IT IS illogical for NUMSA to start fighting the Zambian Government simply because they are advancing an agenda to cover up the mess created by the defunct Post Newspaper yet turning a blind eye to social ills in their own country which they have failed to advocate against, PF deputy spokesperson Frank Bwalya has charged.
Commenting on NUMA’s refusal to engage the Zambian High Commission in that country to set the record straight over then Post Newspaper’s closure and its allegations that it felt the pain of poverty, unemployment and extreme inequalities affecting the majority of people of Zambia, Mr. Bwalya advised NUMSA to be logical and debate the issue with decency.
He wondered where NUMSA got the “hyena courage” to speak on issues surrounding other countries as though they were an extension of South Africa without regard to the sovereignty and independence of Zambia.
“We don’t think that NUMSA has exhausted issues affecting people in South Africa and we feel it is wrong for them to spread their tentacles to other countries in the name of speaking for the poor yet they have problems in their country which have remained unresolved. “NUMSA should wake up and realise that they are wandering away from their mandate in South Africa.
What they have done is essentially abandoning the people they should be speaking for and concentrating on an agenda which is highly suspicious by refusing to meet Mr. (Emmanuel) Mwamba (Zambian High Commissioner to South Africa) so that they can have a clear picture of what led to the closure of the Post Newspaper,” Mr. Bwalya said.
Last week, Mr. Mwamba invited NUMSA to an engagement over the closure of the Post but in its response yesterday, NUMSA refused to avail itself, saying whatever Mr. Mwamba had written was politically motivated, rendering the proposed meeting baseless.
In a statement yesterday, NUMSA deputy general secretary Karl Cloete said the union understood the situation in Zambia better. “We are very familiar with the political situation in Zambia, especially just before, during and after the last national elections, in 2016. We feel and suffer terribly the pain of poverty, unemployment and extreme inequalities affecting the majority of the people of Zambia.
Frank, wake up and don’t look at things from a partisan view. What NUMSA is doing is very logical and most members in Zambia are now enquiring on how they can get subscribed to this gallant trade union.
We know who is behind numsa rantings. We will expose him soon immediately the last info jets in by tomorrow.
Its illogical for PF’s Kaiser Zulu, Edgar’s best friend, to insult and assault CAF officials.
We are taking it to FIFA, Zambia should fined and suspended from Under 20 world cup.
This what NUMSA is telling Zambians, that State house is full of thugs.
Zambians never cease to amaze. Am appalled that most of you are agreeing to the behavior exhibited by this NUMSA. SA has gone to the D0GS. Most of their population is dirt poor and their president is a disgrace. And yet here you are as Zambians applauding NUMSA’s over reach!
NUMSA is not toothless like ZCTU, they know that a useless and poorly run Zambia will soon start sending exporting labor to South Africa,the best their doing is encourage other African nations to let their industries flourish without an hindrances, they don’t want South Africans to start competing for jobs with foreigners like what is happening in Zambia were you import Indians to come and operate a grader. ZCTU should be ashamed.
Uko!
LT reported that “Last week, Mr. Mwamba invited NUMSA to an engagement over the closure of the Post but in its response yesterday, NUMSA refused to avail itself, saying whatever Mr. Mwamba had written was politically motivated, rendering the proposed meeting baseless”~which applies to the blindfolded PF bandit Frank~less~Bwalya Chumbumushololwa.
Frank is scared of his own belly shadow. NUMSA, Commonwealth & SADC are freely offering checks & balance @ international level. This is what blinded PF bandits like Frank Chumbumushololwa fail to understand. Post employed over 2000 workers & now on the streets in this poor economy of load shedding caused by PF chauvinists.
How much is mealie meal today?
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Of course kano nga ni mwebo. Even PW Botha used to say “why doesn’t kaunda concentrate on the poverty of his people”. That’s a line advanced by tinpot dictators apartheid promoters the world over.
Stop for second from criticising NUMSA.
These guys in SA have thought of a brilliant plan that will make failing countries like Zim and Zam change methods of governing and improve lives of their citizens .
