Former President Rupiah Banda has requested the Lusaka High Court to overturn Parliament’s decision to remove his Immunity from prosecution.
Mr Banda contends that the decision by the Speaker of the National Assembly Patrick Matibini to hear a motion moved by Justice Minister Wynter Kabimba despite his petition submitted in court was illegal and irregular.
Mr Banda said that the time the motion was being moved to stripe off his immunity, he had already petitioned the matter hence the action by Parliament was unreasonable and in excess of the jurisdiction of the National Assembly and there it should be quashed.
The former President contends that the decision by Dr Matibini to proceed to hear the motion despite a petition under cause number 2013/HP/323 having been filed in the high court was illegal and irregular.
This is according to the originating notice of motion for an order of certiorari filed on Tuesday.
Mr Banda’s motion was filed by his lawyers Shamwana and company, Mvunga and associates, Eric Silwamba and company, Sakwiba Sikota’s Central Chambers and George Kunda and Company.
“The decision of the National Assembly of Zambia to resolve that the applicant may be charged with any criminal offence or be amenable to the criminal jurisdiction of any court, in respect of any act done or omitted to be done by him regardless whether such offence or allegation was included in the category of fences presented by the motion is illegal and in excess of the jurisdiction of the national assembly” the notice filed before court read.
Mr Banda said that the decision by the National Assembly of Zambia to proceed and to remove the immunity on a simple majority of 80 out of a total of 158 members of the House was equally illegal and irregular as such it should be quashed.
He added that the decision of the National Assembly to deny him an opportunity to be heard and adopt a summary procedure prior to resolving that he was amenable to the jurisdiction of any Criminal Court was contrary to the principle of the audi alteram partem and therefore it was illegal and irregular.
Mr Banda said the decision of the national assembly to move the motion without due and proper inquiry as to whether the allegations presented on grounds constituted acts performed in Mr Banda’s personal or official capacity was illegal and irregular.
Ke ke ke ! Just be strong bosses naimwe.The courts won`t be of much help.The ball is already rolling ,you just have to learn how to kick it.
So where are they taking this case; to Bwinjimfumu court? The executive has already bought these old lawyers and this explains why he can’t retire them. Only God has strict rules for retirement; no children after monopalse- you can ask the learned judges if I’m wrong.
Zebige, he is just showing you that you are shallow minded and that pathetic frog is leaking at the bottom
you can arrest anyone NO problem, provided you follow the law!
THAT EMPHASIZES ATI BALIBA/BANABA BA BANDA. BAYOPA CHANI KANSI?
AFTER APPEARING UNDER THE ACC TWICE IS WHEN YOU WANT THE COURT TO COME TO YOUR AID? CALM DOWN IF YOU ARE INNOCENT MUDALA. WE WILL LEAVE YOU ALONE ONCE WE DISCOVER THAT YOU ARE INNOCENT. AS FOR NOW JUST GIVE US DETAILS AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO CLOSE YOUR MOUTH AND AVOID SEEKING SYMPATHY FROM THE IGNORANT MASSESS WHO HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU COULD NOT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN PUBLIC FUNDS AND PRIVATE FUNDS. WE WILL TAKE OUR TIME. I WONDER HOW MUCH YOU ARE PAYING THOSE CORRUPT TEAMS OF LAWYERS AT YOUR DISPOSAL. BY THE END OF FIVE YEARS YOU WILL BE REDUCED TO FREDERICK JACOB TITUS MPUNDU KAFUPI CHILUBA ANOTHER CRIMINAL WITH STOLEN IDENTITIES- MAY HIS SOULD REST IN PIECES.
The motion may have been irregular but wasn’t illegal and the speaker made the right call.
Parliament has its own rules & procedures that are not amenable to any institution.
Kosafye mudala waleiba weka.
How I wish you had consulted before dipping you fingers into our national treasury.
You flagrantly abused your immunity
Feeling the heat at ACC.Ukalibe Mambala
June 30, 1990|From Associated Press
LUSAKA, Zambia — A Zambian army lieutenant was captured by soldiers after he announced on state radio today that President Kenneth D. Kaunda had been toppled in a coup following five days of anti-government violence.
The announcer, who identified himself in repeated broadcasts as Lt. Mwamba Luchembe of the Signals Corps, was escorted from Radio Zambia’s studio on the outskirts of the capital about 90 minutes later.
A soldier who supervised his arrest at the Mass Media Complex was overheard by reporters to tell colleagues by walkie-talkie radio, “The situation is under control. All is normal.”Ten armored personnel carriers and trucks bearing armed troops rushed to the complex after the broadcasts began at 5:30 a.m.
It was not immediately clear how many broadcasts were made.
A man wearing the insignia and uniform of a Zambian lieutenant was seen by reporters being marched from the main doors of the radio station to one of the army vehicles.
“I wanted to take over the government but Kaunda’s puppets are stopping me,” he said, pointing to the soldiers surrounding him. “These are Kaunda’s puppets.”
The broadcast ended about the time he was seized.
The circumstances behind his capture were not immediately clear. It was also unclear whether he had operated alone and how he had gained access to the station.The brief radio broadcasts said the military had taken power at 3:30 a.m. in this south-central African nation.
The announcer said food price increases that triggered five days of violent unrest prompted what he said was a military action.
At least 23 people were slain during the week in clashes with paramilitary police and soldiers. It was Zambia’s worst urban violence since independence.
Residents in the capital, Lusaka, said they heard no shooting during the night. There had been earlier reports from Johannesburg that troops occupied government buildings and installations in Zambia.
The announcement said in full: “Following the rise in the price of foodstuffs which are the basic needs for Zambians, the army has taken over in Zambia with effect from (3:30 a.m.) Zambian time. All Zambians and foreigners are free to remain in the country. Announcing the military coup is Lt. Mwamba Luchembe.”
State radio’s 7 a.m. newscast was 17 minutes late, but made no mention of the earlier broadcasts. Shortly afterward, an announcer said there had been no coup attempt and that the broadcasts were made by a “confused person.”
On Friday, Kaunda announced that a national referendum on whether to restore multi-party government would be held Oct. 17.
Meanwhile, in the early hours of Friday, security forces closed the university, beat up students and forced about 5,000 of them off the campus, witnesses said.
About 34 students were detained for questioning about the protests, Kaunda said.University officials said the campus would be shut for two weeks.
The student-led riots began Monday after the government more than doubled the price of cornmeal, Zambia’s staple food, from $2.79 for a 55-pound bag to $6.56
BY GEORGE CHELLAH, 11 APRIL 2006 (The Post newspaper)
Lusaka — PATRIOTIC Front (PF) president Michael Sata has written to Chief Justice Ernest Sakala asking him to appoint a team of three doctors to investigate President Levy Mwanawasa’s illness. And Sata yesterday said justice Sakala promised to react to his concerns about President Mwanawasa’s health after making consultations.In a letter dated April 7, 2006 which was copied to Vice-President Lupando Mwape and Speaker of the National Assembly Amusaa Mwanamwambwa, Sata stated that he was prompted to write because he was concerned about President Mwanawasa’s medical condition.
“On 31st March, 2006, the nation was informed through a terse press report that the President had been evacuated to a London hospital. There have since been no further detailed reports on his medical condition.
tion. The nation is entitled to daily medical bulletins on the state of its President,” read the letter in part.
“I am aware that, ordinarily in such cases, the process of investigations into the medical status of the President ought to be initiated by Cabinet. Sadly, Cabinet seems to be moribund and has failed to perform its constitutional functions in this respect.
“In the circumstances, I am left with no option other than to request Your Lordship, to appoint a board of three medical doctors who should be immediately dispatched to London to carry out medical investigations on the medical conditions of the President and thereafter present a medical bulletin to the nation.”
