President Rupiah Banda has said that Radio Icengelo Manager, Father Frank Bwalya, was a free man to hold a public rally.
Mr Banda, who was responding to a question from a Radio Phoenix Journalist on arrival from Mongu, said government will not interfere with the holding of a public rally by Radio Icengelo Manager, Father Bwalya as he was a Zambian and a free man to a hold public rally.
The President was speaking today at the City Airport shortly after arrival from Mongu, Western Province, where he went to grace this year’s Kuomboka Ceremony.
On Friday, the MMD Ndola district executive warned of bloodshed should Radio Icengelo station manager Fr Frank Bwalya go ahead with his press conference and public meeting in Kitwe.
Meanwhile, President Rupiah Banda has described flooding in Western Province as terrible.
Mr Banda says government has since started devising mechanisms aimed at mitigating the negative impact brought about by flooding in the Western Province of the country.
Mr Banda said government was concerned with the suffering of the people in Western Province and that it was making serious plans to mitigate the impact of floods in the province.
Mr Banda assured his Royal Highness the Litunga of the Lozi people that government is assessing the damage and effects of the floods that have affected over 483,000 people in many parts in Western Province.
President Banda said government will soon start sending supplies to the affected people, 9000 of whom have already benefited.
The President named the most affected districts as Kalabo, Shangombo, Lukulu and some parts of Mongu and Kaoma, where roads, homes, crops and animals have been damaged or destroyed.
And President Banda has described the Kuomboka ceremony as a master piece of oral and intangible cultural heritage for Zambians and the world at large.
The President further thanked the people of Western province for giving him and the MMD the winning votes during the 2008 by-election.
Speaking earlier the Ngambela expressed happiness that the Government and the Barotse Royal Establishment were working well together.
The Ngambela thanked the government for responding to the effects caused by the floods and for the developmental projects being implemented in Western Province, such as the construction of the Mongu-Kalabo road.
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Thats good
which man be dis?
It did’nt require the Mongu Bishop to convince RB to let FB to express his views, which is a consititutional right.
This is what makes our system suck big time. Why does it have to take the head of state to intervene to have things done right. This is a constitution right and the president should not have intervened at all and this Father should not have been threatened. Our institutions should have taken care of this. These cadres who were threatening bloodshed should have police move on them for threatening to violet the freedoms of a fellow Zambia. The Police as usual are sleeping
Be careful of the Catholics- they were part of the genocide in Rwanda and the holacaust in German
Can the police move in and arrest the Ndola thugs who have said they will shed Frank’s blood? The law of the land should be equally and evenly applied. We are watching you. Frank is not alone. An injury to one is an injury to all. Who tells you that we can’t defend ourselves? Not through violence of course, we love peace and cherish the peace Zambia is enjoying.
Does anyone know whey Father Frank Bwalya will be holding a rally.
Happy Easter…what is really the issue what does this man of God want to say.
The Catholics, were the first church annointed by Jesus Christ, and are also responsible for spreading Christianity, so No 5-Undertaker, as careful as you may want to be, a lot of people were killed in the Middle Ages than any time in history, all in the name of converting people to Christianity. Without this episode in history, who knows how long and whether christianity would have been where it is now. King James wanted to be polygamous, the CC refused to bless a second marriage in Church, Being King, he created his own church, from hence came the Anglican (English Church) later on others and now we have all those Christian Churches. The problem in Zambia is lack of Decentralisation. Everything can only be done by the Presido, and now we have a UNIPIST. So by Air is also “COMING SOON…
How are you people? Am new on this site. what are the rules if any?
Why should this Fr Bwalya hold a rally?Why waste people s time and bring business to a standstill.Its easier for him to speak whatever he wants to speak using the radio station or he can air out his views after mass during sunday annoucements.Rallies are a cost to production and time is money
Why indeed should fr. Bwalya hold a rally, i hope this will not be another Nevers mumba, as this is how it started.
# 9 I will put my head on the choping head, The Catholics are the most corrupt priests ask me about about Fr Koma koma the Rusptin of Zambia…….
The Vatican is the most evil organization on earth…..
Can we have have kiing cobra ,in the name of Fr Bwalya be taken to SDA baptismal class ….. to learn respect and intelligence that the king of the Lozi have
zambia sweet mother zambia
love you
#10 TK you are well come to this site. Just give a constructive idea or write your opinion so that we know what you thinking.
i thought roman catholic was a church,
This man of God wants to hold a rally for what? Either he wants to bring confusion in this country or he wants to form a political party and later on vie for the republican presidency. I do agree with Stripper, i think he knows them very well. Remember the genocide in Rwanda and the holacaust in German.
is that so
That is nonsense #9.
#4: The president said that Fr Frank Bwalya is free to hold his rally but the government will also do what it has to do. Get the point? It would be the highest of irresponsibility for any self-respecting government to allow that rascal cum-priest to destroy peace with his un-christian, inflammatory language. You saw what happened last year didn’t you? Forget the cadres and their threats, they probably would not carry out their threat anyway.
The church can mislead,In Angola ,the use of a condoms was discouraged by the church .Sex without condoms would be another genocide.That pope is even Germany.Nazi oh no
#23. sorry but i find yo opinion to be misleading. not germans should be considered as “nazis”. its unfair to say that. even pa zed, not all people ar saints or good.
#22 Woman/ lady/Man from from Lithuania how are you ?……..Thanks for using and blogging under wise man-additional
Free media and freedom of expression. Let the Father do what he wishes. It is the same thing we are practicing here at LT. Free speech. Even a man of God as a right to hold a rally.
who said catholic was the first church anointed by jesus christ! check you data! catholic is an organisation and not a church!!! they influence politics and we all know that! may God deliver them
The fear of thinking is the beginning of doom and coercion under systems is cowardice. The Vatican shall remain the most evil organization on earth…….
For the first time RB saying something sensible by atleast recongnising constitutional rights which every zambian have.Father Bwalya go ahead you have freedom of speech and rights to express your views, dont be threatened by MMD Cadres.
Zambian national is not catholic ….though I respect them ,yes they were banned to use their influence in western province under the disguise of the radio station…….
I wish this Fr Bwalya could just walk away from all this. Zambia has enough problems at the moment. I have a bad feeling about what he is trying to do. Let him try Nyau dancing, he might feel good about himself.lol!
# 7… father bwalya wants to talk about the rights of the Zambians . In short he is the voice of the voiceless. There is so much going on in our country which most people do not know. For example Fr. Bwalya has first hand infomation on the leaging of elections which ushered RB into plot 1. So lets waite and see.
