The Pentecostal Assemblies of God (PAOG) in Southern Province has resolved that article 97 (1) of the draft constitution should set the maximum age limit for qualification for nomination to the office of the President.
PAOG Southern Division Executive Secretary Smart Kobela said since the constitution sets the minimum age for qualification for nomination to the office of the President, it was only right for the same article to set the maximum age limit for qualification for nomination to the same office.
This follows the Provincial Consultative Forum for church leaders and members held in Livingstone recently.
In a statement released to ZANIS in Livingstone yesterday, Reverend Kobela said setting a retirement age for public officers and not to have an age limit for political leaders who worked in government offices was tantamount to double standards.
He further said Article 251 on retirement of public officers should be maintained at 55 years as adjusting it to 60 years would stifle infusion of innovations and skills and restrict youths from joining the public service sector.[pullquote]Reverend Kobela said setting a retirement age for public officers and not to have an age limit for political leaders who worked in government offices was tantamount to double standards[/pullquote]
“In order to allow for infusion of innovations and skills, the retirement age should be maintained at 55 years since most youths have expressed concern that pushing the retirement age to 60 years shuts them out of public service jobs,” he said.
And on article 87 (1) which talks on representation of gender, youths and persons with disabilities, Reverend Kobela said PAOG resolved for the article to reflect the African Union and SADC protocol which has set thresholds for gender representation.
“We call for this article to be written to reflect the African Union and SADC protocol which has set thresholds for gender representation and as such, minimum percentages of selected women candidates should be indicated,” he said.
As for the Declaration of Zambia as a Christian nation, Reverend Kobela said a resolution was made for the declaration to be retained in its current form.
“The declaration of Zambia as a Christian nation should be retained in its current position and in view of this, we demand that the resolve that the country is multi-religious contradicts the declaration and should be removed in the constitution’s preamble and from article 4:2,” he said.
The Provincial Constitution Consultative Forum for Church leaders and members was organized by PAOG in partnership with Patriots Worldwide who distributed copies of the draft constitution and discussed key issues that need to be included in the final constitution.
ZANIS
Wow! Ba pente saying something meaningful at last.Glory to God.
ala chakupapa!!!!
HH has gone to the pentencostal to try and include another clause targeting an individual in the constitution. We do not want clauses targeting individuals. Sata is old so we do not want him blocked over his old age just like we do not want the parantage clause put in to bloack KK, Degree clause etc. Theft of motor vehicle should be bailable this was for Matriboy.
You are a fool and a hater!
Bravo HH. I did not know you are that powerful as to even influence the church. Cheers to you
35 to 55 wont be bad, old folks should go to the farms leave room for others
its not about blocking any body but I do agree we need a physically fir president who is as energetic a a bull not one who will spend most of his time visiting specialist doctors abroad. we have paid for this and ghana is paying for this. we need a president who is not more than 70years and should be physically fit.
So one can be physically fit and not memntally fit to be a president?
tongas
One qalification for a president must be that he shoud be able to do atleast 20 push ups
Nice one Engineer
sata can do 50
CNP you wish, the smoke tat can come out of him, na chimney baibepeshafye
55yrs retirement age is ok not 65
ma rabbish
@4 please complete your suggestion with criteria for physical fitness, without refering to bulls.
Also include passing medical test on fitness, if a candidate has fatal/life threatening ailments like high BP, advanced internal organs illnesses and terminal cancer, they should not be allowed to stand as doing so will be detrimental to their health because the position of President is very stressful. Nothing discrimatory here, but just being realistic.
There is a silent clause in the constitution that will always work. No bulls in state house.
True true
its only in Africa where someone can stand for elections at 74 and later to be elected. this is selfishness, greedy, stupidity, nosense and lack of knowledge on the part of the voters.
The 40th US President Ronald Reagan was almost 70 years old when he was elected to his first term as President. He was born Feb 6 1911, and sworn in as President on Jan 20, 1981. On February 6, 2011, America celebrated the 100th birthday of Ronald Reagan, whose presidency is a touchstone for the modern conservative movement.
In 2011, it was virtually impossible for a major Republican politician to succeed without citing Reagan as a role model. He is credited for breaking the Iron Curtain leading to the fall of USSR, bringing the thrill back especially American Exceptionalism.
He holds the third-highest approval rating among presidents of the past 50 years, behind John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton. He was almost 78 when he left office leaving America better than he found it.
Rubbish
Retirement age should actually be over 60 years of age to increase economic productive of the country! and I feel the presidential age at 35 , is it? is a fair bet!
