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FORMER Communications and Transport minister Dora Siliya
FORMER Communications and Transport minister Dora Siliya

FORMER Communications and Transport minister Dora Siliya will seek judicial review over the Dennis Chirwa tribunal pronouncement that she breached the Republican Constitution because that was beyond its mandate.

Ms Siliya said in Lusaka yesterday that the findings of the tribunal that she breached Article 54 (3) of the Constitution by failing to heed the attorney-general’s advice was never levelled against her as an allegation.

Ms Siliya, who stepped down as Cabinet minister on Tuesday, said she never had an opportunity to rebut the claim that she breached the Constitution in the manner she defended herself of the other allegations during the tribunal sittings.

“It is my considered view that the honourable tribunal exceeded its limit when it purported to pronounce itself on the legal status of the Attorney General’s advice.

“I have since sought the advice of my lawyers and, hence, intend to institute judicial review proceedings to address the propriety of this finding,” Mr Siliya said.

She was, however, grateful to the tribunal for establishing that she did not breach the Parliamentary and Ministerial Code of Conduct Act on all the allegations levelled against her.

“This finding clearly demonstrates that in the execution of my duties as minister and member of Parliament (MP), I did not gain any pecuniary advantage or convey the same to any other person,” she said.

Ms Siliya, who is Petauke MP, said the findings also confirmed that she did not abuse her office as minister and MP.

She said her decision to resign was not in any way intended to lend credence to allegations and innuendos suggesting wrong-doing on her part but to bring to an end a malicious campaign that had distracted the nation from productive activities.

She urged Zambians to re-focus their energies on addressing the economic challenges facing the country and thanked the people of Petauke for standing by her.

Ms Siliya reiterated that she never committed the Government to a US$2 million contract for the evaluation of Zamtel assets as stated in the statement that she issued in Parliament which was prepared with her ministry staff and the solicitor-general.

She said the evaluation of Zamtel assets was an initiative of the Ministry of Communications and Transport in an effort to assess the problems at the company.

“The consultancy costs for the evaluation as explained to Parliament and approved in the 2009 budget do not exceed US$50,000. This was again repeated by his honour the vice-president in which the solicitor-general personally again played a big role in drafting,” she said.

Ms Siliya said the $2 million was merely an expression of interest or quotation by the evaluation consultants as transaction advisor if the Government made the decision to sell.

And Chief Government spokesperson, Ronnie Shikapwasha said in an interview in Lusaka yesterday that the debate on whether Ms Siliya should vacate her parliamentary seat or not should be guided by the outcome of the tribunal.

Lusaka lawyer, Abraham Mwansa, who is the convener of the Law Association of Zambia human rights committee, said the tribunal should have recommended specific measures for President Rupiah Banda to take instead of making general recommendations.

“I personally feel the tribunal should not have left the issue to politicians. It should have made specific recommendations to the president with specific measures for him to take,” Mr Mwansa said.

[Times of Zambia ]

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199 COMMENTS

  2. Oh Please Dora..isnt a bit too late..Why did you resign if you still think you innocent… Save us the aftermath booo

  4. But Dora, the president has not even reacted to the tribunal findings. By judicial review, are you taking the tribunal to court? May I be enlightened here.

  7. She looks great on the pic! Ok dora,its your constitutional right to explore all the legal avenues to clear your name if you feel the tribunal vindicated you as along as you are innocent and not the opposite.I wish you success Dora. I like you as an intellectual but its hard to side with you especilly with such serious allegations.Remember,there will always be people to pull you down but since you were cleared of parliamentary misconduct,those who called for your resignation as an MP should now direct their energies on your newly mounted fight to clear your name.Once again, I wish you success.

  13. just shut up, judicial review for what? why shouldn’t the judges point the wrong when it sits right in front of their noses. rupiah is a hypocrite! where does Dora find the confidence before the president has given his stand clearly, some shu shu games. we are watching sharply!

  14. ba Dora yahsani iyo,You are the one who should be refocusing your energies on working on your integrity,so that may be someday we may consider you for another job in govt us the people,otherwise while we appreciate that its you right to seek judicial review, you now are wasting our time by you starting another fight.we are tired of you in the news.we need to move forward and look at other issues.

  16. I am not a lawyer but I noted this before. It is like the case of Kambarage Kaunda who was charged with manslaughter but the court found him guilty of murder. The tribunal was to rule on the lesser charges but instead delivered a judgment which was irrelevant to what the complaint was all about. I am disappointed that our learned judges can so lamentably fail to discharge their duty within the mandate they were given. I am totally opposed to corruption but I think Ms Siliya has been dealt an unfair hand. They wanted to protect the office of the AG but his advice is NOT law. Otherwise we could not sue the AG.

  18. I have just downloaded the tribunal report on Dora Siliya from the UKZAMBIANS website. It is about 108 pages.

    I think we should let Dora practice her rights and defend her name. She has every right to do so. Some people are just hateful especially considering some of you prejudged Dora even before the tribunal report came out.