#32 please all associates of the snake should not dissuade the Zambians. 2011 is near by when the young, honest and vibrant will be in leadership ,not the snakes ……
#32 am not a supporter for RB, but i know that fr Bwalya suport Sata. I dont agree with you when you say that he has first hand information on the rigging of the elections. I will ask you two questions: 1. Why wasnt the same infomation not given to Sata when he petitioned? 2. Was Fr Bwalya monitoring the elections countrywide? For your own information he only managed to send monitors in the C.B and could not even dispute the results from Lufwanyama, Masaiti and Kafulafuta.
Zambia is not for catholics , there a lot of us who know the writings of the good book , far much better than the manic priest in the name of bambo bwalya
You evil Catholics ,you tried in western province and failed ,now under the disguise of the snake , king cobra . shall your lot perish in hell ……The controller in heaven save us from the dragon and serpents
This fr Bwalya thinks only catholics from CB who suports Sata are the only catholics in this country. Fellow Zambians lets be carefull with such people like fr bwalya.
?36wiseman-reborn , why say Catholics are evil? I dont dont think you are being fair here.Its not the church that will hold a rally but a Zambian Citizen.
Fr Bwalya sounds sensible, i think his problem is coverage from Fred Mmembe. Pushes his speech to ‘popularity contest’ style……..lest mmembe run out of headlines.
this chap is just campaigning for sata(na)..
Before it was Bembas. Now it is the Catholics. Guys stop smoking that stuff. You tried to kill Mmembe and the post. You failed. Now you want the Catholics to disappear. Who is next on your list?
No# the answer to your question is RB
I meant number 41
#38 Sorry if my posting was rather skewed . It really pains me and on behalf of the illiterate ,poor Zambians whom are used for the fight for presidency , when there can only be one Zambian /male or woman every after 5yrs to become a president…..spare us the mental torture in all forms of disguise , priests name them
FR BWALYA,has got it wrong.it’s no secret that his wars are as a result of his bitterness of the outcome of the last presidential elections.if you heard to the man’s sermons on Radio icengelo you would wonder weather this man is a spiritual leader or a politician masquerading as a priest.it is no secret that he is pro-PF and it’s up to him but when he is advancing his cause using the platfoam of the church then he risks deviding it. Yes during the one party state when our freedoms where trampled on,when even you wanted to cough you had to look behind your shoulder.when we had no voices thats when we needed people like him.
Not now when we can even call the president as cabbage or nyama soya.so Fr bwalya is pushing for nothing other than the PF agenda and he has to be open.he is free
CONTND: So what father bwalya needs to be fighting now are the wrong vices that he and his fellow priests are involved in
he should come out and condemn his friend FR Davies Nsama who only yesterday was charged for wrecking a couples marriage.
Homo sexuality is rampant in the catholic church since time immemorial what is he doing about it.priests are impregnating young girls in parishes and later dump the children is he not aware about it.these are the issues father Bwalya should be addressing thenrest should be left to his icon SATA,HH,MIYANDA or the POST.he has every right as well to talk on issues of National interest but in a well defined role which is priest or polical sympathiser.infact now what we need are more ANTI-AIDS activists than politicians
Akapondo, why are you defining Fr. Bwalya’s role in society? Is he not free to define what he wants to do with his own life? Listen, you might disagree with his politics but you have no right to stop him from being a priest AND a politician. Everyone on this forum who says otherwise is being a “Nazi”. As far as I know, ALL Zambians are free to define themselves and the constitution gives us the right to freely express ourselves. MMD kaponya’s cannot curtail our freedoms by threatening violence. They must be caged together with their instigators.
Nyama soya at it again
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# 32 thanks for trying to clarify although, they just around your clarification
Ba Angel,it’s not me to define Fr Bwalya’s role in society it’s him to define his own role.iam just trying to assist in unmasking who he truly is.he is in the breed of Nevers Mumba in the day iam preaching the word of god in the night iam a politician.and hearing to his rants on his radio which i had an opportunity to.he incites and poor enough he has found a good constituency amongst the hooligans in the copperbelt who understands nothing other than mu bwato.it’s dangerous.let him address the issues i earlier outlined.am catholic and grew up a kampenga.so what am seeing now in the church stinks and it’s people like fr bwalya who need to be reminded that the intergity of the church is at stake and they should urgenly address that than embarking on a silly populism seeking crusade.
us who are close to this so called priest know what is up to. this man is evil and he is making the catholic church look dirt
much as pipo put a lot of negatives on presido Banda,what he has said in this article shud be commended.the next step is for MMD to ensure that they refrain from issuing such threats as bloodshed on other citizens with divergent views.it was really regrettable for C/B MMD to issue such threats. Mr president,that’s the way forward.
Let the snake (sata) and the hypocrites leave Zambia alone , as for you fr bwalya , mission aborted , may you one day perish in hell with your fellow snakes ……
Fr. Bwalya, your church has a bad history. In Rwanda it was involved in the genocide and the holacaust in German. Please stick to the bible, we dont want bloodshed in the country
Robert Mugabe, the bad Zim president, is a CATHOLIC.
Sata (snake ) is a student of Bob ….. in 2006 if he were to win the elections, he wanted the swearing of in -coming commander in chief(Him self) to beheld with pomp at independence stadium and Mugabe the chief guest President , how gullible he thought we Zambians can be…and who had the final laugh?
#15 UNDERTAKER- Dont talk about things you dont understand. The Rwanda thing was perpettrated by Kagame himself. In case you dont follow current affairs, some his people are wanted by the international court,and Kagame is sponsoring Genocide in Eastern Congo. This question was posed to him on Hard Talk and he could only waffle for answers. The question you should ask yourself is why havent the police arrested the MMD chairman who was threatening bloodshed. Bwalya wants to talk about poverty not civil war. Ask your self why should we build a former President a mansion at 7b Kwacha? That man could have easily gotten a loan to build himself a house or where did stay before he became president. This clause was put in by Chiluba to suit himself. These are the things Fr B wants to talk about.
King cobra , king cobra if a poor Zambian were to bitten by a natural snake , there is certainly no anti -venom in Zambia …. Let the belligerent priest talk about this too.
