FIRST Republican president Kenneth Kaunda has indicated willingness to help find an amicable solution to the continued impasse on the Barotseland Agreement of 1964.
Dr Kaunda’s spokesperson, Solomon Musonda said in an interview in Lusaka yesterday that the first president was the father of the nation and also a citizen of Zambia and, as such, he was concerned with the developments surrounding the Barotse Agreement, of which he was a co-signatory.
Dr Kaunda, renowned for the slogan “One Zambia, One Nation”, a symbol of unity, appended his signature with Litunga Mwanawina Lewanika to the Barotse Agreement prior to the country’s independence from British colonial rule.
“Dr Kaunda is the father of the nation and he is a concerned citizen and so he is ready to discuss with stakeholders how best this issue can be resolved.
For now he is not available for further details but he is concerned and would be ready at an appropriate time. This time is not appropriate but when the time is right he will be available to help,” Mr Musonda said.
The Barotse National Council (BNC) last week unanimously resolved to secede from the rest of Zambia, a decision that has raised concerns in the country.
Vice-President Guy Scott responded to the decision during a Parliamentary sitting before the House adjourned, describing it as irresponsible and unacceptable. Home Affairs Minister Kennedy Sakeni said the demands bordered on treason.
Various stakeholders have called on Dr Kaunda to render his counsel on how best the Barotse Agreement could be addressed without threatening peace in the country.
In an interview, the House of Chiefs implored Dr Kaunda to help facilitate dialogue on the issue.
House of Chiefs chairperson, Chief Madzimawe said the continued silence from Dr Kaunda, who headed then Northern Rhodesia and agreed with the Barotseland to form a unitary State, now Zambia, could play an important role in the matter.
Chief Madzimawe said dialogue was the only means to address the BNC’s concerns.
“Our first president Dr Kaunda is one of the surviving people that can help us resolve this stand-off, he was there. We know he is out of politics and enjoying his retirement but we still consider him as the father of this nation.
“So it is important that we solicit his guidance in this matter because he knows the issue well and he and others from his Cabinet can help resolve the impasse surrounding the restoration of the Barotseland Agreement. We need to humbly approach him and ask him.
“Former leaders are there to provide wisdom and guidance and it is the right time for him to help in this call for dialogue,” Chief Madzimawe said.
The traditional ruler said it was only through dialogue that the matter could be addressed amicably.He said there was still room for dialogue and that all Zambians were one people.
“The best way forward is dialogue, not all is lost and we call for all stakeholders to handle this matter with utmost care. All people are equal, and we should not even demonise Lozis on this matter. That is why I am emphasising the need to handle it through dialogue,” he said.
He said the debate on whether the agreement should be implemented should not be allowed to cause divisions among the people.
Zambia Former Freedom Fighters Association (ZAFFFA) of Ndola said Dr Kaunda was a significant person who could be consulted and availhimself to remedy the problem.
ZAFFFA executive coordinator, Kafula Mulenga said the Barotse issue was capable of bringing confusion but this could also be avoided with Dr Kaunda’s intervention.
“My appeal goes to Dr Kaunda to help the nation address this issue once and for all so that the country concentrates on moving forward instead of going around this issue. It is time we settled this problem in an amicable way and this requires dialogue among stakeholders, including our founding father, KK,” he said.
He warned that instability could arise over the matter and cautionen young people not to be misled but understand the issue from anobjective standpoint.
And Women for Change (WfC) has backed the three Church mother bodies’ that cautioned the Government on how to deal with the currentpolitical situation in Western Province.
WfC executive director Emily Sikazwe called for an urgent solution to differences brought about by the Barotse Agreement debate but that this should be done in a manner that would respect the Constitution and the rights of the people of Western Province and the country as a whole.
“We at Women for Change are deeply concerned and saddened with the situation in Western Province and would also like to advise the Government and the Barotse Royal Establishment (BRE) to seek dialogue in order to uphold the peace and security we enjoy as a country.
