Government will not reinstate fired nurses as Zambia has adequate nurses – Guy Scott

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file:A student nurses helps a family transport a patient at the University Teaching Hospital because nurses are on strike
file:A student nurses helps a family transport a patient at the University Teaching Hospital because of the nurses strike

Vice-President Guy Scott has said that Government will employ 800 graduate nurses to replace the dismissed health practitioners.

Dr Scott maintained in Parliament that Government would not reinstate the fired nurses but replace them with the 800 graduate nurses.

He was responding to a question from Muchinga MMD Member of Parliament (MP) Howard Kunda who wanted to know where Government would get nurses to replace the fired ones in the country.

Earlier, Patriotic Front (PF) Kamfinsa MP Moses Chishimba asked Government whether it had any intention to rescind its decision of dismissing nurses.

But Dr Scott said Government would not rescind its decision as the nurses were clearly warned before they were dismissed.

”We have adequate nurses and health workers, 800 graduate nurses will be taken on to replace them,” he said.

He said Government would not allow a situation where essential workers behaved in a manner that left fragile and vulnerable people in a desperate situation.

Mumbwa MMD MP Brian Chituwo also raised a point of order on whether Government was in order to fire the nurses when currently Zambia had a shortage of health workers in excess of 25,000 and that the action had paralysed operations at the affected institutions.

United Party for National Development (UPND) Katombola MP Derrick Livune asked Government what it would do concerning Zambia Congress of Trade Unions (ZCTU) threats of countrywide industrial unrest if fired nurses were not reinstated.

Dr Scott said it was important for people to understand that Government had been generous and the generosity should not be taken for granted.

Meanwhile, Dr Scott said Government was monitoring the situation at the border area between Zambia and Mozambique where there had been renewed fighting between that Government and the RENAMO rebels.

Responding to a question from PF Lupososhi MP Bwalya Chungu, Dr Scott said Government would ensure the safety of the Zambians.

[Times of Zambia]

102 COMMENTS

  1. Chant pamaka kabili tumone. Chanda Chimba warned you so many times but you didn’t listen. Fyakuifwaila. Next time vote wisely.

    • Good riddance.We would rather have a few committed and hardworking nurses with a heart for patients that a multitude of uncaring,inpatient and sulking nurses with no passion for their profession but money.Well done gentlemen.Discipline is the cornerstone of any organization.

    • Agony is when you fire them now and later you find them in SA in hospital like what happened to FTJ when he dismissed most Zambian doctors , only to be attended by one of them who had courage to remind him.
      Nurses just go to SA and wait for them and jub them with a nice one.

    • If this is the stance Zambian politicians are taking against the nurses,then they should stop going to SA for treatment because some nurses who will get jobs in SA are so annoyed that they are ready to put a cannula in some politician’s head to kill them.
      May be the late Deputy minister of Health was deliberately neglected by a disgruntled Zambian nurse in SA. More will die if they are annoying nurses. Never cross a nurse’s path and live to see another day. When in hospital our lives are always at the mercy of the nurses because the doctors just prescribe and its goodness of a nurse that ensures you get the correct dose of medication.
      I know my sentiments are over the top. And I am not implying that all nurses are evil,but some are just like in every profession.

      PF should…

    • Elolwanya nomba, Sata and PF have set a bad precedence by sucking the nurses. Now ZamBeef has just decided to suck 500 of their workers. And many more companies will follow.

    • Misleading Caption: A student nurses helps a family transport a patient at the University Teaching Hospital because of the nurses strike

      1) There is only 1 (One) student nurse in the picture

      2) She is simply walking by currying her papers. In which way is she helping transport the patient?

    • Good riddance or not the bottom line is that the country will be short of 150 nurses. Instead of having X+800 we shall have X+650.

    • Sum of u ait reasoning bcoz u aint in the profession. Thez pipo are getn practically the same salary as general workers. What sud u do?

    • It is not the numbers that count but the level of discipline and commitment.Even in your home as a parent when a child become too disobedient you can consider chasing him or her out of your house.Discipline rules.