We people if we listen to Pope Benedict to stop using condoms, in these camp meetings we attend, we’l all die of AIDS. By using them we may prolong our physical lives but not spiritual lives.
this so called broke pastors who stand on money. are the 1 calling for son of GOD blood.the good thing about the Catholics there never bought or shaken cause of the faith they have in the Almighty.this tu ntemba type of churches are bitter cause it was them they would been paid and for about the poor and the voiceless.the same people will his radio for help and he will not deny them any thing.no PASTOR speaks for the apart from been paid.we so them during elections doing.VIVA FR BWALYA SPEAK FOR THIS TUMA JEALOUS PEOPLE.
#10 Kasama boy
You are not being realistic to facts, do not misrepresent facts. Your historical misunderstanding needs to re-educated. Do not take one fact to imply the rest. It was actually not King James (wrong no. one, it was King Henry.
Wrong no. two it was not just marrying. He actually marries a widow (brother’s wife who was a niece to the Pope).
The major reason was decentralisation of church administration. Each region should be independent even in terms of surrendering offerings to Rome.
You might have also forgot its theological understanding of Purgatory and the ransom to be paid to the pope for the release of your dead sinful relative.
You have also not mentioned the issue of Priests marrying as a hindrance to the Calling. Any one wanting to be a priest must practice…
# 61 say it in bemba you will be very eloquent and clearer…..
Can someone translate for me what #61 is trying to put across.
This article is typical of the dross we are now getting on this blog. The title of the article seems to indicate that it is about the Father Bwalya saga and yet it only devotes one small paragraph to the issue. It appears as though no one in the journalistic fraternity is capable of asking Nyama Soya any probing questions on contentious issues such as this. Serious threats were made against a Zambian citizen by the president’s party and yet he had remained quiet until somebody asked him about it. I for one would like to know why he had kept quiet all this time. This article is a disgrace.
I was born and still Iam Catholic but on this one Fr Bwalya is completely off-track.The problem is ,he claims to be advancing the cause of the poor but listening to what he propagates on Radio Icengelo, its nothing but PF agendas.Can please the vatican move in and remind the Fr of his role in society instead of promoting anarchy.Yes I do agree with Akapondo,the Fr should also speak of the social ills that has rocked our church:homosexuality,marriage wrecking,pregnancies that result in ever increasing population at Kasisi ophanage etc AND not this cheap PF cause.
Zambia is so satanic that the citizens would rather have Godless people talk on their behalf than a priest or a pastor.When a Priest or Pastor speaks out on the wrongs done to the Zambians by the useless government you call GRZ pagans start crying foul.The only way to effect change in a rotten place like Zambia is to join politics,and dirty politicians know that church men are capable of inciting people power to bring about positive change and they shiver to their born.The end of the MMD will be the beginning of logic in Zambia.
Holocaust is/was a myth. Ask Iranian President. Angela Merkel the German Chancellor knows this too well. She even prosecutes her own nationals who deny it just to please the Zionist influence behind her presidency.
The Bible is full of examples of wild men who can’t stand a man of God addressing multitudes. What are they scared of?
#68 The history of our church id full of allegations.Its hard to deny that the holocaust did not take place.Our church has also been accused in spain for allowing General Franco to massacre the basques separatists despite them being Catholics.This is what happens when the church take sides.So what Fr bwalya is doing is a Recipe for Civil Strife.
the started the genoside in Rwanda these cathoric preasts
FR BWALYA HAS BEEN ROMOVED FROM THE POST OF STATION MANAGER AT RADIO ICENGELO WITH EFFECT FROM THIS MONTHEND.
first thing first Zambians, lets leave what belongs to God to God and Ceaser to Ceaser. Is the rally about God or political issues? Men of God be like christ. Unles it is someting in line of public religiuos. God knows but stick to wha you are called for.
Ba#61 ba beks, mukwai babwekeshepo tatumfwile emo baloseshe.chapala kwati ichisungu mukwai babomfeshe chatukosela ukumfwa.
Iwe # 70 ati Shapu shooter, the true holocaust is taking place in the concentration camps of Gaza and the West Bank. If Indeed it is true the holocaust took place in Germany, why is it being repeated by the victims in this day and age. A day after 1,200 people were masacred in Gaza, Angela Merkel and her blind followers in the name of Sarkozy and other arrogant western leaders were dining with the Isreali PM in full view of the world. Let us sit up and call a spade a spade.
Greetings to you all dear bloggers and Happy easter. Zambia is supposed to be a democratic country in which views from all people are supposed to be entertained as long as it is within the law. Father Frank Bwalya has a right as a Zambian to air his views in whatever form on matters that affect him. Rallies have been held before throughout the country by people to discerminate information to the general population, eg RB, SATA, HH, etc, etc. Those people oppossed to the Father’s rally should stay away to avoid unnecessary confrontation. Nobody is being forced to attend so why the fuss?
Also, can the police arrest and charge the Ndola MMD officials/thugs who are agitating for BLOODSHED – Shame on you. Bamuselela kwakaba- Mutasha kali kwisaya, Bashinga manyela ba swaini.
#61 saziba chizungu. afuna kukamba manje chavuta
You people claim to know the Bible? You dont. When Pilate saw no case against Jesus and was willing to let him go, the Pharesees, the High Priest and the Scribes turned the case POLITICAl by threateninin Pilate that if he did then he was not a friend of Caesar(Rome was the occupying force at that time). You see, you can not wait for Heaven where you have not been and probably will never, without making sure that all is well with your fellow man. If ensuring justice and peace is politics, then the Church cannot run away from politics. I know every is ever waiting for the Catholics to make a wrong step forgetting that they too are humans and ca go wrong but always we want to blow this outa propotion.
I will always respect the Catholics. There are scandles in other churches we go to but never reported. We in other churches we are always holier than thou. In camp meeting/concerts we see condoms all over. Nowander we are always oppose the pope wen against condoms because of hatred inside ourselves. Judgement will not be for churches but individuals. One thing is that u cant have a church not making mistakes for over 2000 years. May the risen Lord guide every individual 2 be humble, loving, joyous and faithful.
Happy Easter.
#77 You deliberately fail to understand the message by #61. By the way no one has said Fr Bwalya is no longer at Ichengelo
#75 Uncle Choncho,I dont really support the israeli actions in Gaza but lets face the truth,are these gazans ready to live with israelis in peace? Who starts the rocket attacks?I have lived with these people and I can tell you that they are too opinionated and brainwashed that they cant change.Israel just reciprocate though its somehow disappropriate.As regard the holocaust memorial,the victims have every right to conduct it so as to remind the world what happened and prevent future recurrence.
Greetings bloggers.