    It would be interesting to see if you’ll accept the results, should Dora win this second development.

  19. YANGU UYU MUKASHANA.You breached the constitution,period.Everything lies bare for all to see.Ala bu minister bwali lowa atini bane nagula ni bu MP ubwacila ukulowa

  22. In the US, the CIA tortured detainees at Guantanamo Bay on the basis of legal advice given by the AG. In UK, Tony Blair’s war against Saddam is being questioned as to its legality because no one knows the exact advise the AG gave the government. In this saga, the person who should be punished is the one who leaked Malila’s advice to the press. President Mwanawas made it clear when he appointed Malila that his advice is ONLY advice to a client and it is not law. The lawyer/client relationship should always remain confidential.

  23. I would just like to let everyone know that I will be changing my username from FREE-MARKET-CAPITALIST to FREE-MARKET-ECONOMIST.

  25. RB saw no way out so he advised to resign and go this Judicial whatever so that there may be out for them out of this quagmire. They are cheating themselves especially ka lawyer Mwansa.

  26. As a human being when you have publicly being found to be in the wrong its best to accept and to keep quiet and turn a new leaf. This smells of arrogance.

  27. Dora Dora Dora Dora Dora Dora Dora Dora Dora Dora pilishi nakupapata wemukashana..may God deliver you.u really need a deliverance.
    find a real job….try something else pela..

  28. Let her go ahead without undue criticism and pursue her constitutional rights. What it also does for the the good of the country is it defines the do’s and donts or precedents. IWhat is not clear is what she wants to seek judicial review for. Is it aginst the fact that she was found to have breached the constitution ?or the right of the the tribunal to find her guilty owithout her having the recourse to the natural laws of justice (the right to be heard). Whichever way the outcome will help us esablish what our politicians can and cant do under the law and what defects in the law that we have to attend to

  29. Most of you chaps blogging are empty heads! Dora is very right the tribunal went beyond it mandate. Besides, the consistution does not say that the advice from the attoney general is binding it should just be sort period! what one does with the advice is up to him/her. Dora did seek the advice but may not have agreed with it. that does not amount to an offence at law. you chaps should make educted analysis other than just ranting empty talk!

  31. #30 …
    in hindsight i agree with u.let her tell us .Dora repent all ur sins and twebe fyonse na bonse ushimbule….shimbula mwaiche endesha…this govt needs to be purged.

  32. If she is seeking Judicial review, she should then keep quiet other than just yapping around any how. Who is she trying to convince that she innocent? We all know know what has happened. If she wants to speak out, let her do that through her useless lawyers who are defending her. Why should she find what she is reaping to be so bitter when it was so sweet when she was sowing it? “What goes around comes around my friend”. Learn from that.

  33. To some people on this blog, no one is right who they are not personally acquainted with. There is also a lot of cynicism against our leaders. I do not know whether this is out of envy or disrespect. We need to be objective.

  36. ONLY ONE INFERENCE CAN BE MADE HERE,DORA WAS FORCED TO RESIGN,NOW SHE WANTS TO SAVE HER NECK.YABA,YALULA NKANI.HONESTLY YU CAN’T RESIGN ON MORAL GROUNDS AND START CHALLENGING TRIBUNAL RTECOMs.TUZASILA TUNDALAMA BA DORA THRU LEGAL BILLS ,…KAYA!

  39. Here we go again.. … I thought people could now at least talk about something else. Because that’s all that happens pa Zed, talking.

  40. Nakupapata eeeh…. ine ne wimba
    Shibwelela ku ng’anda bakaye kupyanika
    Uli ne chiwa pamubili iwe we mwanakashi
    Ukepaisha abengi

    Waikala ikala lufyanya, lufyanya…..
    We chanakashi cha mupamba……cha mupamba…..
    Waikala ikala beniza……….

  41. THE SAINT

    how are you. On the contrary, capitalism has not failed. This crisis was not caused by capitalism, it was caused by the lack of capitalism.

    It is just that a while back, I had a conversation with an intelligent blogger who suggested to me that free-market and capitalism is pretty much the same thing and so having both in a name is kind of counter-productive.

    I have decided to take up his advice. It was either free-market-economist or free-market-extremist. I went with the first one.

  42. No human being is infallible. Even ourt courts make mistakes. Many an innocent man has been sent to prison and even to the gallows by courts of law. The judges and tribunals act on the basis of the ‘facts’ before them. However, these learned men misled themselvews by concluding something that was not on the charge sheet! It is a simple law in natural justice, that you answer to what is on the charge sheet! Ms Siliya has every right to clear her name, even if she is not going to be a minister or MP. To go on with the charge that she is the one who breached the constitution is serious and she must be allowed to defend herself on that charge.

  43. #29 Thandiwe Banda. No need to insuit us. We are here to share ideas not insults. If you want to exchange insults go to KMB there you you find your type.