And Sata said he wrote the letter to the Chief Justice because the well-being of the President was a national issue. He said it was unacceptable for the nation to rely on casual and childish statements from the government.
“In Bemba we say, ubulwele bwa mfumu li tensha chalo (when a chief is sick it affects the whole nation). So they can’t keep our President’s sickness as a secret.
When the late Pope John Paul II was sick, the whole world was informed on an hourly basis on his condition until he died. Even on Ariel Sharon they have been updating us,” Sata said.
“Lack of information on the President’s sickness affects the country. But we are not entitled to childish statements from Lupando Mwape like ‘The President is jogging in London’. The vice-president is trivialising this matter and yet it’s a very serious one. We are lucky Zambia has a small economy, if it was in the developed world, when the President is sick without the nation being informed, the economy can be adversely affected and the currency can even drop. That’s how serious these issues are.”Sata advised Vice-President Mwape to regulate his speech when it came to national matters.
“Is Lupando telling us that the President went with his delegation to London just to go and jog? And in London there is no hotel where you are expected to pay less than US $200 per night. So is he telling me that the government is spending all this money just for jogging? Let’s be serious with things we say to our people,” he said. Sata said the Constitution stipulated that if the President was incapacitated, Cabinet was supposed to convene.
“That’s why we have written to the Chief Justice requesting him to appoint a team of three medical doctors to assess the President as per constitutional requirement. We need to be updated on our President’s health as a nation,” he said.Sata said he personally delivered the letters to the Chief Justice and the Speaker of the National Assembly.
“I met the Chief Justice and he promised to get back to me after he has made consultations. I also met the Speaker and he said he will wait for correspondence from the Chief Justice,” he said.
Article 36 of the Laws of Zambia stipulates that: “(1)If it is resolved by a majority of all the members of the Cabinet that the question of the physical or mental capacity of the President to discharge the functions of his office ought to be investigated, and they so inform the Chief Justice, then the Chief Justice shall appoint a board consisting of not less than three persons selected by him from among persons who are qualified as medical practitioners under the law of Zambia or under the law of any other country in the Commonwealth, and the board shall inquire into the matter and report to the
the Chief Justice on whether or not the President is, by reason of any infirmity of body or mind, incapable of discharging the functions of his office.
“(2) If the board reports that the President is incapable of discharging the functions of his office, the Chief Justice shall certify in writing accordingly and shall table such certificate, with the report of the board before the National Assembly who shall on a motion, passed by a two thirds majority- (a) Ratify the decision of the board, and thereupon the President shall cease to hold office…” Over a week ago, President Mwanawasa was flown to London for medical review after he fell ill.
And on Friday, Vice-President Mwape assured the country that President Mwanawasa was in good health and jogging in London. But on the same day, information minister Vernon Mwaanga said the President was making tremendous progress and that there was no need for the nation to panic.
Meanwhile, the case in which Sata, Dr Guy Scott and police officer Clement Andeleke are charged with defamation of the President was yesterday adjourned indefinitely.
I thought it was high time we went back to our history a bit so that we remind ourselves of what others used to make of their friend’s illnesses.
Former Zambian dictator president Kenneth Kaunda has been drafted as one the people who are helping ailing dictator president Michael Sata do some of the work in the president’s office.
Impeccable senior State House sources have revealed that Kaunda has been picking up several government files from the president’s office which he helps making decisions and Mr. Sata merely appends signatures.
Sources said the former president has been engaged to help Mr. Sata’s workload for the past four mouths now and goes into State House, almost on a daily basis to pick up key government policy documents which he later makes recommendations for Mr. Sata to merely append a signature.
“Mr. Sata’s huge work-load has for a long time been handled by his uncle the finance minister Mr. Alexander Chikwanda who became over-worked running two big offices of the president and the ministry of finance. It was therefore decided by Fred Mmembe and others that Kaunda also be drafted to process some files, especially on policy issues and merely give the incapacited Mr. Sata to append signatures,” sources said.
President’s Sata’s medical team have advised him to heavily slow down on work and perhaps restrict himself to appointments and swearing-in ceremonies.
So far, president Sata only works half-days three times a week and the latest prescription is that he should be in bed by 20:00 hours, a situation that saw files piling unattended to in his office.
Normally presidents work over-time sometimes reporting at 05:00 hours and work till mid-night depending on the huge demanding workload.
A source at State House yesterday said the president’s prostate cancer is heavily advanced that he should basically be resting throughout.
Kitwe runs out of Meallie meal again
March 20, 2013 | Filed under: Breaking News | Posted by: +
Kitwe has again been hit with a shortage of mealie-meal.
The commodity is scarce and is fetching about KR65 and above in most retail shops.
Meanwhile, mealie- meal traders have complained that they are forced to sell the commodity at over KR 50, because they were buying it at KR50 from retailers.
I told you I read alot into RB’s earlier statement that he saw a “… prolonged affair…”
CHIEF NKHOMESHA IS STILL ON HER THRONE. APOLOGISE TO HER MR BANDA MAY BE SHE MAY HELP U
LT would you please regulate this BUPE ,from ZWD who is busy flooding the space on our reasonable and unbiased site .. Pease send him back to ZWD where they enjoy slander it is not fair that we should be reading Bupe’s slander when the same is also on ZWD why cant he just stick to the insulting zwd ?
Hara, don’t talk about things you don’t understand! It is not MONOPALSE, but MENOPAUSE & you can get pregnant during menopause when menstrual are irregular or you can get pregnant artificially and there is no comparison with subject above! Shaaa!
Which is the highest law making body? Parliament or high court? How can the high court over rule Parliament. Kindly explain as i may not understand.
One body makes the law (parliament) and the other interprets it (judiciary through the courts).
Typical PF cadre from Matero University . Law making and law interpretation are two different things, please go revise your Grade 7 social Studies, if you even made it to grade 7 , that is. The court will say whether Parliament followed the rules they followed. That is the issues here. As much as parliament can make rules, they can’t determine if any citizen has broken them. That is the job of the courts and the do it for alll
You must have dodged the Civics lessons! But at least you are honest about it than the most of the Kaponyas in power.Courts don’t make laws or policy they just interpret the law.Parliament makes laws.Thats why Mps shouldn’t get be people you just pick off the streets.They should have an understanding of implications of the laws they allow to be passed.Being an MP simply because of being promised a position as deputy minister is very short sighted and dangerous especially for future generations of Zambians.
Pariament makes laws, but it does not interprete those laws!
2.2, kuzimvela, you cannot even correct your own grammatical errors prior to posting.
The OP is wiser and more intelligent than you because at least the person can ask about what s/he does not know.
Do not put people down for asking. That is the reason why MMD lost elections.
Goodbye!
@Gundxy. Don’t blame others for your naivety. Just appreciate someone elevated your knowledge on this matter. In the meantime let’s wait for the outcome of the court process. In case it comes out in favour of RB I hope there is a provision in the parliamentary statutes to impeach the speaker by a simple majority like PF did on RB’s immunity.
ERK, when a case is before a court of law, there is a law that demands that case to be disposed of before any other action can proceed. Any other court of any shape, size or capacity can not overide that law, not even parliament. As things stand now either jungle law has to be used or basis of removal of immunity on RB in law is shakey. Yes, he may have cases of corruption but procedural law was ignored and that alone puts PF govt on defence to prove they followed the law.
MMD Bootliker you are bitter.Bitterness is your middle name.How do you castigate someone for asking a question? Grow up wechikulu chonse mambala.
Rupiah Banda and family constitute the axis of evil in Zambia.
