Paramount chief Chitimukulu Kanyanta Manga II of the Bemba people has challenged government to arrest him if they are aggrieved that he has been installed as Mwinelubemba.
The Mwinelubemba, Henry Chanda Sosala told the Daily Nation from Kasama yesterday that he would be in the town to wait for police officers to arrest him.
Chief Chitimukulu was responding to an order by Chiefs and Traditional Affairs minister Nkandu Luo that he and the other chiefs that were masquerading as duly elected chiefs should be arrested.
“Ok I am around, I am not at Kanyanta village, I am in Kasama and it will be easy for them to arrest me. I don’t remember imposing myself as Mwinelubemba but the Bashilubemba are the ones that elevated me to this position,” said the Paramount chief.
He said the Supreme Court ruled has already ruled that the appointing authority for the Paramount chief of the Bemba people was the Bashilubemba and not anyone else.
Earlier at a press briefing in Lusaka, Professor Luo said the law enforcement agents should arrest all chiefs that were not recognised by government including Henry Kanyanta Sosala.
“Anybody who is walking around and calling himself a chief in a chiefdom where they have not been recognised are committing an offence and must be arrested,” Prof Luo said.
She said Mr Sosala did not follow procedure together with several other individuals who were claiming to be chiefs in Zambia.
“As far as this office is concerned, we do not recognise anybody who has not been gazetted by President Sata,” Prof Luo said.
The minister further said the Mwamba chiefdom did not have a chief because procedure was not followed when choosing Mr Sosala and that it was not only Mr Sosala who was masquerading but many others.
“The Musokotwane chiefdom of Southern province has not had a chief because they also did not follow procedure, we are not selective when applying the law,” she said.
Prof Luo cited Mr Kapotwe’s case who went to Chienge district in chief Puta’s area and decided that he becomes Chief Puta when in fact the holder of the throne had been governing the area for quite some time.
“In this country, there is only one person who recognizes chiefs and that is the president of the republican of Zambia,” she said.
Prof Luo told journalist that whoever was claiming to be chief should produce their recognition from the president.
“There is supposed to be a meeting which is called to select a chief guided by the Chiefs Act. The members who attend the selection meeting, other government institutions, chief affairs officers, and other people are recorded according to traditions that select the chief,” Prof Luo said.She said people who attend were recorded together with the the minutes of the meeting.
“After the meeting, the provincial local government officer submits the minutes and the record of discussion to the provincial minister who scrutinises and forwards them to my ministry. And when they get here our director of chief’s affairs also scrutinises and compiles the minutes with a covering letter and then recommends to the president’s office,” Prof Luo said.
Nkandu says—————“In this country, there is only one person who recognises chiefs and that is the president of the republican of Zambia,”
Really!!!!!!!!!!! I can`t believe this woman Nkandu Luo can say such crap.
ugliness has gotten to her professor head. kwaliba wemuntu umoneka fye uwavanduka. Nelyo uli mu shade na aircon ileputa but pa menso kwati wiminine pa kasuba?
It is really sad that we have continued perpetuating colonial tendencies and laws.Prof Luo’s statement that its only the president that can recognize a chief is achronological and is a statement that should not be uttered in this time dispensation. For one the president was voted by less that 50% of Zambians so he does not represent the will of all Zambians.Secondly presidents are only there for a 4 year term whereas chiefs serve for life.It would be dumb and primitive to allow a one or two term president to decide on traditional leadership.Our colonial matters however put themselves over chiefs as part of their imperialist policies, this should not continue in an independent country.Our laws are primitive and hindering progress they need to be changed NOW
When Prof. Luo says it is only the President who recognizes chiefs, she did not mean that the President appoints Chiefs. This is what happens when people already have other things in their minds against someone (the President in this case. What she means is that after all that procedure is followed up to the Chief’s Affairs Officer, the minutes are sent to the President who also makes sure that procedure was followed and the right person was appointed. He merely signs if all procedure is followed, not that he appoints NO. In this case there are no minutes and appropriate people did not take part in the selection, what do you expect? Those of you who never did History in your school days, be informed that these are the things that brought about tribal wars in the past (SHAKA, ZWANGENDABA)
There is no point in insulting the Minister here. I am now wondering what is at play here; is it ignorance or total inability to understand issue? In traditional circle, there are Coup De Tarts as well. An example was the Chief Puta Saga. Even if Sosala is the right person, there must be minutes to show he was unanimously chosen. What the minister is talking about here has nothing to do with the lineage of Sosala, but just procedure.
NOW, I DON’T WANT ANYBODY TO SHOW HIS/HER IGNORANCE HERE. JUST GO TO THE MARKET AND SELL VEGETABLES.
