The government says it has yet to establish the country in which fugitive former intelligence chief – Xavier Chungu is.
Attorney General, Mumba Malila told ZNBC news that this is why the former spy-master has not been brought back to face charges.
However, the Attorney General said government has made significant progress in recovering plundered resources from former Zambia’s Ambassador to the United States Attan Shansonga.
Mr. Malila said significant progress has also been made in recovering resources from his accomplices cited in the plunder of national resources.
He said it has been difficult to extradite Mr. Shansonga from United Kingdom – UK where he has taken refugee because Zambia and the UK do not have an extradiction treaty.
On extraditing the former former Intelligence Chief, Mr. Malila said once it is established that he is in a country that has an extradiction treaty with Zambia, Mr. Chungu will be brought back.
Mr. Shansonga and Mr. Chungu fled the country a few years ago after being linked to plunder of national resources.
Some people know where this fool is, ask his immediate family and friends they know where he is. He owe Zambia millions.
Hes’ a former chief shushushu. So he knows where best to hid himself. They could even be together with Shansonga in UK and chilling with Judge Smith.
Right in your back yard A$$ holes
XFC is a brother we worked with for many years in tenuous situations in best national interest.Not everything he did was evil.That job is ever challenging.Don’t need accountability to anyone.At every level & rank one needs a briefcase full of blank checks to stay ahead of situations.Anywhere in the world experts have to have supply lines of endless undeclared blank checks.It’s unerhical for the brotherhood to betray the’re own & the calling. Politics aside,XFC’s where about will remain a protected interest by sister organizations.Experts must not budge to political & public pressure.That profession is one of the toughest,its survival rests on the oath made never to compromise it.
Let the political orchestra continue doing its thing while experts laugh in their situational rooms, operational theaters, cars and secluded clubs.Democracy does not mean destroying what make it thrive. Politicians and the public don’t know the behind the scenes moves that greets them peace every new day they work up. It is the most expensive undertaking morally and resource wise.Never will it ever happen anywhere in the world for the brotherhood to serve under the discretion of some regulatory body. It is unethical to declare or share internal needs or operational costs. Internal mechanisms are suppose to melt the punishment themselves & not the open society.
they wake up to
It is unbelievable to be told that we can’t find him. What is Interpol there for? Do we subscribe to it? If so, let’s make use of it. I am sure for as long as he crosses borders, he can be fished out if we are serious about it. Probably we need to pin his image on Bulletine Boards in suspected countries of residence. Let’s play his game by applying finger print bio-metrics. Get hold of his finger print and pass it on to other intelligence agencies for database search. He qualifies to be on the most wanted list.
Interpol has the morality to preserve the profession. They know how challenging a job that is because that is what they are too.
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King Cobra spits at his reconciliation critics.
Patriotic Front president Michael Sata yesterday said many people have in the past six years used his differences with President Levy Mwanawasa to enrich themselves.
There is peace in the country, region, KK is more useful on humanitarian causes benefiting the world now than being a UNIP party leader.The Islamic party that was shaping up in Lusaka East and Makeni in the mid 90s is despited.
So, you don’t know where he is? Who are you cheating? If you don’t at least Judge Smith knows and you can ask him as he was given all the records of alleged thieves which enabled him make a judgement.
Who are you kidding? you are the ones hiding him
What a lame excuse. Is Zambia not a member of interpol. And why the hell dont we have an extradition treaty with the UK? At least now i know where to stash my loot and enjoy it peacefully
i guess i have another clone going by the same Muzungu name. well i just have to dump the name and move forward. so bloggmates there is a new Muzungu so kindly support him as he seems to have an appetite for long and boring articles.
This AG is lying through his teeth. He knows that the OP and LPM know where thugs Chungu and Shansonga are. Zambia was quick to send / deport that Indian terrorist to UK who ran to Zambia after the London bombings a few years ago. No on spoke about the extradition treaty between Zambia and UK then. LPM, being the chief lawyer, was at the top of the fast shipment of this thug.
Chungu and Shansonga are being protected by LPM and his goons.
