President Levy Mwanawasa’s breathing has improved following a successful operation carried out on him yesterday afternoon.
Vice President, Rupiah Banda, said in a statement posted on the State House website today that Dr. Mwanawasa was now recovering satisfactorily.
“Following the minor operation yesterday afternoon, (Moday 7 July, 2008), His Excellency the President of the Republic of Zambia, Dr. Levy P. Mwanawasa, SC, is recovering satisfactorily,” he said.
Mr. Banda said doctors attending to Dr. Mwanawasa have since adjusted the treatment taking into account the minor operation on him at the Percy Military Hospital where he is admitted and being treated for hypertension.
“His breathing is much better and Dr. Mwanawasa had a restful night at the Percy Military Hospital, Paris, France,” he said.
Yesterday morning, Dr. Mwanawasa underwent a medical review from which it was discovered that he needed a minor operation to improve his breathing.
The operation was carried out on the President in the afternoon yesterday.
Mr. Banda said Dr. Mwanawasa’s condition has continued to be stable.
On June 29th this year, Dr. Mwanawasa suffered a stroke while in Egypt where he had gone to attend an 11th extra ordinary African Union (AU) heads of state and government summit.
He was admitted to Sharma El Sheikh Hospital in Egypt before being evacuated on July 1st, to France for specialist medical treatment at Percy Military Hospital.
Hundreds of Christians from various religious groups, political parties, civil society organisations, several non-governmental organisations, private and public companies have been wishing Dr. Mwanawasa a speedy recovery through prayers and oral and written messages.
ZANIS/ENDS/KSH
Praying that the Lord God Almighty grants the President mercy and touches him to restore his health.
Thank God for his mercy and grace. God grant Mrs Mwanawasa grace and peace to face this challenge.
oh thk God almighty,lesa apale.
Happy to hear that please post some pictures of him so we clear some doubting thomas bwana Banda
Mwamona mwbebantu ba levy is breathin satisfactorily lets keep on prayin for his full recovery.thank GOD for this miracle.When u call on jesus all things r possible en even as we continue to call upon his name for this continued miracle we need to believe he will be healed in jesus’ name.
Praise be to God that LPM is recovering we need to put this thing behind us now ,its become like another LPM SERIES season three! Lets save money and let the others on the bed side return home.
May The healing Hand of God the Almighty continue healing our President.
Good to know that our President is recovering. Let´s keep on praying for him and God will surely hear our prayers. Que te repongas pronto señor presidente!
Praise the doctors and surgeons as well.
#4 Jesus said “Blessed are those who believe without seeing”, we do not need to see pictures of the President to clear any doubt. Let’s just believe what we are being told by RB. If the nation is being misled let God be the judge. A person is only certified dead when the heart stops beating. As long as the heart is beating even if they are on life support machine, they are still alive. Let’s just continue praying for LPM. One touch from God changes everything.
Mr RB how does his breathing improve when he is in a coma. Please stop showing your ignorance. Why did he have a tracheostomy when he is suffering from hypertension? Please tell the world the truth. If you know what a tracheostomy is you wouldn’t be saying such. Can you please google your inform before posting it.
Does this mean our president is no longer on supporting machines in the intensive care unit? we need all those details, the progress on his health is encouraging, continue praying
Obviously with such news, the nation is calm. But then the question comes in, how long must we wait before we know which way for Mother Zambia? Investors are panikin, the kwacha is plumeting. Mwe ba kwata constitution tell us how much longer must we wait before we ask RB 2rule for 3months. God Bless Zambia and Longlive LPM (576)
Praise be to God. Lets continue praying.
#11 U.K When did the Vice President specify what operation the President had,i don’t see any tracheostomy being mentioned moreover who said that people in a coma don’t breathe.
Levy has a history of hypertension and diabetes and is now in a semi coma so if it is tracheostomy that was carried out on him then it’s for a reason.U asked us to google,here are the results.
**A tracheostomy is usually done for one of three reasons: (1) to bypass an obstructed upper airway (an object obstructing the upper airway will prevent oxygen from the mouth to reach the lungs); (2) to clean and remove secretions from the airway; and (3) to more easily, and usually more safely, deliver oxygen to the lungs.
Why are we Zambians so afraid of change? This is a form of change that has come upon us and we have to deal with it by being brave and not showing that we can not accept bad situations. Why so many sissies pretending all is well.
Recovering satisfactorily is very vague in my opinion as it doesnt say much on the overall state of H.E.
Glory be to to God Almighty. We pray that the recovery progresses well
#16 Have respect for Human life. None of us including you know the day hour nor moment of your departure. It could even be earlier than the person you are mocking.
Sharon has undergone a series of subsequent surgeries related to his comatose state. He has remained in a long-term care facility since November 6, 2006.[24] Medical experts indicate that his cognitive abilities were likely to have been destroyed by the massive stroke. He is in a persistent vegetative state with extremely low chances of recovery.
How come the postnewspaper is not digging deeper on this issue? It is clear that GRZ is avoiding mentioning that the president is in a coma. How long will this lying continue without being checked by zambia’s civil society,opposition parties, and journalists? I think it is time to ask the zambian government for more details. This time let them bring a medical expect to explain the health situation of Mr.Mwanawasa.
#16 Nakabalika, The truth is difficult to face sometimes…
BA LESA SURE ARE FOR REAL! BUT MY QUESTION STIL STAND ARE LPM’S CHILDREN GOIN TO SCHOOL???? H.C.M of South Africa ma friend pack yo bags en come back to zed!GOD BLESS U LPM WE LOVE U!
Being theoretrical is not practical. Change your name it would help your perception on issues.
Zeddy you are so ignorant like RB? So what operation was he having apart rom a tracheostomy? RB says he is breathing well HOW? It is the ventilator doing all the work they performed the op due to help him not to choke on his secretions and easy his complications LPM is not doing to good. So lets move forward and concentrate on electing a new president.
#13 you have hit the nail on the head. Til when? LPM has speech impediment as a rsult of the accident he suffered some time ago. It goes without saying that the recent ailment, slight as they may call it has affected not only his speech, but also his capacity to think and plan properly. Plans of power take over must be underway. A smooth and strategic transition must be in the making. LPM cannot be president anymore….with all due respect to the taboo of talking ill of a dying or dead person.
It is about being mature and following our cultural norms. Yes the President occupies an important office. But how about your workmates blogging/chatting in corridors about succession for your position whilst you are in ICU. A lot of people have thought of what you are posting but have kept it to themselves because its uncouth (to wish someone dead, your pres for that matter) & to post whatever rushes to your head. Take or leave my counsel my brother or sister.
For those asking what the constitutin says about what happens in case of death or incapacitation of the President.
**A majority number of cabinet members have to vote on the matter & report to the Chief Justice if they feel the President cannot continue.The Chief Justice appoints at least 3 medical practitioners to investigate & report back to him/her their findings.If it true the President cannot function then the Chief Justice puts it in writing to the Veep for him to take over or if Veep unwell too then cabinet elects another member amongst themselves to become President.The Chief Justice’s decision certification cannot be questioned in any court of law,it’s final.
BUT NIZONA BANA BA LPM SIBAYENDA KU SUKULU NGATI BALI PA BED SIDE OLO BWANJI? AM JUST A CONCERND CITIZEN WHO CARES FOR THEM. LET THEM COME BACK AND GO TO SCHOOL. THANK GOD FOR THE PROGRESS LEVY IS MAKING. GOD WILL MAKE A WAY WHERE THERE SEEMS TO BE NO WAY MWAMONA NOMBA!!!!!!!!!
Not too long ago when Hon MIchael Sata was suffering in a SA hospital. Some blogger called Catfish posted to inquire whether the romour that Sata’s son had passed away. He went as far as revealing the supposed HIV status of the late. I protested but other bolggers called me shallowminded. Later it emerged that the young could have committed suicide. So I queried the bloggers that called me shallow minded whether spreading data about other persons HIV status (true or false) and probably causing them to commit suicide was being broadminded. There was no response. Let us be sensitive and respect one another especially in moments such as these.
Theoretician; While your theories do not allow you to see the other side of the coin, Im trying to be practical by enlighting others on the fact that the other side shiny and offers people a chance of moving on and achieving even greater things foe Zed. I mean its not a sole trader business bound to collapse with the demise of the proprietor.
I dont blame you though, Most of my siblings fell into such after our father died cos they couldnt see themselves being anything, let alone doing anything on their own. Today, I struggle to make them realise that each one is unique and can do and achieve anything, as long as they believe in themselves. Ofcourse without forgeting Father’s wisdom.
#26, you rightly hit me on the question of “workmates blogging/chatting in corridors about succession for your position whilst you are in ICU”. Thanks for the insaka kind of advice. But please, do take note that there is more at stake here than the cultral view point. Economically, do you know what this almost power vacuum is costing the country? On one side we have vultures like Mugabe threatening war on Zambia whilst on the other we have careless mouthed leaders like Mulongothi issuing out statements which are only reserved for the president, etc. we need a president if you can allow me to stand by my earlier contribution!!!
Lets agree to disagree. You are entitled to your opinions. Good day!
#24 UK
I don’t give a toss what you label me.Am not in the medical profession but it doesn’t take one in that field to read in all daily updates by RB that the word tracheostomy is not mentioned by either RB or Mulongoti so why should i assume it’s a tracheostomy.
Is it necessary for the authorities to tell us that the operation was done to avoid the President from chocking on his own secretions and all that,NO!It should be plain simple,TO AID HIS BREATHING whether be it on ventillator or on his own.
If you feel we need to elect a new President then ask the cabinet members to raise that motion & report to the Chief Justice,it’s the only way,mumbling on this blog won’t help.
Imwe leave RB alone. whatever he reports in done by oother people. I am sure Brian chituwo health minister writes all this crap information. If its true, then fine. If not then they are buying time so that they can rule alittle longer. God will judge them
Why are Mwanawasa’s children being called to go and witness his death? Let us cut on tax payer’s money. Let them be where they are till the last breath. This way, we shall save money for poor zed.
Lets face facts RB and his cronies are buying time they’ve got no plan B. But I do…
And Maureen is the one holding on to power not Levy
I hope Levy pulls through, but let’s face, we all know nothing has been mentioned in the zambian press that he is in a semi-coma. The constitution dictates that if he is deemed unfit to run the country, mentally or physically, he should be removed from office, therefore, instead of cabinet members, i.e. abena mulongoti and them worrying about their jobs, Zambians want to know, is he fit to rule? do we want another Sheron on our hands? how long is he going to be in that state? let cabinet use the powers they have, get the chief justice to send doctors to deduce Levy’s health, and then we let him go and rest! his family is more important than Mulongoti and the team’s pension. Levy needs rest.
lesa mukulu sana.praise be to GOD…
Imwe bonse, listen, this is what hapened to Levi: He suffered a stroke as result of too much stress which led to a Berry aneurysms bursting resulting in a brain haemorrhage on the eve of the AU summit which was scheduled to discuss Zimbabwe in which he was supposed to take a leading role as SADC chairman. So, a tracheostomy operation he had is a side problem which comes from his diabetes and hypertension history. What we should asking for is what progress is he making from the brain surgery he had earlier, not concerning hypertension.
Thank God for the satisfactory operation but do you think his speech is gonna be ok when or if comes out of the coma.
To God Be The Glory… his mercy for Zambia shall endure forever.
I LOVE ZAMBIA lesa apale
All those (#24) feeling it’s time to get a new president should hid the advice by Zeddy of asking the cabinet members to raise that motion & report to the Chief Justice, and not just mumbling on this blog insulting everyone who dissagrees with them. Talk to the cabinet, and refrain from insulting Zedians. Zedians’re not as ignorant or daft as you think they’re. Atleast, that way history might remember you as one who petitioned cabinet for a new president. Otherwise, blogging insults to people you don’t even know will just leave you with the standard three days of rememberance by relatives after your demise. LPM will be remembered forever.
Doctors in Egypt said the President was flown to Paris in a semi coma.
The first lady is not clinging on to power because she is not co-President neither does she have powers to certify someone dead or incapacitated.
French doctors will inform the first family of their decision when they feel nothing else can be done,people have been in comas for days,weeks,months & years,God decides whether they awaken or die however,the constitution is clear and signs are that soon a decision will be made by cabinet,no pressure can rush them so wait until they are satisfied the President cannot carry on.
Just let him go. Who is going to pay that medical bill? The guy is on life support and just having all these bypass surgeries. What good is he even if he survives? After all he is a known tribalist and hardcore nepotic Zambia has ever seen. You can pray for him coz you have nothing to do. After all God does not even hear your fake prayers. All tribalists are as good as those facing Rwanda Genocide trials. You guys it is like Zambia is bankrupty of better leaders. Levy does not have the monopoly of intelligence or good leadership. At least to me.
PIPO check #284 on thread Mwanawasa’s latest update.
I have great respect for LPM but we need a new president.This will be good for his health.He needs a good rest at his farm.
Anyone out there who thinks Maureen loves being 1st Lady more than Levy loves 2be President?… U’ve got a partner in me.
Yet more vagueness from the GRZ. What is with these people, this is like the whole Fidel Castro issue!! At least there the Cubans eventually released some pictures of the old guy in his addidas track suit. Come GRZ, allay our concerns. Lets see LPM watching TV from his bedside or something. Let us know he is alright instead of all these “satisfactorily”, “minor”, “restful” phrases!
#44 what are you talking about?
Why is it that RB is the only source of information for everyone including foreign press?
Anyone with a link that is more accurate?
#44 I get your point. Things not moving for govt coz maureen wants to leave as widowed first lady, man wants to die as incumbent.
review this interesting new political party their website is:
thecitizensdemocraticparty.com
It represents great new ideas- all the best LPM!
pls see this link on a fresh new party- it’s truly different- I just came across it from here
thecitizensdemocraticparty.com
It represents great new ideas
God bless Mwanawasa and Zambia
First great news from LPM…then second for real Zambians this new party looks to be with some forward thinking people see it- I’m advertising for them as well!
thecitizensdemocraticparty.com
thecitizensdemocraticparty.com
these citizensdemocraticparty.com are political nuisances making us look dull.
#50 spot mate. The President is Dead. Let others get a hold of themselves and start discussing whats next…pew!
Thank God, I was worried for HE, but what caused the diffculty in breathing, I hope the Doctors have diagnosed what happened accurately and how long do such operations usually take for someone to recuperate? I for one think, it is time we started looking at exit strategies here, even when fully recovered i think HE needs to step down, my views only.
This party is like a foolish man who goes to a funeral and starts looking for a girl to date. You guys with your party cannot wait until we finish what is at stake here? Ppl on this blog right now are focused on the Levy issue, not parties. Take your foolish and non starter party from our faces.
I have checked out this party you’re advertising here thecitizensdemocraticparty.com
Firstly who is behind the party or movement and when was it formed,is it just now because they have seen an ”opportunity”(since the President might not go back to office).
They have great ideas like every other political party and movement but as usual they just say we will do this and that without saying how instead they say using our Zambian professionals and academicians.You cannot say we will reduce VAT without saying how else you will earn the revenue lost from giving up VAT charges etc.Anyway,let’s first see who’s behind it,if it’s Chirwa then i will join.
Just inquisitive,what does the Zambian law say in the event that the president becomes incapacited. and what’s the waiting period before he/she is declared handicaped?honest query.
LPM era is finished… but do not despair he served well in his capable times. we appreciate.
This citizensdemocraticparty makes sense- the problem with us Zambians is a party has to be the personal property of a family-UNIP was KK- when he fell the party fell-
upnD was Mazoka MHSRIP- we saw what happened when he unfortunately died, what is PF without Sata? I hope this party sticks to focussing on ideas not some person who will die with the party- maybe that’s the strategy! and not the personal property of someonne then maybe I’ll join!
