THE Bemba Royal Establishment (BRE) has mianatined it followed proper rites and channels when installing Henry Sosala as Paramount Chief Chitimukulu.
The establishment was responding to assertions made by Traditional Affairs Minister Nkandu Luo who said Government had not gazetted the Chitimukulu because the BRE did not follow procedure leading to the enthronement of Paramount Chief Chitimukulu.
Speaking in an interview from Mungwi district today, a representative of the BRE and BashiLubemba, a group of traditional councillors that make up the Electoral College responsible for the installation of Bemba chiefs, Kabilo Chikwemba said “no stone was left unturned when installing the Chitimukulu.”
Kabilo Chikwemba said the district commissioner of Mungwi, the provincial local Government officer and Mungwi District Council officials attended the proceedings leading to the enthronement of Mr Sosala.
“The PLGO wrote the minutes which the brought to Chief Chimba who after going through appended his signature and returned them,” The kabilo said. Chief Chimba is the equivalent of chief administration officer.
He said the bashiLubemba did everything that has been done since time immemorial when installing a new paramount chief.
Mr Chikwemba speaking in his native iciBemba maintained that it was not the job of the BRE to take minutes. “Our job ends at appointing and installing…ifya gazette ifyo fyabo.” Saying gazetting was not their problem that’s their (Government’s) issue.
He said as far as the BRE was concerned, the land they call Lubemba was being presided over by Chitimukulu.
[pullquote]it was not the job of the BRE to take minutes. “Our job ends at appointing and installing…ifya gazette ifyo fyabo”.[/pullquote]
However, Prof Luo was quoted in the media stating that a person could only become a chief after being gazetted by the president.
Prof Luo said the Bemba Royal Establishment had not followed procedure leading to the enthronement of Paramount Chief Chitimukulu.
“The issue of chiefs in terms of who becomes a chief by title is based on the chiefs Act. The chiefs Act stipulates that after the selection is done by the royal establishments. They have to send these minutes to the government. After the government has examined the minutes and it is satisfied that this person qualifies, the ministry then sends them to the President,” she said.
“Only the President has powers to gazette a chief, and as far as we are concerned, there is no Paramount Chief Chitimukulu, until that process is done, and it has been done for all the chiefs in Zambia with no exception.”
[pullquote]“Only the President has powers to gazette a chief, and as far as we are concerned, there is no Paramount Chief Chitimukulu, until that process is done, and it has been done for all the chiefs in Zambia with no exception.”[/pullquote]
Prof Luo explained that the Chiefs Act stipulate that a person could only become a chief after being gazetted by the President.
“That is what our chiefs Act says. Even those of you who are saying ‘Paramount Chief Chitimukulu’, do you have evidence that he has been gazetted? He has not been gazetted. So, there is absolutely no discussion as far as I am concerned. We have to wait until such a time that the selection minutes and procedures are followed,” said Prof Luo.
And Prof Luo warned UPND leader Hakainde Hichilema against using chiefs to champion his political agendas. She said the government did not want political leaders to use chiefs as political tools.
“We want to give them (chiefs) back the respect and we want to work with them. They are part of the governance system and they are going to be part of our development agenda and are partners in reducing rural poverty,” she said.
Prof Luo wondered why Hichilema went to pay a courtesy call on Paramount Chief Chitimukulu, whom the government had not yet recognised.
[pullquote]Prof Luo wondered why Hichilema went to pay a courtesy call on Paramount Chief Chitimukulu, whom the government had not yet recognised.[/pullquote]
“He Hichilema is an educated man, he knows about the chiefs Act and that is why I have been quiet because I don’t even know what I am supposed to be saying. I have no documents on my table on which to make any comments on Paramount Chief Chitimukulu,” she said.
“If people decide to be calling chiefs by title because they just want to fight with government or they want to politicise, that is their baby to nurse. They should not even involve us into their political agendas. We as a ministry are waiting for the minutes on the resolutions to elect Paramount Chief Chitimukulu.
