Zambians Don’t Care.

1. Its a REPEAT, REPEAT, REPEAT.We have already BLOGGED on this issue.Even if you paint a second hand CAR it is still a SECOND HANDCAR. If you can’t write NEW IDEAS please READ NEW IDEAS. The author got FRIDAY POST,2/07/2010, opinion as his own idea.

2. Just to echo #1’s concerns, it’s an offence to plagiarise i.e. not properly referencing other peoples work (please refer to Intellectual Property Rights on Copyright). Always cite source of info.

3. #1 am sure you are one of the beneficiaries of the abused funds and you want us to keep quiet in the name of we have already discussed the issue. Really? Is that the issue? Have we addressed the issue raised here. Do we exist to just talk for the sake of it and no action? The issue is to see concrete action on these abuses and we shall not keep quite until action is taken even if it means REPEATING AGAIN TWO TIMES TO MAKE IT TWICE on the same issue we shall until action is take. All the scandals reported and no action. Government has been promising action and they just want us Zambians to forget and go quiet. Sorry we are ANOTHER. we wont stop and we shall continue to blog till action is taken

4. There is hope Zambia will become a rich country AGAIN.
   Daniel 4: 33
   And it came to pass,
   That what was said bout
   Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon became real.
   He was driven away from his people and ate grass like cattle.
   His body was drenched with the dew of Heaven
   Until his hair grew like feathers of an Eagle
   And his nails like claws of a bird.
   Isaiah 66: 10
   Rejoice with Zambia and be glad for her.
   INDEED THE LORD WILL DELIVER US FROM THE
   BRUTALITY OF THE MMD
   The MMD is on the run, they are doctoring the Anti Corruption Act in order to protect them selves from prosection, God will not allow this.

5. EDITORIAL COMMENT
   Paying for non-delivered goods and services
   Our attitude towards public property and resources must change.
   There is need for increased respect for that which belongs to the public at large, for public property and resources. We know that it is said “fya boma”, “niva boma” but this doesn’t mean that public property and resources have no owner.

6. #1 comment is pathetic. to you simply because this issue has been “discussed” you want us to through into the trash so you can continue stealing. you are the ppl this article is talking about,you dont care about public property,actually you think its yours and you can use it as you wish. this mmd must be stopped before it kills us all. todays post caries a very sad report about mmd doctoring the law on abuse of office so they can go scort-free when they leave office. we need to examine every move they make. rb,kunda,shikapwasha,muchenga,the list is endless, these must be prosecuted as soon they get out of power. chiluba must go back to court and be imprisoned together with hi stolen wife. MMD will see worse end than UNIP. RB is too pompous,arrogant not to mention foolish.

7. I didn’t know we had such dull thinkers in this country. Surely just because you told your child that it is wrong to insultl the first time, the other times he insults, you just look at him coz you already told him the first time. Come on, its actually people like you the author is talking about. Grow up and think right Chi # 1.

8. Mwenya,you’ve said it as it is,plain and to the point, RB is as hopeless as he’s statements, as for comment #1 st.upidy ignorance and hopelessnes has risen to an all new level,its like a cancer

9. We should take a hard and honest look at ourselves and not only point the finger at government; Zambians have condoned and/or participated in stealing and corrupt practices from private enterprise to government to non profits (NGOs). What has been itemized in the article above is replicated up and down the country, and involves private citizens. The chaps claiming payment for spray-painting and not properly tarring roads are mostly private local firms in collusion with public inspectors and RDA. Some prominent individuals have benefited from Kapoko’s ill-gotten gains, and see nothing wrong with that!
   There are two sides to a transaction. People should learn to put in a hard honest days work and show respect for and strengthen law enforcement agencies and the judiciary. Convict and lock…

10. I want to realy express caution on what the auditors maybe termed us an archivement on there side.Now first of all we want the auditors say money was misappropriated what they mean.You see a person who doesn’t understand these terms may think money was misused.Now lets take for instance a sitaution a an auditor finds that you bought a vehicle for the institution and there is a goods recieved note and only a receipt is not there and he goes to report to say money was misappropiated is that in order.The audtior generals report should be scrutinised in some ways because these are the issues that are painting a picture outside that Zambia is full of thieves and yet its just they way we handle documents.Lets take for instance do you think K1.2 trillion would have been misappropriated and how

