The Foundation for Democratic Process (FODEP) says a united Africa is a long-term solution to the continent’s underdevelopment.
FODEP President Stanley M’hango however, says the process towards a unity African government should be gradual.
Mr. M’hango said the formation of the United States of Africa would translate into greater investment in-flow onto the continent.
Mr. Mhango noted that Africans would further benefit from the free movement of people, goods and services.
He also said the quest to have a seat in the United Nation’s Security Council would receive better hearing if Africa spoke with one voice.
Mr. M’hango said the continent would be harmonized through cultures, religions and customs by promoting the spirit of coexistence in diversity.
He was speaking in Lusaka today when he made a presentation to the parliamentary committee on security which is chaired by Kawambwa Patriotic Front (PF) Member of Parliament (MP) Elizabeth Chitika Mulobeka.
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This is a very ambitious goal. Personally i do not think that it is a viable goal. What i would actually support would be that of more regional cooperation and having say the southern state which would include nations of southern africa etc.. and then having all these states integrated into a system of cooperation to be used when africa is dealing with internatioal issues..so in dealing with home issues better to stick with my regional plan of states and when with international issues africa would have one voice by way of the regional states meeting in form of africa union and deciding their stance on an international issue.
Walai and sons co
How long will this gradual process take? From the time of Kwame Nkhruma, we have been preaching Africa unity. Europe has left us miles behind.
Each country has a mandate wipe its mess first before it considers being involved with other nations. I don’t see the reality of african nations coming together ever with current power wrestling, poor economies bra bra bra. Mhango thats a wishful thought.
IN SUPPORT OF NUMBER 2 STILL
Africa cannot be compared to europe in terms on closeness in cultural ,social and economic issues. Africa is too diverse and the differences in economic, political, social issues are too deep for such a united africa.. Where we need to start from is from a united regional system as i have already stated above.. e,g united states of southern africa, united states of north africa etc.. i think this would be a great starting point.. what do you guys think..?
The western countries have ended up hijacking your concept by implementation not just mere talk. The OAU, now AU has not lived to its expectations. Example enought to support my claim. Dream on M’hango!!!
Of course each country need to attain a certain social, economic and political level before joining my supposedly regional states system. Even before joining the european union, a country needs to attain certain economic, political and social benchmarks e.g a certain level of human rights. This would be the same in my united regional system and i think it would be done much easier in a united regional system than a whole united africa system..
walai and sons co
That cannot work in africa coz the leaders we have are failing to develop these small countries rich in minerals and others oil. The late O. Bongo, MHSRIP, was counted among the richest presidents but look at the country he headed, poor! Bloodshed will not be controlled on who will be President of The United States of Africa because others cannot even accept being called Africans and would want to belong to Asia. One zambia cried foul when he supported Gadaffi for the same. Distribution of resources will be very difficult. Official language will be a problem.
Mr M’hango,hold your fire! I have lived with africans from the west,North,east and our very own south.West africans especially Nigerians will be the one to benefit.Cominng to Arabs,these people say they are not Africans and they think they are racially superior just cos of slave trade when they were middlemen and find it very difficulty to accept us as equals.Plus their religion preaches hate,look at what AL-Bashir is doing in Darfur to black christians.Fellow Arabs are feelin good even saying’Allah Akbar(God is great)’ and yet blacks are being killed.These Arabs are radicals.What is good for Zambia is SADC and NOT USAF where Gaddaffi will think is a Captain with dictatorial behaviour.
walai nthwenu. I agree with you to a certain degree. My worry is that we have African leaders who are entirely opposed to the idea. They come up with all sorts of excuses to ensure that the dream doesn’t materialise such as ‘ Gaddaffi wants to impose himself on Africa.’ This is not a Gaddafi thing. Increasingly, I am beginning to realise that most of the leaders who are opposed to this sort of unity do not wish to lose their ‘national sovereignty,’ some of them are tyrants in their national states. They are not looking at the bigger picture of improving the welfare and governance of the African, but their own bellies.
oh goody! and we get to share all the rebels too!
