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President Edgar Lungu after he received the Constitution Amendment bill that was passed by parliament last week. President Edgar Lungu reiterating that he would assent to the document in the first week of January, next year. PICTURE BY EDDIE MWANALEZA/STATEHOUSE . 23-12-2015
President Edgar Lungu has deferred the assenting of the constitution amendment bill recently passed by parliament to January following the receipt of a petition from former Vice President and Heritage Party President Brigadier General Godfrey Miyanda.
Speaking when Clerk of the National Assembly Doris Mwiinga presented certified copies of the documents to him at State House, the president said that he would have signed the document by Wednesday morning but wanted to look at the contents of General Miyanda’s petition before assenting to the Bill.
The President said that much as democracy is about following what the majority wants, it is still important to give the minority an opportunity to be heard.
The President assured that he will assent to the constitution Bill by the first week of January, next year.
President Lungu said that this will be done at an official ceremony to give the constitution the honour it deserves.
And presenting the documents, Mrs. Mwiinga said the Constitution of Zambia Bill and Constitution Amendment Bill have been certified by Speaker of the National Assembly Patrick Matibini.
Early this week, Heritage Party president Brigadier General Godfrey Miyanda asked President Edgar Lungu not to immediately assent to the Constitution Amendment Bill as there were still contentious issues such as political party funding among 10 other issues that he raised. The full contents of Brigadier General Miyanda can be read at the link below
President Edgar Lungu thanks Madam Doris Mwinga clerk of the National assembly the Constitution Amendment bill that was passed by parliament last week. President Edgar Lungu reiterating that he would assent to the document in the first week of January, next year. PICTURE BY EDDIE MWANALEZA/STATEHOUSE . 23-12-2015President Edgar Lungu with Madam Doris Mwinga clerk of the National assembly after she Presanted the Constitution Amendment bill that was passed by parliament last week. President Edgar Lungu reiterating that he would assent to the document in the first week of January, next year. PICTURE BY EDDIE MWANALEZA/STATEHOUSE . 23-12-2015President Edgar Lungu thanks from Madam Doris Mwinga clerck of the National assembly the Constitution Amendment bill that was passed by parliament last week. President Edgar Lungu reiterating that he would assent to the document in the first week of January, next year. PICTURE BY EDDIE MWANALEZA/STATEHOUSE . 23-12-2015President Edgar Lungu recieves from Madam Doris Mwinga clerck of the National assembly the Constitution Amendment bill that was passed by parliament last week. President Edgar Lungu reiterating that he would assent to the document in the first week of January, next year. PICTURE BY EDDIE MWANALEZA/STATEHOUSE . 23-12-2015President Edgar Lungu receives from Madam Doris Mwinga clerk of the National assembly the Constitution Amendment bill that was passed by parliament last week. President Edgar Lungu reiterating that he would assent to the document in the first week of January, next year. PICTURE BY EDDIE MWANALEZA/STATEHOUSE . 23-12-2015President Edgar Lungu received from Madam Doris Mwinga clerk of the National assembly the Constitution Amendment bill that was passed by parliament last week. President Edgar Lungu reiterating that he would assent to the document in the first week of January, next year. PICTURE BY EDDIE MWANALEZA/STATEHOUSE . 23-12-2015
Iwe Kabotolo Lungu, just sign the damn thing, we want to move on. Why should the whole nation be held at ransom by a self centered man who thinks everything should revolve around him. Is Miyanda even relevant in today’s politics? I thought that question stopped being relevant in 2001 and has just become a circus show to even worry about the answer and later lone care about who answered. This is a man who can’t even see in the insanity of being defeated by Spoiled ballots year in year out and today he wants to hold the nation at ransom. Miyanda might have been a great man but his judgment in the modern setting is questionable.
Anyway, it is democracy, let him have his moment of two weeks of fame. This document can still be amended later
iwe miyanda leka ama sangalatoni ayi!!! tulefwaya 50% + 1 naiwe uleleta fimbi fimbi apa.
any other issues can be amended in future. you cant have the best cake on your first bake!
waaa uuumfwa!
The president has shown that he thinks unlike most bloggers who attack Miyanda without critically reading the points he raised.Mp’s should not be allowed to submit shoddy work.They should have debated intelligently and raised the issues General Miyanda has raised.
haha maharji ati “Mp’s should not be allowed to submit shoddy work”
please stop mesmerizing yourself. ba grade 7 aba abena kambwili sure you expect an intelligently debated document? intelligence doesn’t come through kaponya campaigns waaa uunfwa?? stop voting for failures if you want mediocrity to end haha you vote for someone ati pantu alalanda saana haha
Does what Edgar is saying make sense? I will sign the bill next week, but the minority have to be heard and trashed anyway…because I will sign anyway…..gibberish!!