I’m really not in the mood of debating politics on this fine Easter holiday so I’m just reading your comments. Some very good points from knowledgeable bloggers like wiseman-reborn, observer, mwiponta, Akapondo, chitapankwa, Deja vu & mule so far.
what does Bwalya want to say?is it a crusade or political rally?they catholics were involved in the dark ages period and Rwandan genocide.be careful.
#81 SHARP SHOOTER- The Gaza / Israel cas is very complex. The Jews claim (rightly so) that this is their God given land. But the Arabs have also been in Palestine for a long time and were at one time promised protection by the British gvt. However the Jews whose parents had left Palestine more than 200 years earlier started to return to form a new Israel. This was after persecution especially in Germany and the former Soviet Union. You can see that these Palestinians have no where to go and to make matters worse the animosity between these two groups is not only historical but also Bibilical. Its there not going to be easy to solve unless these guys agree on certain things such as the status of Jerusalem and other Holy places within Palestine.
Why do you pipo want to crucify this man before he says anything. If he propagates viollence at his press conference, nail him. And for things like that we have adequate laws …………………
when cardres march without a police permit, its ok but one man expresses his desire to speak his mind and you call for his blood. Come on Zambians!
#85 I do agree with you. Afterall the man applied for a permit. To make matters worse the police seem to get instructions from MMD cadres like that Youth Chairman. I pity them. Lets hear the man. Only cowards fear the unknown while brave men will enter the forest to find out what lies there
Nine Chale, help #10 with the rules. I wud have asked baby C to do it, but its like she be outside coverage area. Oh! did i see Jamaco somewhere here? Anyway welcome miss TK …. bem vindo!( portuguese for welcome)
Why didn’t President RB Banda denounce the words “blooshed if father F. Bwalya …” issued by some MMD characters in Copperbelt? Mr President RB Banda, please correct the wrong thinking of your cadres and help them to use words that help to have a stable NATION.
On “The President further thanked the people of Western province for giving him and the MMD the winning votes during the 2008 by-election”, this was expected and since they helped you win Mr President RB Banda, help them in this flood situation that they are in so that they may help you win again in 2011 should MMD allow you recontest the Zambian Presidency then.
#84 Deja vu.Of course it is complex and I agree with you but the point iam trying to put across is not put the blame on Israelis only and live in denial that there was no holocaust.For these guys to reach the two-state solution,first palestinians have to sort out their owm mess (Fatah and Hamas),then israel can comply with international pressure as they have done before.Laterz
Did you know that there are churches that supported the war in Iraq? but if the catholic had done that, we’re going to call them evil from march 2003 up to I dont know. Hatred, because of what I’m told the church I go to.
Well done Mr President. Let Father Bwalya go ahead with his public rally as his constituitional right. I am sure your statement has shamed those stupid Copperbelt MMD thugs who were baying for Father Bwalya’s blood – that is if at all they have the feeling of shame. But what is the problem with this Father Bwalya? What does he want to address? Is he becoming political or what? He should not take his popularity in church into politics. Nevers Mumba knows what the game of politics can do to the popularity of a preacher. Like someone has put it, there are a lot of issues in the Catholic Church requiring attention. And also why can’t he use Radio Icengelo to broadcast whatever he wants to put across (even after Mass he can do that. To me his actions are now tantamount to becoming political.
#58 Deja Vu. Are your comments on the Rwandan genocide your opinion or you are putting them as facts? Whatever check yourself. The Rwandan genocide was hatched way back during the colonial era when Belgium colonised Rwanda. It was the Belgians who brought about the genocide as they deliberately divided the pipo of Rwanda on ethnic lines. In the beginings they favored the Tutsis but towards independence and thereafter they incited the Hutus to rise against the Tutsis and ensured it remained so for a long time culminating into the 1994 genocide. The other point you should note is that there had been other “genocides” in Rwanda before the 1994 (i.e in 1968, 1973 and 1977). I might miss a year or so but they occured. To me Kagame is ONE OF THOSE who helped put an end to the killings in…
It’s true that Fr Frank Bwalya has been removed from managing Radio Ichengelo as well as being parish priest 4 Ipusukilo-Yatsani Radio confirms
#90 Camp Meeting To specific, the Pentecostals of the USA did support that war fully even quoting the Bible. When President Obama was campaining an old lady was asked how she felt about Obama, she said she was frightened of him since he had a Musilm name(Hussein) forgetting that Barak is also a Hebrew name- or may she did not as I have discovered that many Americans have little knowledge about the outside world geography
I am really getting sick of Banda’s divisive politics. We all know that Bembas and Lozis hardly get along so why should the president say pass such insulting comments about Sata at Kuomboka? I am happy people in the audiance whisled in disapproval, there should be no room for stinking tribalism at cultural ceremonies. It N’cwala, he was there saying he wants “Mushini Wami Zulu” to units Ngunis in Southern Africa while at Kuombola, there he was sowing seeds of division between Lozis and Bembas. This is pathetic!
#87 GaZZie nice to see you around, hope you’re well. I think I’ve seen #10 before and that is why I didn’t bother to help but since you insist, it will be my pleasure to do so:
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I hope he have something to say at Pakusefya and Umutomboko. Pity what politics can do to adecent man.
Deja vu and sharpshooter,guys am realy enjoying your debate.plz tell us more.and can you please educate me.before the founding of the present state of Israel where there jews living side by side with the Arabs in palestine?if no then is it right to insinuate that the Arab-isreali comflict started after zionism the return of the jews to form the state of israel?
These mmd cadres think they know it all.The words produced by the ndola mmd whatever was total nonsense. He was even proud of talking about blood shed. Can the police move in and arrest this man. Father Frank Bwalya is not a coward like most Zambians,he speaks the truth and points out the wrongs by government without fear.Hence this punicking by RB and friends.He is just saying those words for the sake of saying them.But the fact is that he is trying to stop Father Bwalya from holding a press conference.Viva Father Bwalya.
9, Kasama boy, could you please give us evidence to your claim “The Catholics, were the first church annointed by Jesus Christ, and are also responsible for spreading Christianity”.
To the best of my understanding this quoted statement is a lack of knowledge and shows ignorance of the highest order.
The Holy Scriptures give a succinct record of how Jesus Christ established His church and there is no need to try and cheat anyone on here.