“The ongoing discussions on the issue of the Barotse Agreement couldcontribute to insecurity in the country if the issue is not resolvedthoroughly. This calls for Government and the BRE to work together to ensure development in the province. The Barotse Agreement of 1964 is not about seceding from the rest of Zambia but about addressing the social and economic rights of the people.
‘The agreement is about promoting development and freedom to harness the economic opportunities that areavailable in our country and which requires the removal of major sources of freedom such as poverty, unemployment, gender-based violence and many other vices,” Ms Sikazwe said.
?The three Church mother bodies said in a statement in Lusaka on Friday that the Government should create conditions that would facilitatemeaningful reconciliation among the people of Western Province through dialogue.
The Church mother bodies are the Zambia Episcopal Conference, Evangelical Fellowship of Zambia and the Council of Churches in Zambia.
[Times of Zambia]
We dont trust him. He was the first one to abrogate the agreement and he coined the “One Zambia One Nation” slogan and changed the name of Barotse to Western Province. He also deceived us by getting away some of our land by creating Central and Lusaka provinces. We cant trust him. We shall appeal to the UN.
well go on and appeal.Zambia will always remain unitary
Good for you tribalists !
i do notunderstand you lozi people what crime did kaunda do?you go ahead and form your country we will see if you are going to manage feeding on fish alone.what else do you have in Balotse.
Well, if you are this unreasonable, you can get lost!
you are not normal, you need medical check up.
YOU ARE MAD,
Zesco power adages in Mongu have already rattled Barotse feathers. If you go for secession you would have to create a new Barotse Utility Company that would have to import electricity from Zambia for instance. Just that one scenario tells you your new nation is headed back to the stone age, it is time to rethink your strategy but again, how many times did Texas knuckleheads attempt to leave the rest of the United States even with an economy as strong as theirs. You guys have a pipe dream, I really feel sorry for you.
How can Kaunda help to solve this problem when it is his insatiable apetite for power that caused this problem? Its like asking a murderer 2 head a truth & reconciliation commission!
Please BA MUDALA Ba KK tell the nation what was agreed. Did you agree that at a later date the unitary state should dissolve or what? Because a few people think that way but majority are for unitary ONE ZAMBIA ONE NATION. Please advise the nation or there will be big problems, come quickly and give YOUR WISE ADVICE.
u lozis,dont be so foolish bana nwebo,mbuyanga mbomucita ba hopani.tee mwamvwa
Treason has already been committed. Arrest those culprits as a lesson to other tribes not to take any democratically elected Govt for granted.
When is “The Appropriate Time” if not now?
Finally. What took him so long????
I thought they are a weaker side???
i dont trust this KK thing. why has he kept quiet on such an important issue threatening the peace we have enjoyed so far? could it be that the old man messed up this agreemnt at some point and do not want to be involved. come on big man, tell us what you know and what you did so that we dont massacre innocent lozis this time around cos with whats going on, the rb and kunda led killings will look like childs play should this impase be left unresolved. mark my word.
yah this is the man i also wanted him to come out and comment on this stupid document he signed on our behalf called BA64, Now am hiding because am threatened to be charge with treason, please kaunda talk to the nation what you did to our barotseland, because us Lozi people we are stupid and we want our land after 47 years of independence,otherwise i will keep hiding till you tell the nation the truth.
” THE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS WE FACE CAN NOT BE SOLVED AT THE SAME LEVEL WE WERE AT WHEN WE CREATED THEM” Albert Einstein.