The courts of law have no jurisdiction over parliamentary affairs. Parliament has its own constitution called Standing Orders. Standing Orders where followed to lift the immunity so mudala Apopa. Vavuta virtu.bhe just has to be strong, two days and he is already crying?
Zambians lawyers don’t exhibit ignorance kindly advice your cleint that Parliament was in order.The world at large is laughing at us.That High court judge who granted that injunction should retired in the national interest.Otherwise all Zambians will have the liberty to go to High court to stop any debate in the house.
RB be strong and answer the charges.
There are 3 sources of inacting a law:
1. Parliament can make a law and when it does that, it is known as the act of parliament. This normally requires the President to ascent. If he vetoes, then it can’t be law.
2. By decree. This is usually done by dictator just makes a decree. It used to happen during the KK era, he would just wake up and ban certain types of dances by making a decree that they should never be performed in public and that would be law as well.
3. The third type is done by the judiciary. It normally happend when there are no exsting laws that can be followed help solve a case at the supreme court. The court will use logic to make a decision and once that has been done, it has become law and it is known as case law, they talk of it as a decided case.
However, the interpretation of any law that has been made is solely rests in the hands of the judiciary. Even the President who makes laws by decree does not interprate them. Parliament also does not interprate them. The only arm of the government which is able to make laws and interprate the same laws is the judiciary!! I hope that answers your question ERC.
“Mr Banda said that the decision by the National Assembly of Zambia to proceed and to remove the immunity on a simple majority of 80 out of a total of 158 members of the House was equally illegal and irregular as such it should be quashed”
is above statement true my learned friends?
It is not true and RB should instead blame those MPs who walked out of parliament. This is why we have been advocating for those MPs not to walk out of parliament, because walking out is not a solution and it makes it easy for the ruling PF to decide and implement policies without challenge from the walking out MPs. On this one RB has lost it together with the opposition.
@The Law, do you write stuff to just make yourself feel good? If you listened to what Jack Mwiimbu said in Parliament , you woudnt be saying that nonsense. Mwiimbu told the Speaker that it was illegal to debate an issue that was before the Court. Why don’t you PF cadres wait for the whole process to play out rather clinging to hypotheticals. If only the opposition hadn’t walked out , really? And since you chaps think in little disconnected boxes you wouldn’t understand why almost 80 MPs are now part of the Executive. Scroll down and see what Forrie Tembo is saying.
@The Law, do you write stuff to just make yourself feel good? If you listened to what Jack Mwiimbu said in Parliament , you woudnt be saying that nonsense. Mwiimbu told the Speaker that it was illegal to debate an issue that was before the Court. Why don’t you PF cadres wait for the whole process to play out rather clinging to hypotheticals. If only the opposition hadn’t walked out , really? And since you chaps think in little disconnected boxes you wouldn’t understand why almost 80 MPs are now part of the Executive. Scroll down and see what Forrie Tembo is saying.
@The Law, the law provides for the two-third majority voting in parley to remove the immunity of the former presido, not firts-past-the-post majority! So is 80 out of 158 equivalent to two-third? The opposition MPs walked out of parley because they knew that pf was not able to garner the 104 votes required to pass the motion. As usual pf pulled ka fast one and wanted to show that they are clver when they are actually not!
I always fnd it difficulty to undersatnd why our MPs fail to debate and resort to walking out. Why?
Why are we even debating this? Banda was a thief. We all know that. Poor people are never even afforded any legal aid in our country and yet here we are wasting time defending a man who had no respect for public funds. Zambia cannot afford all those legal niceties. They just drag cases out for years and serve to protect thieves. If the opposition think that walking out of parliament is the solution, then good luck to them. Boycotting parliament does not pay. You just have to stick with it. UNIP chose to boycott elections in 1996. Elections just went ahead without them!
Me thinks thow dost protest too much. May the fear of a unrighteousness man not prove to be stronger than the resolve of a nation for justice. If nothing illegal happened as you claim then why not take the opertunity to clear your name. Just a thought?
that is my thought too. If I were RB, and innocent as claimed, I would be so happy and vindicate myself to zambians, but what puzzles me is the purposes for having removed the ‘abuse of office clause’. Why did RB not ask the high court to quash the clause but instead took it to parliament. I am equally confused on whether the high court or is parliament which is more superior? please enlighten me.
His lawyers know that the only defense he has is challenging the prosecution on technicalities otherwise it is jail. He should pay for letting kafupi off the hook.
@ Simplicity, put yourself in his shoes, Kawalala nipa kwanja. You want him to undress himself when he should be enjoying his retirement. and the thing I hate is that the corrupt ones are the ones shouting the loudest. Fact is you need a 2/3 vote, the democratic will of those who walked our should be respected. They can prosecute him but not on speculations and assumptions, not when you forcibly abrogate the tenets of our constitution. Not when his cases are not stopping those in government from stealing. I beg the courts to do the right thing. They can come back and lift it another day, when they follow the law. Plain and simple.
Simple English the house has its own rules just like any polical party.
Batata balila
Mr Banda,you are the worst president zambia ever had. Even though you are presumed innocent until proven guilty, the evidence that you abused and stole public funds is there even for an ***** to see. Can you imagine what 20 billion kea ha could have done for the health care of people in villages. Corruption causes loss of life. By stealing that money for ur colorful campaigns, u stole money that could have been used to buy medicine and improve the roads that could have prevented some of the accidents we have seen. If you are found guilty, I hope u rot in jail.
Answer me this 50 cent; When in history of Zambia did you see mealie meal prices so high? When in the history of Zambia did you have the citizenry have to beg to see their president, when in the history of Zambia were policies forced on you as they are today minus their proper defense or even relevance. When in the history of Zambia were you lied to as much as you have by president Sata? When, in the history of our proud and beloved nation, have people lived with such fear of the police and free speech is so costly. Compare what Sata has done in his first year and a half to the first year and a half of rupiahs, you were complaining of his travels which brought unprecedented investments and bolstered both our economy and the overall image of Zambia. Be fair to yourself by being honest.
@6.1 first of all, you have to understand that world economy’s has changed the past 7 years. The value of the Zambian kwacha can not be entirely blamed on the president but on the current status of the economy. Secondly, we do not need to see the president everyday to ensure that he’s doing his job. The bottom line here is that RB stole from the poor Zambian people and what he stole must be returned to the rightful oweners. 20 billion is a lot of money which could have gone a long way . If Sata leaves the presidency and we suspect that he’s a thief, then he needs to tried in the courts of law. Please do not forget that while people were suffering in rural areas, the Moran of a president RB was busy flying back and forth to his farm in Chipata. Can u tell me what investment he brought…
Good move your excellency……
Simple majority of 80? 158 – 80 = 78. Whether it was 79 and half is still majority. RB, you should have let UPND and MMD MPs to stay on. Lelo, lelo, lelo. Oooh, so in the case of stripping immunity, the high court is higher? If this is so, then scrap parliament and its MPs.
The law says you need 2/3 majority.
@Wanganjanga, did you read article 43(3). It simply says a resoultion. This means any group. even with one extra vote carries the day. The courts cannot change this law, period. The 2/3 you are yapping about is in part 3 of our constitution and is the Bill of Rights. Consult any credible Lawyer, they will tell you the truth. RB is just trying to buy time the way the late FTJ (MHSRP) did until the same questinable RB released him. Mwanva? Awo atata akuya ku Jele Basi?
He did not get 80 votes. In parliament if you willingly abscond you put your vote towards the majority. By walking out of parliament they chose to be silent over the matter and undecided. Thus the saying “silence means consent”. If they were against lifting the immunity they should have stayed and voted against. So Banda’s immunity was not lifted by a simple majority. It was lifted by 80 + n (where n = the number of those who walked out).