#2 walai nthwenu mputi business
You should have been the consultnt to drw up the draft, becuse what you have stated is very viable. Lets not forget that the USA took advantage when things where still young before divisions and all. In Africa each state has created its own culture which a completely different politicaly aswell especially that some are not even democratic states. I therefore agree with #2 regional coordination is best
as a certain contreversial black american pastor called pastor Manning declared “Black people dont understand the world!! Theres no two cents worth of difference between a black murderer and a black nuclear phycists or doctor, they all dont understand the world! Black people had that big continent Africa and they built NOTHING!!! A black man cant rule no nation! Look at Nigeria, oil prodcuing but u have pot bellied children starving! The hutus, the tutsis, Mugabe and look at Harlem!! Only God can help the black MAN!!!” All that sounds bad but he did make sense. United States of Africa my foot! We’re better off talking about the possibility of Tetamashimba keeping his mouth shut, now there’s a long shot.
Regional rather than a united africa is what i’d support. A united africa is completely a waste of thought at this stage. An integrated southern africa because if we go above zambia we got war regions and and rebels. Self sufficiency is a key before intergration,and #6 there was no hijacking of a concept by the europeans nothing is original either you achieve it or you dont. Zambia a country that cant support its’ own health system while ministers feel fine to increase salaries, i mean do they understand any concept of political thought at all.African leaders lead by traditional ways which they try to implement into our democratic society,sit back like the chief and enjoy your reign with your surbordinates.
I predict 1984 will come into this thread to say ‘prepare for hard times’. 1984 will copy and paste conpiracy theories . 1984 is preparing for hard times by posting on blogs saying prepare
Help me on this, Does it implie that africa will be one state with one leader or something like european union??
The former US secretary of State(now Obama’s advicer), Zbigniew Brzezinski said in his bookin in 1970, that the road to One World Government is through “Regionization”(Regionalism). The African Union,the Asian Union,the Mediterean Union,the North American Union and EU.This regionalization is in keeping with the Tri-Lateral Plan which calls for a gradual convergence of East and West, ultimately leading toward the goal of “one world government’.National sovereignty is no longer a viable concept.
We are conned here again.It’s not FODEP speaking but BRZEZINSKI the GRAND MASTER
We have to understand that there are many forces in the West that would not like to see a United Africa. We must also understand that we shall continue to experience more pressure, within and without unless we get together as a continent. But let’s not forget that pressure makes diamonds, and with the ammount of pressure we’ve been through, Africa is surely a diamond by now!
#15 i know who you are
A police office,investigator,or a crimes scene inspector is a “conspiracy theorist”.It is their job to figure out and formulate ideas,opinions,theoris about crime.Crime are the acts of 1,2,3+ people getting together,conspiring,colluding to act upon that crime.By definition a conspiracy theorist is actually a policeman.Their job is to formulate theories on who may be conspiring,in other words they are conspiracy theorist.The same goes for lawyers and judges.
Of course #194 how could you forget me I am the one that showed you that your conspiracy alex jones/david icke drivel of a one world government is not from the bible but from occult sources. Educate yourself in a library not listening to alex jones a white supremacists who teaches against africans. It’s a pity to see you are drawn into such
Prepare for hard time ahead.
haha your whole life is just based on preparing for hard times? who ever told you it would be simple. Are you just going to copy and paste white supremacist formulated opinions and pass them on as fact in justification for your constant state of paranoia. Instead of delving into such why don’t you read the bible , you reallu thinking warning people on blogs will save you on judgement day?
1984
i have followed a few of Alex jones publications conspirancy theory or not there is a master plan in play
#15 & #19 –
I am sure there are people who believe 9/11 was carried out by Al Qaeda, 7/7 London bombings by 4 guys, the economic downturn is just one of those economic cycles, russia invaded georgia, iranian elections were fraudelent. People believe what they to believe as long it fits into their reality. Now, here you have some guy spewing forth about united states of africa when we have numerous organizations(SADCC,COMESA), agreements/treaties amongst nations. What good, pray tell me, is a united africa going to do? We cannot sort out regional problems (Congo?,Zimbabwe?,Sudan?Somalia?) and someone is pining for a grandiose political platform. Just because bazungu have it! Like everything else in Zambia.. va bazungu!!!!
I like to think of myself as having average intelligence(nut case), not overly smart but on the other hand, not easily fooled. I have no time to dwell on personalities. We ’re all same in this way .We are born, we live, die, we all go somewhere which last forever and ever. The problem is, so do our decisions.So please leave me alone.Thank you.
#22 Slumdog Shalapungu
I can back 1984 and i wont quote anyone but explain what i have come across over the years .
In particular Alex jones since you say he is an extrimist… In my understanding there are hard times ahead a police like state, know i dont agree with everything that people say is the gospel truth. ie the credit crisis, in my opinion was simply stagnation of world growth especially those with power. It only needed a little push and someone to drive the agenda someone who can recruit others.
