zambian people have REJECTED him to 3rd choice, 
    Sorry mate you cannot expect us to accept you imposing YOUR LOSER on us no no badala
    We a democracy and such majority rules, and the majority that voted gave HE MCS the mandate to govern for 5 years. 
    So insulting the president and expecting to bully a nation to accept your Loser is a non-starter
    Let us be civilised and mature about things

  33. Ati ‘people driven constitution’, my foot! Unless of course by ‘people’ you mean Bemba. How are the other ethnic groups supposed to take ownership of this illegal process if they are under represented? The reason why it is going to take so long is because Satan believes that by that time his petitions against the election of certain MPs will be completed which he hopes will give PF a majority in parliament so that this Bemba constitution goes through. I dont see anything wrong with asking that an important document such as the constitution is drafted by people who are  broadly representative of the population of Zambia. It is also extremely lamentable that the number of women (who are actually the majority in the Zambian population) is extremely low on this tribalist committee.

  34. Non – tribalists do not get jittery at the mere mention of tribe. At the very basic, everyone holde their tribe in high esteem. I believe facing the scourge head on; talking about it and condeming it wherever and whenever it shows its ugly head is part of the solution. A constitution is a law by which people have agree to be ruled by. Now if the constitution makong process is not representative of all the corners of Zambia and the various interest groups represented by these corners, how could we truly say the committee’s effort is agrred to by all the people and regions of the country. It is a mark of a good general to know when to retreat to assess his chances on the battlefield without making nevitable human losses on both sides.

  35. #30 CHIMUNE

    Your tribalism or is it hatred for the Bemba will kill you muna! Why do you spit your hated passion for them Bemba in every blog u post?
    What are u going to do in the event that another Bemba or northern, CB, muchinga,Luapula,Kabwe, muchinga etc is voted in as president again? Do us all a favour Take your family of tribalists and alike minded people go and jump into Victoria falls.
    Because you need to accept HE MCS is in plot 1 for five years as our elected President
    You also need to accept that we a democracy and everybody votes for a president of their choice
    If your preferred candidate does not get enough votes, accept it Bembas too have a right to take part in electione
    If the majority of electorate choose a Bemba President yet again Tough on you
    Majority RULES

  36. #38 Nobody hates Bembas here. I am half Bemba myself but that does not mean I should endorse a process that is not representative of the Zambian population. As a matter of fact, excluding non-Bembas from this process will actually increase resentment by the marginalised ethnic groups towards Bembas. If you do not realise this fact then am sorry for you. How you can justify the domination of one ethnic group in this process is beyond me. Accusing those who question Bemba dominance in this process and in the Sata administration as a whole is just cheap politics which wont take us anywhere. I stand by my assertion that a people driven constitution can not be so if it the illegal technical committee is dominated by Bembas and men.

  37. #38 Irony is calling yourself ‘to hell with your tribalism’ whilst endorsing Sata’s! Talk about the pot calling the kettle!

  38. PF Cadre #26, where do you feel my argument has no basis? Am saying the Technical Committee on the Constitutions is illegal because no law provides for such. Secondly, the enactment process is not defined, whether by Referendum, Constituent Assembly, Parliament/National Assembly, etc. Thridly, the Draft Constitution will be presented to the President, then what will happen afterwards, and this is the very thing that was criticised under RB. PF Cadre, tell me which one of these is baseless criticism.

  39. shaka oz it seems you really have issues with the catholic church cos you also attacked them on tumfweko. just know that your ignorance is very irritating cos its driven by hatred. is it that you are a village boy learning the town art of survival? i fail to understand why you should openly be so crude on a church that you do not congregate in. why dont you just forget about them the way these others have. not involving other churches in their contributions. just try if you can.

  40. the zodiac. good points. but have you forgotten why that constitution never went through parliament? it was tailored by kunda. honestly should we start debating this. kunda should be made accountable for that. equallly, if pf govt fails us on this one, they will be held accountable period.

  41. The failed constitution, was the one Kunda and Banda put in a lot of money for the *****s and never passed, Of course to review the scond one will need money. The covernment is just trying to put back what Banda removed to suit himself. Shame of Banda and Kunda, wabaimilomo uku kashika, ma rvs unwa?

  42. Where is the 90 days ultimatum. I thought this is the same party that was singing people driven constitution within 90 days. Maybe its my maths that is wrong. But I think June 2012 is well over 300 days. I wonder how many people lost their votes over the 90 days song!!! LOL. 

  43. # Chimunya
    In the UK we currently have a blood elitist dominated govt , Cameron has all his cronies running everything important in a coalition govt (pact) the the Tories still hold all the vital posts in govt why? Because winner takes all
    Had RB been re-elected we would have an all eastern dominated everything 
    Mwanawasa we had Lenje dominated everything mixed with Maureen domination
    Chiluba we had mafia style dominated crime and all
    Had HH been elected we would be having a tonga dominated everything 

    MCS is the rightfully elected president, winner takes it all 

  44. No law in Zambia empowers the president to appoint a Technical Committee to enact a constitution period. MCS continues to break the laws of Zambia while everyone is watching thats how dull Zambians are. When he said he will develop Zambia in 90 days even graduate Zambians lines up to vote for him, again thats the quality of people who are left in this country.

    If Zambians had brains, an this process would have been stopped by going to court. 

  45. #45 Rudemonk
    Are you for real ??do you really expect a constitution to stand the test of time can be attained in 90 days, then you are really deluded or maybe just having a laugh hey ?

  46. Its another waste of money because the constitutionality of the process will be challenged and whatever draft constitution produced will be thrown out.

  47. Its amazing that the president’s 90 days campaign message has been misunderstood by many,some of them learned,as evidenced on this blog.I must state that Sata did NOT promise to turn Zambia into heaven within 90 days,but to start the restoration or improvement process of the lives of Zambians.So far,we have seen processes to addressing many issues started and at the end of this 90 days we will have laid foundation for a good future ie the next 5years of Sata’s rule.So the 90 days was meant to lay foundation not to turn Zambia into heaven.Adios 

  48. No 52

    He even managed to f.o.o.l you now you are trying to justify…… what foundation can ypou lay in 90days…. tell us what has been done in 90 days? Breaking the constitution is not laying a foundation tell us some other crap

  49. Only a very dull and stupiidy person can vote on the basis that economic and constitution would be achieved in 90 days….a stupiidy and dull person indeed? Where on earth have you seen a 90 days economic development?

  50. Zambians voted for a man of action coz they knew that Sata would deliver by the end of 5 years…not by the end of 90 days. Zambians are not dull people as not to understand that no development has been achieved in 90 days. So keep on dreaming your 90 day development coz you dull people who can think. Hahahaaa.

  51. I AM VERY SURE SATA DID NOT LIE ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION. THE PROBLEM HE HAS IS THAT IF THE CONSTITUTION IS COMPLETED AND TAKES IT TO PARLIAMENT IN 90 DAYS, HE WILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE OPOSITION WHO JUST WANT TO SHOOT DOWN ANYTHING THAT IS BROUGHT BY PF GOVERNMENT DUE TO THEIR PAST DEALINGS THAT DID NOT GO WELL. THEREFORE, IF I WERE SATA I WOULD DELAY THE PROCESS UNTILL THE PETITIONS ARE COMPLETED AND HAVE SOME MORE MPS FROM THE PETITONED CONSTITUENCIES TO SUPPORT THE BILL. THIS IS WHAT WE CALL POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY. I AM VERY SURE THIS IS WHAT THE OLD MAN IS DOING.

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