@ Kapokola, Dr Patrick Matibini is not a lay man at law and he emphasised his prudence, that he consulted widely before making a ruling to go ahead with a vote. For all I know even the judge presiding over this case may have been a consultant to the speaker.
Anyway, desperate times calls for desperate measure and this is really what RB is doing. This action actually makes him look more guilty in the eyes of the general public, but I am sure that is the least of Rbs’ worries right now.
Kekekekekekekekeke! just free yourself shikulu if you did not steal you will soon be free hun….
I cannot understand why he is panicking.
I think he forgot his memory Supplements.
Wina azalila !!
Alila kale a Banda. Judging by the the panic, it should be really serious.
The Battle is between Judiciary and Legislature!
Judiciary always wins and so it will win. Thats more reason they allowed the order to stop parliament to proceed with removal of RB immunity. So they can not embarass themselves. It is simple logic. Remember president Satana against Judiciary of the tribunal to probe the Judges. Who won?… Judiciary. Tribunal has not gon anywhere. I rest my case
THE JUDICIARY WILL NOT WIN ON THIS ONE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PARLIAMENT HERE WHICH HAS POWERS TO REVOKE EXISTING LAWS. DO COURTS HAVE SUCH POWERS? IF THE COURTS DECIDES IN FAVOR, IT WILL BE PRECEDENT SET.ANYONE CAN GO TO COURT AND STOP PARLIAMENT FROM DEBATING NATIONAL ISSUES. YOU SEE EVEN LAWYERS ARE NOT CONFIDENT, THAT IS WHY THEY HAVE ADDED THE SIMPLE MAJORITY ISSUE WHICH WILL ALSO FLOP.
@njonjonjo, hope you remember that when Levy Mwanawasa started appointing MP’s from the oppostio to cabinet positions, Godfrey Miyanda and his friends got an injunction from the High Court to restrain the president. LPM ignored it citing separation of powers and that his office is not under the jurisdiction of the court.
It is really shocking just how PF cadres have no clue about how separation of powers works. Typical of losers like #2 ERC.
My Friend, the court does not make rules by correctly interprets rules made by parliament and the court has the right to tell Parliament that your interpretation was right or wrong and that is what is being sought.
Parliament can’t simply say because we make the rules affecting citizens than we are supreme over all organs. This is really laughable regarding the fact that the Speaker is a PhD holder.
Anyway, this show has just began. I need to just stock up on popocons, looks like the excitement online is back again.
ba MMD Bootlicker – indeed you will need the popcorn to see how your so-called leader RB will be locked up together with his foolish sons. MMD thought they could get away with murder – RB and family and most probably ppl like yourself were boasting stealing money, whilst women – your own mothers, sisters, daughters – were carrying their own placenmtas in buckets because MMD diverted money for public services for their own foolish benefit.
The chickens have now come to roost. Let RB explain himself- if he is so innocent, if he never stole a penny – let him explain to the zambian ppl.
You are the same ppl that removed abuse of office clause illegally – now it has come to bite you. Mwanya ba MMD bootlicker – very soon, you will also be visited by this law that you seem to know so muc
If RB is innocent, why enlist so many law firms?
@Bootlicker, please read article 43(3) and understand the law. There is no need for 2/3. Even the example of Monde, it was not inviving parliament. It was two private parties and that cannot stopp the process on parliament. Dr Matibini was very right, and mind you he taught some of the lawyers RB has hired.
@MMD Chief Bootlicker, you guys misled RB before and you are misleading him again—God have mercy!!!!
You are missing the point the High court made an error period you can not stop Parliamenent to debate any issue where on earth dull lawyers.The speaker is spot on.You Lawyers don’t panic let RB face the law
Ba Jombo Sucker you once said Parliament was not going to lift RBs immunity. Now instead of picking from where you left the argument, you are picking on ERC who asked a question in earnest. My son is 12 years old and he blogs, don’t you think you being a teacher you ought to respond sensibly than castigating those who ask? Kabusha ta kolelwe ubowa the Bemba saying goes.
@MMD Chief Bootlicker, understand this, just as parliament cannot debate a matter that is before the courts of law, the courts also can not determine what motion parliament should debate. THAT IS SEPARATION OF POWERS MWE BANTU. In this particular case, the constitution specifically talks about immunity of a president and that when there are suspicions of impropriety in conduct on the party of a President, PARLIAMENT can strip him/her of that immunity. Not the courts to determine wether parliament can debate the motion to strip immunity of such a one. That is not the business of the court! The separate arms of government compliment one another but are not supposed to cajole or interefere with each other’s business.
@ Chindakwanda-Galileo Galilei, thankx man, I was about to explain to MMD chief bootlicker exactly what you have stated. The old man in the MMD Chitenge always goes at a tangent and gets excited over nothing. Save your health & money from popcorn, this case will be very short & then appeal to the supreme court & back to interrogations and filing of actual corruption and laundering in the same high court. Same tactics of RB were observed during Chiluba and the courts now have experience to quickly settle such matters.
Quote of the year “I was your President and I didn’t do this to anybody. I tried very hard to bury the past so that we can all come together and concentrate on what really bothers the people of Zambia”-RB.
Quote of the year by miles!
Concentrate on what really bothers the people ,stealing bothers the nation.
The table will turn soon…..watch da ka spacio
This case may take long to conclude.
if at all it will be concluded.
Mr.Banda himself said so. Had he cooperated to meet ACC they could have probed him, quietly ask for restitution and let him enjoy his pension and legally earned monies. Now, it is too late, citizens are incensed and want the truth.Lawyers have realised harvest time has come to eat whatever Mr.Banda looted on the pretext of trying to defend him. By the time this case closes at least he won’t be as rich as before with so many vulture-lawyers around him. The longer it takes to resolve this case the poorer the ex-presido would become.
Namugala’s injunction
why going ku high court if u know u are clean
Those are his rights kamo – middle finger – means stand up you man! Uli ndwii!!
sata’s blader is full of kanitundila tundila
It is Rb who was pissed on by a state house monkey! Even animals were getting upset by the way he was stealing just like a monkey in a maize field!
i bet now he wishes he had fostered an independent judiciary. the same body he so abused and used to prosecute those against him is what he hopes be fair and just to come to his rescue…mukose tata
The MPs shot RB in the leg. They should have stayed on, debated and voted against the motion instead of walking out. In their debate, they could have convinced the 4 MPs who abstained to voted against. so 78 (UPND+MMD) plus 4 who abstained = 82. You could have blocked the motion. Shame on you for walking out and raising the middle finger.
Call boy, the vagabonds were told time & time again by the speaker that, they should avoid the walk outs as laws & decisions will be made & passed without them. They walked out when they could have voted against the motion, what nonsense is that?
2/3 was meet by those that were in parliament and voted/abstained. These lumpens need to learn the hard way. I hope the judge will write a serious caution in his judgement about MPs who walk out of the house for every flimsy reason. Our courts are not sheds for criminals to go and seek temporal relief every time they feel cornered by their criminality!
exculpate yourself madala!
lawyers Shamwana and company, Mvunga and associates, Eric Silwamba and company, Sakwiba Sikota’s Central Chambers and George Kunda and Company.
The big guns have fired….
Wynter and Co. We waiting for reply
These are not big guns – these are old, UNIP-era lawyers. There is young blood nowadays – if say Sangwa, Ranchod, etc were representing, then good. Otherwise, do you honestly think Mvunga can win a court case in this day and age – these are old hags just wanting to eat from Banda’s loot
@ Jearsey shore, These are the best and most renowned CONSTITUTIONAL AND CRIMINAL LAWYERS in the land. You praise thieves like Sangwa whose cases are still in court? I am sure even the judiciary know the right thing to do. otherwise our country is going to hell and it will prove that the Judiciary has been compromised.