  45. I actually agree with Dora , The tribunal acted outside it’s powers and their findings were not legally sound.Zambian case law is inconsistent and sets precedents that are antagonising. In my own personal opinion the tribunal was not driven by judicial expeditious efficacy but was driven by popular opinion from the public. Dora was tried on public opinion not law , I have a feeling the judges were just succumbed to cries form the public. Judges should be impartial in their findings instead of behaving like village headmen who succumb to popular opinions.

  46. Im sure the Tribunal Judges and the Chief Justice would also want to defend their integrity. So I guess it will be the Dora vs The Chief Justice. Dont be surprised if MMD cadres start calling for the removal of the Chief Justice. Lets wait and see.

  47. #41 Free-Market-Economist
    Do you really believe that there is such a thing as ‘free market economics’? Mmm. Interesting, because all I see is that the countries at the forefront of espousing these doctrines are the biggest protectors of their markets. For markest to be truly free, there would be no national interests, no borders, no customs duty and no visa regulations. The only approximation of free markets is internal market and even that is only an approximation.

  49. Dora , it too late now for you to start crying. Why didnt you say so when the investigation was taking place, Please Red Lips, go away . I have had enough of those red lips.

  50. Dora thought she was invinsible, but how with that red lips. Check out the Huge glassess , she is hiding like a celebrate from Papalazi.

  51. Slumdog Shalapungu
    Spot on! Where can she go if the Judges all gang up against her? I wish Zambia had something like Jamaica, a Privy Council’ outside the borders or an African Union court.

  52. She has the right to petition for a judicial review and also the right to lose. Her lawyer, Silwamba, also represented Chiluba and we know the Kasai lost all cases and is now stone broke. Good luck girl, though I do not see how you will remove the stain of breaching the constitution, it runs even deeper than the one Bill left on Monica Lewensky.

  53. #29 Thandiwe – no need for insults. I hear you. Dora did nothing wrong. She is a victim of male curtails – she shld have known how to play the dirty and malicious game. Harrington surely, shld find his match and not start poking new political giants just bcz he failed in his time in the same ministry to make thgs wk. Go Girl Dora – Don’t let anyone stop you! Not even the some males who feel your pressure – in all spheres!

  54. What the Fu–k does this woman Dora think she is , she has made a mistake , instead of apologising , she is still trying to play a fast one on us, Zero.

  56. Its hard to understand this girl, she is running the risk of losing her seat and she wants to start a fresh fight. She will lose everything.

  59. #29, the AG’s advice may not be binding. However, your Dora Siliya has ended up in sh.t street for ignoring the advice because it has led to the country to cough up $2 Million dollars because of her arrogance. You do not know the full terms of reference of the tribunal so do not jump to an uninformed conclusion. I am happy that Dora Siliya walked on her own. Or was she pushed? She can go ahead with a judicial review, who cares, as long as she uses her own money.

  61. Any way she still has some money to spend let her exercise her right to seek for a judicial review. I hope it is not a ploy from silwamba to mint more money from dora in a form of legal fees. But i feel it will be an exercise in futility. Good lucky ba dora.

  63. CHEESY
    It is not a war of the sexes because there are many men who wish justice for her. If she was wrong she should be punished but let her have her day in court. I personally think that the Tribunal did go beyond their terms of reference. That happens quiet often and it is up to the review to correct this.

  64. she shud read the mood of the nation and weigh her chances.the tribunal dropped 2 issues in her favour.she lost 1 and now crying foul.the excuse that the tribunal touched on the aspect which was not in the initial charge sheet doesn’t hold water.it’s like yu are being searched fo drugs,in the process yu’re caught with porn and start crying foul,i am not a lawyer but this woman will just waste her money, and the little respect pipo have given her fo the bold step she took by resigning.if i were yu, i wud be worried about the calls to lose the parliamentary seat.if anything, pipo’s attention is on Kunda and the role he played on the subject,yu’re in the archives fo now.

  65. Kabusha
    Why do Northerners find it difficult to distinguish nouns from adjectives? ‘Good luck ‘ NOT ‘good lucky’. ‘worth the effort’ not ‘worthy the effort.’ I see this type of discombobulated writing quiet frequently both among my cousin bloggers here and the Post newspaper.

  66. This woman is illiterate and may end up in jail if she pushes this mattter too far. She must be grateful that the tribunal did not specifically recommend that she be prosecuted and jailed.
    What a useless appointment! Surely, are these the ministers we have in this day and era? What can this woman discuss with the likes of Obama? Hopeless Zambian leadership. Shame.

  68. It will be a futile exercise for her, but then she understands very little english. She said it herself that she did not understand the word ‘nullity’. I think she now smacks of REAL ARROGANCE. Lets see where her constitutional rights take her if not further into the mud. She will surely regret the path she has now taken. Lets wait and see

  69. my dear dora, you should have hang in there rather than give your enemies the satisfaction. they will not stop to bring you down. count on my support

  70. Firstly, nice picture. Regarding “She was, however, grateful to the tribunal for establishing that she did not breach the Parliamentary and Ministerial Code of Conduct Act on all the allegations levelled against her “, I am with Ms Dora Siliya.

