Two civil society organisations have said they are disappointed that the Catholic Church has not condemned Patriotic Front (PF) leader Michael Sata’s statement that the constitution provides for gay rights.
And Forum for Leadership Search executive director Edwin Lifwekelo has said PF secretary general Wynter Kabimba should stop defending Mr Sata’s stance on gay rights.
Committee of Citizens executive director Gregory Chifire and Mr Lifwekelo said in separate interviews in Lusaka yesterday that the Catholics should have been the first to denounce Mr Sata’s intentions because the act of homosexuality is unGodly.
Mr Chifire said it is surprising the Catholic Church has said nothing about Mr Sata’s stance when it is expected to condemn the PF president.
“We expected the Catholic Church to lead the condemnation of Mr Sata because it condemns homosexuality and abortion,” he said.
Mr Chifire said homosexuality is unChristian, immoral and sinful and the Catholic should preach against it.
Mr Lifwekelo said the Catholic Church is the biggest church in Zambia and citizens expect it to denounce the opposition leader’s stance on homosexuality.
He said it is amazing that the Catholic has said nothing when there is evidence linking Mr Sata to plans to legalise homosexuality.
Mr Lifwekelo challenged the Catholic Church to condemn Mr Sata, according to its teaching.
Meanwhile, Mr Lifwekelo said PF secretary general Wynter Kabimba should grow up and stop defending Mr Sata’s statement on homosexuality.
“The audio compact disc in circulation is very clear about what Mr Sata said to Danish journalists about gay rights, no matter how much Mr Kabimba wants to cover it up,” he said.
Mr Lifwekelo said for the first time, Mr Sata was clear about his stance on homosexuality.
He said the Compact Disc will be posted on internet-based social networks, Youtube and Facebook, to expose the PF’s stand on homosexuality.
Mr Lifwekelo also described Mr Kabimba as a ‘pathological liar’ for suggesting that he (Lifwekelo) is being looked after by his wife.
He said in a statement issued in Lusaka yesterday that he finds it ‘cheap and preposterous’ for Mr Kabimba to sink so low and talk about his (Mr Lifwekelo’s) wife.
“While I acknowledge that my wife is a professional teacher who is well qualified for her job and an employee of Tick High School in Lusaka run by Mr Kabimba’s wife, he cannot suggest that my wife looks after my family,” Mr Lifwekelo said.
In March 17’s edition of The Post, Mr Kabimba was quoted as saying Mr Lifwekelo is being kept by his wife, using the salary she gets as a school teacher.
“Mr Kabimba is a pathological liar to suggest that I am unemployed. I am very much self-employed and doing well,” he said.
Mr Lifwekelo challenged Mr Kabimba to relieve his wife of her job if he so wishes.
Mr Lifwekelo said he and Mr Chifire are young role models who are self-employed and doing well in their investments.
He said their finances are clean as they do not make money from selling council plots and engaging in other illegal activities.
“I know a lot about Mr Kabimba but I will not sink so low as to talk about that and lower my integrity,” Mr Lifwekelo said.
Meanwhile, Nkombo Kachemba reports that a clergyman in Kitwe has castigated Mr Sata for alleging that there are adequate laws in Zambia to regularise gay rights.
Brethren in Christ Church pastor Justin Mushanga said in a statement released in Kitwe that it is unfortunate for a leader who wants to become republican president to support gay rights in a Christian nation.
“One does not need to be a Christian to know that homosexuality is an abomination. If Mr Sata is saying there are such laws, I wonder if we need a president like that,” he observed.
He said Mr Sata should know that Zambians want a leader who will develop the country and not introduce gay rights.
The clergyman said Zambians do not want a presidential hopeful to support gay rights because the act is inhuman.
[Zambia Daily Mail]
Lifwekelo you are a sinner!! just go to church & repent!! Instead of telling the church what it should be doing!!
There is nothing to be ashamed of being a “house husband”, just like Mushota’s boyfriend!!
The Catholics provide lip service condemnation of homosexuality as evidenced in the cover ups of pedophiles in USA & Europe plus the Mongu Father in yesterdays Daily Mail. Indeed like Jesus said by their fruits you shall know them…not everyone saying Lord Lord (Matthew 7:16-21)
Lifwekelo,your wife is a bread winner we know,if Mr Kabimba fires your wife starvation will come in.