@11, I love your Albert Einsten quote. It’s true, we need to move to a higher level in order to deal with those problems we created. We are no longer in 1964 and the Zambia of that time is very different from the Zambia of today.
discovery oil and foreign influence are behind all this. We are Zambians have been doing business with China, something that the west especially USA and UK are not happy about, they want to punish us. So, they know they will give a big loan to BL to pay its bills and sign a contract to recover it from the oil proceedings, last time i heard about oil was december 2010 that from Minister of mines, Mr Mwale that ”Britain’s GP Petroleum and Petrodel Resources, Glint Energy of the United States and Exile Resources of Canada were chosen along with Zambian firms Majetu, Barotse Petroleum Company and Chat Milling to explore for oil and gas…. in Zambia’s northwestern, western and eastern provinces”
So, there are big powers involved, let us trade carefully, slowly and eyes open wide.
St. Louis, you keep blabbing about ‘the discovery of oil’, who ever told you that oil has been discovered in Western Province? Take it from me here and now, NO OIL HAS BEEN DISCOVERED IN WESTERN PROVINCE.
There’s some truth in what you are saying.
@12 St.Luois, thats BS dont bring in US and UK in BA64. Anyway Breaking news former vice president in MMD governement George Kunda is dead . Mr Kunda died this morning at UTH where he was admitted 3 days ago.
The British Queen has nothing to do with the Barotseland agreement 1964. This looks like an agreement to protect the Litunga after independence as a friend of the Mining companies where he fraudulently collected rayalties since the mining towns according to the barotse map are outside its borders.
KK is the one who abragated the BA64,He also has blood in his hands.yjere are no negotiations on the barotse issue.the lozi gave their resolution in 2011.if the BA 64 is not part of your constitution then we are not part of you.how do we become one when you starved and redused our people to paupers while you up graded your areas.you are dishonest people who dont walk the talk.you call us brothers while in your actions you want to potray us as fool.you guys,did your country ever think of giving us any bridege?you built tuta bridge for your people.dont think we shall be lured by your lies,we are not turning back.all you do is to insult our people.
@Batuke Imenda, Ngambela BRE
Is it true about George Kunda, please what a loss!! Hope not. Coming to the issue, if you dont believe me, thats your problem, the policy on oil/value minerals by international powers is ‘Divide and extract’.
You will get surprised that even after WP is a state, the divide and extract continues by causing tribal wars among the Barotse tribes. This is what some people advocating for BL break-away cant see. Any way, how were they supposed to see when it is part of the prophecy: In the last days, there shall be rumours of war, nations aganst nations, brother anganst brother etc… Each one of us should pray that at least we enter heaven, there are somethings we cant change…
KK cannot be trusted that is why he was arrested. Everything centers on him. Remember his humanism. Let the people affected by the problem solve it. After all you have been insulting them belittling them, let the go what are you going to lose
What a joke! I don’t see what value KK will add when he was the one who dribbled the Litunga re BA64 in collusion with some senior Lozi’s in UNIP (Wina’s, Masheke etc). Before we insult our Lozi brothers, let’s realise there would’nt be a Zambia as we know it had the Litunga not signed BA64. This agreement allowed for the semi-autonomy of the Barotseland territory within the new unitary state of Zambia. Sadly KK and some selfish Lozi’s in UNIP, pulled a fast one on the Litunga and his subjects hence the chaos we are facing now.
Can’t wait to hear from KK
competition, greed, selfishness, we are all in it. Creativity can help in dampening ugly competition. Competition can bring atrocities but it is also a source of civilisation and further development. The clever, mighty, intelligent, powerful ones prevail in both competition and creativity. The weak ones get extinct. I am looking to a day when we shall have a Lozi, a Tonga, a Luvale, Lala, Tumbuka or any other tribe Republican President. If they treat them the way they have treated Sata for being Five (5) months in office, what would they do themselves? When in opposition it is easy to scream your lungs out but when it is your turn you can meet forces of this world, some interested in even buying off your large chunks of land let alone those who would like to secede. Its a conundrum.