11. Isaac Tembo,what you talking about bra…misapplication of funds is one thing,stealing is another,whats been happening in government institutions is stealing and RB as the head of government is responsible thats why Dr Simon Miti wrote a letter to him to spare
    #9 Unsung Sentinel
    spare us the nonsense,what happens in the private enterprises is their business,its neither tax payers money not donor funds,we dont care how you use your paycheque,maybe your spouse/partner does for all we care

12. The auditor general should explain to the people if they say it was stolen is it that the goods where bought and no supporting documents.You see this is our country and even the way we report should be proven beyond resonable doubt that money was stolen.We are raising alarms outside the co that money is being stolen.do we have geneiune reason that maybe a need arose and for the sake of development it was spent on.Lets be careful this is our country.Lets take for instance the issue of Zamtel when Dora was taken to task.You see single sourcing can be accepted provided the company we are buying from has the capacity than to be stingy.Development involves taking quick actions and sometimes it requires to bend the rules for the sake of developments.we can never develop without risks being take

13. If the government was not serious about fighting corruption, then these reports would not be coming out. The POST did not reveal these reports on misappropriation and the like, it was DEC, ACC and Auditors General.

14. Be very careful redcard smooth criminal.you see what we are talking about is protection of a countries reputation.its like in a home where every quarell the neigbours have to hear about it.What is happening is the embarrasment which happend to our former president who was being taken to task over shoes,pants and suits he bought.Now this is our country and its not wise for anything to be put in press.Lets guard our country PLEASE!!!! we are being embarrased in the Post every day and its not healthy

15. The suppliers and contractors that have been fraudulently paid by the ministries of health, defence, higher education, etc in collusion with people in government ARE private enterprises.
    As number 13 has pointed out, let’s therefore strengthen these institutions and have convictions regardless of who was involved.

16. You see Capitalist that is what we are talking about and i do agree with your statement but what is worrying is the issue of anything even a 5pin is being put in the press.We accept the fact that these things are happening but is the press the only media of communication or there are rightful ways which these issues can be resolved.We have now a confusion of now even foreign degnatories being involved.Issues of the bedroom sholud be left in the bedroom and same with our countries issues.We have the courts police and all these scetions and i dont see in the structure of our country where the Post should be a place where issues should come from.Before someone is proven guilty the post starts judging already.we are destroying our country slowly in the name of making business.

17. So we should let people in govnt steal and sweep it under the carpet in order to protect the countire integrity..what integrity is there to protect if its citizens are wallowing in poverty and dying of controllable diseases.Is there any integrity in stealing.whats embarrassing is for health minister to grovel and beg for funds when the president makes unwarranted attacks on the donor community.that is embarrassing,actually there no integrity in begging either

18. #15 Unsung
    I see you are not very well informed..these suppliers who are defrauding the govnt are the very people who work in these gvt institutions,they have private companies,they give themselves contracts and pay themselves for goods and services they did not deliver.Kapoko has a nursing college,miti has some guest hses were all seminars used to take place, and they paid themselves handsomely

19. You see redcard-smooth criminal.do you know that we us Zambian have contributed to poverty.What are we doing to help government archieve its goals.Lets take for instance yourself what have you done to assist this governemnt.Government is working under limited resources and very few are ready to assist in development

20. Maybe you have contributed to poverty,i personally hasnt contributed,the people who have contributed are the ones who have stollen,maybe you have stollen,how else would you claim to have contributed.The only people who i know have contributed are people like kapoko who is a small fish in this tho and people like Michael Mabenga who stole CDF and people like katele kalumba and all the army chiefs who are serving their sentences,people like Gladys Nyirongo,Mrs Mwanza aka mrs chiluba and anyone else who stole or misused public funds

21. Now George Kunda wants to remove an article on Abuse of Office in the ACC Act. George Kunda himself must account for the money to the Task Force, CRC and now NCC. Mwandi Ciz, ulifye bwino.

