Government has dismissed media reports suggesting that government is plotting to arrest private Post Newspapers proprietor, Fred M’membe, and defunct Zambian Airways Chief Executive Officer, Mutembo Nchito, for alleged theft by agent.
Chief Government Spokesperson and Information Minister, Ronnie Shikapwasha, described as untruthful the claim by the Post Newspaper edition of February 20, 2008 that government is planning to nab the duo for the inability by the defunct Zambian Airways to meet its financial abligations with National Airports Corporation.
Leutenant General Shikapwasha, however, indicated that investigative agencies of government are probing Zamban Airways as a follow-up observation made by Members of Parliament concerning the financial relationship between Zambian Airways and National Airports Corporation and other institutions.
“I want to state that whereas it is true that investigative agencies of government are probing Zambian Airways as a folow-up to observations made by members of Parliament concerning the financial relationship between Zambian airways and NAC and other institutions, there is absolute no truth in the claim President Banda or government is plotting to silence the two over the matter or indeed on any other matter,” Lt-Gen. Shikapwasha said.
Gen. Shikapwasha told ZANIS in a Statement that the investigative agencies were simply performing their normal operations, as they have done in many other cases involving other institutions in the past.
He explained that the agencies had competent professionals that have their own jurisdiction to decide on the course of action to take on cases upon completion of investigations.
He appealed for maximum cooperation to be given to investigative agencies to enable them complete investigations expeditiously.
“What the investigative agencies are doing is one of their normal activities as agencies have done in many other cases in the past. As in any matter investigated by those agencies, the principle of innocence until proven guilty is observed to the letter. There is no need to panic over mere investigations,” he said
He said there is no need to panic for people involved in the Zambian Airways financial credit scam because the principle of innocence until proven guilty is observed.
ZANIS/KC/ENDS/SJK
arrest them,they have caused alot of misery.stop wasting time,act now.
Uko…!! :-w
Well done Zambia. At least we can start having confidence in the system if indeed this is not just talk.
Another one of M’membe’s tactics of diverting attention away from himself and his illegal activities and thereby making others look as if there are persecuting him. Too bad the government is also a major contributor to this state of affairs by failing to effectively, professionally and thoroughly investigating these cases and seeing them to their logical conclusion. Good luck to you Mr. Chief Government Spokesperson and Information Minister!
CONT’D…You are so quick to comment on frivolous issues, and yet you haven’t had the guts to even open your mouth over the Zamtel and other scandalous issues that have been in the news lately surrounding your Minister Dora Siliya. How can you expect the Zambian public to have confidence in you, seriously? You guys are all fakes! No wonder M’membe is every day outwitting you lot at every turn! N0o imagination whatsoever. How on earth did some of you even rise to be Commanders of our defense forces, I wonder!
This is poor journalism at its best. They are innocent but they are running a scam? A scam is illegal and if they are running it, then they are guilty. C’mon LT you can do better than that. I can see that you are a government sympathizer.
to some mmembe is a saint,he can’t be a con.-good luck to you.
IF THEY ARE FOUND WANTED HAVE THEM TRIED WITHOUT WASTING TIME.
IF THEY ARE FOUND WANTING LET THEM BE TRIED WITHOUT WASTING TIME.
Always going in a circle- boring :p8->
RB is getting even.:d
What we need is mealie meal and not polticking. St**id MMD
Go in farming my friend. That way you will not wait for somebody else to bring you mealie meal.
Why is it that some of you funny characters hate Membe so much?its like it would really excite you so much if Membe was to be arrested.What you dont realise is that in all the 3 administrations of Chiluba,Levy and Rb.The post has been looked at as the enemy of government.The post has continued to expose characters who are thieves in government.As a result of this they have tried to find ways and means of how they could fix Membe and the post but to no avail.They have taken him to court before for what they court called defamatory publications.So the issue of Zambia airways owing National ports money is an opportunity for government to fix him.But the post has faught battles before and won.Without the post how would Zambia be today? Dont just say nonsese against Membe.See beyond mwe tunangwa imwe. I will stand by the post.Ba LT naimwe its obligation not abligation ninshi kanshi so.
WHY DO YOU WORSHIP SUCH A CRIMINAL . ..JACKALS OF SAME SHADE. WHATEVER GOES UP MUST COME DOWN…..LOVE IT OR NOT HE IS IN FREEFALL…
how can I prove u are stil a virgin?
Only a fortnight ago, Dora said the Nchito brothers own all of Zambia Airways and no shares whatsoever were attributed to the Post. What is this masalamusi people are now puking here about M’Membe being arrested.
dont throw stones to people when you leave in a glass house- mmembe stop diverting issuses to look for sympathy from people if you are involved in a scam u got to go in we need a clean zambia
Mebeelo exactly, you are right.The closure of Zambia airways as a result of finacial difficulties can happen to any other organisation.But is that the fault of directors? did M,membe steal money from Zambia airways for it to collapse. Meebelo nakulata wena utwile?
# 13 you are so naive. Lool at issues separately. Don’t you think that could have been a motivating factor for them to be involved in such a scam, because they write sensational stories and they would divert the masses minds?
Well I am a qualified Forensic Accountant if need be I can help man!
MMD is barking dog without teeth they are good at talking no action they keep on delaying becouse they are on the same boat so mainy cases are pending haa i dont know how we are going to remove these ba inzi banyandule baweza ziko pansi mbasokwe ayisha
Please Lusaka Times you will be doing us a great favor if you write a story like this one then you give us a solid background to what Shikapwasha is reacting to. LT you need to learn to find the story, run the reactions and conclude the story. You can not just be running reactions to stories run by the post. I say this to point out that, you need to show us that you also did some ground work by at least trying to get a comment from Nchito and Mmembe, one of the government investigative wings. This is called armchair reporting you are now doing. You you just monitor stories on ZNBC or read the post stories for follow up.
#17 JM i have forgiven for saying all what you said.Good day!
Moin Moin Bloggers. Let me read.
The truth shall set you free.
Fred Mmembe and Nchito’s credit fraud and racketeering amount to economic sabotage a prosecutable offense.
Follow how “Ponzi scheme” are being addressed in the USA. You want tax papers money to the tune of US $32 Million they have scammed to be written off?
Bernard Madoff, a quiet force on Wall Street for decades, was arrested and charged on Thursday with allegedly running a $50 billion “Ponzi scheme” in what may rank among the biggest fraud cases ever.