    I hope Mr President RB Banda will advice her to relax from starting up with the Judiciary and appoint her as Minister (of Justice) since she did not do anything wrong in her past dealings as a Minister. The our current Minister of Justice Vice President George Kunda can be left with the Veep position alone or considered for the Ministry of Transport and Communications in the possible re-shuffled Cabinet to come soon.

    Otherwise, Ms Dora Siliya is very right in seeking recourse over the DORA SILYA TRIBUNAL overstepped outcome.

  71. #29 I though I was the only one that noticed a lot of these people on here have no clue. To me this Dora trial seems like a show trial to please the mobs. I think theres something deeper to the Dora Saga that we do not know about .

  72. This woman is trying to use the judicail review as a decoy with the intended outcome of us forgetting the crimes she has committed because, by the time the review is done and dusted, other important issues would have cropped and hers would have been shipped to the archives. We know what your are up to Dora!

  73. #65, The saint and Nambala 67 Werrafimofimo….. naisa iminwine amenshi! You dont talk about bemba’s like that…

  74. Maybe the best way to go is to institute criminal proceedings against the ex-honorable, in that then everything would come to light, whether guilty or not. Just a suggestion.

  75. So many Dora haters on this forum…..I wonder what she did to you? i know some of you are looking at me with heads tilted like a dog listening to a high pitched sound….

  76. I we Ka siliya Kanshi wakula shani? Why have you allowed your leg and your ….s to get over your heard? Iam afraid the evidence is just immense against you. Bakamba tusheni. Try farming pa petauke. You need prayerz and image builders. I will pray for you but please ichefye. humble your self big time. Learn to keep quiet sometimes. Your profession is journalism but please it does not mean that you should keep talking and talking and talking. Bwezani welcomed the findings but you are trying to dispute that. Ulemwenashamo ba kateka. Or are you guys fighting already? Lol !!!!

  77. It is possible Ms Dora Siliya may have rejected proposals from some of her male and female (homosexuals) haters. Such hate behaviour from men is normal for characters that have been turned down. As for women haters of Ms Dora Siliya, it is possible that they can not compete with her and this gives them nightmares.

    Have a blessed day you all as you remember that Ms Dora Siliya is a noble human being who needs our Zambians’ support.

  78. #75 stripper please strip some more. we just hate corruption and the sound of it and whoever it overcomes and those who wallow in it. Please give us a break. Do’nt you know that even Dora and chiluba FTJ read from this blog. We want to tell them. there is no ceasefire until BigBro says so.

  80. THE SAINT

    Do you really believe that there is such a thing as ‘free market economics’? Mmm. Interesting, because all I see is that the countries at the forefront of espousing these doctrines are the biggest protectors of their markets.

    Yes I do believe there is such a thing as free market economics. I just know of one place where we can see the beauties of free market economics and how it has worked to the benefit of the place. That place is no other than Hong Kong. Though it does not have a perfect free market economy model, it is the best real life example I could think of. I am not removing the role of govt in economics, I am just for the notion that govt must only be there to cater for market failures.

  85. #75 Remember you instigated the beef between me and that d*ll f@g man redborn and through the distraction, I was wounded in action.What you did was an act of betrayal, but I knew the assass!n,now I pack a vengeance like Steven Seagal
    I’m back from the trenches to even the odds.

  86. #75 you are a ev.i.l carni.vore,your legs like a needle,you p.i.g, you wigged your tail on me last time,now its pay back time .

    Watch it!

  87. #80 Free-Market-Economist
    I have Chinese friends who lives there (Shatin). They are consultants in the medical field and they would least agree with you. Hong Kong came to be what it is because the UK poured in money to showcase it to the communists around it. It is a financial district and produces nothing except speculative money making services.

  88. Free market captalist are you married? (this is by no means any disrespect,there is something I want to find out?)

  89. LT has put this story on this blog so that bloggers can comment. If you want to protect and support siliya, well you have the right. I want to call a spade … a spade. I know that, had siliya kept quiet, non of these comments would have come on. By the way I thought during the tribunal processing siliya was supposed to seek review there and then using her lawyer, silwamba. Why now? Was she sleeping like the master during the tribunal deliberation? Typical.

  90. Personally I think Dora was one of the best Ministers the Ministry of Comms has ever had. She has done an honourable thing by resigning and deserves praise and respect rather than redicule. She has shown the ‘Dead Wood’ in Government how it is done, please spare her. She has the right to legal recourse like anybody else. With such tribunals, progressive Ministers will be afraid to function. Is this a case of the means justifying the ends or we will continue carrying the ZAMTEL burden on our shoulders? A lot of people are benefitting from the confusion at ZAMTEL, should we then appraoch the courts? What a lovely lady the monkeys in cabinet will miss!

  96. #48; You are really a stripper.What makes you think that Dora has the right to do whatever she wants? By this, do you mean that she also has the right to steal govt property (to be a thief), to be a prostitute, or maybe even being a stipper like you? We don’t need strippers in Zambia.

