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PF cadres chanting party slogans during a rally
PF cadres chanting party slogans during a rally in October

HOME Affairs Minister Ronnie Shikapwasha is surprised that the police on the Copperbelt have issued a permit to the opposition Patriotic Front (PF) members to protest over the election of President Rupiah Banda.

He said he could not understand the rationale because the permit when the political party had already petitioned Mr Banda’s election in court.

And Lieutenant General Shikapwasha has warned that Government will deal firmly with individuals trying to fuel anarchy in the country.

But PF secretary general Edward Mumbi said the party had not yet taken the matter to court and its members who wanted to protest peacefully should not be barred.

General Shikapwasha was reacting to media reports that opposition PF on the Copperbelt is this Saturday scheduled to hold a peaceful demonstration to register its displeasure over Mr Banda’s election as Republican president.

Copperbelt Police commanding officer, Antoneil Mutentwa was reported to have said the PF was given a permit to allow them to hold a peaceful demonstration because it was their constitutional right.

But General Shikapwasha said PF had already petitioned Mr Banda’s election in the courts of law where they wanted a recount in certain constituencies and should therefore wait for the court’s ruling on the matter, instead of resorting to protests.

He said he was also surprised that despite knowing that the PF had already taken the issue of elections to court, the police on the Copperbelt issued a permit to the political party to hold peaceful demonstrations.

General Shikapwasha charged it was anarchy for individuals or political parties to protest over the issue, which was in court and warned that Government would deal firmly with individuals trying to fuel anarchy in the country.

“It is not a constitutional right to resort to protesting on something you have already taken to court. This is anarchy and we shall not allow anarchy in the country. PF should just wait for the court’s ruling on the matter.

PF was beaten clean and squarely and if the court rules that a recount be done, they will end up losing more votes,” General Shikapwasha said.

Mr Mumbi said that the fact that his party was about to take court action to call for a recount should not stop people from exercising their rights.

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416 COMMENTS

  4. Who the hell is Shikashani? You dont know that all police officers, teachers and soldiers are pf. We are demonstrating on saturday whether you like or not. HH is a coward thus why i have defected to pf. hh cant win elections cause he is not a politician period.

  5. Shakapwasha wants to keep his job, everyone has the right to express their opinion, stop threatening people, you are the same people who fuel violence in the country. The police did the right thing, its a peaceful demonstration to show that they are not happy about the out come of the election…simple.CHI SHIKAPWASHA ULETONTONKANYA SOMETIMES.

  6. Let them demonstrate. Your Bwezani is sleeping and it seems the whole
    cabinent has gone to sleep. he told us he will appoint new cabinent
    when he comes from South Africa but he did not travel so why the delay.BWEZANI wake up and start working, we can afford 3 years of slumber while the nation needs direction.
    wake up!

  7. PF must realize that Zambia is not just the copperbelt, Why don’t we see such protests in Chipata for example, and besides what do they think they will achieve with this protest. Protest then what? we all know even if you have court cases nothing changes with RB as head of state. My opinion is that PF should just focuss again on the forthcoming erections you may be just on top this time. Am advocating for change talema nawo ba MMD, but such things are not helping matters. SATA try again you may win this time, if you have the strength.

  9. Those chibuku induced crowds did Sata a lot of disservice. Upto now he is still drowning in the the fantancy the crowds created.

  10. When he says the government will deal filmly with individuals, I thought these individuals have sought police permit and police is government, why dont they speak with one voice. Let him not show us their disorganisation.

  11. what happens afta the demo… pf you should just accept you lost. like losing a soccer match and you line up in the street to demonstrate… for what??? if pf have evidence of rigging or other wise, petition the courts.. period. dont incite the masses.

  13. Can PF for once do the right thing and retire the old man Sata. Give him a decent retirement package. Give him a banana boat, he has such a high attachment to boats.

  14. when you take someone to court you can not at the same time be demonstrating because that will amount to contept of court or obstruction of justice by way of trying to influence the courts decision through a public demonstration. PF please you dont need carders and “strong men” this time around. you need lawyers. These kaponyas are misleading you thats why you are always on the wrongside of the Law. Your MPs ignorance was imbarancing enough yesterday at parliament dont add anymore Tapapata.

  16. The difference is that the minister of Home Affairs is a politician belong to MMD whilst the ZP is non partisan which they are trying to exercise. The minister is defending the wishes of his party.

    Please Politician do not interfer with constitution issues, the police do know what they are doing, they are law enforcers. I though this still GOVT OF LAW RATHER THAN MAN, OR PERHAPS OTHERWISE.

  18. Hey #6 do you know why he missed his flight? I do, ana celebreta over and overslept, i can say more if you want. ‘He was at his farm and ……..’

  20. Why protest against a person being elected? I thought you protest against non-compliance to the rules of the game. What if the ones who elected RB also decide to protest against Chilufya’s behaviour?

    Mano yaba Shimaini ayo.

    Abashi Kaponyalism.

  25. MMD is in the forefornt of causing anarchy in the country. They have started arresting people who are democratically expressing their opinions. The arrest of Fr. Frank Bwalya will just bring more troubles. MMD should just concentrate on fullfiling their promises rather than wasting time chasing people around.

  26. Antoneil Mutentwa is a confirmed PF member, actually he was promised IG by Sata – Lt. Ronnie do you copy? He is like Luarent Nkunda in DRC – dissident officer!!!!

  27. With Mposamabwe in Kitwe, they may just be motivated to riot. Ronny is long as they abide the law, they can match.

  28. The only way you can remove MMD is to vote UPND because Sata even if he won, the armed forces would not allow him to rule because of his instability which those with the mandate to ensure that peace continues in Zambia feel may fuel arnachy in the country. The point is thus not to remove MMD from power but to prevent Sata from getting into power and if in the end MMD remains in power, the armed forces have got no problem. I shasre the same views with them because they are the ones with the responsibilitity to ensure that we continue to enjoy peace and Sata is highly unstable. Sata changes frequently and you cannot have such a head of state who can even lead you into war.

  29. It was very wrong for the CB commanding offer to do that, when the matter of elections is already being addressed through legal procedure and the vote verification is already in process. This does not maike any sense as no one has denied PF any legal redress. So protest agains what? The calibre of our officers need to be checked, I do not think Mateyo will even allow that. How can someone that protest is a right for anybody? Of course if there is reason to do so, no body needs to be denied their right to protest. But where is the rationale of protesting if what you demand the Govt says we will comply with you. That is why PF cannot manage to rule this country, because of too much confusion.

  30. And again, this anarchy thing is coming from Shikapwasha, but if I have read correctly in the story, PF are intending to hold peaceful “demon” so were does anarchy come in. This is prejudice

  31. Lets not hear that the permit has been revoked.
    Shakapwashya upto no good, no wonder he could not get another vote beside his at MMD NEC Election syndicate.

  33. Ba mudala bachimona ichikulu nabena. Mmd mukali mucibe the fire is jst startng . Bwezani already is canceling his trips were eva he intends to go. Wersten ppl already are disapointed. Ba mudala bachimona ichikulu nabena. Mmd mukali mucibe the fire is jst startng . Bwezani already is canceling his trips were eva he intends to go. Wersten ppl already are disapointed.

    return

  34. 7 Ba Nzelu
    you are right we want Change but not just Change. change must be for the better. Prior to Elections i thot HH was the better change but then the Post convinced me that UPND was regional and tribal so i went for PF. thats the worst regret ive evr had. yesterday i looked at the ECZ electrol map pull-out, i have since realised that PF is infact more regional and tribal than UPND. Sata only Won in Bemba speaking areas particularly towns with Big bus stations. even in northern he lost the mambwe and namwanga vote then carried the bemba by landslides. i will never vote PF again and i salute the rural people for giving us LPM and Now RB there wisdom is well diserved.

  35. Shikapwasha is scared of the unknown.

    LATEST

    Father Frank Bwalya Station Manager of Radio Ichengelo in Kitwe was arrested yesterday because of talking on the just ended bye elections that they were not free and fair. He has been taken to the unknown place in Kalulush

  37. If people can demonstrate against George Bush, then whats the problem here? Obama won a straight election thats why they are not demonstrating.

    I must salute the wise men and women in our Police Service, am not PF but if its their right let them go ahead.

  38. PF people including Sata himself (PF) have yet to come out of their self induced hallucination. With much noise and zeal, they managed to induce an otherwise unattainable belief of election victory.

    In western countries, this situation could easily have been identified and solutions afforded to the victims. Sata was the master mind of this strong delusion.

  39. thats real PF, this time they are talking about something else and before they conclude that something, they are into something again…….today its petitioning,….tomorrow its demonstration…. teach the people good morals

  40. Bwezani wanted to go for the summit but he was told by the inteligency chiefs that he cant travel out when thare is no vice president. the move was going to be too dangerous.shikapwasha just keep quiet and leave us alone. maestro, Sarah and V.concerpt have overslept today.

  42. Yes! Guy Scott storming out of parliament was reeeally embarassing. He should know better.

    Now they r resorting to demos just bcoz in a demo no one thinks.

    It looks like PF has an issue with thinking. All they do is shout, rebel and insult.

    Ok, I blame Shikapwasha too. There is no need to flare up emotions. Let the security wings do their job. PF has done a right thing for once by getting a police permit, let them enjoy it.

    Let us just hope the demo does not become violent. My prayer is for all non-PF cadres to stay away from the demo. PF needs time and some action to express and settle their emotions.

  43. let them demonstrate its their right what is shikapwasa scared of? you see they don’t have peace of mind what does that imply anyway you have your own answers.

  45. Shikapwasha has no constitutional right to think that pipo could not demostrate while a petition in court. Whether shikapwasha like it or not pipo will go ahead to mount a peaceful demostration on the CB.Im PF but UPND supporter, therefore the demostration is ok and it should show Nyama Soya that he is not the president of Zambia but a president of Eastern and Western Province.
    VIVA HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH for 2011

  46. PF has taken the MMD to court,why demostrate.This is tatamount to understanding the core issues at hand.

    PF you lost,so do not demostrate,so that innocent soul can sympathase with you blindly.

    PF eargerness to go state house by any means worries me.PF Convention SHOULD BE THE BEST ON THE AGENDA THAN DEMOSTRATIONS.