US regulators have sued billionaire R. Allen Stanford and three of his companies for allegedly running a “massive” fraud that touted “improbable, if not impossible”
Taken note #20. Sorry for going too extreme!
Elolunyele
These statements ussually come before an arrest. Lets wait and see.
What has LT changed about this site ?
YOU HAVE EYES BUT YOU CANT SEE….U NEED HELP
Zambia a :-@:-@:-@:-@:-@:-@:-@:-@:-@:-@:-@:-@:-@ nation
No smoke without fire. Surely how can we belief the Govt. They we had enough maize to feed the nation but now we here different stories. They exclaimed huge profit for exporting maize and now we have to pay more to buy the same maize. Someone is merely following export theory to export mealie meal and now they call it smuggling. Where are we going? Anyway, I hope the profit made works for the people.
I have categorically stated this.No one is above the law,as much as we appreciate what the post has done in terms of exposing evils deeds in both public and private sector,M’membe should be probed too.Who is m’membe to be spared?Let the investigativing agencies of government do the probe.If he is found innocent the better.This does not mean the Govt.is trying to silence him(M’membe)
Interestingly I enjoy reading the POST even though we know they have issues to deal with.
-They carried PULE wedding photos but never did the same when Mmembe wedded.
– The POST ZA Matrix? Hiding some truth; WHY?
26. Ba Dr Maureen
Morning Doc. Imwe I tuned in and was expecting something new pa LT but there is really no signs of any Outage!
This Case is worth waiting for!! I am sure someone is already panicking !!
Meridian bank, Union bank, Prudence, United bank of Zambia and other companies have failed and none of its directors has been brought to book. Reasons…..In simple terms the owner and the business are separate entities……Unless the directors / owners are found wanting
Every Zambian must face the law whether it is Fred Mmembe or it is Dora Siliya. They say every dog has its day and when that day comes don’t complain. Some days back Fred Mmembe himself challenged the govt to investigate him if they thought he had doine anything wrong. Now that they have started doing so he is accusing them of witch-hunting. What double standards!! He has to face the law. And it is not only Zambian Airways, there is also the case of him wanting to buy ZAMTEL. Fred Mmembe is not special and let’s stop giving him this unqualified support, that’s how we create dictators. He is not a GOD, he is an ordinary citizen and must face the law. FULL-STOP.
amen well said. this is what I have been trying to drum into people. How can an accused person then choose who should investigate
chimangeni chi Membe pamozi na chi Nchito. No one is above the law. if they expose others well and good…..but if they are going to steal as well in the background…then those litlle sluts should be caged.
Hear me good….Legally the government has no leg to stand on in the Zambian Airways case
what makes you dream like that….you sound like an undereducated zedist . Wishes are better than a borrowed cycle…
What legal dull Chap? Think before U write. NAC is a Govt so are u.
Iwe even when their news edityor Chansa Kabwela properly married Henry Ngilazi they did not run the story so why should they run MMmembe’s story? News was a Pastor marrying for teh third time when he said that God spoke to him about his first wife before marrying her!
36. deleted i have just rate your last posting.
ops i meant rated
Welcome news but we need them to speed up whatever inquiries they are carrying out.
please zeds lets not sympathise with criminals
Unfortunately my friend, that is the growing culture pa zed. The more a guy can steal the more praise and sympathy he gets. Its sickening to say the least. A thief is a thief regardless of their status in society because they all belong to one place, PRISON. I wish thieves could be hanged by their balls. All this world economic metdown was caused by thieving Chief Executives in the so called developed world.
#33.
A lot of substance in what you have written.Leaders are born and not created.Let us wait for the investigativing agencies of government to conclude the matter before us………
Why is M’membe scared of his own shadow?Even if you reache self actualisation in life,do not over look on small issues.The law of the land will take it’s course.I am watching at the distance the case involving private Post Newspapers proprietor, Fred M’membe, and defunct Zambian Airways Chief Executive Officer, Mutembo Nchito
To all wishing to see the down fall of The Post, i say good luck coz you will need it. But may I ask, do you live or have you lived in Zambia long enough to know or understand the history of the Post? Every single corruption case that has come to the attention of Citizens has been dug up by this paper, from the Chiluba era, LPM’s and RB…Coming to think of it, the Post has had more influence in the running of govts than all Parliaments, ACCs and all investigative wings rolled together. Govt officials fear taking a phone call from the Post than from the ACC….if you care about this country, you should know that we need this paper.
I think we need some clarification here. For Zambian Airways to go bankrupt does it have an impact on the Government. As much as it may owe some money to the Govt that is normal for most companies that go bankrupt and because Zambia has failed to have strategic plans such as bankruptcy laws then the reasonable thing is for them to work a payment plan with the Govt like any normal private business would do. As for the loan from DBZ we all know people get loans from financial institutions and may not use it on what was intended but may still pay back with interest unless the rules here were differEnt someone needs to shed more light.A lot of companies and airlines even in developed
imwe let them probe them if they did something illegal the law will take its course if they didnt do any thing wrong bakabaleka simple.
countries go bankrupt and owe a lot of money to various stakeholders but they are protected by bankrupcy laws and once they declare that there are a bankrupt all their debt is forgiven. I think if our govt was SMART those are measures amongst other strategic measures they should be putting in place to cushion local investors and Zambians generally.I think all these talks are just politiking and as Zambians we want to see results from the Govt. From my understanding the Govt ministries owe a lot of money to the private sector and donors which we have never seen benefiting the Zambians i think if this is the route they are deciding to take then we as Zambians also deserve explanations of
43. Anonymous and 42. Uwakwisano have just been rated in their last postings
43. Anonymous,
Are you implying that US $32 million plus of tax payers’s money they scammed should be written off?
47. Jurist are you saying Fred robbed a bank? Did the bank carry out credit risk analysis, credit profiling, credit scoring, credit worthiness, affordability test etc
This is all conspiracy by MMD, People cant you see that Dora is pulling all strings here, this woman wants to get even with the post newspaper and we all know that she hated Zambia Airways, thus getting even with the owners. Not saying that the two clowns are angels but this is now becaming a circus!I’m sure other countries are laughing at us!
Mmembe and Nchito should pay for their sins.perod.
They should actually dance to the thurgery song like anyone else..
