LUSAKA lawyer Tutwa Ngulube says if the opposition UPND is serious with dialogue it should withdraw the proposed impeachment motion.
And former Minister of Water Development and Sanitation Protection Loyd Kaziya says it was wishful thinking for the opposition to assume he would join forces with them adding that his loyalty was with President Lungu and would never betray him.
And Mr Ngulube who is also Kabwe Central Member of Parliament says the impeachment motion is bound to fail because the opposition has no numbers in Parliament.
Reacting in interview with ZNBC Yesterday to claims by UPND that there PF MPs that may vote in favor of the impeachment motion, Mr Ngulube said that those who care to read the Constitution will note that there is nothing wrong that the President had done to warrant the motion.
“There is a dialogue process between the PF, the UPND and all these opposition political parties. So the presentation of the impeachment motion to Parliament is an attack on the dialogue process so we wish to urge the Members of Parliament that have presented the petition (motion) to withdraw it and commit themselves to the dialogue process. Because for now I do not think the presentation of the petition was done in good faith, ” Said Mr Ngulube
“And secondly, I don’t think the President has committed any offense for which Parliament can be called to investigate.”
And Matero Member of Parliament Kaziya says the fact that he was dropped as a cabinet minister should not be misconstrued as being deviant to the norms and values of the party, PF.
He was reacting to social media comments associating him with the impeachment against President Lungu.
“Please ignore the insinuation going round on Social media associating me with the impeachment vote against my boss. Everyone knows where I place my loyalty. Im a very committed PF member and will not betray my trust to my President. I Lloyd Mulenga Kaziya will always pay my royalty to my President His Excellence Mr Edgar Chagwa Lungu,” Said Hon Kaziya
” Being dropped as CABINET Minister should not be misconstrued as being deviant to the norms and values of my party PF. I will remain PF and will deliver in Matero. It’s wishful thinking to assume I will join forces with opposition.”
Meanwhile, State House has stated that an impeachment motion against President Lungu which the UPND has taken to Parliament will not succeed because they do not have enough members in the house.
And President lungu said the impeachment motion had potential to jeopardize dialogue between the ruling party and the opposition which is being facilitated by the Commonwealth
Presidential Spokesperson Amos Chanda told journalists on Friday that President Edgar Chagwa Lungu was not bothered by the action of the opposition UPND because he knows it will not succeed.
Impeachment is a matter of holding the President accountable and nothing to do with the dialogue process. Surely should accountability of the President now be linked to dialogue. The fact is President Lungu has been violating the constitution left, right and centre. As a PF member myself, its quite disheartening at the poor governance of the country and lack of concern for the poor by the current PF Government. I disagree with my party that we should support President Lungu at all costs even when we can clearly see that he is leading us on the wrong path. The impeachment motion by UPND whilst it might not succeed is the clearest way to let President Lungu kno that if he does not change his governance style unfortunately prosecution will follow him!
When a blind man says ‘i will stone you, it means that he is stepping on a stone’. however, some blind party has got no stones to step on in this case. The one with sight will instead stone the blind!
Tutwa Ngulube should be made to understand that dialogue was necessitated as a result of disputed election and violence that was perpetuated by the PF. Impeachment has been initiated follwing lack of leadership by Mr Lungu for example encouraging corruption ( uubombomba mwibala alya mwibala, Lungu,2018). Fake promises to win elections eg Fake reopening of Mulungushi Textiles. Thirdly, bringing the economy to the knees due to inconsistentce and poor policies. Corruption is Lungu administration is so rampant that few thieves in PF share the national cake while the poor clap and ululate for their oppressors at airports. What dialogue bwana Ngulube with little or no attention to those concerns?
I really don’t feel sorry for the people of Kabwe. Every election year, a politician just goes and stands by the gate of Mulungushi textiles and says, I will open this thing when you vote for me, and they vote. The trick is just to go and stand by the gate of Mulungushi textiles and make a prounccement. And now the MP for Kabwe instead of pushing for opening of Mulungushi textile, he is unnecessarily busy prophesising on what is going to happen to the impeachment motion.
@Kabs I concur with you. This is where Zambians get it wrong. The man has violated the constitution, we just talk and not act. He should be held accountable. The opposition should take this matter seriously because it’s not about Lungu as an individual, but authority matrix/policies. In Zambia, it’s like Changwa would kill and these so call MPs will foolishly laugh over it. That’s not the leadership we want.
I once thought this boy was intelligent but then again he is a zambian lawyer and zambian lawyers are……………….just like. ………………..lungu is a……………….
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I reiterate, the so called impeachment motion filling is frivolous. A useless academic exercise in futility by a legion of mindless provocateurs. Its been Brought In Dead as it lacks temerity, moral turpitude, constitutional basis not to mention nominal or ordinal data to hold. It cannot move an inch beyond the Parliamentary opinion drop-box. Such is the danger of personality cult leadership facing UPND now alien to objective political antics. Efforts to play aberrationist politics of detracting President Lungu from unlocking the country on many fronts is perilous to the existence of UPND in a democracy of alternatives. God bless Zambia under the leadership of his servant leader Chagwa.