Forgot to say quick recovery Mr. Mwanawasa!
here did the citizenship democratic party get our personal details from? I am not impressed with the unsolicited email they sent me. it makes me feel targetd. id anyone else get an emailed invitation and did they address you by name?
that should have sai “wher” and not here
You guys be serious I cannot imagine we are actually talking about this citizen’s party, this is just another of those frauds. Let them be substantive, the next thing will be e-subscriptions and you guys will be providing your credit cards details. come on gusy you are smarter than that.
While we should be grateful about the “apparent” progress, it is not inhuman to consider and discuss prospects of replacing Levy.Levy is no ordinary human being…the issue is even if he recovers, will he be fit enough to manage the very stressful responsibilities of Presidency? We need to consider this seriously.Levy should have a detailed mental evaluation after this.
God should be praised and honoured in all situation.It is writen that ask and you shall be given,not even for a second do i dought these sacred biblical words. We did ask for Mwanawasas life and it is what we ask even now from above.For i as a christian i lift what is writen in the bible not my words but the words of God the creator.Where as in every out come i do not retract my belief because He only knows His plans for each and every one of us.I hope when Mwanawasa reads the prayers people have offered on his behalf he will seriously believe in the creator His maker.May the sun shine in our presidents life,in each and every Zambian and upon all Gods creation.Amen
Lord Jesus, your power upon Levy this evening. raise him God. we believe in you Lord. restore his health Doctor Jesus. we are seeking your power Jesus. amen
I just found out. This PARTY is a scam from Nigeria. DO NOT DONATE, I repeat, DO NOT BE SCAMMED. Let us move on with our agendas and blog on other issues.
I persoally would like to see him brand me a doubting Thomas I dont care because I know what we are dealing with here. Dont think a stroke is like malarial or a cold. We are talking about a condition that threatens to incapacitate someone. We dont know what caused the bleeding if it was a ruptured aneurysm or a disected artery we dont know. I repeat we dont know how much of his brain is infarcted (dead) and what senses and inervations ae affected.
Stable? Can RB drop this silly word and tell us something concrete. Who tells him that LPM is being treated for hypertension? He stroked.
64…I also got the email from the Citizens Democratic Party.I wish they could come out in the open and tell us who is behind this than send us emails.They are also under the illusion that internet party organization is possible in Africa…They cannot!They should go to Shan’gombo and all the rural areas 5 years before they want to seriously contend.If they hope to mobilize the grassroots via internet like Obama they are dreaming! Zambia does not have the Technological infrastructural capacity yet.
#62 has made sense- I’ll wait and see. All the best LPM!
#67, this is a realistic view, but unfortunately you and I will not do much to change the views held by our leaders regarding this situation. However my hope is that if the unfortunate happened or LPM decides to step down they have a succession plan which will not compromise the constitution as the case is always in Africa.
kalos2020, thanks for the word of caution. How did you find out it was a nigerian scam? Are you in zambia by any chance? I don’t like receiving strange emails and would sure like to get to the bottom of how mine was passed on. The party seem to have a mailing address, bank account and telecel number too in zambia?
Plz help me, who is on the bedside, from the cabinet? was the idea that veep goes , and come back with the actual information, not the report says. whose report?
I like the citizenship democratic party ideas- I saw some literature sometime back in town. I’ve also received an email, I think they’re trying to be legitimate- I’m just wondering who these people are.
#71 I was the first to raise concern about the word STABLE and someone by the trade name Easy E accused us of being uneducated and did not understand simple english. Everyone knows that Ariel Sharon is stable!! I rest my case.
They’re are too may cynical people here- what if this party is real- is everything a scam?
there is an update on the thread “mwanawasa’s latest update”. Have a look at message #284.
#39, when a person suffers a stroke, a portion of the brain starved of oxygen and other nutrients dies.This is called an infarct(dead tissue). Usually, one side of the brain is affected and may lead to one side of the body (controlled by the dead portion of the brain) being paralyzed. If the hemisphere which controls speech is affected then yes his speech will be affected dont forget that he has a slayed speech for the previous accident.
I strongly feel pit for LPM and family he has been through a lot as person however, Zambia comes first and it should be our focus now. We better start grooming the next president. We are DONE
probably your IP or phone providers…………
#67 like others try to be positive in life.Try to see good in every thing though it is difficult.Leave every thing in the hands of God.He shall really show us the way.Do not think of replacing Mwanawasa because it does not seem wise to talk the way you do,the stroke was not self inflicting but a misfortune that he has suffered.Even in difficulties he has ruled for seven years and now left only with three years more.Even in those seven years he has done better than most able-bodied people.Lastly you do not have to remind anybody,we all know that Levy is just human as all of us but at the same time your president and mine too be respectful.
Being positive and being realistic are two different things, I prefer being realistic, its like prosperity once one is prosperous I think happiness comes naturally, so why wish someone a happy and prosperous new year, so it is, a realist will always by default be positive about a situation, that is my theory. Realists sometimes are always subscribers of murphy’s law!!
#78 correct. Sharon is very stable. Zambians like running away from reality. The truth is he suffered his stroke and went into coma.It does not matter whether its comatose or full coma the effects can be just as fatal. RB is choosing his word very very carefully. His list includees STABLE, RESTFULL, SATISFACTORY. We all know that anything doesnt chane is stable. It does not matter whether its at negative 100, zero or 100. Its stable. So how stable is Mwanawasa. This is a stupid word and RB should drop it. He should tell us whether LPM has moved out of coma or is still in coma. Franky, one doesnt need to be in coma for that long.
#83 LPM is not disabled but there is a question about his ability to cope with the presures of the presidence. Do you know right now what caused his first and current strokes? If you have a stroke, chances are that you will have another one among other factors. I find nothing wrong with what #67 wrote. Would you be happy to be ruled by a person whose mental faculties are compromised? Be realist. But I wish Levy the best even if I am extremely doubtful that he will be the same LPM.
The good Lord continues to answer our prayers.
Long live LPM! Long live mother Zambia!
this citizens democratic party is very interesting and different- I’m impressed- is is Clive Chirwa because it seems like learned people?
When will Levy die? I thot he died already. Israel did not lie to its ppl when Sharon got stroke. How come this guy want to cling to power even in his death bed? Let us get a fresh guy at plot 1. Bye bye tribalism and the Shakafuswa clan. To time to move on. Let us start recalling all family members from all foreign missions. I tired of how we treated his tribalism with kid gloves. If it was another tribe doing the same, all of you will be up in arms and condemning the all tribe. The guy’s brain got burnt, there’s no reversal and sadly, no transplants. MOVE ON.
We need Ba LPM for continuity,sake and economic stability.So let pray for quick recovery.
# 89 I hope you will wish the same to your father since your mother is tired of him. she needs a nue dude. How do you wish someone’s father to died do you have a father or you were born muchigololo, and you didnt have parental love. Dude you are f88ked up.
Kalos2020
Wait for the ball and ready yourself for another period of smoke in your hands plus more years of frustrated rhetorical blogging.If you think the machinery is gone in a stupor for every jerk you wish to take over, watch the space. The machinery is fully activated way ahead of the game.I offer you my index finger for vindication.
To be positive does not mean to be absent from reality.Positivity means focusing on the good rather than the bad and realism means to be practical seeking what is practicable or possible based on know facts.What is it that we know about life and death?For now i would rather be postive and seek what is good in this circumstances and when at the end i know the out come then i will face reality.For now no reality exists.
Cursed are your days on earth and cursed be every offspring out of your loins.We reverse and command the powers of hell to confront you on every turn. You are a miserable Devil Incarnate.
what’s this about the citizens party- does anyone have a link to their website?
And Zambians let’s be positive about Mwanawasa and also remember that other people are dying with lack of simple medical access- I wish him the best but the nation should also not come to a halt- we have a job to do.
Kalos2020 # 89,
Cursed are your days on earth and cursed be every offspring out of your loins.We reverse and command the powers of hell to confront you on every turn. You are a miserable Devil Incarnate.
How many ppl are at Leopards Hill. If you think you will leave forever or Mwanawasa will, you are f’d up. So, wish you lucky with your Levy. I hate Levy for his tribalism and I will spit on his grave. You can say all you want, but the truth still stands. His stupid wife said it openly, she has been to all parts of Zambia, but Luapula and Northern Province. Do you think I would lose my sleep for such Nepotic and tribal haters like Mwanawasas? ZERO.
Kalos – you are my man. We forget so easily how arrogance took centre stage in LPM’s government. We Zambian’s have short memories. We wish him well BUT Zambia needs a PRESIDENT – Right NOW!
You will curse as much as you want, but Levy there’s no reversal. Accept the truth. Your prayers at this time will not answered. He is gone, probably to hell.
Lifekelo says- Dr. Sata wife of Micheal Sata should run as President during the 2010 elections. Lifekelo says Dr. Sata has the capacity of re-uniting PF and MMD members to form a coalition Government ( MMD-PF). He adds that in an event that the President is incapacitated Dr. Sata is capable of uniting the country. Mr Lifekelo has wished the President a quick recovery
Mwanawancushi # 95,
We are systematically heads up plugged in to the core with every entity on the ground were legality is validated only. Soliciting for money without full details? I see them under 096-8347292 and LSK Box # 37277. Its been a holiday to day here but tomorrow we will have everything bear from receipts, contacts, membership, NRC, Passport and Bank account data at hand.The better expose themselves or we puncture them.
Authority…please stick your self righteous comment up yours. You embarass me. People have a right to their own opinions. Get off if you dont understand diversity…
Ha! now it has become interesting, I believe in Murphy’s law but again i am alive to the fact that no single human being is immortal and that is the reality we have to face, just like we cannot read God’s mind, we just have to live as humanbeings within our options and not allow emotions overtake our reasoning. Some of the bloggers might have been too blunt about their ideas but looking at both sides of the coin always helps matters when the inevitable happens. I feel for the LPM family espcially his children, losing a President is not much of an issue, losing a father! ah ah, that is difficult to comprehend and that sober’s me up especially that I have experienced it!!!
#100m Lifwekelo is a sick man, if he is not supporting third term he is supporting Mrs Mwanawasa, this guy is receiving unnecessary press coverage. And who does he speak for?
I would rather die with your curses than see Rwandan situation in Zambia. Mwanawasa was leading Zambia in that direction. Do you recall the lady that was kicked out of the MMD becoz she said the truth about Levy’s tribalism? Come on fools, pull your stupid heads out the sand. Do you know why Levy did not allow MMD not to have a Vice President in the MMD, because other tribes had more popularity to win and be next. Sorry guys, yo bible says the truth shall set you free. And I feel I know the truth about this guy. So, I am free and able to say it loud. Lets hope yo prayers will reverse his stroke, but medically impossible.
we are alive by the grace of God,none of us know can tell what next,God works miracles guys,where is our faith.and while most people are looking at this issue in a political point of view,his family is thinking of a DAD,A HUSBAND,A BROTHER.I think they need prayers coz they have much more to loose than other person.
#97 Kalos 2020.I believe you do hate yourself and find no good in yourself because what you say does not please you.I can not blame you as a person because you are not your own creation but i will blame your in ability to chose from what is good to what is bad.Have peace.
# 103 thanx for the comment. Levy loosing the presidency isn’t painful, then real pain is lossing him as a loving father. Hope some of you your fathers are still alive.
#101 Patriot.. I have managed to view their website- it does not show anything on asking for money- maybe they took it down. But personally I like the intelligence of what they are saying. I have to know the people involved of course- but at least they are discussing issues on improving Zambia-not talking about individuals we’ll wait and see.
Definition of incapacitation:
1 to deprive of power, strength, or capacity; disable
2 to deprive of legal capacity or eligibility
LPM is on life support and can not breathe on his own.Thank God ZESCO doesn`t run the power supply in Paris or else we could have been talking of another story.When or if LPM gets out of the coma he won`t even know his name or worse still that he presides over a nation.In short LPM is incapacitated and cabinet must have the guts to invoke the constitution so that the CJ can call for elections or replace LPM.
Mwanawasa is not the only dad in Zambia. Others have lost their dads too. Some because of ineptude. Remember the explosion in Chambishi? So, bringing the issue of dad, husband and so on carries no water. He is not the only dad, husband or brother. In Kitwe they don’t even have space to bury ppl. Are they not dads, husbands or brothers too? This behavior of softening in calamity stinks. If I was to give eurology at his funeral, I will tell it the way I saw it. NO LIES, NO SUGER COATING, and NO BS.
I think we can just respond to Kalos 2020 in the most civilised way possible, he is entitled as anyone else to contribute to this blog and he has not peddled any insult whatsoever, let him be judged fairly and squarely if there is sense in what he/she is saying let us respond with counter facts and let us convince him otherwise, cursing him, bashing him, being hostile against him will not help. #108 I thank you for the kind words. Meanwhile with LPM a long life for the sake of his children
2020 – Amen brother!
#111, just sympathy, if it has a place in your heart, that is all I was trying to do, I cannot talk about the chambeshi victims here because the subject of discussion is LPM and no one is denying the fact that he is not the only dad, but he is the only dad being discussed here, I hope that makes sense.
Kalos 2020, do you wish Mwanawasa dead?
Mwiinga # 112. You are a coolant. I thank you in guiding us in this. I will be civil. Thank you. You remind me of how my former college mate Joy Mwiinga was. CIVIL and truthful.
Mwiinga, I don’t wish him dead, but these fake prayers on the blog make me pissed of. I have sat with Levy and ate with Levy, but I hate tribalism that he was shoving on out throats.
Kalos2020
I hear and feel you brother. Keep spitting the truth. The truth shall set you free
Christine Moonga is the lady that was kicked out of the MMD for telling it like it is about Levy’s tribalism.
Kalos2020 is practically entitled to his/her own opinion. But what strikes me most is the hight of his hate towards President Mwanawasa. Those cursing are not been fair, to all bloggers who might hold the same view, i totally agree with Mwinga(#112). Kalos2020 please bring out solid reasons why you would spit on LPM’s grave, anyway do you really mean it? Am enjoying the debate!!!
The former President (like it or not) was a good guy. He had some focus and that focus would have taken us miles (had he continued) and weaknesses. Its pretty obvious we can only remember the shortfalls (this is Africa). Please tell us who will jump start the motion to get Cj to commence replacement process because we nolonger have opposition in cabinet, just stable Mpombo and the rest think they can be the next president. What if cabinet delays, whats the way 4ward? God bless Zambia, Longlive 576 (LPM)
Blogers ,i know we all have different opinons here and very much respect each one of them.But there is something sinister about the all issue.Why is there serenity with the world media? Very very strange indeed.Any way God bless LPM and the farmily.
we need you sir. God grant you that quick recovery recepy of his called Faith.
I just concluded a research RB is related to LPM
explain in detail?? how are they related?
#119, Zambian Dream. I would probably do so. I wept for a long time seeing how tribalism and the killings in Rwanda affected the masses. I have always been very critical of of Levy’s arrogancy with regard to tribalism and nepotism. So, honestly. will I shed a tear if he dies? Hell No. Will I jubilate? No. But his arrogancy will be cause for me to not be affected by his death. His wife was here in the US and her statement to the few who bothered to meet her was that she has been all over Zambia but Luapula and Northern Province. That hit me bad. Although I know her and she knows me, I never attended or bothered to see meet her.
Kalos 2020 I asked the question just to put the discussion in context and I am glad you have clarified.
Mwiinga you feel exactly the way I do with these fake prayers, made by people who have just come from commiting all manner of sin and yet showing a holier than thou attitude. Genuine prayers are mad in secret places where only you are battling it out with Lord not this crap. Do not even drag the name of the Lord into your madness, yes bible says ‘ask and it shall be give’, only if it is in line with his will. So do not deceive yourselves. How d you know that LPM’s heart is in line with God’s will? Remember great men of God have passed on (e.g MATANDIKO). We all have an appointed time so do not demonize those who say LPM’s time is past. It is only reality. he,s just being tortured by machines
Wow! #125 interesting isn’t it?