This move will stop Zambians and Zimbabweans from illegally migrating to SA, help will stop SA politicians from using Xenophobia as a scapegoat for the failure.
ZCTU should stop collecting people s money for nothing as it has proved to be a toothless union just looting peoples hard earned money.
PF shall pay dearly when get into power by the ballot or force if Lungu rigs the election again.
VIVA UPND.
@1.3 THAT IS THE STUP!D!TY OF SOME ZAMBIANS. ANYTHING FOREIGN TO THEM IS FANTASTIC. ESPECIALLY, THOSE WHO LOST THE SOCCER MUCH LAST YEAR. SURELY, HOW CAN ANY ONE SANE LET AN IDI0T ENCROACH IN THEIR BEDROOM AND START TEACHING THEM HOW TO HANDLE BEDROOM AFFAIRS AND YET THE ENCROACHER HASN’T EVEN GOT A BEDROOM. KARL IS JUST ONE MISGUIDED INDIVIDUAL WHO DOESN’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANY LAW. AND I EVEN WONDER WHY WE ARE WASTING OUR TIME ON THIS SIMPLEST ANIMAL IN SOCIETY. TAX LAWS, WHICH HIS IDOL HAS BEEN BREAKING FOR MANY YEARS IN PREFERENCE TO BUYING HIMSELF JAGUAR CARS AND LAVISH LIFE, MUST BE FOLLOWED WHETHER IT BE IN ZAMBIA OR SOUTH AFRICA. THERE ARE UNCOUNTABLE PROBLEMS IN S AFRICA THE CHAP SHOULD BE PRIORITISING INSTEAD OF WASTING HIS PAYMASTERS (WORKERS) MONEY ON ZAMBIA.
VIVA.
NUMSA must concentrate on the entrenched corruption permeating all facets of life in South African society. Not to mention the levels of poverty amongst the black majority. Not to mention the high levels of xenophobia. The list is endless about what’s not right in that country.
Didn’t Zambia do the same during the apartheid oppression? KK neglected the Zambian in order to save SA. What goes round, comes round
Plz Michael phiri shame on u hw cn u wnt 2 allow such thing in our country,cn u b allowd such thing in SA dey ve alot of prblms dey which dey an able to solve dem,sorry 4 u
Its very painful to hear the truth. When you live in a glass house and someone points out what is outside, you get shocked. Now ‘Fr’ Bwalya you realise that the PF’s dictatorial tendencies are not only being seen and felt by victimised Zambians but the outside world is watching and ready to speak out. I am sure it irks you that you can’t lock up the NUMSA leaders.
Numsa talked about the need for Press Freedom and how the Illegitimate Lungu is silencing the Media since the 2016 Disputed Election which have been Petitioned by HH &GBM. Lungu has been blocking the Hearing of the Petition and Lungu went to illegally inaugurate himself in power after committing numerous illegalities. Lungu refused to handover power to the Speaker to allow the Hearing of the Petition. In view of these illegalities Lungu is an illegitimate President who was not democratically,legally and Constitutionally elected and inaugurated. What does Frank Bwalya say about all these accussations and irregularities?
Ba my Zambia which leaders have been locked in Zambia? NUMSA’s refusal to engage the ambassador in South Africa is suspicious. It means they have other motives and agenda. The best they can do is pay the Post’s bills if it’s not too late maybe. Your witch hunter is just a manifestation of your bitterness because you failed to make government consequently couldn’t make your delusional cabinate. Ka muli senda
You do realise that PF is fond of arresting opposition party leaders. I am sure HH and GBM have spent nights in jail. Now Chishimba is being pursued by the ACC, ummm One Zambian, why do you think that is?
The rest of your comment shows me the calibre of person am dealing with. Definitely, not worth my time.
Us unionised members in Zambia are in the wilderness, can NUMSA come to our rescue please. Facts about NUMSA’s intervention.