#26 Saying they are hard times ahead is like saying the sun will rise tommorow, common sense . Only a half brain would think hard times aren’t inherent in human social behaviour. This idea of pretending that hard times and concerted efforts for disaster are new is whty i find you and 1984 ridiculous. Whats happening now is not even the worst thats ever happened in history. You might as well warn me of coming rains and snow as say theres a conspiracy.
This “Mr. M’hango said the formation of the United States of Africa would translate into greater investment in-flow onto the continent” is an illusion.
The United States you are trying to copy is a different case for they have one spirit. The so-called United States of Africa is a form of copy of the EU following “Mr. M’hango said the continent would be harmonized through cultures, religions and customs by promoting the spirit of coexistence in diversity” which is not working properly here in Europe as each group of people identifies themselves are a different country.
The French have kept their culture while the Germans do there own things in their way and on the otherhand UK has a protection attitude.
So, long as we have war oriented characters, it will…
#27
Inever said there is a conspiracy you said it… When a leader says there are going to make radicule changes to the system or any institution for that matter and they say prepare for hard times what do you say???? seat back and say i quote “You might as well warn me of coming rains and snow”.
Probelms is you want to keep using the word conspiracy. Simple do you honestly believe that a new world order is something that can pass without problems then why go through all the trouble//
The best we as Africa can do is make sure “… Africans would further benefit from the free movement of people, goods and services” by sorting the current problems which hamper this.
Infrastructure development is the only solution for individual countries. Examples are there among us as in the case of South Africa.
Instead of looking for foreign direct investment to come from other parts of the world especially China, let us as individual countries proper research and analysis and development in our education system by pumping in more money there. Innovation needs to take centre stage so that we can enhance trade between African Nations instead of buying everything from China.
Once our mindset is changed in this way, we can move all over with heads high.
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Matthew…
Just to conclude, my Holy Bible has this about the future:
Daniel 2 + KJV Bible
2:42 And [as] the toes of the feet [were] part of iron, and part of clay, [so] the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
Hence, the full integration is a dream or is it a nightmare where people are agitate with strange dreams but they can not wake up to reality.
All the best to those who have this hope of a One African Country that will solve all problems at once or in some time, but I will continue looking up to God, our Creator, as the only solution to my/our problems.
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Matthew 6:33 +…
Cannot work , atleast, not with the current crop of politicians. So much work needs to be done before we can even start talking African unity gov’t.
#29 I don’t believe in the new world order it’s an mas onic occ ult teaching with no grounding in scripture thats perpetuated by frauds like Alex jones, george orwell , david icke and the likes. Their audiences are mainly misinformed ignorant char latans who don’t open books but spend hours watching youtube videos and then proclaim to have knowledge. The new world order is a occult prophecy to keep people from the real truth i.e the world has always been a one world government system run by the be ast. Ever since the time of Nimrod the cushite the world was under one system . So the reason why you think this is impending is why you are a laughing stock
#29 I don’t believe in the new world order it’s an mas onic occ ult teaching with no grounding in scripture thats perpetuated by fra uds like Alex jones, george orwell , david icke and the likes. Their audiences are mainly misinformed ign orant char latans who don’t open books but spend hours watching youtu be videos and then proclaim to have knowledge. The new world order is an occ ult prophecy to keep people from the real truth i.e the world has always been a one world government system run by the be ast. Ever since the time of Nimro d the cush ite the world was under one system . So the reason why you think this is impending is why you are a laughing stock
We are all conspiracy theorists, we believe what we want to believe, i think it’s freedom of thought.I understand that you’d want to generalize on profession because it’s profession that is the basis on what our society is being modelled, obviously special cases in 3rd world countries. However in this modern age were the tools of communication are everywhere we are recieving more information to formulate our own general concepts. The intelligence of one’s mind can be beneficial to comprehending on a broad spectrum if he’s able to criticise analyse and convince other of his thought.
#33
I will tell you one thing the new world order for luck of a better term is besically changing the way things are being run or the way they have been running for the past daceds because the way of doing things has changed. The world have to change just like you say change with the times. From when men used to wear dress
sorry took long to reply the markets are being funy on me
But there has to be some driving force behind that love it or hate it, it can be the face of Evil hence all the conspiracy and hype
We are truly living in in a remarkable time in History!