Find better things to do. Chungu committed no criminal offense his operative roles.Systems anywhere in the world conceal their projects, budgets and contacts. Does it mean we were expecting him to be documenting operational costs for public scrutiny? How many service undercover companies did UNIP come up and left of which until today millions of Zambians are either clueless or believe those companies are privately owned though working for them.That field is a mystery field.I believe Chungu is safe & well with sister organizations.I beat you his colleagues will never ever compromise his safety.GRZ has already recovered whatever he got. There is no need for his blood for mob justice.
The government know, where he is. I fact his escape was on condition that he spills the beans on FTJ.
If protection of Chungu is in institutional, and best national interest its cool.
Getting Chungu in has no logic after all these recoveries and useful leads that has resulted in the whopping ZK63 Billion back into the national treasury.
# 17. Justice Maximus Mukobeko
We might as well forget and accept all corruption by OP and police officers.
Setting president is the the way forward.
There is no basis for the OOP to get involved in corruption. Corruption over what and against whom? Operations are not acts of corruption. Since you are a self declared so called shushushu unethical as you do it, you should know better than us how those institutions operate world wide and how much their operations cost.
What i mean is that while the Police get involved in corruption by virtue of their exposed vulnerability, you the so called shushushu are ever mysterious people. You are the invisible ones who never engage in open social fallouts to be corrupted or approached for corruptive favors.You have the means to an end, but people think you are just kaponyas or struggling comedians like them. Your office & work hours are not known. corruption for what?
OK, naya mukukungala umusalu ku ma farm ku kapili Mposhi for resell in our local market.
later
Govt still don’t know why they’re there anyway.
justice,
no one is interested in the secrets of the service,it is there to serve the national interest.However,this does not mean that secrecy should be used to steal public resources.The service is full of men & women of integrity whose joy is to serve the security needs of this country.However some individuals took advantage of the secrecy bestalled on the work of the service to steal from Zambians and thus put the name of the service to ridicule.SHAME ON THEM!!
EVERYONE IN ZAMBIAN GOVNT IS EITHER A THUG OR THIEF. SO THESE FOOLS KNOW WHERE THIS MOTHERFU@KER IS. THEY SHOULD ALL BE PUT IN JAIL.
# 20. Justice Maximus Mukobeko
Plundering/stealing. That man abused Goverment monies for peronal gain. What is there to stop OP officers staeling ?, They are human after all. Especially if you don’t want thier former chief to face up to staeling..
lets set examples
Imwe take heed of this msg:
16. Shidada, Windhoek, Namibia says: Jun 5th, 2008 at 9:25 am
The government know, where he is. I fact his escape was on condition that he spills the beans on FTJ.
Cha Cha Cha # 24,
How do you know that the expenses made were not on operations but theft? Example would be buying a farm, house, car, life time full scholarship till highest level of potential in academics to someone who is an institutional asset in disguise.Do the responsible parties need to seek clearance or document such commitments for outsiders’ review? How do you distinguish such? Aren’t operations suppose to be covert?
That is not a police or any other open air outfit. It is a secret institution whose ops are meant to be “TOP SECRET” revelation of its acts or its outfits is treasonable with a jail term service not less than 25 years hard labor.
ZAMBIAN GOVNT IS MICKEY MOUSE OPERATIONS, DISNEY IS LOOKING FOR PEOPLE LIKE ZAMBIAN MINISTERS TO FILL UP OPEN POSITIONS. ZAMBIAN GOVNT IS OPERATED LIKE OLD MAN’S WORK SHOP
i know where shansonga is, i saw him the other day looking very shifty. should i tell?
Chungu, should be brought to book, there is no state secrets in stealing money, it has nothing to do with national interests. What secrets do you have anyway, when that little fool, Chiluba disclosed the tunnels?
PEOPLE OF ZAMBIA STAND UP AND TELL THIS ***** AND SELFISH CHUNGU THAT WHAT HE DID WAS WRONG. ZAMBIA IS LACKING DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE OF THESE FOOLS. PUT THEM ALL AT MUKOBEKO PRISON FOR LIFE. HE IS HIDIND HE BELONGS TO MUKOBEKO PRISON ANYWAY.
Let these fools come back to their homeland. Why are they running away? Is it for the benefit of our nation that these thugs are away from home. They definately have a case to answer with zayelo for cursing millions with hunger.