As I see it, all the so called big guns have managed to fire are smoke screens and red herrings!
Jersey shore, to the new breed add Musa dudhia (Ashard Dudhia)!
Ba mudala, if you are really clean why go to all this trouble? From Grade 6 Civics classes, we learn of separation of Powers. The Courts in Zambia cannot dictate what Parliament can or cannot do.
YOU WERE TOO PROUD TO SUBMIT TO THE INVESTIGATIVE WINGS BEFORE THE IMMUNITY WAS LIFTED. YOU THOUGHT THAT THIS IMMUNITY WAS YOUR RIGHT AND NOBODY COULD REMOVE IT. BUT YOU WERE WRONG. THE IMMUNITY WAS REMOVED AND YOU ARE COMPELLED TO APPEAR BEFORE THE INVESTIGATIVE WINGS. NOW YOU ARE CRYING AGAIN AND YOU WANT THE IMMUNITY TO BE RESTORED!
WHAT ARE YOU HIDING MUDALA? ALL YOU SO CALLED LAWYERS ALLOW THE OLD MAN TO CLEAR HIS NAME AND SHAME HIS PERCIEVED ENEMIES.
ZAMBIANS CANNOT FORGIVE A THIEVING PRESIDENT. IT IS OUR WEALTH WHICH WAS STOLLEN AND WE WANT JUSTICE.
you immunity from now onwards sir, is you innocence,or else you will be kicked with scruffy and dirty police boots at chimbokaila, while you upstairs will occupied by you worker from chibolya. if you are clean don’t worry
Silwamba lhas lost so many cases
Poor Mr Banda is being targeted by Sata as part of a wider campaign to percecute the former president and the opposition party MMD as a whole. Sata wants to settle old scores against Mr Banda by using bogus accusations. Sata shouldn’t waste time on percecuting Mr Banda , there are more important issues to concerntrate on than wasting time scoring old political scores on Mr Banda.
hehehehehh!
But his lawyers are saying the cops are just on a fishing expedition and there is nothing they have found. So why try to block all this? After all, he is innocent until found guilty which will not happen, at least according to his lawyers
BR lawyers are trying to block the case because the guys behind the case are dangerous criminals who are up to no good. Sata is not behind RB’ s immunity removal. It is the cartel which was celabrating RB’S immunity removal at Mmembe’s residence
They want to stop it so that RB can get on with his life and not constantly be called to unending questioning meant to only inconvenience him. He needs to enjoy his retirement without unwarranted harassment.
The Judiciary here wants to prove its powers to Parliament. And mind you when Judiciary says Parliament was wrong then no one not even you matibini can say no because Judiciary is empowered to interprete laws while Parliament is only there to make laws and not interprete.
There is a cold war here between Judiciary and Legislature and they are just using RB’s case to settle scores.
REmember Judiciary is on record of having stopped the WHOLE PRESIDENT from proceeding to prosecute judges through a tribunal.
If president can be stopped what more a mare Matibini??????
Zona RB is afraid for mu ma celu ka
Don’t Kutina ba Criminal Mukalamba – MMD Slogan
Boss pamene apa mwayamba kulila… be strong there is no reverse gear to that kushipa fye
These issues are not for lay people like me. I will leave it to our learned friends – the lawyers to explain. Counsel(s) could u please do the needful?
Just go and defend yourself. That way we will know the truth. But baba, you were warned and instead you turned zambia into a family run cartel. Be strong, why is your son on the run?
Henry is not on the run as he has always been in South Africa. There seems to be a high level of curiosity by you people that does not recognise that a person is entitled to privacy.
Mr Kamo,RB has gone to the high court because the people who took the case to parliament were not PF, but by the cartel which is holding Sata hostage. They are a very vicious people. They are criminals who are out to kill.The cartel has already made the decision to prosecute RB.Kabimba,the vuvuzela of the cartel said it that RB must be prosecuted.For your own information, The cartel (Mmembe) and Ntchito do not want to pay back $9.9 million tax payer’s money. Kabimba got $112 million from the oil deals. RB is being prosecuted for $11million which is not government money as outlined by Kabimba in parliament. There is nowhere were it shows that the money RB is being persecuted is public money.It is common knowledge that Mmembe,Nchito and Kabimba stole public money
My dear friend please go outside and take a very very long walk to calm yourself down…
If RB stole his ministers like S. Musokotwane would be behind bars by now. They did not have to wait to remove immunity for they have non. Already Mpombo has been chased from Nigeria for supplying lies about the alleaged oil deal. This was PF strong case. As things stand now the case has no merit.
You are wrong Membe and Hon.Nchito did not steal.The company borrowed the money and went under
r.In a similar fashion RAMCOZ went uner and HH took dvantage to loot the reimaining assets and today he is fooling us that he worked for it
Let Ala Bee continue paying all those blood sucking lawyers on that list and all those other hyenas and vultures queuing up to help him. He is supporting local employment!kikikiki Why is he now crying for his immunity if he is an innocent chap.
Maxwell. Knowledgeable people know that immunity is not given on the basis that someone is guilty. It is given to stop petty minds or vindictive people keeping someone busy and inconvenienced by unnecessary witch hunts. This concept may be difficult for you to grasp but one day you may understand it. There is also the question of challenging wrong procedures on principle which does not mean that you are either guilty or afraid. One day you will come to understand these concepts.
@LION:
You are right that immunity is given to stop petty or vindictive people from distracting the president, especially during his incumbency. I, however, tend to think that the greatest immunity one can ever have is not the one conferred by external entities but the one that comes from an upright character. And I am curious as to why Mr. Banda has to retain so many law firms and lawyers to defend him? Could it be that he knows he is not entirely on firm ground and needs the services of those who can convincingly call black white, ‘who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter’?
And you think the money to defend RB will come from his pocket? This is just a waste of state resources baba. Unlike Chiluba, most likely the money suspected to have been stolen by RB were donations to MMD, because allegations so far do not look like they point to state funds.
are you sure RB is paying any of them? There is such a thing a standing up for principle!
The two bodies function independently without interference from the other. While the high Court can not overturn a decision made by parliament, Parliament can also not determine RB’s guiltiness as they need to leave it to the courts to decide. My take is that RB’s lawyers are in for some quick bucks. Have you seen the number of firms representing him? Shikulu should sense something fishy.
YOU HAVE SAID THE TRUTH, SO PARLIAMENT CAN LIFT HIS IMMUNITY BUT IT WILL BE UP TO THE COURTS OF LAW TO FIND HIM WANTED OR NOT. THIS MAKES SENSE, NOT THE RANTINGS WE ARE GETTING FROM MMD CHIEF FIMO FIMO
The decision to remove RB’s immunity was hatched by Kabimba and his gang and Kabimba is in charge of and manipulates the judiciary, this means RB appeal to the high court will be thrown out.
If RB is innocent then Kabimba will be shamed. But RB is panicking which is a sign that there is fire where this smoke is coming from
In my humble opinion it does not matter whether Mr. Banda is quilty or not. The point is was parliament correct in disregarding the court order? If they were then the court will say so. Secondly, does anyone in their right thinking mind trust this government to treat them fairly? These question arise from so many abuses this govt has commited against citizens who have not been found guilty by courts of law! Garry Nkombo was found guilt by Wynter even before investigations were carried out. The big issue is that in this govt if Fred M’mmbe hates you, he will do anything to get you punished even when you are innocent. am sure Mr. Banda’s lawyers are looking at it from that angel.