#28
You are very right when it comes to europeans,they always identify themselves by their country of origin.The european citizen issue just comes when they are travelling across EU or abroad.These people are distinct but at least they share a common religion.Thats why radicals from Turkey who oppresses the christian Armenians will never be part of the EU
38 Sharp Shooter thanks. There is one thing I have pledged to do in my life, by God’s grace: hold the Holy Bible in my right hand and school books in my left hand.
There is nothing better than this my resolve which emanates from Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Nice enough, God, my Creator, has promised Isaiah 41:10 Fear thou not; for I [am] with thee: be not dismayed; for I [am] thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
By His grace, He will finish: Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy.
38 Sharp Shooter. By His grace, He will finish: Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy. 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Therefore, let us all read the Holy Scriptures and check all world events — especially politics. We have to study culture, history, read world politics in newspapers, and engage in discussions with people from all parts of this world upon every opportunity.
This strategy will open our minds to the various activities that are happening around us and life will be more meaningful — at personal level.
Have a happy Sabbath Day and be blest.
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Matthew 6:33 + KJV Bible
#36 uchipo So the information about this driving force comes from the same driving force and you take it serious. How can you listen to the devil (occult) in your justification of the devil’s works, while conviently ignoring the truth about the last days from the bible. the problem with your conspiracists is you never do research yourself you take opinions from madmen and call it research. The fact that you think the troubles are starting now shows your ignorance to real history your loonatic friend 1984 didn’t even know that Africa is divided and still owned by Rome and yet he is saying let us be wary for they will take africa.
Let me be a loonatic tenfold.
#42
Dont take things plainly as they come i say driving force ie a mangment team, you call it devil (occult) then i take it you dont believe in government systems if world governments who re making things happen you call it devils work should we do away with them then??? Everything you know today is based on opinion you read other peoples writing and make opinion. I never said troubles are starting now but the signs are there. Have you heard how the G8 have decided to help Africa?? do you know that it has been credited to one man dont you want to ask why??? Other people have always called for those masures
Be a loonatic in your own backyard when you bring your ignorance on a public forum it will be challenged. Read the bible and find purpose rather than spout white supremacist prohecies of doom that are demonic in origin. Everytime you spout against a one world government remember this AFrica was conquered by macedonians and romans . the name africa comes from Scipio africanus , read about the treaty of tordisillas . Make use of your life you will never gain anything from spouting rubbish
I saw this thread and knew 1984 would be here, No# 15 1984 is right on target. I am a Christian so you do not get me wrong, but I much prefer a follower of Christ. To each amn and woman, teach your families survival techniques. Trust your common sense that Zambians had up to 1990 when we ousted Kaunda, when we knew the difference between a promiscous woman and a great one; we all did even the promiscous one. The one world order one day shall come, but we can be independent of it. Let them insult us but with a passion we had when we first invented civilisation let us imbrace creativity and not fall inlove with the materialistic pleasures of the west or mystic feelings of the East. No to this evil Fodep and embrace God my people. As Zambians or independent African nations we can work as ants
Abash Fodep and any evil entity, for the want you to loose your freedom which is from within, since they most likely control financial liberty. But there is a way. always.
#43 How old you are not to know the difference between facts and opinions? I state facts you state opinions which are not even yours. GOvernment systems are not even 200 years old and yet you think the driving force is governments. Theres organisations that have power bigger than governments and yet your myopic view only see’s governments
Do not ever be misguided or lied to Religions can not co-exist if they are in that situation then know something catastrophic is brewing, look at what happens every time Israel and Palestine are at a truce; there is elevated fear, mistrust and evil plots at work so as when fighting breaks out it is always terrible to a greater magnitude. Security council my feet, let us Work on re-organising trade as Africans with one another as separate countries the market is their, its only the evil people we put up that hold us back. Think and educate yours, so the can educate theirs and soon the whole nation grows to liberty; should i sing this maybe!