Your employers MMD and Zambia Daily Mail will be out soon and you will be thrown out in the dark.
SATA COME 2011.
What is so bad about sata that you talk about him daily? Hmm. iwe cifire and lufwekelo. You are really now sounding like empty cans.
Catholics know that Sata doesn’t advocate homosexuality and that it was just MMD propaganda.
CATHOLICS CANNOT SINK THEMSELVES SO LOW TO BE DANCING TO THE TUNE OF DISGRACED LIFWEKELO WHO IS KEPT BY THE WIFE THROUGH MR KABIMBA AND JOB SEEKERS MUMBI AND CHIFIRE.
The Cotholic is not being funded by the MMD and have you shared the copy of the tape to them? They cannot comment unless they have facts infront of them. Most of us not being funded by MMD do not have those facts tapes.
Lusake times has also lost direction, perhaps you should change the name to Lusaka politics.
There is alot of stuff to report about in our country which can bring about real development and interest in people’s mind than M C sata daily
Please Mr Lifwekelo do not draw the church into your misguidede politics and do not equally draw
your dear wife into reducle she is a woman worth of respect she should not pay for your sins please
It seems the focus now has moved from fighting Sata to fighting the Catholic Church. Did the Catholic church endorse any person for presidency? Can we please concentrate on developmental issues. These are issues that countries that are already developed should be dwelling on, not underdevoped countries. We need to talk about developing our country.
when they talk at the church shud not be involved in politics……wats wrong with these two beggers?
Iwe Lifwekelo, Cifire and this Chanda Chimba the something, why are you so desperate in your dirty dealings to mislead the blind. Even the few remaining MMD supporters are wondering your desperation and unfounded utterances against Mr Sata. Zambians have heard your empty trash nosense and are resolved to bring in change in favour of PF and Sata in August 2011. Be principled in life and don’t try and reap where you did not sow. You are trying very hard to make your three mouths larger than life but alas when time for change has come no man can stop it. So just focus on your tuntemba and stop your desperations…Viva Sata Viva ubwato….
The Catholic Church is free to comment or not, whether the Church put her comment it will not Change SATA’s view. Moreover you are the same people who complain when the Church speaks that she is entering politics. However, every person is not dependent on the Church to think! # 5,6&7 great men!
Lifwekelo and Chifire you can get your support from the small and fragmented, family pentecostal churches who are struggling to make ends meet! Surely you do not exepect the Catholic Church to join your propanganda. The Catholic church is better informed than you two MMD zealots!
Most of the catholic fathers are gays, they can not condem gayism
Ba Lifwekelo is sata a gay himself and is this same man the sole man who makes laws in our country for him to come and start throwing rubbish in our laws.
We already have got gays and others in our country if you listen to christian voice you will hear ex gays confess, were they brought by catholic or sata and where was the law by the time they were such.
Mr Lifwekelo should know that even if the catholic condems it nothing will change coz this issue is spiritual and only the salvation of the soul through Jesus Christ is the solution, not mmd, sata nor catholic, worse still not even law
And ZNBC DG says MMD supporters are given air time on TV because they discuss developmental issues.Is what Chifire, Lifwekelo, Chanda Chimba, Kalonde not to mention several cadres on the Copperbelt like Kawana, Lungu talking developmental issues. Its no wonder he came back through the back door.!
Lifwekelo or whatever he is called is just a joker. Does the church need to be dragged in dirty politics of lies propagated by useless buffoons as him. The more you attack a person the more questions arise as to why he is the song of everyday. I am beginning to see that you hate Sata for nothing. Is sata the only news for Zambia. Bring good debatable news than the boring stories of attacks by Lifwekelo, Mumbi, and other finished politicians. We know they are paid to do this as no sane person can bring himself so low as these MMD piglets.
