Opposition Alliance for Democracy and Development (ADD) leader Charles Milupi has accused First Republican President Dr. Kenneth Kaunda of obliterating the Barotseland history the reason why it is not in the Zambian school Syllabus.
Mr. Milupi said that the issue of the Barotseland Agreement of 1964 can never be stopped and will never go away.
He said this is because the Agreement forms part of the foundation of Zambia’s independence.
Mr. Milupi has maintained that the Patriotic Front (PF) government should not bury its head in the sand over the issue.
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Milupi, that Barotseland is damn boring, we have PF issues right now. We need fix PF first, then maybe we will come back to you with your Ligandambo fimo-fimo.
What Sata said at a rally in Mongu in 2011. By George Chellah
“The Barotse Agreement is still a valid agreement. How can you ignore an agreement that was signed, sealed and delivered almost 47 years ago? There is no honest person who can deny the existence and validity of the Barotse Agreement. And those with honour and integrity honour valid agreements they have entered into whether they still like them or not. The PF government will honour the Barotse Agreement without hesitation because we have no problems with it. We see nothing wrong with it. We have always said we have nothing to fear about the Barotse Agreement. It is a decent agreement that must be honoured. Only crooks, dictators who want everything to be controlled by them from Lusaka can fear the Barotse Agreement.
How can an agreement that brought our country together as a unitary sovereign state, be seen to be a divisive instrument; to be about secession and treason? The Barotse Agreement united and brought together what was not united; what was divided. It is an agreement that brought unity in diversity to our people and as such must be honoured and respected. How can an agreement that exists be treasonable? That agreement is real, so what’s treasonous about that? In fact, the peace and unity that Zambia has enjoyed since independence as a sovereign state can be partly attributed to the Barotse Agreement. PF would like to see to it that Zambia remains an oasis of peace by engaging the people of Barotseland over the Barotse Agreement and ensure that their grievances are resolved once and for all”
@Action man…..that caption is also on youtube……this and a few more u-turns…like Bob sichinga propounding on muvi tv about windfall tax…..others on clearing of pensioners…..low pump fuel price……..down size cabinet………media bill….public order act……etc….is what makes some people not to take PF serious………..they feel duped…of their vote….
action man…play that clip on u tube and understand better what he said…he meant federal system…his actual words were no one man or woman can run a country from north to south and east to western…he said there wud be provincial assemblies to man each province while central gvt wud oversee…what u need to understand is that the issue of barotseland is a constitutional issue…so is federal system…if sata will 2day say ok its now federal u same chaps will say he is dictator…federal system is in pipeline unless u don’t understand or never read draft constitution…lets talk real issues than cocking up stories….
@Action Man,
That’s a logical and sensible way to deliberate issues, factual and to the point unlike just saying ‘fimo-fimo’ whatever that means.
What is PF, not long it will go faster than it came into power. Barotse has been there and so it shall continue. Bakabolala, ninshi mwatemenwo kwiba ifyabene mwishina lya ntolelefye? Serious matters are much more than PF party which is in disarray.
Ndeloleshafye .
tumfweko ati shani soulosi,, do you know what time the hammer is coming down on kabimba
if you think its boring don’t refer to yourself as Zambia. its like saying you don’t believe your father sired you, then who did?
melupi ulinachibanda chabwanji aii
Mwana it is MILUPI and not MELUPI. MWABEMA?
The test of time will tell!
Ba Milupi naimwe Barotse story today sure. Remember you are an opposition leader and the best think for you to do is to critise the ruling PF for it to deliver on promises it made, not this unending Barotse thing which you are yapping about. Take advantage of the squabbles in PF to make yourself popular to the electorates across the country. Bring matters that are affecting the people in their daily lives and you will become closer to state house.Thats my advise mwata leave it or take it.
One of the PF promises was to restore the BA64 in 90 days.
so that you continue burying your head in the sand?
MILUPI IS A VERY SELFISH HUMAN BEING WHO IGNORES TO SEE REASON.
YES H.E.SATA MADE PROMISES IN HIS PERSONAL CAPACITY. SO GO AHEAD AND TAKE HIM TO TASK. BUT THE REST US ZAMBIANS FROM ALL PARTS OF ZAMBIA DO NOT AGREE WITH THE BAROTSE ISSUE.