#127, you see refusing to face reality is like being a man of God and then leave God to direct your own children on earth, in other words many a men of God especially from the pentecostal sectors have abrogated their responsibilties on this account and the results are there to show (PULE)
We always want to sanitize our discussion when it comes to one being sick or dying. Ladies and gents, life has no rich, poor or tall or short, big or slim. When we Zambians fail to face these issues head on, remember we are either putting them off for tomorrow or they will in one way or the other come back and haunt us. Levy, Chiluba or even KK are not saints. When we attack Chiluba for stealing, don’t forget that others will also attack Levy for Nepotism and tribalism. I am not a funny of FJT, but I am not a blind follower. Nepotism and Tribalism to me is worse than stealing TO ME. Nepotism and Tribalism breeds civil wars, hence, I’ll never be Levy’s worshipper like Neddy and Authrity.
May God guide us to discuss issues intellectually without getting emotional. Clearly some pipo are getting heated.If you friend goes offside do not respond in a similar manner. Two wrongs do not make a right. Come on guys in darkness or in light respect Elders and show love and compassion to levy.
No one should ever force anyone to like a peson just because he is bed ridden. If kalos 2020 never in life agreed with lpm’s policies and way of managing the country, it surely will be hipocritical of him to sing praises of him just because his life is on a hook. stand by what you beieve kalos2020 and shed no crocodile tears if LPM goes back to where he came from,….. forever.
Please stop this godly thing. If you really believe in your lousy prayes, you should have prayed for LPM when he was still kicking fit in order for him (LPM) to wisely lead the nation into prosperity. Mweenze kuti? What will happen if Mwanawasa finally calls it end of the raod? will you blame god for not having listened to your tuma pempelos? I forbid all of you to bring about God’s name here if it is not meant to pray for the next president…. ata se!!!!!
Anyhow, some of you have just woken up mufuna munibele tulo, Kalos2020 it was a pleasure and indeed anyone who chose to differ on principle and argue intelligently, meanwhile all the best for Levy and his family. Nayenda ku gona.
#131 Abu, I see no one going offside. We will fail in our duties as citizens and ppl of Zambia if we cannot voice out the truth. Respecting elders does not mean not telling the truth about their failures. KK failed the Zambian economy and ppl voiced out. That was not disrespecting him, but in one way saving his legacy. Chiluba accused of plunder, ppl have voiced out, that is not disrespecting him and the cases are in court. I see Levy differently than others, does that mean I disrespect him? No. But I despice his tribal and nepotic leadership. Fear of death will not save you from dying sir/madam.
It will take divine understanding to take Mpombo serious, i find it so stupid to imagine Mpombo in his evenings of his life with our ancestor Rupia Banda crying foolishly in that church. To me it is not Zaza who spread the first rumour, it was those two guys. Traditionally you don’t cry when someone is in hospital, they triggered the rumour. They keep telling us is stable,bra-bra-bra. If he is ever improving then let him be taken away from that ICU. It will be best for the country if he is taken to a common ward. As a novists in the medical field the single mention of a Coma, ICU, Breathing operation scares me.
Good night!
Kalos2020: I agree with you on the issue of hating tribalism and nepotism. But I see it broader than your short memory. your Chiluba uncle was tribal too.It just happened that you were benefiting at the time or at least your Sibblings were…. Do not take it hard on Levy…esp at this point in time. Now stop pretending that you are anti this and that…Levy amifyanta natu Corruption twanu. Mwa believer….Ka. By the way he is recovering and is coming to do some more!!!!
Lesson learnt: Lets learn to be objective and criticise constructively whether the person in Plot one is our Sibbling or not.Let us have ONLY spectacles of a Zambian otherwise Kalos2020’s reaction to Levy’s anti corruption crusade is the result.Simply put be objective through and through not only when it suits you. You start getting offended even when pipo make an inocent statement like the one by Maureen in the US about not having completed her tour of the whole Zambia to mean something else in your world.She did not mean any segregation at least not with that statement. I was there too. Grow up chap and have a broader view!!
The problem with Zambian leaders is that they dont groom the next president. K had Grey Zulu as his deputy a man with little or no ambitions of ascending to the presidence whatsoever. FTJ throatled the whole process and scavenged for LPM when he was with his 3rd term.LPM followed KK’s route by picking on RB. What type of a nation are we? Perharps its ime the constituttion introduced the system of running mate. A vice president should be as good as the president himself just like a second choice golie etc. Look at ZANU-PF what is it without Mugabe? Thats typical of Africans. We have a problem. Lets learn people, acept and move on LPM wont be president for life with or without the stroke.
Just because one did it does not mean all must do it. I wonder if you support Levy’s tribalism and nepotism just because you heard Chiluba was doing it. Which in fact is a very doubtful nortion. If Chiluba was tribal, knowing that they cannot find any evidence of corruption or theft, today we’d be hearing it in courts. Do you believe in God? How about twisting it that God is punishing Levy for his hypocricy on Mugabe and the Chiluba saga. Remember he Levy let Shansonga leave for London and has not even made an effort to get him back? Remember Levy fired VJ over Katumbi but Levy today is in bed with Katumbi. Remember Levy expelled Ms. Moonga and left his nephew? Was yo God watching, may be so
Can someone please tell me about the succession procedure constitutionally? We definitely shouldnt put our hopes too hi for a person on advanced life supporting equipment(too sad). But Zambia moves on as nation and it needs a president capable of discharging the duties entrusted to him. We honestly dont need a ceremonial president. May I ask if Zimbabwe invaded us today, who would command our dormant Army to defend the country RB?
Kalos2020 my friend gud nite.I like it when your express yourself with so much vigour.Ha! ha!ha May God bless Levy to recover fully even as we look for an option just in case he fails to function. I agree with the sentiments of a running mate VEEP even if am now feeling sleep!!!!
#141. Your are really lost. seems u don’t follow events, Chiluba destroyed the country in every area, mines were down, Agriculture was down, corruption was rife from state house itself, the country almost went to war with some neighboring countries etc LPM set the country in the right direction, mines are booming, agriculture is flourishing, there’s investor confidence, fight against corruption etc. U cant compare LPM with Chiluba and Mugabe. Mugabe is a failed leader who has destroyed his country just like Chiluba destroyed Zambia. Hes oppressing his own people just like Chiluba oppressed many innocent Zambians. LPM has speech problems but he has brains to lead Zambia.
they don’t die easy, abakale, bakale
dont write bout your stupid thots here fool
#144 Don’t lie to people, mining was down under chiluba simply because there was no demand on the international market for copper. The boom in agriculture is due to the zim white farmers that run away from Zim to settle in Zed. They are the ones doing all the farming. In essence it means that with out the zim farmers, the agri sector would be the same as chiluba. LPM’s gov’t has got issues of corruption to deal with, one of which is rigging elections 2001 & 2006, LPM has protected his relatives from prosecution and the fight against corruption has been selective. Foreign investors are coming into Zambia bcoz LPM has sold the country to them. So is there a difference between LPM and FTJ? No.
There is also the issue of tribalism. LPM’s admin will be remembered more for its tribalism than anything else. I support what Kalos2020 is saying, tribalism is worse than stealing money because money is material, it can be replaced but tribal hate once planted will take many years to over come. Rwanda, Congo DR, Kenya, Nigeria, Somalia etc are living examples. We can’t allow that in Zambia especially when the vice is being pushed by the President himself. LPM has brought a lot of tribal division in the country. Chiluba’s admin had almost every represented and he brought us a lot of freedoms that Zambia didn’t have in KK’s time. Call a space a space.
do u remember how many people died around Levy…his mother, his two brothers, his sister, his aunt, his nephews… They must be a soul collector for the mwanawasa’s in a big hurry to do his job
Like the above is not enough, LPM decided to turn himself into a puppet of the West by attacking mugabe. Yes mugabe has messed especially with issues of tribalism in his country between the shonas and the ndebeles, that is the only thing I don’t like about mugabe, I support the land distribution agenda, that was historic and very couragous of mugabe to go against the colonial powers to free and empower his people. No one in Africa can compare himself to what mugabe has done for his people. The economy of zim is down because the colonial powers want it that way to spread fear in other countries planning some land redistribution agendas. The fall of the zim economy has nothing to with mugabe.
what we need are prayers for the family and mother Zeddy. God will give us another leader.
Wiser-China got unwise. You are really a Chinaman. Which nations wanted to go to war with Zambia? How did Chiluba destroy Zambia when in fact it was during his first term that ppl stopped queuing for salt, sugar, cooking oil, ubunga, and that was the end of the vigilantes that scared your nuts out of your pants. What are you smoking? Transportation changed. Taxes for agric equipment shelved. Taxes shelved for people to bring in buses. Ppl started to travel and venture into other countries without being investigated. What policy do you know of that is really authentic that Mwanawasa brought apart from No VEEP in MMD and protecting his tribesmen. ZESCO never had problems.
Zambian you take things so personal. This is a free site to praise or shoot down anyone. Some of you believe like you did go to school. This is called democracy and we are all free to say anything. Not anyone that says anything bad about Presidado then you curse…I share the same views with Kalos2020 and go aheard and curse me see if that will make you rich. You should travel around and see how others enjoy freedom of speech. Did I say travel? Sorry watch CNN or BBC since you dont have a passport.
I dont give a hoot about LPM or his family and neither do they about mine. So F*** the world!
P.S
Ichinto ati lets go and pray for him meanwhile you are the same pipo defiling abiche or cheating on your spouse or picking ihule ku cockpit
What has Mugabe done for his people? Killing twenty thousand in Matebeleland and the Midlands? Distributing land to war veterans and his relatives? Killing opposition party members and half of the country’s population running away from Zimbabwe?
If the land was properly distributed according to the lancaster house accord and to every Zimbabwean, and had Mugabe retired before 75 then he would have been a good leader. I am not discounting the fact that the British also partly renegaded on the lancaster house accord.
Chiluba is equally a bad leader who turned down the offer Kafue Consortium made for the mines and opted to sell the mines for a song- K90m only.
Cockpit: cock pit
I need all you guys in my new cabinet. You’re the best debaters and you know Zambian politics, iam making a line up for you Zambians on this blog. It’s sad LPM is drying and i don’t know what to say, if i send him good wishes, i will be insulted on this blog.
#152 get serious man, traveling to other countries? How may Zambians do? And Changing planes 3 times to get to a destination, What happened to Zambia Airways? Replacing UBZ with small buses where people are shoved like vegetables, is that a good policy? and importing SA products to sell in Shoprite an SA company instead of producing our own and supply NIEC stores.Vigilantees were merely transformed into Kaponyas and they are still at bus stations and they scare even more. LPM took over a wrecked country and has shown good leadership. Long live LPM.
#155 You ASK what mugabe has done for his people? Well to begin with war veterans and mugabe’s relative are all zimbabweans that he has empowered with land ownership. I personally know a lot of ndebeles who are also MDC members who have personally told me how the have benefited from land distribution because many of them own houses, something which was not possible before. Mugabe has been dishing out loans to help zimbabweans buy homes in all parts of the country. KK,FTJ and LPM have failed to do any of the above. DO you also know that the loans mugabe has been giving out is what keeps the country going through remittances?
HOW IS THE PRESIDO? I WAS SLEEPING
As things stand, there are more zimbabweans who have been empowered with home ownership than in Zambia and yet Zambia is supposed to be doing better than zim. When Zimbabwe gets back on its feet, Zambians won’t be able to compare themselves with zimbabweans in terms of empowerment and home ownership between the two countries which shows you that LPM has done very little to empower Zambians. The only criticism I can agree on FTJ is that his administration rushed the privatization programme too much. Most national companies should have been left alone like Zambia Airways, UBZ, NIEC stores and a host of other companies born in the KK era. But LPM has continued to sale Zambian assets.
Why doesn’t the gov’t buy health insurance for the presidents? This could cut down on out of pockect expenses.Mazoka had his own insurance.When he got treated in RSA, he did not come back and soften his stance against LPM.
Tracheostomy is ideal for withdrawal of mechanical ventilation in severe neurological impairment.In the neurological (ICU) when you are managing a patient who suffered a subarachnoid bleed and, despite appropriate therapy, is left with significant neurological impairment.When you worry that, given their severe neurological impairment, they may not be able to protect their airway upon extubation, and as such you better consider the merits of tracheostomy.early tracheostomy after trauma reduces ICU length of stay and number of ventilator days, and reduces the incidence of ventilator-associated pneumonia.So ladies and gents,i presume we better not debate on the issues of tracheostomy if at all
cont’
it was performed on H.E.LPM and as reported by Mr.RB that there is a steady progress in the recovery from the fore-mentioned condition.At least we hear that our leader is hypertensive,maybe diabetic and that he experienced a minor stroke at least twice.Lets put politics aside and bring in medicine,then consider ourselves handling the Man if he were our patient.In addition pray that he recovers steadily n’ timely but not in a rush cause there might be other bad out-comes in due course.
#152 I agree with you. Zambians have amnesia. I think the campaign to demonise FTJ has succeeded to the extent that many never see even the good he did. Similarly, they do not realise that we were under compulsion to privatise and we were serving loans that time and we were severely punished by the IMF and WB if we defaulted (I had a personal chat with KK on the matter). Because of FTJ’s policy and consequent satisfaction of the donor community Zambia reached a threshold to be forgiven on the loans. Any president KK and FTJ enjoying loan forgiveness could have been happy to initiate capital projects which KK admitted to me was always a nightmare.
Lets also try to reduce in the attacking of the Gov spokesman and the vice president coz they are not doctors,they are just politicians.Would we need much on how our president might be expected to be doing,lets consult ama docs.
Anyway i like your concerns,debates and contributions.God bless you all,including the lsktimes team
#163,164&166, enlighnten me on this operation made on the prezido, is it a hole made on the neck to allow breathing? or its just another type of minor operation that was done to easy breathing? How sure are you that its a tracheotomy? Has RB said it is a tracheotomy or again its pipos speculation
Those who still think that LPM will be fit to rule again are just ignorant and selfish Zambians. they benefit from him and they just want to use him alittle bit longer. But that wont gonna happen. what happened to sharon? where is he now? how long did it take the goverment of Isreal to make a decision? Wake up zambia.
Ministers are always intimidated and none of them can move that motion because they still think about puting there jobs at risk in case gets better. The first thing he would do is to get rid of mulongoti and those who would question his healthy.
Quite tricky, i checked on google what this tracheotomy is about. I think a person can survive but not speak properly and if this is the case for our president, then its better we start looking for a new one and a healthy and physically fit person who shud be young this time as we have seen that old people cant stir much of the talked bout development and so its high time we tried a young presido after all, Kabila and Khama are the new young turks we have on the scene
any latest?
Off topic but interesting. FRA spent 23billion kwacha on GMO maize. so who brought this maize and has it been consumed by the pipo?
Quick recovery LPM. We love u
#165 I see why you remain Anonymous. So you interact with former presidents, maybe you also benefited from FTJ’S presidential slash fund, that’s why u think the corruption cases against him are false. LPM’s pockets are tighter, that’s why some frustrated people just accuse him of tribalism. I wish him a quick recovery.
#174 wiser-China. What does being anonymous got to do with the debate or the contributions? Suppose he gave you his name, what next? Don’t confuse being anonymous to being a coward. I can give you my real name and my address, but that will not change my belief and how I feel about Levy. I have dined with all three Presidents, but that does not negate the fact that I am still an individual and autonomous in my thinking. Same could be with anyone on this blog. Does interacting with you on this blog make me your follower or a puppet to any blogger? In Bemba we say amano ubuche. Even if Levy recovers, what effect does that have on anyone of us, apart from those that will be attending to him?
Zeddy you are all over the site, what Kanama are you?
wiser-China, how different is it that you are using a pseudonym? Man/Woman, get a grip. If someone is a better debater and shows more logic than you, don’t threaten them. You are so Mwanawasa.
I have just read the home page for the citizen democratic party.They have chilubas characteristics.Firstly sweet language;citizens first,Beware of this even mugabe puts citizens first.When are they holding their convension we need to know as citizens who come top in their priorities.And they have a very strange phone number and adres.011 is this zambian?No raod or street name on adress.TAKE CARE!