Don’t these chiefs know? PF has come with it’s own rules, it’s donchi kubeba baby. Time you danced to this song during the elections you were unwittingly appending your signatures to any whims the PF would see fit in the future one of which was to Hijack traditions. It’s just wild for you owns. But all is not lost my friends. In 2016 you have the power to turn all this around. Listen to my voice, watch my lips. DO NOT VOTE IN THE PF IN 2016. Epo napela mukwai.
@dudelove
yawe.. zithu zyashupa with this log
“ ifya gazette ifyo fyabo“ the problem here is log on bushilubemba `s feet, until that log is remove, this problem wont go away
mudala Ndobo swe kwebelezya biyo akukamba maningi. Not only are these chaps the most hopeless and irresponsible govt we have ever had, they also entertain us. Ku Nganda i never used to have story aba madam and my marriage was getting boring. These guys have come in the nick of time and saved my marriage because we have lots to talk and laugh about!
“And Prof Luo warned UPND leader Hakainde Hichilema against using chiefs to champion his political agendas. She said the government did not want political leaders to use chiefs as political tools.”
For all we know it is Sata and PF who have used chiefs like Mpenzeni as political tools in during the Mkaika bye elections. And it is also Sata and PF who caused confusion in Lubemba chiefdom. HH has never called any chief to campaign for him or meddled in their succession affairs.
Is this another PF BUFI. Why pass the blame to an innocent person ? Why is PF so troubled by HH?
Prof Luo be careful this is not life sciences. You are not dealing with viruses here, but the traditional set up that has existed for centuries.
You see now,Kabilo Chikwemba is the rightful spokes person for the BRE not that Mpika headman used by the PF during the HH saga. The truth is slowly coming out and PF will soon caught with their pants down.
But if he’s been chosen and installed using their correct traditional processes, why not gazette Sosala then? The president’s duty is only to gazette a chief, not to impose his own stooge. What is also wrong with HH visiting the chiefdom as a citizen, gazetted or not? Sometimes even professors can be fools. Ifya bupuba fye, ati chi government, atase.
Some fights are better left alone, why these totally different camps are taking arms on each other is a mistery, i would like to advise the Bemba leaders to distance themselves from these public random fights with the PF, this sort of scenerio is what PF is good at, it would be a shame for respected traditonal affairs to be tabled in such a manner.
As for My dear Lady Miss Luo, please refrain from making public debates over these Traditional rulers, why not sit it out like Learned people? By the way i couldnt help noticing that the Bashilubemba are a full blown domain of male chemical compunds which i doubt would hear anything any female would say nomatter how soft the massage may be, so sad that no women are involved, maybe this would have been resolved calmly and maturely.
am wandering what are u talking about?? Will change the gvnt in 2055 so its up 2u my dear 2join the moving train or not!!
The inconsistencies in PF are appalling if not embarrassing.Where was Nkandu Luo when Sata was insisting on ungazzetted chiefs travelling at state expense to attend the House of Chiefs ntweno?So what is wrong for HH visiting ungazzetted chiefs at his own expense if the president can spend state resources on them.And they are now talking about using chiefs for political ntweno when it suits them to make spineless old fools like Mpezeni to campaign for them.
This now hot for my brother….
Sata will Collapse in New York, he is playing with fire. He thinks he is above the Chiefs?? Try Chewa People, you will get it. They will put his manhood on the Forehead. You don’t play with Tradition or try to challenge them. Luo you want your Items displayed outside?? Go on. You will get what you want.
Nkandu Luo wants the all of BRE to take minutes to her. Doesnt she know she is a subject. But bu Minister bulatumpika abantu and towards elections they want to shower the chief with all praises available on their lips
@kayombo mufuchasa: True, you see how dull these PF Ministers are? Come Elections time, they start their kneeling nonsense, once voted in?? arrogance with no respect for traditional rulers. They are pretenders, maybe it’s their dochi kubeba philosophy?
a minister presiding on affairs she doesnt even understand, awe sure.
