A senior citizen in Mongu district Evans Musialela has charged that both government and the Barotse Royal Establishment have failed to amicably resolve issues surrounding the Barotseland Agreement of 1964 hence the need to involve a third party which is the international community.
He was reacting to a statement issued by Justice Minister Sebastian Zulu which appealed to the people of Western Province to stop agitating for the secession of the province from Zambia.The statement also said that the Barotseland Agreement is a sensitive issue will bring a lot of implications in terms of boundaries.
Musialela said the people of Western province are not seceding but reverting to the original state of being Barotseland.
“We are not seceding but simply reverting to our original state before we signed the Barotseland agreement in 1964” said Musialele.
Speaking in an interview today Musialele noted that there was no need for the two authorities to dialogue on the Barotseland Agreement 1964 because its sensitivity vanished when it was abrogated by successive Zambian governments since 1969.
Mr. Musialela said the people of Western Province are no longer interested in being part of Zambia saying government has failed to provide leadership on the matter.
He further said the people of Western Province will dialogue with the Zambian government at the right time with their terms and conditions of independence and under an independent arbitration.
“We resolved that we have a dispute with the Zambian government since we declared a dispute with the Zambian government we have failed to resolve this matter therefore we need someone to stand in between us” he said.
Just go back to Swaziland.One Zambia, One Nation. One nation, One Leader. And that Leader. Doctor Ukwa, Wamuyaya Lesa a pale.
I am wondering what the law enforcement agencies are doing up to now to let people like Musialele to talk like that; ngamwabalekelela balatumba! sha!
Please just say the Lozis and particularly the Litunga family ”are no longer interested in being part of Zambia ” and not people of western Province, why cant you get that into your hard skull? The Mbundas and Nkoyas have made it very clear, they are not part of the BNC resolutions, then which people of Western Province are you talking about?
Tribal hegemony
PLZ BAROTSE, AM WITH YOU LET US JUST BEAT THEM….. LET US FIGHT THEM WITH THEY MAD PRESIDENT UKWA,,,I LOVE U BAROTSE PIPO….WE BAROTSE GOVERNMENT WILL SHALL NOT SIT DOWN AND BEING RULED BY ZAMBIAN GOVERNMENT…WE SHALL FIGHT TILL THE END.. I WILL NEVER FALL IN LOVE WITH A ZAMBIAN GAL BUT KA BAROTSE GAL AKASUMA
THANK YOU
If she is equally an ***** like you, good luck
police arrest these chaps they have no ryt to answer back to our ministers….arrest them already
They have no right to answer back to our ministers… you are the kind who make these ministers feel like they are demi gods. Who do you think a minister is, that no one can reply when they run their mouth, spewing nothing significant?
Ask the President of the most powerful nation on earth and he will tell you what it is like to rule a country with so many conflicting interests breathing on your neck. Democracy wasn’t easy; even the kind we practice was never supposed to be easy.
He is a government failing to govern over a 12 million population… Obama would have addressed the nation by now through State of the Union. There’s currently no leadership in Zambia and citizens might as well provide their own leadership.
Freedom of expression!!!Pliz
its time the loziz to zip it on this mater!!n they have no arm so they cant even be rebels!!!!if they kip burking like this this may led to lozicide( a term i made up for wipping out alll the lozis on the earths surface!! that will be terrible!!!
Why waste time involving the international comunity on a useless bantustan problem, like the BA64. If you Lozis want, do that on your own, but rest assured that we wont tolarate anymore nonsense from you *****s. Zwa BA64!!
Kinako – I think Zambia (UKWA) our neighboring country should come out in opening and give us our mandate to govern ourselves. Mbunda know for sure that the BA64 is real and the most important document of the constitution of Zambia. The Barotse currency and the budget is already up and will be running very soon. KINAKO
Since the MMD lost elections last year, I have not read any item from MMD chiefboot leaker and Senior citizen, I am particularly interested to hear what the two have to say on this issue of the barotseland. You guys where are you?