1. Every one knows that Post employees have been thrown on the streets
2. Every one knows that Post issues have nothing got to do with tax issues
3. Reality is that unions are not talking for the Post in Zambia for reasons we all know
4. NUMSA is fully aware that the Post has never refused to pay its taxes, admittedly delayed
5. NUMSA is just extending its sympathy, it is already very active in SA and assisting the wind of change there
You cant engage people who do not argue intelligently as most South Africans. For them is violence. How can a normal South African organisation teach Zambians about ills in society. Most South Africans are so arrogant that they think they can teach well educated fellow Africans beyond their boarders. We can also advice them to improve on their poor education started, poor housing (imikuku), corrupt leaders and immoral behavior that show itself in xenophobia, racism and sex they do like sport.
Mr. NUMSA keep away from people that sheltered your forefathers in exile…learn to be grateful and respective for other Africans that considered as human beings when Whites treated you like dogs as they do to date!
Shut up, e kawa. What business did Kaunda have to support the liberation of other countries in Southern Africa? If you don’t know we live in an interconnected world. Do not broadcast your ignorance, Drank Walyalushi! I bet you have never heard of the term, ripple effect.
This is a wonderful opportunity for Zambians too teach South African Trade Unionists basic lessons in civic responsibility and the limits of international solidarity. The Civil Law at issue is straight forward. There is no need to ask for permission from South African Trade Unions to liquidate any non compliant companies in Zambia. The freedom of the Press can only be understood in a given context. What is libelous in South Africa is not automatically libelous in the Zambia. Similarly, the failure to settle tax dues must be contextualized. It would have been more appropriate for South African Trade Unions to lend money to the poor local media house when the matter came to court. Now it is time to conduct liquidation due to insolvency. This is Zambian way of settling tax dues. In the case…
Well spoken Bwalya. This useless NUMSA is a shame to South Africans who are facing many problems which they have failed to solve. Now just because they were stealing with Mumembe they have courage to open their stinking mouths against Zambia. Shame on them.
NUMSA is useless look at the rot in south Africa scandals after scandals,and the are very corrupt.they have no business telling us what to do
LET THEM CONCENTRATE ON REHABILITATING THE PRIVATE NKHANDLA HOME FOR ZUMA USING PUBLIC FUNDS INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT ISSUES THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND.
Kiki and we have zambians supporting this retard of numsa. These 1diots were busy killing blacks saying they don’t want foreigners while embracing a white man. Kiki. Their country is full of crime such that you can’t withdraw money on atm or count liquid money in public like in Zambia. The white man built infrastructure which is now being destroyed. I for one can’t learn from th÷se retards.
This retard of labour leader got his qualifications through black empowerment. And bitter Zambians are clapping for him thinking their political misfortune will evaporate. The labour movement in SA are appendices of the ruling ANC; a hangover from apartheid. How do you compare this NUMSA which has a formal agreement with the ruling party with our labour movement which are independent, at least on paper.
The Post was closed despite Tax Appeals Committee apealling to both parties to iron out the difference but PF through ZRA never listened to Post side
Tax appeals came in after supreme court has passed judgement. You don’t even follow events and yet you want to sound sensible. You can only manage to deceive your fellow dull retards in upnd not us. It doesn’t hurt to do personal researches. I encourage all you fellows to research b4 you post your Shiite.
Oval Head, since you claim to follow, the Superme Court ruled on another tax dispute relating to the post and zra and not the specific one that was in the Tax Appeal- the Registrar is not an imbecile like you to have given a judgment over a matter that the higher ourt had dispensed with. Why are you Zambians so gullible kanshi?
Very useless . Go and advise Mugabe, where there are problems. Here in Zambia twakana.
Only a foo.l will even take this NUMSA seriously . What is their interest in the Post? We had miners being retrenched on the copper belt and these moro.ns did not say a a word. Zambians do not be fooled by these crooks. We will deal with our problems internally. Let that retard go and sort out issues like SASSA grants, SABC corruptions, PRASA scandals etc……. South African companies are enjoying doing business in Zambia and will NOT tolerate such messages.