On father F. Bwalya and his agenda, I am glad the Catholic church has realised that the man is exposing the his church at a fast rate and has re-deployed him to elsewhere where I hope he shall not confuse Zambians with his PF campaigns with a Catholic church platform. I am happy also that some father or whatever he is in Western Province has…
told the whole Nation that the Catholic church is a not a political party in Zambia but a partner in development for the benefit of all Zambians.
Let the Catholic church start doing the real work of the Lord Jesus Christ if they are serious as opposed to their concentrating on politicians’ job in Zambia.
#97 AKAPONDO: Jews scattered throught out the world including to whats is known to day as Saudi Arabia, During this time Palestine was ruled by Turkey(Musilim) and then by the British. and at that time there were less than 80,000 Jews in that land and more than 1m Arabs/Palestinians. After WW2 the UN decided to devide this land into Arab and Jewish in order to settle the Jews displaced in Europe. The Arabs refused. At one time the British even wanted to establish either Cyprus or Uganda as a Jewish State(1903). This was due to the complexity of the matter. To day other Arab countries do not want Palestinians because of their violent and extremist nature. Maybe this will come to an end at world end.
78 Deja Vu, I like your input “You people claim to know the Bible? You dont. When Pilate saw no case against Jesus and was willing to let him go, the Pharesees, the High Priest and the Scribes turned the case POLITICAl by threateninin Pilate that if he did then he was not a friend of Caesar(Rome was the occupying force at that time).” In Matthew 12 Jesus Christ, my Lord and personal Saviour, is recorded to have said “12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.” after he knew the Pharisees’ thinking.
Cheating will NEVER help anyone.
is this story about the Roman Catholic or Fr. Frank Bwalya? Zambians, it’s high time we started being specific on issues. The Roman Catholic Church is a peace loving congregation and individual catholic members’ ideas or views should not be taken as views of the entire Church. Moreover, each Zambian is a free entity to speak out whenever they feel they need to air their views. We live in a democratic world. So let all Zambians enjoy democracy.
You cannot separate politics from the church. Remember if members of the church are hungry it will be difficult for them to listern and understand the word of God hence the need even for men of God also to get engaged in the affairs that affect the people that they serve. Please guys it is public knowledge that things are not as they should be in our country. I mean not long ago while even Mwanawasa was sick we were buying the dollar at 3200 now check the current exchange rate, yeah i thought so! How about tens of thousands of people who have lost jobs in country especially on the copperbelt? What has government done done to mitigate all these? Indaba PLEAAAAAAAAAAAZ!
MMD executives in Ndola are threatening bloodshed and the president of the republic says nothing. Who is running the country, party thugs with appetite for violence or an elected government? The rubber stamp police chief, charged with keeping law and order, also stays silent. You guys are amazing.
103, Kabusha, greetings. Your “You cannot separate politics from the church. Remember if members of the church are hungry it will be difficult for them to listern and understand the word of God hence the need even for men of God also to get engaged in the affairs that affect the people that they serve.” is misplaced and out of line with God’s Will.
Did Jesus Christ engage in politics when he fed the hungry with fish and bread?
The Holy Scriptures are clear for any person who seeks to learn from the good Lord God on politics are separate from Godly issues and this is shown in the statement by Jesus Christ “Matthew 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s. “
Fr. Bwalya removed from Radio Ichengelo
Radio Icengelo station manger, Father Frank Bwalya will step down as station manger at the end of the month.
Fr Bwalya announced on Radio Icengelo Sunday morning that he had received a letter from the Catholic authorities re-deploying him elsewhere, according
Frank Bwalya in the middle wearing jacket and blue tshirt
Frank Bwalya in the middle wearing jacket and blue tshirt
to the Times of Zambia
The priest also announced that the Bemba programme he presented ‘ Uleta pabwingi tonaula,’ would be phased out.
He said it was normal for a priest to be removed and assigned other duties.
Fr Bwalya clarified that he was not fired as priest but removed as station manager of the Catholic community radio station.
When contacted for…
#99 Maestro Heh.. This year the Catholic Bishops are meeting in Rome for the 2nd African Synod to discuss the Social and Economical Justice. They will not discuss only Spiritual Matters for man can not feed worship alone. This Church Social Teachings are not against the MMD; they started in 1953 against the injustices against the Natives by the Whites.If these injustices are still present then they must be challenged. As for the Catholic being the 1st Church I can only add that in 1054 the first break away from the Catholic Church was affected by the Orthodox to be followed 500 years later by the Protestants. You can judge for yoursel. But refer to Peters spreading the word from Palestine to the rest of Medeteranean lands especially Rome and Emporor Alexander
Jews are useless stiffy nicked people for nothing,just because the have western support they think the are safe,now they are next to feel the hot Gamma rays of a nuck.
FB has freedom of expresion thats, democracy zambia
“I am unable to say anything to the media now from where I am, just try to understand.”
Recently, the Catholic priest has been announcing that he would be holding a media briefing at Garden Park Stadium in Kitwe, but police advised him not to go ahead as security was not guaranteed.
But President Rupiah Banda late Sunday said Father Frank Bwalya, was a free man to hold a public rally.
Mr Banda, who was responding to a question from a Radio Phoenix Journalist on arrival from Mongu, said government will not interfere with the holding of a public rally by Radio Icengelo Manager, Father Bwalya as he was a Zambian and a free man to a hold public rally.
The President was speaking today at the City Airport shortly after arrival from Mongu, Western Province, where he went to…
I am just wondering what is the better between entertaining the warning of BLOODSHED by MMD CB party cadres or the sending of MMD Thugs to machete fellow Zambian in Lusaka’s Chawama compound? Who acted responsibly between the FORMER PRESIDENT Chiluba MMD and this PRESIDENT RB BANDA one in times of trouble by the MMD in our great Country Zambia?
How I hope Zambian voters will vote wisely in the upcoming 2011 tripartite elections especially the Presidential election.
The goodness about the Catholic Church is that they don’t just talk about some of these things but also lead by example. Can some of you critical bloggers of the catholic church challenge me if there is another church or institution other than GRZ that has contributed so immensely to advance the cause of social needs of our less fortunate individuals of our society in Zambia than the catholic church. I can talk about some of these services in the health, education,economic and governance sectors. Even as i blog the Catholic Church continue to top in producing good grades at grade 9 and 12 final exams because of high quality educational services that they provide. So please let Fr. Bwalya advance the cause of many poor people in the best way he knows how unlike restricting him to the…
107, Deja Vu, greetings and thank you very much. On your “As for the Catholic being the 1st Church I can only add that in 1054 the first break away from the Catholic Church was affected by the Orthodox to be followed 500 years later by the Protestants. You can judge for yoursel. But refer to Peters spreading the word from Palestine to the rest of Medeteranean lands especially Rome and Emporor Alexander” when exactly was the Catholic church formed?