Let me also mention here that it is very possible to abolish chiefdoms. Nyerere did it in Tanzania. There are no chiefdoms in Tanzania (I mean NO CHIEFS IN TZ). If you want to prove, go there and ask. I have had a lot of chats with Tanzanians and I confirmed there are no chiefs in Tanzania. As a result, everyone is free to live the way they want. Of course there are tribes but no chiefs. So careful.
One would be surprised when one browses through that woman’s CV that she could make sure a statement. We have too many educated f#$ ls in Zambia.
*….such a statement. ..
@ ba pozo mwanjipaya kekekekekekeke
mfula pakuya ilonaula ifisabo. these are last kicks of a dieing horse. instead of making piece when you approach the end of your journey on earth, some people choose to make more enemies. up side down thinking
She is a blind follower, She does not speak out of her own accord.
@Pozo, that is best of the month yayayayayayayaba
Ni “Chimbwi No Plan” Beats me how all these people have taken leave of their senses. Some of these people were sharp minds but all of a sudden have become blunt.
I stand to be corrected’
After people do everything, the president is only informed of the decision. I don’t think he should have any proposal or debate to people’s choice as he is not the appointing authority for Chiefs.
Kingdomless Chief, LOL!
ABAICE BABOSA FYE IN THIS MEDIA WITHOUT BOTHERING TO RESEARCH AND FIND OUT WHY THE PRESIDENT IS NOT GIVING A GREEN LIGHT TO CHANDA SOSALA TO OCCUPY BEMBA PLOT 1. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN. BY THE WAY WHO IS THE PARAMOUNT CHIEF OF THE NKOYAS? CAN SOMEONE EDUCATE ME, PLEASE?
OK Chief we support you but truthfully the cells are bad. Don’t do such dares. Never forgotten 2002 Christmas when I bought a Mercedes and did a spin at the mobile filling opposite Evelyn Hone and went to the Brown Frog. They caught up with me very quickly and it was Christmas and New year Gone. Even bring me out wasn’t very nice through dancing people. Not even my family and wife could find me. Don’t dare chief. Here my word. I learnt
@Cat Power. OK boss u may have a point to bring forth/across, but ka zungu! Use your local language to communicate; it helps, or u have a chines phone when u r typing, it is giving u grammatical options which r errors. Anyway, ba professor is equally becoming insane like Chumbu Katongo Munshololwa. How can the two walk together unless they agree. Be careful with the Bemba’s ba Luo. Pasopo!
THAT’S COOL ADVICE TO THE CHIEF. HOWEVER, WHAT IS SURPRISING IS THAT NOT EVEN BASHILUBENDA ARE FURNISHING US WITH INFO ON HOW THEY APPOINTED THIS CHITIMUKULU. ISN’T THERE ANY DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE? ISSUES MUST BE EVIDENCE-BASED. BY THE WAY THIS IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR LEARNING- CAN’T THE BASHILUBEMBA EDUCATE THE ZAMBIANS ON THE PROCESS OF APPOINTING THE NEW CHIEF?
Sosala is not a chief. He is just an ordinary man like GBM.
Iwe kolwe kabiwe uko!!!!!
Sata is scared of the bald head of Sosala, so he can not recognise him as chitimukulu.
@LITUNGA.
Whoever you are may God forgive tour STUPIDITY.
Shame that government has enganged itself in a “cold war” with traditional rulers instead of working together as partners in making sure that development is achieved!
This in a nutt shell enlightens you to see clearly were their motives en priorities are based. That is in working hard to impower those that can “protect” and partner with them in making bad choices! Otherwise, what’s the fuss all about? We all know why but I keep wondering why this keeps dragging en everyone keeps looking on!
Tell the nation what laid down procedure were not followed. Then guide them from there.
@Yaluka, well said- in just one sentence, brilliant. Luo should have told bashilubemba, ”Hey, you forgot to do something here. Please let’s have this redone”, period. What did we see? 500 cops bristling with hardware, were sent to Kasama to surround the Chitimukulu’s palace. Even during the Mushala uprising, we did not see that type of mobilization. When you are applying for a passport, for example, and you forget to fill in the affidavit, the officer will tell you to fill it in and bring it together with the application forms. From there, bingo, you have your passport. Is there something that we don’t know over this Chitimukulu saga?
Bewitch the bitch together with her companion who’s already on death bed
Plse Madam order yo police to arrest him, he s still waiting for u. and see what the bembas are going to act. U big ule, that y u were divorced by Banda ..Sata has just come now and chiefs were there before u were born too. kindly stop yo nosense..
divorced by Manda, not Banda……..