lifwekelo……please stop wasting people’s time there are more important issues to discuss. homosexuality is not much of our problem yet. and you the media who play a very vital role in elections, why are you misdirecting people to such useless issues. you are creating pointless agenda for discussion. give us a break! for far i have never heard of any same sex citizens in zambia that have applied to any court, local authority nor church to grant marriage certificates. there are serious issues like access to clean water, gabbage collection, high taxes, proceeds from high copper prices, shortage of accomodation, drugs, learning facilities, health & ed. staff in rural areas,rural dev. povert reduction, etc and you want to waste time on a nontopical issue. lets not borrow western problems
Mr Lifwekelo, please be patient, the catholics will speak through a pastoral letter at an appropriate time. I would be very disappointed if the next pastoral letter only addressed politics, elections and the constitution, and omitted this burning issue of gay and lesbian rights. Let’s give bishop telefon some breathing space.
Lifwekelo and Chifire are a reincarnation of NOCE and ZIMT Zulus!! Does anyone know where these two folks are?
Chifire said, “homosexuality is unChristian, immoral and sinful and the Catholic should preach against it.”
You, Chifire, just as homosexuality is unchristian, immoral and sinful, so is adultery, MMD cover for corruption like RP ZAMTEL and NAPSA, abuse of government money by Rupiah Banda and MMD paying people like you (Edwin Lifwekelo and Gregory Chifire) as propaganda against innocent Zambians like Sata.
Edwin Lifwekelo has said PF secretary general Wynter Kabimba should stop defending Mr Sata’s stance on gay rights.
Gregory Chifire and Mr Lifwekelo are characters who indulge in extramarital affairs, lies e.t.c. and thinks this is not sin, just lying against Sata because of the jealousy, hatred and corruption money that the MMD give them is grave sin.
Mr. Lifwekelo os right on this one. The catholic church shoul have come out and condemed Mr. Sata’s comments. Its very wrong for the church to be impartial and they are not doing themselves any good by being silent. Mr. Sata said what he said and he meant it, he should come back and retract his statements and try to hoodwink people by trying to defend the statements he made. We should be learning from these leaders as youths and denounce such irrespective of our political persuasions.
I dont always Agree with these NGOs but on this one he is right.
We are too busy discussing issues of little importance while our constitution making efforts lie in ruins. Typical retards. Why does this imbecile have to always popup when he has nothing to contribute to the development of our country?
@20 I agree with you 100% but what I want to add is that let us as youths be above partisan politics.Lets denounce wrongs even if they come from our own parties. I am very MMD but I don’t agree with the changing of the constitution to allow the president to get his gratuity in less than three years when the constitution clearly states that you are ineligible if you have served for less than three years. I denounce such even among my fellow MMD youths. Let be above politics and bring a fresh wind of governance to this country. Soon these leaders will be no more. Sata, RB etc. Lets make a better Zambia wether you are a MMD, UPND or PF youth.
Surely its Lusaka Politics. How do you make the Lifwekelos of this world as your main newsmakers! LT, your only and many sources of your stories are MMD and its supporters.Keep it up you are indeed LUSAKA POLITICS!
Lifwekelo please find something to do, stop relying on your wife for your livelihood.
DOnchi kubeba. Greatest pact PF and Catholic church
Lusaka Times is now master cut and paste. Report your own findings dont just cut and paste govt propaganda.
Catholics wont speak out because they know that most of their priests in Western countrries are homosexuals. In Africa, their priests are womanizers. Ask Ailingo and he will tell you.
Lifwekelo,Cifire,Sam Zulu,Edward Mumbi & Chimumbwa are gay but they are in the forefront of pointing at others.Anyway if this news,then Lusaka times is not worth reading.Please give us news on development not news from these finished chaps.Soon they will be no more.Its just sad that when their master leaves office,they will have nowhere to run to since none of them has a passport.Change is coming this year whether you are gay or not.DONCH KUBEBA!please advise these dependants to find jobs us instead of wasting tax payers money through the back door.we shall arrestimmediately we come into power.