“We are not seceding but simply reverting to our original state before we signed the Barotseland agreement in 1964” said Musialele. I think ignorant people should not open their mouths and prove their ignorance. Before signing the BA64, Barotseland was a British Protectorate within the international boundaries of Northern Rhodesia governed from Lusaka. Is this man now saying they’re now a British Protectorate again? Since Northern Rhodesia is no longer there, in which countrys’ international boundaries are they? Are they now going to be governed from Lusaka by the British government? Are they gonna ask the British to send a Governor-General to Lusaka to govern them as was the case before the BA64? So many questions and no clear answers.
This clearly shows that not many Young / Modern LOZIs (Zambians) would want this to Happen, it’s an issue which these selfish elders should just put to rest. We are one Zambia One People. THANK YOU Educated LOZIS FOR not supporting this nonsense.
Most lozis are not supporting this nonsense people behind are UPND supporters coz they think HH would rule Barotse.Bantustan zoona are loosers!!!
interesting request. who should be looking for a third party: BNC [not loziz] or GRZ?
Just ignore them or let them live under police or military supervision. They will learn the lesson better.
Hunt down the leaders of the BNC one by one
Where is RB?
so ka k100 milliion ba RB used to give ba litunga monthly.tabalesokola ba pf thats why ba litunga want to secede from zambia
Asking foreigners to attend to our matters is stupid and insane. We have all seen how foreigners have climbed onto matters and rush onto wars because they have industries that thrive on wars and mass-killings. We must deal with our own issues on our own. Sata must wake up and get the Lozi chiefs to a meeting including all other Paramount Chiefs, so that there is peace in Zambia. I also think that the MMD are behind these rabid demands from the Lozis, because some of the people making these demands were in government until a few months ago when the MMD lost the general elections.
One Zambia, One Nation.
Iwe Litunga can you stop this nosense at once, i have just joined a mining company here on the copperbelt and enjoying myself.Can the govt punish this selfish Litunga am a Lozi enjoying copperbelt life which i never enjoyed when i was in Lozi land,you want these pipo from Copperbelt to rise against us out here,are you going to protect us and our families.STOP THE NOSENSE AT ONCE PERIOD.
This Barotse nonsense again can someone shut these manguams up we are tired of your jokes its now annoying.
What’s this I hear now? Ati International Community?
This is now evolving from a national insurgency into an international tragicomedy. As if the American don’t have enough worries with their dying dollar and shaking economy? As if the Europeans don’t have enough worries with restructuring Greece and saving the Euro? As if the Russians, Chinese, Japanese and others have nothing else to do but to meddle into a domestic squabble in an African country?
There is an unspoken truth about the International Community that this Mongu senior citizen seems not to know: as the world stands, the strong nations will always do what they can and the weak nations will suffer what they must!
Welcome to reality, Bo Musialele.
Senile citizen or plain senior citizen?
Someone please discipline this bastard before the fake international community moves in. You know there are natural resources in western province. Selfish *****.
@8 please note that Barotseland joined Northern Rhodesia via the Lawley treaty of 1909. This treaty and others before and after it were observed by the colonial authority up to independnce and hence Baro remained part of NR. At midnight 24/10/1964 all treaties concerning position of Baro in respect of NR terminated (plse read para 4 of preamble to BA’64) and were substituted by the BA’64. ie, When the previous treaties (including Lawley) terminated Baro was detached from NR, but was included in Zambia by the BA’64. So when the BA’64 was terminated Baro reverted to its position as obtaining at midnight 23/10/64, ie out of NR but not joined to Zed because BA’64 is invalidated.
It is not the govt but you people who are selfish who feel you should oppress those you live with . i just wonder wether western province belongs to lozis a lone, if there are other tribes why not allow them also to have a voice, if they have their chiefs why tramp on them for your benefit
Sorry, my last input @23 is intended for Ricky Bobby @ 10.
Fun as he may sound he actually has a point to call for international intervention before blood is spilled. With all the hatred displayed here (apparently without any apparent reason), I wouldn’t be surprised if conflicts start. Often times international community play catch up and intervene too late, always after the fact. They need to play preventative pre-conflict resolution, not always coming after war crimes have been committed.
Can someone please explain why bloggers keep saying let’s go and kill and exterminate Lozis? What crime have they committed other than calling for the restoration of Barotseland?
Blogger ‘Muntu yo munsu’ said BA’64 doesn’t call for secession, just like it doesn’t call for abrogation!
