United Party for National Development, UPND, leader, Hakainde Hichilema, has said that there is nothing new in the way government handled the Chiluba case despite the London Judgment finding the former President liable of stealing $46 million from the Zambian people.
In an interview with QFM, Mr. Hichilema said it was clear from the time President Rupiah Banda assumed office that his government was not going to fight corruption in the country.
He said there was therefore no need for Zambians to be shocked or to cry foul because it was foreseen before that the Rupiah Banda led administration was coming with the intent of not being serious in the fight against corruption.
Mr Hichilema said it is sad that President Rupiah Banda’s government has taken the Chiluba regime system where corruption became so rampart to an extent of retarding the country’s development.
He said while it is a good thing for the government to defend Dr. Chiluba, it is painful to the majority Zambians to see criminals left scotfree despite the crimes they have committed.
QFM
Don`t worry their day of reconning will also come.Lupiya won`t be there in the next ten years.
Fcuk ka Chiluba may he die of AIDS.
This is why we want you to lead this nation. We are sick and tired of these old men who are there just to enrich themselves.. They failed in the past they are failing now and they will still fail in future. We long for a day when Zambia will be led by a man of integrate like you so that we get rid of mediocrity and jokers in this country for ever
Words of wisdom from Zambia’s future leader. I can’t agree more!
But then my question to HH is why then did you jump into bed with a person who wanted Chiluba to carry on stealing according to you for another term? Also, if a judgement is passed that you personally do not like does it always mean that there has been foul play?
Vice may triumph for a time, crime may flaunt its victories
in the face of honest toilers, but in the end the law will
follow the wrong-doer to a bitter fate, and dishonor and
punishment will be the portion of those who sin.
Well spoken, but the fight will definately not spare you over the sale of the mines and Lima Bank.
Dont worry ni time yabo. MAXIMUM ENJOYMENT BUT MINIMUM RESPONSIBILITY.
There will be PAYBACK TIME. 2011 IS NEAR.
On “He said there was therefore no need for Zambians to be shocked or to cry foul because it was foreseen before that the Rupiah Banda led administration was coming with the intent of not being serious in the fight against corruption,” great stuff Mr UPND 2011 presidential candidate and I hope all Zambians who voted for Mr RB Banda as President of Zambia must blame themselves istead of crying foul while us Zambians who did not vote at all or voted for opposition should blame ourselves for not doing enough campaigns for our prefered candidates.
On “Mr Hichilema said it is sad that President Rupiah Banda’s government has taken the Chiluba regime system where corruption became so rampart to an extent of retarding the country’s development,” PF has an FJT C. behaviour…
It was equally painful to see millions of Zambians become unemployed without benefits cos of your privatisation and in the process becoming an instant billionaire.Dirty you!!!
Threfore, in light of”Mr [UPND president H.] Hichilema said it is sad that President Rupiah Banda’s government has taken the Chiluba regime system where corruption became so rampart to an extent of retarding the country’s development,” and that PF has an FJT Chiluba regime governing behaviour, it will be interesting to justify why the mighty UPND Group should continue being in a PACT with PF since the best thing for the UPND to do now rather than later is just to stop referring to the PF-UPND PACT without ditching PF but to just concentrate on campaigning with a message of UPND-Zambians’ PACT to form GRZ Administration in 2011.
I hope PF will take my message above serious and reconsider its being in the PF-UPND PACT when it can ditch the UPND.
Be blest all…
The Govt is so keen to protect all the thieves and thugs. Look at Willaim Banda, Lucy Changwe and that Chalwe chap. All these clowns do break the Law and still get away with it. Posterity will judge RB and his croonies
By the way, PF is on record of promising to throw away Mr FJT Chiluba cases in 2006 elections time as evidenced in “Chief Chisunka said he was surprised why Mr Sata changed his stance after he promised to drop charges against Dr Chiluba when he supported him in 2006 elections… “What has changed now that Dr Chiluba is called names, is it because he is supporting his political opponents. Mr Sata should be fair,” Chief Chisunka said,” as reported under Sata can’t be trusted — Chief Chisunkain the Times of Zambia Newspaper of today.