Madam, didn’t you get it in the Audio message? You mean chiefs are below Sata? For him to be the Only Person to Gazette a chief? Better watch out. They will bewitch you?? Unless you are depressed or have huge debt and looking for a death bed. Humble yourself and just apologize. What Rubbish are you talking about to control traditional Rulers?? Just because of your useless Ministry?? If you want PF to survive, Sata and you should have respect for Chiefs and all Zambians. Ubukakashi Apo Mupelele. You are an embarrassment.
Chitongo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think this is arrogance from the Minister, since when did taking minutes in traditional affairs become a yardstick to lend credence to the process of installation of a traditional chief?
For Goodness sake installation of a traditional chief is not the same as a board meeting of a publicly traded company LuSE. This is taking western education too far.
Even colonial masters never demanded minutes to recognise our chiefs. I think this is arrogance of the highest order being exhibited by this Government.
Pro Luo is not qualified to issue an unbiased view even though she is the relevant minister in that the preferred candidate is Luo’s relative (a Chibesakunda) meaning she would rather have her relative was installed as Chitimukulu, even if the aberration is slight. However, by lineage and seniority Sosala ought to be the rightful Chitimukulu.
Data yena walasa, she is taking western education to a whole new level! She wants it minuted that Mwine Lubemba balimukoma inembo pabula, what is wrong with this woman kwena?
You, ka Nkandu want to give “back” respect to the Chiefs?
Lady, sit the FCUK back down and check yourself. You have no diplomacy skills, and no respect for the Bemba Chieftaincy. You should get a copy of the audio and listen to what they think of you.
You have alienated fwe Ba Bemba. Ulubemba nalu Lila is what the Chief said. And if you think Ulubemba means the Northern province, think again….it means Ulubemba lwa ku USA, Ulubemba lwa ku UK. Etc – we are everywhere.
Wacepa sana we kapuba we!
Luo you want a fight with the Bembas? you will get it…It appears you can not buy them the way you did the Litunga of the Lozis lol…….
Leave Lozis out of this! king’i kanti? Matata ya hao ki afi?
Indeed leave them out of this!
We as a ministry are waiting for the minutes on the resolutions to elect Paramount Chief Chitimukulu.
Really is that all you need, madam? get serious please, no wonder the chiefs are calling you ati ba Chitongo
Is this a woman or a man?
Neither of the above
It’s the process of someone turning into The Hulk. It was disturbed halfway and got stuck.
How about Bana HH?…is she a house wife or a maid?
How about Bana HH?…is she a house wife or a maid?…
Both kekekekekekekeeee
She is a handsome woman.
According to the Shilubembas ‘We dont want this woman, we want our respect, if it is the salaries, let them take away. As I am speaking Mwamba (Now Chitimululu is Chitimukulu, once we point a finger that your are Chitimukulu we dont go back on our work. If the President is ignorant about our traditions, he can come we explain, let him not indulge in our affairs’
They call themselves the Lubemba Traditional Council not BRE. BRE is for the Litunga. Stop using titles generously.
So who is wrong here, the Gov or the Chief?
Who is misunderstanding the installation process, the Gov or the Chief?
One thing for sure is that these Bemba chiefs do not care whether the Gov deny them allowances or not?
From a scientific perspective the government started a posterori conditions; that of nullifying Sosala as Chitimukulu and as such the government then went search for any a priori conditions that weren’t met to justify the process null and void. The a priori condition not satisfied is that of not taken minutes of the process hence the government not gazzeting Sosala. What a heap of hogwash! Mixing traditional practices with enterprise practice
I THINK THE GOVT IS TOO EMBARRASSEDTO RECOGNIZE PARAMOUNT. WHY HAS IT TAKEN HH FRACAS FOR HER TO SAY THIS. THE CHIEF WAS APPOINTED OVER A MONTH OR SO NOW, THERE WAS A COLOURFUL SEND OFF IN KASAMA, WHY DIDNT SHE COME OUT THEN? WHT DIDNT PF POLICE ARREST THE PEOPLE FOR UNLAWFUL ASSEMPLY? GET SERIOUS
So suppose GRZ reject the current Chitimukulu, is GRZ going to tell the Bemba Royal Establishment to submit another name?? Ascent to Chitimukulu throne is very clear, always from Mwamba Throne to Chitimukulu, only in special circumstances where there is no Mwamba, can the Chitimukulu come in from Chinsali. This is not the case here! Politicians can be so mean sometimes!