CDP has the best colors on thier home page.But wait befor joining.Remember that benz on kwachamenia?
CDP we demand also to know your offices and the reg number of the interim president since you are yet to have a convention.
CDP can you remove this thing following the pointer on my computer.Its irritating.
Now take it easy.Give up this sweet post.Hand over and enjoy.
Is it true that Legal Af. Minister Kunda is travelling with LPMs children to France? Is he the right person to go? Educate me
To France for what? To be at the bed side again? Kaya. This is too much on the tax payer who has not even been in a plane.
May be the presido ate GMO meal meal from ZRA
BA Mwisho lesa alimibikele pano chala kuti musu’nge zambia u are a lovingi mani mwebo twakulamipepelako…
How come they didnt arrest malone who took himself to the embassy in SA? hhhhhhhhhhhhhhm fishy than ever now
come home so you reduce the expenses.
RB’s “stable”, “satisfactory”, “restful night” hullabaloo is beginning to get on my nerves. Why not just shut up when one has nothing new to give? He’s beginning to sound silly now for a VP. Why not just say something like…” the president is recovering satisfactorily, and in a stable condition after having a restiful night at Percy military hospital….This is a recording”, because that’s what it now is, a recording.
Ladies and gentlemen why are we being lied to by MMD? is it there a way of forcing the Government to reveal the truth legally? Can the legal eagles on the blog advise?
Some anarchists on this blog are intent on “killing” LPM on the blog on declaring him incapacitated from the blog. There is a constitution to be followed and safeguarded. What make some people think they have more superior intellingence & wisdom and than the state machinery. There is a VP and Cabinet is in place these can tap from the chief Justice, Regis Phiri’s ZISS, Defence chiefs, medical doctors etc. In FEB 2008 East Timor’s head of state survived an assassination and woke from a coma and spent several months recurperating in Australia. Suppose his vice proceeded to declare him incapacited and put a succession process in motion then he showed months later fully capable? What commotion
contd: Suppose his vice proceeded to declare him incapacited and put a succession process in motion then he showed months later fully capable? What commotion? Is that what you want. Mediocre decisions, Based on assumptions? So far there are no hard facts about LPM’s incapacitation. Fellow bloggers lets strive to UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION not making shortcuts. We are receiving a daily brief on his condition and that should continue.
I mean this sincerely, can someone medically qualified clarify on hypertension. Can a hypertensive person end up comatose? And I have read that hypertension can lead to a stroke, but in Levy’s case the stroke led to his “current” hypertensive state. What’s this reverse effect?
Its a shock how our government is handling information on Mwanawase. Why can’t we have honest and forthright information. Expert medical information from doctors than political information from VP Banda. State house need to accept that the President is a national institution accountable to the nation and thus we need honest information on the status of Lev not politics. Again VP and politiians must know that lack of honest information is breeding ground for rumors. And all they have done is come out to counter rumors of Levis death. Please can the post now dig deeper and inform the nation. So far rumors sound more honest. Is Levi in a Coma? This sounds more medical than simple operation.
Mwanawasa is fit he can even line up for goal drought chipolopolo. We love you LPM.
Theoretician.. you are a fool. We are getting tired by this RB-VP of yours who does not have any mandate from any constituency in Zambia.
I state clearly here that, this govt will need to start preparing for transition towards legality as levy remain in coma.
If you understand what risk analyis means…They better start thinking wisely, sooner or later..People of Zambia will have to force them to prove that they are not clinging to power by keeping LPM healthy a hoa..We need a video link to show our president is improving…Days are ticking.
Thank you very much to all those prayers and messages of good will to our president. However, I would like to inform our general public that in as much as LPM will be healed he will not have the capability to run the highest office in the land unless MMCI does that indirectly which am not sure whether you zambians will be keen to follow. Any way he has become more of the vegetable that he never wants to be called.
The late President had it coming, people around him where dying enmass… The guy just had a problem he couldn’t even get a police vehicle to drive his own Mother around. This contradicts all these tribal nonsense from Kalos2020. The man was just disjointed in his head
our can u do an operation when someone has BP. first story we were told that uncle levy has a chest pains, later he had a minor coma, then BP. now operation to improve his breathing. countryman, lets switch off the life support machine and find a leader to carry this country.
Look what you did! Now zamnet.zm has removed a link to lusakatimes.com from their website. Cowards that they are!
#199, the link is still there. I just checked and it works.
The term stable condition in an Intensive Care is none existant!!!! how is someone whoes stable having problems to breath????Shame on Mulongoti
The last stoke in 2006, how long was Levy away from Zambia? I want to know, does anyone know?
kalos2020 u’re ful of crap, u srike me as a bitter ***** who dont seem to appreciate life discuss issues as they laid down.dont joke arround with God.prayer is prayer and the fact that you do not acknowledge it does not change tha fact the God ans prayer.yah pipo like you will be forgotten 3 days after burial.
the nation may seem to have no ligible leader rite naw but trust me God shall not let us go without a leader.remember blessed is the nation whose God is the lord and we zambians are just that nation
It is has come to my attention that his daughter spoke to him on the phone before the operation on Monday. There is no point in concocting one lie after another about Levy being in a coma or brain dead. The bottom line is that none of us know anything more than what government has told the nation. Zambia will not reduce its poverty level by trying to pre-empt somebody’s death. We need to allow government to deal with this issue and report to us as and when necessary. We elected them to do so thus removing the possibility of alarming the nation for nothing and bringing chaos to our nation. If Levy does not recover, RB will inform us because this is his job. And by the time he does so, the gov
HK; I am no fool. Instead I am mature and alert to the fact that unity in African countries is held by a very very thin thread. We need stability and orderly transfer of power NOT the opportunism of ursurping power by capitalising an incumbent’s illness. I have the means to relocate with my entire family to another country should Anarchist like you turn home in into a WAR TORN sierra leonne. But I have relatives who I cannot carry with me besides Home is Sweet home.Level headedness, calm and cohesion is what is required You are hyperexcited about things beyond your grasp. If you think I am joking Try and do something along the lines you are talking and you wont know when or what hit you
#90 after kudwala so you still think he can come and rule you? Be realistic the man is as good as dead, just prepare for a new leader I only pray that it will be a peaciful transition to the new leader as have always been a peace loving Zambia.
My dad was killed by FTJ and his elements because we stood against IMF pressure on Zambia. My dad was arrested for writing an article in the paper against the IMF & neo-colonialism, and soon after he was arrested. He dissapeared for 4 days and was returned home by police. He then suffered with kidney and liver failure for a year before he died. Doctors said he was poisoned during the arrest! Thank you FTJ for taking away our dad from us! Because of this, we suffered finacially and emotionally, and i have lost both my brother and sister to HIV/AIDS!
204#.. What kind of idiocy that is that he spoke to his daughter. If he did so, Why cant he speak to the press…Wenye!!!!
RB has limited Mandate, and therefore he need to be carefull with his family tree Cabinet and how the handle this levy Trueth or lies.
An informed Nation makes informed decision. Keeping the Zedian in suspence is a danger to our Nation. Remember the MMD without LPM is just shell and RB is just an appointee of levy to both Cabinet and Parliament.
We are capable of looking after Levy in any state for his Family while they hope for his wokeup..We love levy, but not more than we love our Country which we all should hold supreme over any individual..Dead or Alive.
If Mwanawasa is dead or alive, it should not change anything. He has people in place who have made remarkable improvements to your economy where your former leaders had failed. Zambia has a good Finance minister and Governor of the Central Bank. These people have worked tirelessly to bring prosperity to Zambia. The important thing is not to discard what Mwanawasa has left for you but to carry on till the fruit is ready for reaping.
Yeah #199, the link works just as always
ths kalos 2020 man ,it feels great to express your mind but from the other side i see u re hurting u kept on writting til morning u cldnt even sleep i feel for u coz pipo most times who dont sleep have issues,wrk hard as levy wrked so hard to got where he is now.dont jst open up your mouth and critize no one z perfect
Theoretician..If you are paid by any state machiner to threaten this HK..You are wasting your time..
While you are talking of relocation, I have no need to do that because Zambia is my country,wr or no war, I will be there.
Why run to another country..is that what you are trying to do by prolonging your hang to power while the legaly mandated person is in comatose.
This HK has no time to waste to people who are afraid of their shadows and keep hoping and hoping instead of finding solution..
A life an individual is not any supreme over the masses..U can take HK’s life, but never stop the trueth..It will catchup with you..Where is FTJ, and soon Mugabe…
You guys have a lovely country and good people. It would be a waste of a state to alarm the nation over issues that have not been substantiated yet! Learn from the west! Leaders die and others take over. This should not be a problem. In the interim, I think your leader is doing fine. The hospital he is at, is well known for accomplishing medical tasks that many others fail. Levy is definately alive!
you might have talked about this but i would like to know the hierarchy of power in the Zambian constitution.
who comes in after the VP? Is it the chief Justice or the speaker or maybe we dont have any such close in the constitution?
I am not paid by anyone.I just dont want Zambia to go the somalia way. I certainly think it wont. You say LPM has no mandate. So who has the mandate? HK? NATIONAL INTEREST IS WHAT LIES AT HEART.
#209 Thanks for +ve contribution.
In Kaunda days one of the Generals now trying to be a presidented let loose his muscles and made his trousers wet at city airport after he was reigned in from Zaire by a fellow general.
Yes off course you are not a coward, so go try and what u are saying. Action speaks louder than words.
pipo stop pretending when levy was up and about you used to criticise him. you called him all sorts of names now that he is bed ridden you are all up and about praying for him. Your prayers are just hitting the ceilling and can not heal him. Let him pray for himself as well. Pray for yourselves. I agree with Kalos2020 no hard feelings if you are against his policies say it. if he is a tribalist and it hurts you stick to your principles why change now. foriegn media has been mute on his illness something fishy. RB is in Zambia and keeping u posted vuka. all the children are going to france why?
#204 In ICU and can speak? Why didn’t RB, Mulongoti confirm this conversation and how long it lasted.
#213, Zambia is a young democracy.. We have Parliament which is evenly distirbuted. The cabinet can not continue to rule by decree over a period of time..They need to seek mandate from the people.. We need Doctors and lawyers to look into this issue.
What we need now is the time frames…
sooner or later more voices will start questioning..RB has no clout and I doubt commands any respect within and outside MMD.
let us be realistic…Inform the nation the trueth and let the pipo decide..The Hatchet/Matchet syndicate Theoretician is proposing to silence the HK will just make it worse.
Chiluba surrounds himself with Satas, Chungus, Chitalas, Kalumbas, Bulayas etc he is not a tribalist. Mazoka surounds himself with Sikotas, Sichingas, Tetamashimbas, Muntangas etc he is a tribalist. LPM surrounds himself with Chulumandas, Bandas, Mwapes, Shikapwashas he is tribalist. Sata gets majority of followers from the bemba speaking group he is not a tribalist. HH gets most of his support from Tonga speaking group he ia tribalist. Ha ha ha. My two simple equations in Zambian politics are: BEING BORN BEMBA AND ITS DIALECTS = NON TRIBALIST while BEING BORN TONGA AND ITS DIALECTS = TRIBALIST. Somebody somewhere must be selfish, he he he…heya.
Theoretician…You seem to chase shadows.
We are past that stage puting hopes in Generals you are talking about..
The constitution is there..What does it say.
This is not about families and friends. This about the wider Zambia.
Dont think Zambia is so blessed…hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
#219 Mimi UK, Its a simple fact. even all around the world, politicians get support from their home towns. For us, its just that we are associated with tribes. If it wasnt for that, we would be identified with home towns or provinces
Certainly chiluba was/is a tribalist. That is why some of us ran away only to come back when he was out. He is OUT! That that puny theif.
#220 HK: Calm down my brother/sister. We are just ordinary bloggers with little or no impact on the turn of events. The people that are entrusted with taking care of the nation are busy and concentrating on the tasks ahead.
Meanwhile dont follow my advise about action speaking louder than words. I was pulling your leg. Good day!!!!!
Stable condition it is then. am just waiting to see him in the flesh. then i will say he is tike myson!
Apart from being a tribalist he surrounded himself with ghabengas like sata. So he was a tribalistic thief!
Levy is the best president Zambia has ever had. He has been trying to get the country back to its feet, a difficult challenge. Kaunda was lucky, his was only to spend wisely and sustainably the abundant cash and revenue left by the colonial govt. Chiluba’s task was extremely difficult, to offer a transistion stage by which policy could be reversed thru radical changes, injurying a lot of souls along the way to change direction from negative to positive growth. Levy’s performance has been superb in that within a short time, he revamped agric., fought graft thereby impressing donors and investors and stabilized inflation and currency value. May God bring Levy back to continue this path, Amen
lol…vitendeni mwe! tribalism is something we cant run away from. As a tonga man, i will see that the southern province gets 1st priority b4 i go to luapula. its just how it is.. now deal with it.
Chilubas job was not difficult. Designer suits and outings with someones wife nuku pasula the maize field. Sata was go between for chiluba and nawakwi so hear.
#219 Thanks I was waiting for that posting. Why is it that most Bemba’s accuse other tribes of tribalism?
apparently even Kalos2020#43 confirmed in posting#175 that he is Bemba.
Tribalism is demonic!
I visit other countries blogs, I must say our debates and discussions are so narrow minded and shallow. Go to BBC or CNN, people discuss things, which make logic. We have opposition views yes but, they must be logical. There is nothing much to learn from Zambians on this blog honestly. We must be takling about the way forward after Levy, what we need to learn from this for the future, medical requirements for Prez must become more strigent etc. But all I see are insults, disputing what Veep says about Levy’s condition etc. Why are even blaming Zaza and Thabo when you not anything different with malicious statements?
Next president should be not be selfish like the past two and the current one. just imagine if it was your father who was sick where would he be now. Thats why the so called politician should focus all the resources they are spending in foreign hospitals to emprove theres. How much has tax payers money has LPM alone has consumed? Is he better FTJ he has accused of stealing? come Zambians, wake up and address this issue of rushing these fellows to foreign hospitals.Bring him back to UTH period
Hello everybody out there. I posted something on # 192, please help.
Bring LPM to UTH so that he faces what he has done for his country. What could have happened if it was you or your father
The only way to achieve serious and logical debates on this site is if LT intervened and censored against any form of abusive language. As it is this is a free for all type of avenue. Try as you may to sound reasonable someone is bound to insult you. This is the cause of this apparent shallowness. However, it is clear that this site has many intelectuals who given the right atmosphere would deliberate freely to th levels that you see on other sites.
#233..wish i cud help mate. i have no idea. maybe we shud also consider consulting traditional doctors for the president.
coming frm a tonga! we know u
It is true #231. Most contributions leave much to be desired and one just wonders.
It is high time we debated issues from our heads and not from our hearts. I think we can do better ladies and gentlemen.
Peace to you all and our lovely land.
The best form of defense in notorious prisons is to fake madness. There are chaps who smear themselves with feaeces to keep even the most notorious criminals abay. Bad language, insults, unbelievable user names, rantings and the like just act as feaeces to keep away unreasonable or even reasonable attack. LT is a kin observer of how capable people are to insults and attacks.
Freedom of speech does not man unfettered freedom. To mistake this would mean freedom to insult which is illogical. There is no absoulute freedom in this world and that is why there is order in creation. The very reason for sin is freedom from any moral restraint. In future, looking at the way things are going, I will not be surprised to see gangs of thieves protesting and advocating for freedom to steal, murder and the like. Fettered debates are not only civilised but educative and positive. On the other hand uncontrolled, unfettered debates under the guise of ‘Freedom of speech’ are dangerous and could lead to serious trouble. The tongue as small as it is can cuase a huge fire the bible s
You guys a very dissapointing. In Europe where i come from, a leader who passes on is history and we carry on. You guys seem to have a bitter hate for your leader. It is a shame because he has done better than all your past leaders yet you dont recognize this. If Zambia falls into chaos, it is because of people like the ones who have posted rubish on this site! Maybe you need a European to show you what civilization is all about!