Puppets Lifwekelo and Edwin Mumbi why do you trouble yourself explaining things you don’t understand……..when you appear on ZNBC TV news we change to other serious news stations..you are a bore, do something that is productive enu a galuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu..
kindly spare us of your shallowness. The catholic church teaching is clear on this and does not need to be publicised. Concerning the accused priest, its not the problem of celibacy and the solution lying in getting married. No! Its a personal responsibility. How many of you who are married have had extra marital affairs? Marriage does not give a licence to be promiscious. Be objective and do not just open your mouth for the sake of saying something. This blog is meant for educative criticism. “Let anyone who has not sinned be the first one to throw a stone.”
Who is funding these *****s (Lufwekelo and Chifire)? They should tell us the source of their income for transparency sake. Do they even pay tax to govenment? If public funds are being used to so suport their anti-democratic activities, then the day of reckoning will come soon. There will be another Task Force to investigate all these showdy deals under RB’s regime. Watch this space.
Is mental Chainama Closed? If not not why doesnt anyone take Lufwekelo to that hospital for check-ups? He seems to have loose nut. Help out someone. These mad people need to be caged
All you gays and lesbians please stop blogging here and blaming LT for the stories they choose to print. You migrate to Denmark together with your clown of a presidetial canditate and practice your abominations there without hiding or hinderance. your hypocritical priests who are gays themselves and child molesters will never influence the destiny of this country.
Naha ye hamuna kuibusa. Cino calo tamwakateke. Finito.
Why is it that the two senior MMD Cadres are forcing pipo to comment on baseless issues? let them just continue backing like hungry Dogs coz they are used. These two are sponsered, and we know. We will kick them like footballs one day. :((
iwe we mbwa Chi lifwekelo wansekesha… do u have any intergrity? ati self employed strange bootliking is also a form of employement? if so,,,,, here are the qualifications
1. speak like a parrot to whatever thing will give you a meal
2. let your wife pay all the bills while you run around looking for false data about credible leaders you will never march
3. be used by the tired horse’mmde’ to desperately attack real politicians
4. Failing to accept that yopuir wife looks after you….. when in the real sense she is part of you and no one should take her away from you.
Edwin, we know u very well, you are just a paupper surviving on handouts from newly acquired friends in MMD. Alot more people have been used before like u are being used now. The end result of people who have been used before has been disasterous, check your mouth becuase the wind for political change has dawned on Zambia and we will definately have change of command at state house this year, and u may find yourself on the wrong side of the rope. Chifire and yourself are representing your pockets and because u have been given enough publicity by government tabloids does not make u to be strong characters to speak on our behalf. Who doesnt know u, I bought u lunch at some resturant in Lusaka in 2001 when we were organising PF, you are just an empty bucket and time will catch up with u soon.
Ka lifwekelo iwe… now you realise that the Catholic is apowerful church tefyo? why do you want them to speak as if you are their friend? why don’t you speak with them when they condenm ka RB? wailetelela mwaice!
wachepa sana mwaice do play around with the catholic… they will finish you the day you will go to cheat pipo in kenya
Ati doing well in their investments…hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha….ba kolwe imwe investment means chewing tax payers money meant for medicine. ba cimbwi imwe! boy Monister walanda bwino he is a weak boy who has failed to meet the challenges in life and chooses to be used by mmd thugs.
iyoine investment what is the running capital?
The catholic church have a clear understanding of what Sata’s stand is on gay rights. They are not beggars like you for them to just support any id.iocy in order to receive alms from your treacherous MMD & rupiah.
Why are you begging them to support your weird and despicable thoughts and opinion?
The leaders in church are wiser than the collective wisdom of all MMD members, its sympathisers and beggars like you put together
BA REV SHIKAPWASHA,LIFWEKELO AND CHIFIRE LETS EXAMINE OURSELVES BEFORE THE WRATH OF GOD CONSUMES US
please let us leave the catholic church out of this! If they speak, they are condemned and if they don’t, they are equally condemned, what the heck do we want?
THE Catholic Church is advocating the Parallel Vote Tabulation (PVT) and will stand by it, says Ndola Diocese Bishop Alick Banda.
CARITAS Zambia has said President Rupiah Banda’s position on PVT has revealed that either his legal advisors are incompetent or he does not listen to their advice.
Launching the 2010-2012 elections strategy at the Diocese in Ndola yesterday, Bishop Banda said there was nothing criminal about the PVT.