What united Africa? Ni story iyi.It cant work
The Bible talks about the one world order so do not fear it, for God said he shall protect a God fearing people and protect them. Europeans split us up even when we we were still independent black ethnicities get that right. We are from Alkebulan one of the true names of our continent, started civilisation were Pharoahs; read National geo. finally 2008 feb. edition. We helped group Isreal into tribes and set up their judges; we knew God along time ago. I am Christian but I use the wisdom God gave me some time hahahahahahahaha; We were never savages like Vikings and Barbarians, we invented cities, if you want I can educate you all on this its knowledge worth sharing because I know too many Inferiority complex driven, blue eyed blond white woman/man worshipping Zambians. Seek Wisdom blulus
#51 why don’t you go ahead and show us where the bible mentions this one world order
On #47
You argue my case well in your last post so you do realise there is more to the day to day running of a government. am sure then that you have heard of the continuity government. You see no man is bigger than than the government the priciples applied by the “forces” are not applied by every government this is why we keep having conflicts. If the US government was run like many African country there would be more conflict in the world then there is now. I avoided bringing up certain issues but it seems you already know a lot but choice not to accept. You can only do something about it once you realise its there. ie the devil is there thats y u pray
#51
I see you are a believer if you believe in God then you will know these forces are out there
So here I continue, Remember when even in Music like HipHop wise words were spoken until lets say 1994. Then All foolishness was released. How do you explain blkack people becoming dum increasingly, do not get me wrong in tertially education we are succeeding but by adopting Greek myopic (to borrow a phrase from Slum dog above) homosexual based ideologies we shall lose our identity as Africans, Men and women. Get Knowledege but do not loose yourself with Darwinian false hoods, FODEP is init for they money but these people are not seeing that they are trying to lay foundations for their descendants destruction. Turn to God and free yourselves from the clutches of the devil.
#53 The devil has always had a plan but the plan being New world order is what is stupid. Heres why , the origin of the term new world order is from the occult i.e the devil’s work. Imagine this if a thief tells you am coming to rob you at 3:00 am are you going to trust him. It’s stupid and childish to think the new world order is what you need to worry about, what you need to worry about is what the devil doesn’t want you to know. This is why I think all you conspiracy theorists are hoodwinked into a state of paranoia where in the end you will miss the finale .
choose somewhere in the last post not choice
#53 The de vil has always had a plan but the plan being New world order is what is ridiculous. Heres why , the origin of the term new world order is from the occult i.e the devil’s work. How are you going to take a conman’s advice about his con;s. It’s silly and childish to think the new world order is what you need to worry about, what you need to worry about is what the devil doesn’t want you to know. This is why I think all you conspiracy theorists are hoodwinked into a state of paranoia where in the end you will miss the finale .
#54 watch how the believer avoids my question #52. Pretending things are in the bible when they are not is called syncretism. The idea of NWO is from the occult
No# 53 Uchipo says:
Yes my Bululu I know and have known since I gained awaereness that the evils are there, that is one reason why they never want to let Africa out of their cross hairs. We are they last really remaining common sense inlaid people. We want an explanation of why things are what they are. Thus our Grand fathers fought for our independence; one mistake though the regained a level trust of Westerners, that is a no no. Trust then wisely and step back to get a perfect view. They day Africans shall start sky diving in mass for fun, then fear for our continent. They Know our love for God covers us, though poor in their eyes we have one thing that most westerners lack and that is joy. Thanks for knowing the truth and please always pray and repent. Educate your children
#57
You re the one saying the new world order is the work of the devil i just used the word, do not be mistaken no one is saying that the new world order is the end or the begin the point is simply prepare for hard times.
#58 the NWO is in the Bible Revelations when i find my bible i will post it here for you.
No# 58 Slumdog Shalapungu
I was not ignoring you my brother
Revelation 13:7, 8, 11, 16-18 states: “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them; and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundations of the world…”if any man have an ear, let him hear. .. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads; And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast or the number of his name. Here is wisdom: Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast for it is the number of a…
and his number is six hundred, threescore and six – 666
#60 go on and I bet you will claim revelations 13 which I will quickly rebut because the beast mentioned is the roman empire not a government. The NWO is not biblical it’s from an HG wells novel and masonic texts. It’s fraudulent conspiracy theorists that tried to give it credence by saying it’s in the bible to make it seem true. Theres no mention of a one world government, currency or even leader in the bible.
Thanks No# 60 Uchipo I need more people so we educate our country Zambia on living with God. Which means we also study hard, work hard be innovative, repent and pray for ourselves family friends and enemies too. Though praying for enemies can be hard hahahahahahaha.
Koma Slumdog umuyopa Devil @ #57 you write na space ati de vil
Even if it is not the NWO, know this they beast is coming and the only one that shall and always protects us is God. So love Jesus please everyone.