Money involved in their scancdal is too big taxpayers money…
I am sorry i just discovered i didn’t have my name on for comments 43 and 45, i know there is a user id Anonymous . Anyway then we as Zambians also deserve explanation and hold the Govt accountable for all the debts they are owing the private sector and donors because honestly whatever they budget for annually it does not trickle to the common Zambian and yet the Govt keeps accruing debts. And if indeed they need to take steps towards Zambian airways for whatever reasons which they should make known then they need to take similar steps on all local and foreign investors who maybe in the same situation without discrimination. Singleling one entity may be classified as discrimination
I think without delay lets proscute Dora and move to whatever Gov. want to do with the post and zambia airways . One thing at a time pliz . Gov. and your president u are embarassing us . U are a disgress you guys .
Dora has to face the law and her associates .
#42.
You a missing the point.Our interest is the law of the land to take it’s course.The truth let it come out.If we want to know the truth,does not mean,we are wishing the post to fold up.
Knowing the truth and making the Post to fold up,should be treated separately.
This seems to me that its a Zambian phase of the watergate scandal.You may wish to recall that when faced with overwhelming evidence of his involvement in the scandal, president Nixon`s staff under his authority, ordered illegal audits like this one in ZA.
What is the Govt doing about those foreign Investors who have swindled our country such as the mines amongst others.If it is a time of accountability then it should be across the board no exceptions starting with GRZ, 44 years of independence and still the country is living below the poverty datum line and the billions spent can’t even be accounted for. What is the Govt doing about the auditor’s report that was released on the ministry of Immigration,nothing the report is just gathering dust. Let not the Govt have double standards by only wanting to put to task only those that are a pain to them. We also need to tackle situations one at a time so that the Zambians are not distracted let us
finish with the Minister of transport and Communications issue then we can move on to others of which the Govt should also be part of the list to be investigated otherwise with these distractions we are seeing coming up we will not take the Govt serious and we will conclude that they are playing games with Zambians because they are not being focused which is also one of the reasons we are lagging behing in development as our Govt is not SMART and focussed. God bless zambia
i feel sorry for mother zambia. reading the comments on this issue am saddened by the extent of ingorance among our citizens. the lack of ability to analyse issues. clear that hate is the driving force. we are even prepared to shoot ourselves in the foot. we are not able to see who is the friend of zambia as oppossed to enemies of the people. no wonder we have rmained poor. indeed zambia shall remain corrupt. you dont have to be a genius to know that the post shall never be a friend to any government becoz they speak for the silent pipo regardless of whatever any member of the post does wrong or right afterall they are just human beings. pray for wisdom so u do not arrest innocent pipo
Read the editorial in THE POST today and make your own conclusions. It seems that they tried to help Zambian Airways out when ZA was getting short of money like many other airlines too. There is nothing wrong with that. But as a newspaper that wants to be independent it would have been better maybe to stay out of business dealings with Zambian Airways in order to avoid the accusations they are facing now.
Tabalaisala kanshi.
Jam@co.
NIne Chale
Ba DR Maureen
Chewe
Pipo ala LT is still availabe iseni.
59. Matworld. Are you not greeting me?
Njinja Yobweleka
Iam so sorry My dear.Please forgive me.
Sabona?
How is your day so far?
#53 -6666, that is your thinking but are you sure GRZ is thinking the same. Every administration that has been since 1991 has had a bone to chew with the Post. They all wish they could just shut up or shut down because they reveal too much and RB’s is no different. They all try to figure ways to put them to sleep or something and believe me they are currently working twice as hard to see this happen. Do you know why the Post still stands, because they have been right all the time, if it were not so people would have lost confidence in them long time ago…remember 18 years is not a short period!
Why are Fred and Nchito panicing if they are innocent? They are champoins at pointing out other proples misdeeds, did this make them think thier own misdeeds wont b eseen? Or did it make them feel immune to the law? They have commiteed cromes they should not have done so let them be accoutable. Arrest them please!
The post newspaper must not close, but if one of the members of staff is a crimnal, let him go to jail
LT sometimes the way you report news leaves much to be desired.Why should you report something as a “scam” whan it has not been proven so.This kind of reporting is dangerous,irresponsible and can land you in court. I totally agree with #6 Angel on this one.
59. Matworld.
hallo iwe we Muntu wandi!!
LT epobali!! Kabili you need specialists for an Upgrade! :d
Ninshi balikolwa ba Spezi!! Baliya ku tarven Wodwala! =))=))
Jam@co
Ndifye Best mudala wandi katwishi iwe uko kugelemani?
Well, I guess it depends on your definition of panicking. If by you inviting all invetigative and civil society bodies to check your involvement in an investment and opening up your accounts to scrutiny when you are being accused of misusing finances amounts to that, well then they are panicking…..but has it also occured to you that it could also be called transparency or openess?? It depends on which side of the fence you are standing, I might assume!
PLESAE READ, READ TODAYS’S POST EDITORIAL!!!!!!!!
THE POST HAS NOTHING TO FEAR ALL HAVE BEEN INVITED TO PROBE IN THE
ZAMBIAN SAGA! I ADMIRE THE BRAVENESS, INTELLIGENCE OF THIS YOUNGMAN FRED M’MEMBE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT AFTER READING THEIR EDITORIAL, THE POST WAS MERELY HELPING THE NCHITO BROTHERS FOR SURVIVAL. HOW I WISH ALL ZAMBIAN YOUNG MEN WERE BRAVE AND BLANT LIKE FRED! BUT WEEE, MA RUBBISH, EVEN THE CONTRIBUTIONS ON THIS BLOG SHOWS, SO SHALLOW.
Mrs. Phiri do not be so swift. Government is owed money so they are a creditor and according to every company law anywhere in the world a creditor can appoint an auditor to conduct a proper forensic audit. So membe can call as many NGO’s and civil society as he likes but this will have NO EFFECT on the government investigation and if any wrong doing is found then membe and nchito will face the law and will have to defend themselves in a court of law like everyone else suspected of a crime.
67. Matworld.
ndifye bwino. I am in the office at the moment until 17hrs!! I am working the whole weekend!!
So am around apa pa Computer!! :)>-
AUDITOR General Anna Chifungula yesterday said she will only find pleasure if she sees a conviction or a recovery of what has been lost through the abuse of public funds.
And Chifungula said the K36 billion allocation to the Auditor General’s office in this year’s budget is not enough for officers to carry out their works and even audit foreign missions.