  48. PF has no order.
    PF has requested for a voter verification which has been granted.
    Why the call for protest again.
    Is there ever going to be order in PF?
    Lubinda is told at Mulungushi to air grievances during the announcement of results. Before he even does his job, Michael SATA goes with his document and violently airs his own version which Lubinda is not aware about. Lubinda’s time comes and is asked by journalists he pleads total ignorance of what his boss had done. This is what we call Chaos, and confusion in PF. Everyone does everything without order. Can you run a country like that? Not at all!

  49. No. 34 Anonymous, the reason why PF lost is that they took it for granted that since a lot of people were bemba speaking, they thought they would have that vote, remember our point of saying Sata should be addresing his rallies in English since our constitution states that english is our official language.

  51. Shikapwasha has no constitutional right to think that pipo could not demostrate while a petition in court. Whether shikapwasha like it or not pipo will go ahead to mount a peaceful demostration on the CB.Im not PF but UPND supporter, therefore the demostration is ok and it should show Nyama Soya that he is not the president of Zambia but a president of Eastern and Western Province.
    VIVA HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH for 2011

  52. #29 I like your articulation of this issue but to suggest that the police commanding officer in the CB gave these pipo permit without the consent of the higher echelon could be erroneous looking at the consequences such a demo could cause. And in the force that is not the way they work you always ask for authority from you superiors when something is beyond your jurisdiction.

  55. #48

    U r rt.Problem iz that PF was formed out of anger after SATA lost an election to the late LPM and to this day he hates elections thats y there r no elections this party.The party was not formed on any idealogy and pliz expect no order.

  56. unity should privel.Demostration not good.Waiting,why are you in a hurry?That is why you are even storming out from parliament without understanding judicial matters.

    PF, ful of nothing but embarssments,starting from their chief executive(SATA).

    beating pontential voters 2011.

  57. FATHER BWALYA IS A FULL PF CADRE EVEN IN 2006, HIS STATEMENTS WERE VERY BAD, IT TOOK DR. LWIPA PUMA TO REPREMAND HIM, FOR HIM TO CHANGE. HE IS MORE PF CADRE THAN THE POST. POLICE THESE FATHERS ARE NO GOOD, CAGE THEM, KICK THEM, SLAP THEM, DEAL WITH THEM. REMEMBER IN RWANDA THEY ARE THE ONE BEHIND GENOCIDE. CAGE HIM UNTIL HE ROTS, IF RIOTING BEGINS IN KITWE, THIS CHAP WILL BE AWAY ABUSING SISTERS, CHAGE THE CHAP. THERE IS ANATHER USELESS FATHER IN KAPITA, HE IS A DIE HARD PF CADRE WHO CAN EVEN CHASE CHRISTIANS WHO SUPPORT MMD, UPND AND HP.

  59. Long time ago on a number of issues I iused to try and understand PF’s rationale. But now I have come to know the truth. PF never have any rationale of things they do. Even what we think is confusion, I have come to see that for them it is a way of life. Right now, they will deny that there is any confusion, even some of their supporters here will deny that, and will say all is normal. This is because in PF confusion is normal. In PF if you are always causing confusion they will call you ‘Man of Action’. How sad!

  60. LATEST LASTET

    SPECTATOR HAS JST UNDRESSED ON THE STREET IN PROTEST OF RB’S SILENCE OVER CABINET AND HAS JST BN WHISKED AWAY TO POLICE STATION NO WONDER HEZ NOT BLOGGING TODAY

  61. The more PF made noise and shouted, the more they were able to convince themselves of victory. They even attempted to shout in cyber space with thier mispellings of Pabwato e.g Pabwatoooo excuse me for this. To compound the situation, THE POST newspaper added fuel to the flame of this euphoria by directly campaigning for SATA. However, Iam glad to notice that as time goes by some level normancy is returning.

  62. THOSE OF YOU WHO CAN REMEMBER ME, I TOLD YOU SEVERAL TIMES THAT IT WAS THE WORSED MISTAKE THE PEOPLE OF ZAMBIA DID TO VOTE FOR AKULU MPHUNO!! NOW YOU ARE SEEING IT. MEALIE MEAL PRICES SKY ROCKETING, PRIEST BEING ARRESTED FOR NOTHING.

    THE PEOPLE IN RURAL AREAS WILL DIE OF HUNGER TO AKULU MPHUNO WONT BE THERE TO DO ANYTHING. WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO TAKE FOR PEOPLES’ EYES TO BE OPENED.

    I KNOW PEOPLE SAY SATA IS A DICTATOR AND HH IS UNDERQUALIFIED, BUT THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE GIVEN A BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT MMD HAS FAILED THE PEOPLE OF ZAMBIA.

    PEOPLE DON’T THINK WITH YOUR BALLS BUT YOUR BRAINS. AM SADDENED WHEN I THINK OF THE POOR PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR MMD COZ NOTHING WILL

  63. Pf has not yet petitined the results, what we want is a recount and after that thus when we are going to petition.the problem with upnd is that they are fighting pf as if pf is a ruling party, pliz fight mmd the ruling party and not pf. PF is not fighting upnd but mmd so upnd should do like wise. Inonge will be our next VEEP. shikapwasha is confused just like my good friends Maestro,Sarah and V.concept

  64. #34 anonymus i agree with you.
    PF is regional than UPND. I saw the map too and thats the thing that strikes you. The other thing though was that it looked like in terms of region coverage MMD had more geographical cover than UPND and PF combined

  65. #13 na #33 muli masaka thats why mulechulila,tamwakula bwino,whats wrong with having a demonstration to express your displeasure?mulekwata amano muli bakulu

    you soon will realise what the whole country is crying about just give it time

  66. #34

    i agree with you 100%, i saw the PULL-OUT and i went further to verify its accuracy. i also regret my Vote. indeed the rural people served us from an ignorant, regional leader with no understanding of the Law. In Kapiri he told people that whoever wins elections should rule for 5yrs, then Guy scott yerstday and now demonstrating while the case is in court. These are the consequencies of having a grade 4 dropout as leader. PF continue pulling crowds in your strong holds and get deceived Zambians have now known what type of people you are despite image building by the Post.

  67. PF reminds me of all confusions that tend to occur on most Zambian funerals. At the most inconvenient time, confusion reigns. That is PF.

  68. Mu MMD mwaba fye aba MYONA (NOSE, MPUNO) ishikulu look at RB, SHIKAPWASHA, MPOMBO etc. Thats why we are suffering a lot.

  69. Doesnt Shikapwasha know that every one has a right of expression . the demonstration as clearly stated is going to be a peaceful one so why talk about pipo causing anarchy. does shikapwasha want to insight pipo to cause anarchy. i think our leaders should be careful with the warnings that they make on citizens . this is exactly wat happened just before the elections . shikapwasha and his collegues were busy threatening the nation when they know that by nature zambians are a peaceful pipo.

  70. Bembamen take it easy!!! Zambia is not Bemba Kingdom, mind you.You are busy pointing at Tongamen but you are the same.take it easy.

  71. ok…protesting yes. Now what is being petitioned thru the prptest???? It would be better to demand fresh elections than demanding a recount of already fraudulent votes that are in MMD’s custody, govt you call it. Why do you think Shikapwasha is saying PF will end up losing more votes?????

    Clean new election with no paid contestants like HH and Miyanda is the answer!!!!!

  72. Father Bwalya like father MiHA Father Umberto and Bishop Milingo are radicals. They need to be caged as early as possible. They are inciting people. If you critacaly look at the results of the voters against the registered voters and the number of constituencies won by RB compared to Sata you will discovere that RB won Genuinly and across a wide section of the country. Sata fared well only in the bemba speaking areas of Zambia.

  73. ALL NONSENSE BY MMD…… NO NID TO STOP ANYONE….IT IS THEIR RIGHT ENSHRINED IN THE CONSTITUTION……LET THE PIPO TALK AND NOT THE GVT….. they even hv the gats of arresting priests… are we in Zambia or Zim???? shame on you please let the pipo expreess there feelings… it is a free world what is wrong with u pipo?

  75. # 63
    UPND is not ideally opposing PF but the ideals they stand for. when you do the right thing wewil aplaud you but most of us no that MMD at this point would do better than the PF… in terms of policies, governance , practice of democracy… The only thing you do well is mobilise pipo better for SATA to say sweet nothings. Promises he doesnt even explain how he’ll deliver then…. Thats our stance to oppose what cant be trusted

  77. It is about time we realised that once elections are over who ever wins becomes a president of the country and we must all cease politicking and support him. People like father Bwalya and Membe from the post seem to have their own agendas and want to perpetuate tension in the nation.

  78. #54 – Show me where PF used their brains and reasonably articulated issues.
    The only way PF gets support is by doing exactly what you have done, insult me. No thinking, no analysis, just rebelousness and chaotic behaviour.

    Ati ba guy!

    The only blogger that tries to defend resonably is Spectator and 1 or 2 others.

  79. The only worry is that they tend to exhibit Kaponya tendencies of unrullenss which might disturb the peace. I doubt very much if this will be an entirly peacifull demonstration….They have a right to demnostrate if they so wish!!! thats one way to rant and pant as usual but its to late, There is alraedy someone at state house…

  80. To be honest, Zambia has no president at the moment. I Keep saying where is RB. Why being zeeee when things affecting people like mealie meal prices are skyrocketing. I hope this saturday PF wakes him up to take up the presidency, why is he behaving as if he is not sure if he won. Come on RB, show us some leadership please. Sata will be taking to the nation this Saturday while RB is still asleep. What a president.

    He has canceled all his trips, the only public thing he did was lay wreaths on Sunday. Is RB okay? Maybe VJ, KK and FTJ want the VP post and RB is confused and incapacitated on who to pick.

  81. Let them demonstrate. It is hteir constitutional right and this Shika… has no right to threaten anyone. Wheather the petition is already in court or not, the people have the right to demonstrate peacifully with police notification well sought.

    After all, the petion has not yet been taken to court. PF are still waiting for the ECZ to finish its verification process, that is when they (PF) will seek for the courts to carry out a recount in selected constituencies.

    The “demo” is for those CB PF pipo to express their displeasure of having RBB as Presido(“illegitimately”). Its not a petition, mwamvela?