If NUMSS was in Zambia, the cadres would have been on the streets demanding closure and deregistration of NUMSA. Alas, these are freedom fighters and are no match to … who have turned Zambians into easy prey. Zambians did it for South Africans. Why should anyone condemn the return of a good favor by South Africans? We need to tread softly on this matter. We have brothers and sisters resident in SA. We also frequent SA. Let’s not inflame passions please! When people voice concerns about whatever wrong we are doing, why can’t we be humble enough and admit when we know we’re wrong? If I were PF, I would ban all cadres from commenting on this sensitive matter. I would then organize a formal meeting through our SA office and resolve this matter amicably! Heed your neighbor’s advice!…
Yes you are a Real Quack.
Do you think Zambia’s independence was given on a silver platter?
Do you know what we went through?
A company owes the country $6.5 dollars and you want to support a foreign Labour union, which is not relevant in its own country, in protecting the interests of that defaughter.
We ask you to ask the so called Numsa to pay Zambia $6.5 million on behalf of the Post or just shut up
@ zam@52
Can you please clarify the difference between company owing the Country US$ 6.5 million and Government stealing from the Country US$ 6.5 BILLION?
The very fact that they are making headlines and drawing a lot of reaction both for and against means they are a very vibrant union. I cant remember when last our ZCTU and FFTUZ last stimulated such debate. Even after 37 of their members were “retired” in national interest – they are ndwiii!
@18 TO YOU MAKING HEADLINES MEANS VIBRANCY. XENOPHOBIA WAS MAKING AND STILL MAKES HEADLINES- OBVIOUSLY TO YOU THAT IS VIBRANCY. WHAT A RETARD YOU ARE!
What will happen when the old man dies Asked Bana Nono ????
The glue that will holding the PF together is no more
Let Numsa speck out for the voiceless in Zambia
Our country is in a mess
You can only help a person that has accepted hey have a problem.
Exactly the point. A lot of Zambians can go for days without a meal even to a point sh.iting water but will still sing praises to PF. Indeed you cannot help them even when they live in this extreme poverty.
Numsa please focus on addressing your own issues! I’ve never ever heard of Numsa condemning the xenophobic attacks in SA! Your own country has been labelled a TimeBomb by your own white citizens there who complain of being victimized and targeted by bitter and frustrated thugs. Why don’t you address those issues? But you can’t because you Numsa are just another black elite grouping that is only interested in their own agenda of which someone within your own rank and file has an interest both in the Post by virtue of being a close contact of a tax embezzler and con man by the name of Fred M’membe.
HAS NUMSA CHANGED ITS NAME TO NUMZA? THE INITIALS OF THE THERE NAME CLEARLY SPELL OUT THE LIMITS TO THEIR MANDATE. WHY IS EMMANUEL MWAMBA EVEN WASTING GOVERNMENT TIME CALLING THEM. SOUTH AFRICAN ARE SENSELESS, THEY THINK THEY OWN AFRICA WHEN THEY ARE THE MOST USELESS IN EVERY THINGH IN AFRICA.
I am Glad that Fr. Bwalya was not emotional because he would have said things like ” just deal with you xenophobia and the crime and the corruption…… yeah and your marikana “. he was diplomatic. I hold not position of power so imwe ba NUMSA ” just deal with you xenophobia and the crime and the corruption…… yeah and your marikana “. (_I_)
@21 LE Zambien, YOU MADE ME LOUGH, MAN. AT LEAST I CAME ACROSS A BLOGGER WITH SOME SENSE OF HUMOUR. NOT BA UPND WHO JUST BITTER IN EVERYTHING AND ALL THE THINGS THROUGH AND THROUGH. I DON’T KNOW EFYO BALALA NABAKASHI BABO WITH COLD STONE FACES LIKE THEIR LEADER. NO SMILE AT ALL. LIFE KUSEKAKO FIRST AND THEN YOU START ASKING FOR FIMO FIMO FROM YOUR WIFE.