“If we have the PVT in place, it is going to answer all the questions that people have over elections. I don’t see anything criminal about the PVT. We are going to dialogue with government and stakeholders so that when we come to the election days, issues should be clear,” he said.
Bishop Banda said the Catholic Church was not going to take over the…
Who is Headwind Lufyonokelo to expect the Catholic Church to respond to his self-induced ranting? Repent and go in peace. God is watching you, boy.
Iwe Lifwekelo and Cifire how much are you paid by MMD to destroy our beloved PF and Zambian fifth president? Mwaloba ilyauma bafikamba. MMD kuyabebele!!
Bishop Banda said the Catholic Church was not going to take over the running of the elections but that the Church would work with established institutions to make sure those underhand methods such as dribbling, rigging, manipulation and intimidations were not there.
“The 2010-2012 election strategy is an initiative of the Catholic Church in Zambia in line with the Church’s resolve to actively participate in contributing to the attainment of a credible electoral process,” he said. “You will agree with me that in Africa in general, Zambia in particular, we suffer from unclear electoral processes that cast a dark cloud on free and just elections, underhand methods such as dribbling, rigging and manipulation and intimidation are not uncommon,”
Bishop Banda said the notion that the…
the Church should busy itself with incense and votive candle or better retire in the sacristy showed only parsimonious (lack of generosity) of those who champion such a cause because electoral decisions, good or bad equally affected the Church which was part of the community of Zambia.
Bishop Banda said as the Church, they did not seek political power or control but the opportunity to intensify, argue, protest or affirm something adding that the Church was playing its part in the public debates of the society.
He said the 2010-2012 election strategy was an attempt to provide a transparent, credible, and a non-partisan electoral process to complement the government system.
The Bishop said strategy would include dialogue on electoral policies, the legal framework and…
and electoral-related procedures.
He said elections strategy would endeavour to lobby and advocate for a meaningful and comprehensive participation of all stakeholders in the electoral cycle (pre-voting, voting and post voting periods).
“The Catholic Church of Ndola has so far managed to monitor the issuance of National Registration Cards (NRC) and voter registration exercises. I am glad to note that our parishioners have to obtain NRCs and register as voters,” he said.
Bishop Banda hoped that the Church would contribute towards bringing about credible, free and just elections and subsequently usher in an authentic democracy which respects constitutionalism.
And commenting on President Banda’s criminal offence threats against advocates of PVT, Caritas Zambia executive director…
Sam Mulafulafu said it was extremely embarrassing for President Banda to threaten that tabulating and computing results already announced by the Electoral Commission of Zambia (ECZ) is a criminal offence. He was convinced that either government had very incompetent legal advisors or those being advised choose not to listen to their technocrats.
“It is difficult to fathom how our President can make such a legally incorrect statement in the presence of our very senior judges who also seem to find it convenient to keep quiet even when they know that the President was wrong,” stated Mulafulafu in a press release. “No wonder ECZ chairperson justice Ireen Mambilima refused to comment on the statement, categorically stating that she is not the legal advisor to government. My interpretation of…
Iwe mwana wambwa, the Catholic Church cannot be commenting on each and everything especially if it contains lies. Sata has refuted these accusations so what dio you want kabwa kabainga
The CATHOLIC CHURCH is not an emotional disorganised grouping. Thats why it has stood for close to 2000 years. It has seen kingdoms rise and fall. It is far much older and stronger than MMD the master of this propaganda. So do not DRUG the CATHOLIC church in your fight with political parties. Those who read widely and internationally know the established position of the Catholic Church on gays. It will not issue the statement to Please an individual or MMD, PF, or UPND. It issues statements based on its prophetic calling.
LUFWEKELO is trying to tempt the CATHOLIC church into trying to issue statement to please people…….even the devil dd the same to Jesus
i wonder what these journalists at Zambia DAILY AND the Times Of Zambia tell their wives and children what jobs they do when they knock off…hahahaha! and as for Lifewkelo and Cifire they are worse than empty tins. let them be reminded that you are delaing with a new generation in zambia who won’t be brain washed with cheaply manufactured innuendos..ask yourseleves where is ZIMT Zulu and the other Zulu? my advise is for you Cifire and company to strt preparing to migrate as political refugees to Katanga province
# 17 I drove southwards along Lumumba road today, the area just before junction with Ben Bella road is filthy with gabbage. Lifwekelo, Mumbi and Chifire should organise cleaning so that they do something sensible for once!