Is it not paradisiacal that respect and moral restraint results in good. Even among enemies, respect must be practiced. He who does not respect his enemy is bound to be beaten by him. In chess, the moment you under rate your opponent, the higher are the chances that he will beat you.Fellow bloggers let us respect each other and show level headedness for in so doing we will build each other up. In disrespecting ourselves, we might be just digging a big grave for ourselves.
Its a shame! I concur with Bjorn. You guys demonize Mr. Mwanawasa like you did with Dr. Kaunda, only to find yourselves begging for food under Chiluba’s leadership! Civilization is something you have yet to learn. With this attitude you might aw well give the country back to the Queen so she can send Mrs. Chalker to govern you.
I agree the tongue small as it is can build mountains out of small anti hills. Look what Zaza’s tongue have cause or build out of his small tongue.
#245 Fooor saaakeee! how dale you suggest us to give our beloved country to your long noise queen again!
If Dr. Mwanawasa dies and leaves the country in the hands of people like the ones who have posted rubish here, you will surely suffer like you did for 10 years under FTJ’s rule! I concur with Bjorn and Mike that you need to understand what civilization is all about. Going against your own government when it is doing so well is not civilization. Even though many of us did not support the war in Iraq, we still supported our government. This is what makes Europe and the USA so different from Africa and the rest of the world! Civilization!
#241 U R A chimbwe!!!koswe!!!!mbuzi!!!!!!chigabenga!!!!!u evn ve the decency 2 insult @#$%$%*&()*)_(_)+_+|+)_*&&%^^%$#%$$%#!
237, you would make more sense by posting something contrary from what is coming from a Tonga. I can also say, reaction by a Bemba, we know you. That is not to say, I am a Tonga though, I was just airing my observation at 219.
#246 Thank you for educatin some of the non thinkers! I dont understand where they are rejoycing to hear that the president is sick. My God bless this man and survive this turmoil like he did in 1991 when he had that deadly car accident. God bless Zambia and have mercy on its people
Ala #243 U R ALSO A CHIMBWE, KOSWE, CHIGABENGA, WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO SUGGEST SUCH UTTER NON SENSE. MAY ALL THE SHIKULUMBWES BE UPON YOUR FILTHY HEAD NOW AND FORVER!
#245 (anonymous and/or coward) It is abvious that you lack the basic understanding of civilization. The Queen can teach you this before you mess up your country with lies and unfounded hate for your leader. Shame! Remember that Europe and America did not get where they are today because of your narrowminded thinking. We got where we are today because of unity, respect and civil obedience. We created rules we follow and we dont turn against our governments over nonsense like the stuff you have posted. Its time to grow up!
Mwamona nomba mwe ma foolish bloggers, now even outsiders like #241, 246 and 243 can see how divided we are. How many times should we preach unity? Enough is enough, all Zambians must unite for the benefit of the nation!
#250 I have not insulted you. You insult yourselves and your leader! What a shame! This would never happen where i come from. Its no wonder we have to keep giving you aid every year! We balance our budget with our own taxes and you guys fail to do the same. Instead you come begging for more aid because you cant feed youselves. I have lived in Zambia and I speak Bemba so dont think i cant understand your insults! I am just more civilized thats why i dont retaliate like you do! Go read a book if you can!
The Business of the day must go on, with or without your President Zambians. Days have gone by and yet you still havent moved on to important things like how your country should now move forward. What you must realise is that the President does not own the country, like the Prime Minister does not own England. Yes do pray for the quick recovery of His Excellency, though do so, only so he recovers to spend the rest of his days with his family. They need him more than you do. The reality is that many of you are exercising a great deal of ignorance: no disrespect to many of you, who at this point seem to think with your emotions and not your heads.. You need a New President, Its not that hard.
I’m bored with insults on this blog, no objectivity, only individual bragging and assults.Do we need foreigners to tell us to grow up? Insults just exposes some shallowness … adios.
For heaven’s sake there are no outsiders on this blog. Those parading to be outsiders are just desperate liers.
Y would a non-Zambian be interested in what is discussed here? BaBrown baoneka sibazoona!
BTW: IMF and IBRD did not pressure FTJ into selling the parastatals! Your government failed to run them profitably and suggested all by themselves that they would privatize them. They were supposed to have been sold as going concerns but instead, they were looted and empty shells were sold. Your government failed to deliver on its commitment! Dr. Mwanawasa on the other hand, has met all his commitments and obligations. This is why your country is doing well today! Is this so hard for you too see? I worked in Zambia for what is known as DFID today!
And you Chambwelakumanda (alias, Micheal Brown) shut your mouth. You talk about looking after yourselves while we depend on borrowing from you. Shame on those you represent, after ripping Africa of her wealth you have the audicity to open your red mouth. I order you to shut it now or speak about the desperation in your assumed nations of obesity due to much chocolates, depressions and lack of love or humankind. For why else would one throw their parent in a so called nursing home and wish them dead coz they are not valuable to you anymore. We are talking about Levy coz we value each other and human life as whole. Leave this blog and face your own problems head on atase.
I think updates on the president’s status of health should be handled by medical personel, not the VP!
I live in Zambia and I am married to Zambian woman. I do a project with DANIDA ending 2012 to meet MDG’s.
I wish to agree with #254 onlooker, I feel that the right direction that we need to start looking at as Zambians is who should be the next President. With dew respect, i don’t expect LPM to come back to active politics. The man has done a lot and its time for him to have some rest so that he heals completely. He still has young children who needs him more than many zambians. We have to be realistic, with his current condition he cannot immediately come back to the office with the same enthusiasm that he has demonstrated in the past. My learned colleagues in the medical field would agree with me on this one as the prognosis may entail innactivity for some time.
Bjorn #261..and that imformation is useful here because…?
Niwakuti muzungu uyu kanshi(241)…ankale chabe kwa mene uko!!!
#259 That is your opinion. Remember, you took over the mines from us in 1970, you ran them broke and now we take them over from you and run them profitably! You called us back when you failed to run your mines because you spent too much money buying big cars and flying around the world. We work within our means whilst you consume beyond your means! This is why we are forced to give you aid every year! Dont blame me or my people! Blame yourselves!
Well said #254 and #262. Change is inevitable.
I said shut up and go solve your problems. Should you hold us at ransom? No wonder Mugabe is mad at you, its a pity its the Zimbabweans who feel the pinch. Leave Zambia alone and go get your mother from that stinking home. Taumfwa!!!!
Iwe chi mimi iwe! #267, you are in the UK and yet you are talkin like that?!?!?!?! look in the mirror ala! come back to zambia if you hate there way of life so much or just shut up! ALA!
May God continue to guide Zambia in this period of uncertainty.
251 You 4got to add slavery and opression to your list. In as much as the west did in order to progress, the foundation helped a lot because the labour used by then was free/ slavery. At this time Zambia has tried & we are still working. Zambia we will continue to build Viva KK, & Viva FTJ & Viva LPM. God Bless Zambia
Zambian lets remain united, even you who are outside Zed be it Europe, America or where ever lets continue working and bring that money home n build Zambia, I was in RSA n now am building my Great Country.
Is Rupiah Banda praying for Mwanawasa’s recovery or is chance at presidence
Mr. Michael Brown:
1. You have no business to comment our issues, you are a serious out-lier.
2. America is what it is today because of hostilities and uncivility of your monarchy and the rest of Europe, unless you have not read your history.
3.Your foolish Britain is just a stooge of the US, could you have stood against Hitler.
4. You very stupid, don’t think all Zambians are illiterate!
Iwe chi Chanda, there is no mirror to look into. I am only here to pursue my studies and am coming back to my sweet mother land. I am just benefiting from the wealth they got from us although for your information, my country has paid money to have me study here, it’s not for free. You sound brain washed by these people Chanda,you need to be exorcised I will pray for you. Can’t wait to come back to reality. Have ever had chance Chanda to experience their lifestyle back here??? If you did you would understand me.
#246 mwebantu ta mwaba na chisuma, how dare you say you suffered in FTJ’s rule for 10yrs ninshi hes the one that made you stop linning up for food i bet you are a youngster who was born in the 90’s who does not know how your parents suffered, thank FTJ for everything hes done for you and you family.
pray for levy so that he comes back as a normal person not as a retard
#261Whats your problem with the VP giving updatesa?As you know very well the VP is not in Paris he therefore the updates from the very proffesional people.LMP is no ordinary person therefore any info regarding his condition need handled with care VP is not a liar and he has no political benefit in doing so.It’s time you minority scared Zambians using this bld behaving sensibly.You behaving completely uselesslyYou think are the only kyaps who know how to debate.Thank God only a tinny number of people read your rubbish otherwise some of you were going to be stoned alive!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will not recommend this site to my non Zambians friends, even foreigners like Bjorn realise the rubbish being posted here. No wonder we end with leaders like Chiluba and Katele (God forbid). I am sure if people on this blog had to vote for a leader, Intergrity, honest, hard working and committment will not be the requirements you are looking for. Levy is the best president Zambia has had. I know KK deserves respect. If you are disputing what govt is saying about Levy do your own research, phone the hosipital or sources in shusshu and find out. I guess if he is discharged, the story will change from being sick to a holiday in France.
Shidada, no one cares if you recommend this site or not, oops you just did! Not everyone is the same, or like you, so if you want to go to a site where you’ll find people with no opinion other than that of yours, then make your own site/blog! carefull what you say or it jus bites you right in the…
#231. Shidada, Windhoek, Namibia
Dear Blogger you like foreign things and not your own. Just shut up if you cant learn here. Maybe you should ask your father to contribute while you go outside and play with your friends. Do your parents know you are on the net
#265 IWE ICI MONA UKULEPA – you have no right at all to dictate to us of what to do with our country or worthy. We love each no matter how much we trade insults on this blog at the end of day we are neighbours’s keep and we love one another. Abash outside inteference. Who invited your opinion about our country. Go and discuss the issue of how many youths are knifing each another in your country. KOLOKOBWE IWE!!
what this site needs is an editor…to filter out the insults and all…
#280 Zimbabweans once upon a time, not long ago, would have said the same words you are saying: “we love each other no matter how much we trade insults..” , its sad to know that you agree with the trading of insults. Thats not love my friend, well atleast not the way I know it to be.
All you bloggers are on about LPM this, Chiluba that, KK so and so. Someone out there give me a name of a President without issues on his name.
“283. Junior its past your bed time.
Fellow zedians,our country seems to be in a criss,yesterday,George Mpompo said our cabinet is stable without being asked.
Our MMD chairman at a meeting that was held in Livingstone yesterday said the following:-(copied and pasted from daily mail)
Mr Mabenga said while the MMD was still strong and was enjoying the support of the majority of Zambians, it was important for the leadership remain united.
He said President Mwanawasa had worked hard to unite the party and that the leadership was praying for his quick recovery.
Note that without being asked, another govt official said MMD was still strong(Past T) so we dont know if it still is today,his statement went on saying, “it is impo
#241. Bjorn Haekser,
From your name you sound like you are from Serbia, Slovakia eastern europe. We have have nothing to learn from you my friend. Your country men maimed and killed each other. dont come lecture us about leadership. If you’re not from these countries tel me know where yuo’re from and I will give you your countries History
Why same story?
“it is important for the leadership to remain united.
If the MMD is still strong, why ask for the leadership to remain United, why even worry about that?
Are they divisions already in the party concerning the way forward?
Stories on the ground are – there are 17 potential candidates in MMD. The VP
ruled out as he was born in Zim. At moment Shikapwasaha is trying to call
the shots and he seems to be is in charge
Hi everyone.
Bjorn Haekser actually sounds Scandinavian and I think there may be plenty to learn from them. His comments were very valid (apart from the European leader bit :)) and constructive. Take it on the chin like a man…
Ba Shikapwasha nechimoona chilya kuti bateeka? The oxygen can finish in Zambia.
I’d advise that chap Bjorn Borg or whatever his name is to stay out of our internal affairs. Careful, this is how you end up packed in a 25kg National Milling bag and sent back to under the rock where you came from.
Be careful. We can bruise you.
Michael Brown (whether Zambian or not), Thanks for the words passed. Obviously, you are right on many aspects and I can only hope that the wiser ones on this forum will take on board a thing or two that you have suggested. Speaking with our emotions and not our heads is definitely illogical under the circumstances. Insults will not draw any logical conclusions. Don’t fall into the trap of attacking and insulting on this forum because it’s taking away all the attention mot of us are paying to you and all other civil contributors on this forum. The rest re worth ignoring
Thanks
#282 Ba Chanda you are too qurrelsome for my liking! Most zed are neighbours or workmates or best friends, but they are busy insulting each other unknowing on this blog, but they cannot kills each other once found out that they were trading insults to each each. Peace bwana Chanda!
Has anybody managed to pull out the Zambian constitution that directs us to how a president can be declared medically unfit and what happens fter nthat?
Hi everyone,
All you do is comment and insult each other. Do you ever work, you numbskulls?
we can only speculate who will be next and for sure not Shikapwasha. May be Miyanda, HH, Sikota, Prof. Chirwa and Maureen according to Tentamashiba.
# 283 a presido without issues is French Pres Nicolas Sarkozy. ha ha ha ha ha
How soon can we goo to an election? Do we need to wait for the next one in 2011 if the case were that Mwanawasa is medically unfit to rule the country?
This guy Bjorn Haekser is very stupid – I have just read what he wrote. He thinks we have no brains to run our country. You are so stupid and you are an *****. Iwe niwe wingatukontolola ifwe. U full.
And Mugabe!
Come on, I don’t even know my a$$ from a hole in the ground!!!
Definately not HH, SIKOTA, CHIRWA OR MAUREEN. MAYBE MIYANDA
#286, I must correct you because you really seem to be a Junior.
Bjorn is a typical Danish name but also widespread in Switzerland and Germany. Haekser could be from Germany, Finnland, or other west European countries but not Serbia.
Anyhow, it matters less where someone is from but his words. If it takes a foreigner to point out the dark stains on this blog, I don’t mind. The voice that speaketh truth imparteth wisdom!
#296 Yes i have the Zambian Constitution
#291. 10 Steps backwards
Excuse Mr/Miss 10 steps backwards. Everytime you talk you’re taking us backwards..
#293 Mr.Wanna be Bin Laden, only fools work with threats. There’s no need to be hostile to foreigners here. That’s Xenophobia, in case you did’nt know. Why not fight with word power? The pen is mightier than the sword…come to my school of articulation and learn how to defend yourself without insults or threats.
Awe bane insele shafulisha. Lets avoid this and concentrate on discussing issues maturely. Some of you need to know that Under the United Nations Human rights everyone has the right to exopress themselves, and remember zambia is a signatory. So no Insele.
Lets look at two issues. Mbombo has just indirectly mentioned that there is a crisis in cabinet and Mabenga has also said the same but only in MMD. How do we ensure that we prevent this crisis from spilling over streets of zambia ?
HIS EXECELENT THE PRESIDENT LPM HAS A LONG LIFE TO COME .STOP SPECULATING AND FOCUS ON REAL ISSUES.THE PRESIDENT IS COMING BACK IN THE RIGHT FRAME OF MIND TO CONTINUE WHERE HE LEFT.
BEST WISHES MR PRESIDENT
You guys am now confused what are we talking about? Is levy surfering from brain damage, is it hypertention, is it broncuities or is he dead. So many stories about minor operations. The other thing a minor operation is that of a pimpo and not cuts being done deep into ones flesh. GRZ Tell the trueth. Zaza may be rite. and why not send spys to arrest him. Dynasty is the major factor of GRZ not telling ZED the trueth. LEVY dn’t die before telling us a credible next of king.
Its nice to finally post something on this blog. Zambia we ae getting somewhere. Like in any other society there is bound to be +ve and -ve contribution. In time we shall find confortable ground
About blogger #241. Bjorn Haekser, you are descendants of uncivilised Vikings who raided villages, killed, raped and enslaved for profit. So you must look where we you come from before opening your lousy mouth.