22. You see Red card you sound to be from heaven and not on earth.Have you ever heard of a perfect government in your life or even a president who is straight.They all have there weakneses but am against concentrating on weaknesses only.Lets take for instance our first president he built schools,university hospitals but do you know that he is the man who was against freedom of expression.he is a man who at one time formed a 1party state but we adore him because even through his weaknesses he built schools.Dr Chiluba is the one who brought freedom of expression which even now am benefiting and a free market where my point is coming from us in Zambians being involved in development thought very few are doing it.So my point is that we should have limits in the way the press is handling issues

23. So lets look at the overral benefit do u know that not all nigerians are thieves but because of the media or the so called Posts we have been built thinking they are all thiefs.In Zambia the Post is busy trying to make sure that every person who comes in Zambia is fed with the thinking that Zambians are corrupt.Now the auditor general is now joining in the race to destroy the testimony of Zambia.We understand there are thieves but you mean we can’t handle these issues without involving BBC the so called Post where these people can just be sorted out inside.It is realy shame on us for degrading our nation where even donors are involved in solving issues of our own.Lets wake up Zambians.

24. Wake up yourself number 23, you have been in a deep slumber?

25. Im finding it really difficult to get your point of view…but reading between the lines,its like you are trying to imply that we shouldnt talk about corruption,the media should not print anything to do with stealing in gvnt.Do you realise that if it wasnt for the POST we wouldnt have known that Chiluba is a THIEF,we wouldnt have known that Mabenga stole Community Development Funds,nor that katele and his friends stole from the poor zambians.The only way these people wil stop stealing is by exposing them,writting about them so that they eventually realise their selfish acts are making zambians more poorer.Like i said earlier,there’s no integrity in being poor,just like there’s not intergity in begging. Its not only in zambia,the whole world thinks nigerians are crooked for obvious…

26. Im off to sleep Isaac,nice chatting with you,,but please heed Miss Pretty’s advice,WAKE UP and smell the coffee

27. @ Isacc. What I hear you talking is that we should be hiding theft or corruption from the public. However, it is the thinking like yours that has led to some of our brothers and sisters to abuse what has been entrusted to them thinking that the public would not know about their deeds. Corruption in what ever form it exists should be exposed. The reason for exposing of corruption is to deal away with corruption and hold accountable the offenders; the reason is not for BBC or CNN to get what is happening in our country. However, in this epoch what happens in one country can never be hidden from another. We are a global village.

28. Blogger # 1 has issues.Nice piece of work Mwenya you have surely hit the nail on top of the head.Indeed it should be a concern of every zambian to make sure that transparence and accountability takes palce in all the government departments.Corruption is a cancer that should not be allowed to keep on spreading….the sooner we act, the better.:-?

29. Zambia oh Zambia, I guess we just have to wait for all these old wigs to die before we can make things right. Isnt it a miracle that when one dies he leaves this earth just like he came, with nothing.

30. The Post editorial about Public property (4 July) has hit the nail on the head. EVERY Zambian must contribute to the care of public property. Cleaners of Government offices who take toilet paper home are just as much thieves as the senior government leaders who stole millions. A secretary who sends personal mail using government stationery is also a thief. The Permanent secretary who phones his wife on personal business using a government phone is also a thief. A Minister who takes his children on joy-rides in government car is also a thief. Thieves are every where. If the President also goes on holiday and spends the time with his children over 18 years old at state expense, that is also theft. Faithfulness starts with little things!

31. Information. That is the bedrock of development in this century. The reason most Zambian’s SEEM not to care about public wealth is that the majority have no access to information. And by information, i don’t mean just lists of stolen money. Information that links thefts and abuse of public resources and wealth to the resulting lower quality of life. They fail to see the link between the deaths of those close and dear to them on the poorly maintained roads to the MMD government corruption in road construction and maintenance. Between the poor health care and deaths and the thefts of health fund by MMD government health officials. I can go on.

