President Sata’s views on the new constitution a sad development in the history of Zambia-CCZ

1. The new constitution cannot be adopted wholly at once. There are imperfect aspects included in the constitution and must be ratified on a section by section basis.
   I do not see how the President should take political responsibility over the constitution, that would be unconstitutional. Parliamentarians ought to take responsibility and initiate the ratification process.

   • In the beginning their was no constitution,but leaders ruled and formulated the constitution,so a whole new constitution should be implemented all at once.alot of countries have done it before ,please change your mentality sir.

   • That Prostitution-making process need stopped somewhere, so much money has been worsted.

   • @DARK LORD
     You thought December was far, but now we are in December. The Chairperson ask for more time until December. Can you deliver the people driven constitution we see.
     Just defending issues anywhere anyhow. By the way we told the man is bed ridden and all appointments have been cancelled, with only relatives seeing him on the bed side.
     UTH nurses are waiting for a Jumb

   • @ dark lord
     Says who?
     Section by Section? Do you know what is “Section”; “Article”or “Part” in relation to the Constitution?
     It looks to me that you are still in the darkness.

   • @Italian Presidential Material- Yes I stated section. Stick to the argument and not to trivia. Grow a sack and argue on context!

   • Iwe @ VOLDEMONT, Know call chi know, dont support your bed-ridden serpent of every nosense he makes. We eagerly await a presidential bye election so all this nonsense can be pu to bed.

   • WE WANT THE FINAL DRAFT CONSTITUTION RELEASED BY END OF JANUARY 2014 OR ELSE ????????????????????????????

   • The Constitution has to be adopted at once, otherwise its not a constitution then. Those elements that need amendments can be amended through an act of parliament. You don’t need to hold the whole constitution hostage just because you have an issue with some clauses.

   • THE DARK LORD
     WHAT A BUNCH OF B U L L S H I T!! THEN WHY MAKE A PROMISE YOU CANT KEEP?!!!!!!!

2. mr president, leave a legacy people will be able to associate with long after you are dead. the people driven constitution. even in the evening of your life you still hope to live longer than what God has given you? greed

   • Leadership is not about legacies but about virtue and making right decisions, some that will not appease everyone. Actually, no decision can appease everybody.
     People need to understand that the President does not have responsibility over the constitution making process until the time for final ratification. Currently, it is dependent on either parliament or a referendum process. A referendum is highly unlikely due to a fear of low turnouts.

   • @Lord or whatever you call yourself. The man in Plot 1 ascended to power on amongst other lies that he would deliver a people driven constitution in 90 days. Or perhaps tamwakwata nensoni…..?

   • @Pamadupo- Exactly, the majority of the electorate that voted in the PF are illiterate and care not about the constitution. Any educated individual who voted for a government that convinced them that it is possible to deliver a constitution in 90 days deserves what they got.

   • @ The Dark Lord is Dark Lord all right. This is powerful: “… Any educated individual who voted for a government that convinced them that it is possible to deliver a constitution in 90 days deserves what they got.” Bwana you have grey matter. Wonder thought what you mean by a constitution being “unconstitutional”? Never heard of such an animal before.

3. This is all they want. They want to be making this process a continuous fundraising venture wen they sit for continued amendments. God will punish such leaders

4. i thought Sata would emulate Nelson Mandela’s Legacy by now

5. What goes around comes back around.. Sata should be ready to face the consequences of not listening to pipo’s cries

6. The Israelites were ruled by judges,but the neighboring territories were ruled by kings so they demanded to a system like the neighboring territories but God warned them but they adopted the monarch but later their rulers taxed them heavily and they were oppressed.their prophets asked them to repent and hear God ‘s voice.Zambians we are collectively responsible for ushering in sata as our president,we are yet to suffer ,wait and see the hardships soon to be witnessed,lets all repent maybe God will be merciful to us.

   • Say it to the gullible fools and idiots who voted for their fellow idiot to become president. By the wy do you know of his condition?

7. It is His “Excellency” not “Excellence” – the standard of education in Zambia is indeed below average. That explains why the University of Zambia is ranked 66 out of 70 higher learning institutions in Africa!

   • I concur with you 100%, the standard of English grammar and spelling on this blog is appalling. LT editors (if at all they have any) are the worst.
     One blogger on this very topic writes, ”so much money has been ‘worsted’ instead of wasted”.