Sorry not Bemba Royal Establishment, but Lubemba Traditional Council
You can’t start a war with Bembas and win. Ask Kaunda he knows better. He got rid of kapwepwe but they chased him from chinsali
Calling are those with roots from Lubemba and those friends of the Lubemba to support our Chiefs morally, Spiritually, Materially and Financially as was the case well before. Let all Zambians be proud of their Heritage and lets not leave it to be diluted by politicians. Who always get to reality whenever they leave offices.
Viva our Heritage
There is a shout of a king in the comp.
Iwe ka Nkandu, we wabe imyona nge mpelembe(Buffalo) iyili paku fwa, do you not realize you are playing with the Bemba heritage that has existed waaaay before your sorry arse? And for what?
Just take those sausage fingers out of royal business. And by the way that gold is so cheap you look like a down-and-out prostitute at a congolese border market. Use all that plundered money to get the real deal.
You look like sh!t on a stick. Take it somewhere else we mbwa we.
Kwena ulalanda. Where did you grow up? You just made laugh. Ati sausage fingers and down-and- out prostitute at a Congolese border market. You even know such places! lol!
They should just install Chief Chikwanda or Puta as Chitimukulu and move on ! The government needs to concentrate on development and not these primitive things! The Shi Lubemba should have respect for the President. He is the Head of State and they have no right to insult and defame His Excellence. I hope the government will move in very soon and show these hopeless people that Boma ni Boma!
I wish you knew what you are talking about…
No Zambian president has ever won an election without a Bemba support
And I hope you remove your head out of your arse pretty soon and realize that some things are best left alone.
This is to you Goncalves.
The real looser here is Sata and ‘this woman’, and PF. This is a fight Sata, Luo and PF will loose. For your information uluBemba is sculpted around unbreakable tradition that binds abaBemba together solidly.
Iwe Mbuzi stop worshiping the Chitongo of a President. Give that key board to your children they might type some sense. your IQ is too low.
be serious with your misplaced knowledge. why do you think the British still maintain the royals above government? chiefs are born and elected. maybe in your none existence tribe and clan.
@Goncalves, taumfwa . Iwe you’re just a trouble maker. There’s no way you can speak of the President in those positive terms. You have never said anything good about him . Why today? I think you just like provoking and annoying people.
Ulicipuba iwe. Bembas are correct, and fully decided on this. U PF will just loose period. Confirms Sata is NOT Bemba nafi Luo fyakwe
The down fall of Ukwa… opening too many war fronts
Bemba’s
Lozi
etc
“The art of war….”
Its going to end in tears in 2016
whats with pf ministers and the chiefs..whats their interest..?atase..chimulomo nkandu
Ati Goncalves, sometimes you really express yourself as a retard.
These are primitive institutions that should be done away with. Its time we got rid of these remnants of feudalism! The President has been presented with a great opportunity here. He should move quickly to abolish this Lubemba chieftainship and methodically move to the rest of them! PF should concentrate on development and not be destructed by these primitive issues!
How about Bana HH?
Before minutes evn reach the Minstry fr Chiefs here is a chap rushes there to advance his politcal lust fr power.Gazetation & legality has to be thru Chiefs Act.U rember before 2011 elections RB threatened to dethrone Nkhomeshya.And after elections Nkomeshya comented instead hr being apeasement.Be objective jst like u claim to be educated not thru back door strategy.retired someone lost his job.Ths implies Govt recognition realy has role to play.But under 5 has no breath to wait bt explore his insatiable lust fr power by al means!Can ths man easeup?The man can use anythng if it gives public atention &
Let nkanduluo become chitimukulu coz that’s wat she want.
imwe fipuba, Chitimukulu ni Chitimukulu elo Sata ni Chipuba sana fye
For me, education or to be educated means to learn and know when to understand even those that may not understand you. To respect even principles that you do not believe in just so that others that believe in them could feel respected. Professor Luo, soft is strong. Publicity can only lead to loss of reputation, deepening wounds of misunderstandings and of course stressing yourselves for nothing. In this scenario, there is only one loser, and thats you and your government and all its representatives. Change course for God’s sake!!