# 21 Deliverable, stop pretending to be naive, no one believes in the Zambia Daily Mail, TOZ and ZNBC anymore! The catholics are not gullible to be discussing none issues. # 34 Pukuchwe, you sound just like Lifwekelo or Mumbi or Chifire, amazing! # 33, another member for Chainama. LOL
Is oways that the church need to comment.
Bloggers I beg to be advised, Is the Catholic Church the only and one church in Zambia? If not why is Lifwekelo expecting the church to make a comment over Sata’s gay statements? If Michael Sata was a Catholic Priest, then I find it fit and proper for the church to respond. In the interim the call by Lifwekelo is mere hallucination, confusion and a positive ingredient or symptom of madness.
Imwe, the MMD is not against the pvt, what it says is criminal is the annoucing of result by an unauthorised institution other than the ECZ. Whoever wants to tabulate results alongside ECZ can do so, but must not announce before ECZ does so. Media houses, don’t fall in this trap. You are fond of engaging yourselves in such without authorisation from the owners of the information……
#36 WANSEKESHA MWE….U KNO WAT ? LIFWEKELO ABA AKAMUTWE KWATI LI BANZI. CHIFIRE IS A DROPOUT FROM CBU, WAT DOES HE KNOW? HE IS AS GOOD AS A GRADE 12. EVEN GRADE 12’S ARE MORE SENSIBLE THAN THIS FOOOOOOOOOOL. WAT CAN I SAY…hmmmmmmmmmmmm i can only go by #36 u ar crazy my man. you have brocken my ribs.
Lifwekelo you are very useless. So you started something and you were expecting for the Catholic to help you so that you can have more of your headlines in Daily Mail? Are you telling us that the catholic is the only church in Zambia with a large following? What of SDA, Jehovah’s witnesses or UCZ ? So your target was Catholics? Don’t force the church to talk. They have the right to remain silent. Lifwekelo and Chifire are both senseless and useless.
Does Lifwekelo still operate from Chicken Licken or has the MMD helped him acquire office space in Permanent House where there is no water?
Dear Bloggers who is this ****er called lifwepono to start tasking the church to comment on the gay topic? *****s! Mumbwe, chifine, chanda chimbwi and others are simponsored by mmd. Ba fikala tukamimona! You are paid our taxes by mmd which you use to **** girls in lusaka and the next morning you go to preach your mmd gospel in lasaka. Its good that rotten propaganda is only listen by 10,000 pipo who read times of zambia and daily mail. The real voters they dont listen to your crup. Chimumbwa pala noko pala wiso kuwama. Chimumbwa wapala bawiso ubupuba. Your looks like someone who escaped a isunami. Mwanya bafi ngili? Efwe in pabwato!!! Come rain and sunshine nipa bwato.
Fr. Ululi should sue Lusaka times. I hope you are going to put it as your headline tomorrow that Fr Ululi has won the case.
ubusushi ifipumbu ifi
Cifire has a job? – does an MMD NGO pay so much that its now called investment?
#16, its not that MMD hates Sata. MMD thieves are scared they will go to Jail and they will. Its these same thieves (Rupiah & Chiluba), who are giving abit of money to desparate Individuals without Jobs like Chifire and Lifwekelo. The monkeys can not even afford to rent an Office where to operate from, just meeting in restaurants and Cyber Cafes.
For the fact that we need sanity in this Country which the thieves know only Sata can bring, but that will Involve there going to Jail to pay for all there crime that they’ve now teamed up and paying these fake NGO’s. Let’s all compaign for this man, and to be honest. A thief has no right been in this society but rather belongs o Jail
ba lifwekelo ikaleni fye ngatamwaishiba i church ifyo li cita operate mulefwaya inshi mwilacita mixed ama politics na church mwaumfwa
hahahahahahah you think church is cheap to control what to do?