8. No matter how big a is,it will NEVER hide the TRUTH. We were warned by Chanda chiimba 111 about the man we paraded as messiah.

   • At least someone was kind enough to warn the electorate. It is said, to be forewarned is to be forearmed. The Zambian electorate ignored the warned and must now pay the price. Fair deal.

9. ba ccz pulease,first pray for the ailing dictator and then say what it is.

   • Iwe how do they pray for his health when they claim he is ok.We will pray for him when we are officially told he is not well.For now he might as well be jogging for all we knoe.

10. Simple; Just reconvene as the OASIS FORUM. Who is stopping you, when you have done wonders together in the past as a united front?

11. We are not collectively responsible. Only 42% of Zambians messed us up. These are the people who are responsible for the current mess. The majority knew that PF was a disaster.

    • @Frank

      It is not 42% of Zambians who messed us up, the 42% is a percentage of total votes caste and is equivalent to only 1,170,966 irresponsible voters. This is less than 10% of Zambians.

    • Too little too late! Next time, the masses can choose to register to vote and actually go and cast their vote. The electorate in Zambia need to be educated about the power of their vote.

    • @ Chimbwi 111 – that is the price of apathy in a democratic voting system. Maybe next time you should bother to go and vote.

    • most of these from 1,1++++ came from compounds and markets any except Eastern Southern, western and North west. This means most voters were really irresponsible fellows

12. God please clear our beloved Zambia of these useless PF characters that unfortunately are ruling us SOONEST and bless Chanda Chimba the 3#.

13. Where have CCZ been all these weeks? Their comments have already been overtaken by events. People have commented and gone and that is when they just woke up from the dead! The government has issued a statement to say HEMCS’s comments on the constitution were taken out of context and misunderstood by the public and I agree with that when you look at the full statement he issued. As a country we should be serious with the way we consider issues. As usual, our reporters misunderstood and quoted him out of context. The reporters themselves were wrong to mislead the public. It is not only the President or government who must be accountable, every citizen must be accountable. Nobody has the right to telling lies including journalists. We are acting like people without brains!

    • @ Mwembeshi. ….

      In all fairness when the President is misqouted by the press the least he can do is himself not Goerge Chella issue a statement or address the nation on the true nature of his statement. The President has not held a press conference to tell the nation its status, the are some issue he can let Goerge inform the nation but plse Mr President some statements are better fromthe horse’s mouth. An example is the in fights in the PF one would expect the President to assure the nation that the in fight would not affect Zambia as a nation. Your Excellency hold your first press conference before the end 2013. HAPPY XMAS ZAMBIA

14. WISH GEORGE KUNDA WAS AROUND. THE MAN OFFERED TO REWRITE THE WHOLE CONSTITUTION OF ZAMBIA ALL BY HIMSELF FREE OF CHARGE. THE MAN KNEW WHAT WAS BEST FOR ZAMBIA WHERE THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND IS CONCERNED.
    REST IN PEACE GEORGE KUNDA, YOU ARE GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN!!!!

    THE BEMBAS ARE INDEED THE ELITE TRIBE.

    AM VERY MUCH ASHAMED TO BE A LOZI. HOW CAN I BECOME A BEMBA?

    • You must be ashamed of your sentiments. People’s attributes are individual and not a stereotype. For example, you are a dull Bemba who thinks hiding in a Lozi online identity will serve you right. Grow up, and act your age not your shoe size!

    • The first part of your article was exceptional, I was almost saying gud……. but then foolishness entered your soul.(Advise) Am Bemba but as Zambian we are all equal no tribe is more elite than the other, be proud of your tribe. One would question your nomality when you say you want to become Bemba. CHATILE CHOBE.

    • @ Bo Nawa Namakando

      you should go to zambia and seek audience with the ministry of home affairs department of national citezen and passport. There you can fill in the forms of changing names of your choice. This will cost you about zmk 3000.00
      Then you will also need to to the examination council of zambia to get new certificates in the new bemba names.

      i welcome you to. But Bo Nawa do even know how to speak bemba? i presumeyou do!!!

      You can use the name ”MUSHINDO MUCHINGA” as a recognition for paul Mushindo university in Muchinga

    • Aptly stated: A dull Bemba masquerading as a Lozi!