At-least there is some sense coming out of the southern province ka…
Why not including also provision for the Politicians to be put on minimum wage and watch how fast things change=))=))=))
Such will continue to be a fallacy
Whoa ba pentes.Can they give an example of any country with maximum age limit? Desperation in some opposition will finish them. That doesn’t make sense at all. Usually wisdom is only found in old people coz of experience of life. What young Zambians should do is to keep themselves away from HIV/AIDS and keeping fit .Otherwise, we’ll all be wiped out. The way I’ve seen life in Zambia, very few people will reach 60 if the same attitude of lack of exercise continues in Zambians. Most Zambians don’t know what to eat n how to keep fit especially people in towns. What they know is eating and drinking bear. Can u live longer like that? Hell noooo u’ll jst die in 40s.This is why people dying young in zed is very normal. Let us wipe HIV out n keep ourselves fit than blocking old people.
#8 Fyabukaya,
Yours is the most meaningful comment so far, medical checks are vital. It doesn’t make sense to adopt for the presidency someone who has been an alcoholic and chain smoker all his life because he will not stand the pressures that go with this job.
Discrimination. If employers discriminate against any one’s age then you condemn the old folks to languish in poverty. Don’t care about presidency as long as you have a person with a sound mind. I have seen the uneducated, both young and old who are *****s, I have seen the educated young, immature, foolish and good at stealing and misappropriation of government resources, I have seen old, highly sexualized and corrupt, I have seen the opposites of such descriptions too. So, just going for the young may not be your solution. We need them all, but not all will be good. Just elect anyone who is popular. He can’t be popular for nothing.
OKEY THAT IS RIGHT. TWALABIKA 95 YEARS MAXIMUM AGE SO THAT WE WILL NOT BLOCK SATA THE MAN OF ACTION.
As long as he/she is of sound mind with good and popular judgements and indeed with good standing in the eyes of the electorate, vote for the 95 year old President. Logic will indicate to you that 95 years old man or woman may not be that active but will rely on advisors, if thats your choice.
Even North Korea has a young leader.
well,,,,these are hh supporters….if this suggestion came 4rm another province it was goin to make sense…..not southern province ….it is sidelined
Men/women of the pulpit should concentrate on doing what they know (ideally) best, bearing testimony of the Lord Jehova God Almighty.
The draft constitution should stand the test of time. When proposing changes, think about your grandchildren using this same constitution.If you propose something because it will benefit you in the next 5 to 10 years, please keep your changes to yourself.That said, setting a maximim age on the president’s age makes sense – there’s a minimum age, there must be a maximum! It is a civil servant position, perhaps civil servant restrictions should apply.
Pastor, not reverend. A home- brewed pastor without formal training. In a church, in Southern province, obviously sponsored and engineered by HH.
Wrong! Don’t talk about what you do not know.
Revd Smart Kobela is a Theology Degree graduate, and I happen to have been his lecturer in his last two years of training.
My academic credentials: PGCert, MTh.
The Pentes want to make noise also, how was old Ronald Raegan when he became a President? there should not be a limit as long as one has a sound mind. HHA is Seventh Day Advt. I do not he is Pente?
How old is Charles Taylor? What did he do? Is that got to do with age? What age was Ronald Regan when he ruled USA, What age was Margerat Thatcher when she ruled Britain? Comparisons of different presidents, old and young, will indicate to you that old guys have wisdom to hold a country together for a common purpose. Althought some could be thieves of their own country resources old guys have the wisdom and especially that their end of life is near they would work for the good of their country. The young presidents will end up plundering a country’s wealth and keep the loot in developed countries’ banks. Trust the old, they have wisdom to build Zambia. They are there not for the sake of it even though some old guy enforced corruption, the worst of its kind!
@#2 why my friend you are always againest HH,and every time our president we voted also every minute tolking only about triblism,RB is triblism,HH is triblism is that new type of politcs?but have you head HH even oneday tolk about triblism?you know my friend education is important,let us who haven’t been to school give chance to you who have been to school to rule this country,becoz i am just grade 6.but you,you masters/digree are we the same?but for me to be open we have failed to rule and if i know that the type of man i vote is like this if i don’t.but for me now 2016 am coming back again to vote,sata let me tell you,for me and my family no more our votes.lets education people to rule over us.thanks guys bye.
He is one of the Tonga cockroaches. kill the cockroaches!
@ #25 mwata: don’t be bothered about these hypocrites. The new term now is tribalist(T) and real tribalist(RT). Sata and his backers are the RTs while HH/RB and their backers are Ts.
This is uncalled for and absolutely rubbish calls……
It is interesting that this proposal is coming the PEntecostal Church, Southern Province region, does this in a way reflect more of the prevailing political views in that area and not necessarily some theological or spiritual persuaion???
