Opposition UPND leader Hakainde Hichilema says Labour Minister Fackson Shamenda is insulting civil servants after he claimed that the planned pension reforms will help them to better manage their retirement money.
Mr. Hichilema charged that Mr. Shamenda is not the best person to offer advice to civil servants on how to use their retirement money.
“I’m now talking about education qualifications here, I just feel Shamenda should keep his advice and not insult civil servants,” he said.
Mr. Hichilema said Mr. Shamenda’s statement’s over the proposed pension reforms shows a lot of arrogance on the part of the PF.
“Shamenda is basically insulting the intelligence of Zambians and the collective intelligence of all Zambians. He was arrogant enough to tell civil servants that they don’t know how to use their retirement money. Who tells him that it’s his job to worry about how a civil servant uses his retirement benefit?”
He said the PF government is rushing the pension reforms because they want to run away from their responsibility of paying retirement benefits.
“They have bust the budget and are looking at ways of saving up some money and they now want to squeeze civil servants.”
Mr. Hichilema said again the PF government has cheated civil servants.
“They told civil servants that they will be receiving their pension money within 90 days after retiring but they now want to scrap off the lump sum package, this is the Don’t Kubeba that civil servants voted for,” he said.
Mr. Hichilema has demanded that government halts any plans of reforming the pay system for pensioners saying the planned reforms are unconstitutional.
“Article 124 as amended in 1996 on the preservation of the pensioners accrued rights should be respected, the constitution does not allow Shamenda and the PF to do what they are planning to do to the pension system because there have not been any constitutional amendments.”
The UPND leader has since advised the labour movement to reject any policy reforms that will impact negatively on their members.
well said HH…
Politics of the A-hole. Pwetete, pwetete all day long!!
@1.1 Nubian the cherished one, you start to worry me, the way you mourned Cardinal Mazombwe the man of God, and now the politicians, mwati kuli abalashala?
@nostradamus
why is nubian lady insulting when there is a chililo? and you nostra, am not seeing you properly these days, you are becoming close this nubian lady,,, alazala kuni bamulamu ba latino,,
And HH for a change stop politiking,,, pay a moment of silence for the late cardial
Nubian and Saulosi, you do a very good job of trying to decampaign HH, it’s understood since you are neither PF cadres nor sympathizers but just doing what you are paid for, a job of watching bloggers and trying to establish origins, names, and collating all the information for the bosses. That’s really a good job l envy it, but since we even know your locations and motives we wish you luck. Try to see sense in what HH says sometimes. Just for interest, how would you rather it’s handled if you were to do it differently? lmmagine it’s you relative in such a position of not being able to plan anything tangeable after so many years of commitment?
Girl gotta voice her opinions guys.
I will never agree to a fake contribution made by a whore.
well your opinions kinda suck sometimes young lady.
Hakaivotela Humwine (HH) has a good point here though I have problems with the way he is underrating Shamenda.Shamenda has been in the union too long to know what he is talking about.The proposed move by the government is not good anyway.
what he is talking about is that the riffraffs have chewed Beyond their budget,now they don t know where to get the money to pay the retired pipo.
Shamenda has rusted away. He needs to be in retirement.
I’m waiting to hear the voice of federation of free trade unions on the issue. Where is Joyce Nonde Simukoko? She was very vocal in the MMD era. What’s up Joyce? Don’t you see the wrongs being committed by this govt any more? Rise-up woman of substance and speak for your workers. They will be subjected to destitution once these reforms are passed.
she’s married now..extra duties obviously. Marriage is holy and noble..no hard feelings. She may need to be replaced.
Marriage is the last thing in my life ever. I cant imagine myself facing the same woman night in and night out. Its Horrible, in fact its threatening just to think about it. first I don’t understand why People get married? Is it because of sexy? Love? children? Nonsense!!!!
She was unceremoniously unseated.
She was already married. How can you be sharing ignorance in public like this. Bwalya you really are a fool.
HH, chacha style of governing the country has failed that is why the Government is trying to find some solutions to halt the sufferings among the civil servants. did shamenda insult any civil servant? CBU will be opened after the government and the management came up with some solutions.
this kind of exageration will not take you far HH, alamist iwe!
If someone told me that I cannot manage my own money and I have been to school, I would feel Insulted.
@ observer
let’s stop keeping in our money in banks since we have been to school and can keep our money
@Mr Update
Thanks Bro, I am really talking about managing as opposed to keeping. you and me are buidling houses while in employment which our parents never did.