The reason you work here is because its much better cash than working back home. So you personally should be greatful to us. And there is no one giving Zambia Free Aid. We have to pay it back you fool.
The procedure involves making a hole in the throat through which a tube is inserted to assist breathing.
Medical experts say the operation is routine, but will make it more difficult for the Patient to talk.
According to CSO, time-related UNDER-employment is estimated at about 85%. There must be truth in those statistics, because instead of working, y’all just trading insults on this thread.
This is the most useless blog. Did you see on 11 september 11, how Americans came together and united, do you see how other countries unite when they have a national crisis, all you useless Zambians are doing to to disrespect, one of Africa’s best leaders. shame!
#234 I agree with you, its only KK who has confidence in UTH, the next Govt will make sure that the likes of Mpombo land there.
#265. Michael Brown,
One leader in History more guilty of Uncivilised behaviour is Britain’s Queen. They are the architects of the greatest crime against humanity the world has ever seen nor will ever experience again–The Slave Trade. It beats Hitlers Nazi by far.
And no! They did not give it up willingly, we had to demand it. If it was not for the conduct like you’re critising now, you guys could still be living in our prime areas while we squeeze for space in Misisi. We got our freedom Through taking a tuff and uncompromising stance. We know that freedom can never be given free by the oppressor it must be demanded by the Oppressed.
i see one of you guys i here having a stroke too and there won´t be any Egypt or France hospital for you.Why take things personal.
All i know is that FTJ is now old……..finished and dead too just like the other guy.e need wise men now to take full control for the hr is now.Who dat???????????
call for freash elections,thats the way forward for Zed at this moment cos if there is some crises in cabinet…..thats the only tym these guys p there will use any opportunity to stel and make them bellies full,big and round.This happens just to be a wake call,me luv mother zed from the bottom of my heart.
#318, minimise mbanje
Zambians are just a banch of *****s, sometimes its anoying to realise that I am one.
They claim they are very educated but have failed ro run their own companies. All they know is to spend and buy big cars and houses at the expense of the company and many Zambians.
Look at Zesco, zamtel, these companies are run by 100% Zambians and look at what services they are giving to the people? water companies its worse, Zambia has to much water for people to have 3 hrs a day of water.
I will never employ Zambians at any expense.
Its amazing how they are wishing the president is dead, *****s.
Ati Zambians are very educated when they use the white mans knowledge. Imbwa zituntulu.
#241…what is the civilaization you wanna talk bout?Inna Europe the only civlaization i have witnessed is paying tax and putting your noise where it isn´t supposed to be,Live Africa issues for Africans to sort them out. You have your civilaization that Hitler them brought to you guys.
Mr. Brown, sorry I came abit too hard on you, but it was because of your tone in some of your contributions which kind of belittled us Zambians. Be abit more careful next time and remember within our poverty we are proud and love each other. Sorry for language tho.
#320…..me try but can´t help it.
Hey RB,
Excuse me Why are we sidetracking from the Main thread;
“Levy Recovering Satisfactorily after an Operation”
We have not had an update past 18hrs, thats why. Do you feel me. The nation is waiting. You dont know what you could be cooking right now Mr. VP
#323. Mimi, UK
You are quite some compassionate babe I like that, an apology on this blog from a Zedian.Cute!!! We need you at the home front and not at the battle front, you’re too faint hearted. And yet civilised Brown is so civilised it will take him a 100years to apologize for demeaning us. Thank you MIMI UK
#321 You too!
Thanx Zeus, in just a few months I will be back home sweet home.
#326 The lady is afraid she will be chased from the land of whites only be4 completing her education, hence apology!
ok can anyone give me an honsty answer is LPM alive?
Problem with Zambia and our politicians is that we stick to the old and known ones and fear paving way for a new generation of politicians. This has led to the recycling of policies and practices since 1964. Same people; different day, under different political parties. When we get new ones, they only serve to be heard if they are associated with old timers in politics. I think, (passionately) that the older generations of politicians should leave and only serve to be advisers/consultants as and when required. Many have a streak of wisdom in them; but power has corrupted most. Younger generations have to step up. Less chanting from picket fences like this blog and more positive participation
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I find it quite sad when most people on the forum keep quoting the old politicians who have already been tried and tested- already guilty by association with any of the previous leaders; as potential replacements. I do not blame the contributors; but I blame us as a nation for not tackling the question of leadership development at an early stage in our academic and socio-cultural upbringing. We shouldn’t wait for moments like these ones to think of potential candidates that just spring up from without in their middle ages and dream of getting into politics.Politics have to be learned; they should grow on people. It just shows that we are not moving in a positive political direc
# 331/332 that’s food for thought…
Kalos #97,you can not call anothers mother Stupid nor matter her mistakes.You can not say this to your own.If you have any sense of what is wrong and right this should haunt you.
Tuesday, 08 July 2008
MEDIA STATEMENT
Following the minor operation yesterday afternoon (Monday 7 July, 2008) to improve his breathing, His Excellency the President of the Republic of Zambia, Dr Levy P Mwanawasa, SC, is recovering satisfactorily.
His breathing is much better and Dr Mwanawasa had a restful night at the Percy Military Hospital, Paris, France.
The President continues to be in a stable condition. The treatment has been adjusted to take into account the minor operation.
ISSUED BY: HONOURABLE RUPIAH BANDA, MP
VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF ZAMBIA
DATED: 08 JULY 2008
No matter what you say about Bjorn or me, our countries give a better living standard and we do it on our own taxes. We dont borrow from anybody. In fact, we lend our excess tax collection to you in addition to our long term savings. So only a buffoon would bite the hand that feeds. This is why you all want Mugabe to retire. Levy will survive but if not MMD will find new leadership and a general election will be held. Life will continue as it is right now…unless one of the buffoons on this blog decides to get into office… then Zambia is in trouble!
Mr Brown, I think there are many that will take exception to you last statement; “unless one of the buffoons on this blog decides to get into office… then Zambia is in trouble!”. That’s uncalled for, considering you are also blogging on here
# 321 it is you, Mr Brown and Mr Haeslkey who are a bunch of *****s because you are belittling Zambians. Why should it bother you to see a Zambia driving a posh car which your father or relatives cant drive in Europe. It is a matter of endowment, choices and opportunity costs. There are abundant opportunities in Zambia and most people canafford to buy cars because they have disposable incomes. We also have prioritiesbut you cant force people to drive fiats to save for future consumption. Yu gat to know the lifespan in Zambia. Get educated!
I know most of yu guys have hard times in Europe!!
I come from Denmark. I love Zambia but my wife wants to live in Denmark. Why do all you Zambians want to live in Europe? Dont you like your own country? I love your country and I think MMD under Mwanawasa has done very well. If Mwanawasa is to part with us, we must maintain the same government or the country will fall apart. Slowly the rewards of fiscal discipline are trickling down to the poor. Give it another 3 years and Zambia will be a changed place. But to achieve this, you must continue where the New Deal leader has left off. If he recovers, then this whole discussion was for nothing! Wasted time and resources!
#339 Are you sure of what u are saying?
Anonymous, do not take my apology to mean weakness okey. I always apologise when I feel that what I have done or said has injured someone. I think there is strength in that. Apparently I have absolutely nothing to fear and all that I said to Mr. Brown is true eccept the language was abit dry, thats all. So ba Annonymous ngamuli bakuwe tebonse.
#211 kc, sorry that you think the time in Lsk is the same in California. My time is 09:00 AM Pacific Time. What is yours? Neddy #334, Grow up my friend. Emotions on behalf of Maureen or Levy will not solve your problems. # 202 Beit Bridge, pray all you want. Does God need your prayer to heal Levy? How come He let him go into coma? Just to hear your prayer? Come on. Your bible says He knew you before you’re born. He sees what is in the future. How come He let him go into such a painful and emotional condition to some of you? If you want to discuss prayer or the bible, I am game.
Lefi tali bwino. Money Banda na nona ukuteka Zed.
Kalos 2020, I wanted to comment on this post you made in defence of Chiluba “Wiser-China got unwise. You are really a Chinaman. Which nations wanted to go to war with Zambia? How did Chiluba destroy Zambia when in fact it was during his first term that ppl stopped queuing for salt, sugar, cooking oil, ubunga, and that was the end of the vigilantes that scared your nuts out of your pants. What are you smoking? Transportation changed. Taxes for agric equipment shelved. Taxes shelved for people to bring in buses. Ppl started to travel and venture into other countries without being investigated. What policy do you know of that is really authentic that Mwanawasa brought apart from No VEEP in MMD
Where as it is agreed that Chiluba made a few changes in the provision of goods and services, we should also look at the fact that these reforms were made at the expense of something. First Chiluba and his Government clsoed zambia airways on account of losses, which airline was making a profit at the time, British Airways, Kenya name it were literally being subsidised by their Governments, and this was done because he was eying Roan Air with his colleagues. UBZ was smoked out of operation by his Government, now I am yet to find a nation that solely depends on the private sector in such a critical sector. About the Goods, tell me, where did Chiluba run to for the provision of goods, South…
My dear Kalos2020#342.Iam not emotional am just tring to tell you that it is not right to tell somebodies parents stupid.I wish you with your intellect mind to be more intellectual.You know what Kalos,when in darkness we are blind because there is no light to shine and when the light shines we see what is before us.Kalos,you cannot measure God by your standards and thinking you are mere man and blessed to have life.When you go to bed and close your eyes the mind shuts without you awareness only to wake up at a specified time in the morning.However,you are on the right path for searching the truth keep on my dear beloved for you have a calling which you may not understand now.With love.
Contd 345 … Africa which at the time had abolished aparthied and the goods in South Africa were readily availble and that is why if you remembre the first trading shops were from south africa because of the lifting of trade sunctions; in other words Chiluba just found himself in the right place at the right time, on that I beg to disagree with you with due respect. Thirdly you talk of agriculture this guys destroyed agriculture, he removed subsidies on the production and left the private sector to provide the market, that was very bad economics if you ask me, because leaving agriculture to the private sector is like leaving health to the private sector.
Contd 347… about him being a tribalist, I do not know, I am quite blind to these things, a cabinet can be full of bembas, as long as they deliver for me that is the best thing that can happen to our country. About Levy and his policie, I think the re-introduction of good agriculture policy has stimulated agriculture to the extent where even when the other nations are complaining about food crisis, I think we are sufficiently above board, I thought I should just cite one example of what LPM has done that Chiluba never bothered to address.
Yes, some changes needed to be made. When MMD took over the govt, Zambia Airways was a dead airline. Due to the fact that it went under does not mean Chiluba killed it. If the nation had no money to rescue it, it had to go. With regard to UBZ, When KK went and purchased TATA Buses, that was the time UBZ died. Do you recall ZAMCABS? UBZ and govt lost borrowed money. TATA bus was taking 2 hours from Kitwe to Mufulira, is that business? That didn’t just kill UBZ, but also was a detriment on how business is run. By the way do you remember Capt. Kawanu at Zambia Airways? How come we don’t discuss thousands killed and maimed by UBZ with no compensation? It was wrong for govt to be business.
Mwiinga, unfortunately you are leaving out the fact that I have mentioned here that it was Chiluba who lifted taxes to bring in Agric equipment. That by itself did not only help farmers, but reintroduced farming as a commercial sector. When farmers in ZIM lost land, they saw the opportunity in Zambia. Now lets look at the Minister of Agric. Mwanawasa dropped the competent Lozi Minister Mundia Sikatana on health reasons, but has allowed to keep his fellow Lamba (Kapita) to draw a salary as Minister of Agric while he has appointed another Minister in the same position. What does that tell you? Levy found a well built foundation to grow the economy. Chiluba found absolutely none. But he made it
# 304, if you read in between the lines “politically”, do you honestly think Miyanda has any influence on the current Politicasl scene? Information and talks on the ground, i mean on the streeets of Lusaka is that most people have expressing a soft touch for HH due to the fact Sata has since disappointed most of us through his inconstinces in his way of politiking and the fact that he is also sick might go down the same route LPM has gone. he has also lost touch on reality due to his aging.
forget about Prof Chirwa and many others, they are not hear physically and this is working against them. do your home work and come bck again we educate one another.
I agree with Bhaps, HH has a chance but he has to work extra hard.I didnt vote for him in 2006 elections coz i thought he was immature but am impressed with him over the maturity he has displayed since he came on the scene, he has actually managed to show people what it means to have descency in politics 44 years after independence.Thats why Sata is jittery of him because he has taken his place politically.Let him not relux tjough otherwise he will be overtaken by events.
My friends time and purpose must be understood.I believe that Kaundas purpose and time was for liberation and building a foundation where Zambia should have started from.Were as Chilubas was to recollect what kaunda should have done both of these presidents ruled in ignorance of their purpose and time.Mwanawasas rule is in the mess of both the first and second republic.And so far he has tried though the progress is artificial and will not last because there has never been a begining for Zambia.Until we know and understand that when the path is not clear one has to go back from the begining where one started from.
#349 Kalos2020 You really are a piece of work. Is it something personal or what? Chigayo? Threshing everything yo path.
Every president has built up on the previous ones efforts. For example, privatisation was first studied and introduced to parliament by Fin. min. Gibson Chigaga in 1988 KK admin. FTJ came in & took a promising policy and implemented it badly. There was improvement in imported products on our shelves. Mwanawasa, also picked on deals that where started by FTJ, he has instilled fiscal discipline. But dont be cheated, the real worker here is this Magande guy. Too bad he’s not Presidential material. But his world bank and IMF experience as employee there is bearing fruits back home. Viva Magande but, 4get about running for plot 1.
Chiluba is a thief and a marriage breaker who could not even control his family. He cannot even boast that he defeated the great Super Ken as any ony who could have stood as president on MMD ticket in 1991 could have been a president. Like what HH said, we put a monkey to be in charge of the maize field.
#354 Zeus, No my dear. It is passion and search for truth. Every leader has failed in one way or the other, but it is folly for us to heap praise on one knowing that they really did not do it. I have said time and again that I am not a funny of FTJ, but for sure he did something positive for the nation. When we denegrade some past leaders for the sake of it, we should also understand that those that we support will be scrutinized just the same. This discussion has gone for too long probably helpful but at the same time has become personal to others. More especially those waving bibles as a means of scare. The bible as I understand it is not for that, but help and reshape the paths.
there’s a new thread to post on moving there now….hola hola
May the good Lord continue giving our president power and shrength to recover each and every day that the Lord brings forth. Get well soon LPM
Thank God Almighty. May your holy name be praised en in Jesus name we believe. Wish quick recovery to HE LPM SC.
#356 I get a feeling that Kalos you hate God and everything that is Godly. Am I right or what explanation can you give Kalos. I shudder at some of you comments about God and the Bible. Wouldn’t it be better for you to leave out divine issues in your contributions coz you are really treading on delicate ground. Just thinking aloud.
Mimi, God is not harsh as you want Him to be. If someone asks logically and you fail to be logical, that in itself does not mean they are not Godly. Nobody hates their creator, but those who want to inject God in every nonsense they fail to explain. You guys have tried by all means to scare others with God. God this, God that. How wonderful will it be if God would even give an ear to you fools. I have not evoked the name of Jehovah in my arguments but have referred to your failed arguments just as such. Who told you that God loves Levy? How do know what Levy does in darkness of the night? How do you know may be God has decided to save Zambia by removing him from office? What are you smoking?
You guys want to use God as another form of witchcraft. Sorry, it does not go that way. The issue if you followed the debate or the intellectual posting started by mean arguing about Levy’s Nepotism and Tribalism and consequently, who will pay the medical bill. Now, do you think ulufyengo is Holy? Levy has shielded his tribesmen, fired Ms. Moonga and have protected Shakafuswa. ZESCO is dead because of his tribesmate. If Levy is HOLY as you believe, so be it. Somehow your foolishness is getting into my nerves. But don’t show me that bible. I know what is in there. Your empty heads does not even know that there are other religions. Suppose you were born in Saudi Arabia. Plz Mature.