Beloved KK must first apologise to the Zambian youth for the mess created by his actions. Utter naiveté to believe KK has panacea for the problems he and his bevy of selfish yester – year politicians left the country. Church mother bodies must take the initiative for an equivalent of Truth and Reconciliation Commission to which KK and other should appear as witnesses. Truth is, no one trust KK on this one. To the Barotse, he failed to defend the constitution of Zambia, which he solemnly swore to, by abrogating the BA 64. To the Zambians and Govt, he was to restore the BA 64 should he have passed the post first in 199.
george kunda is not dead. he is alive and kicking. rare specie he really is. they dont come in his form anymore. do they?
Postponing this issue won’t help; it’ll keep coming back and getting worse. FTJ even killed that gallant lawyer Ngenda over this issue; LPM ignored it; RB tried and failed and now Ukwa is in a fix after promising he’d recognize BA64! Ukwa, this is now your baby to handle, no more comedy pls.
Actually I don’t even want to hear KK commenting just shut up.
Kalu has won elections just support him whether Lozi or not for betterment of football in zambia. Pipo like Nyambe Mulenga want to be AFCON heros, we dont want him to tell his children or gran children after sometime that I was an AFCON champion when I was Zambian.
How come Kunda is not taken to India or SA?
(Stipude-*****) – We have memories too. We find our selves in this state of affairs because of Kaunda. Tanzania does not have a problem with its union with with Zanzaibar though Zanzibar has a population of less than two hundred thousand people while th main land Tanganyika has a population of about 43 million. Tanganyika treats Zanzibar as an equal partner. Kaunda wanted to be in power for life like Kamuzu Banda of Malawi, so he created situation that would undermine his power in the country. He refused to allow democratic elections for over twenty years til 1990 when there was mass movement to force Kaunda to accept muilt party elections. He confused the Balozi map as it were by removing land from Barotsland, and allocating it to North Western Province, Central and Southern provinces
KK must stay away and stear clear from the Barotseland Agreement. This is a matter to which he was the main player. Govts led by KK himself, Chiluba (plus Sata), Mwanawasa and RB understood the complications of the Barotseland Agreement – the reason it was shelved in the freezer compartment. Part of the complications stems from King Lewanika claiming half of Zambia as Barotseland Protectorate. Within Western Province there are three major ethnic groups (Lozis, Mbundas & Nkoyas). This makes matters tricky as we need to know as to which of these three ethnic groups will feature as dominant players; and which of the three will feature as mere underdogs. The Lozis are flagging the Litunga as King at the exclusion of the Mbundas and Nkoya Chiefs. We need Go’d intervention, not KK.
:-h:**==
He should be! After all he is the causer of all this drama!
Masipa!
There are two sides to every conventional coin.
But Lewanika claimed to have land that did not belong to him. He also claimed to have subjects that where not his. The Mbundas and Nkoyas among other tribes deny adamantly to ever have been under Litunga. In short, Lozi obtained British protectorate under false claims and that makes the damn document null and void. Plz GRZ, dont waste your time on this useless issue. Arrest all those making treasonable statement, charge them with treason and quickly execute them before they bring trouble to our beautiful country..
Well done KK, tell these red-bereted morons why they cant be trusted with vast land
We cant trust them with OUR Land !
the litunga is stil quite,let him come out.these chaps litunga& kk,the church & the govt should talk thru & find a way foward.zed has too many problems to be embroiled in this barotse s.h.i.t.take heed!
The government should maintain the initiative on this Barotse issue. It should not show weakness by bowing to pressure from Sinyinda or anybody else.The Chongwe Commission should be a basis for further action not withstanding that some guys need to be held to account for treasonable utterances.
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‘I always start with a song,’ he gulped, ‘today it will be modern with some spoken word so a new generation of…’ he paused and his voice grew stronger, ‘…so a new generation of stupid *****s who have still not gone back to the land to learn some humanism will stop this East Coast Wesr Coast Biggie versus Tupac nonsense and recognize that Biggie had skills and my man 2PAC had swag…you with me, my nizzles! Okay today’s song is Pull Your Pants Up written by me and produced by my boys P Diddles and Dr Pray. Auto tune on please Mister engineer!,
Masipa!!!!!!!!