You are a nigga with no brainz. Everything HH is saying is politiking to you even when its sensible. To which school did you even go to? Grow up and reason nigga!!!
ha,ha,ha,ha….shame to see how Given Lubinda has become a lover of mmembe.It like this man has informaton which he uses aganist anyone who is aganist his programme..Am sure even aganist the president.The only one he can not play with is GBM……
No comment!
Excellent comment mama!
HH has a very valid point. after so many years in class and over 28 years of running my home while working for GRZ shamenda sees it fit to tell me the best way to manage my benefits! it is certainly an insult of the highest order. drop this nonsense of pension reforms and do the needful, ‘pay the retirees their dues’ kwasila
Below is the defination of a pension; ” A pension is a contract for a fixed sum to be paid regularly to a person, typically following retirement from service.[1] Pensions should not be confused with severance pay; the former is paid in regular installments, while the latter is paid in one lump sum”. So, what is so difficult to understand, and you claim that you are educated. In my opinion the unions and politicians in opposition should be worried about inflation and probably ask the government to be an amount equivalent to the dollar. I retired in Zambia and probably know more about this topic than most of the bloggers who are just still in school.
Bakalamba imwe you are a retiree and your name is Timba life! Ninshi mula timba sana life? Just pulling your legs papa!
Someone wakes up and tells me that iam not responsible so he will be giving me tuma change instead of lumpsum.And he does that without consulting me or even taking into consideration of what the constituion states. I can’t find any other defination of a dictator apart from that.By the way ,even Hitler had sympathisers who cheered him on in the same manner some are urging Shamenda on.
So how would you call what Government has been paying civil servants the past 50 years, Mr. Intellectual?
Shamenda understands labour issues better than HH. He was at the helm of ZCTU including other global organisations for a long time. HH is too academic and criticizes even when not necessary
At least Nevers understands how Government functions having been VP before
Being the most educated and biggest employer HH understands all these things better than the big assed creatures in pf notably shamenda
No wonder why Nawakwi drafted those silly questions for the honourable minister.
Awe for once I agree with ba HH.
World war one escapee.
HH is an economist and an authority on this socio-economic issue. Shamenda knows very well he is trying to deceive workers and is just playing politics.
HH is an astute businessman and a dealmaker.He can easily tell a bad deal when he sees one and going by his stellar record in business i can say he speaks with authority in this case.
How can one build a house by installments? Sata is already building his two years in office, he has not even retired, how about someone who has served over thirty years. What about the insist ministers gratuity, will it also be given per month?
Bwelani wa Hachinde Hachinena ni fyompeko ku chintu chanu icho (John) before kuyenda kuchipatala ku Guwahati, India…
Iyayi ba HH ali kutali,mugafyompeko kuli atate anu amene ali pafupi. Mwaba myangako napa mnyero musabvutike naba HH ayikona
Problem with UNDP is feeling more educted than anyone.How & why?Its only oportunity left fr oportunistic party to apeal to electorates.Evn were its not necesary Hichidisabled & coleagues ve always comeout tht re educted than others!This is HH lamentng evn now.But whts causng ths diferentiation perceivd with HH?Its the only way HH feels he may capture urban electorates especialy Lsk,C/belt & provincial cenyres includng civil servants.Its sad HH is usng a baite whilst Pf never at al used such except thru apeals to electorates.HH has lamentably failed to onerously apeal to electorates & there’s no time left fr him!Ths is the only shortcut fr HH & his minions!He feels he can capture Pf stronghold & leverage aganst Pf by campaigning on social apeals without tangible conviction!Where in Zambia…
…mother fuc.ker! It just shows what a loser and imbecile you are!!
PF never used what? Tombahh nokohh where were you?
That time she was single and fulee to mingo. Now she’s too tired after servicing hubby to give a sh:t about civil servants. She has orgasms to catch up on
Hakaiteka Heka(HH) is a useless chap & I even wonder how much he pays those who look after his cattles?Mr. HH or Hakaiteka Heka(he will rule himself), the PF goverment is just proposing & they will follow the voice of the civil servants.
The guy behind HH’s left shoulder is scary. He looks like he is in the business of cold blooded murder
I think what needs to be proposed is to have a certain figure say 1/3 of the lump sum e.g K900,000 = K300,000 lump payment, the K600,000 to be paid monthly + inconsideration of things like inflation and other factors, surely K300,000 one can build a 2bedroomed house and buy a piece of land to farm on, a1so use the monthly pay 4 sustanance. Many who the lump sum blow the money die peniless & leaving scandals of having married a chain of women. Can diasporans shed more light on say British pension scheme. HH keep quite and wait for more info.