Cowards,they are speaking with NRCs,passports and Zambian documents in there homes,stop wasting our time bo chaps.Even dead woods like Masheke can now stand up and bark,Zambia made this chap,army commander and prime minister and he lamentably failed to provide leadership.Let the young vibrant Zambain lozis prosper and live their lives in peace,do not contaminate them with your tribal venom.
No need for insults and threats. Only shows that the majority are not reasoning. Convince the other side with solid evidence and facts. Ridicule, insults and threats have never convinced anyone, and are not admissive to dialog. Let us discourse.
Why cant we remove the district and provincial boundaries to prove that we are one nation? The way things are, we are divided. Pf is a bemba party and already we are seeing development taking place in its strongholds. Let us see a grz university being builty in each province at the same time then no one will doubt our unity. otherwise,the lozi have a good reason to restore BAROSE
Kinakoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
@ Nine Chale true words. It’s time this little problem got solved once and for all. One Zambia One Nation. That it shall stay, call in the internationl community my foot. They same people that killed 100 million Africans? Divided the continent into countries really?
let’s all pray work hard and move on with our lives.
PIPO PLS STOP THE NONSE!!!!! I JUST GOT MY BEATIFUL LOZI WIFE,WHATS WRONG WITH BNC K100M,SHHHAAAA!!
Its sad that the lozis have continued to ignore the difference between barotseland the protectorate,western the province and lozi the tribe.i pity lozi the tribe for starting something that they will soon regret and wont be able to finish. Let all the lozi parliamentarians,ministers and those holding senior GRZ positions state their position on this matter other than wait till they loose their positions and then behave like sinyinda
Are we still talking about this? I grow tired of this. WHAT DO THEY WANT?
In one sentence they say they don’t want to secede, on another, they want a third party to intervene … in what? What do they want?
Do they want us to rename Western to Barotse?
Continue paying zmk 100 million?
WHAT?
Stu pyd aba abantu. Please discipline ’em before they get out of control
The massive amount of data that has been tabled by the Barotse Royal Establishment, the Mbunda Writers Association and the Nkoya Royal Establishment is more than adequate for the Barotseland issue to be resolved by Govt and the principal stakeholders (Chokwes, Lozis, Mbundas, Nkoyas) in Western Province. This is an in-house issue that can be dealt with nationally, and NOT internationally. The diversity of interested parties must articulate issues intelligently and maturely to come up with a lasting solution..
The BER64 is just another hogwash strory. The agreetment was signed by the most educated chief at the time on behalf and without consultation with other chiefs. Today chiefs are more enlightened. How can any reasonable person spend time and money on a dead issue? Was Mwanawina even going to draft that document without copper in the Lamba land!
This issue doesn t even require international solution,the moment you make i international that will be the beginning of problems.The Lozis dont understand it,the rest of Zambia dont know what to make of it,what more outsiders.To say the truth,this agreement is just a load of written sentences meaning nothing.We might as well start calling for the restoration of Noerthern Rhodesia,since the two became extinct in 1964
Sorry we the British people have more important matters to attend to at the moment.Maybe The US might ignore its own economic woes and give these cry babies a 2 second attention.I don’t see David or Obama dropping all just to appease a medieval tribal gathering.
There are more important life threatening situations like what is going on in Sudan at the moment where rebels have forced civilians to hide in the rocks.I was so broken to see a mother holding a new born baby who I don’t even know if he is still alive today.
Do you guys watch world news or are you so engrossed in this this pride of a tribal kingdom that you have stopped appreciating peace?
You are failing to realise that at one time those places were just as ‘normal’ as the situation we have in Zambia… things were left to get out of control.
Frankly there’s no point on getting ‘broken’ when you or someone else could have paid attention much earlier and prevented that situation from happening. Every conflict started from peace (if you you know what I mean).
You and your kind are spewing so much hatred (just scroll up and read your kind’s comments) and ignoring this issue until it becomes another ‘Sudan’ will be too little, too late.
Only senior citizens are calling forn br64. Bad example for unity among the young generation. Teach the young lozi to sell themselfs to all tribes and win to lead this country as president. Encourage MPs to demand for development their areas. Two examples come to mind Choma namwala road and mtanda chavuma road where the roads became topical for years until they were done. Even the current President tried and tried until he made it. The economy is small for competing needs countrywide. Lozis should not choose a short cut.