Speaking when the visiting British members of parliament visited her office, Chifungula said a conviction or recovery would give the office a lot of pleasure and that officers had seen a few encouraging convictions including that of a former minister.
Lelo Arsenal alachaya abaiche….lets go Arsenal, Arshavin, Arsene and all other Arses!! Ba Mrs Phiri #69, some contributions here are not as shallow as you put it, though I agree with the point you trying put across.
She said last year, most of the large losses were written off, because the statute of limitation had taken effect.
Chifungula also explained that most of the issues that could not be resolved by her office after numerous follow-ups end up in the report.
“Like last year, we carried out 75 expenditure heads and of those we have about 55 in the report which means that the other 20 we dropped because we had resolved the issues with the various controlling officers,” she said.
Chifungula said her office also carried out performance audit as well as financial audits, which would be available in the next four weeks.
“We are also carrying out environmental audits as well as IT audits.
Post newspaper is not jst fred mmembe therese anotha share holder mr amos malupenga. so if u thnk the post is going down? lol then you are wrong. i know the grz jst want to scare mmembe bcoz of the r.p thng dora is not the only one involved .
mr. return ur totally misinformed. Membe is the largest shareholder holding more than 60% of Post shares. Amos is an employee with very little shares. Second biggest shareholder is late mazoka whose shares are now held by membe’s new wife the daughter of the late!! so maybe probably now owns close to 90% of the shares. Thats why he was able to use the Post as a guarantee for the money he got from investrust and DBZ. so any trouble for membe will mean trouble for Post.
Correction the late Mazoka shares in the Post Newspapers is very small. After he died his shares are owned by the Mazoka family not by his daughter.
We feel that we should be moving towards performance audits now more because then we need be looking at the effectiveness, efficiency and the economy of using those public funds,” she said.
She said those were very critical especially when people were becoming more supplicated in how they dealt with corruption.
Chifungula said for some people, corruption had become business and did everything possible look for a return on their corrupt activities.
She also said there was need to strengthen the laws and institutions like the Drug Enforcement Commission and the Anti Corruption Commission which were quite weak at the moment both financially and in terms of human resource.
Chifungula said there was a tendency for people to link any prosecution by the ACC to politics and this gave some element of interference in their work, which they had since strengthened.
“ACC is doing its best; in the last month, they are working with our officers on the purchase of food by the FRA and other ministries. There is quite an interest suddenly. In the past, if you wrote a letter with evidence, you would never even hear from them. They are writing back and sending officers to further investigate,” she said.
She cited revenue collection and procurement as the two major hot spots.
Chifungula also said her office protects whistle-blowers and treat their information as conf
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Chifungula also said her office protects whistle-blowers and treat their information as confidential.
She said civil society organisations like Transparency International and also the Press Freedom Committee of The Post had been very helpful in working with her office and disseminating information.
BA CHIFUNGULA THANKS YOU FOR WORKING SO HARD TO BRING THIS KIND OF CORRUPTION. I KNOW, YOU ARE A NON NOSENSE WOMAN! KEEP THE GOOD WORK AND CONTNUE WORKING WITH THOSE INSTITUTION THAT FIGHT CORRUPTION. STORY FROM TODAY’ POST.
Mrs phiri mwakamba vanzelu mami very few zedian cn help a freind.
Goodmorning bloggers.
Yes Jam@co, Matworld, Ba Maureen, Chewe na bashala.
I was also expecting major changes on the site following the update we received from LT yesterday. Anyways, it’s good to be back.
These cases pa Zed are really comical. One wonders who the real culprits are.
WERE IS THE UP GRADE LT 😕
😕
Just panic!! They will lock you up sooner or later :-w
What is true is that during the run up to the 2008 presidential by-election Hon Tentamashimba had indicated that all what RB needed was to walk away for a while and then govt would sort out some news papers, in an apparent reference to THE POST.
Fred ni shimbi. He is not perfect we know, but he fights for the voiceless. Would you know the number of corruption parctises without the POST? Ba ngwele you just calling for Mmembe’s head when he is not the POST. Mulifipuba
Nyama Soya will make the biggest blunder of his life if he takes on Mmembe and Nchito for bogus cases just to silence them and to slow down the porsecution of plunderers such as Chiluba. If Mmembe and Nchito have committed an offence let them be tried by the courts
Nyama Soya you will not be president forever, you will account for you deeds like Chiluba is doing now when he is the annointed one. Fight cooruotion not Mmembe and Nchito. Oza gwa
Fred warned us about Rupiah during the presidential elections, nomba namona that he was right and was not just hating on Nyama Soya. Viva Post Viva Mmembe :d/
By fixing THE POST and any body else ,Zambia would manage to walk 20years backward and render all the past accomplishes a naught.I HAD ANTICIPATED THAT THIS ADMIN WOULD BE MEDDLED WITH SUCH VERMIN .AND THAT IS WHY I DID NOT VOTE FOR IT
#48, Njinga Yobweleka, In matters of this nature we should all be, apolitical, fair and knowlegeable.
1. What would you say if the US$36Million debt to DBZ and Zambian Airways was owed by Rupiah Banda.
2. What in priciple is wrong for the police, ACC,DEC in investigating Mumembe, Mutembo and Zambian Airways to find out if a crime was committed?
3. A tribunal is about to sit in the case/s of Dora Siliya. In this case don’t you think our oversight institutions are performing their functions as they should.
4. When Mumbi resigned as SG of PF alleging misuse of K500m European Union money by Mr. Sata, don’t you think the post should have taken more interest in the name of fairreporting
The law must take its course. Anyone found wanting anywhere should face the due process of the law and that includes Mtembo and M’membe. Period. Sacred cows should be left to hinduism only.
Any terrorist daring the chosen people of Israel? We will run over them flat with our tanks or any military hardware.
Let me take a siesta………
Bantu ba Mulungu. Mmembe and Nchito were running a private Limited company protected under the Companies Act of the Laws of Zambia. Limited liability – mwa nvera? Dora is a minister employed by the GRZ elected as an MP by the electorate answerable to the people of Zambia. Manje, osa sokoneza ku ganiza. Dora is a public servant, Mmembe and Nchito are businessmen. Government would be insane to even think of investigating Nchito and Mmembe. They would be insane. Someone somewhere knows that the Nchito brothers were owed huge sums of money by the same Government. Did they pay those sums? DBZ lends money not by an act of parliament or statutory instrument. They lend by their own credit terms.