Let us change the mindset of saying when 1 reaches 50 he supposed to get his pension & use it & die, we must crave to live healthy long lives, this is the work of the devil to put fear in U & me. Pension scheme is an investment badala, so lets see the details of the proposed scheme B4 we criticise.
Hichidisabled(Hichilema) shutup you chap!U ve nevr felt wht it is to b a civil servant.Incorigible youth amateur.Listen frm Shamenda a seasoned Labour movement leader.Yr experience is to privatise & liquidate viable companies.Listen now wht Shamenda is talkng.
Again the pf retards pure compound kaponya thinking not even trying to understand what this HH guy is say because muchinga issues or level of kaponya hood is burnt into there retarded thinking its bad
Who is best qualified to deceive Evil servants, or sorry, civil servants other than a former trade union leader turned Labour Monster? Mr FK is better qualified for this DONCHI KUBEBA role than Hichi Hichi!
The truth is that Most civil servants never retire. They become destitute soon after being paid Lump sums and have to get back to work on contract. This is why our wage bill is so high. Serious reforms are needed and on this score I agree 99.9% with PF!
….Idio.t! I actually know you crip!! What do you really now about pensions? What business do you have with lumpsum payments to retirees and how thay spend it? It’s their money – so what if they spend or invest it on the same day they get it?
You are such a jelous monkey – arent you? You are one of the poor fellas who have never been employed, always scrounging and dependent on relatives! Dont you have any shame that even the computer you are using for blogging is not yours – so how can argue with HH who is a proven employer and millionare?
They want to legalize misery for pensioners,a shamenda in pf is a total opposite of a shamenda in zctu,this is a minister who does not make sense at all.All trade union must bury their differnces and fight this scandal in unity.
There is truth on both sides of argument. What is the optimum solution?
Thanks to PF this man was rotting away. Iookin the way he is as minister imagine him without a job.
You guys stop being *****ic,i already told you never to think with your louse tribes,be pragmatic,HH made a lot of good noise about CBU,now someone gave in and cbu is reopening and you are parting your louse backs,learn to give praise where it is due.This pension thing will be revised because HH is speaking for the voiceless.The middle finger to HHs detractors.
People have time to criticise all the times.
Viva infrastructure creating PF
Viva Sata
Viva Kabimba
Viva for what. PF is simply killing everything the country had for a longtime, Farming, subsidies, fuel you can see the mess and now they want to mess up our retirement, they
Have run out of ideas CNP, let Shamenda come up with his own retirement and leave this one alone. I don’t see them coming up with their own ideas except trying to destroy what we already have
Animal instincts as usual!
Politicians are not inspiring our children at all.
Why can’t we discuss issues honorably?
Do we always have to resort to insults?
I do agree with PF that reforms are required.
Shamenda does not need to panic when contrary views are expressed.
Why not concentrate on explaining the advantages and disadvantages of each approach to create understanding among stakeholders and create an atmosphere of dialogue?
Ba HH also tends to use language that is too strong!
Leaders are supposed to be builders.
Please emulate Miyanda’s approach when engaging in discussion of issues.
Limbi ba HH balapela kaloba ku ma retirees The fact is the current policy of giving lump sum has nt helped our once respected zambians. Go round and see those who retired just last year and see the investments HH is talking about?
THE THING IS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO REACH THE AGE OF 65 YEARS WITH THIS WORLD FULL OF DEATHS THROUGH ACCIDENTS AND HIV/AIDS, STROCKES AND SUGER DEASES?
THE TRUTH IS THAT THIS MAN SHAME- ENDER (SHAMENEDER) AND HIS PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO PAY PEOPLE WITHIN TEN YEARS PERIOD THEY THINK THEY WILL STAY IN GOVERNANCE.WHEN ONE REACHES 65 YEARS OLD THE ENJOYMENT OF THE FUNDS WILL NOT BE FELT AND ISNTEADY ONE SHALL REMAIN A BEGGER EVERY AFTER THE 1/3 PART-PAYMENT OF THE SO CALLED PENSION.
Iwe Saulosi chi SHAMENDA chalya yanga ama lump sum ya ma pension? Ngatemu Government Shamenda ngalifwa ku nsala. The problem is that Shamenda has to bark in order to eat or he will be fired.
Iwe KAYULA those people who retired last have not been paid that’s why they are suffering. Are you in formal employment? Am about to retire and I have no house. Am banking on my lump sum to buy a decent house. Problem is those who are against lump sum are not even civil servants but manage tuntembas, mere loafers or PF cadres.