…and when is the next african cup,I liked that period when we were all happy….
Masipa!
No no stupid kaunda, just rest if u dont want to be insulted. How can the criminal who caused all the problems be the one to mediate again. This foolish kaunda should not even try to come to barotseland. Stupid dictator we already his stance on this issue he will just worsen the situation. We need open mindedness not someone who will force on Zambia one Nation.
No no stupid kaunda, just rest if u dont want to be insulted. How can the criminal who caused all the problems be the one to mediate again. This foolish kaunda should not even try to come to barotseland. Stupid dictator we already his stance on this issue he will just worsen the situation.
KK ‘s hands aren’t clean..he was the 1st to abrogate..we need the Queen of England..
Yes, Yes, Yes. Let the big man intervene and advised as the father of the nation. KK’s work as president has so far not been surpassed by any government. The same can be relayed about his wisdom. There is a reason the lord has helped this great man live long, this is one of them so please lets listen to him.
The way forward is to call for a referendum to annul this BA64 so that the issue does not ever again rear its ugly head in Zambian politics. I am sure the people of WP would gladly vote for its annulment and open up WP for equitable distributioin of Zambia’s resources and development of the area unlike the way it is now when certain investors such as Indians are not allowed and chibuku cannot be sold there in preference for sipeso. How backward!
@Kavumba Mutunga ,soory enough for you, noone in barotseland accepts to be called western province,because they are barotsenationals.there can be nothing like a referendum run by the government of zambia becuse barotseland is no longer zambia.western province lives in KKs world.all those people that supported the killing are dying one by one.watch the space,they will continue to die because they justified deaths of the innocent.tthey are now testing the weight of the grave.the people you killed will fight you there and all your supporters will nolonger be on your side.our former prime minister Hon mututwa will greet mr. kunda and ask,can you justify how i left the world.ah ah ah,one slap on mr kunda!.mr kunda crying.dont cling on us we have refused to be with you.
Sir Knox Cunningham (South Antrim)
“Did not President Kaunda undertake, on Zambia’s becoming independent, to reconfirm the independence of Barotseland? Instead, has he not made it a local Government province of Zambia? And are these the people who talk about moral principles in Rhodesia?”
John Biggs-Davison (Chigwell)
asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Affairs what communication he has received from the President of Zambia about the modification of the Barotseland Agreement 1964.
Sir Knox Cunningham (South Antrim)
asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Affairs what official representation the President of Zambia has made to him concerning the amendment of the Barotseland Agreement of 1964.
Mrs Judith Hart (Lanark)
None, Sir.
Mr John Biggs-Davison (Chigwell)
infact,KK to us is a no body, other than a an old crook who cant be trusted.kk is not the father of the nation of barotseland,King lewanika is the father of the nation of barotselnd.Can this so called father of the zambian nation go and address the Kuta,why he behave in such a wicked way.he behaved like a thief.We also want to ask him on the mysterious deaths of nalumino mundia and gibson chigaga.
@bashi kay .my friend we are free from your zambia shit.There are no more discussions to hold with GRZ.Submittions have always been given to GRZ and they showed the bigboy type of behavour for nothing.The only key to hold you zambia is your zambia recognising the ba64 which created zambia.otherthan that there is nothing.barotseland today stands as state on its own.zambia,get out!.
But i fail to understand how some people reason. This man is one of the only surviving signatory to the agreement and this fact makes him an indispensable witness in any arbitration or mediation to this impasse. It is therefore mind boggling that after at long last the man willingly accepts to offer his side of the story, others are vehemently objecting. Dont you think this man needs to tell us why he appended his signature to a document he didnt believe in and would soon discard it? If there are many questions that have eluded most of you people this is the man to do some explanation, not even UKWA:
WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH!!!!!!!!!!
