Former Chief Justice Mathews Ngulube says the legal immunity availed to the state should not be extended to individuals holding public office.
Justice Ngulube says public officials such as ministers should be made accountable for their actions in the course of their duties.
He told the National Constitutional Commission’s Human Rights Committee in Lusaka, Tuesday that the move can help to enhance good service delivery.
Justice Ngulube was making a presentation about Article 80 which deals with the enforcement of the bill of Rights.
The former Chief Justice also said there is need to avoid a situation where some individuals may abuse the right to institute legal action on behalf of an aggrieved person.
/ZNBC/NEWS
There is no better person to do that
Totally agree,,,,,!!
Ngulube mutundu nshi?
Ngulube is an eastener, what’s the problem. I sense some Bemba Language tribalism here. Why? Please, let his tribalism behaviour end! What we need are Zambians who can deliver intellectually not this behaviour of checking someone’s tribe first before you take him/her seriously.
Grow up!
Sense. Ngulube knows what he is talking about. NCC and Parley, take heed.
This was substance indeed. Ministers should be accountable for their selfish action just like any other politician in govt.
Nice submission.
Good submission mr. justice.
When People like former Chief Justice Mathews Ngulube speak out, there is sense in what they are saying, things that can wake selfish people up so they know that the positions they hold are not for enriching themselves but to serve the Zambian people. Lets hope his submissions will be written in the new consititution. These are wise men who know what they talk about. If only most politicians would think like this.
ba zambian, yes he knows what he is talking about. But do you know what you are talking about, I doubt !
IWE KA MUSONDA YOU SOUND LIKE A TYPICAL BEMBA TRIBALISTS
Very correct no further comments. Opps thanx LT u blockd my page by error i think, now it back
Is this not the same man who got a share of the zamtroop funds?
He has started seeing brightly since he is no longer in the system. Tipical of our Zambian Leaders, they start saying the truth when they are not in GRZ.
Good question?
Just can’t believe what people can do. This Ingulube presided overand condoned a very corrupt government. One Word – HYPOCRIT
I totally agree with you.
But will the greedy NCC delegates agree? They are more interested in protecting their peers
Mathews i totally agree with you.If we look at the hot issue involving Dora Siliya,she is being treated like she has some immunity.Despite her holding office she has to answer to the allegations against her.The fight against corruption in our country wont yield in results if other people are treated as special ones.
In as much as you guys agree to that we should also the benefits or effect of such laws that are targeted on a particular individual so i dont agree with you guys lets not form a rule based on one person its wrong
Well Done Sir.
Mathews is right if we are going to fight corruption but if leaders are going to sweep corrupt practices under their carpets then, this submission will be thrown out by these NCC delegates.
well said chishinka Ngulube but we still remember that you are a beneficiary of zamtroop funds.
Aaaaarrrhhhh……………i thought Ngulube was disgraced man! The man was FTJ mole. He is actually very lucky that the hand of the law was not extended to him.Anyway,he is right about that…………………i mean am just surprised that the man is around & free to appear in public
Justice Ngulube as a beneficiary of Zamtrop money knows the neggative effects of corruption. So NCC implement this wise advice. We know NCC are enjoying taxpayers money and doubt if such submissions can be valued.
Justice Ngulube as a beneficiary of Zamtrop money knows the neggative effects of corruption. So NCC implement this wise advice. We know NCC are enjoying taxpayers money and doubt if such submissions can be valued.
Ok
I forgot about the man who built a hollywood like mansion from chiluba’s money, about $300,000 dollars in 2001. WOOOH! what a world we live in!
When are returning to Zambia to have your day in Court? Didnt you go England to fetch some documents for the task force?
I dont agree with Mathew Ngulube in that its based on the current scandal of Dora Siliya but thats not the right way of coming up with a constituition coz it will not focus on the future but on individuals
Dr Bill, if you have noticed our system of Governance is not focused towards the future. Just look at the same MMD when Levy (RIP) was President, no one saw the need of having a party Vice President, instead everyone was confortable with it.
hey
There are so many serious revelations that are coming.But because the people involved are looked at as sacred cows,nothing is happening in ensuring that people who are mentioned are brought to book. With such wonderfull submittions people like Dora Siliya cant be above the law.We need people who will submitt sensible staff like Mathews Ngulube,for our constitution to be a respected document. Martworld i have missed mwe!
example given Dora Siliya. Thanks Justice Ngulube you are spot on. Mwaninvesa bwino bambo chifukwa ninga tukani na banthu bakuno nobwelelamo kwatu ku Zambia. ndiye nkani iyi mudala. chikokoshi
Iwe Nkeche leta data.How is SA?