Be it as it may, I hope the proponents are aware that even the so called young politicians we have are also aging, going by dwindling political fortunes, by the time they are able to garner national political support, some of them will have even outgrown that limit. Besides, Presidency is an executive position which requires wisdom more than technical skills. Wisdom, generally comes with experience and therefore age, not always, tho. So good luck, but dont tailor clauses around individuals, experiences telkls us it is suicidal to do so!!!
a lession from having Sata too old to be president, while in America 70 yrs is retireent presidential age lol Pa Zambia. thats y we have more districts lol
floyd chitalu.what wisdom does sata have .he is busy plundering the resources of the country and foolishly attacking everyone in the country .would you call that wisdom.
You are a liar Sata has managed to arrest corruption
Even after going to school you dont know what facts are?
Ba 40years. What Floyd Chitalu is talking about is ageism (discrimination based on age) not Sata. Just from your statement above it’s quite doubtful that you can critically evaluate information for validity, reliability and relevance. Next time you decide to have a go at someone READ what they have written and CRITICALLY EVALUATE what they are trying to say!!!
Keep on dreaming keyboard warriors whilst old and experienced men take the gloves off, get their hands dirty and leave an indelible mark on the continent! Keep on hoping that Maybe your chance to be President will pop out out of your computer screen after a lot of blogging and armchair criticism.
A president must not be more than 70 yrs by the time he completes his term of office. And must be physically fit. Look at Obama, he is almost on the double as he gets down from airforce one. he inspires confidence. now compare him to our last three presidents! as they are getting off our small presidential air plane you are actually forced to pray that they do not fall down or that nothing bad happens! they appear so frail and vulnerable to old age and or illness syndromes
Hahaha!!!!! King Cobra will only Serve for one term if the clause will be changed to benefit of all Zambians.Though the Photo on this story might be for soccer fans.
it makes so much sense..we are tired of old men running up and won to nad fro hospitals like ours in zambia..
ha ha it’s the pastor is forward.i can c da hands.Shame on shallow thinking.Regan was old.
I agree. There should be a limit to the maximum age of a Zambian president. I suggest 60. We should emulate the developed world. Obama 51, Cameron 45. This should be in the constitution. Sata will be disqualified automatically. Nervers and HH will be our only candidates.
Good submission ba pente,keep it up
@11 , u are either a toddler or someone in grade one. How old was that great american president,RONALD REAGAN when he became president? Problem with HH puppies is twisting everthing at any given turn to suit the thinking of their under 5 president. As for this demonic pentcostal church, there should also be a clause in the constitution about how,when,who,where a church should formed.
Come up with better ideas that will help the country move forward. This is why Zambia isn’t developing – People are choosing to debate about unnecessary things. If you get a young president then what?
The political arena should be for both young and old. It should particularly be ideal for retired citizens who have experienced the intricacies of life! The idea of including the maximum age for presidential candidates is, therefore, foolish. In fact, even the idea of the minimum age is equally foolish. As long as a citizen enters adulthood, he or she should be able to contest any government position.
Politics in church!
Rev. How old was Moses when he led the children of Israel ?
This is not a good suggestion and its shameful that its coming from a church. Fixing an age limit is tantamount to discriminating on the basis of age. If someone has a sound mind and they are healthy enough to execute the duties of the position, then why should they be barred on account of age? That is discrimination! I’m glad the retirement age has been revised upwards because in Zambia we tend to send people to an early grave because we exclude them from the work force too early. My advice to every young person is that they should remember that one day they will also be old because old people were also once young so treat the elderly as you would like to treated when you are older.
@11 Ba Hey: The 40th US President Ronald Reagan was almost 70 yrs old when he was elected to his first term. He was born Feb 6 1911, and sworn in as President on Jan 20, 1981. On February 6, 2011, America celebrated the 100th birthday of Ronald Reagan, whose presidency is a touchstone for the modern conservative movement.
In 2011, it was virtually impossible for a major Republican politician to succeed without citing Reagan as a role model. He is credited for breaking the Iron Curtain leading to the fall of USSR, bringing the thrill back especially American Exceptionalism.
He holds the third-highest approval rating among presidents of the past 50 years, behind John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton. He was almost 78 when he left office leaving America better than he found it.
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What a load of rubbish! With dullards like these, Zambia has no chance. What has age got to do with intelligence or innovation? Spend a bit of time thinking about getting your own villages improved and Zambia will develop. Think of ways to occupy yourselves better than ‘gossiping’. You guys are pathetic!
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Tongans at it again,,, nice true but just remember we have 73 tribes and 70 have an agreement that no tonga shall ever rule Zambia till they stop being tribal!
Where are the churches with this ngo’mbe dung idea from ????
SP
How about minimum and maximum age limits of all politicians? Madala Alex is doing a damn good job at Finance! One day we shall wake up with a 20year youth as President!!
Its unconstitutional to descriminate on account of age and this refers to maximum and not minimum age as a requirement.
Let the medical experts advise as to what age a person should take a break for health reasons and not to pave way for others.
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