Guys, we need NUMSA please. They have validly looked at the issue at hand. You must be a dead person to believe that the Post was closed because of tax. How many companies owe tax and not closed, And in any case the Post never refused to pay tax. This free help from Numsa should be appreciated, at this juncture , any help from anywhere should be appreciated, regardless of where it is coming from. We cant continue with dead polarised public newspapers where anything a minister says is news no matter how hollow
The agenda that NUMSA is advocating in South Africa seems to clandestinely save the interests of supporters of apartheid in the past regime. Calling for boycotting of trade with Zambia is a ploy to ruin South Africa’s economic lifelines to enhance regime change that will restore white supremacy in that country. South Africa is linked to the Congo DR through its fleets of tracks that traverse through Zambia. Besides, two dams constructed on the Congo River are called Inga I and Inga II, have attracted the attention of ESKOM, a South African state-owned power company that has expressed an interest to increase generating capacity of Inga by building an additional dam expected to yield up to 40 gigawatts of electricity for export to South Africa. If this project is realized, through which…
NUMSA should Concentrate on fighting xenophobia in SA . These are internal affairs within our jurisdiction. The post abrogated the law by not paying tax. Lets not politicize this issue. This is a classical example of what should done to anyone evading tax.
If the proposed additional Inga Dam hydroelectric project in Congo DR, which is expected to yield 40 gigawatts of electricity for export to South Africa is realized, through which country will the power lines pass to reach South Africa? NUMSA’s political tentacles being projected to foreign states will damage South Africa’s chances of networking with other states in the SADC region. Does NUMSA know that South Africa is importing power from the Zambezi River in Mozambique? Is NUMSA burying its head in the sand to the fact that South Africa is importing water from Katse Dam in Lesotho. This time around the DA and EFF must lecture to NUMSA on matters that involve international trade being promoted in the SADC Region.
THIS GUY IS A JOKER. IN SOUTH AFRICA DEMONSTRATERS ARE SHOT WITH LIVE BOOLETS AND NOT BLANKS AND MOST OF THE DEMONSTRATERS ARE BLACKS. WASN’T IT IN, “south african mine workers shot dead during demo 2015”?
@ Peter
Whilst in Zambia female demonstrators are striped naked and shoot in the back?
Zambians never cease to amaze. Am appalled that most of you are agreeing to the behavior exhibited by this NUMSA. SA has gone to the D0GS. Most of their population is dirt poor and their president is a disgrace. And yet here you are as Zambians applauding NUMSA’s over reach!
only naive stupid zambians support this numsa shiit, who does numsa think they are to start commenting on another state? idiocy and dullness can be a very big problem, and i have witnessed this first hand, some south africans are so lazy to think that they just yap anyhow, in this case its this stupid numsa guy n i dont think this is a numsa collective view but the few stupid beings who have access to commenting shiit through the organisation.
numsa this isnt some skwartta camp somewhere near your offices, we…
And who are you to call anybody “naive stupid zambians”?!?
Wash your filthy mouth with JIK before yapping senselessly.
ba numsa bakula mutu, they r bored and hungry, no numsa Zambia isnt going to give you RDP or Grand money in ur old age stupid cloet, leave us alone and try to mind your own business, i know with your type its difficult but try.
post must and will pay tax or must be liqidated as per process if numsa want they can go hang, amin SA and i pay my tax and i employee over 15 south africans, so dont grow big headed numsa u r a kapenta in a river
We need to forge strong links with organisations that care about our country like NUMSA. This is the only voice of reason that we have for now. Those stoogies condemning NUMSA will join us at some point.
Let’s come together and ensure NUMSA is registered in Zambia, to replace walking corpse trade unions that we have
kimatala, u r jst another *****, u r the fools that believe as zambians we cant manage ourselves, iwe u cant see that mmembe is owing us tax? let him pay and then you can support numsa yobe stchopeti
usually women make sense nomba uyu chipuba ati joyce, awe sure.
so naimwe ati mwalanda wanting numsa to come ku zambia, and wat will it be called now, numsa-za or numza?
kwena ulikapuba ala, mmembe must pay n the rest will be history simple or ask numsa-za(numza) to help fred pay n u n numsa can burk all you want n we’ll listen n throw u a bone
In fact the average black Zambian is way better off than most black South Africans. SA, even with all it’s rich resources, the indigenous citizens are barely included in the share of the wealth created. Better NUMSA, worry about why Commonwealth Games were pulled out of Durban than bellyache over their ordered neighbours affairs.