    • @Maria, that’s a good one.
      I will rather have just 1 child and let her work like Mama Theresa, than a dozen of prostitutes.

    • Maria sung your analogue is off. Chasing a troublesome child from home is abuse for which you should answer through VSU. Let us wait and see if ZCTU can earn the deductions they have been drawing from the ‘victimized’ nurses by walking their talk.

  3. Whoever taught Guy Scott maths must rolling in the grave. We have a shortage of 25000 experienced nurses and you think hiring 800 fresh graduates = adequate nurses in Zambia? you guys should stop flying to Morningstar in South Africa and queue up for treatment at our health facilities to know whats on the ground.

    • IT’S ST.U.P.I.D TO CONDONE THIS INDISCIPLINE. DID THESE NURSES HAVE A HEART FOR THE PATIENTS IN HOSPITALS? NO. THEIR HEARTS WERE WITH MONEY IN THE BANK. A FEW INFLUENTIAL INDIVIDUALS GOT INFLUENCED BY DISGRUNTLED POLITICIANS AND GOT OTHERS FIRED.
      THESE CHAPS WERE BETTER PLACED ADDRESSING THEIR GRIEVANCES WHILST EXECUTING THEIR DUTIES THAN RESORTING TO OUTDATED STYLES OF ADDRESSING YOUR CONCERNS. THEY SHOULD HAVE GONE IT THE CIVILIZED WAY

  4. Has the government backtracked on two wage freez, or is it unless when it suits them?
    Any Zambian nurses are in demand in UK, SA and many more.
    Replacing a 27year experienced nurse with a graduate are two different things. Mr Scott must be addicted enough!

    • Get your facts right ba Steve before you post. These nurses have just as much chance of finding work in the NHS as you becoming president. Things have changed bane. Let them just reapply

    • Zon Van de Bull. The US is projecting a shortage of nurses with the babyboomers become of age. 150 will be swallowed up like a drop on hot iron. I would like to marry of them for economic purposes and more. Any one with an RN, drop your number here and let’s get rocking.

  5. Boma ni boma ! Well done bane.Glad that you have shown the law breaking nurses “who is the boss ?” Their act was too insensitive and despicable.

  7. So true chanda chimba III warned you. I am left to wonder how is it that the government of the people by the people for the people can fire 800 nurses and threaten to reposess KCM over. The firing of one miner. Are nureses less important compared to miners..

    • Ba pundit chanda chimbwe might be right or wrong ,we are talking about human life’s which will never be replaced once given the increament.

  8. Swinegate scandle . Killed all his farm pigs, ate the pigs and got money from min of agric and paid himself. Nndiye uyu Muzungu. He cant see life beyond his nose just like sata.

  9. Vote them out of office next time Scott comes begging for your vote! Selfish man. He would rather line his pocket rather than negotiate pay for over worked nurses.

  10. IT is good riddance as discipline is very important in every institution, however nurses are not the only government employees. We need hard, disciplined and dedicated civil servants if our country has to develop.
    Zambians should free from negative emotions of condemnation, the nurses deceived themselves with unreasonable conduct. They should read the civil service general order act as this is the bible and candle light for all government employee. It is even better for Sata and PF be in government for one term with a disciplined team than 20 years in office with no discipline like MMD. The work culture should change for the better of our country.

  11. Very politically daft decision, especially at this time when PF seems to be quickly losing popularity across the country. It is politically s.t.u.p.i.d to fire the nurses because those are voters, and they have relatives too who will vote in 2016. It is politically s.t.u.p.i.d because firing nurses for complaining about their conditions of work is already being viewed as a display of incompetence and insensitivity on the part of the government, especially since people still remember that the government just increased the salaries of Ministers and the President recently. There will be political consequences. Much as I generally support PF policies, PF will definitely pay the price for this if they don’t change their minds, especially that Michael Sata is unlikely to stand in 2016.