#61 so you are mistaking the beast(ROMAN empire) for the NWO funny. The roman empire rose in 300 BC so if we use your logic of NWO then the NWO started in 300 BC . Also theres nowhere in there that says it will be a one world government with one currency. Nice try but the idea that NWO is in was already debunked . The beast is teh roman empire and the first beast is babylon, the mark of the beast is symbolic and has been around since the time of the beast
The beast is a religious organisation it’s not a government like you lost people think. If the NWO is the beast answer this Daniel 7;25 says the beast shall change the law and times. the law and times were changed in 321 AD and yet you are saying the beast is yet to come. You are lost . You are being bamboozled by this rubbish of the NWO when you are supposed to be looking at something else
Daniel 8: 24-25 says: And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power, and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people…. And through his policy also, he shall cause Craft to prosper in his hand, and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many…. (at this point Daniel faints in verse 7…. So horrible was the vision of deception and destruction which would come upon Israel).
Daniel 11:21 confirms that ” the vile person was not given the honour of the kingdom, but he shall come in peaceably and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.”
You a too narrow in understanding things you believe in your literature a little too much. The difference between humans and everything else is that we always have a choice no matter what its a special gift from God.
Remember it was not the Romans being talked about because those Fellows were crazy the came and conquered mercelessly and with violence it was there nature. So this is yet to come.
Rome was not built in a day. Like what the likes of a, b, c, d etc have said. Start with regional intergration. Eg United States South Africa, United States North Africa etc. Our offsrings will come and continue from where we will end if the Lord tarries.
Uchipo No# 70 thank you for the part in No# Seventy you wrote : The difference between humans and everything else is that we always have a choice no matter what its a special gift from God. Slum dog do not trust Westerners fully give them 40 percent at maximum, infact 30 percent. Remember how they stole our Continent. The Bible and its words were known too us from long ago, we simply became clouded with peganism and lost it because we followed false Gods as Africans??? Thousands of years ago. Ask yourself why we are so intelligent but yet we forget to uplift our own.
You are confusing yourself coz no one here said that the NWO was the beast. i dont know why you keep saying that???????
From what you have posted it appears you think everything evil or whatever it is has past with your roman beast.
#69 you are making me laugh now, taking verses and twisting them to suite your NWO lies. First of all Daniel 8 is talking about a King not the BEAST so there goes your fail. Notice theres no mention of a one world government or one world currency so theres a double fail for NWO lies. Now coming to daniel 11 is talking about the kingdoms of the south( Judah) and kingdoms of the north( israelites) theres a triple fail for you . Theres no NWO in the bible , searching and finding scriptures and twisting them will not turn an occult lie into a truth by YHWH.
#71 the romans butchered over 300 million lives do your research the crusades, inquisitions and other roman wars. The romans are the beast for the simple fact of daniel 7:25 maybe you are confused about history which I don’t blame you cause NWO fans are usually clueless abotu history
Ok now am lost Slumdog do you want the NWO printed in the bible word for word in reference to the beast???? Because there are many evils in this world that you will not be able to even tell what exactly the beast is. For all i know in my opinion the NWO could be a good thing but the motives by the people behind it might be evil you never no dont seat there and think you will get one simple sign that the world is coming to an end. You surprise me it looks like you are reading a book are argueing from it
FODEP should concern itself in matters its compentent, which is election observation. It should not attempt to mislead people on matters it has no authority on. International Relations can not be learnt by reading a chapter in Dabisa Moyo’s book and then claim to be an authority on African Integration and investment. Is FODEP a new ZIMT or NOCE.
BBC, like that old transformers cartoon there is more than meets the eye. We are like ants so we can work hard save for the winter in the summer and exist without this one Africa thing.
#76 the bible gives us EXPLICIT knowledge to know who the beast is .It goes into detail on what , how and when the beast will show and what it will do. It goes as far as telling us where the Beast shall reside(pergamos in rome and mentions a city with seven hills(vatican) and it’s characteristics. When your NWO is lies and doesn’t fit the bill it’s because you together with the NWO are liars. To put it simply you NWO conspiracy theorists are looking with a magnifying glass for evidence on a mountain when the evidence is the mountain. If you want to belive in the NWo fine don’t just lie thats it’s biblical say it’s from the occult(devil’s resources).
No# 75 do you know how many Africans were killed by the Europeans and Americans in the slave years. What happened to our women in those evil years and and how the effeminised and sodomised the men. you wont see this in text books will you? I am not twisting scripture if you wanted I could sit with you, pray and talk like Zambians with no political correctness. Get Uchipo and I correctly infact even 1984 correctly, NWO to us is merely an english statement but know this the Antichrist is soon coming, we need not worry for we have the Lord Jesus to protect us. We are not arguing with you, we want Zambia, Africa infact the world to know the truth. It is ut there in plain site.