Mr PF/Sata MC also extended his corruption cases recklessness by campaigning in Luapula Province of Zambia and other areas that the Fight Against Corruption was on Bemba speakers and he would stop it once President.
Be blest all…
We removed KK and blamed for him for 10 years,The our late President used the law to unmask the crimes committed during FJT’s term,close to 8 years and then came President Banda on the scene, it would appear the agenda is to bury all the crimes and ”start” afresh ,it has been close to 3 years now and no results!
Untill you sanctify yourself morally of the blood of thousands retrenchees from Contract Haulage, UBZ, Liviingstone Hotel now Sun, Lima Bank and false recommendations out of interest in failed Binani Mines of Luanshya, ulanunka mumasambi.
Chiluba is a thief who has stolen huge sums of money for the developement of our mother Zambia
HH u have brains but the tribal stain will haunt u forever wish u luck.!! And please dont lower yourself to Kaponya levels for political expediencies-put on a national character to cleanse the tribal stain you inflicted on yourself during your campaign for UPND presidency.
This is the one problem I have with this political midget. Dr Chiluba was tried and prosecuted by the Task Force and acquited of the criminal charge of theft. He is not a criminal at law. In the London High Court, he was convicted of defrauding the GRZ. That is not a criminal conviction but a civil conviction. Mr Mpombo is a convicted criminal. Even in the UK, under the Theft Act 1968, section 15, Lambie (1982) was convicted for purchasing goods from Mothercare on a Barclaycard credit card knowing she was way beyond her credit limit. This is the same as signing a cheque against insufficient funds. It is deception. So please do not belittle Mpombo’s offence.
If the executive and the judiciary will not serve the common good, who will ? I shudder to think of the alternatives. God save this country.
There seems to be a lot of ignorance about the source of HH’s wealth. Having been a senior partner at Coopers and subsequently Grant Thornton, plus his numerous business interests, it was inevitable that HH be a billionaire. Zambia has a number of people in his position who have become wealthy legitimately.
In relation to his comments above, he is spot on. RB is trapped in a time warp and his behaving with umpunity is to a large extent due to ignorance of the ramifications of his actions on himself and his family once he is out of office.
OOOh its gonna be a sad day.
no.17. Of the three leading presidential contenders who stinks of tribalism? RB and Sata have a worse tribal stain if that is the game you want to play. Sata was Chiluba’s right hand man when they made all key govt appointments to be held by bembas. He has made numerous tribal remarks that have offended many people including calling ilas dogs, calling luvales namazai and claiming to cleanse all bembas of the thieving tag. RB is well documented for appointing only easterners in key positions in Namboard. KK fired him for appointing easterners only in the Foreign service and even in the current govt most key positions are held by easterners. He recently advised Easterners to chase all those who don’t come from there. If you love Zambia it’s better you avoid playing the tribal card!
If a person who vies to be head of State cannot abide by the judicial decisions, we are going to go backwards in our democracy, where the separation of powers will again be fudged. President Banda is not interfering with the judiciary. If judges are making dubious decisions, why don’t people take up the published judgements and deal with each and every point raised at law? If it was a matter of leniency or severity of a sentence upon conviction, all thge noise made can be understood, but the judge has found no reason AT law to convict. Please point out where in the judgement is there a mistake!
Patriot #15
H.H earned his money honestly thru GRZ Zambia privitization.
Can you tell us how Chiluba earned his $8.5 US Million?
no.22: no matter how much you shout or propound legal jargon no one is going to believe what you are saying. We all no that corrupt African leaders have a habit of interfering with the judiciary. They are known to corrupt some weak judges and blocking appeal cases since they know that senior judges at the supreme courts are not easy to bribe. This is exactly the case with the Chiluba issue otherwise the govt would have appealed. Whoever you are, you can’t to be more knowledgeable at law than the experienced legal minds like professors Ndulo & Hansugule and LAZ who have questioned this judgment.