TELL HER. Y CHANGE THINGS FROM THE BLUES! LEAVE THE CHIEFS ALONE AND SORT OUT THE KWACHA
I challenge the Govt of Sata to go and arrest him if he is in a wrong position. What are you waiting for? The man is ready to defend himself.Since you know as a govt that he is a wrong man on this position, why not send police now so that this case can be closed. Am sure you are touching a wrong button. Try it and you will see the outcome with your own eyes. Have you ever been KWAMUNUNGA, HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THIS TOWN……. Am scared ,,,,,,, very scared…. good lucky.
Provincial Cop Katanga must be sweating! Who will bell the cat?On the other hand is is appointing authority breathing down her slender neck!
My view is that the law should be repealed so that the appointing of chiefs is left to the tribal establishment. The President or simply the government should only be informed. It was crazy of the MMD to use taxpayer’s money to buy expensive vehicles and the PF to increase their allowances. My view is that if a tribe fails to look after its chief, let the position die a natural death.
Too many ego`s and personal interests have had contributed to this problem.As somebody who dealt with this family about a decade ago i know that there is more to it than what meets the eye.GBM,Nkandu Luo and Sata himself are somehow connected to the loyal family(GBM and Nkandu especially).It is just a pity that they are all using the media and offices to wash their dirty linen in public.I wish these people will find a way to sit down and discuss their problems.Where is Bwalya Chiti ?
@Saulosi,
At least you not the first to comment today. And surprise, surprise no invectives against your opponents. I wonder how you have missed Chipimo and oh, of course your favorite, HH. So predictable.
The matter remains trite. The Bembas have spoken through their traditional representatives and have of their own chosen and appointed a Chitimukulu.
Hear this o yea that repose in power, momentarily. The Chitimukulu is Sosala and shall remain so till he rest at Shimwalule!
I am glad that today there are Bemba bloggers that are coming to cause of this their King. That is as it should be! Learn from the Lozis who will never never ever allow you to say even a little slander against the Litunga. I love their deep respect for mulena.
Saulosi
You must be smoking something good. Since when was Ukwa connected to the chiefdom? Do you know who Ukwa really is and where he comes from? Have you ever head of Ukwa’s brother, cousin or sister? Please point one to us
@TheEngineer(Chibolya)
I can`t explain how Sata is connected because it is a waste of time.
Sata is lucky Sosala is a Christian.Old bemba chiefs used to be good at magic.Part of the initiation process was mastering witchcraft. He could have been dead by now.Lucky man.
Ba Minister; please leave us alone. You have the country’s economy to sort out. You do not start what you cant finish! Otherwise you are just inviting hell on yourselves. M******mweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
At times its good to let the sleeping dogs lie; avoid trouble and trouble will avoid you. There are so many urgent issues which the little energy Mwango is left with need his attention. How does mwinelubemba’s status affect the kwacha, employment, lack of medicine, KCM saga, constitution, political violence, defilers, useless ministers etc ? Charlis sex must focus on these important national issues!
Bembas are good at blogging /talking trash and yet their chitimukulu his being victimized by sata .defend your leader u monkey eaters and stop portraying yourself as smart people while u are cowards.such nonsense can’t happen in Gawa udi kingdom or barotseland.let this be a warning to all Zambians,the pf allalies are Sudan,north Korea,Cuba and zimzim.
Should read allies…..please
THE BEMBAS HAVE MOVED ON. THEY ARE NOT TRIBAL IN THINKING. THE OLD ORDER OF THINGS HAS CHANGED NOW. AS THE WORLD BECOMES GLOBAL ALL,SUCH TRIBAL ARRANGEMENTS ARE SLOWLY BECOMING IRRELEVANT. CULTURES HAVE ALL BEEN EVOLVING. IN TANZANIA THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT RECOGNISE THESE KINDS OF ARRANGEMENTS BECAUSE THEY DIVIDE US ON TRIBAL LINE. HOWEVER WHERE SUCH STILL HOLD SWAY, THEY MUST BE RESPECTED THERE AND THEN. AND IN THIS CASE SATA AND PF HAVE MADE A VERY GRAVE ERROR. THE BASHILUBEMBAs HAVE CHOSEN THE PERSON WHO SHOULD BE THEIR CHIEF. SATA SHOULD NOT INTERFERE.
@ Chikubabeniso, what have you done about the new constitution which Sata has denied you? What about the useless kwacha? Matthew 7:3 says “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?”. Maybe Koswe meat has given you brain damage!
You call us cowards, you rat…where can I meet you so that I can land my blows on you relentlessly and you begin to respect Bembas?