Iwee Mungoni be fair
Heads will role! Nulolela
who is paying RBs legal bills? is it BOMA(GRZ) or his own money? If he is paying from his pocket, very soon, he will be decleared bankrupt
RB shut up and pay the Piper
Based on what judgement?
how do you contend the case which had not been decided upon? parliament was just contemplating on removing immunity, and you rushed to the court for an injuction. the guilty are always afraid!
I had had wonderd also how come the lawyers went before hand by the the issue of the simple majority had not risen that high court just shold be fired in the public interest
The procesure used to lift his immunity was not proper. As a country we need to show the world that we are ruled by laws and not the whims of individuals. Whether he is guilty or not is not the issue here. Furthermore, the individuals that want his head do not have clean hands themselves. I think it would be wise for the High Court to enforce our Constitution and left the correct procedures play out
And what is that same correct procedure, do you even know what you are saying?
Ikalafye iwe MMD
By walking out those MPs decided the fate of RB.. Politics is for sharp men and women.. Parliament doesnt interpret the LAW, which LAW??? Frivolous bantustans ,those with ears let them hear. Let the man Redem himself through the GJIT simple..
These are Ala Bee’s lawyers Shamwana and company, Mvunga and associates, Eric Silwamba and company, Sakwiba Sikota’s Central Chambers and George Kunda and Company, and International lawyer Robert Amsterdam. Innocent man my foot…
Presidents from neighbouring countries will pay rb’s legal bills
To be, or not to be—- a convict—- that’s RB,s question!
RB should realise that the route he has taken is an exercise in futility! From the legal point of view the assertion that immunity was removed by simple majority is legally flawed! Article 43(3) does not provide that immunity should be removed by 2/3 majority and i wonder where the illegality comes in!
Secondly, much as we appreciate that banda has a constitutional right to seek judicial review on a constitutional matter, he should realise that precedent under the principle of stare decisis has been set in the case of chiluba and those are the reasons that even chiluba advanced when his immunity was striped! Regarding the aspect of audi alteram parten under the rules of natutral justice, Banda will be given that opportunity in the courts of competent jurisdiction!
Munyelo Pwete, change your name so that your eloquent analysis can easily be read and digested without going through the unsound name.
People have very short memories, membe was at one time jailed by the speaker of parliament for insulting them. What did the court say? The same parliament striped Chiluba of his immunity and not all mps where present. So uncle RB should just go and answer the questions after all sakwiba told us today that the investigators had no case and were merely fishing.
When Winter said that they have concluded the investigation Sakwiba and company trashed it. Now, they have seen that the lawyers are going to benefit while their client is Kabwe bound or sorry Mukobeko bound. Is he a juvenile maybe Katombora bound no, it is Mukobeko bound. Munzi wapya. PF has been insulted by UPND, MMD to implement the campaign promises. Now it is implementing and people are crying again. hahahahahaha munzi wapya. Bwana alabi, nikulimba manje. Pokuba mwenzolimba. What will shock alabi most is the state witnesses. Wait and see who will be state witnesses. Am sure Dora might be a state witness. Wait and see.
He has seen that vintu vaipa during the ongoing interrogations hence this desperation to clung on to the immunity. Wapya munzi Ba Banda you were warned about your thieving but you thought you were going to be in power forever. umangiwa iwe. And have you noticed he is only saying it is bad to remove immunity but has not uttered any statement to say he did nothing wrong with regard to the corruption allegations levelled against him
RB’S LAWYER WAS CLAIMING THE GOVT HAS NO EVIDENCE, SO NOW WHY THE FEAR? AND IF YOU (RB) BELIEVE YOU ARE INNOCENT WHY NOT JUST GO AHEAD AND PROVE TO THE WORLD YOUR INNOCENCE. YOU VE JUST DISCOVERED THE GOVT HAS MORE INFORMATION THAN YOU THOUGHT IT HAD.
Hhehehehhehehhe, komedy!
An innocent man can not hire five lawyers to defend him. He must have a lot of money to just give out like that. I will keep monitoring the situation.
He is a former head of state – do you understand the repercussions on the country?
Adviser, the repercussion is that ZAMBIA has been unfortunate to be lead by two kleptomaniacs, but the ZAMBIANS are not ready to take that lying down. This will ensure MCS also known as HEMCS or Ukwa by HH stays away from our coffers!!!
OPPOSITION HAS BEEN TAUGHT A LESSON FOR WALKING OUT OF PARLIAMENT – GOOD! WE DID’T VOTE YOU SO YOU CAN BE SITTING OUTSIDE PARLIAMENT SUN-BASKING, PLAYING ON FACEBOOK AND LIFTING UP THE DORA SIGN.
The opposition were in reality in agreement with the motion to lift Banda’s immunity. They just didn’t care to be openly seen to be in agreement. Hence the ploy! Which was good for the country!
Rupiah is the most corrupt – Hichilema
Rupiah is the most corrupt – Hichilema
Written by George Chellah and Patson Chilemba
UPND leader Hakainde Hichilema has charged that President Rupiah Banda is the worst, most corrupt and dangerous President Zambia has ever had. And Lusaka lawyer Wynter Kabimba yesterday challenged the Law Association of Zambia (LAZ) to make its position clear on former president Frederick Chiluba’s acquittal following President Rupiah Banda’s revelation on the matter.
Reacting to President Banda’s remarks on Chiluba’s acquittal during a closed-door meeting in Kasama last Sunday, Hichilema said President Banda had come out in defence of Chiluba’s acquittal because he wanted to protect himself from the corruption he is currently involved in.
“He wants to shield himself away from the current corruption so that nobody asks him how he ran his government when he leaves,” Hichilema said. “He is basically exonerating himself from the current corruption he is involved in like the RP Capital and Zamtel deal. That’s why he is coming out this way on the acquittal.”
He said the biggest problem Zambia was faced with was President Banda.
He is the one interfering with the judicial process. People must target Rupiah because he is the one who is mismanaging the judiciary. Rupiah is just confirming what we have been saying that he is the one who instructed for the appeal to be stopped,” Hichilema said.
“That’s why he fired Max Nkole. It is very sad… this is what I have always said that Rupiah is in State House for himself. It is him who has destroyed the country. So far he is the worst President Zambia has ever had.”
Hichilema said President Banda was offering a poor quality leadership coupled with a corrupt mind.
“He is the lowest, the worst, most corrupt and the most dangerous President we have ever had. It’s leadership with no vision, interfering in the judicial process, corrupt and also dictatorial,” said Hichilema.
And Kabimba said President Banda confirmed works and supply minister Mike Mulongoti’s earlier statement on Chiluba’s acquittal.
HH HAS FORGOTTEN ABOUT ALL WHAT HE SAID. TO HIM, RB IS A SENT NOW AND YOU SAY SATA IS NOT CONSISTENT. HOW ABOUT HH, CAN WE TRUST HIS WORDS?
These lawyers knows about all these legal issues iam refering to and its a pity as usual, they want to give their client a false hope! Parliament can not dance to the whims of the judiciary unless it does something which is ultra vires or unconstitutional! Parliament enjoys its own sovereignty and it can make any law as long as it is in tandem with the supreme law of the land which is the constitution! It has its own procedures and practice!
But the question any reasonable person should ask is this: Why is Banda so much afraid and wants to hide in the immunity? Honestly if he does not have any skeleton in the cupboard,he should be happy to go to court and clear his name and possibly, shame those that removed his immunity!
I urge all reasonable bloggers to watch this space!
He sounds ‘enfeebled’. Buck up. Innocent til proven guilty. Any campaign dosh left over for the solidarity fund? New tee shirt has a stack of dollars on the front and the wording on the rear is Give It Back. There is a second version for the solidarity side which has the same wording on the back but the word ‘immunity’ on the front. Let’s sell tee shirts to pay all the lawyers… Um… actually just to make a buck. Actually I might not even share the cash. Oh no. I am morally bankrupt. Enfeebled.