  82. 52. SON OF MY FATHER,
    I like your rationale over the expectation that CB officer must consult IG. But I dont want to assume that your reasoning was following by the CB commander much as it is the ideal thing to do. I will tell you one thing; Mateyo has said time and again that he will not involve himself in matters of permit. He has always told the nation that he has decentralised the issuing of police permits. Now, it takes a commander with a sense of logic and analysis to differentiate cases at hand, to know which case is ordinary and which is not. That is why I used the term ‘Calibre’. Because much as they have been give authority to give permits, there are unique sensitive issues.

  83. When chaos breaks out in Kitwe it will be the ordinary people who will get injured and lose propert, why Father Bwalya will be comfortably holed up in some convent being attended to by some nubile nun. When violence and injuries visit they do not descriminate between Pf SUPPORTERS AND NON SUPPORTERS. Mind you injuries and incaceration are personal to holder they arenever shared.

  84. GUYZ CAN SOMEONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION FOR ME, ARE THINGS GONA CHANGE IN ZAMBIA? GUYZ PLEASE I BEG YOU, YOU PEOPLE ARE HAVING THREE MEALS A DAY, THINK OF THE GUYS THAT STRUGGLE TO BUY PAMELAS, WHAT THEY GO THROUGH. MY HEART IS BLEEDING SO BAD COZ I KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO HAVE JUST ONE MEAL A DAY AND SOMETIMES NOTHING. LET US NOT LOOK AT PEOPLES’ EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUNDS BUT WHAT THEY CAN DO TO BETTER THE LIVES OF THE PEOPLE.

  85. Let the people excercise their constitutional rights Gen. Shikapwasha! You can’t manage to stop them. The numbers we are looking at are more than your entire police force, so confrontation is not the answer. Nithing wrong with that.

    On the other hand, PF hooligans should behave themselves when they demonstrate this weekend. PF has the bunch the most unruly chaps around. If you loose an election, concede.

    RBB is the president of Zambia and we have to accept that. I never put my vote on him and can never but the fact still remains…he rules this Republic!!

  86. Let the people excercise their constitutional rights Gen. Shikapwasha! You can’t manage to stop them. The numbers we are looking at are more than your entire police force, so confrontation is not the answer. Nothing wrong with that.

    On the other hand, PF hooligans should behave themselves when they demonstrate this weekend. PF has the bunch the most unruly chaps around. If you loose an election, concede.

    RBB is the president of Zambia and we have to accept that. I never put my vote on him and can never but the fact still remains…he rules this Republic!!

  87. The Director for radio Ichengelo in kitwe fr. Frank Bwalya was arrested yesterday for airing a certain program on radio. is it the way it shall be in this country? People are not allowed to express their freedom of speech.

  88. Fellow Zambians lets wake up before it is too late. It does not make sense to me,the same people(from rural areas) who vote(???) for MMD are the ones suffering now. They have no food,roads etc.What makes them vote for the party which does not provide them with the basic needs? Are they really voting for MMD?
    The point is,our Elections are flawed.What gaurantee do we have that the 2011 Elections will be free and fair? I see a situation were it will be very difficult for any party to win an Election(Presidential) in Zambia.Sata may not be the best candidate but we should ask ourselves in all honest how he lost the previous elections.What are we going to if they do the same to HH in 2011?

  89. # 66
    Thats the trouble and dilema we are in. 33 percent of Zambia is completely iliterate whilest another 30% have little understanding of what the critical things are when choosing a leader.

    We need to learn a lot from the PF. They are street wise and understand the average Zambian.

  90. #84. My brother things will never change pa Zed. Just work hard to leave the country like us. If you expect RB or Shikapwasha or mulongoti to make life easy for you then u are mistaken. They are there for themselve. So kusalafye amano kwapwa.

  91. GUYS DO YOU KNOW THAT BEING PEACEFUL IS NOT A WEAKNESS? DON’T TAKE THE PEOPLE FOR GRUNTED PLEASE. I DON’T SUPPORT DEMONSTRATIONS BUT IF AND MARK MY WORDS, IF ITS THE ONLY WAY THAT WILL WORK TO GET MMD ON THEIR FEET TO START BETTERING THE LIVES OF THOSE VILLAGERS WHO VOTED FOR THEM THEN LET IT BE SO!! I CAN ACTUALLY THROUGH A STONE A POLICE OFFICER FOR A NOBLE CAUSE BELIEVE ME.

    GOD BLESS ZAMBIA

  92. #64
    you are correct, infact MMD is a national party and not these two. MMD is the only party that can go to a convention , change leaders and still remain united. its the only party that has had leaders from different regions of Zambia. I wonder what blinds people to this truth i regret my Vote in last years election and i wish i could withdraw it. confusion in PF is not new, the majority of MPs stand expelled, the leader is uneducated or rather has a humble education, the crowds only are only there for entertainment,Sata called LPM a cabbage Whom we now attribute this economy to. he emraced FJT in 2006 and now he is insulting him. he surpoted the third term.

  94. #88
    Rural people vote on Default. they always vote for the incubent. those are the ones they know. the rest are strangers who are treated with apathy… Opoosition candidates need to visit rural areas more often. All the areas SATA visited : Mongu, Senanga, kalabo, chipata, petauke all gave him a good second place. You notice the same trend with HH..

  97. Lt. Gen Shikapwasha I am not a PF fan but I have one question. How will PF end up losing more votes? I quote your words “if the court rules that a recount be done, they will end up losing more votes,”

    Be careful you will confess to rigging even before the case comes to court. Don’t underestimate the power of the tongue.

  99. shikapwasha, why do you want to undermine the authoirty of the police service… dont think the police are naive to grant pf a permit to demonstrate. its becoz they know its provided for within the constitution and they also know they will put in place all necessary sageguards to ensure the demo is peaceful as the name suggests – (peaceful demo)..just back off and let the citizens exercise their constitutional right…demos should not only be allowed when its in MMD’s favour..this time, its the pf and no one, not even you shikapwasha will stop them..just brace yourself for more of these coz other provinces will soon follow suit until the whole country is covered…

  100. 86. It Is Time!,
    The right to protest can only be exercised if you requests or demands are denied. You dont demand something and while you being given what you have asked, you start protesting for the same thing. What type of logic is that? Such reasoning is only found in PF. I personally would not call it reasing but confusion. could any one tell me how you manage to call such ‘reasoning’?
    This is why I believe PF will not manage to rule Zambia, because what you see PF do now is what you would begin to see them do if ever they came into power – widespread confusion. Thank God for the rural community, otherwise by now confusion would have been made universal.

  102. It’s a peaceful Demo,so let them go ahead,if anything,Look at the way pipo used to demonstrate on the war in Iraq when President Bush visited there countries,the UK for instance…demo’s have oweyz bin there,Shikapwasha can never overide on our constitutional right,period..If HH or Sata were in Power 2day,and we are not happy with the ways they are governing us,we have a constitutional right to take 2 the streets and demonstrate peacefully,tht way who ever is the President will not Dose off like we are seeing,Bwezani Banda can’t even Bweza the Price of Mealie Meal down,NDANI AZAPIKA NSHIMA LELO,ni libe naunga opikila..Shame on them

  105. #90, Ubuntungwa boyi waba kwisa kansi, limbi kuti wampelako idea yakufuma mu ZED. I have equally seen that things will never change pa Zed. I am ready even today, I kept something during election when it was thought that maybe there could be violence. I wanted to use it for transport to somewhere I do not wheere.

  106. ITS A SHAME REALLY!! THINGS AS LONG AS PEOPLE REMAIN THINKING LIKE THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE.

    GUYS DON’T DWELL ON EDUCATION, GOD ALSO USED PEOPLE WHO WERE UNEDUCATED BUT UNDERSTOOD HIS WILL. DO YOU NEED TO HAVE A MASTERS DEGREE FOR YOU TO SEE THAT ZAMBIA IS HEADED FOR RUINS DO YOU? WE AS MUCH AS ZAMBIA NEEDS AN EDUCATED MAN, IT NEEDS A GOD FEARING PERSON WHO WILL UNDERSTAND GOD’S PLAN AND PURPOSE FOR ZAMBIA. WE NEED TO HEED TO GOD’S WILL FOR ZAMBIA NOT WHAT MMD,UPND OR PF WANTS. THE PROBLEM IS MOST PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT ARE HEATHENS AND I DON’T REGRET SAYING THAT. GOD BLESS ZAMBIA

  108. The leaders in these political parties are a representation of the people in Zambia.

    The majority dont mind too many things …. if mazoka is the most well positioned they’ll vote for him, if its SATA this time , they go for him…. its rarely about issues. They are stil very few zambians who will vote based on issues… its about association … who do i relate to the most.
    One interesting thing about town people is that over 50% of them are maids, marketeers, guards, kaponyas, bus drivers, conductors, shopworkers, sweepers cleaners. let your message be simple

  109. Ya ba nachelya again, how is my people and fellow bloggers?! a brighter day indeed and we are ready to face a lot of good things this day has promised…Ba Shikapwasha let the people demonstrate besides it is a Peaceful demo and who told you that the matter was in court?!not yet yama!!!

    PABWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO>>>>>

  110. Nyama Soya, Thick Face~~~ No vision. look at Obama, He is making a difference just days after being confirmed winner. RB time to wake up and face the people, tell us what your plans are coz thats the only way to stop tension, otherwise anarchy is emminent.

  112. Ciwamila mbuzi kuluma galu! The demo at freedom statue by MMD cadres? Where were you, bwana? The police were NOT EVEN THERE! The cadre who brandished a pistol at Chishimba’s press conference? Where were you? Now you want to pretend to be working? Ha? When are you going to be delivered from partisan politics? Zambians are Zambians!

  113. The minister should aticulate himself with current goings in the country. This is embarassing.

    The protests are not on RB but on how ECZ conducted elections and to call fo sresignation of ECZ director. The call cames due to the irregularities and inconsitencies in the conduct of the last three elections since the incumbent diector took office.

  114. #103, Real Data,

    They knew SATA. He has served in all the past governments untill 2001. He has lost 3 times so far. Every rural voter knows SATA. They know why they can not make him president.

  115. Shikapwasha is total correct because RIGHTS do not replace reasoning. You cannot ask for nshima and as they are cooking the nshima for you, you start protesting. And you say it is my ‘right’ to protest; that is very wrong. You have the right to do the right thing. You are not to use your right to do the wrong thing.