  97. Hey ba Post.. can you take on Dora for breaking constitution thang? Its time the law was respected! This lady should learn that pride and arrogance is the beginning of a fall!

  98. #90 thats a thought on spot,I like that, we all need to pay homage,the zambian government has lost a phat booty,a hard worker,just because she was a woman, we had to go hard on her,whilst we still have male criminals who seem to be above the law.Too bad she had an express exit,now she is trapped in circles similar to a figure 8 with no exit.somebody show her some love please.

  99. When the dust settles, Dora will be sent into Foreign Mission and some of you will seek her for help for whatever diaspora problem. Too bad we have non in Australia. Someone mark my words. Good nite!

  101. #21, Whatever Dora has done, she has not been given a custodial sentence by the courts. So she is a free person like all of us. Now putting hatred aside which I see in many of the statements (we zambians lack moderaration – a habit we have picked up from Fred Mmembe) Dora is free to take any course of action in court. She will not be using State resources. My dear Rose, remember Dora was elected by the people of Petauke. They are not calling for her to resign. Who are you to call for her resignation. If you are inclined to feel jealous about her being an MP please select a Constituency and contest in 2011. It is a free country.

  102. THE SAINT

    Yes but Hong Kong is now in the hands of the Chinese and the Chinese govt refuses to touch it because of the structure Hong Kong lays its foundation on.

    DIGITAL SMOKE

    No I am not married.

  103. We want to empower our women in decision making positions.I hope a women will be appointed to replace Hon.Siliya.

  104. #89 BigBro From the Sky
    I once represented my professional organisation in Zambia on a committee set up to look at Zambian law as it related to our profession. I was amazed at how often the existing law over and over again said: ‘The Minister shall…’ This was a refrain like a mantra. You would think that it is actually the minister who does the work but apparently it is the PS and the minister only signs on the dotted line! In that case, what would a conscientious minister do if a corrupt PS brought something for him/her to sign? If s/he signs s/he is dammed. If s/he doesn’t s/he is dammed. S/he takes full responsibilty for the outcome. The law is an ass!

  105. Can we lay this crook to rest. “May soul rest in your lies” as desmond Tutu put it, this world-country belongs to us all. One day you and your Banda will be out and we will follow you to your holes. You think you’re swimming in honey.

  106. #75 Stripper; Just from the way your blogs sound, it looks like you were raised as a spoiled child. No wonder you are calling yourself “stripper”. You even have the guts of refering your fellow bloggers as dogs. You are a dog yourself because it goes with your name. A dog is always naked and so are you who is a stripper. Ha! I believe you are a shame to your family.

  108. Ba Dora be real, dont waste our time, this is all so unnecessary. Kanshi govt positions are very sweet hey, once one is in you almost have to bring a tow truck when they are out. Are you telling us, there is nothing else for you to do, you have to continue appearing in the headlines? Girlfriend, you are boring. Just move on and find other productive events to occupy yourslef.

  110. What is Dora ranting??? These chilende of Babylon is taking us for granted. Does she mean well with Zambians? Dora please shut your stinking lips. Just go back to usual job you know well. Remember how good you were at receiving and giving at UNZA. May now its time you went to TASINTA. Bye bye Dora the fallen Babylon who entice even the mwene.

  111. I have just read this: LEARN LAW SO THAT YOU KNOW HOW TO BREAK IT. So the LAZ are now telling us laymen that RB is right to disperse the AGs Chambers and they read passages to confuse us. Mwailasha we also RIGHT and WRONG after all it takes 90yrs to train a lawyer so these guys are still learning.

  112. I hope all of us blogging here remember Dora at ZNBC we must not forget Charity begins at home.History will judge us harshly if we forget lessons. Maybe i must also remind you honourable bloggers that Dora was asked to leave ZNBC i wont say why cos i have asked you to remember. My final Question will be; How hourable is a reformed Tasintha student. I rest my case.

  115. The Post paper are on the ground so that Dora can be exposed more on the Constitution she breached and why this boys are encouraging her for a second thought to go back to court.

  116. Kambongolo & Not Impressed Gelos

    I am out of here. It is becoming nasty and personal. I have often wondered why Zambian men always scandalise upity women as sluts! Is ther a Freudian issue here? Do we think our beautiful Zambian women cannot progress without compromising their morality? I do not think so. We must not smear people without facts. Men sleep around and it is ok. But a woman having a boyfrriend is no, no. What rubbish! Grow up you guys!

  117. Let us give credit were it is deal.We have all sinned and run short of Glory.Who are we to start judging Hon.Dora on this planet earth……..Enough…..

  120. The saint a woman was made for man and not man for a woman.Man was made for God.Solomon had many concubines,so did many people in the bible.Your words are baseless go and sleep before we smoke you.

  121. # 106, You have beef with me? get a grip, you can call yourself anything and that does not reflect who you are…they are just blog names and you are damn not to know that…by the way, i am educated from UNZA sch of Medicine and have a good living here in San Franscisco FYI…got it?