These lawyers including amsterdam are just here to eat what RB pocketed.
Dude, what are you scared of?
I thought the lawyer said they are fishing. what has followed shows that they are not fishing after all. The truth may be different. The court could help clear the name. Is it the warn and caution that has sunk in.
@ mwine ni ne!
Parliament can be checked by the judiciary if it makes a law which is inconsistent with the constitution! However in this case parliament did not abrogate the provisions of the constitution and all the lawyers representing Banda are very much aware about this! All they want is to chew some cash from the old man! I can assure you Banda is in trouble and this is what he meant when he said that ‘it will be a long affair’ because the lawyers have advised him that once the high court rejects his application for judicial review, he will appeal to supreme court and by the time supreme court will also reject his application, it will take time! And after that, trial! This for sure will be a long affair and banda would be dead by then! What a drama!
uyooooooooo! yapya nkani. its like he never expected what happen on monday and tuesday. why didn’t he go on monday ? god job ba GJIC.
Guilty, guilty, guilty as hell. He let FTJ off the hook hoping that the next government would turn a blind eye to his misdeeds. Oh he even removed the ABUSE OF OFFICE clause from our laws so that he could dance freely. By the way the people who are against the removal of immunity on RB are the same ones who were dancing when this happened to FTJ. Why? Hatred? Tribal? Like the Eastern MMD where this madala claims to come from? RB should let the process take its course unless…. THE GUILTY ARE ALWAYS AFRAID?
Does it mean that Banda has no right to question the manner of the lifting of his immunity? What are one’s rights if one may ask?
Why panic if he has nothing to hide? My relative FTJ faced the same fate and I bet you were among those celebrating
He was not born with that right so he should not cry. Afterall it is like crying for spilled milk. He should have listened to Lubinda, HH and others.
His Excellency RB Banda, has every right to appeal against any fraudulent activity concerning removal of his immunity. I do not understand why certain sectors of community want to ignore other legal avenues he can take just to suit their greed for revenge. Viva RB!
@Deja vu, you did not answer my question. Do not rush to the issue of panic. If he was panicking, he would have been feigning sickness or any manner of avoiding going for his dehumanising questioning. Chiluba tried all tricks in the book to avoid going to court. RB is not. But that is beside the point. Does he have or no right(s) to question the manner of the lifting of his presidential immunity?
He has every right to question. Only thing is….sorry, there is nothing to question about this one!
For all we care Ala Bee and his brigade of legal vultures can snooze at the High Courts doors so they listen to him but remember that today the chap is now a mere mortal like all of us.
@ Tell It Like It Is, RB does not own the immunity, it is a privilege of the presidency he occupied and it is not a human right or we would all be entitled! Please just shut up if you are discussing something that is way beyond the capacity of your legal knowledge!
@MundiaM, why should I shut up. Now you feel you have more entitlement to discuss such issues. So you are saying RB cannot question the mode of lifting of his immunity. Legal capacity my foot!
Iwe chi tell it, he has asked and so he has a right. Depends on how much he has to waste. He can ask as many times as he wants.
Baba, osanitukwana. I did not insult anybody. I just asked a simple question, which I believe needs a simple answer.
Court Iliche! Viva RB! Just slow down the process to reach 2016 then you will be a free man.
Mmm ba RB, so early. Just two days and you start crying man. You thought the PF guys were joking, now call you Amsterdam to come and rescue you. Have you seen , now you are feeling the heat of interrogations. HH and Mumba will never be there for you for the next three years as you keep on trotting to court. Ask the late Chiluba he will tell you how he suffered and at last he cried . Just be strong man as they teach you a big lesson that stealing from poor Zambians is immoral. The same for Sata and PF, if they are stealing as you did, Zambians shall prosecute them. No person is above the law of Zambia.
Peace and Prosperity to mother Zambia.
So HH can easily change his campaign message now he is offering fake solidarity to RB when he publicly denounced RB as the most corrupt president. That’s is why politics is just a game who do you want to fool.
As a citizen, he it is within his right to seek clarity over his affairs. Let him do what he can. Meantime, let the processes that have started running also continue until and unless requested or required to do otherwise…
I have looked at @Maxwell contributions on these blogs. I actually see that he has a position on issues, but he never gets emotional on his contributions, even under extreme provocation. Respect for you bro.
Mr RB Bigman, youth desperation to press the court to squash the parliament passed motion only goes to show HOW GUILTY YOU ARE. YOU ARE REALLY NOT YOURSELF.
Have ever heard this proverb, “ukazi puta limba”, meaning, “when you initiate something be ready for its consequences”, may I paraphrase it, “ukaba limba”, meaning, “when you still be prepared for its consequences”. Rushing to the court, as for me, its an admission of guilty. Mistakes committed in the interest of the nation can be explained. But if your interest, that of the children and your family can not be explained.
With dignity and courage face the gjit and explain your former dealings.
Corrections “youth” and not “youth” also “steal” and not “still”.
@52 Kajongozi Hichilema has even reminded us of what HH said. HH fellow Zambians told us all about Ala Bi.
Parliamentary sovereignty means that decisions of parliament cannot be challenged whether they are wrong or right unless where the constitution which is the supreme law is breached. speaker was 100% right.
The court can interprate the law but cannot overturn an Act of parliament period!!
Its not your job to interprete that, there are people who are paid for that and these are people RB has taken his case to…….wait and see. You will be shocked.
You are the same people that where busy blogging here saying the courts can not stop the tribunal appointed by the President, but where is the tribunal and your judge Chikopa?????
RB IS AFRAID AND HIS CROOKERED LAWYERS KNOW THAT THINGS AREN’T WELL WITH HIM HENSE SEECKING TO BROKE THE PROCESS. MAMBALA KOSA! BIG FOOLS ARE UPND THAT ARE DEFENDING WHAT IS NOT DEFENDABLE. USE YO OWN STRATAGE.IT WILL COST U ALOT ,AMATURES!
why is pf jittery on RB ‘s legal address.? Let the law speak!!..pf 0:rb 1
Legal address??????
Damn, where did a former peasant farmer and a three-year term president find the money to afford an army of lawyers? Wink, wink, wink…..!!!!!!
Two days ago RB was reassuring us to calm down and he said this process will take long,alas today he runs to the courts again for protection. he thought ,through Amsterdams` advice that it was going to be smooth. After day 1 question day 2 things went terribly bad. He had to consult Amsterdam again and was advised that the chaps interrogating him were to tough and just too intelligent than the useful *****s .he was told that bwana just stick to your immunity issue may be you may save your neck. There is nothing about revenge here. What was read in parliament about the abuse should make some of you intelligent bloggers here to shut up for a well especially @Bupe who is so shallow that he is committing a grave mistake by his uncontrollable temper. Tommorrow if he is fished out he should not
cry foul and hid in the name of freedom of expression. There is no immunity there after all the insults he is advertising like Dora Siliya. You can be trace its not a threat but that we should argue intelligently and appreciate those who are guiding us in terms of law interpretation here .
RB is innocent,he is an angel who could not commit those terrible things you kaponyas falsely accuse him of.Throw the frivolous case out and throw this rogue kaponya govt out before 2016.We have suffered enough and 2016 is too far.
Panyo patambala paoneka ngati mpepo yakunta! For sure mpepo yakunta for RB, he thought the government was jocking when they said that Banda will be prosecuted! Infact it was one of the campaign promises by PF to retrieve what belongs to Zambians from basakala nyongo like RB and his tandem of thieves! I thought the mdala is strong enough kanshi nichimokomoko, atase! Bravo to the joint team of investigators! You seem to be doing a good job on RB because i can see his lawyers have started cheap legal tactics that will yied nothing for their client apart from enriching themselves and delaying court process! We quickly want to see the old man nailed! I wish FTJ was around to see how his ‘saviour’ is sweating just two minutes in the legal battle game!