  116. Real data..
    when MMD campained they had big names on their side,
    BY,Pule, Nevers, tetamashimba, so that gave credibility to RB and of course he was with the MMD…

  117. They can demonstrate as much as they want…BOMA ni BOMA. I agree with the Hon.Minister,the old man was beaten clean.
    The Post can also write as much as they want,its their ink afterall…we know them very well. NO MORALES.
    #88…sata lost and will always lose coz he is not as popular as pipo like you and the post think he is.
    A popular leader has to command above average votes in all corners of the country not just cb(full of kaponyas) lsk(full of kaponyas)
    Zambia is for everyone not just one tribe! Continue with your useless demos and false alarms…Let BOMA get down to what is important ,RUNING THE COUNTRY.
    Viva Boma

  118. GUYZ DO YOU KNOW WERE RB, SATA AND HH ARE RIGHT NOW?
    RB: SLEEPING
    SATA: CIVIC CENTRE
    HH: MAKING MONEY

    WHO WOULD YOU RATHER VOTE FOR?

  120. shikapwasha should let people demonstrate freely because it there right whether it makes sense or not and please may a learned colleague kindly borrow him a dictionary so that he gets the correct meaning of the word ‘anarchy’,coz to him a peacefull demonsration means anarchy.what a minister!also remind him that barack obama would not be the first the black president of united states had it not been for the peaceful demostrations that were carried out by martin luther king,therefore mr minister just concentrate on addressing the abnormal mealie-meal prices.we tired of your nonsense.

  123. Thanks No.100 – Fine.

    I hear you, but the constitution still reins supreme. They still have the right to peacefully demonstrate. I may not agree with that but I can not stop them either. Yes, they are a very unruly lot,yet the republican constitution is on their side on this one. The fact that I do not agree with them should not be reason enough for me to stop them, if I had the power to do so.

    But, hey these guys lack any reasoning whatsover, they may soon be demonstrating the fact that they have been allowed to demonstrate!! And that chap Membe at some local paper will be their lead cader!

  125. Today all women are shaving their pubic hair in support of the first black first lady Mrs Michelle OBAMA meaning no more BUSH. So pliz SARAH, Baby C, Beautyiful and the rest take note

  126. #111

    In terms of size
    the biggest is CB, Lusaka, Southern, Eastern, Northern, cetral in that order…

    I’d say most of Zambia is rural, the biggest figures are in the town centers but most provinces still have most parts rural. take Lsk forinsatance, Sata won the urban vote but Chongwe and other surrounding areas went to MMD, on the CB areas like Mpongwe, Masaiti went to the MMD

  127. Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in DR Congo, nor in Kenya, nor in Zambia, nor in Zimbabwe. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country…
    VIVA DEMO!!!

  129. #124.osama bin zed.

    Welcome my brother, I hope you won’t disappear on me again! how are things and the report going and coming through?!

  130. where is RB????????? We cant afford the maize meal plz!!!!! Twapenga ….. I feel as if we dont have a president right now.. He has just gone zeee… We cant go on with this type of inflation its too much.. Lucky are you who are writing from abroad, at least you can get a big mack to go…Ala twachula…

  134. GUYS U SHOULD BE MATURE AND GOD FEARING DON’T INSULT PLSE JUST ADVISE YOUR COLLEAGUES . YOU HAVE NEVER CREATED A HUMAN BEING. ONLY THE ALMIGHTY

  135. We are not afraid to entrust the Zambian people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people… Ba shikapwasha whats with the fear, always resorting to threats…FYI we are not afraid of your threats!!!!

    PAPWAAATOOOO FOR SHO!!!

  136. Is the demonstration showing that these people are interested in making money in politics or it is just a passion to lead this nation.Because someone is on record having said if the results are not in their favour they will not accept them

  137. Me again! # 108, either you have never been to Zambia, or you left Zambia a long time ago, or you DON’T KNOW ANYTHING USEFUL ABOUT ZAMBIA. As a registered voter, I don’t fall in any of the categories you listed, and we are many. You are talking about the late Mazoka??? This year’s election there was NO MAZOKA! This year’s elections were about issues, bread and butter issues, and they were VERY PEACEFUL. Also, Zambians of all walks of life are VERY enlightened. Go to the rural areas, and you’ll be shocked that they know more than you!! The voters are NOT the issue, it is the credibility and integrity of the electoral system. VIVA ZAMBIA!

  138. #131 my bad. Thanks for the correction. Pule was with SATA at the oodlands stadium yes!!! slip of the fingures ala!! But you get the point dont you !

  139. RUPIAH DISAPPOINTS MONGU RESIDENTS.
    Some Mongu residents on Tuesday expressed disappointment over President Rupia Banda’s cancellation of his visit to Westeren Province on Monday. Mark Sitwala said people in Western Province expected more from President Banda. Siwala said lat President Levy tried his best to build schools in the remotest areas of the province. He said the developments intiated by the late should not end in smoke. But he (President Banda) is now worrying us with his cancellation of visits He needs to be fullfilling his promises because we voted for him and we expect him to deliver.

    Source: Post

  140. #108
    DON’T SAY URBAN AREAS ARE BLABLABLA!!! THIS IS WERE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ISSUES. GUYZ DOESN’T ANYONE WONDER WHY NIBA KUMUNZI BEKA BAMA VOTELA MMD? ASK YOURSELVES THAT QUESTION. WHEN YOU FIND AN ANSWER LET ME KNOW

  141. Ba Shikapwasha learn that, The purpose of democracy — supplanting old belief in the necessary absoluteness of establish’d dynastic rulership, temporal, ecclesiastical, and scholastic, as furnishing the only security against chaos, crime, and ignorance — is, through many transmigrations, and amid endless ridicules, arguments, and ostensible failures, to illustrate, at all hazards, this doctrine or theory that man, properly train’d in sanest, highest freedom, may and must become a law, and series of laws, unto himself, surrounding and providing for, not only his own personal control, but all his relations to other individuals, and to the State;

  142. 141 contz…

    and that, while other theories, as in the past histories of nations, have proved wise enough, and indispensable perhaps for their conditions, this, as matters now stand in our civilized world, is the only scheme worth working from, as warranting results like those of Nature’s laws, reliable, when once establish’d, to carry on themselves.

  143. The elections were free and fair.Please,let us give credit were it is due.

    PF you shined in Lusaka,Luapula,Northern and some cobbertbelt areas.
    Mind you Zambia is divided into 9 Provinces.

    MMD has structues everywhere.
    PF organise your structures,starting from the grassroot.Please do not beat those who refuse to join you.

  145. Not surprised at all that the likes of PULE can join the bandwagon of PF cadres. A highly unrepentant PULE by aligning himself to SATA finally put the finishing nail to the sinking boat. Fire Fire Fire He He He as his hoarse voice (probably demon induced) ebbed away into the crocodile infested waters of loss.

  146. pipo like shikapwasha are selfish leaders who just think of themselves.what happens to the country matters less to them, let the people of Zambia express their feelings you wizard.

  148. People need to go behind desk and taught, duly the rules of this political game,moreover democratic procees is not determined by an individual party.Its a shame to see people who want to be at the helm show alot of ignorance.

  149. #137 am in Zambia right now if you should know. my laptop just keeps this flag regardless of area. and by the way i voted in the just ended election. thirdly read properly before you spit fire.

    I am zambian lived here most of my life worked for a company that enabled me to travel the country many times over. I have been to all parts of Zambia except Chipata. Lived along the line of rail in my upbringing i know the people in the towns. been on the buses before long enough to know what they all do. I am not speaking from without.

  150. Let Shikapwasha stop the peaceful demo and he shall see what proper anarchy is. Ronnie, you have been warned. No wonder you are ugly.

  152. PF must realise that in democracy they can easily lose.This is not the time for demonstrations.They must go to work.It is a sign of laziness by hoping to be in power just to plunder the national resources for free.They are the ones that are calling for Chiluba to be unconditionally pardoned so that they set a precedence for themselves.These kaponyas and kabbovas must go to work and forget about the lost elections.HP and UPND have gone back to work

  153. Once beaten twice shy.PF 2001,2006 and 2008 you are losers.
    2011 should be a litmus paper to test your popularity again.

    Word of caution and free of charge,with SATA at the helm of PF you are heading no where,he is thing to much by 2011,he will be very old as compared to his age.Mark my words.

  155. Once beaten twice shy.PF 2001,2006 and 2008 you are losers.
    2011 should be a litmus paper to test your popularity again.

    Word of caution and free of charge,with SATA at the helm of PF you are heading no where,he is thinking to much by 2011,he will be very old as compared to his age.Mark my words.

  156. Ba Shikapwasha learn that, The purpose of democracy — supplanting old belief in the necessary absoluteness of establish’d dynastic rulership, temporal, ecclesiastical, and scholastic, as furnishing the only security against chaos, crime, and ignorance — is, through many transmigrations, and amid endless ridicules, arguments, and ostensible failures, to illustrate, at all hazards, this doctrine or theory that man, properly train’d in sanest, highest freedom, may and must become a law, and series of laws, unto himself, surrounding and providing for, not only his own personal control, but all his relations to other individuals, and to the State;

  157. I wud like to see the villager complain of maize or shortage of food coz Nyama soya will it for them. Remember he promised farmers that if he wins, the FSP fertilizers per bag will go at K50,000. But as we speak now there is now fertilizer to sell at K50,000 and if it comes it will still be at higher price.Most likely fertilizer will be delevered around January which will very late. Yesterday I went to buy fertilizer at Minelands in Mumbwa Shop, it was selling at K290,000 per 50Kg basal dressing.shame on Nyama soya and the MDD and too bad for the sponsors the rural vote. VIVA Prpoer marketing strategies the UPND has and viva HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  158. #114 & 117 My point is not to allow MMD or any party to win Elections fraudulently because we dont like the other candidate.

    Mr/Mrs # 117 You seem to have issues with people from CB & Lsk. What did they do to you? To you anyone coming from that region is a Kaponya.

  159. 156 contz…

    and that, while other theories, as in the past histories of nations, have proved wise enough, and indispensable perhaps for their conditions, this, as matters now stand in our civilized world, is the only scheme worth working from, as warranting results like those of Nature’s laws, reliable, when once establish’d, to carry on themselves… VIVA PEACEFUL DEMO!!! No one is bringing or planning in anarch mudala, its all in your head!!!

  160. I wonder how many pipo attended the protest because the photo LT has put was obtained during campaigns and not the protest.
    Very few illetrate and dull chaps like SATA would want to put up a demo. I mean for what?