  123. Hey The Saint… Is Dora your girl fiend? You are annoyed coz we are telling the truth about her? Go hang man with your sainthood. You want to turn Zambia into a personal to holder GRZ. Your stinking corruption is haunting you. Let me help you go hang.

  124. #121 just listen to you …” i am educated from UNZA sch of Medicine and have a good living here in San Franscisco FYI…got it?” So damn what? Dr and living in San franscisco. Now tell me? Are you an economical refugee? What made you run away? Grow up, You live in a foreign country but you gonna go back to zambia alive or as a cargo. It happens all the time. Just blog and don’t bring about your achievements. There are certain chaps pa Zed who may be more educated than you are. hold your peace and calm down. What nonsense!

  125. Dora Red Lip fimo fimo would not have resigned if she has not done anything wrong, she was quick to jump cos she knows that she is guilty.

  126. Hi Bloggers , those calling other pipo names, this is not called for. Why use such hash words to a fellow human being. Bloggers , please if you have issues dont blog.. You are the same pipo who make other bloggers run to other sites. This site is for us to chill and just talk about zambian issues, not calling others names.

  129. Guys, very funny first it was me me me! Now its San Francisco. Ala tamwampwe! Ni pa Zambia, know your connections. Some of you are letting your tempers rise for nothing. Get a life all of you!

  130. DIGITAL SMOKE

    Good luck in finding the father figure. We all need one at some point in our lives and I hope you are successful in your search.

    DORA RED LIPS

    Hi Bloggers , those calling other pipo names, this is not called for

    Whatever Mr. Double standards.

  131. Hey hey, too much childish and unproductive remarks. Basic rules of law, Dora has dissagreed with the outcome of the tribunal and wants to appeal. What could be possibly wrong with that? Convicted Murderers, rapists all challenge rulings? , so why shouldnt Dora. As for her ablilities as a minister I do not think its irrelevant, As for blogger 122 Mutwemutwe, it is argued that LPM on at least two occasions violated the constitution ( Bulaya saga and Nevers Munba appointment, so get your facts right). If she wins in court then well the tribunal erred if she loses then the fact sticks that she vilolated. What we should as progressive Zambians be doing now is pushing for a law that states that if a Public official violates the constitution then he or she loses office. but even with such a lw

  132. #128 this site is for us to chill! no sense ,crazy silly sister….this is strictly bussiness no chilling in here,find yaself something to do,listen to music,read a book,watch a movie,or else grab ya titties and do some.

  133. What we should as progressive Zambians be doing now is pushing for a law that states that if a Public official violates the constitution then he or she loses office. but even with such a law, the recourse to appeal will exist.

  134. Please exercise some restraint. Insults are uncalled-for here. Some comments are hair-raisingly out of touch with sensibilities.

  136. It sad that such a promising career should come to an end as a result of Dora’s (to be read Dollar Silly’s) arrogance, greed, vanity and unrestrained lawlessness. The breach of the constitution is a very serious matter, if left unpunished it will threaten the very existence of our motherland Zambia, it will virtually turn this country into another Somalia! The article that she breached is very clear, for those comrades who have not read it please read the extract below:

    54. [Attorney-General]
    (1) There shall be an Attorney-General of the Republic who shall, subject to ratification by the National Assembly, be appointed by the President and shall be —
    • (a) an ex-officio member of the Cabinet; and
    • (b) the principal legal adviser to the Government.
    (2)…

  139. We have issues here. Don’t you shut people up. The issue and our business is Dora. Now if you chaps have nothing to say on the blog then better Bit it!!!! You hear me you cowards. Who told you blogs are for the fainthearted. Find some chat rooms elsewhere. There is no ceasefire until I say so. Remember BigBro from the sky is watching!!!!!

  140. Without prejudice to the general functions under clause (1), the functions of the Attorney-General shall be to —
    • (a) cause the drafting of, and sign, all Government Bills to be presented to Parliament;
    • (b) draw and peruse agreements, contracts, treaties, conventions and documents, by whatever name called, to which the Government is a party or in respect of which the Government has an interest;
    • (c) represent the Government in courts or any other legal proceedings to which Government is a party; and
    • (d) perform such other functions as may be assigned to him by the President or by law.
    (3) Subject to the other provisions of this Constitution, no agreement, contract, treaty, convention or document by whatever named called, to which Government is a party or in…

  141. (3) Subject to the other provisions of this Constitution, no agreement, contract, treaty, convention or document by whatever named called, to which Government is a party or in respect of which the Government has an interest, shall be concluded without the legal advice of the Attorney-General, except in such cases and subject to such conditions as Parliament may by law prescribe.
    It is clear from the above that Dora is wrong as ably concluded by the tribunal, and she will do everyone a favour by reflecting on the dangers of arrogance, empty pride and acute lawlessness…

  142. #137watch ya a*s,I know its itching,use soda or put some ginger mixed with chili if you dont have a dido.