We all heard the audio of Gary Nkombo debating the constitution in Parliament. The man couldn’t even string two sentences together that made sense. And yet UPND cadres will swear up and down that their party is full of intellectuals and intelligent people! If the quality of debating the constitution by Gary Nkombo can be defined as that of an intellectual and intelligent person, then UPND is In good hands!
PF cadres, when UPND raised the same issues raised by Miyanda, you called them all sorts of names. You are an interesting lot.
I dismayed to hear that visionless Lungu boasted of signing the supreme law document of the land without careful examination. Is this the kind of leader Zambia needs? A leader who does not give a thought about each decision he is about to make.
Lungu and Sata are huge mistakes in Zambian politics.
2016 vote UPND to correct this anomaly.
Is it true that you people will continue with that playful president up to August 2016? It is unbelievable
Zambians balibelela ifyabupuba as vogue when serious nations are moving ahead with improving services for their citizens!
@ Nostradamus one Mwanza (FDD) of president Lungu says, and quote…….”He wants to spend more time going round playing, dancing and drinking. To him, presidency is about enjoyment. It is time to celebrate, to enjoy, to drink and to dance. He does not see the presidency as a noble responsibility, a rare privilege from God to provide leadership for the people of Zambia. We are in a crisis,”….unquote. This resonates very well with those administering Zambia’s foreign missions abroad as most of them take after the master….drinking, enjoying and more enjoying is all they understand to be their assignment!
‘..later lone..’ *let alone
hold… at ransom *hold… to ransom
Miyanda is right.
Lungu is a sly cunning slippery character. He is behaving like he respects Gen Miyanda’s petition but in the same breath he is telling his supporters that Miyanda’s views are irrelevant because he is signing the bill in January 2016 anyway. This is double speak from a double forked tongue of a liar.
But is it possible for him to change anything at this stage? If he agrees with Miyanda, then he will send the document back to parliament for further debate. I begin to despair, will we ever get this Constitution?
“The log-nuts on the wheels of the car is loose and the breaks are not working. But the engine sounds good. We have a full tank of gasoline and wipe blades are working just fine. Why can’t we just go? Will we ever get to the party!” – MyZambia
“Lucky for leaders because many people don’t think.” – Adolf Hitler
“He who refuses to think has no advantage over he who can’t.” – Anonymous
this man is deciding for the nation he has taken keen interest to hear what Miyanda has said if his point is valid he will know what to do that is true democracy,mind you this guy is a lawer by profession,he is therefore studying the whole document before he signs it in case something has been altered,ECL you are more than a man,i like your quality of leadership you are showing to the zambian pipo may the good Lord God Jehovah guid you in anything your are doing for this great nation zambia,GOD BLESS ECL and GOD BLESS ZAMBIA
General Miyanda may be leading a small party with no MPS but without a doubt the man is a creative and strategic thinker. This man can’t compare to kitchen politicians like HH and Nawakwi.
@ Think Again: General Miyanda has raised valid questions in his letter to HE ECL, but where was he when others were making submissions? We all want to move on and leave the Constitution debates behind. Though you claim General Miyanda is better than the Kitchen politicians Nawakwi and HH, the two did raise their concerns on the new constitution, where was Miyanda?
I am also in a dilemma because Miyanda presented valid points in his petition. We do need to clarify which party qualify for government funding – is it the majority opposition party or everyone? What about media freedom or land?
Ya, this thing is a double edged sword.
And if the points raised by Miyanda are valid, then this piece of legislation was just rushed through parliament
for the sake of expediency. They should have taken some time to debate every aspect of the legislation instead of leaving behind too many unknowns. Maybe a second chamber would have seen these anomalies and rectified them before sending this to the president. Any case we must prepare ourselves for the possibility that this piece of document might be sent back to the house.
ED listens to the Lone Ranger? Unlikely. More likely he has his own time table worked out but a convenient excuse has arisen.
So as we break for Xmas, ED, no break for you. If I recall correctly you started your presidency with a vacation so more work, less parties… Now this is a tall order. Presidential bar tender getting ready to put in some serious over time…
just a thought. suppose other petitions follow is it not that a precident has been set. We may continue attending to them until election time comes.