Zambians let us not be selective in fighting corruption. It seems we are not fighting corruption but Chiluba and his friends. In fact if we were serious we could have extended this fight back to Kaunda regime and make it mandatory to prosecute any incoming regime.
Now since Zambians are so shallow minded and very against Chiluba and his people, they would support the Post when it insults them but they will crucify the Post when it touches other tribes. This is what is happening in Zambia. An objective analyzer can see this. Why is Membe hated today when he was praised for bringing out Chiluba’s corrupt dealings to the attention of Zambians?
Continued
Ndipo, haters of Mmembe shall have to think of something else to cook up.In Today’s POST TIZ are asking Dora to step aside, remember Mulyata’s case? Po ganiza pali iyi nkani, o sa iwala ati the real issue is not Dora. Always keep that in mind. The real issue is not Dora. The issue is LPM legacy, where is it? As long as LPM’s legacy is nowhere to be seen, cases such as Doras and manay such shall be pursued to the limit by the likes of Fred, Harrington, Gen Miyanda, Lukuku, and many other real men of Zambia who are worth their salt. The Question is, are you worth the salt?
But have you read the response from ZICA the institution responsible for professional accountants? Also Mulyata was accused under the Anti corruption act for a criminal offence. Dora has been taken to a tribunal which is not a criminal court. It is an inquiry and there is no precendence for a Minister to resign during such an inquiry. She has not been charged with any crime and she is innocent until proven guilty. Levy used to do the wrong things and accuse people before proving it. In fact Mulyata was acquitted by the Courts!!!
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But to day you want to jail him coz other tribes are involved in corruption. I do not support the ZA case, if Membe is found wanting why not take him to the court of law?? Why waist time on him? :)>-:)>-:)>-:)>-:)>-
#62
You are missing the point.Iam not with the idea of The Post been closed but,the truth should come out,so that we know.
Information is power.
Zambia Airways collapsed in 1994. I wish the former employees who suffered so much to get their terminal benefits were still alive to sue Government for allowing the Airways to collapse the national airline!!! Ridiculous. Who created the Zambia Airways scam, were it not the same Zambian government which has failed to recapitalise Zambian Airways. What kind of economics is this?
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What truth are you asking. Zambbian Airways is a private owned company. What truth are you asking for. The truth must come from Dora who is a public servant. DBZ is a financial institution. Why should ti take GRZ to ensure that DBZ talk to Zambian Airways. GRZ had no role to play. It would be insane for GRZ to involve themselves in the financial transactions between the collapsed Zambian Airways and the DBZ. Both companies have boards, and they had lending agreements. Do you remember that Kavindele was never arrested for owing DBZ huge somes of dollars in those days. Why was he not arrested, because his comapny is a limited liability compnay delaing with a financial institution.
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The Herbalist. You are absolutely right. Paku blogger guyz kukwatako tu data.
Has anybody not noticed how Maestro blah blah blah is quiet when he finds himself contradicting himself, case in point I would be interested to know where he stands re Dora now that HH has said things are not right, because you can not play on both sides of the fence, so please educate us , and keep it brief if you can, without reference to the scriptures as we all have access to churches, thanking you most educated one :-w
People? GRZ is Rotten. Too much deals and eating. We need the post to bring these things out. If you dont like fred for being the owner of zambias most happening newspaper thats your problem. Most people who didnt support MMD during the elections are having their companies closed. This is wrong and it must stop. Zambia cant develop in this way. **==
Why not let sleeping cats lie? :d:
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# 90 NKOLE WA MAPEMBWE
“4. When Mumbi resigned as SG of PF alleging misuse of K500m European Union money by Mr. Sata, don’t you think the post should have taken more interest in the name of fair reporting”
PF’s cash is not public cash. $2 million going to RB Capital ooh sorry, RP Capital is public money. So we are not interested in the PF euros coz its theirs but $2.0m yeve niyatu.
The Post have invited several sections of society (including MMD) to investigate their dealings with Zambian Airways. People, its high time you learn that a company is a seperate person from its owners. So dealings of ZA have no bearing on Mmembe or Nchito.
Slumdog Kaponya
Is this shalapungu? Maestro chakuti chakuti is at church. You have forgotten that he appears after sunset. Catch him at after 18:3hrs. He will have his usual ‘pharisiacal’ drivel to drool. I notice you are quite nowadays is it because the ‘king of the South’ has lost direction.
I am claiming 102
If these guys have been telling fibs then let the law prevail. If it’s a way of settling scores, then that’s a big shame.
This looks wonderful LT
The level of blogging on this site is very shalow. I cant belive it. So some of you seem to just want Fred’s blood cos he owns the POST??? Work hard guys, you can have something bigger than the POST pls.
It is sad to hear that Zambian Airways is no longer in operation. I don’t want to start politiking and being a kachepa so let me get staright to the main issue. Zambia needs to have an air carrier that all Zambians can identify with surely. Even if it is privately owned/ run. Perhaps with assistance from Government the airline could have stayed afloat or can resume operations. As Zambians we need to be more supportive of each other and not PHDs (Pull Him/ Her downs), surely.
M’membe is a real one.The guy is means business. I salute him.infact ,the post is governing zambia.RB and his tandem of corrupt ministers are sleepy.
Fred ,keep it up.VIVA POST.
Am not one of those that always agree wit the POST, but they are the best sheet we have pa Zed. Can you imagine what the journalistic landscape would be without the POST?
The ZA issue shud be investigated fully, and all those involved irrespective of who they are should be brought to book if they are found wanting, period!
Linking Dora’s issues with ZA is immature at best and these cases shud be scrutinised on their respective merit or lack of it.
For now Dora step aside, Tribunal do your job.
THE HERBALIST
Ithink you use the right herbs.you should have come earlier before bakalibe kuononga the party .You speak a lot of sense.It looks like the coperate veil has already been fimbulad in this case and Mmembe is gonna be caned.Tefyo iya game ifi kwati bena ‘undertaker” muli wrestling with no rules.
Zed news.