ZAMBIA WAS UNIFIED BY KK AT INDEPENDENCE. WE HAVE HAD INTERMARRIAGES OVER THE YEARS AND PEOPLE ARE FULLY INTEGRATED. SO BO MILUPI, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
I HAVE SAID TIME AND AGAIN THAT IF IT IS MARGINALIZATION YOU ARE FIGHTING FOR, YOU MAY RECEIVE SYMPATHY. BUT SECESSION FROM THE REST OF ZAMBIA IS OUT.
WE SHALL COME OUT IN NUMBERS & FIGHT FOR RESTORATION OF BAROTSELAND AS PART OF ZAMBIA IF YOU GUYS PROCEED & SUCCEED WITH YOUR SELFISH MOTIVES.
I WAS BORN WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT BAROTSELAND IS PART OF ZAMBIA. ANYONE WHO WANTS TO TAKE…
Does squating on somebody else’s property for 49 years make you legal owner of that property? Remember, a territory is property owned by its populace via its soveregnty. But how did Zambia legally acquire Barotseland – wasn’t it through the BA64? Zambia should simply have performed its part of the deal on a give-and- take basis. Theft and other fraudulent methods of wishing to takeover Barotseland by deciet and false pretences won’t do, as they proved to short-lived. Zambia should have just been civil to own up and fulfil its obligations and other parts of the bargain. Busholi nyaa!
You still have abit of time to table it down with him, i wouldnt wait for long though, he doesnt have enough recharge on him, my free advice.
@Scrutinizer, those r some of the many issues that has brought about BUFI song n the King pin can.save his face at least by honouring just one
Lewanika started Bufi by claiming that the Lambaland was part of His kingdom. Then this Bufi has been moving from lewanika to Sata !!!!!! . Kaunda is also in the mix.
@Leo Phiri
I do not know whether you are aware that the Lambas and Lozis are traditional cousins. If you do, find out how that cousinship came about between the two groups. The correct history of that cousinship will make you be informed that actually, Lewanika was authorized by the Lamba traditional leaders to do what he did. You may not be well informed of the Lamba – Lozi rich history because of the first Republican President Dr. Kenneth Kaunda obliterating the Barotseland history from the Zambian school Syllabus. Do not undermine the Lambas unfairly.
Exellent. HISTORY ,where is that it’s under barotseland,
The governance system in Africa is very complicated, in particular the Zambian one. How many leaders do we have in Zambia? Probably more than 5000! That cannot see us survive the 21 century. We have too many political systems running parallel to one another which is not healthy at all. The chiefs wants to have their say, the democratic politicians their own, the church leaders their own, in the end we don’t come up with one concrete thing. The Balotse Land issue wouldn’t have come up if we all were good meaning Zambians. But selfishness has clipped in and we feel so good in it that we cant realise how fast we are dragging our development as a nation. Its a shame to hear a politician criticise without however giving any peace of advice. Surely, I strongly suggest to do away with…
Thank u Milupi now u realise Barotse saga was obliterated long ago.How can it be sanctioned now?One Zambia One Nation.Its gone & wil never be sanctioned l can asure u.Intermariages & other diversity factors have obsecured the entire paper & foregone.One sovereign nation at hand now.
kk deserves praise on this one becoz what he did for purposes of unifying Zambia is priceless.milupi is trying to find a scapegoat for his political frustratons in the barotse issue.this makes him sound naïve and very uneducated.with all his education one would ‘ve expected him to play it smart and not be another addition to the old clique of ‘dirty’ politicians.for once pliz let’s be rational and try to play 21st century politics.
KK did the right thing.
Viva KK Viva Zambia
Owe to that country whose citizen rush into leadership positions even when they even have no idea on what is involved and knowledge required to be possessed. for They use guesswork and rule also using their feelings and impulses not using intelligence and wisdom and diplomacy
I thought it was just a saying when they used to say Lozi and
Tonga people are very selfish people. Selfish hypocrites
It is not right to make short cuts, this is the consequences. I know the government is sweating with this issue and has no hope of restoring Barotsland but to scare the people with arrests. I feel they should arrest even the Litunga if you checked well in the Rodger Chongwe’s submission of the commission reports. Please the Government must be truthful and tell the Nation what were the findings of the commission report by Rodger Chongwe.