    • This is not MMD era where civil servants thot working in gvt is part time or civil servants are never fired. They used to leave offices any time to do personal businesses. Things have changes bane. Ask every one in gvt they will tell u. PF is serious with the way they are running this country. The other day I talked to a police officer how things where in gvt, she told me work is tough for them. no idle time, but she said she liked it. so if u cant make it in gvt, try washing old forks assess at NHS in UK.

    • @ KWEKWE – Voters don’t care about what PF thinks. Firing nurses is a daft idea. Wait for 2016. Some of us do not want PF to lose next elections because in my books they have the best policies for the country, even though they have their own weaknesses. However, firing such a large number of experienced nurses with such arrogance of saying we will just employ fresh graduates is daft because sooner or later PF will be going to the same people to beg for their vote. The elections in 2016 will be very tight not like it was in 2011; and these same nurses’s votes could determine who wins the elections. Don’t underrate the opposition the same way RUPIAH BANDA underrated PF and that is why he cried when he got the shock defeat. This is politics. Firing nurses was unnecessary.

  12. Wise decision.I bet it will take a while before we witness more Nurses choir and dance troupes at UTH. They just pushed their luck too much.I bet their are more private hospitals around to take them on ,though i`m afraid the conditions won`t be as good as in government.Sad what mob psychology can do.

    • Wanted to say “I bet there are more private hospitals around to take them on ,though i`m afraid the conditions won`t be as good as in government.Sad what mob psychology can do.”

    • Oh Zeb the so seemingly ‘good conditions’ in the public service are not sustainable. They are dependent on a ‘downward nose diving economy.’ Better you look at this issue holistically. This pf govt takes some decisions to divert attention from serious shortcomings it is facing such as a ‘non- starter constitution’ and internal wrangles. Things are not OK in govt and pf.

  13. Wanted to say “I bet there are more private hospitals around to take them on ,though i`m afraid the conditions won`t be as good as in government.Sad what mob psychology can do.”

  14. This reminds me of FTJ when he tried to get votes from people of Kabwe after saying sort them out and where beaten up by police they never ever voted for him or his candidates only until Mwanawasa came to power. A fact of this will remain is PF has lost some candidates who would have voted for them in the next election. Its a chain reaction others are not even among the nurses. Politicians do forget that they are voted in by the same people who they are mistreating this way. Guys Scott says government has been too generous. Or is it the people that voted them into power that are too generous?words have to be chosen carefully.

    • Trying to appease people is what has led to the collapse of many governments in history.I`m glad PF has the courage to take unpopular decisions for the sake of the country as a whole and in the process risking a re-election defeat.They did it on subsidies and now they have done it on Nurses.This is the way to go.

  15. I am just following the talks, the arguments, the strikes and so on and so forth.

    Any way let those who have powers to make things work take the lead, but God is watching.

  16. It looks today PF cadres are blogging against whoever opposes the ideal of firing the nurses. I would like to remind that once you temper with civil servants you are history. Whether you like or not servants are key to development and a cadre won win this battle. The truth is that once you are fired by the govt it is the end of life No.
    truly go SA you will find these nurses even in UK. Mark my words. Private hospitals in Zambia you will find them. it could not be you, but your relatives.

    I am aware of workers at the council you chasing in preference to PF cadres

  17. Boma Niboma! These nurses they became so arrogant. I saw them on MUVI TV dancing and shaming the Government. Manje tizaonako wina azalila. Let them dance now. MUVI TV should show them again. You don’t mess up with the Government, it can finish you in whatever things you do. Viva PF Good job well done. No nonsense! Muzaumva mwala wa tono.

  20. DOT SCOT IS A LIAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    SHAME UPON YOU DOT SCOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    LET HIM TELL US THE DOCTOR PATIENT RATIO & NURSE PATIENT RATIO IN ZAMBIA!!!!!

    RESIGN DOT SCOT FOR Lying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    RESIGN DOT SCOT FOR LYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    HONOURABLE DOT SCOT FOR WAT, FOR LYNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  21. Why waste your careers with these useless politicans, GRZ has invested heavily in these nurses its their loss….just go abroad they will welcome you with open arms.