I am busy writing my petition right now!
Can everyone who has some objection to this bill please also send Lungu a petition?
We must all have some equality here, no special treatment for one man, Miyanda, after all he is not even elected, so who does he represent except himself?
It goes to show Parliament is compromised.
Here we go again. Is Pres.Lungu going to accept more petitions? What if the Grand Coalition also sends him a petition on some articles?So what happens then? Lungu says he will accent to the bill in the first week of January 2016. Meanwhile parliament is on recess so what will change between now and January? So it means everything here is academic- if Lungu finds merit in Gen.Miyanda’s concerns he is supposed to send it back to Parliament but he says he will ascent to the bill before parliament will have resumed to rebated it? But one thing is also clear from Gen.Miyanda’s observations- our MPs do not do critical analysis but just rubber stamp things because some articles indeed needed further clarity to avoid ambiguity and contradictions!
petition from the Grand coalition cannot be accepted they said they are going to de-campaign pf they have already chosen a side simple my man,unless they go as a political party
General Miyanda…tell us sir who will be your running mate? Am sure you will be running mate to yourself! Good idea sir. The constitution , I mean, the bill is silent. Vague thing. I wish you all the best ba General. If you cant get 1 percent how do you get 50 plus one percent bamudala. In 2001 I voted for you. I haven’t voted since….still debating whether to vote in 2016!
‘…50 plus one percent …’ * 50% (of total valid votes cast) plus one (vote)
How did our MPs miss all those issues raised by Gen. Miyanda?
I now believe what Mwanawasa once said -that the quality of debates in our national assembly is very poor!
We have dull MPs who get huge allowances for shouting ‘hear’ ‘hear’ and warming benches. Shame!
Jack
Because they don’t bother to read. Yet even to out up a good debate.
Especially Gary Nkombo he just drinks
That’s the way to do it Mr Miyanda…Zambians are a docile people who treat the president like a King and do not know their constitutional rights.
which ceromony do we need, to bring pipo frm all over the country and cardes as another election campign to waste more money in allowances for gvt officals and chiefs. Just sign the bill you playboy and get down to some work. You remove clauses that would provide checks and balances like debt borrowing, so dnt play the hero wen the truth is known. ZAMBIANS easily fooled no wonder you can be charged K1 billion to build a three bedroom house at chelston police.
There you are. UPND says we are a party of intelligent people. One man has raised the issue and Lungu gives him the opportunity to be heard. Where are the learned people.
UPND has a lot of people who show off for nothing. I don’t think the outlandish UPND mps have even read the Constitution. Theirs is to oppose anything based on the hate for Lungu.
However, Miyanda just likes to hear his voice. He is a very self centred frustrated man. He has tried to build a party but no one wants to work with him or for him.
Miyanda you don’t have votes to change the status quo. Waste of time. Good try though!
THE JAMESON AMENDMENTS WILL BE SIGNED INTO LAW EVENTUALLY! !! AFTER DEMANDING LOCK STEP MARCH FROM ALL HIS MPS LUNGU DARE NOT I REPEAT DARE NOT MAKE THEM ALL LOOK FOOLISH BY SPENDING THE BILL BACK FOR ANY REASON. THIS WILL CREATE A REVOLT WITHIN THE PF SUCH AS HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN IN ZAMBIAN POLITICS. LUNGUS HANDS ARE TIED. HE WILL SIGN THE “JAMESON AMENDMENTS” AS SOON AS HE HAS PLAYED OUT THIS LITTLE PUBLICITY STUNT! BA PF KUWAYAWAYA FYE!
The So called Educated UPND MPs were busy boasting about two shots of Whiskey they took to say awake despite having had the document over the weekend. Another one who just finished a short course in IT was busy boasting about how he now knows the difference between a virus and a Trojan horse. Honestly, we have a useless parliament and useless opposition. Miyanda is a Saviour and God sent despite not having a single MP. That is why we need proportional representation than this useless winer takes all system
THE JAMESON AMENDMENTS WILL BE SIGNED INTO LAW EVENTUALLY! !! AFTER DEMANDING LOCK STEP MARCH FROM ALL HIS MPS LUNGU DARE NOT I REPEAT DARE NOT MAKE THEM ALL LOOK LIKE MORONS BY SPENDING THE BILL BACK FOR ANY REASON. THIS WILL CREATE A REVOLT WITHIN THE PF SUCH AS HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN IN ZAMBIAN POLITICS. LUNGUS HANDS ARE TIED. HE WILL SIGN THE “JAMESON AMENDMENTS” AS SOON AS HE HAS PLAYED OUT THIS LITTLE PUBLICITY STUNT! BA PF KUWAYAWAYA FYE!