I thought the President’s role was only to recognise not to force people choose a man of his choice!
What the hell! If the royal family has reached a consensus and chosen their rightful ruler why should someone refuse to recognise such a person? Is the president wiser than all the bashi lubemba put together? Nonsense, this just allows personal egos and hatred to come in disrupt what has been in existence for centuaries .
When will this saga come to an end? We need a substantive Chitimukulu. If Kanyanta Sosala is so ordained by ba shilubemba, let him take position. But this should be after reconciliation with the head of state. Confrontational stance can not solve anything. Kanyanta Sosala as the appointed Chitimukulu should be wary of political vultures like HH whose opportunism can stop at nothing to plant seeds of discord in Bembaland and Zambia at large by dishing out huge amounts to his targeted weak points. Why is it that only yesterday the chap HH produced a press statement to the effect that Sata should stop harrasing Bembas and today Kanyanta Sasala is daring government to arrest him. This is not mere coincidence. I smell collaboration.
Iwe kolwe, just defend the Chitimukulu and stop being the typical thief and opportunity your lot are known for.
Kandu if you don’t know what you are talking about shut up and concentrate on finding a man for yourself that’s why Dr Manda dropped you you are good for nothing Sata is using you and you can’t see wake up and smell the coffee before it is too late.
I have to say, Sata’s PF philosophy of governance of the Country is the exact opposite of the developed World’s philosophy. Countries that are developed today, like here in UK, got to this level by nurturing its people’s centuries old traditions and norms. For instance, UK has what is called ‘Listed Buildings’- these are buildings of a certain age which are protected by law from any alterations by owners. This is to preserve tradition. A people’s tradition is a people’s backbone.
Developed Countries are founded on a tradition which has its roots in a village concept, hence the Listed Buildings for one.
I can therefore categorically say Sata’s PF had got it the wrong way round by making ‘gazetting’ a Chief by Govt to be more paramount than what the subjects have decided.
Mwebantu lekeni Sosala Kanyanta ateke.What is the problem?As if he is the only Chief in Zambia where the debate cannot stop.
From last year to date on one subject.Why can’t we talk about economy,street children,defilement,marijuana,local contractors,zesco load shedding,chinese investors,poverty,ARVS,Poaching,KCM Tax evasion,RTSA,Expulsion of opposition MPS,Water problems,victimization of workers,accidents,prostitution,Minibus drivers and their reckless driving,bridge across Zambezi at Kazungula,Sesheke road,Bogus Bishops and Reverends.Fingi efyo twingalanda po pamo nge calo ca Zambia.Ne cikalamba sana COLOURLESS ANIMAL….CORRUPTION
@15 Chikubabeniso, what have you done about the new constitution which Sata has denied you? What about the useless kwacha? Matthew 7:3 says “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?”. Maybe Koswe meat has given you brain damage!
@mutale chikwanda,mbuya I have set some strategy on constitution but I will reveal them in future,because this mwachusa may get hold of it.koswe is nice meat but we start hammering the tail first mbuya niwa,kikikikiki
IT IS SO SAD THAT EVEN PROFESSORS CAN PUT THEMSELVES IN THE SHOES OF THE UNEDUCATED. LEAVE CHIEF SOSALA AND OTHER DULLY ELECTED CHIEFS ALONE YOU LUO. NO BROTHER OR UNCLE OF YOURS WILL BE CHIEF CHITIMUKULU. GOVERN OUR COUNTRY AND PUT MONEY IN PEOPLES POCKETS AND ALSO RELEASE THE CONSTITUTION OTHER THAN YOU TALKING CRAP BY GOING AGAINST THE APPOINTED. CHANGE ……!!!!
Luo careful, walaaba insamino yakwa cnp
Bashilubemba may not have attained the level of education necessary to understad these legal issues. It’s unfortunate the govt is capitalizing on trivial legal irregularities instead of advising them. The question govt should consider is; ‘will they appoint the same person if they duly follow the procedure?’ If the answer is yes then Sosala must be recognized. Even courts do not reverse the decisions of lower courts just because of some few technical errors, if in their opinion the result would have been the same even in the absence of such errors.
For now, Sosala should just challenge the President’s decision not to recognize him as Chitimukulu in court, so that the whole thing can undergo judicial review.
This is highly dependent on the degree of the courts.
Ooops! I meant to say: This is highly dependent on the degree of independence of the courts from presidential interference.