  22. Ladies and gentlemen, inside information has it that the firing of nurses is part of the bigger plot to harass and threaten civil servants if they dare go on strike. it all started with the lawyers at Ministry of Justice. This strategy is meant to weaken ZCTU in view of next years wage freeze. Despite the strong language from ZCTU, these dismissals are meant to warn Hikaumba and roy mwaba that they are dispensable. PF and their Sata, are ruthless. they are ready to spill blood for their continued stay in office. anything posing a threat to their stay in power must be crashed to pulp, that’s the principle.

  23. The nurses were gullible enough to politicize their strike by courting opposition political leaders and even chanting slogans. The same opposition leader has complicated matters by offering to give them legal representation in forcing Government to re-instate them, when the procedure is simple and straight forward, if strike was illegal without declaring dispute between parties, Government was justified to fire them. The only thing that can work is negotiation land not political rhetoric and threats of legal action, from an opposition party for that matter, that just complicates matters!!

    • @Sansamukeni. Spot on! Instead of encouraging them to reconcile they decided to play politics. And to those saying that they can get jobs abroad. I have one simple question. Why did they not migrate if they were not happy with the conditions there? Eli this is December Christmas is a few weeks away and school fees will be due in January. Next time they should think before being used as pawns by politicians and ZCTU.

  24. BA SAULOSI NABA SATA WENU. LET HIM ADDRESS THE NATION. PROBLEM HE IS A COWARD. ONLY READY TO FACE A VILLAGER IN LUAPULA.

  25. Just forgive them na imwe. They have learned whatever it is you want them to learn. What sort of christians are you? This is not punishment but vindictiveness and ego. Pride.

  26. Saulosi and your fellow cadres you sound very useless with your comments, What legacy is Sata leaving. enriching himself 3 times while the masses are suffering, a coward can’t even face nurses. when he is sick he is the first one to run abroad when we have hospitals in Zambia, now he is endangering the public with half baked
    nurses running our biggest hospital in the country, not forgetting brain drain now your own nurses will go abroad and if they do most likely the ones you have will follow suit.

  27. Hey guys poor ergonomics! That stretcher is too low and is bad for your waist! What were they thinking? If it is a bed, it mustn’t be used as a stretcher please!

  28. The entire PF govt should be declared Prohibited Politicians in National Interest. They are a threat to national security

  30. Graduate nurses will be crazy to accept peanut salaries. I hope they can afford to buy themselves decent underwear and well balanced meals. Good luck graduate nurses.

  31. WOW! Not even the western world has ever been able to have enough nurses EVER even when they are highly paid and yet Zambia, a poor African Country that pays it’s nurses an equivalent of probably one days salary of the nurse out there for the whole month has been able to achieve this? Zambia is really moving forward ayi? All you fired nurses, go serve other countries because your government obviously does not care about you. Go where you will be appreciated and PAID for a Christs sake. Why should you be punished for wanting to take care of your own families?

  32. Tik tok tik tok tik tok
    Soon and very soon
    We will see who the real bosses are!
    Guy Scott has nothing to lose, he is a “paper Zambian” minting gold and pleasing the supplier….

  33. Don’t mix 2 different issues here. KCM workers were not striking neither were they indisciplined like the nurses who continued participating in an illegal strike at the expense of people’s lives! The nurses’ union, government and other private institutions pleaded with them to call off the illegal strike. An altimatum was given and they defied. Thus, the punishment! Above all, nurses are not the only ones affected by such anomalies. viz-a-vis the proposed wage and employment freeze. Their demands were not realistic! Let those nurses re-apply to acknowledge that the salary (K5,000) they get is enough and in line with their qualifications just like other civil servants, if not better! Lest nurses forget, the monthly servicing of your loans is also part of your salary. It’s not…

  35. WHERE are these jokers taking this country….
    When KCM said they were laying off 500 workers, then 76 were retired, it was Sata and his government who cried foul. Now these chaps who stopped KCM from cutting down its workforce are themselves firing people. Good luck, see you in 2014. We hope these nurse will mobilise themselves and give PF a dorse of their own medicine.