Such is the power of stupidity in any given scenario, never to be under estimated.
Well said.
Why not introducing IQ test as requirement to stand for election?
Maybe this is a joke. Will comment later.
So you mean this clueless, visionless,brainless,useless agwa doesn’t know the contents of the damn new constitution please iwe chakolwa don’t play double standards on us,we are not that dull as you think we know you are just buying time to change something which you have realised will turn against you and you are using Miyanda’s petition as an excuse since when did you become a listening person because you are a very stubborn worm puffed stomach person. Nonsense!!!!!!
I am 100% sure that Gen. Miyanda is preparing another petition or argument AGAINST this (his) petition. The man survives by arguing with himself and then tries to check the public reaction. He gets a kick out of all this. I have always wondered what kind of country Zambia would have been by now had the general miraculously won elections. We all would be arguing and petitioning each other, even over the price of dagga. I feel so sorry for Angela.
# Heritage Leader, I like that mudala, this village concept man also winds me up with his thinking….bushe tebangefye?
Yabaa, I also feel sorry for my beautiful aunt Angela, the general must be locking up himself for weeks strategilising and counter strategilising, to bring out all this data, what a lonely life for aunt mweee!
Heritage Leader and Z’ezemba, you guys must be very dull.
Man from China (Lazarous), sometimes you have to see the hilarious side of life-don’t be too serious, this is just politics……….am with Herintage Leader and Zeze-having a laugh!
Ati the signing of the Bills will be done at “an official ceremony”. You don’t need a ceremony for that. Just announce that its been signed and being sent for printing for everyone to access. An official ceremony in Zambia means another huge expenditure – toasting with champagne and the like.
Anyway, its also clear that in its form, this Constitution won’t last intact (which was the original idea) I can see successive governments amending this and that.
Well every Zambian knows, Party Funding is the least worry Politicians in Zambia have! They just get it from Europe, USA, and top it up with rich self interest groups such as Mining conglomerates seeking to get awY with non tax Payments!!
As for the remaining ’10 small issues’ or so, in the interest of democracy I expect they are so small as to be nothing more than cunning manipulations designed to delay the passing of our eagerly awaited new Constitution, to cause dissatisfaction with our President among citizens. It’s hopeless!
Our President shows great wit and wisdom by delaying it to note the petition, but will pass it without fail in January with great Ceremony! Marvellous. Show everyone how patient we have been to these groups of dissenters. Let them have their noisy…
A very humble man who can leave all voices and just wait for one voice. Not kachema busy chasing siamunene and others at kachema. Thankyou HE chagwa lungu
Imagine if General Miyanda was minister of defense or Justice? Thank you presient lungu. I hope Kambwili and his other cronies from the PF and UPND do not make weird statements. You know they alwayts have some awkward thing to say always.
* They Always have
Edger chabe
The court have the responsibility to interpret the law – it is not always that the constitution can be in black and white – sometimes there is clay spots …
Comment:pfools are the one to blame
Comment:Wanders shall never end
‘..Wanders..” *wonders (even)!
But Chagwa uli Shilu. Why do you hold on to the document when you have even indicated that you will sign it in January 2016?. Is it because you already earlier said that you will sign it the moment you receive it? So you are fooling the General? Remind you that man is a war planner trained by the Mossad. It is just unfortunate that his military training taught him to do things in solitary, otherwise he would have made a very good President following on the late Muwelewele Levy (MHSRIP), who turned to be the best disciplined Presido.
Anyway, just give Zambians something new on paper but not in reality. Dull MPs will still shout hear, hear, hear! Waiting for a sitting allowance.
…what baffles is that this document in its draft form was not totally generated by the current Parley…this document was tossed from the Mwanakatwe to Mvunga Commission rolled over to Mungomba all the way to Mwanawasa’s NCC and finally MCS group….infact this draft was at one time give to LAZ for scrutiny and comment…..do you mean to say no one along its long journey ever noticed what GM is concerned about…??…sure and obvious discrepancy on modalities of funding political parties
I have been convinced that diaspora is full of dull and stupid zambians, atleast going by some of comments above.They do not inspire any bit of confidence in us zambian at home.It is democracy and Miyanda has brought out valid observations nd needs to be given due attention.