I seriously believe that the charge against chungu is theft by public servant. For the illiterate that means that inspite of what his official covert job was , he without authority misused public funds to enrich himself. Nowhere in the oath that a counterintelligence or intelligence officer is he given licence to plunder. There is no defence for that. Buying stuff for yourself and family doesnot have a thing to do with national security or public interest. I therefore recommend the maximum sentence for the spymaster! My father served his country for 30years honourably, and was pushed out because he never bootlicked or condoned corruption. How many can vouch for this fool.
“Govt still don’t Know the Whereabouts of Chungu” … should probably read “Govt still doesn’t Know the Whereabouts of Chungu”
#36 i think you’re right, i had a good laugh though
Chungu has refugee status in Canada and the government knows that, they also knows he frequently travels to Europe, SA and DRC. Canadians do not give up or acknowledge the presense refugees unless they are given proof of criminal wrong doing. All XFC had to prove was that he was being “persecuted” given Mwanawasa’s selective “prosecution”, that is good enough for the Canadians.
Offer a $ reward for information to his location and you will see. Make it $50,000 and payable by any embassy of Zambia, you will see!
#38. You are Judas cariot of today. How can you sell your friend because of money and very little for that matter. If you are an intelectual, just provide information free.
wats up nigaa
#39, sorry I have bills to pay like the Nchitos, Nkoles, Mwanawasas and everyone else in the on going task force trials. Are they providing their services for free? Who am I then? Even the USA offers bounties for fugitives.
So #39 you are foolishly assuming Chungu is my friend by inferring Judas Escariot right? Read my post again, better still if you don’t have anything to add on go and have a shower, play with yourself while you are at it.
#41. Iyo bane tabalika. Nomba nga twalakalipa katwishi efyo chalaba. Ala mukwai kuti banjelelako napapata.
#41. Iyo bane tabakalipa. Nomba nga twalakalipa katwishi efyo chalaba. Ala mukwai kuti banjelelako napapata
no problem #43
# 15, I agree with you
I appreciate your interest in my welfare and i promise i will come back but not now. My escape was aided by the Zambian Government , i promised to bring them Katumbi once in Congo i changed my mind. I later went to Mozambique we discussed at legnth with Chulumanda the Embassador but we could not reach a compromise so i bolted back to DRC.MMD knows the whole deal that is why i can criss cross the globe without being touched.Like i said come 2012 i will be back so dont despair my children papa will be back
chungu was,is a utilitarian,his acts are morally permisible,the value of all he did was maximised y the MMD,why bother him anyway.
Anyone familiar with the case of Peru in 2000? Vladmir Montesinos was head of intelligence in that country while Alberto Fujimori. Montesinos was ultimately in control of all state machinery presided over by a Japanese president. I’m not sure Montesinos is still in jail or not but ours is on the run. Looking at it from a wide angle, we were ruled by a Congolese prez with a thug at the helm of the country’s intel.
#46
What does 2012 mean to you? Amnesty? No. We shall cage you at your port de entrée.
As far as I am concerned, both Chiluba, Chungu, Mwanawasa and Shansonga are worth jail terms for defrauding Zambian people. It is clear to me that that the strategic goals and objectives of Zambian Intel is suspect and the whole organization requires a thorough audit and a cleansing exercise. The picture that one gets is that the basic definitions of what they should treat as ab enemy of Zambia is not well defined and all is left to the whims of the president of the day. These guys are not doing things based on ideological basis like the CIA or MI6 of FSB. They are so malleable that when they wake up in the morning, they have no mission until the politicians tell them what it is to be on ..
Chaiche chapazed # 35,
I have asked your brother here before,how do you know that those XFC cared for were not operational assets to his institution and the country? Do you have a measure of test for operational assets? Who told you that operational assets cannot be the officer’s folks? Do know how operational assets are developed and enlisted?