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  41. Which village in zambia does this white man come from. Or he s just on of those that came using ubwato from great britain to steal copper.

  42. May I remind our geriatric P that you are replacing only numbers and not experience Further more the few who are left now know that this PF govt. dos not care.It’s everyone’s guess what will happen to the care of patients.

  43. May I remind our GERIATRIC AND SENILE DEMENTED VP that pride comes befores a fall.You can boast that you nurses are replacable a,d so are you,soon.What yo are replacing is inesxperince for experience and in medical care that really counts. Further more the few who remain serving now know that this PF govt. dos not care.It’s everyone’s guess what will happen to the care of patients from now on.

  44. May I remind our GERIATRIC AND SENILE DEMENTED VP that you replacing inexperience with experience and nursing care that counts a lot.The few nurses who are left now know that this PF govt. dos not care.It’s everyone’s guess what will happen to the care of patients.

  45. When you are on strike you do not report for work. You stay at home. Our Zambian nurses have over the years developed the habit of going on strike but reporting for work in their uniforms and warming themselves in the sun if it is in winter. Is it to see how the patients are suffering? They are callous, cold-hearted and are not moved by these scenes contrary to medical ethics. Past regimes have condoned this status quo even paying them for the period they are on strike. Some of them have no passion for their work and vent their frustrations on patients especially those who are poor.

  46. you guys do you know sata well? like what he did to doctors, he wants to make these nurses suffer. those with passports will have them revoked and others wont get any. they will b e listed and blocked to leave zambia. theman is mad. watch and see. i dont know wbat was in your mind guys to vote for this thug, you messed up.

  47. THEY TRIED TO USE THEIR STATUS AS ESSENTIAL WORKERS FOR GRANTED. THEIR UNION EQUALLY MISLED THEM AND THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE IT THEIR WAY AS USUAL.
    GOOD REMINDER TO ALL OF US THAT FAMILIARITY CAN CHANGE COLOURS.
    I EXPECT TO SEE SANITY AND RESPECT TO PATIENTS FROM NURSES THAT HAVE ALWAYS USED THEIR POSITION IN SOCIETY TO MISTREAT AND MAKE ILL HEALTHY A LIVING HELL TO SOME PATIENTS.
    HATS OFF TO NURSES THAT HAVE BEEN SO SO GOOD TO THEIR PATIENTS THE LIKES THAT ATTENDED TO MY BROTHER AT KITWE CENTRAL HOSPITAL. THANK YOU

  48. Foolish Vice President. Zambia has suffered a shortage of nurses for decades and you have a nerve to say “Zambia has adequate nurses.” Botswana is just watching what happens before it issues them free permanent residence status. Ubukopo pa Zed.
    And there you go again against the employment freeze. Didn’t you say govt wont employ anyone for the next two years? This is government is now becoming extremely stupid.

  49. This is really diabolical! Instead of helping the patient, the trainee Nurse is supervising relatives taking a patient for treatment! And yet the job of a nurse is to look after or take care of patients!! And these are the imbeciles going on strike for more money without working for it!

  50. it’s realy unfair 4 the gvt to fare 800 nurses in the country.where do u think other worker ‘il come from thise grade 12 faliares.my friends thik properly on this ma.ter

  51. I am amazed at the attitudes displayed by some of the bloggers on this forum. you cannot exchange years of experience that many of these fired nurses may have to that of new grads. To begin with, you need several months of orientation into real practice and at a minimum, it takes a good year for a new nurse to be able to function independently and comfortably. The sad thing abt this is that, it is the average and poor that will continue to suffer.
    The truth of the matter is that those in govt will quickly get a ticket and go elsewhere, whilst the average zambian dies from lack of adequate care —-. this is inhumane tx of people by —–

  52. I really suport the grz for stand they have taken over the fired nurses. These people are very essential workers, but they decided not to attend to patients, and they were there dancing outside hospital while people dying in the hospitals. I urge grz not to to rescind its decision of dismissing nurses, if they do that it means even those murderus should be reased from serving their jail terms. Mr. Presitend you a man of action that is the way people know you.