Was Peter a Catholic chrsitian? Did Peter worship God, our Creator, on Sunday? Or are you referring to another Peter who as not the disciple of Jesus Christ?
Maestro Lelo muli mu mood iya ku blogger ka?
111, Kabusha, PLEASE respond to my question on 105 for you. On your “Can some of you critical bloggers of the catholic church challenge me if there is another church or institution other than GRZ that has contributed so immensely to advance the cause of social needs of our less fortunate individuals of our society in Zambia than the catholic church.” just read and/or listen to news and you will find out for yourself.
On “So please let Fr. Bwalya advance the cause of many poor people in the best way he knows how unlike restricting him to the…”, let father Bwalya do what he has to do and President RB Banda has cleared the impeding problem by his statements attributed to him in the Article above. So, I am personally wishing father Bwalya all the best in his endeavours as a Zambian.
I’ve always thought the catholics have been doing Jesus’ work. The problem with most of us is that we are shallow minded and tend to think doing his work only involve standing on the pulpit. It’s more than that.
The MMD cadre who threatened Fr Bwalya, Alex “Shimpundu Pankoloko” Mubanga was fired from Chiluba’s security team because he ate Chiluba’s rabbit which was hit by the former president’s car and it was picked so that the man could eat it later. But when they got to Kabulonga, Mubanga was quick to cook the kalulu without Chiluba’s knowledge and consent. At that point he was kicked out and went back to Ndola where he had problems paying his rent at his Bonano flats near the airport. This man is not very normal. I think Antoneill Mutentwa should move in and arrest him for threatening violence.
Some one out there educate me why as to why the police is not dealing with Cadres calling on Father Bwalya’s blood should he go ahead with his press conference…. Its very unfair that even the president has decided to remain mute on this matter! Its high time he taught his cadres how to behave! again i somehow dont blame because he is a chief cadre!
113, yes brother Chewe the Virgin, how is the USA? On the blogging mood, no I am not as I have a lot of work. However, I can not sit quietly when people are trying to cheat other Zambians or indeed world citizens.
The Holy Bible and history books are available to show that the church of God, our Creator, has been there before the Roman Catholics can on the scene. In fact, the Catholics tried to kill those who followed God in truth and in Spirit and when their agenda failed, they joined the church, but brought Babylonian wrong practices in the church. Because of their change of the Sabbath from Sunday to Sunday citing that Christians must not follow Jews (321 AD issues), most of the world has been confused about the Holy Sabbath of God. But thank God, the true church exists todate.
Rubbish. I wish some of you really had relatives who experienced the Holocaust. Be careful most of you may face the wrath. Ignorance is all it takes.
Baby C!
#Maestro Heh…The Catholics regard Peter as their 1st Pope reining from 42-64 AD and was succeded by St Linus who reigned up to 79 AD. The formation of the Catholic Church can be attributed to its base being in Rome and being a Roman Emperor(313AD). The Church adopted a lot of Roman habits such as organization. In short the Christians in Rome sort of took charge and declared their congregation Universal(Catholic). Like I said you can judge for yourself. But mind you at that time there was no truly organized church even Judaism was only confined to circumsised Jews until this Roman phenominal surfaced.
Maestro hehhehehe! how are you? now tell me…. why is father Bwalya holding a press conference? i dont seem to understand why.
#BABY C. The whole thing started when a former driver at Radio Icengelo reported Fr Bwalya to Labour Office that he had not been paid his terminal dues. The officers managed to see Fr. who explained that the contract said the Driver had to put in 3 months notice which he apparently didnt do when he found a job with the mines. The question was that why did the Labour Office respond so fast when it has failed to 10s of cases involving some companies failure to pay their former employees. The excuse has been lack of transport, but on this one transport was available. No Fr may have concluded that the chap was a set up by some one w ho wanted to scandalise the Station. Its at this meeting that he could have planned to mention these companies which are owned by some prominent people. May be
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Can someone tell me how and when the SDA started. What does the word catholic mean before we become blinded with hatred. Why did Mazoka convert to catholic.
“Ladies first” – unknown.
122 Baby C thanks,I am all fine and how are you doing? On “why is father Bwalya holding a press conference?” all I can guess is that he wants to address PF cadres on some issues to denounce the President RB Banda GRZ which he has been negatively critical of since our good President RB BANDA assumed office last year by seriously beating the Undereducate in the 30th October 2008 elections. My guess may be very misplaced and so, let us wait and see what father Bwalya will exactly say when he will address people at his would-be rally in Kitwe as President RB BANDA has given him chance to go ahead and hold the rally.
What I like about this Catholic father is that the 2011 elections will be held under normal media coverage in as the Catholics have relocated…
124 Limbani !!
Great Site. Just been there
#112 Maestro yes peter worshiped God on Sunday and every other day i believe.God is to be worshiped everyday in our lives monday tuesday wednesday thursday friday saturday sunday , its not by works that you will enter the kingdom of heaven it is through christ, christians we focus more on physical things than on God himself that sometimes we miss the mark, God looks at the heart. Jesus said, “i am the way the truth and the light and no one comes to the father but through me” the way we live our lives and keep commandments of God speaks of our reverence, respect and love for God. Lest some think that what they do shall get them into heaven.
121 Deja Vu thanks fro categorically stating “Like I said you can judge for yourself” on your “The Catholics regard Peter as their 1st Pope reining from 42-64 AD and was succeded by St Linus who reigned up to 79 AD. The formation of the Catholic Church can be attributed to its base being in Rome and being a Roman Emperor(313AD)”.
Anyway, so the Caeser Jesus Christ was referring to was not a POPE but an Emperor! Good. Also, ” Peter as their 1st Pope reining from 42-64 AD” is really interesting and I leave it to all to research on the truth. However, ” The formation of the Catholic Church can be attributed to its base being in Rome and being a Roman Emperor(313AD)” is close to reality instead of plain lies in daylight or even in the night.
Zulu 83, welcome back. I missed you and was beginning to wrongly think you become “1984”. Have a blessed day.
#123- Deja Vu and Maestro hehhhheehhhheeeeeehhhhhe! Thanx a million for that infor….