# 49 gLUCO my young man 2012 is a year after elections by then the dust would have settled and the eexcitement diminished that is when i will secretely sneak thru. Everybody’s attention will be on prosecuting LPM which in turn will mean LPM’s enemies will be the victors. My young man i was in charge of intelligence so i know what i am doing.So for now my vanquished mates dont despair i will be back. Dont worry about Amnesty, this IS Zambia Remember.Why do think thereis reconcilition between LPM. Think son
that day. So we end up with such missions as rig elections, make some politician in the opposition party defect, make some company win jobs from tender board, buy goods for the president, etc. These guys in the Zambian Intel do not deserve the huge budgets that parliament gives them every year given their lack of direction. The current scenario where the country is flooded with fake companies, all duly registered, winning tenders and being paid for doing nothing clearly shows that there is no sense of ensuring that the country is truly clean of dirty business. We cannot develop a country when all small businesses and large ones are a cover for criminals activities.
Development specialist,
Who cheated you that CIA or MI6 of FSB or MOSAD operate on ideological basis? Is what you picked up when you were on those exchange programs that were a must for every officer under UNIP? You think socialist UNIP could have initiated those foreign exchange programs if that was the case? They could have stuck with Russia, China, then Yugoslavia, Romania and all those eastern Europe countries. But look, more of you benefited exchange programs with the CIA & then both Germans East/West.
#52 Are you the real deal?
I conquar with muzungu on chungu, i think let them leave him alone. He was a chief Spy and made us have less harrasments from wars in the neighborhood. What can i do to make the world understand was the cry of some great man. Maybe it is just that Chiluba exposed KK in the name of the tunnels, that LPM also wants to buy people through the gallery; one must say this gallery does not end. it will be there even for the next president.
I believe for th sake of development some issues must just remain sucred for the good of national security. I mean we don’t know what the chief spy is doing currently to ensure that we are protected from wrong chaps coming to mess up our country. Some times people don’t even understand how hard core criminals from neighboring countries are identified so easily and taken care of. we gat a system in place which should be respected and it has its own code of conduct. Its a sect not easy to join but once in you never come out. Its a game people play, only thing is that it is a real life game and lives are affected.
What a shameful thing to even discuss. #1, you should know who a fool is. Someone who has elluded your weak search patrol cannot be a fool. To me the all govt might fall in that category. Mumba Malila tells us today that Zed has no extradiction treaty with UK. What nonsense is that? These FOOLS had a chance of exchanging Shansonga with the Terrorist caught in Zambia. These fools called legal experts had Shansonga in Zambia and they gave him a pass to to London knowing that Shansonga will not come back. Mwanawasa’s govt is full of pea brains. Shansonga is British citizen, they were told to let go and look after his white family and they let go. Who are they fooling apart from #1 Dasani?
Chungu ran from the persecution of Levy. I don’t see the relationship of Fujimori’s dictatorship to Zambia. Guys, how you justify Mwanawasa putting his brother with a grade 9 certificate as some director at OP? How about the other brother of Levy as Head of Security at plot 1 and getting killed by a prostute in SA’s hotel? Some of you never met Chungu. He is a gentleman of few words. He was Regional Director of OP for CB b4 Chiluba govt. ZAMTROP, was formed by KK to take care of foreign activities by the intelligency community that they don’t get detected thru money movement. Mwanawasa is cucu, by exposing this account. Ultimately, He has killed foreign operations. Chungu could be innocent.
The mixed opinions here shows to some extent that little info is at our disposal in treasuring our own national security. We have enjoyed relative peace in Zed for a long time coz of the likes of Chungu and his comrades in the Kaunda era. The fact that Politicians want OP ledger books scrutinised by every jim and jack is of no reason to embarass galant officers who have done so much for Zed beyond our comprehension. For the sake of our own security, it is unwise to persue this matter.
Everything the OP does is done for a reason. everybody mentioned or involved in whatever the LPM GOVT is calling as fraud by chungu were possibly subjects of operations to provide means to an end or the end in themselves as targets
Who knows? LPM could have gotten the best info on the real enemies of the state’s presidency in terms of running the country if the man was left alone.
We have an influx of chinese in the name of investers, when in fact they are spies doing the same things Chungu is being accused of with belssings from plot one. WHERE WERE THEY IN THE 1980s or 1990s? They knew they would be throughly checked and would not dare come to Zed, But nomba chali opener as long as Bamwine ba sosa. Very sad indeed. All our strategic sites in the country have been toured by thse so called investers and photos taken, of which nonsense of this kind did not exist when real men/women took care of national security.