BA 64 can not be resolved by Bemba clique of Tribalists , masquerading as national leaders but feeding on regional agenda, starting from KK because they are selfish and self centered look at how they appoint their relatives to positions and create Muchinga to siphon money from central Govt to their region.
# Inaluya – Since when did KK become Bemba? If a horse is born in a cow shed does that make it a cow? Mwanawasa and Rupiya Banda have been presidents but what did they do to resolve the BA 64 problem? Please be logical for once and stop blaming Bembas for everything? As for siphoning money to Muchinga, that’s another shallow allegation? Go to Muchinga and see if there has been any development you dull maggot.
# 18 Inaluya – Since when did KK become Bemba? If a horse is born in a cow shed does that make it a cow? Mwanawasa and Rupiya Banda have been presidents but what did they do to resolve the BA 64 problem? Please be logical for once and stop blaming Bembas for everything? As for siphoning money to Muchinga, that’s another shallow allegation? Go to Muchinga and see if there has been any development you dull maggot.
MILUPI YOU ARE A TRIBAL FOOL YOU LOZIS FOUND PIPO IN THE AREA YOU ARE CLAIMING NOT EVERYONE IN THE WESTERN PROVINCE IS LOZI 95% OF THE LOZIS ARE TRIBALISTS AND SELFISH. HOW MANY LOZIS OWN PROPERTY IN THE REST OF ZMBIA AS OPPOSED TO THE NUMBER OF PIPO FROM OTHER TRIBES OWNING PROPERTY IN WESTERN PROVINCE. MILUPI WE KNOW YOU WELL ENOUGH TO SEE BEYOND WHAT MEETS THE EYE YOU CLEVER *****. WESTERN PROVINCE WILL ALWAYS BE AN INTERGRAL PART OF ZAMBIA.
Very interesting comments. Hypocrisy, ignorance, arrogance, confusion, dishonesty etc etc etc.
It will be interesting when these matters are brought before the courts of law.
The question is; If the BA64 united the country, it means that without it the country is divided again. This is what I get. As usual Kaponyas are saying 1964 which is only 49 years ago, is such a long time ago that agreements made then have become stale. This kind of thinking can only come from kaponyas and tribalists. Yaaba. Anyway, thank God we have govt structures in place to handle these issues. History will tell who the real tribalists are in this country.
PF wrangles are nothing compared to the BA64. Try to be serious for once, please.
Eminem. what KK did was to abrogate/nullify the very agreement which united Zambia!! That is what I get when I read the agreement and the arguments being put up by those involved in the issue.
What is your motive for twisting the issue the other way round?? Is it to add more confusion?? Who will benefit from that confusion?? No one.
Tribalists are those blaming Bembas for this so called BA64. Bembas did not create the problem. KK is not Bemba. Mwanawasa and RB did not address the problem and they were not called tribalists. Sata might have used it to win votes. so you need to address the issue with him. Insulting every innocent Bemba is not the way forward..
When kk differed with kapwepwe it ment no Bemba had a say in government.lndeed levy and Rb never dealt with it and no one brought in tribalism but Sata from Mpika is in State house u bring yo Barotse thing ?Selfish pipo.fimbuli,sabotuers!
# Mutale Chikwanda
You should understand Zam Politics. Who brought KK to power and kept him was it not the Bembas. If you removed Bembas from Zambia we shall all have peaceful nights. You study history from pre-independence and you will find that it is the Bembas and the people they have backed that frustrated BA64.
No need to learn the history right now. Why all the sudden they want a separate state. They are nuts.after they have discovered some oil and minerals and they want to separate from Zambia. That shows how these people are so selfish.
After benefiting from the rest of the country. If they think it’s a separate state then they should be asked to pay a heft fines for living in Zambia for free. I mean in trillion dollars if they want separate from the rest of the country.
I am sure that would make them think twice. I thought tribalism was a thing of the past. Our country is just gaining some steam to prosperity and then this nonsense BA 64. Learn to live like civilized people. United will succeed divided will fall. Accept what you have and move on and learn to live together.
Bastards!!!
Why they have to involve KK in this mess they creating. KK is human and he has done a share of his mistakes but overall he has done better this than worse. He brought the all ethic groups or tribes together, freely to move from western to eastern provice. These people are nuts. I say instead of wasting time to learn pre 1964 elections, they should open up a bible. They very same people rushed to Copperbelt when the Copperbelt was booming. No the western is booming its a different story. Grow up people.