Zed Patriot
Appointing Easterners is not tribalism but you could call it Provincialism. But most people think a person is an easterner because of an Eastern sounding name. Prof Chirwa is a Mufulira, Copperbelt man. The prominent Kitwe Lawyers and State Counsels Nyirenda and Banda have never been to Eastern Province, being born and bred in Kitwe and Mufulira respectively. Besides all this, there have been so many cross cultural marriages in Zambia that this tribalism charge should now be dismissed with contempt. One of the President’s son is half Lozi, quarter Chewa, quarter Ngoni. What tribe is he? HH is not a tribalist, but he came to the helm of his party because of tribal support. He used it to his advantage against Sikota.
Comment 5 HH has not personalised the issue of Chiluba as you have wrongly observed. Its in public interest that the London Judgement be registered and all monies stolen be recovered and used by the Zambian people. We currently have a problem where the Government is seen to mean Rupiah and the MMD as opposed to the people-the common man and woman on the streets. Just walk into a public area and ask anyone their opinion on this judgement. You will be surprised what derogatory remarks even illiterate people use for Rupiah. You are entitled to your views.
Zed Patriot
Ther is no one who is a master at interpreting law. Otherwise, the persons you have cited would never lose a case. Thes are academics and perhaps limited in other aspects of law. Human rights law is not criminal law. Criminal law is not Tort law and so on. The LAZ did not criticise the judgement, but suggested that in the interest of advancement of ‘case law’ this should have been appealed to the highest court of the land so that the issues raised may be settled with a more secure precedence. Even if the Supreme Court had registered the judgement, it would not have made Chiluba a thief.
Comments 7,10 and 15 there is nothing wrong with someone taking advantage of situations to make money. HH is one such citizen who saw an opportunity to make money through Chiluba’s own policies. Recall sometime last year, Chiluba made a statement to the effect that HH was paid $12miilion. From that time on nothing. And yet state arms are free to investigae and bring out such thefts. Your claims are lame just as Chiluba’s was. You could be big men with small brians. Question is, ten years from now, who are you going to blame for the privatisation of ZAMTEL? Is it a ZDA officer who has taken an opportunity to do business with the retrenched officers’ benefits or Rupiah and Situmbeko who had the authority to stop the sale but refused.
no. 25 Saint: if that is your argument then RB used tribal support to win the presidency by telling easterners to vote for him because he comes from there. Sata also used tribal support to win the support of bembas by promising he would champion their cause. The UPND convention in 2006 was attended by equal number of delegate from all 9 provinces of Zambia and the majority voted for HH. How then did HH use tribal support to get to the helm of UPND if delegates from all provinces voted? Sikota was the acting president at the time so he was in charge of the electoral process and could have stopped such malpractices if they happened. Why don’t you Zambians learn to accept defeat without using tribalism as an excuse? No wonder some people are scared of having internal elections in their…
In saying all this, am in no way defending HH. Am just trying to be objective. And for all you who are on the issue of tribe, the truth is that all Zambians are trible. Actually all Africans. Even people who in public profess to be anti tribal, in dark corners they are the worst tribalists. My other question is, has a Tonga or Lozi Presidential candidate ever won Bemba speaking provinces of Northen and Luapula? If not, then Bembas vote on tribal lines. Good day bloggers.
#29 Zed Patriot
That is exactly my point. The word ‘tribalism’ should be bannished from Zambia. It belongs to the old order of life and surely at this stage in our country we should never bother about the colour of the skin, the language they speak or where they come from, but judge everyone according to ‘the content of their character’ (to borrow from M L King Jr). I once suggested that NR cards should not have ‘Village and Chief’ on them It is so colonial and I am amazed that the man who said ‘One Zambia, One nation’ was the one whose government perpetuated this.
THE SAINT
What most Zambians are unhappy about is why the government is blocking any calls for appeals in FTJ’s cases. The president and his ministers are always quick to celebrate Chiluba’s judgments but always become defensive when challenged to appeal. You don’t have to be a professor in psychology to know that this is an indication of guilty consciousness. RB becomes agitated whenever challenged over the Chiluba issue. There is also some govt complicity in that they have hired a man facing corrupt charges as a political consultant. What message does it send to the masses?
Aren’t there better things to talk about? Is it very difficult to forgive? It is time to forge ahead. Talking about privileged information, RB must be in possession of some information that we do not know hence his decision not to pursue this case to its logical conclusion. People should not forget that FTJ once locked up RB and others on trumped up charges, and could have used this opportunity to settle old scores. Lets start afresh, am sure even HH benefited from FTJ’s presidency. I am sure he did because his firm (Grant Thornton) was one of the least paying public accounting firms in Zambia, people were leaving to join GRZ.