Thousands of youths are behind BNC.vist barotseland and findout how pipo there hate zambia!as for police they will never arrest anybody in Barotseland,if it was luapula province or any,some could hv being in cells the very same day of decralation.ask them wy no arrests,simple Barotseland is a nation on its own thats BNC-N for National, full stop.BAROTSE IS NOW FREE!!!!
Nshilimubemba, ure stupid, we have explained so much on this blog, u dont seem to get it. What is that Lozi tribe u are talking about? Nshilichishilu, can you point at any person you know in your country Zambia, who is a Lozi? Hurry up! Just say yo government has failed. Leave us to go! Why do u hold in to people u hurt, u cud have been happy to c us going. KIBALE BAZOYA
EVEN IF U DONT LIKE US, LT PLZ WE BEG WRITE OUR NAMES CORRECTLY. MUSIALELE, WHAT A HELL IS THIS, IN SOME COUNTRIES U CANT DARE SPELL SOMEBODY’S NAME LIKE U HAVE DONE.
So that they come and loot our resources in the name of conflict resolution!!! One Zambia One Nation!!1
One of the tragic thing in life is to analyse data before one collects data, its termed as Garbage In Garbage Out (GIGO). Most people debating do not even realise that Barotseland has existed for more than 400 years, the first concession King Lewanika signed with the British South Africa Company (BSA) was signed in the name of Barotseland as the other party. Northern Rhodesia itself signed the Barotseland Agreement 1964 with Barotseland and not Western Province as Zambians would like to call the land of the Lozi. Lozi is a Nation made of 38 tribes, so when you call me a Lozi or Barotsean you are actually referring to my Nationality and not my tribe. So people should stop exhibiting their ignorance before the international community. If one has no facts simply ask from those who know.
people of barotseland eg tonga lunda luvale chokwe etc lets unite and take our land look the whole govt is one tribe
its true musialela statement is correct we are getting our land by all means.guns,bombs etc will be used .its like the govt is joking.just wait
MR PRIME MINISTER WAINYAE SINYINDA PLEASE DONT ALLOW TO BE BOUGHT BY ZAMBIA .THE BOUNDARY IS CLEAR ,COPPERBELT,NORTHWESTERN,WESTERN,SOUTHERN,CENTRAL,LUSAKA AND OTHER REGIONS.MANY SOLDIERS AND POLICE AND CIVILIANS SUPPORT THIS… WE SHALL CONQUER ITS JUST ONE WEEK . LOOK FOR BOMBS IF THE GOVT STILL PLAYS.ITS EASY TO DEFEAT WE SHALL SACRIFICE OUR LIVES TO GET OUR BAROTSELAND.SATA WILL BE PRESIDENT FOR NORTHERN PROVINCE
TORTURING OF KAOMA DETAINEE THE POLICE YOU MUST NOT TAKE BAROTSELAND LIGHTLY AND YOUR JUDGES IN KAOMA AND LUSAKA ONE DAY A BOMB WILL LAND IN POLICE CAMPS AND ARMY CAMPS SERIOUSLY.AM MORE THAN READY TO KILL THE JUDGE TRYING THESE DETAINEE
GADDAFFI WAS OVERPOWERED AND SUDAN DID IT LETS UNITE TO GET OUR LAND FROM THIEF KAUNDA AND HIS BEMBA.HOW CAN THE CRY FOR OUR LAND?ALL COWARDS WILL BE KILLED.MR NGAMBELA GO TO AMERICA AND BRITAIN TO GET GUNS WHY WASTING TIME TO BEG OUR LAND .TONGAS,LUVALE.KAONDE,LUNDA,SOLI, LENJE.CHOKWE ETC LETS GET OUR FROM THIEVES GOVERNMENT OF BEMBAS.ALL POSTS FOR BEMBAS SEE
the boundary is luangwa the only way to settle the issue is to borrow guns from M23.HOW CAN WE BE RULED IN OUR LAND?
REAL MEN AND WOMEN MUST STAND TO GET OUR ORIGINAL LAND WAR MUST BE USED IF ARBITRATION COURT FAIL AT UNITED NATIONS