    • It always amazes me how touchy some Lozi people are. They are quick to hull insults at anyone they suspect to be Bemba. Could it be a complex of some kind? I rest my case.

15. To put your hope and trust in politicians is committing suicide. They have no respect for the electorate once voted in office. They invest every atom of their strength amassing wealth and engaging in illicit sex as a job well-done for winning elections. Your cries, my cries and everybody else’s matters less to them. Zambian leadership must rise to the occasion to build a nation that upholds the wings of justice. Create a constitution free of individual appeasement, but one that touches the very basic appeal of every Zambian; Human Rights, freedom of expression, protection and security. In a country where ordinary citizens face intimidation and police brutality at voicing their opinion, anarchy becomes the order of the day.

    • Outstanding observation. However, must politicians not be made accountable to the electorate?

    • Where someone can be killed sponsored by politicians, his body stolen and buried secretly without the concert of his parents.
      This really the dark Lord and Satanism at play.

16. Why do you worry much about grammar you CHIZUNG AND THE PEOPLE, read BBC or CNN You will see alot OF spelling mistakes.Who cares so much.The English themselves do not mind so who are you to worry so much about grammar OR SPELLING mistake of a language even yourself do not know much.Stop behaving like you are an English master.

    • @14 mary,
      Please do not mislead those who do not follow reports on the BBC and CNN. You are not being honest by claiming that ‘you see a lot of mistakes’ on BBC and CNN reports, that is not correct. I bet you have never spotted any mistakes from the two media.
      Secondly, you even ask, ‘who cares so much’. That is the main problem in Zambia, so many people do not care about anything, things are done haphazardly and without due care and you expect to develop. The English care every bit about their language and their country.

    • Those blogging using smartphones do set it “offer suggestions of words as I type”so it doesn’t mean that we don’t know but at times we place at a wrong word spot.mary is correct errors or use of wrong phrase happen on BBC,CNN and other broadcast,print and electronic media.all in all we are not a nation of readers,wider knowledge is vital.

17. @Chimbwi 111,

    I meant 42% of voters in 2011, which indeed is less than 10% of Zambians. Those are the people that have put us in the current curse. The majority did not want PF.

18. All the things we promised during the campaigns were mere political promises to compel you to put us in power. Now that were are in power we are going to tell you what we want to do but be mindful that whatever we do ought to be what we want and not what you want or wish for.
    Chanda Chimba the III made a heroe.

19. Too little too late CCZ. This issue is decided. HEMCS was so clear that even a Grade 3 literate child would not argue he was quoted out of context. All Zambians listened to this on ZNBC TV1. “THE CURRENT CONSTITUTION IS OK AND ONLY NEEDS TO BE AMENDED. THERE IS NO NEED TO OVERHAUL IT. SO WE DO NOT NEED A NEW CONSTITUTION”.

    • spot on walasa efyo balandile. How out of context was that?

20. Frm the strt PF proposed coming up wth a constition out wide consutation frm previous contitution commissions. wht difference does “just need 2be amended, nt a new constitution.” Now,has consultation been done thoroughly $ wht amends hav been made?

21. “THE COUNCIL OF CHURCHES IN ZAMBIA (CCZ) HAS SAID THAT THE PRONOUNCEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT THAT THE COUNTRY DOES NOT NEED A NEW CONSTITUTION IS A SAD DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THE PATRIOTIC FRONT MANIFESTO STATES THAT:”

    “the PF government shall establish in consultation with stakeholders, a Committee of Experts to review the recommendations of all previous Constitutional Review Commissions in order to draft & present a constitution which will reflect the will and aspirations of the people for submission to a referendum and subsequent enactment only, by the National Assembly”.

    SO WHAT IS CCZ’s PROBLEM BECAUSE THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE HAS ALREADY WRITTEN TO GOVERNMENT TO ASK FOR THE PRINTING OF MILLIONS OF COPIES SO THAT THEY COULD RECEIVE MORE PRINTING ALLOWANCES? So who is delaying?

22. What the our leaders must never forget is that only the Word of God lasts forever,so they ought to be mindful that even though they are on top,things will catch up to them. Let them put thier selfish motives aside and do what the people want. Zambian why are we so docile? It is us the people that turn these leaders into semi gods,let us wake up and demand accountability the moment suspicious things pop up.

23. Interesting.

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