  53. These striking nurses they are not appearing any more on TV. They need to be shown so that we see their dancing and reactions. Osasebela na Government. Boma Ni boma, kwamene uko. Wina azalila Mayo! After a month or two they will start feeling the pinch…the ka K 6000 they were getting will not trickle in. They thought they were untouchables …..Nobody is indispensable!

  54. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS WITH OUR UNION LEADERS WHO DON’T SENSITIZE THEIR MEMBERS ON LABOUR LAWS, CONDITIONS OF SERVICE AND MANY MORE ISSUES TO WITH CONDUCT AND DISCIPLINE. SOME NURSES GENUINELY DON’T UNDERSTAND THESE THINGS BECAUSE IT IS NOT PART OF THEIR CURRICULUM AT THEIR TRAINING INSTITUTIONS. SO PLEASE BA SO CALLED ROY MWABA DONT PLAY POLITICS UNNECESSARILY BUT HUMBLE YOUR SELF AND DO THE JOB OF A TRADE UNIONIST TO PREVENT SUCH OCCURRENCES IN FUTURE. OTHERWISE AM VERY MUCH DISAPPOINTED WITH YOUR BEHAVIOUR AND UTTERANCES. IF YOU WERE REALLY DOING YOUR JOB, THOSE INNOCENT NURSES WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN FIRED FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE AND YOU MUST BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES.

  55. So much “the listening government”.

    2016 — The nurses, there friends and their families will remember. It seems that it is only 150 nurses, but they have spouses so that is 300 votes. if they have 3 children each, that is 600 votes instantly.

    It is the nurses today, it will be teachers next.

    #OneZambia

    • Yes no one is indespensable, Take care of what seems to make you important, even if you are not important. Otherwise you will not be important for real.

      It is said “It is better to let people think you are a fool, than to let them know for certain that you are a fool”.

  56. @ chilyata -a bit of education my friend ,nurses escort a very sick patient for in case a patient becames very sick on the way to where ever they are going,they are able to perform CPR,though the bed is too low to perform CPR.

  57. As Zambians let us not encourage illegalities.The government has set a good precedent so that in future people who call themselves professionals do the right thing.The opposition should stop promoting anarchy in the country.Now the poor nurses you misled are fired according to the law.Are you going to feed their families ?

  58. PF ADMIN I SALUTE YOU. NURSING CARE IN THIS COUNTRY HAS NOW BEEN REDUCED TO HANDING OUT MEDICINES PRESCRIBED BY DOCTORS. NURSES ARE WAITRESSES GIVING OUT MEDICINES. WHY SHOULD THESE WAITRESSES HOLD THE COUNTRY TO RANSOM. AAH!! ZWAA!!

  59. Passion for a job is a cross speciality thing. Why is it that only nurses are expected for ‘passion @ expense of enof motivation/money’ With a 4% salari increament, (while general maids get 150% ~500pin salary Less than nurses, ‘who atleast sku’d beta’). Politicians miscalculating, nurses and the votes they come with are more than the generals

  61. papa shikofu, even in the mines, general workers get more than most senior staffs. it’s not wise to protest because that’s the contract you signed using yo signature.

    • @Pichu. Which mine? M with mopani myself, diploma holders get like 7times grade 12 money. Unless th corrupt who find there way anywhere anytime. Its just fair to motivate where its due. Working frustrated pupi , pimps stealing, lack commitment and less productivity, any wise employer will agree

  62. Hearing the nurse/ patient ratio of 1-4 (normal) as against 1-40 and teacher/Pupil ratio of 1-27 (normal)as against 1-60 from ZCTU president on Sunday interview. Goverment needs to be considerate and not fire people when they complain
    .

  63. Evil nurses got the punishment they deserved. Obviously the south african government is not looking for evil nurses. Nurses can use better means to loby for the higher pay than to let people die. Would such nurses resurrect the dead once they got there increments. Think. One problem is solvable the other is not. So it can not be used for bargaining.

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