Why are Bembas still shouting pamaka and Donchi kubeba when it’s clear that PF has no regards for their tradition let only their chitimukulu? Time to make PF pay is now. Vote for MMD in Mansa and shame this arrogance all you Bembas! Wake up!!!!!
IN 2016 IT BETER TO PRIVATISE THE GOVENMENT THAN VOTING HH.PF WILL WIN TUKA MUNAYA BA KATOLELA BA UPND PARTY YA KUMUSHI
WHY DON’T WE WAIT FOR 2016,THE POLITICAL LANDSCAPE WILL NOT BE THE SAME AS 2013.NO PARTY IN THE HAS RULED FOREVER EXCEPT CHINA WHERE THERE IS NO OPPOSITION
To stop this bickering, Zambia needs to go federal or break-up. We are tired of mixing with these uncultured folks. Let former North-Western and North-Eastern Rhodesias be restored and allowed self determination.
Let this *********donchi kubeba kantemba hides its failure to perform in picking up quarrels with Chiefs, among themselves, opposition political party leaders.
Nkandu, you are an embarrassment. uluBemba has rejected you. uluBemba has no time for abashafundwa, sellouts, charlatans, Iscariots. uluBemba will be here long after PF is no more. So all those academic credentials you achieved were so much a waste of your life and time, huh! Nothing to show for it!
Perfect failures on the way down. just like Amos Malupenga, just like Winter Kabimba, just like SATA himself. THE FALL FROM GRACE. No strategy.
In whichever direction you look, it is visibly clear that PF is seriously fighting against its own shadows! When PF see its head’s shadow- it fights it, it sees leg’s shadow – it fights it, it sees the bums shadow – it fights it etc…oooh!!!
This PF government is insulting us fwe babemba. your time is up. Bashi lubemba offered to educate you about the process but you have opted to follow your ignorance. This is nonsense. Madam Luo, please icefyeni na bakateka. You can keep your Chief’s Act and we will keep our tradition. Intambi ni ntambi. PERIOD!
What gazette? the chiefs have been around before GRZ. So who gazetted them then? GRZ, stay out of it or you wil see men flying on broom sticks tonight.
Well done ZWD for making the recording available online. Not only is it informative but also authoritative. It made listen to real Bemba as I studied at an intermediate level (form 3)
I used to admire this woman minister but I am wondering whether she is the same person I used to admire. She says “they are our partners in development” and not any other person. The professor has no regards for anyone but she is forgetting that she is there just for a while and chiefs are there till death. Please remember where you are coming from.
Zambia is a union of willing tribes. Without tribes there is no Zambia. I can be a tribesman without being a Zambian. Nationalism is a foreign concept on trial ; and the way it is being demonstrated does not give much hope of success.
If you tamper with our traditional chiefdoms then we do not want this government.
In fact 2016 is too far away , something must happen to create change.
Yangu tata! What is happening?
Now this ka Luo who is insulting Chitimukulu is suppose be his subject, te? What kind of a silly kingdom then is this bemba one which works in reverse, subjects are telling their royals what to do. Would a lozi say such labishi to the Litunga or a Ngoni to the Nkhosi ya ma kosi? never!
People, any ideas of how can support our chiefs
Since Chitongo and the man/woman of his have cut their allowances?
Remember, even a one cent/pence/ngwee or whatever little amount can
Go a long way together with the support of pipo back home. A consistent small amount every month from everyone
Interested can go along way to support the chiefs till 2016. I know the idea sounds far fetched
Especially with all the frauds going around. …and issues of trust. With the involvement
Of one of the bashilubemba, who knows, something can work out!
I end by saying this is just a suggesting before my head is beaten
Off! Cheers!