#125 Camp Meeting- Catholic means UNIVERSAL. and the SDA was formed by one W. Miller in 1844 and Predicted the 2nd COMING would take place in March 1844. Other wise they base their teachings entirely on the Holy Scriptures
THE CHRISTIANITY OF TODAY IS THAT OF SELF-HELP AND PREACH, CONVERT AND BAPTISE AND proclaim that henceforth people will go to heaven. how many times to preachers personally follow up on christians who have recently become so?in fact these days preachers use either fear or make up promises to people for them to become christian, in the early church the apostles told of the works of Jesus and encouraged people and people desired to become like christ, now it’s just so that we can count…today 14 pipo have been baptised…how many of those truly understand what it is to walk in christ? christianity these days is shallow and full of pipo hoping to go to heaven disregarding all other human needs a person is begging for food n u preach to him….takwaba even Jesus took bread n fishes
125 Camp meeting on your “Can someone tell me how and when the SDA started. What does the word catholic mean before we become blinded with hatred. Why did Mazoka convert to catholic.” the SDA church was formed after men lead by the good Lord God studied the Holy Scriptures nicely and understood them according to the prophesies of Daniel and was formerly organised into a church in 1860 to 1863.
the was catholic means ‘universal’ and I will speculate to you that a few SDA church members also considered naming it the Adventist catholic church because of its being based through out the whole world.
On Mr Anderson Mazoka leaving the SDA, the best persons to give you a credible answer are his still living wife Mrs Mutinta Mazoka and family. 2006 would-be votes might have been at play…
131 Baby C you are welcome.
132 Deja Vu, your “the SDA was formed by one W. Miller in 1844 and Predicted the 2nd COMING would take place in March 1844” is wrong completely. Please do more research on the SDA church. Your “Other wise they base their teachings entirely on the Holy Scriptures” on the SDA church is however very correct.
#133 Mukwa Dont worry. No one can go to Heaven using a short cut- just like ignoring traffic can lead to accidents, ignoring the basic things such as humility, giving alms, loving one’s neighbour and honesty will result in a trip to hell. Good day I have a train to catch——see you ‘morrow
128 Mukwa ginger Brandy on your “#112 Maestro yes peter worshiped God on Sunday and every other day i believe.God is to be worshiped everyday in our lives monday tuesday wednesday thursday friday saturday sunday” you are right and I think I did not frame my question fully on 112. So, I will re-phrase it for you as:
Did Peter, the disciple of Jesus Christ, worship on Sunday as a Sabbath day to him and God, his Creator?
On the rest of your writings, will give you Ezekiel 20: 20 ” And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God”. In John 14:15 Jesus Christ is recorded as having said “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” See also Revelation 12:17 and 14:12. It isabout doing God’s Will as expressed in Ecclesiastes…
Maestro to answer your question i wolud frankly say on the basis of it all nauwina mudala and the scripture that you quoted is point on and would not argue with it. However, i can only wish to remind you that the term politics goes beyond the mere politicking that we see our country and other places. It transends the borders of belonging to a political party or being a president. Further, the constitution which we consider to be the supreme law of the land guarantees rights for Fr. Bwalya to do what is planning to do unlike being restricted to the pulpit. I guess i also need to come to Zambia and hold a press conference on how to conduct clean elections like in the USA. imagine where over 100 million votes were casted and results where known within 24hrs time. tell me about Zambia?
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… 12:13 which reads “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man”. James 2:10 “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all” sums it all in terms if ignoring the law of God. The consequences can be read from Revelation 14, particularly verses 6 to 11 has great news.
The truth CHURCH of God started with Adam and will continue with “Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.”
Have a blessed day.
If you want to see how people get annoyed to the point of no surrender,then touch Father Frank Bwalya.Am ready to walk from here to Zambia.Leave Father Bwalya alone.
140 Kabusha thanks very much. On “I guess i also need to come to Zambia and hold a press conference on how to conduct clean elections like in the USA. imagine where over 100 million votes were casted and results where known within 24hrs time. tell me about Zambia?” great stuff and this is the only way we will develop Zambia.
Let us share our experiences with our fellow Zambians at home so that we can improve transparency in the way we conduct our politics at home. However, let us not hide in the church’s activities and facilities in doing our personal agendas as Zambian Citizens. In fact, such practice and behaviour of using the church for our citizenship political and non-church activities is ABUSE OF CHURCH OFFICE.
Have a great day and keep well. I will now continue studing.
Very interesting topic, Like somebody said Frank has the constitutional right to express his views, secondly it doesn’t have to be the president Banda to intervene in such standoff’s. We have institutions that can handle such matters. But again why do we let ruly caders take control of our system. This is pathetipeople!
He is not a hero though.he should take some lessons from fr miha or fr umberto as to when and how to engage politicians and as to which are soft spots to hit them hard.
With every single day that passes, and every time he opens his mouth, this man shows how inept he is as a leader and how he has absolutely no control over anything both in his government and his party. For one thing, he is forever reacting to situations, never initiating anything himself! First, his minions jerk-off all they want before he steps in — after the damage has already been done by his attack dogs. What kind of president is this that only responds to a situation only when it already too late to have any meaningful impact? He seems to wait to see which way his attack dogs will go before he says or does anything!
CONT’D…Is he saying he is the only one in his collapsing MMD party and government who knows that Fr. Bwalya is free to exercise his freedom of speech? For if this were not the case, he wouldn’t have waited until he was asked state the position he stated in Mongu which totally contradicts the events as well as the evidence on the ground. If not, how come all his attack dogs, including the Inspector-General of Police keep on doing and saying the opposite? This IG (for Ignorant-General) is taking us backwards with his ass-licking blind loyalty that selectively enforces the law!
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Satanists will not The Man of GOD rise above fear and intimidation for the sake of Mankind in Zambia. Guys do not be suprised the evil men of the land will go out of thier way to stop a well meaning Man if GOD from talking for the underprivilaged. They will surely rise up with flames of fire from their mouths with double edged swords to bring about confusion and blame Father Bwalya and ME.
Shani mwe ma Joza Na mwe misepela. Ba namayo nabi shitata ine nine mwishikulu wenu
ba RB baletukelnka fye.
Njipusheko, bushe anyone knows ka website apeba nsansa sha Mushimbe?
nanaka nshikwete ka gelo. Ndefwaya ukwangala muchipinda Neka ine
Why did you do this to me, when you knew I would have done anything for you, when you knew that all my dreams, wishes and hopes surrounded you, when you knew that not having you in my life would instantly kill my heart? I’m all shattered and everything I see is blue. But I know I can’t change your mind and more importantly, I can’t change what you feel in your heart, so all I can ask you is, why?