Herbalist,
uli wamno sana boyi…I think some of our bloggers are ignorant about corporate matters. They should be educated on this. I am even surprised that the most educated blogger can’t see that. May be we have to sing to them every minute that a limited company has got limited debts deemed company’s debts and can not be extended to its directors unless there was fraud involved but even this is not easy to do. So Membe and Nchito they don’t have any creditors in their person capacity. I think this is a lesson to the Banks that they must learn to do risk assessment before dishing out money. But since our system in our county is corrupt this will continue happening…
in fact my brother membe personally guaranteed some of those loans with his house. he also used post shares and property as collateral. this guy is fighting for his life and will do anything to survive including telling lies. even dora resigns membe still has to face his creditors which include GRZ. he also has some ZRA kongole’s which are still to come. Just wait and see what will happen as time goes and the truth comes out. For all your education read Mulendema artticle in Times of Zambia. This the Zambia Institute of Certified Accountants the only body allowed by law to audit organisations.
mwanya bangwele bonse emwe who want membe to be in nimwe bakabolala or abana babakabolala nangu babululu benu nibakabolala,membe, sata these are the pipo we want in zed,mwatuchusha muno are u the only ones who want to be driving nice cars and having good houses in chalala. bonse ni zambia yesu,mwanya u are the ones to going in.lets go membe lets go…………………………………………….
ndolic boy
ai boyi wa li monako. Quickly investing a private limited firm over it’s own balance sheet. when ba fwila o ku takinga action pali ama heaps and heaps of Auditor General’s audit reports. awe boyi, Mmebme and Nchito will not be scathed in this because it is vindictive. The GRZ is digging a big hole for itself, a hole that Mmembe will take advantage of big time. Cheers boyi, good to have a sane head like yours, akambongolo, Ba Dr Maureen na Chewe the Virgin, Meebelo Mubyana. If you are man enough for Zambia, rise up. I meant if you are man and woman enough. Those who support corruption are the direct beneficiries and there minds are blinded by greed. viva Mmembe. Viva Nchito.
I am very disappointed with Pastor Ron Shikapwasha. He has already concluded and am sure he is so sure they have a water tight case against the Mmembe and Nchito. A prelude to what they are going to do probaly this weekend or next week. Its a shame. Its not a crime to be inteprising and to take calculated risks. These two did Zambia a lot of pride when their airline was operational. But our leaders would rather foreigners alone prospored while we wallowed in poverty and worshipped govt. Whatever happenned to the loan, the bank should have insured it. NAC will write off the bad debt. leave the two zambian sons alone you pathetic sw!!nes.
To all post haters, read wide. Stop guessing and dreaming.
Ladies and Gentlemen, kindly look at the bankruptcy laws of Zambia and anywhere in the world. You will come up with the same principles held by this law, which essentially is the liquidation of the assets so as to pay the creditors as well as the appointed liquidator. If at all any credit was under written by any of the directors using their private assets such as homes, farms etc then these would be forfeited to the liquidator for disposal so as to pay the creditor. If the directors of Zambian Airways did not use any of their private assets as collateral then they can not be made to lose their assets. You wil recall that General Christon Tembo had used his farm as collateral for MMD loan
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You wil recall that General Christon Tembo had used his farm as collateral for MMD loan when MMD defaulted his farm was at risk of being confisticated and bailifs even raided the farm (I however do not know how that one ended as I lost track of the case).
Bottom line, if the Directors of Zambian Airways are found to have been negligent in running the company then they can be charged accordingly, but I believe this will not result in them paying back from their personal resources. Ultimately, the Bank Managers that extended the loans must be fired for their negligence in not carrying out appropriate due dillegence before extending the loan.
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You wil recall that General Christon Tembo had used his farm as collateral for MMD loan when MMD defaulted his farm was at risk of being confisticated and bailifs even raided the farm (I however do not know how that one ended as I lost track of the case).
Bottom line, if the Directors of Zambian Airways are found to have been negligent in running the company then they can be charged accordingly, but I believe this will not result in them paying back from their personal resources. Ultimately, the Bank Managers that extended the loans must be fired for their negligence in not carrying out appropriate due dillegence before extending the loan.
ndolic
Ka Flag nakandufya ako.Are you the ndolic I know nangu niumbi.Iam in love with your comments today.Ala insamushi nashimpeta so no comments just enjoying your comments guys.
Bonse pa site.
Iam enjoying your comments.
Contd from 118
You wil recall that General Christon Tembo had used his farm as collateral for MMD loan when MMD defaulted his farm was at risk of being confisticated and bailifs even raided the farm (I however do not know how that one ended as I lost track of the case).
Bottom line, if the Directors of Zambian Airways are found to have been negligent in running the company then they can be charged accordingly, but I believe this will not result in them paying back from their personal resources. Ultimately, the Bank Managers that extended the loans must be fired for their negligence in not carrying out appropriate due dillegence before extending the loan.
Contd from 118
You wil recall that General Christon Tembo had used his farm as collateral for MMD loan when MMD defaulted his farm was at risk of being confisticated and bailifs even raided the farm (I however do not know how that one ended as I lost track of the case).
Bottom line, if the Directors of Zambian Airways are found to have been negligent in running the company then they can be charged accordingly, but I believe this will not result in them paying back from their personal resources. Ultimately, the Bank Managers that extended the loans must be fired for their negligence in not carrying out appropriate due dillegence before extending the loan.
LT more News kabili :-??
oops system problem thus too many submissions. Apologies bloggers
#1 is typical of some of the retards you find in Zambia. That is why I tend to refer Zambia as a backward country. There is too much envy. When a Zambian becomes successful in business, the vultures start circling. When the business fails, a lot of fellow Zambians start rejoicing. No wonder we still rely on foreign investment. ZA has failed full stop. Any debts arising from its operations should be dealt with in the manner prescribed by law. They are not to be used as a pretext for political vendetta. People like RB, Shikapwasha and Siliya really should have no place in our democracy. They will not rest until they find a way of shutting down the press and stopping freedom of speech.
#1 is typical of some of the retards you find in Zambia. That is why I tend to refer Zambia as a backward country. There is too much envy. When a Zambian becomes successful in business, the vultures start circling. When the business fails, a lot of fellow Zambians start rejoicing. No wonder we still rely on foreign investment. ZA has failed full stop. Any debts arising from its operations should be dealt with in the manner prescribed by law. They are not to be used as a pretext for political vendetta. People like RB, Shikapwasha and Siliya really should have no place in our democracy. They will not rest until they find a way of shutting down the press and stopping freedom of speech.