This idi0t doesn’t know what he wants..Chibwi wafwile tangalilo, it is what he is!!!
But the dialogue process is also another way of perfecting the constitution. Stop shooting yourselves in the leg when you know you need both legs to walk. Choose one, impeachment or the dialogue process because both are same residues of the constitution which you are trying to overlook. The problem with UPND supporters is emotionalism in debating issues.
Sometimes I dont understand how the whole UPND cannot think beyond removing Edger Lungu. Are there no party think tanks in UPND. If I were them I would drop a none issue, where I know I cant win, but concentrate in one where Edger can bend toUPND favor. Now you are giving him ammunition, to say take one or leave me alone. HH must have strategist. Thats the problem of surrounding yourself with people like GBM. Our party was not like that during Mazokas time, he valued intellectual debate. Going to parliament is using shortcut and it cant work.
And third term petition to Concourt by hungry mongrels and Constitutional amendments are encouraging aspects?
Mr. Ngulube, I thought you are intelligent? Instead another big arse as the mouth coupled to pea-size crap instead of brain.
You are the one who is dull here not Tutwa Ngulube. Do you know what are the contents of the dialogue process? Because they talk about perfecting the constitution. Go and tell HH, to say we choose one, either the dialogue process or impeachment. You cant have both, when they are all saying about perfecting it.
Trying to reason with Hichilema is a waste of time, leave him we see how far he’ll go. So let’s leave the UPND to their own devices, we wish them well
If the PF rats are sure the impeachment process will fail and has no consequence and no one cares why are they all yapping like drugged kaponyas ?
Because it is an academic exercise devoid of intellect.
Tutwa, you disappoint many of us people that looked on you as one of the reasonable people and intelligent as well in the PF party. What has the impeachment got to do with dialogue? It is the constitutional right for the UPND to impeach the president if they find him wanting on the governance of the country. I have given you a lot of respect on your fair thinking but on this one you are actually blackmailing the UPND. Many Zambians want answers as to the strange happenings under the PF rule. Think please as this is going to affect our children. Zambia today is not the same sane country we once knew, it is like the story animal farm.
Tutwa started like he was a representative of people. It is too soon for Tutwa Ngulube to forget his people in Kabwe whom he promised to improve the lives. Soon after being summoned by Davies Mwila to deliver a message from one Edgar Lungu, he has since abandoned his people. Tutwa can nolonger see the dilapidated Mulungushi Textile that president Lungu opened and created fake jobs. Tutwa, what were you given since its not ministerial post? Who are you siding with, Kabwe people or president Lungu who faked reopening of textiles to win Kabwe votes? Ba Kabwe mwalishipula 2021 will soon come and you will still feed on fake promises and vote Lungu and Tutwa.
Tutwa Ngulube is just being realistic. I have found him to be an objective person who has attacked his own party when he observed shortcomings in it. He is a person who doesn’t believe in blind royalty like some of the people who are criticizing him. If you are objective you will realize that the petition has no merit.
The whole impeachment talk is a farcical charade exciting egos of perennial political specialists in failure!Just like they failed their impeachments against Mwananwasa and Banda, so shall this current egotists dream fade away- much ado about nothing!
Let’s wait. Why should it worry you if the impeachment fails. After all they are following constitutional provisions by asking for impeachment. There is no offence here. Just be good and start praying and fasting for your man
I’m not pro UPND but if you’re clean & pure as snow then Ngulube & PF should be in favour of the motion it will prove Lungu’s innocence .
Dialogue talk spear headed by Prof Gambari is a sham! The commonwealth ought to have better fish to fry than meddle in petty political squabbles! Surely, the world is replete with many thorny issues which require their attention than bend to fantasies of political hotheads who are bleating about past losses- what a waste of time!
To start with I don’t belong to the opposition parties, but I want to state that impeachment proceedings have nothing to do with the on going dialogue discussions. Should democracy and constitutional proceedings be halted because of the impending dialogue,a big no. The constitutional proceedings should continue, the impeachment motion is a constitutional provision which must never be suspended because of some dialogue process which parties are embarking on. What has impeachment got to do with a complete separate issue of dialogue. Some of these people, how on earth do they qualify to be lawyers
Misheck, why are you exhibiting dullness here. Every social setting has rules. Its like you want to marry a young woman, and she knows you have another loose girlfriend elsewhere, there is nothing wrong with her telling you marry me on condition that we go to my parents to discuss our marriage and please, drop the other girl completely. You can not say our constitution of Zambia has stated freedom of association.
What the dull lawyer is saying is that each time there is an impeachment motion, dialogue of any sort in the country must be halted and vice versa. Really beyond comprehension
That’s PF for you everything the want to put conditions ….last year it was recognizing him…they are as useless as the main opposition party.
The idea is not for the impeachment to succeed or fail; the idea is to give maximum exposure to what will be aired to the public – and mind you, true or false a lot of deduction and inference will be made of whatever “detailed reasons” will be given. Take heed… stop talking about numbers – that is NOT the issue here.