… I’m searching for the BRE now, to be sure if it is legal for them to secede. Secession is not the answer and I feel that honest dialogue can solve this problem.
If I were from Western Province, I would have waited until it was developed before talking about seceding.
i THINK ITS TIME THIS BAROTSE NONSENSE WAS RELEGATED WERE IT BELONGS,TO THE DUSTBIN OF MISGUIDED HISTORY.WE HAVE TALKED ENOUGH,EVEN THE NGAMBELA HAS GONE INTO HIDING SHOWS THAT HE WAS NOT SERIOUS,WE NEED ZAMBIA IN ITS SHAPE AND SIZE. SECESSION HAS NEVER SOLVED PROBLEMS FOR ANY TERRITORY,.THE SITUATION IN SUDAN MIGHT BE DIFFERENT,EVEN THEN,I CAN BET 50 YEARS FROM NOW SOUTHERN SUDAN WILL JUST BE AS POOR AS IT IS TODAY EXCEPT FOR A FEW INDIVIDUALS IN POWER.
Rubbish, KK cannot add value to these issues. He should stay very far away. The BA 64 is a fraud that is not worth the paper it’s written on.
It is not in the nation’s interest to involve the retired president or UN as some quarters suggest that the entire world body pre occupied with more important world issues can be dragged to a mere tribal issue. Zambia has been in existence for over 4 decades and successive governments have ruled Zambia as a unitary state. What has caused this hu-haa news? and who prompted it?. The current head of state made statements that has resulted in this instigation and uprising in western province. We all are aware what was said and he has answers for the people of western province. Let the father of the nation KK enjoy his retirement in peace not waste UN time.
Why are Zambians tolerating criminals? If someone breaks the law, he should be availed an opportunity to defend himself, and if he is found wanting, then he must satisfy justice by serving the sentence thereof. It is clear that people calling for secession have already committed treason. The wheels of justice must turn very quickly to avert anarchy in the country. For your own information, all Kingdoms were independent before the arrival of the colonial masters. It is therefore foolish to claim that one tribe was more independent than others. For your own information, prior to the arrival of the colonial masters, Mwata Kazembe`s Kingdom was by far larger than Lewanika`s kingdom. If this Barotseland Agreement nonsense is allowed what will stop bigger tribes from seceding?
@25 check your facts right no ethinic grouping is called Lozi. Lozi is just like what Nyanja is to EP. The Luvales who were their neighbors before they were annexed by the Kololo know them as Ba Luyi even up to this present day.So Lozi is meant to encampase groups like the Nyengo,Mbunda,Nkoya,Kwangwa,Totela, etc:In short there is no Lozi proper neither do Lozi exist without those groupings of tribes.
Which one is better ? United States of Zambia (USZ) or FRZ Federal Republic of Zambia. A federal system is the best solution
It feels good to be a blogger because we have the right to comment on issues based on our emotions .We always do not dig deeper to find the route cause of the matter.BA64?Not a simple slogan can solve this.Technocrats and other wise minds can handle this.
Hmmm, now this shouldn’t come as a surprise. KK is expected to know what the deal is with this barotse issue right? Wrong. Let’s be realistic country men and woman. We know KK has dementia or atleast it appears he has trouble remembering certain things. This is attributed to his poor health wchich is obviously caused by old age. So, in retrospect, and with all due respect to KK, just what is he going to do/say to assist with this issue? Am just saying!
#47 Veteran,
Yes, you are right, a federal system would be best.
It’s sad that those who could have done something meaningful and helpful, some of them being responsible for the mess, chose to be SILENT for over 4 decades while the State was handling the BA64 issue in whichever way it saw right.
Ladies and gentlemen, we will never forget your silence, just as we will never accept your noise now.
Ku felile!
It’s sad that those who could have done something meaningful and helpful, some of them being responsible for the mess, chose to be SILENT for over 4 decades while the State was handling the BA64 issue in whichever way it saw right.