#42 and others glorifying the post do you mean to say it’s ok to steal aslong as you expose others??? We know what the post have done before but that does not mean we should look the other way when they are commuting fraud. Are you telling me because of the credit crisis sir stanford should not be brought to book because a lot of ppl will lose jobs or that the 20/20 will be affected
Zambia Airways, The Post are private businesses. If they are in violation of any laws, the relevant authorities should take action.
If their “crime” is bankruptcy, the country has sufficient legislation to cover thee too. If the “crime” is non remittance of government dues, how about so called investors who are given tax holidays, have debts written off (eg KCM) are not paying contractors and government dues with impunity? How about many other entities defaulting due to the current economic climate? The Post and M’membe are not perfect. But generally, they are the best at doing what they do. Woe betide us if the Post were to close. Shikapwasha is no more than a national embarassment!
Zambia Airways, The Post are private businesses. If they are in violation of any laws, the relevant authorities should take action.
If their “crime” is bankruptcy, the country has sufficient legislation to cover thee too. If the “crime” is non remittance of government dues, how about so called investors who are given tax holidays, have debts written off (eg KCM) are not paying contractors and government dues with impunity? How about many other entities defaulting due to the current economic climate? The Post and M’membe are not perfect. But generally, they are the best at doing what they do. Woe betide us if the Post were to close. Shikapwasha is no more than a national embarassment!
#1 is typical of some of the retards you find in Zambia. That is why I tend to refer Zambia as a backward country. There is too much envy. When a Zambian becomes successful in business, the vultures start circling. When the business fails, a lot of fellow Zambians start rejoicing. No wonder we still rely on foreign investment. ZA has failed full stop. Any debts arising from its operations should be dealt with in the manner prescribed by law. They are not to be used as a pretext for political vendetta. People like RB, Shikapwasha and Siliya really should have no place in our democracy. They will not rest until they find a way of shutting down the press and stopping freedom of speech.
I posted #131, but I forgot to enter my name. It appears as though LT assigns ‘Anonymous’ to such posts.
I have always likened George Kunda to Jonathan Moyo of Zimbabwe. The latter used his knowledge of the law to help Mugabe pass draconian legislation that lead to the banning of independent newspapers and generally undermining democracy in Zimbabwe. Unfortunately for Moyo, Mugabe fired him and he (Moyo) is now critisizing the same laws he help create. Goerge Kunda is a dark malignant force in government. He avoids standing for eletions but he is always in government. Such people are contemptuous of the electorate. His only job, it seems, is to use his knowledge to find loopholes in the laws and therefore justify wrong-doing.
Thanks very much 17 year old GRZ for putting it clear that let the PSOT Chief Editor Fred m’membe and his fellow Shareholder Mr Nchito relax instead of panicking.
The law of the land Zambia is meant to protect them and not to harm them.
As for the POST, Undereducate’s current mouthpiece and Imagebuilders, there is not need for you excite the Nation in your hope to receive sympathy from us Zambians. You can cheat a few DULL Zambians, but not all of us. I thus wish you all the best as the ZA Saga investigations take effect.
#33 > Pule’s wedding was out of God’s blessings cos at the end of his marriage to that young lady, he dennied having registered his marriage. Then his being a man of God remains questionable.
#33 > Pule’s wedding was out of God’s blessings cos at the end of his marriage to that young lady, he dennied having registered his marriage. Then his being a man of God remains questionable.
104. Zambia Prophet thank you for “Slumdog Kaponya Is this shalapungu? Maestro chakuti chakuti is at church. You have forgotten that he appears after sunset. Catch him at after 18:3hrs. He will have his usual ‘pharisiacal’ drivel to drool.” I really wonder why the character Slumdog kaponya thinks I MUST be blogging on LT when it is the Holy Sabbath day according to Genesis 1:5, Exodus 20: 8-11 and Ezekiel 20:20.
For those who do not know yet, I will always be off from Friday sunset to Saturday Sunset as I observe the Holy Sabbath Day.
Membe is a twister.he thinks is the only guy who is clever.Let him be caged by bad deeds.He hides his weakness in his news.
100. Slumdog Kaponya greetings. On your “Has anybody not noticed how Maestro blah blah blah is quiet when he finds himself contradicting himself, case in point I would be interested to know where he stands re Dora now that HH has said things are not right, because you can not play on both sides of the fence, so please educate us , and keep it brief if you can, ….” my stand is the same as I wrote before that I wish Minister Dora Siliya, Minister of Justice Veep G. Kunda and President RB Banda the very best in this issue. Let the 17 year old MMD GRZ continue ruling and being in control as opposed to be forced to run government by a newspaper control by a character sponsoring tribalism.
On president HH of the U-Team, the Tonga bull is a politician who is looking for votes from you and I Zambians. Currently, president HH is an outsider of the MMD and doesn’t know what the MMD GRZ Cabinet has agreed on how to carry out their duties. For this reason, president HH is speaking using the current recorded and stipulated public office rules and regulations as his standpoint on his statements. And so, I respect president HH’s opinion just like I do respect all other people’s opinions on this and other matters.
So, I still support the UPND’s view as presented by president HH and I would have liked the MMD GRZ to have followed laid down procedure which we all know expect inside…
data which the President RB Banda has agreed to be using in the name of Single sourcing by a Minister.
Whatever the case, president HH needs votes and so he has to convince the voters that he is on their side as in trying to promote transparency in the handling of national resources.
However, the only the tribunal to be set up by the Chief Justice or Acting Chief Justice will give us the final and most correct judgement on this Minister Dora Siliya’s issue as it carry out proper investigations into what exactly happened and whether the Minister Dora Siliya was in order when she discharged her duties in that suspicious manner.
Currently, Minister D. Siliya is innocent until proven…
Bank of Zambia (BoZ) has queried DBZ for giving loans to Zambian Airways when the company was insolvent, contrary to bank regulations on large exposures.