Alamwandi we are in trouble. The ignorance of our leaders is going to cost our nation. How did China colonise Tibet? Go to Singapore, Thailand, and other Asian nations, they have been taken over by China. Zambia will be first in Africa in the name of economic growth and diversity.
Please do not deceive the nation by your semantics of national security, which national security? A thief is a thief. How can somebody plunder your resources and you praise him for doing so in the name of national security? China is now the world’s fastest growing economy and they are not in Africa only. They own big companies in the Western countries. What is the connection between China and national plunder? Shame on you Chungu sympathisers and shame on grz for setting him free to enjoy life elsewhere. Malila dont take us 4 fools. We know state machinery knows exactly where he is. I recall he was interviewed by someone in Portugal a few years back where he boasted of having many passports.
Kalos2020 (59),
Which CB and when did Chungu ever serve the service as Regional Chief? If you know nothing stick to what you know blogging on. Some of us take no pleasure in debating on such subjects. Hear me, you know nothing about Chungu. Straight from school and 9 months from an external opportunity in the then West Germany, I served a rank below Chungu who was just recalled from Zaire as of 1990. DIO is not PIO. Before Chiluba CB had a PIO now in retirement. So Where did Chungu serve as PIO?
Zambian #66. Better you keep quiet if you don’t who Chungu is. Who was the Head of the OP in 1991 on the Copperbelt? Why do you guys come on this blog to argue about things you don’t know? Chungu was with us in Ndola. May be you are talking about another Chungu who you created, but not Xavier. I know where Chungu leaved in Ndola and how his guys respected him. The best person to help your ignorance is Mr Duncan Kaona the former PS(if he is still alive), or Terence Findley or even Eric Silwamba. The best thing I can do for your empty argument is asking you to keep ignorance tacked somewhere.
I would glorify Chiluba for what he did for Zambia right from ZCTU to President. You guys used to line up for everything, even salt, the one commodity that is inflation proof. Ubunga, sopo, cooking oil(so called saladi), sugar. The changes Chiluba brought to Zambia are not signs of a so called plunderer. Most of you guys who say bad things about the Chiluba govt base your stupid arguments on tribe. There’s nothing Mwanawasa has done apart from putting his family in offices. All economical policies are Chiluba’s. So, ba Disgusted, check the nation records. I could be disgusted at your failure to understand our legal system. The burden of proof is on the accuser.
If you don’t understand politics, you will agree that they plundered the economy, meanwhile they left things better than Kaunda when he left office. So, who is the plunderer? We lined up for Sugar, Salt, Soap, Ubunga. Chiluba and his team put things in order and we call he a plunderer. How so? Ba Disgusted, continue being disgusted. I think Chiluba did more than have been portrayed by Mwanawasa and Mulongoti and the stupid paper called post. Learn to understand that all Levy is doing is politics. His time will come.
36 & 37 you really know how to broadcast your ignorance, or is it your poor comprehension of the language you seem to infer youhave mastered! sometimes do take a little bit of time to look up in a dictionary or “nowadays”, use an editing program!
Gaga, you are on the money!
Kalos2020 (67),
Don’t show your foolishness here. It would be a bleach for me to start giving out names beyond Chungu publicly blown up.Chungu was a District I. Officer operating from the District office and not PIO. Career wise i know the the brother inside and out until 1999 when we professionally parted company willfully.Under late Hanson Kamima Frank was just a DIO.I know the brother on a personal level.
#72. Zambian, the question is simple. And the use of the word foolishness does not jive with the discussion. Why resort to such words. WHO WAS THE PIO in 1991 just before the elections? If you say the guy is retired, why are hiding his name? Look here dear, I had friends in the OP. I drove their cars and went to Hotels you know for what. So, answer my question.
LONG LIVE XFC, MAY THE LORD BLESS HIM.
damm i thought i saw that nigga at 300 atlanta with a heine in his hands chilling with 2 tricks
The point I have made earlier is still valid. Zambian Intel has no national strategic goals and objective other than keeping the mmd in power no matter what it takes. This is not far from what SAVAK used to be for the Shar of Iran.