  161. Look at Sata’s friends then you know how highly confusious he is: DANNY PULE, WILLY NSANDA, KABOKE, CHULA to name but a few. These guys here mentioned could have easily auditioned and landed a part in any most failed hollyhood comedy.

  162. Fi upnd ni va manta they start talking after others have taken a lead in doing so. RB was sworn in as presdo in less than 24 hours, this means they were ready for everything, now why is it taking him so long appoint his vice. We dont want anymore acting appointments. We know that he is not good books with ministers like magande, so let him not keep the nation in suspense. For your infor. there were two Ministers of Agriculture in Parliament Hon Kapita in his wheelchair and Sayifwanda, why should we have two ministers in one ministry. things are not alright.

  163. “Lekeni SATA atushe”,let SATA rest.The popular song during the campaign 2008,”Lekeni SATA ateke”

    It has now turn a twist,it is “LEKENI SATA ATUSHA”Let sata rest.Medical advice.

  164. Zambians lets joined our hands together and fight for change. lf americans have changed from white to black, why Zambians? Lets wake up from sleep like Rooten Bwanzani Banda. Pa bwatoooooooooooooo for life. NB. SHIKAPWASHA icindike let pipo exercise there rights.

  166. # 140
    I dont mean to insult anyone or anything like that. just calling a spade a spade. Go to Cairo road, our CBD: tell me what kind of people u’ll find there. Most we’ll believe that devt can take place in 90 days . Most we’ll believe SATA when he says the exchange rate and GDP are nosence if you have little importance…. thats what am talking about

  169. LT BBC reported this morning that a Roman Catholic Priest has been detained by ZP in Kitwe after being picked up at Radio Chengelo. Shed more light

  173. #158, Real Data,

    My point is that the villagers have rejected SATA 3 times. As to whether he (SATA) has always lost the elections fraudulently, we have no evidence. If you have, please do not sit on it. Rigging is an evil which must not be allowed to flourish.

  174. According to the law in Zambia, Shikapwasha is wrong. The police no-longer grant permits, they just need to be informed 7 days before the demonstration. However, there are circumstances in which the police can on reasonable grounds advise against the demonstration provided they communicate with the would-be demonstrators at least three days before the demo and the police give an alternative date. It was decided in the Mulundika case that the freedom of assembly association and speech cannot be left to the whims and caprices of police, hence, no pemission is required. I think it is incumbent upon the organisers to use their make sure that their demonstration doesn’t breach the peace.

  175. iwe #160, you asking as to how many pipo attended the protest i think you are dull, the demo will be on saturday read b4 showing your ignorance.

  177. 169.Seen it Before

    Yes Father Frank Bwalya of Radio Ichengelo in Kitwe was arrested yesterday after conducting a live post- election program. they picked him up just after his program finished and was taken to Kitwe police station and was later moved to a different police station…Possibly Kalulushi!

  178. I badly need SATA in the opposition for checks and balances,though at times,he talks without prove.Basing on hear say.

    Bwana sata,learn to have facts,before you can make pronnoucements.

    Viva, viva Sata in the Opposition and until death parts us together.

  179. # 169, Up to now you dont know that LT is not a news agency but a website belonging to PF. That cant report on thier own, but just get issues from ZNBC, MV or the Post newspaper for pipo to debate. Only issues thst are meant to favour SATA and PF are raised.

  180. 176. AK

    They Do not and i have labored to make them and others understand what it means in my previous postings, refer to # 141 and 142….

  181. Police are professionals & are just exercising professionalism. It is a Zambian’s right of expression. The Police to have granted that permit, they are ready to deal with protesters.Let them do their job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  186. #162, Nalishebo,

    RB was sworn in as president of the republic of Zambia in less than 24 hours because that what our constitution says. It should be immediately or in less than 24 hours after being declared winner. As to the announcement of his cabinet, he will do it at his own time. Only time will tell if the perceived delay was for a good cause or not.

  188. #108
    WALASA 100%. Those are people who voted for PF. Sata convinced them that after inauguration loadshedding will go with Sisala because 700 Megger Watts of power will be found the same day.They believed they will have more money in there pockets, no tax, no school fees, Cheap fuel, Taxi and Bus drivers will have pensions. Govnt will take over Mines and pay them more skilled or unskilled as long as they are zambians with NRCs. that his term will end in 2013 while that of MPs will end in 2011

  189. How can someone chant “VIVA SATA” to day? Elections are long gone and done with. Try that slogan in 2011. As for now lets talk about development and not spilt milk. Lets strategise on how to beat MMD in 2011. Lets all unite and support HH this time. SATA’s time is long gone.

  190. Sata is very agile and very positive minded in all situations. A noise or two from various locations is enough to make him leap about relentlessly. The branches of the party are masterily used like they were grown for that purpose. Now you see, now you dont. A shrieking and deafening noise. Repeated sounds like ululations fill the area. The Patroic appears. Only to be followed by cries and hisses about.

    The moment there is opportunity for wild branching and climbing of the national tree, that is the moment of great jubilation. Banana boats are a favourite choice in the Bwato camp. Leap on and enjoyee

  191. BA Ericsson 187 mudala ati shani, the narrow minded people on this blog especially those from MMD are forgetting that for us in PF, Hope is both the earliest and the most indispensable virtue inherent in the state of being alive. If life is to be sustained hope must remain, even where confidence is wounded and trust impaired…

    PABWAAAAAATOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO>>>>>>>NAFUTI!

  192. Thinking aloud,
    if PF won i think they’d rig more than MMD to stay in Power and even the demostration in Kitwe would be a thing of the past.. Imagine Msanda as Home affairs secretary or Edward Mumbi….

    Anso muletasha Lesa ba PF coz you would be the first to regret.

  194. Yessss!! let them protest.The noise will definitely wake up our sleeping Presido, who is still in a fantasy world celebrating his victory? my foot! Victory indeed

  195. Stop threatening and arresting innocent citizens,the peaceful demo is going ahead why are you afraid?There are a lot of issues that needs the attention of gorvernment such as job loses as a result of terminating contracts for big companies by the mines that have employed our people due to falling copper prices,no jobs means no marriedges for the young ones which results in high prostitution levels which evetually brings HIV/AIDS and later death,mealie-meal prices and many others than arresting and threatening people.Viva Sata Viva PF Pabwatooooooooooooooooooooooo!

  198. Thinking aloud.
    if it was PF, Parliament would have waited for New President to announce new cabinet before meeting. Nominated MP’s would have been told to wait outside if by some chance they met and the next election would have been in 2011…

    And one last one… those protesters in Kitwe would be pangared like their collegues in Lusaka ‘s Chawama

    Imagine for a second 🙂

  199. Thinking aloud edited

    if it was PF, Parliament would have waited for New President to announce new cabinet before meeting. Nominated MP’s would have been told to wait outside if by some chance they met and the next election would have been in 2013…

    And one last one… those protesters in Kitwe would be pangared like their collegues in Lusaka ’s Chawama

    Imagine for a second 🙂

  203. A journalist was asking Sata why he was resorting to demonstrations on the CB after losing an election.
    “Mwaiche” replied Sata “I will not be able to make ends meet now”
    “Why fail to make ends meet, Sir”
    Sata replied, “Because when I move one end to meet the other, MMD removes this other end to unknown places.Only CB people know where it is.After the demo they will show me where it is”
    Is he sure?

  204. 123. It Is Time!
    Let us not it like the onstitution is a non-logical document. Constitutional right? What right are we talking about? If the constitution had no logic there was going to be no need to have lawyers and judges to interpret it. What you see as ‘their right’ in the constitution may be viewed differntly by most including other lawyers and most judges. The very fact that the constitution has logic creates differences in the way lawyers and judges percieve cases. You dont see a line in the constitution and claim it is your right to do what you want to do without looking at the premises of your argument. In what cirmcumstance are you claiming you righ? Is it applicable?

  205. 123. It Is Time!
    Let us not put it like the onstitution is a non-logical document. Constitutional right? What right are we talking about? If the constitution had no logic there would be no need to have lawyers and judges to interpret it. What you see as ‘their right’ in may be viewed differntly by may including most lawyers and most judges. The very fact that the constitution has logic creates differences in the way lawyers and judges percieve cases. You dont see a line in the constitution and claim it is your right to do what you want to do without looking at the premises of your argument. In what cirmcumstance are you claiming your right? Is it applicable?

  206. The Patrioc appeared on the scene, blue and white plasticed containers litter the arena. He opens his mouth, unpallatables spill out to the amazement of the crowd. The tide is coming. To the higher branches we must climb. The master sailor appeared to be standing though his normal posture is suited for the climb. A boat, someone said, in an elated tone. ‘Yes’ another replied. We will ride till the tide comes down. We will have loads and loads of cash in our pockets. ‘All the animals on the boat we shall have for our meals’, another said.

  207. #201
    How are you.We all need a little imagination and creativity to get us by. if you dont have those then you are a zombie lol!

  209. Their desparation to stay in power is now directing them to people who are telling the truth. They will use all form of intimidation. They are even trying to cook up a charge for him, SHAME SATAN’s instruments.

    Father, God is not too blind to see, He is not too deaf to hear
    OR is He too weak to save.

    The truth will always save you.

  210. Other than Guy scot and lubinda who else is not Bemba in PF? can someone help. i want an analysis of all political parties in Zambia based on composition and democratic principles.

  211. It is an amazing thing to watch the Patroic run on all fours. His run ultimately ends up on a branch somewhere yonder. The clan can not but follow suit. Agillity is a birth reward for the clan.

  212. Lets leave the issue of interpreting the contituition to the rite people, Shikapwasha defenetly is not the rite person. PF is saying the matter is not yet in court, then I think Ronny is mis informed/

  214. Atell

    Just come to think of it, only a few people were on the ark. The rest, animals. So to use this allegory, PF bwato is mostly occupied by a bunch of monkeys with a few leaders? Is that what you are saying?

  215. ADVICE TO UPND, I THINK ITS VERY CLEAR THAT PIPO HAVE REJECTED HH AND IF YOU WANT TO HELP YOUR PARTY PLEASE TRY A DIFFERENT PERSON.

    PEOPLE HAVE TRIED TO DEFEND THE MAN BUT NOTHING SEEM TO HELP CANT YOU SEE?