Slumdog you live in England, please tell me what the are going to call the UEFA cup this coming season, not the champions league but the UEFA. Trust me we know alot about the rising again of the Roman empire but that is all a part of it we see it every day. Oh! It is now the Europa league, they had to do away with true Followership of Christ in Europe to see these things through, its happening in broad day light, and night too because cu europe culi fwiti zoshupa nako hahahahahaha.
#80 There is no antichrist they are antichrist’S . Read the bible properly and you will see that the word antichrist only appears in the book of john and is used to denote anyone that teaches against christ.
Secondly the romans were responsible for transatlantice slave trade in the 14th century . The person that ordered that africans should be enslaved was Pope Nicholas V through his decree of Dum diversas. Haven’y ou ever asked yourself why the biggest populations of africans outside africa live in catholic countries brazil, south america.
Know your history
My brother I have always known the Romans were crazy, even the Crusades were not for Christianity but a power trip by the pope, but I need your answer on Europa. You say Antichrists yes but you know a bigger evil is to be revealed right? Educate moi some more for I am also quick to listen. Question are you Zambian or African per say?
Do you know that there is an order to remove all religious symbols in public places and just close to home one leader before visiting a uni ask that they remove anything that symbolizes religion.
@79 you seem to have all the details of the where abouts of the beast when i thought the bible says the devil will come like a thief in the night.
I get the impression you are so sure the beast is the catholic church, as for me i will not judge but look for the signs that point to the evil that leaves among us.
No# 82 Slumdog Shalapungu :
Do not fear the devil or man. Because man can only kill you, but fear the Lord our God for he can kill us and take away our souls its biblical. Know this educate your children on how we grew up us the generation of the early nineties, eighties and before. We know truths about morality our young brothers and sisters need today. I hope Uchipo and I have enlightened you on what is being cooked up by our true enemy the devil.
Uchipo is right do not be easily convinced the Catholic church is the beast, fear the Lord God for that is the beginning of wisdom, then all shall be revealed to us thus I study the Bible and let Christ guide me. The puzzle is adding up every day of our lives.
#84 Do you actually read the bible or do you just imagine theres phrases in it? I have noticed that christianity has phrases that float around that are nowhere to be seen in the bible like ‘cleanliness is next to godliness’ SMH
ANyway Revelations 2:12-14 mentions Pergunum as the throne of satan a place ironically the roman empire had strong ties with and took their mother goddess worship from . of course they don’t call it mother goddess worship they call it worship of mary.
#83 I don’t think the evil will be revealed I think it’s has been here for 2000 years . It’s not something that will show up it’s always been here but people chose to ignore it
Also I work hard so as I do not come to poverty, but the fact that we are critically looking at issues gives me hope for Zambia for we are challenging not only the nom but ourselves at the same time. May the Lord God bless us as Zambians in times of stress and in times of plenty.
#85 Uchipo don’t listen to me do your own research on catholic history and the bible and see what conclusion you will come to. Read revelations 17 the bible states clearly who the whore of babylon and what city the whore shall reside in . Also find out what peter called Rome in peter 3:15 and see . And if thats not proof enough read daniel 7:25 and find out what the catholic document of ‘Edict of milan’ in 321AD says .
Slumdog your arguments are educational for it is wise to question, but Uchipo reads the Bible and so do you for I can tell from your reasoning patterns. We ignore phrases, Jesus did not live in Phrases he existed in reality, thus those four thousand and the other five thosand were fed. Even when he was resurrected he cooked braiied or BBQed some great fish for the desciples on the shore.
Guys am off to bed stay well
Good night Uchipo and say your prayers always you too Slumdog. Blessings too in Jesus’s name.
@#90
Before i go the same bible that you are quoting as pointing you to the catholic Church as the beast also says do not judge. The catholic church have done a lot of wrong maybe in the past and present, maybe the same for other religions but they preach the same word of God they teach us to love one another as God loves us, it also says do as i say and not as i do. I am not one to judge other peoples religions because we all look for the same thing only we take different roots to get there.
Good Night and God Bless
ALL I SEE IS TROUBLE IF THIS EVER HAPPENS,92% OF AFRICAN COUNTRIES ARE JUST TOO POOR,IT WILL BE UNFAIR FOR THOSE COUNTRIES DOING MUCH BETTER.IF THIS HAS TO WORK LET EACH OF THE MEMBER STATES ATTAIN CERTAIN ECONOMIC GOALS TO BE A PART OF IT
THIS WILL NEVER WORK,GIVE IT UP AM SURE POOR COUNTRIES ARE THE ONES PUSHING FOR SUCH MAKE YOUR OWN ECONOMIES STRONG AND SEE IT FROM THE RICH COUNTRIES SIDE NOT AMANO YA REAPING WHERE U DID NOT SOW
Africa does not need political integration but economic integration. African countries are too diverse to integrate into one political system.