The Padre, like any other citizen in a demcracy, has the right to advance his opinion. Like #76 says, those who do not like his message should just stay away. A lot of people are behaving like latter day Pharisees and Teachers of the law, by-words for intolerance and persecution. When are African going to get civilized?
#25: And what is the bill for blogging under your brand?
Anyhow the serpent priest is dead and buried now. We shall see a few last kicks and then we will get on with our lives.
No. 51: stop pointing out the faults of others because your infidelity will also be made known. You give us the example of Nsama, it is not something new!!! it can happen to anyone and don’t take yourself as an angel without blemish or corruption in your personal life. please understand that they are more committed priests than the less committed. there are very very very few priests who are not committed. Just like you, you are not the best of all marriage couples. There are some who are doing better than you but they don’t condemn you… stop making illogical conclusions: all priests are not committed, or there is a crisis in the church. That is non-sense!!!
Maestro…you are too young and inadequate to argue with the catholic church… Dont think that that the papacy began with the construction of Rome! It started long time before that. Peter being the First to receive the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven and to be the leader of the Apostles and Church. This was long before Constantine declared Christianity as Official Religion. Several popes had reigned and died. St. Peter died 67AD; St. Linus 67-76AD; St. Cletus 76-88AD; Clement 88-97AD; Evaristus 97-105AD; Alexander 105-115; Sixtus I 115-125; Telesphorus 125-136AD. the pope who reigned in 313Ad was Miltiades 311-314AD during his reign Constantine after his vision issued a decree of tolerance for Christian faith and then Miltidates constructed Basilica of St. John the Lateran. OKEY.
Well done Fr. Frank Bwalya, i really admire your courage. Zambia is a Christian nation so the clergy have a say in the way these stubborn politicians are governing the country. When will we ever learn to respect other people’s views or rights. May the responsible IG of the police arrest that ignoramus cadre who is advocating for bloodshed once the priest goes ahead with the press briefing. VIVA FR. BWALYA
#137 Maestro Heh. No need to research. The SDA was originally known as the Millerites and was headed by J. Bates with James and Ellen White and not until 1863 the organization was not called SDA. They observe Saturday as the Sabbath. Unless you know more this should tell you when SDA came into being.
157 Deja Vu thanks but “The SDA was originally known as the Millerites and was headed by J. Bates with James and Ellen White and not until 1863 the organization was not called SDA” alone shows that you point is wrong and inadequate. The is no way the SDA Church would have had a different name it is simply the SDA and non other.
Of course William Miller who studied the whole Holy Bible for about 5 years and dedicated 2 more years after that to understand Daniel 8:14 “And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed” between 1815 and 1822 which led to prophesying that Jesus would come in 1844 was the initial point of people studying the Bible in depth to get the TRUTH. But W. Miller was NEVER an SDA member.
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The people who agreed with W. Miller’s teaching were indeed called Millerites and some of them could have become SDAs in the future. But the TRUTH is that W. Miller had nothing to do with him forming the SDA church. This is why I asked you to do more research instead of trying to cheat people on the Internet. Therefore, I ask you to reconsider you position on “#137 Maestro Heh. No need to research. The SDA was originally known as the Millerites and was headed by J. Bates with James and Ellen White and not until 1863 the organization was not called SDA. They observe Saturday as the Sabbath. Unless you know more this should tell you when SDA came into being”. By the way wikipedia might help you with more details than what you summarised probably from it above.
155 simple man greetings. Your “Peter being the First to receive the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven and to be the leader of the Apostles and Church” leaves much to be desired. You take a part of Matthew 16 to justify your interesting claims from:
Matthew 16 + KJV Bible
16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
160 continued.
16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
Now, be honest with yourself chief and consider about the Caeser in Jesus Christ’s time on Earth. What was new from Caeser as a Roman Emperor to Peter, Jesus Christ’s disciple, as a first POPE of Rome or Roman Catholic church or whatever you cal it?
Now, Jesus Christ is recorded in Matthew 24 to have warned his disciples of the destruction of Jerusalem that later on happened in 70 AD at the hands of the Romans whom you claim were under Peter as their POPE, according to your claim “Several popes had reigned and died. St. Peter died 67AD; St. Linus 67-76AD; St. Cletus 76-88AD; Clement 88-97AD; Evaristus 97-105AD; Alexander 105-115; Sixtus I 115-125; Telesphorus 125-136AD”, just a few years before the destruction.
What was Peter’s role as a POPE (St. Peter died 67AD), and his so-called successor “St. Linus 67-76AD”, in Rome’s destroying Jerusalem against the instructions of Jesus Chirst as recorded in the following:
Matthew 24 + KJV Bible
24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Yes I may be young but I ….
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… but I can NEVER be cheated easily 155 simple man following your “Maestro…you are too young and inadequate to argue with the catholic church… Dont think that that the papacy began with the construction of Rome!”.
To this end, I urge you to come up with more formidable details of when the Roman Catholic church was formed and who exactly was the first POPE. As of Peter the real disciple of Jesus Christ, un-corrupted recorded history indicates that he was no where near being a POPE at Rome or for the Roman Catholic church – at least according to what I have read thus far. There provide more details and let us see if you can convince me on your inadequate claims. All the very best in your would-be attempts to justify the clearly unjustifiable due to inconsistence.
Maestro Heh. I think we have a problem here. It appears you want to force me to say the SDA was there from the start of Christianity? Ask yourself why should even be torturing ourselves arguing over these “alien” cultures. I tell if Muhammed’s Hejira had reached this part bof the world we would all be Musilims arguing about Suni and Shiihite… in short we have no culture just like a dead leaf in the river.
165 Deja Vu on your “Maestro Heh. I think we have a problem here. It appears you want to force me to say the SDA was there from the start of Christianity?” I thought I was clear that the SDA church was formed in 1863 formally. My argument is that William Miller did not form the SDA church and this must be clearly simple to understand. William Miller was never an SDA church member in his life time according to available records.
So, this is not about “Ask yourself why should even be torturing ourselves arguing over these “alien” cultures. I tell if Muhammed’s Hejira had reached this part bof the world we would all be Musilims arguing about Suni and Shiihite… in short we have no culture just like a dead leaf in the river.”, but about accepting truth and not anything that comes…
There will be bloodshed….hmmm, ??? Is he allowed to make threats like that..so much for a leader! Shame!