    FRANKLY SPEAKING HH IS NOT POLITICIAN AND IT MAY NOT BE EASY FOR HIM TO WIN ELECTIONS. HONESTLY HE DOESNT HAVE THE NATURE OF A POLITICIAN.

    AM JUST A VOTER AND NOT A CADRE BUT THIS IS MY OBSERVATION.

  216. Latest

    Buses and taxis are driven out of Kitwe town center with too much honking and lights on.Stay connected for more details.

  218. “PF was beaten clean and squarely and if the court rules that a recount be done, they will end up losing more votes,” General Shikapwasha said.”

    This statement make me to wonder on the second part why should the results differ after the recount and why should it be in favour of MMD if the recount is done.The results could be said that where genuine if the results are to be found equaul to the first count.

    “PF secretary general Edward Mumbi said the party had not yet taken the matter to court and its members who wanted to protest peacefully should not be barred.”

    Shikapwasha thinks its in court, he is speaking from without, no evidence.Its not yet in court therefore pf can protest.

  219. Shikapwasha or who ever you are,this is not the army where you expect boot lickers.do exercise your military antics.you are a politician and Home affairs minister not for Kembe alone but zambia.If CB Wants a demo let them have it thats how they express their dislike for you riggers.Remember one day you will be agreaved as well and will want to demonstrate.Leave you Ape faced!

  220. 174. The Rhodesian,
    You seem not to have facts about the constitution.
    For a gathering, or rally or assembly (depending of the reasons of assembmly) you do not need a permit. But for a protest, a demonstration etc will always need permit.
    I have noticed here that some people want to talk even when they dont have facts.

  221. @ 210 THAT IS WITCH HUNTING.
    INSTEAD DO A PAMPHLET TO EDUCATE THE POLITICAL PARTIES ON THE ILLS OF ASSOCIATION AS COMPARED TO ISSUES, BETTER STILL A DOCUMENTARY. YOU COULD EVEN WIN AN AWARD FOR DOCUMENTARY OF THE YEAR!!……LOL

  223. when you people talk about the map concerning regional voting,CAN YOU CHECK CLEARLY IF ALL CONSTITUNCIES HAVE BEEN CAPUTURED.EG LOOK FOR LUSAKA PROVINCE WHICH IS PF . HOOO NOT ON THE MAP. SHAME TO ALL IF THE THINK WE WILL BELIEVE THEM

  224. 212. Bwezani Mavote,
    If you think that the job of interpreting the constitution should left to the ‘rite pipo’, what are you using to judge that PF has the right to protest? What are you using to tell that Shikapwasha is wrong or misinformed on the matter?
    I will tell you one thing; I love to follow logic in whatever I say or someone else says.

  225. When confronted with the suddenly omnipresent theme of “change” in present-day Zambian politics, skeptics will likely scoff and say, “Change? So what else is new?” And well they might, for in fact nothing is more familiar and (dare one say) more unchanging than the high status accorded to change in Zambian life…well we need change and we shall continuously pursue it till we get it….

    SHika something!!!shut up!!!

    CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE< PABWATOOO!!!!

  226. #221 good advice
    but i need input from you guys. i have done an assesment of MMD, the composition from inception, how the composition has changed overtime, who rules MMD and who really rules, how many times they have changed leaders, How many tribes have ruled MMD and there adhearance to democratic principles.whisc regions are there strong holds and what are the dominant languages in those regions. I want to do the same for PF and UPND so please your inputs are welcome.

  227. Some pipo think that Sata will rule this country.No God has refused it is only the catholic church which thinks Sata can rule this contry.Sata has a very bad language not fiting to be a president of a country.Sata has just taken advantage of the many unemployed youth in the country hoping that he will employee all them.Sata will never improve the economy of this country in fact he will destroy the little that has been gained.He is worse that Kaunda because under kaunda the economy was a mixed one.Sata will nationalise all industries hoping to employee all those who are not working this will just be a temporary measure because the inflation will be high reaching 100%. Kwacha be K50000 perUSd

  228. #221 good advice
    but i need input from you guys. i have done an assesment of MMD, the composition from inception, how the composition has changed overtime, who rules MMD and who really rules, how many times they have changed leaders, How many tribes have ruled MMD and there adhearance to democratic principles.which regions are their strong holds and what are the dominant languages in those regions. I want to do the same for PF and UPND so please your inputs are welcome.

  230. Shops in Kitwe’s Second class trading area are closed as at now and all buses and taxis have been driven out of KMB and people are running in all directions,first class is calm at the moment.stay connected for more.#217 Spectator I will update you as soon as I get the news.

  231. Iwe 179 you think Iam dull? When we say LT assist we mean any blogger with the needed info. LT is not PF mouth piece. If you think so creat your own website.

  233. #223 Chocholi

    can you revise your social studies please. Sata won lusaka district and not Lusaka province and this is exacly what the Map shows. Lusaka province includes Luangwa, Chongwe, Lufunsa, Kafue and lsk west. are you sayng PF won these areas.

  234. A riot has broken out in Kitwe, they are protesting the arrest of Father Bwalya and the displeasure on the way the the elections were handled.

  235. @228
    Sounds like a project that has made so much progress, but right now the conrcen of most Zambians is to be presented with remedies to the existing ills in the current crop of politicians/political parties for the sake of moving forward on a positive note.

  236. I have just been informed by my cousin that people are stonning cars, in Kitwe, in protest of Father Bwalya of Radio Ichengelo. Any one in Kitwe town???

  238. Number 23..U jus a coward, i hope u read this. And all U saying RB won those Elections, Wakeup, Being Ignorant does not help. May be u not affected, so its betta u also keep quite or probably u have an uncle whose job security is oka as long as MMD stays in power. But U know what God is great and when he says NO..its NO..God help us all..

  241. #235

    you are correct but just looking at the ills is like treating symptoms instead of the cause.we must look at how we we are choosing our leaders in this country because these are the policy makers intrusted to solve the ills that might befall upon us,do we vote for individuals or teams to gorvern this country? this is only part of a solution as there are other factoprs such as litracy levels, work altitude and of course resources and there utilisation

  245. It is not safe to be in kitwe town center today as PF cadres are rioting. Pliz avoid the town center.

    VIVA YOUTHS VIVA PEACE !!!!!

  246. This is really good debate, although some of people’s comments never carry some sence. All they believe in is cadresh kind of thinking.

  248. @241
    Im with you…but for now Im off for a meeting.

    will join you later. Hey, just spoke to a Kitwe colleague and the streets are running riot, whats your view on that!

  252. Shikapwasha,this is not a dictatorship country.Allow us to demonstrate peacefully.What is happening to this country?we wil rise against this injustice.U have arrested Frank Bwalya,declaring war with the catholics.Useles government.

  253. Why have they arreasted the Priest? For speaking against injustices? and speaking for the voiceless? So democracy in our country means accepting anything without even questioning…

  254. And Father Bwalya has been detained in Kalulushi instead of Kitwe. We now have the vilantee type of government. UNIP is back and clean up of 1986 will start soon. Very sad, why arrest the Father??

  255. IMWE BA SHIKAPWASHA DONT U KNOW THAT PRESURE HAS BEEN BUILDING IN PEPO ?LET THE PEPO DEMONSTRATE,THEY WILL BE RELIEVED PEPO LETS KEEP THE DEMO PEACEFUL.

  256. Police made a very big mistake arresting Fr. Bwalya. 60% of Zambian are not happy with the election. So anything can be excuse for the riots. So Govt shld be very carefull.

  257. If leaders don’t want to listen to the people, the people will revolt. This is what they’re asking for, now let’s see who holds the handle.

  260. #248

    Not sure whats happening on kitwe but a colegue has informed me that he has instructed his workers in town to close and knock off after they informed him that people are planning to protest the arrest of Father Frank Bwalya who has been running an anti MMD program on radio Changelo since election results despite several warnings since 2006. apparently the catholic father was arrested yesterday and was sent to Kalulushi where he will be formally charged and later be sent to Kanfisa if his bail is not successful.

  262. I happy with the comments a lot of you wise people are making. Many of you have come to realise the snake SATA really is. After all he was MMD himself so people should not complain about what shikapwasha is doing.SATA is now reaping what he saw!!!!!

  263. Because of Govt behaviour, the demo are now taking place today, people have gathered in Agric show grounds. All shops are closed. all the buses have gone into township to pick people, so things a very bad. Shikapwasha, will wish the peacefull one on saturday could have taken place

  265. No one plays with a man of God and goes away with it. Zambia a Christian nation? We will pray ceaselessly until God answers our prayer. God is greater than the one who made the decision to arrest the Priest. May God deliver them.

  270. Kanshi what do the people of Africa want? Imwe shuwa you cant think that your country is already sourounded by conflicts and you also want to be part of that, shame on all advocating violence in that country. people cant riot if their leader tells them not to. in this case that damn Sata is giving them encouragement. Mind you he is a dying horse and will just leave the young genraration in turmoil. wake up, inflation is world over, unemployment is all over, BT is cutting jobs of 10,000, and most of these people are educated, nga mwe the majority are just kaponyas. I dont belong to any party, ccz cant stand such debates.

  271. Allow losers to express their feeling peacefully, then they will return home at the end of the rally peacefully. Don’t cage them, Shikapwasha.

  273. Dont blame all catholics for the behaviour of one PF cadre Frank Bwalya.This priest has hidden agendas,cage him so that he misleds pipo no more.I wonder why he cant concentrate on his job and enjoying offerings from poor pipo he claims he speaks on his behalf.Look at his history,as chairman of MISA,he resigned b’cause members voted to participate in NCC.In 2006 elections and 2008, the chap could not even sleep by announcing the election results.Typical of PF candre.LET HIM ROT IN KALULUSHI CELLS.

  274. Ya that should be a good signal to RB give people what they want, you cannot continue imposing selves on pipo that do not want u, be Like Mtabo Mbeki

  276. Kaponya tendencies (Kaponya’s) or not, people still have the right to vote for leaders of their choice and if they say they want the Kaponya to rule them, its simple really – LET THE KAPONYA RULE. After all, he might not be as sleepy as the people purpoting to have been democratically elected!