Kalos2020, but even when Chiluba removed taxes on farming equipment don’t you think he would have done well to instead invest in subsidising the 600,000 peasant farmers who by chiluba’s macbinations lost a source of credit when Lima Bank and Cooperative Bank were closed due to Penzanomics as they were fondly called. I do not think it is wrong for Government to be in business, Governments worldside are in business one way or another, my preference would have been that we revive our public sector such as transport and agriculture and get involved. But later the same Chiluba who u assert did not inherit something, I beg to disagree, Chiluba found institutions that had he not been full of…
… of hate (contd 363) for anything that KK had created, what happened to the Contingency Plannint Unit which Chiluba later replaced with the now below par Disaster Management Unit. Let me tell you why I think Government has business in business, in 2006 or 2005 or 2007, the drivers of the blue buses went on a strike and guess what the whole nation came to a standstill beceuase we did not have something like ZUPCO, PUTCO or UBZ, basically the country was held at ransom. Second example Chiluba closes Namboard but opens a new institutions he called Food Reserver Agency, so Kalos what are you refering to by Chiluba not having inherited functional institutions?
You see, those ppl in those countries that tout their religious books you call them fundamentalists, what do you call yourselves? Now, about the bible, the 1st Testament calls the Jews the chosen ones. Jew don’t believe Jesus is son of God. The new testament says no one goes to my father but thru me. Jesus said. Are you saying all Jews, chosen ones, wont go to Heaven? I would like to know you guys personnaly that when we meet in Heaven or Hell I lol. You want to turn God into a scarescrawl. If that is how god is, then don’t shove him in my throat. My God is different and will not answer or respond to every nonsense like Mwanawasa used to do. So, Mean or is it Mini, grow up.
Mwiinga, you caught in a rage with this mimi thing. I am sorry for that. Yes, Chiluba inherited some form of businesses. But as you be aware, govt is supposed to facilitate and create a condusive environment and stable political atmosphere for investors to have trust in investing in an economy. Chiluba did not just do that, but allowed them to thrive hence the growth we see today. Investors are jitterly to invest in economies like Mugabe’s becoz they don’t know if they will own that business tomorrow. Chiluba couldn’t finish all the programs, but as I said UBZ or National Service did not function as some of these were total disasters due to socialism and communism. Recapitalisation of such
Kalos2020 are you agnostic or aethiest?
ctn. was to take funds from other sectors and pump it in failed ventures. That is not how you run a business. Yes, the govt has a place in business, but not to be a competitor with investors. Lets give another example. Do we use plate, cups, and breakables in Zambia? The answer is a resounding YES! What happened to Zambia Ceramics? When govt fails to run a business venture, there’s a tendecy of getting money and feeding the failed ones. So, in short, I would agree with you that The Govt can be in business, but as partner, and only in strategic industries. Probably if you showed me one, I will conceed. But I don’t think agric is strategic. Food Reserve is. What happened to FIAT kwalibing?
kalos 2020, I will not get involved with the Mimi dimension, I basically respect what everyone stands for, I subscribe to Christianity, I had an agnotistic boss, I had an aethiest lecturer, I had a few friends who were traditionalists, I know a guy from Zanzibar and south sudan who are animists so I would rather hold on to my beliefs and not challenge the next person.
Mwiinga, I am full time christian, but I am entitled to my opinions and I will not close my mind to one thot.
FIAT got closed, I think the operative word here is making these industries professional; look at what has happened to ZESCO, I think the bigger issue in Africa is poltical interference which because we have failed to manage ourselves now we are being given conditions, to the extent where people think ZNBC should be privatised, now that is going too far. Anyhow I hear you but I still think food production atleast in as far as support to peasant farmers who apparently produce the bulk of the crop cannot be left to the private sector. On Chiluba, I am sorry Kalos I am ver far from being convinced because what I know is that those were 10 wasted years for this country (my belief)
As usual I was asking you so that you are not quoted out of context, do you remember the question “do you hate Mwanawasa?” Yesterday and from your answer yesterday people understood the principle, I am not qualified to judge you, I was just asking for contextual reasons.
If have observed, I have not posted on Rupiah Banda. I don’t much about him. Anything I could say about him would be speculation or outright a lie. Hence, my noncommital about his statements. I have sat and dined with Levy, Chiluba and KK. KK has even dined from my own plates, but that will not constitute into me supporting some of his failed policies. Chiluba did send me on duties abroad, that did not make me his funny. Levy wrote letters thru Mulando (Senior Private Secretary by then) about me, that will not change my thots about his lifestyle. Zambia had great people like Hon. late Dr. Shimaponda who I will always respect and feel indebted.
Mwiinga, I don’t know how old you are, but frankly, if you remember my statement yesterday, I called you a coolant. Your experiences and maturity in understanding discussions does not only make this blog great, but enjoyable too. Others use emotions and leave the issue, go gropping in the darkness. I will tell you this. My mother, still alive and God bless her, taught me one thing. She said my son, do not be open like a cup. It accepts everything. Hot, cold, beer, water, tea, coffee, and if misused, can accept urine. I will never be like that. Not everything that ppl throw at me sticks.
2020 tell these peeps! Am with ya ma brotha am feeling your vibes. some zedains are tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo emotional, they are so used to ZNBC contributions. I have said sooooooooooooooooooooo many times that I dont give a hoot for presidado. Yes! I said it I dont give a hoot about him, wife, kids, or his relatives. I just pray for who? Some of you hypocrites even went to pray for him to get healed-are you crazzzzzzzzzzzzzzy! Since when did you ever pray for your relatives in the village, youths without jobs, children been raped, a grade 10 failing to pay for exams, a blind person under Kamwala bridge, a widom crushing stones in chawama, a tasinta trying to put food on the table
you are praying for a person whose children go to school abroad, wife shops around the world, eats 7 meals a day, driven around in cars and does not have to worry about gas, goes to UK for yearly physicals,buys stuff abroad and doesnt pay tax and can bring in stuff more than anyone in zed, a person who is in france coz of my tax contributions when my father died in zed without leaving UTH…………sorry but F*** that!
What? what!
(Just dropped my mic on the floor)
I think we should do videos on youtubes….ABENA 2020,SALLY,MIMI, MONK, AFROCENTRIC what you say? I will pay for the webcams
Umulilo wabeba pa LT….its getting hot in here….gangster exits like Jay-Z…Sally and Kalos2020 mulapota guys. I am impressed beyond words this is the fresh air we need around this site.
Kalos2020#? Am forced to answer again but for the the last time.Have only chosen to do so because it is very important than any issue here.Kalos,if you believe that Jesus lived and was born by virtue of the holy spirit then you will not dought anything.Those born in Saudi Arabia moslems if you like are represented by a figure head born not of spirit but of parents like you and me.They too Kalos,believe in Jesus Christ and call him Isaa in the Koran.They believe in his conception as that of the holy spirit,they believe that no one can go to paradise if not through Jesus Christ.They so much call upon Muhammad with a reason that he is the last prophet amongst all.Just this reason and no other
Sally, I am telling you these ppl are so myopic. My father died at Kabwe General Hospital from BP. He was in the hospital for four days and they had not checked his vital signs. On the 5th day, sister who is a nurse travelled to after struggling with her boss to give time off went and found out that my father was dying of BP. She is the one who did the vital signs. Politics aside, don’t you think we need better equip in our own hospitals? Don’t you think the money being spent on Levy can create a huge facelift for UTH? Sorry guys, pray all you want, but tomorrow it will be your niece, uncle, brother, sister or even parents in those poorly equpped hospitals why they fly around for a cold.
Neddy tap a nap and come back later coz brohum you are missing thetopic
Neddy, will Jews go to heaven? And if so, thru who? I am not going to ruffle some feathers here, but let us not discuss the birth of Christ. Only Joseph the carpenter know the truth.
I am behind you man. France niyake mudala let them feel what we go thru mumashusi where the nation does not pray for us
Ladies and Gents, some of you have misunderstood the concept of blogging or have not understood how it is to be downtroddened. When Levy got sick, no one of us caused it. How many times has Levy been told to lose some pounds? These guys go around the world and fails to buy just a treadmill or a bike to exercise. Compare the price of a treadmill to what we are now being subjected to pay. I will tell this, the true goal I seek is far beyond the aggry field of what is killing Levy, but fairness, competency, truthfulness in running govt, and most of all the prevention of tribal frictions that come with Nepotism and Tribalism as perpetuated by Levy.
#374 mid thirties, I take leave it is midnite here, I know for you it is 3 o’oclock I am just watching Jesse Jackson apologising to Obama, how moving. Adios Amigos 2moro is another day.
THANK YOU, all of you guys. You have been a good spot. Mature blog today than those who wanted to turn the blog into a scripture union. I love politics and I promise you guys I will show up again when things get heated. Good nite to those that it is already nite time wherever they are. May you sleep peacefully and wake up with a lot of energy to work. I have to go pick up my kids from school and library. Enjoy.
HH did a lot of damage to Roan Antelop Mines. He clearly proved to be a selfish. He took his group to the mines and they did all rubish. He can not get my vote as president
kalos2020 or shall we say Carlas… Your credentials are immaterial here. Dont use who you had dinner with to strengthen your points. Be your own man. Besides we cant verify who worked for nor are we interested, if you want recognition go to “Oprah” or “Let the people talk”. Lets assume you really had dinner with KK and Ftj. That accounts for your big headedness. You see, when you mingle with high profile ppl (that you clearly look upto) upclose and find out they’re just human’s. You start imagining yourself being more fitting than them to lead. You sound like some frustrated chap, I was beginning to like your contributions but now, you’re getting out of hand. You even want to speak for GOD. No Man! God is above board. As for Levy, God will not break his own rules for him.
Levy’s medical expenses. There’s nothing we can do abt it. We just have to pay. Dont you know even in aunt colonies workers work themselves to death for the sake of the queen. Think abit abt that maybe you grow some senses. All creatures on earth follow similar patterns.
“IN LIFE WE ARE ALL EITHER KINGS OR PAWNS” So grow up and get behind it.
You watch Oprah? Wow, you must be a sissy. Real men don’t watch such shows. They read books. Thank you PAWN.
Zeus, it is either you have a resume or you don’t. When I gave those examples, intelligent ppl knew in what context I mentioned that, seems you did not which in short makes you to be short listed on the opposite of intelligent ppl. Nobody speaks for God, but those that what to force Him to bring Levy to life or some kind of normacy. What is so intriguing is how some of you with such shallow mindedness can even afford a computer, let alone know how to use it.
Leadership represents the people therefore it should be financed by the people. A leader must be given the best treatment that tax can buy because he represents the people of his country. This is why Sata was sent to South Africa, Mazoka to South Africa, KK to South Africa and Dr. Mwanawasa to the UK and France. This is normal and not something to bicker about! You can not run a successful government by cutting running costs. You gain true success by generating more wealth!
Chiluba had is easier that any other leader. He inherited companies which were leading producers in the region. ZIMCO was listed as one of the top 20 biggest corporations in the world! He destroyed these companies because he was not educated enough to understand the concept behind privatising “going concerns”. He figured that the companies ought to be looted first and then sold. On agriculture, FTJ reduced taxes but also allowed cheap imports of maize stock! This literaly killed the industry! Local farmers could not compete with cheap imported (subsidized) maize from Canada and the USA.
Talk about Agricultural demise in 1994 due to unpaid promisory notes??? Promisory notes where issued to farmers because government had misappropriated the funds allocated in the budget for food security. The last of these notes where paid 3 years later! This killed the agro sector and Zambia became more dependent on foreign food aid like never before. Our taxes in Europe were being used to subsidize poor economic management in Zambia. This is why our government did not support the 3rd term bid. It is because we realized that FTJ would bring no good to Zambia but Zambians could not see this!
KK did some wrong things, some good things as well. FTJ did the same, so is LPM.
Very true! I worked for DAI in Washington and we tried to help prop your agro sector with no support from your government. They were quick to sign agreements but very slow to implement on the agreements. As a result Zambians suffered. It was only during the Chiluba era that Zambia first witnessed widespread deaths in rural areas due to “starvation”. DAI worked with USAID to bring “relief food” to the affected areas because government has destroyed all means possible to prevent the catastrophe. Without relief food, some 30,000 Zambians would have died in a pediod of 3 months!
And chiluba is demanding a plot. Well give him one in jail.
It is about weighing good against bad and not about forgetting the bad and only remembering the good. Every leader has a good part and a bad part. We know coz we have had over 50 and Bush proves this every day! Chiluba sold some 40,000 houses in urban areas to sitting tenanats yet he starved over 1 million people in rural areas by giving them promisory notes. Which is of greater impact here? KK’s good out weighed his bad and Dr. Mwanawasa’s good totally outweighs his bad but Chiluba’s good is completely and un equivocally out weighed by his bad! We impeached Nixon on much less than Chiluba had done!
This is true. Every year we see DANIDA giving millions of dollar to Zambia because the country can not support itself. We never see Zambia (ZAMIDA) giving to Denmark because Danes can support themselves. But under the administration of Mwanawasa. the government is asking for less each year. Instead, it is asking for direct investment through partnerships which is something new and more successful in Zambia. The team of Mwanawasa, Magande and Fundanga has proved to be very faithful and comitted to the country’s development. Mwanawasa would be a very great man to lose for Zambia as well as Africa!
Typical in Africa! The whites band together and the Africans fight each other. Its no wonder we cant develop ourselves. We learn nothing from what we see in the west yet we want to live like they do. Its time to put tribe and hate asside, and start working together to develop our country. If Levy goes, we need to carry on and assure our nation remains on the this path of prosperity that it has embarked. Long Live Levy (L3)!
#393. Michael Brown says,
Who told you that Zambians could not realize that FTJ was no good for 3rd Term. We opposed it not you. Try to be descent my friend
And who are these chaps, Micheal Brown,Jonathan Anderson and Bjorn Haekser?
Katele Kalumba Said “ministers who did not have official party functions should stop making statements”.
I think indirectly he was telling RB. Who else making statements is not MMD. What happened to his wizardly antics anyone knows.
Zambians voted for FTJ’s puppet in 2001 didn’t they? It was just fortunate that what they thought was a puppet actually had a brain of his own and has brought prosperity to Zambia. Donors funded the oasis campaign and the NGO’s uprising against the 3rd term. At this time, Zambians were not queuing anymore to buy stuff because they had no money. Instead they were window shopping! Face facts Zeus! Face facts!
ONE ZAMBIA ONE MWANAWASA. AMEN
BA LEVY BA LIFWILE BANE. KWILAMBA KU BOTU MUSA.
fellow zambians much as some of you out there want to agree with the browns and all the others posing to be foreigners we still have a duty to support one another.we could have made our mistakes as blogrs on this blog but that does not give them the rite to insult us.The so called browns ,Bjorns etc they also have to show there civallization as they respond to our debates because i see no difference betwn them and all the blogrs on this blog
zedians lets all remember that these pipo need not bragg on how developed ther countries are because all that the are and have is because of africa.they call it Aid and wat ever name they wat to call it but i say we’re getting wat is rightfully ours.
mimi go for it, i know you top the class and continue showing them that we africans are intelligent get all that you can from there and come back and develop mother zed the best
Zambia is bigger than and will outlive Mwanawasa. Zambia should never be equated to one dumb arse fool who refused to take medical advise and retire from politics. I do not see what the great fuss is about. Mwanawasa will soon be gone where he should have many years ago and Maureen is already being screwed by another dude. Next topic please.
401. CHE GUEVERA
Micheal Brown,Jonathan Anderson and Bjorn Haekser are chaps who think they know better than us. I say they’re neo-colonialist. We pay them from Aid money which our children will be paying back all their lives
How come we have not heard more than 1 sadc country wishing LPM a quick recovery? do they know something we dont know.