Give me another round of castle juice…
IN VERY BROAD DAY LIGHT WE CAN SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING. AFTER THE LAWYERS OF RB HEARD THE QUESTIONS FROM THE DEC ON MONDAY AND TUESDAY. THEY REALISED THAT THE STATE IS STANDING ON VERY STRONG EVIDENCE. THEY HAVE SEEN HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO DEFEND RB. THEY ARE NOW RETRACTING THEIR STEPS TO START PLEADING FOR IMMUNITY AGAIN. THEY MISINFORMED THEIR CLIENT.
BUT THE SAME GUYS SAID THE DEC IS JUST FISHING FROM DRY GROUND. BABA LET THIS MAN BE TAKEN TO COURT. IF THE DEC IS JUST FISHING CLUELESSLY, THEN THERE WILL BE NO FISH TO CATCH. WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF APPEARING IN COURT?
some are saying its too early to start this
RB thought that Amsterdam would protect him by insulting PF and government organs from afar. There is a Zambian saying thatsome one afar cannot quench the fire. Now he is stuck with Sikota cum failed politician who is probably just chewing his stolen money. Sikota knows that parliament cannot be overuled by the courts but is not bothered as long as the pay cheque is fat. Why is he challenging the decision now if he knows that he is not guilty and when Sikota is even boasting that the state is just fishing for evidence and that RB has no case to answer.
Lawyers are like London Black cabs the meter never stops running until you reach your destination, pay and sod off. Chaps like Ala Bee make very very very good clients as they are shameless cowards who are easily spooked by talk of jail and male cell mates.
They will take you on a long route because the meter is still reading and that is what is happening to Bwezan,he is in Saki’s Black Cab.
RB and sons limited or MMD.His sons did what you and of course me could have done if my father had that position.In fact corruption takes two to tangle.The pushy businessman and the president’s son looking for a quick buck.It is like that.Unfortunately nobody is immune from this influences.Right now deals and cuts are being done in secrete places.Rule of the game is do not get caught!
true!!!!!!!!!!!
I once remember Nawakwi Edith, talking about Bwezani, and quote: “Awe mwandini tobomfwa.” Like the case of conniving with magistrate Chinyama to release Chiluba, firing Nchito for appealing the verdict and within a few months promoting Chinyama was really an insult to the intelligence of Zambians who had suffered from Chiluba’s stinking plunder. Even before the verdict was pronounced, Banda seemed to already know of the outcome going by his pronouncements in Kabwe. And in Chipata, he foolishly admitted he had released Chiluba. Any one knew Banda will one day pay for his stupidity of abuse of power and corruption!
I know Dr Matibini has found himself in an unenviable stinking corner and made to look very stupid by claiming he cannot declare seats of expelled MPs serving in the SataN’s evil cabinet because their cases are still in the courts of law while in the next breath allowing Bwezani’s case to be tabled in parliament while well knowing it was also before the courts. While Bwezani’s case in court to stop parliament from debating his immunity was a mission in futility, parliament could have waited for the court to throw it our on the grounds that each arm of govt operates independent of another as opposed to making two different decisions on basically very similar cases calling for one and the same decision. He has lost his credibility, gone right through the floor of the august house.
You are misquoting again; the matter of the MP’s is between them and their respcetive parties (MMD or UPND). This one here is between Parly and RB.
@ iNkhosi Mzilikazi DiniZulu Can you allow your thoughts to be separated from your emotions? The MPs issue is between the parties and the MPS, while RB is between RB & Parley which is an arm of government with separate powers. In the earlier matter the MPs seek legal redress to their clubs action against them, while in the case of RB, he is seeking to prevent parliament which is the legislature from performing their function with interference from the judiciary. Very confusing situation indeed! By the way the GJIT is part of the executive. Each with their own roles!
Dear Rupiah Banda aka Ala Bee,
Do you know what karma is Rupiah? Karma is a law in Hinduism which maintains that every act done, no matter how insignificant, will eventually return to the doer with equal impact. Good will be returned with good; evil with evil. If good or evil befall you, it is because of something you did in this or a previous lifetime.
Remember when you let that thief ka Titus loose who robbed us off millions of dollars that was the karmic effect; the moral law of cause and effect.
With warmest wishes
Maxwell
So can we also say that following your logic, then it is also “karmic” effect with respect to the statements “In Bemba we say, ubulwele bwa mfumu li tensha chalo (when a chief is sick it affects the whole nation). ” or “na lulende lule fuma ka kanwa”. What goes round comes round ka.
“ku kanwa”
RB was called by the team of investigation and he refused to go on ground that he was enjoying his immunity, unless his immunity is striped he wont go for interrogation to prove his self innocent. Now that the game as changed is crying foul ,sir just dance to the tune you requested for
This is going to be very interesting. I feel this is necessary to show the nation that we have a judiciary which is not compromised as we have seen in the recent past. It looks like all the people of Zambia have between life and death is the judiciary. It is also interesting for someone to tell me how possible it is for the DPP to enter a nolle in a case against Mahtan at Finance Bank, where he owes money, without declaring interest. Is it the reason Finance Bank has written off the $4m it gave to DBZ?
ask the justice minister, he has a very strange explanation for the DBZ/DPP issue, shocking really.
RB Team, don’t be docile, use whatever means is avaialable to counter the dull enemies. Challenge every illegal actions that are being done.
Whats your issue, RB? If you are innocent, you will come out clean. No one is saying you are guilty. Dont bore us
I just love this. What a team of lawyers representing RB. I love them too.
useless parley under PF..
These lawyers have a scheme to milk RB, how can they challenge parliament that which was debated upon and that was within the parliament’s freedom to debate whatever motion they deem it necessary at that particular time.
These lawyers are now involved in try and error method of defence.
Bupe you are a confused cantankerous nicompoop.Dont think Zambians will give the power to the Hungry Heyna who knows nothing about development!You can dream and yap forever but Zambians are too clever to put a political novice in Plot 1.Come 2016 the PF will still be in power,mark my words!UPND is likely to be dead by then beacuse currently it is in the politicak ICU!!
boma ni boma, even here in South Africa, parliament approved the use of e-tolls, people have gone to courts but it will always be a failure, cos parliament makes rules and decisions, to overturn decisions by parliament is no easy. Mr MMD Chief Bootlicker compare the two(2). So i hope Mr Rupiah Bwezani Banda should just face tthe music.
I am also in SA, and up to now the e-tolls have not been effected. Looks like they will never despite parliament approval. The citizens have rejected them.
Thursday, October 15, 2009, Hichilema charged that Banda was the worst, most corrupt and dangerous president Zambia has ever had.
Reacting to Banda’s remarks on former president Frederick Chiluba’s acquittal during a closed-door meeting in Kasama, Hichilema said Banda had come out in defence of Chiluba’s acquittal because he wanted to protect himself from the corruption he was involved in.
“He wants to shield himself away from the current corruption so that nobody asks him how he ran his government when he leaves,” he said. “He is basically exonerating himself from the current corruption he is involved in like the RP Capital and Zamtel deal. That’s why he is coming out this way on the acquittal.”
Andrew advise your father to wait for the process. The way he is panicking makes me feel there is fire where this smoke is coming from. The lawyers are just cheating him.
Do not condem RB yet, he seems to have a very solid ground on which he has taken the matter to the High Court.I think the best thing to do for now is to relax and wait for the decision of the court.Our courts are well equiped to read between the lines and deliver justice.SO WAIT!