  278. Look at those rioting, they are mainly the have nots, who by rioting can have some chance of having blanket and ka sugar ie if the shops are open. People are in offices working and creating cash to be taxed off them to support the same people rioting. The problem with kaponya is that he is very shallow minded, only wants something that he sees as good to him, this goes with their leader who has grown up being a kaponya.One thing we should know is that people who are leaders are made leaders from young age. Sata was never even a monitor in class mu stardard 5 becoz of fyongo,that has grown in him, bamudala is known for ifimfulunganya. On a lighter note, let SATA start campaining now for 2011.

  279. “173. Biggie Jim

    Nov 13th, 2008 at 11:07 am Vote: 0 0
    #158, Real Data,

    My point is that the villagers have rejected SATA 3 times. As to whether he (SATA) has always lost the elections fraudulently, we have no evidence. If you have, please do not sit on it. Rigging is an evil which must not be allowed to flourish.”

    The MMD’s rule of law seems to stretch as far as caging political opponents.

    Since the MMD came to power, we have witnessed an exponential rise in politically motivated arrests (PMA).

    So, wake up Biggie Jim. The ECZ, as I and many others have argued on this fora, are a dirty institution with no values.

    As someone wrote recently, the ECZ is rotten to the core!

    Ceb

  280. Zambians, let us not pretend things are alright. Far from it, there is no way we can be sujected to modern slavery. Aweee. Please we need to wake up and have the guts to talk when there is something wrong. It does not matter which political party you support, poverty is poverty let us not pretend.

  282. For ECZ, bringing in Justice Florence Mumba was a futile exercise in public relations. They thought political monsters would devour Judge Mumba, but, luckily, the truth has vindicated her.

    What a beautiful woman they wanted to smear with nonsense. Shame

  284. #14 respect a human being coz before you become a lawyer,president,teacher,doctor….you are human.You are the same pipo who dont regard other pipo’s well being as long as your house is not inflicted all is well.
    You are confortable seeing the weak suffer and you njoy it,wat a human being you are????????
    I wonder if the least from your family tree have a say, you shut dem all as long as they are poor,un-educated….they have to bore before you coz you are a giant thru yo education, wat a shame…!!!!!

  285. Shikapwasa is family tree’s mwanawasa moreen initiative. He feels he still has control on the ground.RB should start realising now that Mwanawasa cabinet will make him fail if he delays to make changes.It’s too late dear! Let Police duties be left independent, you chap!

  288. stop pretending lets unite an refuse to be subjected to this poverty, high prices, load shed everyday, Hospital UTH no water. etc no guys stop being docile, enuff is enuff. KITWE WELL DONE.

  294. Riot police officers and security personel have been deployed in kitwe town and Fr Frank Bwalya has been released and he is live on radio.

  295. Leave Fr. Frank Bwalya alone, he is being frank for what ever transpired, this is a democratic country please mwe bantu imwe bakabwalala tulekeleni umupatili wesu ba Shetani!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  296. *289 you have to be worried if people want to bring chaos and anarchy in this beautiful country of ours.It appears the catholics are in the forefront of inciting zambians to revolt against their elected govt going by Fr Bwalya’s live prog yesterday.Dear zambians the catholic has been at the center of most conflicts in africa,and i hope they haven’t set their eyes on zambia now that we have uranium and oil/gas.I am sure we are capable of peacefully rejecting their imperialist machinations dispite having alot of intellectually challenged brothers especially on the C/B and LSK.

  299. Father Frank Bwalya has just been released.He is also a pf cadre? why dd pf cadre run amok in kitwe today and yet father Bwalya is not pf….Educate us pleaseeeeeeee

  300. *295 I guess that is what the Rwandanese were thinking before the genicide until they realised that the true perpetrators were catholic priests(some are even serving sentences) wake-up Fr Bwalya is being used as a local guy to bring fire in this country.Don’t wholly trust these guys they work like soldiers under command.
    ASK RWANDESE!!!!

  303. Annonymous Namwanga Voting 4 MMD to tell you the truth people are not told the truth. They are told if you vote 4 PF “Kuliwa Inkondo” meaning war.Sata is a hardworking person and u will have no choice as at now but to vote for Pf. The other reason why MMD won in Nakonde area is that Silalve MP area if he is still there after that scandal which i believe u know. If u have eyes and brains vote 4 PF No Kaunda, Nawakwi or sakwiba these are a desgrace to us. We need change and MMD will never bring anything better if you look at people like VJ why do they want power they have no where to go.

  304. Iwe 256, stop lies. Only the 38% that voted for Sata are not happy with the results. The UPND supporters would rather have RB and not Sata and his PF in state House if HH lost.

  307. PABWATOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    PABWATOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    PABWATOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  308. Tears gas cans are being shot to disperse the crowds.It is really bad to see old people walking home because there are a few buses to them home.It is really unfair for the police to start shooting tear gas cans at innocent people who are walking out of town hoping to catch a bus.People are still running in all directions and the situation is getting worse.Too bad for our democracy,police officers are even beating our poor people and asking them to run.It is shocking as I watch from my office window.There is total comfusion in kitwe.

  315. Students from ZIBSIP have sarted throwing stones at the police officers for beating their fellow students as they were coming from classes to their boarding house.People are running everywhere and police are firing shots in the air.

  316. ‘But opposition leader Michael Sata of the Patriotic Front has claimed that the election was rigged, and has demanded that the results be verified. Kitwe is a Patriotic Front stronghold and Father Bwalya is an influential figure, our correspondent says.’
    Source: news . bbc . co . uk /2 /hi /africa /7726776 . s t m

    The Undereducated is Bemba and the father Bwalya is Bemba also. Please, unbiased Bemba People find time to convince you fellow unsensitive Bembas including the Undereducated’s Imagebuilders to respect the fact that Zambia is a Nation of 71 – 73 Tribes.

    let us all embrace “One Zambia, One Nation” in unity as a Nation.

  318. #296, don’t be an hypocrite!! You can not generelize all the Catholics. Don’t you know that 90% of schools and hospitals in Zambia were built and run by catholics? I am sure even your grand father went to one of them. Secondly, catholics are the voice of the voiceless. What have you done yourself to avoid this anarchy?

  320. I am reliably told that some property has been damaged in Kitwe by people who were vexed by Fr Frank Bwalya’s arrest. If indeed that is true, the Police now have a solid reason for not allowing the planned demonstration and PF should have themselves to blame. There is just no way the demo can go ahead with such kind of violence.

  324. All presidents with young wives must be directed to me for service! Hence Mr Ro… Be…. should have have his wife screwed becoz he’s old and sleepy.

  325. Sata has done a lot for Zambia and would have been Zambia’s 4th president had it not been for my grandy in Shangombo and Isoka. To appreciate this son of Zeddy, I suggest we accord him the ‘Former Head of State’ status with immediate effect.

  326. #296 Rwanda strife was ignited by Kagame. He shot two Hutu Presidents-Burundi and Rwanda respectively. And Sata/Fr Frank are not to blame just look out formmd machinations

  327. Country men and women Zambians suffer because of few selfish leaders like Shikapwasha he was the airforce commander what is it that he did to remember him for?? His thick skinny noise,this Nyama soya cant even appoint his cabinet, the Guy is overwhelmed by the rigged elections hence the nation as gone to sleep. Now his informers are arresting people that are exercising their freedom of expression.GENTLEMEN we needed people like SATA to fuel this country to prosperity otherwise we are DOOM ..remember UNIP is back and FTJ is born again twafwa napanga…as akapwalifye gets expensive.

  328. Whoever is bringing disturbance, breaching peace and calling for rotious behavior should be arrested and dealt with. The same cadres or advocates are the ones who are suffering. Imagine Sata is now in Lusaka, enjoying lunch, then siesta, while poor street kids and ba Missed calls, Pf Cadres are throwing stones. Throwing stones for what? To whom? Banda is already a president and no International or local observer condemned his authentic election. Only ignorant people have little minds. It is time to look for the future not damaging the little we have.

  330. PF(sata)

    45 years ago, Kibaki and Michuki were in Cabinet and Kennedy was running for President. Obama was 1 year old. 45 years later, Kibaki and Michuki are still in cabinet, and Obama is a candidate for the same seat Kennedy was running. In 45 years, Obamas father is dead, we have had Johnson, Carter, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Clinton, Bush 1 and Bush 2 in USA in between as presidents but in Kenya the same guys in their 70’s and 80’s are still trying to tell Kenyans they can make development models that work?’ Makes u
    think?? Something is seriously wrong with Africa !!!!! Something is wrong with me & you
    too!!!!!!!!!

    Sata please retire,do not be like KIBAKI

  331. One would need to build many prisoners to accommodate the rapidly inceasing number of PF suppoters. You need to understand the meaning og DEMOCRACY you lot.

    PABWATOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  333. Actually building prisons first for arresting PF supporters is on MMD’s list of priorities, no agenda for starving/dying villagers he bribed to be in office. MMD will deal with poverty after villagers death, how smart is that?

    We need a change. VIVA PF VIVA SATA!
    pabwatooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

  343. *318 and 326 I am not generalising .It is a fact the catholics have been involved in many conflicts around africa and mostly on the wrong side of the conflict.why? Because these guys are very sharp and they bide their time to wait for the right moment to cause confusion in the host country.I do not deny that they provide proper social services to us but for all you know that could be to win our trust and do whatever they want when time is right.This catholic is not the catholic of yesteryears ,this is a business corporation that always looks at the benefits to itself.BE WARNED ZAMBIANS

  345. Police officers are now stopping motor-vehicles from entering kitwe town,I can see vehicles and people being cleared out of town,meaning I have to go as well.Let peace love and unity prevail in our motherland.

  347. There for all to see, PF cadres will resort to violence at the slightest provocation, this should tell you something about the leadership. Why didn’t they go to Livingstone or Mongu to organise their demonstrations. Father Bwalya received a letter like any other radio station that live phone -in programmes have been banned, but guess what he went ahead to defy the order. He deserves what he got, the voter verification exercise has not been concluded and according to PF leadership,the elections were rigged. In the meantime educated zambians in the DIASPORA (in other word safely tacked in) are shouting viva to violence and anarchy. this is unbelievable. Be in Kitwe now and experience this.

  348. A political expert from USA was giving some tips to four political party leaders on how to strategise for one to win an election.At the end of the session he told Sata that if he followed the instructions properly, no one among the four would beat him, come October 30.The same message was told to Miyanda, Banda, and Hichilema.
    Seen why he is demonstrating?