Number 18 uli chipelelo chitongo wa lulamba lwa bemba threatening Bashilubemba will not help out be levelheaded chiefs have been there for ages do you know susula nachitapankwa be careful kuti wayamba ukupela buleuluka ulubemba lukalamba sana
“And Prof Luo warned UPND leader Hakainde Hichilema against using chiefs to champion his political agendas. She said the government did not want political leaders to use chiefs as political tools”.
Inga ba Mpezeni balechie nshi ku rally yaba kateka inga abanabo teti balebatandalalila?
Appalling double standards.
The PF government should seriously reconsider their position on this matter. It is very unfortunate that Sata and Nkandu who hail from Lubemba are the ones in the forefront orchestrating this malicious war on Chitimukulu. This is a war sata and nkandu cannot win. Bashi Lubemba do not need sata’s and nkandu’s approval for the installation. I call upon all traditional establishments in the country to stand up against this traditional violation. Today it is with Chitimukulu, tomorrow it will be another traditional ruler. We the people, have spoken. PF is opening up too many war fronts, and like Hitler, they will be defeated!!!
Now they have met their match. The Bashi Lubemba are bold and can stand their ground unlike the Lunda chiefs in Zambezi that Sata and Nkandu Luo told off and they backed off quietly. What is the stand of the House of Chiefs in this matter?
Instead of doing her ministerial duties she’s talking about chiefs. Tired old lady.
Who came first, the Bembaland or the government of Zambia?
Who is the “Boss” between the two: Bashilubemba or the President?
I shudder and fear for politicians…..
Nkandu Luo please note that writing minutes is NOT part of our tradition. Minutes are Musungu culture. Ask Welensky if he got minutes of Bashilubemba’s installation of the Chitimukulu. We DO NOT WRITE in our tradition and that is what makes it TRADITION!!!!
The Bemba should also ask for the own country like the Lozi. PF has no respect for any one.
This is the time i was waiting for, let our lozi brothers take their kingdom, bembas as well and other follow suit and we will see who these imbeciles will be governing. Today she is warning HH of using tradition chiefs, what was Mpezeni doing at their political rally? PF is full of mad people and Luo is the chief CHITONGO! Ububi pamenso kwati chintu chilenya mumume!
Am sure you mean His excellency with a ‘Y’. Not an ‘E’
Luo should leave HH alone, she knows the reason why they are refusing to gazette Sosala, they want to instal one who will dance to their tune their blood relation. How many people in PF work before taking the Oath of office, the same with this issue. Why do they apply rules only when it is good for them. The President has been calling Chiefs to state house for political mileage so what is she taking about painting HH as though he is doing something out of the ordinary. Just keep quiet and keep your integrity
Ba Lubemba how & why imediatly aftr yr ritual rite befor govt oficialy gazetes the Chitimukulu u evn invite politcal figures.Why?Insteadof waitng fr formal recogntion u messed it politcal leaders.For wht?And yet its requirmt fr a chief to be gazeted.U evn knw all ths.Wht elese do u expect frm govt?Dont rush things.
People please don’t be hard on Luo. When you stay without a man for too long, you lose all sense.
Sometimes even profesas are stupid wat she vomits is sickening!
What is the permanent secretary Coillard Chilala Chibbonta doing abt it.The minister should consult from him because he(Chibbonta) must be in the best position to knw exatly what happens.Ministers are not better than permanent secretary in most areas.Thank u
Coillard can not be consulted for even though he may be in the best position to give government guidance, the ones causing the fracas may as well tell him to shut up as he is no Bemba as themselves.
Guys, did you notice the pounds of flesh hanging on Nkandu Luo’s arms, is this not the mitambo ya nama we are seeing here? This cow is so ugly, this is the type that render credence to the believe that men are descended from apes. Anyway, people from Nabwalya could just as well be from gorillas, I mean, both Adam and Eve would deny such aesthetically unpleasant apes are their descendants.
Some Professors are dull. Like those in presidential ambition wrangles, she has helped in UNpopularising PF. Thanks Prof. At the appropriate time, I will withdrawing my PF vote here in Malole Constituency. May Time fly.