    An uninformed mind is gullible. This is why its easy for the MMD corruption machine to steal elections on the Copperbelt while it just takes a…

32. Cont’d:

    An uninformed mind is gullible. This is why its easy for the MMD corruption machine to steal elections on the Copperbelt and Lusaka while it just takes a few packets of sugar to take constituencies in poor, information-starved rural areas.

33. Correction:

    This is why its NOT easy for the MMD corruption machine to steal elections on the Copperbelt and Lusaka while it just takes a few packets of sugar to take constituencies in poor, information-starved rural areas.

34. Dear LT,

    Its good that you have allowed this article to be published. Thank you for showing us that you’re seeking to be balanced now.

    Keep it up!

    People need to hear from both the government and the opposition (private or otherwise).

35. But this article lists about 7 points citing Govts’ aggressive activity in fighting the problem of stealing of public funds. If this is the case, the Govt is doing a good job and donors need to appreciate the efforts made to use their funds prudently.

36. If anyone of you know what RB has stolen please tell Fred Mmeembe to write about it without fear or favour.Much of Post pepala writing is very speculative and has very little or no merit at all.All the reports about misappropriation of funds in GRZ departments/ministries has come out from GRZ isnstitutions ,if RB was corrupt as you allege you chaps he would have put very compromised people in these strategic instutions so that they can be sweeping the evidence under the carpet to protect the establishment.Thieves are everywhere including in developed countries .Crimes are committed even by very rich people as most of you know this.Some of the AG reports stretch to Levy ‘s era which the Post did not report because of their agreement with plot one at that time.Open your eyes you chaps.

37. Yaya
    Not so fast! wait till his immunity is lifted,ask chiluba,he dared the POST and took them to court,he will live to regret it all his life

38. LT this is the best you have done since I started blogging on this site by publishing this article. Basically, in the past you just became a web site for Daily mail, Zanis and Times. Balancing up is good. Every Day, I but DailyMail and Post or visit CNN and Aljazeera sites, so that i can read both sides of the story and decide for my self.

39. Isaac Tembo, I totaly agree with you certain things need to be dealt with internally without the whole world knowing. But, I have to tell you two things and you listen to be cafefully, I know you are not in Zambian and you dont follow the happenings here. One, Its not always the POST who who tell the whole world, especially the past 2 years. ACC, Former Task Force, Auditor General, DEC and Police are the one who had joined press conference on Kapoko Case and invited the media. Even the recent, 2bn claim for the goods which where not supplied, it was ACC. RDA its not the POST. Am not defending, they also had the share of guiltiness. But of late, its the Govt institutions who like running to the media, so that they show the donors that they are doing somethings to fight corruption.

40. Contd
    Two, the reason why everyone run to the media to have these corruptions or abuse of office exposed, is the lack of confidence in the Govt to deal with them. KK, used to keep everything within the bedroom, but he used to fire the corrupt officials.A lot of ministers or Parastal Directors used to get fired without the public knowing why. And thats the Govt where you keep quiet, because you know the head is in control, Alas, our current Govt if you keep quiet, they will pretend all is well, Just imagine without the POST, Musonda could be the deputy minister and Dora minister of transport. In short, its only through media that we keep the fight against corruption alive. WE HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE.

41. Why is PF MP Mark Mushili mentioned in this article, he allegedly abused his own company’s money, not donor or GRZ money.

42. Contd

    Just imagine the Govt who think and believe, that the abuse of office is not the offence should be removed from the LAW of Zambia (ACC ACT). Do you think that govt can do anything if you keep quiet? To them its normal to steal and no one should be taken to court. I CRY FOR THE BELOVED ZAMBIA

43. Advisor, Capitalist, Senior Citizen, Bootlicker Mwata – You are one person and want to steal space as if you are many. This is how MMD rigs elections. No matter what you do we shall re-do the constitution and put you behind bars for treason. Removing an arcticle that protects the country from plunder just to protect thieves is treason of the highest kind.