  349. Registra of societies please wake up.

    If it was Fifa it can ban a country or club to undertake matches.

    Take a leaf from FAZ it banned mighty mufulira wonderas at shinde
    stadium.

    Whats is this nonses about political parties supporters rioting?

    Put your house in order.We dont want unnacesary cafew to be imposed.

  350. Shikapwashi is just a lame christian who fails to accomodate gentiles. Let pipo talk. I am a person who witnessed RIGGING in Navutika. Around 20:35hrs riggers came with two stuffed ballot boxes, but luckily gallant observers refused the boxes. The MMD thugs tried to squeeze in the boxes by cheating that there was a new polling centre at Mangani’s hammermill plant. The boxes were rejected and disappeared in an unmarked/unregistered vehicle.

    Thus the real story i witnessed with my own eyes. So let them demostrate. Guys use this site to build this nation and always strive to tell the truth.

  351. Keep on keeping on PF PABWATOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  352. Zambia is now losing it,people should now learn to survive, its one man for himself. this government will NEVER do anything for its people.run if you can, or lets resort to selling out.

  355. Refer to 225, there is change we can believe in PF and with Sata. The slogan doesnt even suit the cobra with sinking titanic. There is no comparisons that cud be drawn bt Sata and Obama. There is no similarities for example the quality of education of Sata to that of Obama and the quality of supporters of Obama and Sata. Obama and HH cud be compared coz both are young and educated and very sharp and have the ability to articulate economic issues in line with the current modern world than Sata who still believe in politics of 1980s.VIVA HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  356. Zambia is in crisis – no cabinet named when elections were held 2 weeks ago, mealie meal 75grand ,people being arrested for expressing thier oppinions God have mercy

  357. Yesterday the MMD sadistic govt made a terrible misjudgement on the mood of the country especially on c/belt by ordering the arrest of Father Frank Bwalya the station manager of radio ichengelo. Kitwe town almost came to a stand still today as the gathering of people slowly started building momentum to protest against the police action. This Shikapwasha thug reads a different type of bible and thats why he wants to deny people their constitutional rights. Nyama soya had better get the right people in cabinet or else no one will eat his nsima lelo.

  358. We pray for peace to prevail in our nation despite our political differences.. we pray that the Lord takes care of our families… we arrest the spirit of violence..in the name of Jesus Christ

  361. #359 thanks be to our agile police, 55 million peeople said no to Obama, are they throwing stones? Maturity should begin, where as our colleagues in developed countries look at what they can do for themselves if Government provides the environment, ours are told that i will put money in your pockets, for your own information Sata knows this was his best chance, come 2011 I know of ‘PF Supporters’ that have openly told me that they are for HH. Watch this space. He provides soft landing that even MMD would be more comfortable with HH that Sata.

  362. chi sakala, u r a shushu, paid by nyama soya to infiltrate this blog, u are paid for the excreta u are placing here, u just presssed a wrong button, u cow!!!

  364. My friend has just SMSED now that the situation in Kitwe is extremely bad. If Nyama Soya is in control let him sort out that mess. Otherwise war appears to be a good formula A

  366. Father Bwalya has been taught a lesson for being PF Cadre.One day he will rot in prison he was not suppose to preach he a hopeless PF cadre.God will punish him severely.Peace is a commodity the pipo who will die beacuse of him they will be washed in his blood.Not every body is PF.Not evry body voted.Arrest all peptrators of viollance.

  369. #367 you can say that again and stay put in what looks like australia or some british colony, be in kitwe or eastern Goma and shout like that while a muzzle loader is facing you

  371. The riot is a clear reminder of rigged elections which got the lizard in office. Please someone educate MMD sleeping supporters about democracy!

  375. IF BANDA WANTS A NEW START WITH THE ZAMBIAN PEOPLE HE SHOULD FIRE ALL THE CABNET MINISTERS, AND APPOINT HIS ON BECAUSE THEY WILL MAKE HIS JOB DIFFICULT

  379. ENOUGH OF CRIMAL LEADERS PLEASE UNIP ADVISE YOUR PRESIDENT TO TURN TABLES SOME MINISTERS THINK THE OWN THE PEOPLE. BANDA MIGHT RECONCILE WITH ZAMBIANS IF HE FIRES THE OLD GUYS FROM GOVERNMENT

  381. WAKEUP BANDA LEVY SHOULD CHILUBA WHAT HE IS MADE OF
    STOP BEING A PUPET OF TUMA MINISTERS FIRE THEM YOU WILL LOSE FEW AND GAIN MORE THE CITIZENS

  382. WAKEUP BANDA LEVY SHOWED CHILUBA WHAT HE IS MADE OF
    STOP BEING A PUPET OF TUMA MINISTERS FIRE THEM YOU WILL LOSE FEW AND GAIN MORE THE CITIZENS

  384. What makes you think sata can solve the problems Zambia is percolating through.He (sata) is the manufacturer of some of the problems,now that is outside the inner circle and you want to praise him.

    A big snake in the grass.

  385. sata you are not a a person i can count on.You have an evil heart.You have divided the relation with your own niece(FAUSTINA SIMYANGWE),Matero MP.
    Tell me Zambia how SATA is going to unity the 72 tribes.
    One Zambia one nation is slowly been destroyed by sata.

  387. The question is, “Has the matter gone to court or not?” If the matter is before the courts of law, then NO PROTESTS, PEACEFUL OR VIOLENT are constitutionally allowed for PF. If the matter has already gone to court, the police erred in giving a permit. If the matter is not yet before the court, GO AHEAD, ITS YOUR RIGHT TO HOLD PEACEFULL demonstration.
    ADVICE. POLICE, PLEASE ALWAYS KNOW THE LAW BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING. THIS IS GOOD FOR MOTHER ZAMBIA.

  388. @ 384

    On what basis is sata responsible for the problems? all he has done is successfully apply for a permit for a legal and constiutionally approved rally. Zambia is a democracy. One is entitled to appeal aganist corruption elections and to protest. What is wrong is for a minster to openely diapprove of a demorcatic right based on the fact that he wants to keep his job!

  390. LET OF OF YOU SPEAKING AGAINST PF GO TO HELL AND GET LOST.
    MULIFIPUBA MONSE INCLUDING CHI SHIKAPWASHA.

    WHERE IS MULONGOTI HOHOHO.

  391. SEEN IT BEFORE: If you want bloggers like you and your fellow PF cadres who own LT to inform pipo on real matters, then what is the role of LT?
    It has been evident so far that this LT belongs to PF and it’s cadres.
    Can someone create another website where we can debate real issues and not PF issues especially that they’ve lost elections.
    If PF think they can cause anarch in the nation,they better rest and forget. NONSES!

  394. Cycle Mata C, am seeing you ending up in chainama hospital very soon because every sensible zambian is against Ingombe Iledee, so you will now try to shift from your neighbourhood coz its ‘owned by pf’, u will also quit yo job coz ‘ its owned by pf’, you will even stop going to church claiming the pastor is ‘owned by pf’!!

  395. Refer to 385, dont about Sata destroying one Zambia One Nation coz time is catching up with before he destroys it he will be gone espeially from heart attack. Stay cool the man is sick and will never be president of this Coutry either through elections or kitwe demostrations. All pipo from CB and Lusaka whether educated or not especially those from lusaka central are not sharp compared to the rural pipo who cud make very good analysis bt candidates who means well to our food basket. They voted for Nyama Soya and HH. Lusaka District and copperbelt are Zambia and no longer determines who becomes president of this great nations.

  396. @ Cycle Mata
    Not everyone who is aganist the govnerment is a PF supporter, we are just true patriots with a geunine concern for where our country is going and we refuse to sit there and be lied to! therefore we are expressing ourselves as is our democratic right! GEEESH!! Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right as stated in the UN Charter!

  397. Clearly these pipo have mo idea of how to run the nation. 2 weeks after elections and the new president has not addressed the nation on the way forward. No wonder the dollar is back at K4200 because investors don’t know what Govt’s position is. So instead of talking about permits, let’s talk real issues of mealie meal and fuel. The way forward pipo. What has happened to Levy’s legacy? Is it being given a new look? God help us.

  400. My people..go ahead with protesting…I promised u money in yo pockets after all.So if u just forget abt it all like that ninshi lwenu.

  401. Gerneral Shikapwasha, you are a solder wake up!! Are you sleeping like Nyama soya your boss NYAMA SOYA when police gave PF a pemit!! Police had no right to deny it PF were exercises their human rights!!
    WAKE UP GENERAL!!!

  403. #28, Abena Copperbelt, some data are supposed to be State Secrets.

    Please, nobapatipati. As we support president HH, let us limit the use of State information for we may be followed by GRZ shushushus for it is easy. Remember, Maron Zaza in South Africa, please.

  405. People are free to express themselves if they feel agrieved. but they should do it in a non violent manner.
    afterll when they(copperbelt) voted for MMD in 2001 what were they thinking? That was our rare chance to have removed MMD from power but they gave MMD a massive vote!

  406. Shikapwasha,listen to me very carefully,I shall say this only once.Rememeber when you were out of work you had a struggling business at Longacres and used to come to Melissa Supermarket to buy stake on bone and request that the bone be removed so its stake only?I hope you are saving money just in case you have rainy days because Ronnie you never seem to learn.Do some investing if you can thank you.

  409. Pipo in zambia please dont take things in your hands. it’s not sata, his wives or children nangu guy scott causing hovac in CB. U were end up in prison like Capt Solo…

  410. LT: Breaking news: VJ is the new Chief Whip. Cat of nine lives? Dejavu!! is anyone out there stillin doubt that Banda is taking the country backwards, and not forward? How can he possibly claim to continue Mwanawasa’s legacy when he is surrounding himself with everyone Mwanawasa had dismissed!!

  412. So the general was right after all.. demonstrations of PF cadres will only lead to violence.. the general is sharper than the police..

  413. #355, HaHa aka HH does not know the big difference between theft and misapplicaton;neither intelligent nor wise.
    PF don’t push your luck too far.
    Peaceful demostrations are done in the voting booth.If outcome is not accepted by debased people, whole excersise is under threat.
    Govt must protect the principle and concept of elections.Any genuine party that participates must accept results.
    Its farming season now, we need more food next year and food riots!!!PF leaders; work up!!!

  415. #413,
    last line to read: its farming season now, we need more food next year and NOT food riots!!! Pf leaders; work up!!!

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