  143. Stripper did you actually think living in san Franscisco and being a doc is such an achievement? I pit you. Shame! All the same be levelheaded. Don’t take issues personal.

  144. #125 Kambongolo

    Dora is my fellow citizen. I would defend her right to justice as much as I would defend your right to say whatever you like.

    #138 Birds eye veiw
    I don’t think that there is any doubt about what the role of the AG is.

  145. Birds eye nefyashala, I wish to commend your insight into the legal connotation of the issue at hand.

  146. Dr stripper do you have morals? All I see is a kwindi out of you. Is there a line drawn between you and Dora. The next thing we will hear from dora is that she has a degree from Unza. Does this change anything about her? Mmm! Tell me? Maybe you’re just a maid doctor pa San F. I have seen so many of pipo down graded Zero by the bazungus. Tell me do you want to continue picking a fight with me? Please I will be around for a while. Don’t you change your name. You must apologise for being shallow minded.

  147. the stripper has been stripped,learn ya lesson,stay on ya grind,keep it on the low key,if you you thought being a doctor was an achievement.lol way to go,you have just started ya journey,you retard!

  148. Baby C and The Saint mwanisekesa northerners misuse H. Old the baby in you Harms urry… hold the baby in your arms hurry. ha ha ha ha ha

  149. BigBro From the Sky

    Leave the poor girl alone. You have made your point. It is time to move on.

  150. Big bro. from the sky and digital smoke…. i apologise on stripper’s behalf! she will never do tha again! please forgive her! i beg! I will talk to her! if she repeats it again,……i will deal with her myself! Now stop calling each other names and concetrate on the matter at hand! ok sweethearts? love you!

  153. You see stripper, stick to the real issues. Oooooooh ooooh! iam sory Doc. I have a headach but u seem to be so far away. Please doc help me! I hope you don’t strip yourself before patients. Bakumanga mufana. be careful,Simple Doc.

  158. Dora Pls move on we ARE TIRED OF LISTENING TO THE SAME SONGS….FIND YOURSELF SOMETHING ELSE PRODUCTIVE……the damage hasalready been done….what a shame ths has caused

  160. #154 Baby C.
    Waona Baby C, naku uza ine. Ba Honey says: Dora thought she was invinsible (INVINCIBLE), but how with that (THOSE) red lips. Check out the Huge glassess (glasses) , she is hiding like a celebrate (CELEBRITY) from Papalazi (PAPARAZZI)

  161. #159 its just some hot piece about Some Doc and some real hot bloggers. No big issue really!! Chill!!! I think everything is under control. I hope she hasn’t gone weeping.

  163. “Iwe chi Dora” please give us a break. Why can’t you just lie low? You are forgetting that breaching the Constitution also touches on you being a member of parliament since you also swore to uphold and defend the constitution as an MP. Do you still want to test your luck? Think also about that lipstick of yours – CHIMONENI!!!

  164. #165 Thats too much, please moderate. she has heard.its enough. Ba bigBro nabalanda ati ceasefire on stripper not Dora. Stripper Iam touched, please don’t fight on the blog. . Iam off

  166. mutwemutwe

    What a vile and disgusting comment(#165). You should be ashamed of yourself.

  169. Mutwemutwe It is amazing what bad language you and some others have. Busy going of the topic and boasting aboutyour degrees. If you do have a chain like you said I expect better conduct. If i was in a position of authority I would never think og giving you a leadership position , coz your behaviour is just not on PLLLLLLeeease

  171. Even with a misguided opinion of the AG? Some opinions are worth ignoring. If only the opinions of the AG would reflect the high office he occupies. But alas, opinions that are clearly retrogressive unmindedful of common sence only serving populist positions.

    For crying out loud, who on earth in the Ministry besides Dora could have managed to negotiate a progressive deal? The double breast wearing Dr Mambwe? For all I see, Dora should have been parted on the back and yet what does she get? Hurried before a tribunal of hatchet faced civil servants who have not a clue about international business, bigots who have lurched themselves for their failures in civil service for which they claim to be masters. Who among them have penned their signature on a multinational deal worth talking about?

  172. mutwemutwe

    You keep on shifting from blog to blog because of your bad behaviour

    It seems you tend to stick to ad-hominems. I will not succumb to your level of intellectual retardation. I will then challenge you to provide points of this so called “bad behavior”. I still visit the “Zambia Online” blog and I also frequent the “Zambian Watchdog” site. I am also a frequent visitor of the Lusaka Times.

    My patterns concerning the sites I visit is not because of “bad behavior”, it is because of my hunger for information. So keep on sticking to your ad-hominems because it seems that is the only thing you excel at.

    GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR.

  173. Mutwemutwe Am usually quick to smoke f@@ls of your calibre,if you want to bring it on you can bring it on.Am up in these killin fields and you bound to die slow,
    Your style staggers like a drunken whino,you hopless hocus pocus creature learn to focus on facts.