Bushe lubali nshi watuntukako iwe mune sosala?Wafuma kwa Chanda Mukulu nangu ni kwa Ngoshe Mukote bati? Bushe uli mwina N’gandu fye uwapwililika iwe? Ine nkumona kwati uli mulungwana. Nalimo nico nshaishiba wiso na noko.Pambi kuti waba mwishikulu Chitimukulu Kanyanta. Awe kwena umoneka fye ngomwina fyalo noto tusote watema ukufwala.
Number 1.1 Pozo
Yaba!!
You’re cracking people’s ribs. Don’t be surprised if 100s turn up with prescriptions that you should pay their medical fees. Hahahahaha
Tell the nation what sosala has done. am looking to seeing PF campaign in northern province and excuse they will give on this matter.
HH is a big threat , but mind you he is not Bemba . Leave the Chitimukulu alone, he was the people’s choice .
arrest me chicalas
This selfstyled president has made it easy for us to penetrate Northern Province. Pf has lost huge support it traditionaly commands there!
It is a pity that even those perceived as learned people can sink so low because of trying to impress someone and keep a job. These are the same chaps who are misleading the president because they are afraid to differ with him on principle and intellectually. This is very sad and no wonder the country seems to have no direction because there are just too many blind followers masquerading as leaders and misrepresenting the people. It is really embarrassing what sort of leaders we have!
Ba Presido, kindly re think what you are messing around with, it does not pay not to listen to the masses, mind you the masses are your masters, RB is not far away to give you advise on how messing around with the masses normally backfires. RB has a big testimony on this kind of advise and I guess he is no longer economical with giving out such advise for free.
Chief Mukuni says it’s the people, not presidential recognition that makes a chief
Senior Chief Mukuni of the Toka-Leya people of Southern Province has argued that the recognition of a Chief by the Head of State alone does not make one a Chief in the eyes of the subjects.
Chief Mukuni explains that in the eyes of the people there are many processes required to be followed for one to be Chief of which recognition by the Head of State is just one of them.
Chief Mukuni has told QFM News in an interview that Tradition must be respected because it has always been there before governments where formed.
Imwe mwebashilingile lekeni ukulanda pali uyu mulandu pantu tamwaishiba intambi shesu. Ninsambunshi mukwete mwebangolongondo ukulaitumpa mumilandu ya Lubemba?
@EDOCHIE . You MUST be a Mwachiusa like your uncle SATAn. Just keep your stupidity to yourself and eat while your relative is in State House. Ala. Ifyabupubafye. What do you know about traditions? Have you read what Chief MUKUNI has highlighted challenging MR. I mean Ms Ugly LUO? Time for reckoning is coming to account for the loot your are stealing which you do not even deserve.
Its a pity that Persons are condeming Nkandu and Sata and praising an imposter like Sosala.
If he is the chosen one, then let him humbly, and quetly call his kangaroos and follow the law as SATA wants. He will be King in no time!
As it stands now with him throwing his weight around thinking all Bembamen will protect him, he better look back again. He may only have HH and GBM.
Are those the effects of ‘ambi extra’ on the face?
I think Nkandu Luo contradicts herself when she first says the President being a kind of Authority that must say that the person is now chief, then she say the following “…, and other people are recorded according to traditions that select the chief,” So she acknowledges the chiefs are selected according to their traditions.So if they are selected by their tradition to become chief there is nothing the President can do but only accept their choice of selection. So in this case Sosaala Kanyanta is Chitimukulu. Unless if the President had the power to select or overrule the choice of the people’s selected chief, meaning also overriding their tradition,which he does not have. Which would mean its no longer tradition but appointment.
@POZO , No one on earth is ugly because we are all made in the image of God UNLESS u are saying God is Ugly too. Well its sad that when intelligent pipo join politics they become bootlikers by supporting whatever nonsense their master says just to maintain their Jobs. How can a president gazette all chielfs in zambia does he even know their clans?? Anyway this is bad to use our one and only microbiologist to start issuing such statements in the nme of politics
@Umubemba nkonko Can u please, stop portraying your s.t.u.p.i.d.i.t.y on the site. After all you may not be a true Bemba from Northern Province so to hell with your dirty comments. You are a numskull.
@ Jairos Jiri, why are you so worked up about Umubemba Nkonko’s comments? And who says there are no true Bembas in Muchinga province e.g. Kwa Nkula in Chinsali(known as Ichinga to us)?
ba sosala jst follow the trdtrulez..ba nkandu naimwe mukalobe iyauma if its hm apoint hm”period”.
What comes first APPOINTMENT OR RECOGNITION??????It is like Nkadu has swapped the two.The chief was appointed and no one within Bemba land has risen against our chief except Nkandu the Bisa (our slave from one of the small tribes the bembas conquered).Nkandu should tone down otherwise to rise.