An integrated economic system like SADC, EAC and COMESA whilst maintaining our own sovereign political systems works. Each African country has got its own unique constitution and this begs the question, how do we politically integrate different countries with different political systems and different constitutions. Who is going to write up the constitution. It cannot work.
We have tried this before. The federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland and it failed. Let us just concentrate on economic integration.
The other question is how will the system of governance be structured like. Will it follow the federal govt model or will it follow the centralization model?
We must not also forget that other countries are dictatorships whilst others are democracies. In other countries, the president is only allowed 2 terms whereas in others, he can contest to stand for unlimited terms.
How are we going to integrate social laws. How are laws based on a christian concept (e.g Making homosexuality illegal) integrate with laws based on Islam (e.g Sharia law)?
It seems people are not asking the tough questions.
We must say no to united states of southern Africa, United states of North Africa, etc.
We must say yes to COMESA, SADC, EAC, etc.
The condition already favor economic integration as well as increased trade.
We have a customs union set up in COMESA.
SADC and COMESA have free trade areas.
EAC will soon have a single regional currency.
All we need to work on is scrapping of Visa’s amongst SADC, COMESA and EAC countries.
Having competing currencies amongst SADC, COMESA and EAC where EAC has it’s own currency, SADC has it’s own currency etc.
The countries that will suffer the most in this union are South Africa, Namibia and Botswana because they have economies that have developed to a lever that is ahead of many African states.
South Africa, Botswana and Namibia will experience population booms because people will flock there to look for better opportunities. This will chock up the infrastructure in South Africa, Namibia and Botswana and will raise up the crime levels as well as give a rise to the formation of slumps. We have seen this in many cities in Africa as people move for greener prospects.
It can also result in social problems as people native to the three countries will feel uneasy with the influx of “foreigners”. I am sure we are all familiar with the xenophobia violence that happened in South Africa some time ago.
The United States of Africa cannot happen in our lifetime. Maybe in our grandchildren’ lifetime considering God lets the earth go on for that long.
Honestly ,how can one support such an absurd idea. African leaders need to sort out their own countries and not go back to that colonialisation mentality. We have enough bright people in Zambia to run our own country Thankyou. leadership of a country is like a father with children…you do not bring up a child by giving it them to someonelse to bring up when you have the ability to do it . As a father you care about that child more and will make wiser decisions and protect their future than someonelse . Each country has different cultures, different religious beliefs, different values and can be best led and represented by its own goverment . This FODEP will not work and would hurt our Zambian indepedence, progress, liberty ,culture and nation.
You characters talking about the Bible. There are many schools of thought, where theology is concerned. Therefore you have to tell which master or school of thought you are following, and then use the materials properly. But all you are doing here is “out do each other”.
This whole thing is academic, African countries nid to put their economies in order by economic intergration thru regional bodies such SADC,ECOWAS, ECEA. U cant toku of United States of Africa when the continent is engulfed by civil strife, human trafficking, wars in DRC. Somalia. Africa should 1st build its economic & military capacity to defend its unity. Already there has bin unwilling among AU member states to interven in Somalia. Its not viable in the next 20 yrs. Some countries are monarchies or kingdoms e.g Swaziland, Lesothoa & Morroco how are they going to fit in. Let leaders dreaming 1st entrench democracy & Gud Governance in their respective countries. Get rid of dictorship, corruption and allow free flow of movement of pipo, gudus & services and break up artifical borders.
Other countries have a very mobile population like West Agfricans and Congolese these will leave their countries in emass and create discontet in their host federal states & sooner than later there ethenic killings like what occured in RSA and this week in China. Regional leaders paly quiete diplomamcy when it comes to dealinmg with hot issues involving their clubmates e.g Zimbabwe, Kenya, Kenya, DRC, Swaziland & Lesotho. There is so much to be done by africans. Whilst the rest of World had made economic strides we have lagged far behind. Afrcia with its best drained by the West is doomed. Can South Africa with its economic muscle agree to be controlled from Tripoli or Cairo. Can Nigereria with its big population and corruption be controlled from Cape Town or Pretoria. Its TIGER PAPERS
People in Africa are still nomads.