Ladies and gentlemen, we will never forget your silence, just as we will never accept your noise now.
It’s sad that those who could have done something meaningful and helpful, some of them being responsible for the mess, chose to be SILENT for over 4 decades while the State was handling the BA64 issue in whichever way it saw right. Ladies and gentlemen, we will never forget your silence, just as we will never accept your noise now.
The first lady, who also visited Chief Chikanta, who is admitted at the same hospital, said people who were speculating the health of others had nothing to do and hoped the Government could give them something.
It would have been nice if in all this time passed, we had a Lozi for a president in Zambia and then we would have been privileged to know how he was going to look at the whole Zambia and his outlook to the BA64. This whole thing stinks of inferiority complex. MCS has been candid on this issue and promised lively dialogues as a way of dealing with this issue but impatience got the better of them all and they opted for the BA Indaba on clearly premeditated issues just to try and provoke MCS and they even had their Maoma ready to beat and declare war with the peace loving Zambians and at a time when MCS was away in India. What imperfect timing and shame on you? All civilized Lozis don’t share in all this nonsense, what with all the Inter Tribal Marriages that have taken place.
@the silent drums,barotse isnt a state,ie wishful thinkn my friend.jst dialogue coz u are actually the weaker side in all this.lets us nt be emotional,the poverty in zed is the same frm kaoma to serenje,so lets not be ignorant.take heed
Don’t even waste your time this won’t go far Zambians love peace any one who advocates evil schemes won’t succeed that I can guarantee.There is law in place governing this land and there is no restoration how dull are you the referendum held to that effect did not support restoration so stop waiting your energies. KK is a very wise person whom the Lord used to unite Zambians.Why are trying to bring division just form and political so that we see who us popular the issue is dead move on
Kaunda is not being wise by accepting to participate in this Barotse nonsense. To start with where is the exact boundary of Barotseland? Litunga yesterday, today and forever shall remain a thief who deceitfully included other peoples land to be his. How can Lambaland be his? In this argument even NW province is his how? Ukwa take responsibility for your lust for power in this country. The chairperson of PF mama Inonge would be more useful in the discussion with BRE and govt than culprit Kaunda BUT ethical dilema!!? Pandora box Ukwa close it.
Where was KK 30 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago, 5 years ago or 3 years ago…whose going to listen to you now ba Mudala, with all due respect KK just enjoy your retirement sir…YOU are no angel in this matter.
Litunga is a fool why is he still quiet over this issue?
KK should not be allowed to participate in this issue, he will just bring division, he is very old to remember everything. period!
Attitudes are what matter when faced by any difficult situations. It is sad when no one wants to give, but only take.
In ’93 Sata himself headed a COI which concluded that the BA64 could not be implemented. But hunger for power made him bring it up again and caused the death of inocent eelasyear. This is all his doing just coz he wanted to be called president and tear the MMD to shreds. To him everything on the road to power was collateral damage. Now unfortunately for him the damage is too big to sweep under the carpet and now he is dragging other people into it so that as usual he can point a finger or pass the buck onto someone else. KK has been very silent on this issue for over 40 years with good reason. Now Ukwa comes to cause alarm, hatred, suspicion, tribalism and a possible Sudan situation!
time will tell
I am not lozi, and one thing i know about the lozis is that they hate thieves and dishonest people. Sata must know that he has lost even the bit of trust he had from the lozis. Lozis are a strong value centred ethnic group. I have a lot of respect for them.
Good decision.
Keep KK away from politics. He is too old and frail. Even sending him on diplomatic missions just shows how confused the PF is. Other countries do not take us seriously anymore. Learn from what SA has done with Mandela.