Iwee, chi Mungule, Miyanda is just an attention seeker, where was he all this time the issue was being discussed in parliament , why didn’t he put in a petition? He is just a time waster, we want this document signed now, we are tired of waiting year in year out, if anything amendments can be done even at a latter stage.
how do we expect to have a well baked cake wen the so called inteligent MPs cud run away wen th debate was so hot from parliament?????? these issues raised by Miyanda are serious issues that need consideration and thats why the president has postponed the ascent to the bill and i foresee it being delayed even after the first week of january…. the president is taking his time on Generals petition becoz it is filled with so much sense and not insults from these other kitchen politicians…. it is jst surprising that Miyanda did not raise these issues earlier on and raises then now wen we said we have a new constitution??? ba miyanda mwilalala esp on such important matters…anyhow yo Excelence give voice to the minority and on esp the duo citizenship??? ba mwenye kuti baisatupoka icalo…
At this rate proposed by Miyanda we shall still be debating the Constitution in the year 2025.
Miyanda is a time waster. By the way why does he not just stand as an MP because his Heritage Party will never garner enough votes for him to be president of Zambia.
Makasa I remember Miyanda insisting that Parliament should debate objectively because of what he saw in the constitution. He raised concerns may be you missed it.
As usual a lone voice in a very noise place of hear, hear from my big Man Kambwili can’t be heard. My big man was busy telling his critics off that they had delivered a people’s driven constitution. With all those issues raised is this what my minister of misinformation called people’s driven constitution? That they had shamed their critics. So who has been shamed my minister of misinformation or his critics?
Surely which political party will be funded and what cost?
Iwe Kabotolo Lungu, just sign the damn thing, we want to move on. Why should the whole nation be held at ransom by a self centered man who thinks everything should revolve around him. Is Miyanda even relevant in today’s politics? I thought that question stopped being relevant in 2001 and has just become a circus show to even worry about the answer and later lone care about who answered. This is a man who can’t even see in the insanity of being defeated by Spoiled ballots year in year out and today he wants to hold the nation at ransom. Miyanda might have been a great man but his judgment in the modern setting is questionable.
Anyway, it is democracy, let him have his moment of two weeks of fame. This document can still be amended later
iwe miyanda leka ama sangalatoni ayi!!! tulefwaya 50% + 1 naiwe uleleta fimbi fimbi apa.
any other issues can be amended in future. you cant have the best cake on your first bake!
waaa uuumfwa!
The president has shown that he thinks unlike most bloggers who attack Miyanda without critically reading the points he raised.Mp’s should not be allowed to submit shoddy work.They should have debated intelligently and raised the issues General Miyanda has raised.
haha maharji ati “Mp’s should not be allowed to submit shoddy work”
please stop mesmerizing yourself. ba grade 7 aba abena kambwili sure you expect an intelligently debated document? intelligence doesn’t come through kaponya campaigns waaa uunfwa?? stop voting for failures if you want mediocrity to end haha you vote for someone ati pantu alalanda saana haha
Does what Edgar is saying make sense? I will sign the bill next week, but the minority have to be heard and trashed anyway…because I will sign anyway…..gibberish!!
We all heard the audio of Gary Nkombo debating the constitution in Parliament. The man couldn’t even string two sentences together that made sense. And yet UPND cadres will swear up and down that their party is full of intellectuals and intelligent people! If the quality of debating the constitution by Gary Nkombo can be defined as that of an intellectual and intelligent person, then UPND is In good hands!
PF cadres, when UPND raised the same issues raised by Miyanda, you called them all sorts of names. You are an interesting lot.
I dismayed to hear that visionless Lungu boasted of signing the supreme law document of the land without careful examination. Is this the kind of leader Zambia needs? A leader who does not give a thought about each decision he is about to make.
Lungu and Sata are huge mistakes in Zambian politics.
2016 vote UPND to correct this anomaly.
Is it true that you people will continue with that playful president up to August 2016? It is unbelievable
Zambians balibelela ifyabupuba as vogue when serious nations are moving ahead with improving services for their citizens!
@ Nostradamus one Mwanza (FDD) of president Lungu says, and quote…….”He wants to spend more time going round playing, dancing and drinking. To him, presidency is about enjoyment. It is time to celebrate, to enjoy, to drink and to dance. He does not see the presidency as a noble responsibility, a rare privilege from God to provide leadership for the people of Zambia. We are in a crisis,”….unquote. This resonates very well with those administering Zambia’s foreign missions abroad as most of them take after the master….drinking, enjoying and more enjoying is all they understand to be their assignment!