It appears there are bloggers who understand the impeachment process and the benefits it will bring to the general public even though its clear that at voting stage it will still favour PF. Therefore its good those who understand this process to educate us. Personally I don’t but reading through the postings it appears that the process involves highlighting corruption activities with evidence to compel the speaker call for a vote. If the process would benefit the nation its good that parliament goes through it but the speaker needs to be alert just to avoid turmoil in the nation. Otherwise no matter how you look at it if you are suppose to reconcile with someone over a car accident but you take them to court over unpaid debt, you definitely lose their trust.
We are surprised that the executive and the Pf, though saying the motion is bound to fail are spending a lot of time and resources talking about what they term a non starter. How can something that does not bother the president and doomed to fail attract so much attention from the executive. How can a doomed process affect the dialogue process. If indeed Pf has the numbers the best is just wait for the motion in parliament and defeat it there and then. This talk, means there are people who are scared and not sure. The motion is not against Pf but the president. Even if the president is impeached Pf will remain in power. So the Pf should not worry.
Oval head HH l thought we had agreed that ECL was not the Republican President and that’s how the petition. Who do you want your boys to impeach?
The one incharge of stealing and looting….
For some reason we have a new plan for Kabwe we are putting a sugar plantation in lukanga swamps with a petrol and diesel refinery which will create thousands of jobs this some plantation is coming with a new city
Well done Honourable Kaziya for distancing yourself. As Zambians we are 100% opposed to impeachment stupidity. A normal person can’t follow this bunch of MPs who are led by nothing but shear jealousy, envy, bitterness, hatred and smear campaign against a popularly elected President to just satisfy the shameful and *****ic ego of one person! To enter State House, it is not impeachment of a popularly elected leader but to face the ballot. Please no backdoor! No short cut into State House! Zambia has never witnessed such a desperate character who is capable of doing anything.
Nevertheless, just go ahead and you will prove how much Zambians love this man. Ndakwambila!
Impeachment! For what reason? As Zambians we say No! We love our President so much and he has done nothing wrong to warrant impeachment.
WOW!!!
A message from distant galaxy called Imbecilitus has been signed by Miyoba
Well done Honourable Kaziya to distance yourself. As Zambians we are 100% opposed to impeachment as it is born out of nothing but shear jealousy, envy, bitterness, hatred and smear campaign against a popularly elected President to just satisfy the shameful ego of one person! To enter State House, it is not impeachment of a popularly elected leader but to face the ballot.
Please no backdoor! No short cut into State House!
Nevertheless, go ahead and you will prove how much Zambians love this man. Ndakwambila!
Arguing with little or no knowledge is laughable. If by some miracle the UPND motion goes through this stage it doesn’t mean that ECL stands impeached. What follows is the Speaker writing to the Chief Justice to constitute a tribunal to investigate those charges and Edgar will be given an opportunity to defend himself. This process can’t be concluded within this year. So Tutwa knows what he’s talking about. Besides, the motion has no chance of even going beyond Kambwili seconding Nkombo. So whose time is Hichilema trying to waste?
Okay, it’s true that when that time comes in 2026, President Lungu will surely leave State House and his credible successor in PF, and what we are all very certain about is HH will never be President of Zambia. Just go back in Zambia’ s history on how people become Presidents, it’s not by coersion of people or dubious means as exhibited by HH and UPND. The chap is lethal and dangerous than meets the eye because in fact he auctioned Zambia to his fellow crooks in 2015 because he never expected President Lungu, a new comer to defeat him hence this hatred and rage on PF and President Lungu.
Can you please clarify how past and present President have come to power?
And, if you do not mind, how they managed to stay in power?
Thank you in advance for your intellectual response
Impeachment and dialogue are completely separate animals this guy is just trying to stop a legal process using some unrelated political tool. Clever maybe ,but its politically deceitful.
21.1 Born free above. In Zambia president come in three ways. Get all the rural vote and loose one urban, then you are president. One urban I mean lest say loose Lusaka but get the copperbelt. Or win all the urban Lusaka and copper-belt plus your strong hold. And thirdly get all rural and urban even if you loose one province where a particular candidate comes from then you are president. So far only two president out 7 we have had fulfilled the last bench mark. It only happens during a revolution. Only Kaunda, the independence president and Chiluba the multiparty president did score the last condition. Going by the population in Zambia, it is impossible for HH to win presidency if the two most populace provinces don’t back him up. Even if Kabwili can form a political part, he is just…
These guys are having sleepless nights, they know though the motion might fail it is going to sow a seed that is going to germinate in ECL being forced out. PF numbers are not happy just like suffering pf cadres who have been forgotten by their mighty leader. The way ECL is selling our country and sidelining Zambians this is going to make people take a serious look at this to prevent all of us from being sold
China, please have facts, president Lungu has not sold any piece of Zambia to Chinese. Chinese are everywhere including in the US where you are writing from. Stop demonizing your leaders. Lets criticize were it is necessary. Which country to day can do without Chinese. Its even better to have Chinese at least they are not like the western world who just bring in Eurobonds without living infrastructure. Even if HH wins I doubt it if he will let Chinese go. HH is a Zambian like Edger Lungu, never think they do not meet and talk, they do.
Time is the be best judge !