Zambia requires a new Intel organization based on the strategic security for the vast majority of Zambians. Right now anyone from abroad who has a record in doing evil can come into Zambia and is given a red carpet by the MMD and its goon leaders. LPM has no brain other than love for money. Chiluba and Chungu were partners in doing evil to Zambia. As far as I am concerned, the vast number of rubbish firms and individuals in Zambia clears shows the absence of ..
an organization country-wide with covert ability to halt such firms and individuals from doing harm to Zambians. Parliament is year in year out voting funds into Intel coffers to sustain their poorly defined status quo while the cream of Zambian resources and assets are finding their way to foreign banks and their owners. Look at the Emerald sector. THe GRZ have clearly now erased this resource from the Zambian vocabulary. No one talks about the billions of USDs we could have been earning had we put our best minds to this including copper and Gold.
I really feel sad for the kids of Zambia will enherit a country in chains of poverty with all resources gone because we did not place Zambia..
and its people as priority one in all our policy initiatives and their implementation.
Yaba! but we have a Government eh!
why not arrest his lawyer and Sata?they communicate with him.
Ba Nchelelebula what sort of thinking is that
Chungu is in the state house tunnel ask Mwanawasa why wasting your enregy about this chap. mwanawasa has hidden him for the purpose.check the tunnel
how dumb can our govt. be honestly? why look for him? as former intelligence chief obviously he needed cash to get intelligence. mwandi be XFC keep on the low-low.. heck if i knew where you were id hide you too.. tho i saw him last year at Sandton City, even had a breif chat with him.
As far as I am concerned, our Intel is not worth having if their goals and objectives are only to entrench theft of public resources and plunder of our national treasure. The fact that the newly formulated Defence Policy has been kept out of public eyes means that the policies of using OP, Shushu, Intel etc to keep the mmd in office for ever. These goals are criminal and are worth a million Mukobeko prison terms as far as I am concerned. We cannot subjugate the welfare of the whole country to that of a criminal entity like the MMD. The fact that they kept this defence policy a secret means that it is only worthy a used condom in value to all of us Zambians.
It is clear that those in our Intel need a complete reducation in terms of what is right or wrong that they can do within Zambia and against Zambians. In most civilized countries, Intel people are banned from spying on their own citizens unless they have broken some law. And when this happens, it is the police organs that carryout investigations, and not the Intel guys. THis however has suffered greately in some countries like the US where some federal intel organs have been authorised to carryout communications survailance within the US. In Zambia, it is an open secret that all citizens are spied upon by Intel without any hesitation. Sometimes, the opposition parties are plotted against ..
so that they are weakened and lose the elections. It is also evident that our Intel is still stuck in the One Party era given their partiality in national affairs.
I think that the best route to a better managed Intel is to have our Intel guys report to a national security council that will be independent of the president and report only to Parliament – to its defence and security committee, and also to the foreign affairs committee. The president will only act on advice from the security committee. It is nonsense that the president bends the modus operandi of the Intel guys because he sees enemies everytime his government fails to do a right thing because it is full of ignoramuses.
#52 … You might be a lot of things but you sure can’t spell.
#65 Call them semantics or whatever you like. But you are well aware that the last five years of UNIP governance was not good for most Zambians with all the urgly food riots and all. Now has it ever crossed your mind to think of how after 1991, commodity crises immediately came to an end. Where do you think Chiluba a fresher at his job then, got resources from? The answer is resources generated by OP run investments. Of which he later became uncomfortable with and privatised.
Ifyashala mulundenipo
LIERS…The Bustard is in London. I saw him on the Tube last month, i was travelling from Eailing Broadway to Oxford on the Central line at the time. I can trace the ***** on behalf of my beloved country. ZAMBIA!
Leave him alone, he is my guest.
We don’t who the true bastard is. The one on the run or the one on the “Tube” seeing Chungu were he is not. This English of tubes does not make sense. Why cant you just say on the train or subway? Tube kwati ya nchinga or kwati litumpo.
Muzungu, post 4 & 4 are excellent!
Hmmm kalos2020, fine the ‘train’ thanks for the bemba lesson.