‘..later lone..’ *let alone
hold… at ransom *hold… to ransom
Miyanda is right.
Lungu is a sly cunning slippery character. He is behaving like he respects Gen Miyanda’s petition but in the same breath he is telling his supporters that Miyanda’s views are irrelevant because he is signing the bill in January 2016 anyway. This is double speak from a double forked tongue of a liar.
But is it possible for him to change anything at this stage? If he agrees with Miyanda, then he will send the document back to parliament for further debate. I begin to despair, will we ever get this Constitution?
“The log-nuts on the wheels of the car is loose and the breaks are not working. But the engine sounds good. We have a full tank of gasoline and wipe blades are working just fine. Why can’t we just go? Will we ever get to the party!” – MyZambia
“Lucky for leaders because many people don’t think.” – Adolf Hitler
“He who refuses to think has no advantage over he who can’t.” – Anonymous
this man is deciding for the nation he has taken keen interest to hear what Miyanda has said if his point is valid he will know what to do that is true democracy,mind you this guy is a lawer by profession,he is therefore studying the whole document before he signs it in case something has been altered,ECL you are more than a man,i like your quality of leadership you are showing to the zambian pipo may the good Lord God Jehovah guid you in anything your are doing for this great nation zambia,GOD BLESS ECL and GOD BLESS ZAMBIA
General Miyanda may be leading a small party with no MPS but without a doubt the man is a creative and strategic thinker. This man can’t compare to kitchen politicians like HH and Nawakwi.
@ Think Again: General Miyanda has raised valid questions in his letter to HE ECL, but where was he when others were making submissions? We all want to move on and leave the Constitution debates behind. Though you claim General Miyanda is better than the Kitchen politicians Nawakwi and HH, the two did raise their concerns on the new constitution, where was Miyanda?
I am also in a dilemma because Miyanda presented valid points in his petition. We do need to clarify which party qualify for government funding – is it the majority opposition party or everyone? What about media freedom or land?
Ya, this thing is a double edged sword.
And if the points raised by Miyanda are valid, then this piece of legislation was just rushed through parliament
for the sake of expediency. They should have taken some time to debate every aspect of the legislation instead of leaving behind too many unknowns. Maybe a second chamber would have seen these anomalies and rectified them before sending this to the president. Any case we must prepare ourselves for the possibility that this piece of document might be sent back to the house.
ED listens to the Lone Ranger? Unlikely. More likely he has his own time table worked out but a convenient excuse has arisen.
So as we break for Xmas, ED, no break for you. If I recall correctly you started your presidency with a vacation so more work, less parties… Now this is a tall order. Presidential bar tender getting ready to put in some serious over time…
just a thought. suppose other petitions follow is it not that a precident has been set. We may continue attending to them until election time comes.
I am busy writing my petition right now!
Can everyone who has some objection to this bill please also send Lungu a petition?
We must all have some equality here, no special treatment for one man, Miyanda, after all he is not even elected, so who does he represent except himself?
It goes to show Parliament is compromised.
Here we go again. Is Pres.Lungu going to accept more petitions? What if the Grand Coalition also sends him a petition on some articles?So what happens then? Lungu says he will accent to the bill in the first week of January 2016. Meanwhile parliament is on recess so what will change between now and January? So it means everything here is academic- if Lungu finds merit in Gen.Miyanda’s concerns he is supposed to send it back to Parliament but he says he will ascent to the bill before parliament will have resumed to rebated it? But one thing is also clear from Gen.Miyanda’s observations- our MPs do not do critical analysis but just rubber stamp things because some articles indeed needed further clarity to avoid ambiguity and contradictions!
petition from the Grand coalition cannot be accepted they said they are going to de-campaign pf they have already chosen a side simple my man,unless they go as a political party
General Miyanda…tell us sir who will be your running mate? Am sure you will be running mate to yourself! Good idea sir. The constitution , I mean, the bill is silent. Vague thing. I wish you all the best ba General. If you cant get 1 percent how do you get 50 plus one percent bamudala. In 2001 I voted for you. I haven’t voted since….still debating whether to vote in 2016!
‘…50 plus one percent …’ * 50% (of total valid votes cast) plus one (vote)
How did our MPs miss all those issues raised by Gen. Miyanda?
I now believe what Mwanawasa once said -that the quality of debates in our national assembly is very poor!