When the whole civilised world is moving away from absolute monarchies and kingdoms we can have people wanting to retreat into the abyss of uncivilised,ancient and undemocratic type of leadership.Even in England,the British royal establishment is just being preserved as a tourist attraction and maybe just a symbol of British cultural.Look at Swaziland,is that the way you want to be governed like dependants?Grow up Balozi You are free citizens of Zambia with equal opportunities to stand for the highest office in the land as long as you have the courage,the balls and the hard skin to withstand the heat.
#46 and 47 silent drums seems to be a bitter person.If you are soooooo serious about barotse why not pack your katundu and head there?And with that ka funny looking flag of your are you being recruited to carry out the rucksack nonsense on innocent people since you guys enjoy terror?
Spot on #76 Adviser. Its definately time for KK to rest. Look at the photo above. He has to be helped to maintain balance when walking.
The boundaries of BL start and end at the palace of the Litunga in Limulunga that is all. Everything else that the BRE have tried to make claim to are just lies.
Everywhere else the Litunga is surrounded by natives in Western Province so how in the world does he think he can then form a nation in essence undermining a democratically elected governm
Litunga in Shinkoya means land, another stolen word from the Nkoya language.
Maoma drums are Nkoya drums together with the music that is produced from them, the BRE stole them too!
It was the Nkoyas who gave Mwanawina’s father refuge for 25 years when the BRE were colonised by there own relatives, the Kololo. That is why Mwanawina is considered half Nkoya because it was during this time that Mwanawina’s father took a Nkoya wife.
It was the Nkoyas who helped the BRE to restore the Litungaship when the Nkoya Kings provided troops to defeat the Kololo weak army.
The history of Western Zambia does not start with the BA64.
The era of concessions, treaties and agreements is just a small chapter in the long history of Western Zambia.
When you look at the full history, the BRE are very recent immigration in that region.
Therefore there is no basis for them to want to claim to have some exclusive rights in a region which was already occupied when the arrived from present day South Africa with their Sisotho language which has since been re-branded to Lozi in today’s era to distance themselves from their Kololo past.
Interesting. So if we go back to times before the helpful, supportive donaters of drum, language, Queen and military aid then we could potentially find a slave ship somewhere that carried the Nkoya whose dna lies in Oprah Winfrey or perhaps the Nkoya that intermarried with someone from Guinea or Liberia… I digress. What evil threat took a Nkoya from a non coastal area to the other side of the world? Maybe people teamed up to survive and formed new kinships and migrated away from coasts. Divide and conquer blurs lines I suppose. The Nkoyas of old sound like a decent bunch of supportive people to help out that Litunga fella even if they waited for a new generation of warriors on both sides:) I wonder what was at stake to breed this strong alliance. Hope you find that lost love.
Its been long, guess he will just tell them STUPID *****
Power Hungry LOZIs it will never happen come rain, come sunshine, GOD will never give this lovely COUNTRY to greedy people like you NEVER!
LOZIs try to provoke Zimbabwe or Namibia, they will kick your asses and you will even abandon western province so that we allocate it to north westerners, moreover you a illegal there you dont even have proper origin
What has gone in our minds? Honestly in our generation would we want this to happen?? Where has the One Zambia One nation gone? We Zambians in Africa are the most admired citizens that do not take tribal issues at heart. Let us not forget our intermarriages in Zambia?? Why this confusion?? LOZIS, you are our Brothers, sisters and everything to other Zambians. WHAT VALUE ADD WILL THIS BRING?? Or is about a few selfish Individuals who are power Hungry?? The devil you know is better that the Angel you DON’T. LET ZAMBIA BE ZAMBIA WE WERE ALL BORN IN. ONE ZAMBIA, ONE NATION WITH ALL INTER MARRIAGES. PEACE BE WITH ALL ZAMBIANS.
WAS IT ANOTHER “DONCH KUBEBA ” UNDER KK AS WELL? Drama continues.
MInd you LITUNGA agreed wth kk and lozi representatives before barotseland agreement was singed that barotse shall be part of the republic of zambia.
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