Even if all the 14 million Zambian were to be poor SA 30 million South African’s will still be too much. Tinned houses and bucket toilet. We last saw that I Chibolya.
Let’s face it. SA is more democratic than Zambia despite Zambia being the midwife of today’s SA.
If a Zambian politician behaved like malema would he still be a free man? Look at how many demonstrations take place in SA! How many demonstrators are tear gassed and locked up? None.
Do we have a trade union in Zambia? No. The minister has said so, be it not using the same words.
Sleep well Zambians until you wake up politically
You seem to be writing from another planet. Do you know that Malema was stripped of his assets because of non payment of Tax? And NuMSA was still there? Do you know that news papers in South Africa write the truth most of the time? Do you know that journalists in South Africa are mostly journalists and not politicians like your Mmembe in Zambia. Do you know that Journalists in Zambia do not bootlick politicians to get favours for their tax evasion? In contrast your Mmembe went in the corridors of power to look for favours. Did you know that Mmembe said ” PF was the best Govt” check the archives of the post news paper. Did you know that Mmembe has political henchmenwho ran away to South Africa during chiluba’s rule? Ask your friends where the likes of Hazwell are?? Trade unionism does…
… Does not mean hooliganism. We need credible independent media not manipulators. Their interest is not freedom of the media it is a war for their own narrow interests period. The cartel network of Mmembe is very well known. If ECL had made Mmembe to go to sttate house today ECL would have been the best leadr ever in the Past News paper, but ECL decided to break the cartel trail. This is is what we see. The people who ran away during FTJ’s rule are Mmembe’s friends and some are in South Africa pulling strings and are still bitter because they where planning evil for the country.
I don’t like this man, he is a hypocrite.
I hate this gay called frank Bwalya. I f Sata was here today would have starved to death
Antichrist Bwalya, before commenting on Post Tax issues, can you please disclose your own Tax Returns from 2010/2011 up to 31/12/2016. Let us see how you have complied with your Tax obligations.
Who loses if NUMSA influenced the RSA government to impose a trade embargo on Zambia, (Which I doubt would happen) . My wife’s cousin a miner in RSA has just come for his holidays and I asked him about the closure of the Post. He told me that they still post letters through the post and he was not a ware of any post office that was closed. I explained to him that I was referring to a newspaper but he insisted that you can still get your newspaper through the post. I gave up.
I repeat, whatever this guy’s intestinal problems are, he is s(?)itting on the wrong pan…!
*the NUMSA guy, that is…
DISSOLVE NUMSA IF YOU HAVE EXHAUSTED WHAT YOU ARE DOING IN SA AND ENCOURAGE YOUR COUNTERPARTS IN ZAMBIA TO FORM ONE. CONCENTRATE ON RESOLVING ISSUES OF KILLINGS THAT HAPPEN IN SA EVERYDAY. LET ME REMIND YOU, IN FACT SA HAS A BAD RECORD IN THE WORLD THAN ZAMBIA.
ALL those opposed to NUMSA are ignorant PF cardres like Ambasador Mwamba. In SA Trade union , Judiciary , Executive for example are very independent while in Zambia Lungu CONTROLS all institutions from unions, NGO, Police concort Name it.
SHAME ZAMBIAN WAKE UP. Chiluba tried to wake you up but it seems you have gone to sleep in terms of democratic principles.
Good lord God almighty, this fatherless creation of yours is wholly aesthetically so unpleasant to the eye! Just how could someone be so physically repulsive! Thanks God this baboon is fatherless because these are not the kind of facial appreances you would want one to bequest their children, it otherwise gives credence to the notion that people are descended from apes because look at him, bushe te gorilla Harambee in the Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Garden we are seeing here! This chap is bad seed, he needs to be put down.