We have dull MPs who get huge allowances for shouting ‘hear’ ‘hear’ and warming benches. Shame!
Jack
Because they don’t bother to read. Yet even to out up a good debate.
Especially Gary Nkombo he just drinks
That’s the way to do it Mr Miyanda…Zambians are a docile people who treat the president like a King and do not know their constitutional rights.
which ceromony do we need, to bring pipo frm all over the country and cardes as another election campign to waste more money in allowances for gvt officals and chiefs. Just sign the bill you playboy and get down to some work. You remove clauses that would provide checks and balances like debt borrowing, so dnt play the hero wen the truth is known. ZAMBIANS easily fooled no wonder you can be charged K1 billion to build a three bedroom house at chelston police.
There you are. UPND says we are a party of intelligent people. One man has raised the issue and Lungu gives him the opportunity to be heard. Where are the learned people.
UPND has a lot of people who show off for nothing. I don’t think the outlandish UPND mps have even read the Constitution. Theirs is to oppose anything based on the hate for Lungu.
However, Miyanda just likes to hear his voice. He is a very self centred frustrated man. He has tried to build a party but no one wants to work with him or for him.
Miyanda you don’t have votes to change the status quo. Waste of time. Good try though!
THE JAMESON AMENDMENTS WILL BE SIGNED INTO LAW EVENTUALLY! !! AFTER DEMANDING LOCK STEP MARCH FROM ALL HIS MPS LUNGU DARE NOT I REPEAT DARE NOT MAKE THEM ALL LOOK FOOLISH BY SPENDING THE BILL BACK FOR ANY REASON. THIS WILL CREATE A REVOLT WITHIN THE PF SUCH AS HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN IN ZAMBIAN POLITICS. LUNGUS HANDS ARE TIED. HE WILL SIGN THE “JAMESON AMENDMENTS” AS SOON AS HE HAS PLAYED OUT THIS LITTLE PUBLICITY STUNT! BA PF KUWAYAWAYA FYE!
The So called Educated UPND MPs were busy boasting about two shots of Whiskey they took to say awake despite having had the document over the weekend. Another one who just finished a short course in IT was busy boasting about how he now knows the difference between a virus and a Trojan horse. Honestly, we have a useless parliament and useless opposition. Miyanda is a Saviour and God sent despite not having a single MP. That is why we need proportional representation than this useless winer takes all system
THE JAMESON AMENDMENTS WILL BE SIGNED INTO LAW EVENTUALLY! !! AFTER DEMANDING LOCK STEP MARCH FROM ALL HIS MPS LUNGU DARE NOT I REPEAT DARE NOT MAKE THEM ALL LOOK LIKE MORONS BY SPENDING THE BILL BACK FOR ANY REASON. THIS WILL CREATE A REVOLT WITHIN THE PF SUCH AS HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN IN ZAMBIAN POLITICS. LUNGUS HANDS ARE TIED. HE WILL SIGN THE “JAMESON AMENDMENTS” AS SOON AS HE HAS PLAYED OUT THIS LITTLE PUBLICITY STUNT! BA PF KUWAYAWAYA FYE!
Such is the power of stupidity in any given scenario, never to be under estimated.
Well said.
Why not introducing IQ test as requirement to stand for election?
Maybe this is a joke. Will comment later.
So you mean this clueless, visionless,brainless,useless agwa doesn’t know the contents of the damn new constitution please iwe chakolwa don’t play double standards on us,we are not that dull as you think we know you are just buying time to change something which you have realised will turn against you and you are using Miyanda’s petition as an excuse since when did you become a listening person because you are a very stubborn worm puffed stomach person. Nonsense!!!!!!
I am 100% sure that Gen. Miyanda is preparing another petition or argument AGAINST this (his) petition. The man survives by arguing with himself and then tries to check the public reaction. He gets a kick out of all this. I have always wondered what kind of country Zambia would have been by now had the general miraculously won elections. We all would be arguing and petitioning each other, even over the price of dagga. I feel so sorry for Angela.
# Heritage Leader, I like that mudala, this village concept man also winds me up with his thinking….bushe tebangefye?
Yabaa, I also feel sorry for my beautiful aunt Angela, the general must be locking up himself for weeks strategilising and counter strategilising, to bring out all this data, what a lonely life for aunt mweee!
Heritage Leader and Z’ezemba, you guys must be very dull.
Man from China (Lazarous), sometimes you have to see the hilarious side of life-don’t be too serious, this is just politics……….am with Herintage Leader and Zeze-having a laugh!