44. You see Hangandu the reason am condeming the issue of using the press is what is worring.Issue like the way the auditor general is doing.You see the auditors are there to help have a clean system.When an auditors discovers that goods where not supplied why not follow up the suppliers and collect the goods and not coming to the press to talk about the issue

45. 44 has some valid points on certain aspects, what we must avoid is to try people in newspapers! The Post has contributed to bring out some issues but sometimes the stories are so one sided that the accused are always ”convicted” before their appear before the courts.

46. @44 Isaac Tembo and 45 Chilufya Chileshe:

    The bottom line is whether YOU actually and sincerely want corruption to be reduced. If you do, you will be thankful for the checks and balances the media has been providing. For playing their role in exposing corruption.You would not be wanting to hide information. We are not naive. Anyone who wants corruption stamped out knows transparency is the only way now.

    I’m sure the likes of you would agree with VP Kunda that we need to modify the ACC Act in order to sweep all these atrocities under the mat. You – like the VP – are the cancer of this nation.

47. And its funny that the MMD trolls on here crying about The Post being unfair and biased are not expressing the same concerns for the state media outlets – Daily Mail, Times of Zambia, ZNBC – that perpetuate the MMD government lies and do their level best to hide and play down corruption allegations.

    It is treacherous behavior to say the very least.

48. Pact you are missing the point.Fighting corruption doesnt mean coming in the media about what we found another person doing.You see what is hapening is lack of professionalism from the auditor general and the Post.If you where found in the act or someone was suspecting that you are stealing should that person publish that before the courts of law does its work.We have a situation where the auditor general goes in the press talking about what they found to have been missappropriated and yet we have the courts of law and police.You see what this is doing to our country is destroying the image of our country.Now will have the world having an understanding that Zambia is full of corrupt leaders which is not the case.Even if misappropriation was done those people should be given chance to de

49. You see pact even yourself you are not perfect but if people where just publishing anything they discover that you have done wrong without involvement right people who can handle you it can bring in unfair treatment on you.For instance when people hear that you stole something minus proof and they rush to the media to say we suspect that Pact stole would that be fair on you.The issue here is that if the so called people stole why not give chance to the courts of law to do there work and follow case on how the judgement will be and make a fair judgement based on that and now the press can come in.Every individual is supposed to be given chance.

50. Isaac Tembo,

    The huge mistake you’re making is assuming we actually have the so called “right people” to look into issues and confirm whether the allegations are true or not. Currently, all the institutions are corrupt and only act because of media pressure. Simple example is the case of Dr Musonda’s alleged attempted murder. Its not corruption but it shows how things work in Zambia.

    I’m surprised that it bothers you that allegations of public theft and misappropriation are made public. At the point of the publication, they are ALLEGATIONS for which the public officers should answer. That is why those offices are called PUBLIC offices. They are employed by the people and the people of Zambia need to know everything that is happening – including when huge sums of money go…

51. We are a country of well educated people but we don’t understand all there’s about being aducated let alone understanding of accountability and unity. Education tells me that if we stand united, we can achieve a lot. We must have a common goal to get where we want to be. The problem we have is that there is too much individualism implanted in our pea brains. As such we are unable to make progress. It must be everybody’s responsibility to participate in correcting the wrong doings of others. In short, if you notice that someone is misappropriating funds, report it to high authority for investigation. Do not turn a blind eye and look the other way. Burrying the head in sand will not help us either. It is our country and we must do what it takes to devlop it (Hard work).

52. I’d advise donors to stop giving aid to Africa and Zambia in particular so that the leaders can be more responsible and stop behaving like 6yr olds squandering money at the expense of citizens paying tax. Aid only kills productivity and creativity in Zambia. The government does nothing but waits for donors to donate. The heck is wrong with some/most African leaders, what’s wrong with this race? We were knocked out of the world cup because we are too lazy, we are still lagging far much behind in terms of development. An example of Japan; it used the donor fund well in the 1960s and now it’s one of the world’s greatest donors, why? Because their leaders were always doing things for the benefit of the Japanese people and not the leaders benefits.What goes on in a mind of a patriotic…

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