  174. #116 The Saint, sorry to disappoint you, but last time I checked, I wasnt a man, but a woman. All am doing is advising Dora (my fellow woman) to do, is to move on with her life. Am not sure if I classified her as a slut, coz for real I dont know her like that. The problem with such cases is that they can consume you and eat you up a person. Sometimes you need to walk away from a battle that does seem to be going your way. So please read my comments again. I aint sluting no buddy

  175. Mutwemutwe, my gravatar is a work of art. And I find it strange that a sensible person can find pleasure in deriding the dead, the way you are doing it right now. Our late president LPM(mhsrip), is barely a year on the ground and you come here to present him in a manner which is out of taste to most of us. Shame on you.

  176. Unless people learn to see wholistically, the will ever regard good as bad. Look, what crime has Dora committed? I salute her for choosing to resign, a sign of her intergrity and good virtue.

  177. The tribunal findings are a clear reminder of why we are poor. People who should be better judges have connived to frustrate a good intention. The AG for whatever reason, didnt not careless what he was penning in his ‘high opinion’. The POST newspaper are right in the middle of the lurch of the retards. Their intent to harm Dora has blinded them to the sincerity with which aimed to achieve good. They are not concerned that the system has been misapplied resulting in the innocent person being blamed for her good effort. AG’s opinion in this matter was misplaced if one has an eye to see.

  179. Bird eyes fimo fimo walasa……… That’s why we are surprised that this UNZA yes can have the guts to challenge the tribunal. And those who are supporting her you should also call for the end of Chiluba and company’s prosecutions coz they also error in the same way like Dora. Why should you have double standards. Shame on you all. You pretend to fight corruption and yet deep down your hearts you know that you fight a certain grouping in Zambia. You should be ashamed.

  181. #181 Not Impressed Gelos
    I am sorry that I pasted your name with the fella. I trust you are a good person. I am sorry for inadvertently attributing venom to you.

  182. Dora has the constitutional right to go for a judicial review. But she should remember that the Harrington and the civil society organizations that that took her case to the tribunal and their posse of lawyers are not sleeping, but still baying for her blood. She may just open a can of worms and unleash forces she may not be able to control. Good luck to you Dora!

  183. This is how lawyers “chew” money from dull and ignorant clients like Dora. It is a matter of fact that when you hire a lawyer, they will assure you even of impossibles; even where they know that you are clearly guilty. Now, if you are so dull and mediocre like Dora, even after being pronounced “guilty”, because your lawyer failed to defend your indefensible case, the same lawyer would still attempt to suck the last of you by convincing you that it is possible to magically change you from being guilty to innocent. My advice to you brainless Dora is that, shut up and go into hiding so that people can forget about you. That way at least you can drive around Lusaka without being called all sorts of names. Bottom line is there is no way you can convince anyone otherwise. You are condemned.

  186. I remember, but cant recall who exactly, someone making the point that at the end of all this, Dora will be left alone with no Rupiah or Kunda to stand by her side once the verdict is pronounced against her. How true!! As things stand right now, whether or not Rupiah or/and Kunda say anything on this matter, it is so totally irrelevant!! Anything the both of them say on this matter will be seen to be “personal” and therefore only go to strengthen those who always thought their defence was based on nothing but personal sentiments! It’s show time, baby! First round goes to the Post.

  188. I did not expect “iron lady” dora to take it lying down. And she is absolutely right and she will win. Firstly, what kind of justice is it that condemns someone for a crime that she has not been accused of, let alone given a chance to defend herself?

    Secondly, the constitutional article that she is alleged to have breached is crystal clear: it required dora to “seek the legal opinion of the Attorney General”, but once the opinion is given there is no obligation to follow the advice.
    This is a clear-cut case where the judge will know the verdict even before he hears the case. There can be no two justices, one for mmembe and another for dora. Justice for all !!!!!!

  190. so lets go for a judicial review and open the fraud cases in petauke, i think dora is a bit misled by eric silwamba. in the tribunal they saved her ass by not sticking to the findings on the 12.5million kwacha which the tribunal constantly brushed aside as a fraud case. she forgets that she confessed to not understanding NULLITY. today she becomes a champion to challenge the same judges?

  191. So from the learned lawyer blogger’s, does it mean that when a judicial review takes place, issue not previously tackled in the tribunal can surface up? i bet Dora was saved from going to prison on the fact that the corruption , embezzlement and fraud issue was not a mandate of the Judge chirwa tribunal. so such cases should be taken up by TIZ and take them to criminal courts so we see who has been telling the truth?

  192. Cino calo camayendele. Let Dora do what she wants. She is simply exercising her constitutional rights. That’s why all these legal systems are in existence, they are there for people like her who fell aggrieved.

  193. Yess Nomba twaisa and if it means losing her money so be it. I am sure she feels its worth it. If she ends up in more trouble it will be aresult of her action

  194. Bonse nimwe bangwele… Dora has every right to do whatever she wants. She is a human being unlike some of you with fundamental rights to justice. You are all being led by Mmembe kwati fipelebesha (butterflies) towards a light. Wake up!

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