Awe bane Ine I have failed to comment on any of today’s headlines I guess the best I can do is to leave the platform for you great thinkers to comment.I will be in a background readind your meaningful comments.
Later.
I absolutely agree with the Major a lot of these people abusing the governmen monies thinks they are untouchables, its an absolute disgrace
Is it you?
Is that you ?
Where has Ngulube been all this time?
Yes, JI totally agree with him. Justice Ngulube was well meaning but was simply smeared of the dirt by Chiluba. I hope they did not withhold his pension, Zambians owe him more than Kafupi tried to smear on him. The man was a very good Chief Justice.
easier said than done
nGULUBE SENSE. Now answer me, U resigned because you were corrupted by FTJ, he gave u slash funds from Zamtrop Account to buy a house and you gave a favarable pertition hearing to support him and levy when mazoka was dribbled. Now have you returned the money nor surrendered the ill gotten House? I missed what you did, now that I know u are alive kindly fill me in.
While we acknowledge and appreciate your genuine democratic submissions,We cannot be shadowed to forget about your past conduct and manipulation o the constitution to the advantage of this clientelistic government.
Ba Ngulube, mwaliikatapo akanono mu FTJ era but no one took away your immunity. Anyway, amano yesa nga wafuma mu govt waya mu opposition. Tekumona bashikulu ba Sata, kwati tebalepepeka abantu nama panga just for being against ka kafupi’s third term madness. Now one would think he’s been for the people all along. Even imwe baTeta na mulongoti, watch out …one day you will also become wise!!
lets talk football now
What the former chief justice M Ngulube is saying at least makes sense
Why did he have to wait until he is retired to make such sensible suggestions?
Boyi Something is wrong with LT. regular blogers missing
Ngulube knows what he is talking about. He is actually talking about the immunity of the President. There is a tendency in the Presidency to commit illegal acts (including corruption) particularly using OP and claim that such acts were committed in interest of the state. This is a line that the Judge is saying should be drawn. Example of this could be mixing Presidents personal funds or that of his political party with that of the state, to protect the President / his political party from blackmail from his dubious contributors. Certainly such an illegal act cannot be in the interest of the State but to protect the money laundering activities of The President as an individual. Such acts can…
I totally agree with our learned collegue Mr Ngulube this submission will help control
monkeys in a maize field like Dora.
Viva Ngulube
How are you Ba Moze
Such acts can there not be covered by immunity. This issue goes further to even cover acts of fraudulent acts of selling Zambian companies under the pretext that was done because of pressure from Donors or order for Donors to release support. Whether there is Donor pressure or not, that is no substitute from following the law in disposal of national assets. This is my understanding of this presentation; I hope NCC understands the logic behind the submission made by this great mind
Okay, bonse you have agreed now, push the NCC to adopt what he said, Chapwa, end of story, lets move on to something else. Mulenashako ukulandalanda, just act.
How is Botswana?Greet everyone pa Area L.
what is new?
Rubish!! This guy brought a lot of disgrace to the credibilty of the judiciary after being implicated in the zamtrop matrix. Imagine the castodian of our justice system being prone to such levels of compromise? What hope does a poor child from whom we borrowed this country have in the future if people like ngulube let FTJ’s injustices happen on their watch let alone participate in it. We are all entitiled to commit crimes apart from those in the justice system. This is the unwritten yet most supreme law in any social justice system. Who shall guard the guards?
I want to inform you that I have stopped blogging on LT. Ask me in confidence. Serious rat smelling !
LT has going to the dogs.
You are right
WE WANT THE OLD LT SITE !!!!. Who doesnt know that gravators are ‘spies; ?
I enoyed the old LT not this one !
Ba LT @ how? from me its bye to all you lovely pipo, but I will certainly be in the background. stay blessed
What rat have you smelt?
Gravators are spies; how
Good point, but we as Zambians also need mechanisms to check the President and his/her Vice President also. So let us not limit this to Ministes and MPs alone. We are all equal despite the positions of offices we hold and let not one be above the law all the time so that we can have proper checks and balances and provide a way for Presidents to resign is they fail to perform.
LT is into heavy censoring, why? My comments are always objective and are now being deleted, are they now championing someone’s agenda?
My advise to LT is; humble yourselves or else you will deem yourselves mundane to what Zambians know we are entitiled to – FREE SPEECH!
No comments,not until the new LT site is back mwee i will forever remain a spectator. Meanwhile hw r u my LT children and members of the extended family?
Zoe , Hi dear ,
i feel the same way too.
If its not broken, dont fix it.
i miss you gal.