Ati the signing of the Bills will be done at “an official ceremony”. You don’t need a ceremony for that. Just announce that its been signed and being sent for printing for everyone to access. An official ceremony in Zambia means another huge expenditure – toasting with champagne and the like.
Anyway, its also clear that in its form, this Constitution won’t last intact (which was the original idea) I can see successive governments amending this and that.
Well every Zambian knows, Party Funding is the least worry Politicians in Zambia have! They just get it from Europe, USA, and top it up with rich self interest groups such as Mining conglomerates seeking to get awY with non tax Payments!!
As for the remaining ’10 small issues’ or so, in the interest of democracy I expect they are so small as to be nothing more than cunning manipulations designed to delay the passing of our eagerly awaited new Constitution, to cause dissatisfaction with our President among citizens. It’s hopeless!
Our President shows great wit and wisdom by delaying it to note the petition, but will pass it without fail in January with great Ceremony! Marvellous. Show everyone how patient we have been to these groups of dissenters. Let them have their noisy…
A very humble man who can leave all voices and just wait for one voice. Not kachema busy chasing siamunene and others at kachema. Thankyou HE chagwa lungu
Imagine if General Miyanda was minister of defense or Justice? Thank you presient lungu. I hope Kambwili and his other cronies from the PF and UPND do not make weird statements. You know they alwayts have some awkward thing to say always.
* They Always have
Edger chabe
The court have the responsibility to interpret the law – it is not always that the constitution can be in black and white – sometimes there is clay spots …
Comment:pfools are the one to blame
Comment:Wanders shall never end
‘..Wanders..” *wonders (even)!
But Chagwa uli Shilu. Why do you hold on to the document when you have even indicated that you will sign it in January 2016?. Is it because you already earlier said that you will sign it the moment you receive it? So you are fooling the General? Remind you that man is a war planner trained by the Mossad. It is just unfortunate that his military training taught him to do things in solitary, otherwise he would have made a very good President following on the late Muwelewele Levy (MHSRIP), who turned to be the best disciplined Presido.
Anyway, just give Zambians something new on paper but not in reality. Dull MPs will still shout hear, hear, hear! Waiting for a sitting allowance.
…what baffles is that this document in its draft form was not totally generated by the current Parley…this document was tossed from the Mwanakatwe to Mvunga Commission rolled over to Mungomba all the way to Mwanawasa’s NCC and finally MCS group….infact this draft was at one time give to LAZ for scrutiny and comment…..do you mean to say no one along its long journey ever noticed what GM is concerned about…??…sure and obvious discrepancy on modalities of funding political parties
I have been convinced that diaspora is full of dull and stupid zambians, atleast going by some of comments above.They do not inspire any bit of confidence in us zambian at home.It is democracy and Miyanda has brought out valid observations nd needs to be given due attention.
Iwee, chi Mungule, Miyanda is just an attention seeker, where was he all this time the issue was being discussed in parliament , why didn’t he put in a petition? He is just a time waster, we want this document signed now, we are tired of waiting year in year out, if anything amendments can be done even at a latter stage.
how do we expect to have a well baked cake wen the so called inteligent MPs cud run away wen th debate was so hot from parliament?????? these issues raised by Miyanda are serious issues that need consideration and thats why the president has postponed the ascent to the bill and i foresee it being delayed even after the first week of january…. the president is taking his time on Generals petition becoz it is filled with so much sense and not insults from these other kitchen politicians…. it is jst surprising that Miyanda did not raise these issues earlier on and raises then now wen we said we have a new constitution??? ba miyanda mwilalala esp on such important matters…anyhow yo Excelence give voice to the minority and on esp the duo citizenship??? ba mwenye kuti baisatupoka icalo…
At this rate proposed by Miyanda we shall still be debating the Constitution in the year 2025.
Miyanda is a time waster. By the way why does he not just stand as an MP because his Heritage Party will never garner enough votes for him to be president of Zambia.
Makasa I remember Miyanda insisting that Parliament should debate objectively because of what he saw in the constitution. He raised concerns may be you missed it.
As usual a lone voice in a very noise place of hear, hear from my big Man Kambwili can’t be heard. My big man was busy telling his critics off that they had delivered a people’s driven constitution. With all those issues raised is this what my minister of misinformation called people’s driven constitution? That they had shamed their critics. So who has been shamed my minister of misinformation or his critics?
Surely which political party will be funded and what cost?