According to the newspaper, DBZ allowed Zambian Airways and two other firms to borrow money in breach of the banking and financial services regulations.Meanwhile, past Finance minister Peter Magande is to be subpoened and possibly indicted before a tribunal investigating the ZA “Ponzi deals”.Trails are thusfar showing Magande’s heavy hand through allirregular orders to DBZ that led to illegal loan underwrittings and expropriation of NAC fees in millions of US dollars by an insolvent company.This is against the Banking Act of…
MAGANDE + MMEMBE + NCHITO BROTHERS = RB
Seriously, If Zambian Airways has nothing to hide there is no need for them to panic.Why invite every Jim and Jack to come investigate you. These invited investigators have neither professional competence nor legal standing to carry out a forensic audit. In the end you want to create confusion knowing that there will be different results because so many lay NGOs did the investigation. In any case it’s your creditors who are supposed to call for investigators. By the way ZA is a cash trader. So the fees you collected were cash and all YOU should have done is just get your share and remit the balance to NAC. Same with PAYE, VAT and NAPSA.
viva Fred Mmembe. Teti bakwikate mudala relax. Oza pya munzi
Well, if Fred and his friends are innocent, why should they try to pre-empt investigations by legally established law enforcement agencies? Others whom M’membe has exposed have gone that way, so let Fred and his friends also face the temerity of their actions. If they are innocent, the truth will come out. Let them not draw sympathy from NGO’s who have no mandate to carry out investigations in this country, let them express their innocence when called upon to do so and not now. How objective is it for the shareholders thenselves and not others to claim they are innocent. The Bible says, let another speak for you and not your own mouth.
IF THE EXISTING LEGAL FRAMEWORK AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES HAVE BEEN GOOD FOR OTHERS IN THIS COUNTRY, THEN THEY ARE EQUALLY GOOD FOR FRED AND HIS “INNOCENT” FRIENDS – NO DOUBLE STANDARDS. SINCE WHEN DID NGO’S AND OTHERS EVER GET INVOLVED IN CARRYING OUT INVESTIGATIONS IN THIS COUNTRY? FRED YOU ARE NOW A LAWYER AND SHOULD KNOW BETTER…MY FOOT!!
well said and enough said lawyer wa ma lawyer. Indeed how can an accused investigate himself? Furthermore it is the creditors who have the right to call in auditors and not shareholders. Membe must subject himslef to the same bodies that he has been showering praise on all this time. let him also go before magistrate Chinyama
There are people here propagating the separate legal identity a company has from it’s owner. While this is true, I shallow understanding of company law to ignore the fact that there is lifting of the veil, to determine if company owners abused their power. This is the practice worldwide. Look at Madoff of USA wall street, all these years he deceived people today they have locked him up.
Why fred be a special case, if dora abused are office let the tribunal determine so and not newspaper and some ignorant bloggers. So shall it be so with membe
There are seem to be double standards in Zambia. If a section of society is alleged to have done something NGOCC, CARITAS, TIZ, The Post, Nonde, Paul Mususu, Fr Bwalya, PF etc will be on a field day screaming corruption, even when there is have no truth in it. In 2006 HH asked UPND donors in the US to deposit donation in his account.There were all issues of accountability, Transparency theft etc, Sata did the same there was no comment, Mumbi told us about theft of public funds in PF. Its okay. Somebody raises issues of non remittance of fees, and taxes collected on behalf of Govt, Getting poor people’s deposits from banks as loan and not paying back. Can’t these be investigated?
Great comment. It used to puzzle me why PF cadres world-over fail to notice the POST’s myopic-ness of the Undereducate’s failures, however, I now know that the PF characters do not JUST OVERLOOK available data but are ill-read and at most deceived because they think all that the Undereducate and his Imgebuilders – the POST – write and say in TRUTH.
Very SAD indeed, but 2011, tripartite elections time, iis coming and I hope all Zambians will have opened their eyes to real TRUTH by then.
Too many issues pa Zed, ninshi kanshi so? With a sleepy government in place, Zambia is on auto-pilot and there is scramble for Zambia. Bonse balefilila munsenga!
Fred had it coming, let the post stop the self defence in its editorials and the law has to take its full course in this scandal. If found wanting Mmembe and his friends at airways must be punished by sending them to chimbokaila. Thank God no one is above the law in this country.
Arrest them please?
THE Lusaka High Court has ordered Mine Air Services Limited and Zambian Airways to pay over K12.6 billion to the National Airports Corporation Limited (NACL) in passenger service charges, rentals and other services.
High Court Judge, Prisca Nyambe entered the judgement in default of appearance and defence.
Judge Nyambe ordered Mine Air Services Limited and Zambian Airways to pay US$1,020,788.95 (about K5, 614,334,000) being passenger service charges collected by the companies on behalf of the NACL from passengers in Lusaka, Livingstone, Mfuwe and Ndola International Airport.
This was as at October 29, 2008.
Judge Nyambe also ordered Zambian Airways to pay US$1,033,823.08 (about K5, 686,026,500) to NACL in respect of aeroplane parking, ground handling, air navigation, landing and aeronautical services provided by NACL as at December 29, 2008.
She said this debt had continued to increase in respect of these services and now amounted to US$1,154,371.13 (about K6, 349,040,500) as at January 9, 2009.
If you run a corporation of ZA’s size ur expected to meet statutory obligation, alas our friends had to many contacts which they exploited and in the hope of getting away with it.If they don’t pay their taxes, this amounts to fraud and it is a criminal offence.Take the entire Board to Court , let them account for their Corporate Governance mess up!!!!! whether it be Mbembe or not!
Fred and Mutembo.Here is a piece of advice for you.You don’t play hide and seek with the govt of the day.Keep yourselves in check.The tables have been turned.
let fred and mutembo rot in hell.its their turn to face the law.their boy lpm no longer there to protect them
exactly
Mmembe is in hot soup! His ego has gotten the better of him and his time of reckoning has come. The collapse of Zambian Airways would make an interesting case study as to how a failed business strategy can result in sheer chaos!!!
we need your faces please (gravatars)
ALL THE PLANDER CASES THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE COURTS OF LAW HAVE BEEN AN INITIATIVE OF THE POST. TO YOU PEOPLE WISHING FOR THE CRUSIXION OF THE POST, WISHING YOU GOOD LUK BECAUSE SUCH TIME WILL NEVER COME. BE HONEST TO YOURSELF, WITH THE CORRUPTION STICKING IN GOVT, WHERE DO YOU THINK ZAMBIA WOULD HAVE BEEN WITHOUT THIS PAPER. 42 YOU ARE RIGHT, GOVT OFFICIALS TREMBLE TO ANSWER CALLS FROM THE POST BUT THIS IS NOT THE CASE WITH THOSE FROM ACC OR DEC. SO IF YOU WISH FOR THE POST TO FALL, HUNG BECAUSE THE PAPER IS GETTING STRONGER BY THE DAY.
PUT THEM IN JAIL IF FOUND GUITY AND THROW AWAY THE KEY.
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