No matter how long the truth will have to come ou
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kapaso what are you talking about?
He must have suffered a massive ventricular bleed then flown to France intubated with low GCS. One does not sit in ICU and have a conversation. One would be in ICU unconscious but haemodynamically stable. A week with the tube warrants one to have a tracheostomy. Wake up people,start thinking of succession plan and stop moaning and growning
Kalos 2020. Since am a fool, then we really have nothing to talk about. I thought I approached you in a civil way but your response leaves much to be desired.
Kalos 2020 I have just read all the nonsense you have written. Is there any insult in my contribution at #360?? I was only making a suggestion to you. Have you seen me making any reference to God in my other contributions? Not at all becoz I do not take the name of the Lord in vain. Why are you so enraged then?? Am I missng something here? Anyway the saying goes that ‘an hungry man is an angry one. You transfer your hatred of Levy to me. Nay, it wont work. You sound so desperate. Not worth wasting time on.
Am told RB is an FDD card holder who doesnt have an MMD Card!!!
please make objective contributions for the benefit of our Zed
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Levy Recovering Satisfactorily after an Operation
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Mimi Uk,dont bother yourself entering into unproductive arguments with kalos 2020. if he is a sensible person, am sure she shldnt have been pushing his stupid argument this far. if he was near near, i would have blown off his head long ago so that he faces judgement day early.
Bhaps, you make sense. This man is so bitter coz he failed to manipulate Levy as he did the other Presidents and now he is wallowing in poverty. I pity his wife and children.
Typical Zambians EMOTIONAL!
Praise God Levy is getting better but what’s the way forward after our president is out of hospital. Sikatana was given the boot on medical grounds.Levy is a very hard working man and for that we appreciate but for his own good, I think Levy must retire from active politics on medical grounds because work has started taking a toll on him.
sad palya ponse mu icu
How long did Sharon take in the ICU? What of our local presidents like Nyerere and Kamuzu? These people took long in the ICU and their deaths were not pronounced there and then but stories were cooked especially for Julius that he even called his family from the bedside yet he was already dead.
The best is to forge the way forward so we dont necessarily go backwards. Mwanawasa is not indispensible and so he should at not time hold Zambia’s leadership core at ransom. Why cant he resign from office if he is not well enough to withstand the pressure of sitting next to Mugabe eeeeeeeeeh?
#409, i am of the idea that these chaps are brain dead too. From nowhere ati shinga shingo ko. Muchinje ba mwansa kabinga ba Anderson, Bjorn naka nenu
am now begining to think that maureen is the one in control of levies life. until she says stop being presido, thats when levy is going to stop otherwise ni ka dollar maureen alefwaya pantu she remembers that if levy is out of office, she is gone coz bu lawyer bwakwe bwakutintila. how many people has she defended in court? anso maureen alepona sana pa unza-ubukopo fulu fulu mu katwe kalya.
Violence on the web and the blog. That guy just outshined you in logic and debating. Guys, get a life. You are still debating an indivividual? What does that tell us about your intellect and maturity? Why don’t you go blow your nuts.
#427 anonymous. So many anonymous bloggers. dont u have guts to make up an alias? tell u the truth, even if u said anonymous by not typing your name in the name box, you still have an IP which can be traced back to the pc you r using. so stop the rot of anonymity here.And which commoner are we still debating on? U think Levy is just an individual? u better check up your head coz am thinking you too are brain dead and you follow suit on the dead alive
#420 Mimi. I feel my statements got into your pants. Let go and find a man to scratch your silliness, you know what I mean. #419 Bhaps. Wow, is your violence some kind of inheritance? Are you some kind of Al Qaeda? You may belong to Guantanamo Bay. Believe me, I will never be scared of punks like yourself. Failure to reason and argue in most cases lead to violence and threats to others. Mimi, if you think I am wallowing in poverty, how about finding out that you guys are wallowing in the shallow waters of mediocrity? Those who mention others being in poverty of having problems are 99% victims of what they think others are going thru. Sorry, I will not argue with you on who is in poverty.
Ba Che, what difference does it make with your silly psuedos you use? I can give you my name and address if you ask politely.
Katele disowns Tetamashimba. I think there is more than meets the eye here. Katele was quiet, now he is alive to the fact and now takes over as MMD national Sec. But why shud govt leaders like RB and Mulongoti go to Katele to ask for permission to speak about Levy? Unless am reading Kateles mind incorrectly. Fellow bloggers help me on this.
Tetamashimba just said Mwanawasa shud choose a successor but Katele tells him to shut up. Katele is finished. He wants to take zambia to the kaunda and chiluba era where these two leaders failed to groom a successor. KATELE is self confessed NYELA.
Kalumba alecita campaign.
431 what is nyela
Nyela means indoshi or wizard.
kalos2020
You are typical loser. You attack the person and not the Topic. U say you’re in the states. Please get a life!!! Are you studying or you are an economic refugee. Mimi’s postings are superior to yours. If you’ve been to school you will know to discuss subject not object
Zues you point been what? you sound like someone broke, has been laid in months and above all has no passport
lol
You want to demean mimi by mentioning her pants. How did you get to work for two Presidos when you have no decency. Oh, maybe thats how come your ass got kicked out. You’re just celebrating your failure.
#420 Mimi Uk
Gal never mind this Kalos2020. From looks of things he’s a wanker. Just reading your posting makes him think about your pants. Please concentrate on your better-than-his postings, we cant help him. He had a rough childhood
#420 mimi uk
As for #436 Pete, we can just forget about his inability to read and discern. He’ll get over it.
Zeus am sorry if I offended you
Bjorn sleeping with a Zambian doesnt give you the right to insult us. You claim to work for a Agency and yet you break the rule your contract states:- when you work for such an agency – DANIDA you cant involve yourself with local politics as this may be interpreted as you speaking for your country Denmark. What you are doing right now is against ethicals of an Agency, like DANIDA. But your countries send us un educated persons as part of the aid package.All you are is part of the funding package imposed on us.”If we want aid from Denmark? Coondition-must employ their unqualified country men” So keep stay away from this website as you are unwelcome here as well as in Zambia.
brothers and sisters, lets take a break and discuss something sensible than attacking each other for no apparent reason. Remember, its Mwanawasa, the presidcency and the way forward for zambia, not clamping each others throats. want to end up in the icu so that your relatives come to your bed side? no, we need you alive and fit to the bone.
Brown and Anderson your behaviour is why you are at war right now. You do not know how to mind your own business. You always must have a say in what other countries are doing. You have appointed yourselves presidents of the world. What is it about UK and USA that causes you to be so nosey? The only language you understand is Mugabe’s treatment. No one is interested in your so-called facts all we are asking of you is to keep your nose outta our business. This website is just for Zambians. we have heard enough from western countries that we are so sick of thier ideas which do not even improve thier lives. Having money is not everything more so when all you have is rotten morals. Believe
meI would rather be a poor Zambian with morals than have all the riches with no morals. From your views you have no idea what you are talking about. It is very easy to have a view when you are an outsider and not been touched by the facts. You may have visited Zambia or worked for a company that deals with Zambia but the fact still remains you are not a Zambian and have not been touched at all by their problems. The best you can do is stay out of the Zambins website and get a life! The world would be such a better place if everyone minded their own business. Fellow Zambians (real Zambians not fake ones)the fact remains is RB telling the truth? If not whats our next step???
#419 Bhaps. Man, are you a terrorist. How come you want to start blowing up people’s heads? You cannot just start uttering such words on the blog. Tell us, what are you? This is really scaring to hear. Where are you from? We know for sure we have no terrorists in Zambia, but who knows as people mingle they get lost. Kalos2020, I am with you. If these guys want to blow up you up, they will have to blow up the all entire bloggers who did understand your arguments. These guys seem to be scaring others as a form of communication. Bhaps, is Mimi in your terrorist ring in UK? You seem to be communicating and supporting each other in every way. Are you two using this blog as a communication tool?
Tetamashimba has touched a live wire and soon we may hear him being expelled becoz he has brought the name of levy into disrepute. Ba Kaunda Lembalemba, failure of a man why should you demonize Teta for a timely word? You think Levy is God who lives forever? Noooooooooooooooooooo. What Teta is saying directly is that its time up for Levy as he is a bit on an unhealthy side to continue the presidency and why do you want levy to continue as presido? I know better coz u were a failure in Mufulira and the national as a whole. So you resorted to bootlicking Levys shoes. Grow up Lembalemba. We need fresh blood in state house and Zambia should not delay or stop moving just becoz levy is ill.
LPM himself is to blame coz he seems to have the mentality of KK and Chiluba, not leaving a successor coz he thinks 2011 is very far away. Mwamona nomba situloko yamwikata.
Now Kalumba and Teta will start the duo race for plot one. Teta campaigned for Maureen but now its like he is not interested. Kalumba was quiet but now he wants everyone to talk thru the normal channels. Mulongoti and RB have equally stopped making updates. So the days of darkness are still lingering over zed as now, no one really knows the truth.
We the people who made the constitution would like to know
Anonymous I do not want to step on your toes. As for Kalos 2020 I will not respond to you anymore coz you are not worth it. Guaging by your CV of presidents you manipuated, you are old enough, fit to be my own father but it looks like in your case there is absolutely no correlation between your age and wisdom. I will not insult you as you have chosen to insult me coz God forbid, however I will pray for you.
#450, do u know that any one who uploads a blog on LT without some form of identity gets the name”ANONYMOUS”?Try it yourself and you will be shocked. You may be attacking some anonymous person who is different from the anonymous who has been quoting you.
I have just tried my post is proof of #451
#441 Pete
Apologies dont come easy on the blog, you’re real humane Pete. Apology accepted. Thanx
Mimi, when you get entangled with situations that you know you cannot disentangle yourself from, find other ppl to help you. When I started debating the issue of tribalism and nepotism by the current Levy Administration, I was 100% within my boundaries. When you guys try to shove your beliefs in others, it is could be likened to Jihad. I am not here to apologise to anyone, more so those that don’t deserve my apologies. When you team up with shad ppl who want to blow up others then you should know something is wrong with you. When you subcribe to their beliefs, you are either an enabler or a perpetuator. The danger is who are these ppl trying to blow me up? Is it that terrorism?
You have since you joined the blog diverted from the topic we had. How do expect others to respond to you? You want me, as you call me older, agree to your scriptures or your bible thumping statements? What is wrong with me or others having manipulated the other two former leaders? Yes, I am entitled to my opinion. And if your opinion with your friend Bhaps is to blow up ppl, that is between you and the authorities that monitor such activities. Let me tell you, I am really confident and trust the US security system. You will not blow me up. And I am capable of debating every issue as long as you don’t bring in Jihad or blow ups. Should the authorities ding dong your door, thats yours to fig.
Some of you guys come on the blog to just offend or when you fail to blog, wnat to intimidate others. Sorry. Jesus, the Man you throw in front did not come to false ppl to believe in him. You guys have said several things about my blog against my belief about Levy’s Nepotism and Tribalism. I have not lost my temper or insulted anyone. But when you see one not responding your way, that does not mean you have to threaten them or demean them. I was fully offended by your inclusion of my family who have suffered for and still work hard for. But I never mentioned it. But when you mentioned blowing me up and knowing that some of you guys are capable of such atrocities,
don’t you think I should be able to answer back and probably inform the authorities that we have dangerous ppl walking the streets of London and Bhaps, we are yet to find out. Sorry, somethings you don’t say them as you guys did. Do you expect me to keep quiet about such utterance? What if it is true Bhaps does blow up ppl? Sorry, if you think such statements are welcome. But believe me, in this day and age, you don’t trust everyone and you don’t take everything for granted. #440 Zeus, I did not have rough childhood, but I can confess, I was taught to question and prob. Probably thats why I have no friendship with Levy your saint.
Some of these kids don’t know that public figure can be insulted, criticised and ridiculed. They are public figures. When did you hear Mbesuma even when we have called him names respond? They chose that life and that is a consequency they have to bear. When we come on this blog, we are in essence forfeiting our privacy. But when we include people that are not on the blog, then we are closing that thin line. So, Mimi, referring Kalos2020’s wife and children was wrong. That is between Kalos2020 and his family, not yours. You have argued about God, but some your statements are so troubling. Mwanawasa got people’s votes and as such they deserve to criticise him. Whether dead or alive, it’s up us
Kalos2020 mina amate. Don’t take things personal, this is a site based on opinions and not on who knows more than the other. Get back to the topic at hand and keep your lectures to yourself!!
I am not that easy to threaten and I am waiting for the police to thump on my door. Saying I pity your wife and children is no insult at all. But to say get a man to scratch your silliness and al the crap about getting into pants is more offensive. If you are planning to blow each others heads, that does not affect me in anyway, its up to you and those people. Now quickly send the police, am waiting.
#458 Anonymous, if you follow my contributions my first being at #360 to Kalos 2020’s submission and if you are an objective you will see that there is absolutely no insult or even forcing Jesus down his throat as he claims to. The only thing I suggested to him was to consider leaving out comments about divinity in his contributions coz they felt abit on he extreme. That was only a suggestion, I for one am a christian but I do not subscribe to these only prayers at all coz they are meaningless. But again follow Kalos 2020 response to that humble sugestion I made. He insults me and bunches me with who ever they exchanging threats with, I find this to be way out of line and now he is even ….
… issuing baseless threats. Even that FBI he trusts would bea shame to follow up such baseless issues. Anyway am waiting for the police sent by him. It unfortunate I commented on one whose ability to weigh issues is not the best. Had I insulted his family then that would be a different issue a thing that I cannot do coz am made up of better material than that. But as for his insults I accept it and have forgiven him for them not for his sake but formy own sake.
Mimi I have chosen to communicate with you because you seem to be the reasonable one of the two. Will u pls stop arguing with pipo of a mediocre calibre. I have followed your contribution to find out what could have earned you insults but to no avail only you seem to be caught between two pipo who have been fighting. I must warn you however that not everyone u see in trousers with a beard is a man in the real sense of the word. Real men do not rush to insulting or soliciting for outsiders like FBI in such trivial issues. I am even embarrased as a man that such things can come for a man, an elderly one for that matter. Forget about such and concentrate on more important things.
Mimi and kalos2020- get a room or go on a chat site and continue your crap.
Lets debate the state of affairs in Zambia thats what the forum here is all about. Ba koswe imwe if not Ba quindi!!
#463 Good advise , but plese don’t encourage this nonsense!!
Iwe we Mbushi, it takes one to know the other so you must be a koswe nangu niwe quindi nobe.
Ok even sharon has been in a comma for 2 years…but please ba LPM ba lifwa ZAZA was right!The problem is RB is not presidential material.so am sure they expect him to recover for a minute and appointMaureen as Successor…please accident,Stroke, Mild Stroke and now what stroke ore hypertesion.He is not immortal.
hello I will be visiting Zambia for the second time. I live in Newyork. I would like to know what the best lodges are, best eating places. what is chaminuka like compared to Pampdzi hotel?
Can somebody please help me?
Thanks
#467 we don’t care where you live, new york or the amazon jungle. this forum is not for tourist information.
in your own country do you ask for such information from such a forum? get a life
Sata is a real ashole! He should have died following his recent heart attack! No wonder his wife is getting screwed by Wynter Kabimba! Even Viagra cant get his dick up! Bemba leadership is full of crooked ways! Bemba leadership can never bring development to Zambia because they are all thieves! Its time for Tonga’s to rule!
No. 467 ever heard of google?
So whats the latest with LPM then? Did he sleep well, have a good weekend? Whats French telly like? I take it he’s ‘stable’??
P.S. #467 Shut up!! Like you’re in NY and are looking for info and just happen to stumble across a Zedian political forum asking for tourism advice??!?! Get out of that internet cafe you’re in in Northmead!!!
Is it really necessary to behave in a rude and uncivilized manner in response to a simple question? If you don’t have a helpful or constructive answer I suggest you put a sock in it. Thank you kindly!
God please heal levy,i pray thee.
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