Hello THE SAINT…I like your analysis of the issues at hand…I think you are spot on: keep it up mate.
THE SAINT
I totally agree with your your comment in #31. My comment above was prompted by remarks made by #17 ICEBERG. Zambia belongs to us all and we are one proud nation were you can marry or date any one from any tribe without any stigma attached.
31 & 35, now that is what I call mature and intelligent debate. So refreshing form the kaponya kind of blogging.
Criminals like you HH?
# 22 (THE SAINT)
You are caress and dull. How do you marry the conviction of Regina and the Aquital of Chiluba? Where did chiluba get the $8M he claims to have put in the ZAMTROP ACC? Why did they allow chiluba not to be cross examined? What does the law say on puting money in a government acc? if you answer this questions honestly, you will also smell a rat
The Saint kudos to you today. We could all learn to be objective, than subjective. Too many fanatics on this blog, for some HH or SATA, are Gods who should be defended at all costs. For me HH owes Zambians an apology for being a beneficiary of a program that cost the livelihood of millions of Zambians. A patriotic person could have walked away like Mwanawasa did, but he stayed like Sata did till the very end of privatisation, milking every cent from the program. Yet today they speak loudest about privatisation, go figure!
# 39: The same applies for you; RB is like God & should be defended at all costs even if it means manufacturing lies to destroy his opponents.
HH & SATA is a BEAUTY and the BEAST relationship.
While I do not support any political party! HH needs to divorce himself from the PACT. Even if he cannot take 2011, his is foreseeable future. HH is better off being on his own. He must not worry about M’Membe gunning him down, his time will come. M’Membe is getting finished day after day. The only person that can save M’Membe is (chameleon) SATA. If Sata were to win, he would throw-out all the Zambian Airways cases that have dodged M’Membe and Nchito.
The Creditors wanted to finish M’Membe, but RB stopped them as he was going to be viewed & accused that he was after The Post, from most Zambians and the International community, especially donors. If RB wins 2011, he will let go of the Creditors to grab anything from M’Membe as RB will have nothing to loose.
Creditors want their money. This is why M’Membe is so desperate to see Sata get to State House
In other words, we should not play into all these fancy Editorials in The Post accompained by Bible Verses all the time. M’Membe is a Master of Double Standards and a CORRUPT Person.
Independent Observer 41,42, 43
I always like your analysis. This is very true reflection
Zed Patriot 4# & UPND Supporters
Do you agree with comments from Independent Observer?
Independent Observer 43
Just out of interest, which of these 3 chaps would you leans towards to? HH, SNAKE and RB
Chiluba is unremorseful .It is a shame that RB is who he is.I hope he pays for his sins one day.
F.O.O.L.I.S.H. Man. your house is on fire and you are wasting your time talking about issues that donot make your house safe? See Kakoma is fighting the fires alone. Guy Scot says you are a nobody youngman and if you dont react we shall assume you have no B.A.L.L.S…Are you scared little boy of the King Cobra? The Chiluba issue is being adquately dealt with by Fred Mmmebe his sworn enemy. So dont duplicate matters. Some of us think The Chiluba issue is actually an imaginery brought about by use of a lunatic English Judge Peter Smith while the local boys stashed their pockets with lots of our money chasing imaginery theft. Thats how British and French intelligence networks work.
The Bembas are the worst tribalists .They failed even to vote for late Mazoka and went for SATA who has nothing to offer simply becoz his is their tribal mate.You may call Tongas tribalists but at least they put credible presidential candidates of sound mind , integrity and intelligent . They voted for Kaunda and Chiluba who even failed to give the vice presidency even minister of finance.The Bemba ministers finance failed to deliver Katele and Nawakwi including late Penza be coz they concentrated in stealing.under Mwanawasa and Magande the economy picked coz they don’t have running blood of stealing. Try other people who are honest and the country can improve
He who is without sin (HH – Lima bank,UBZ,Luanshya mine, Mosi o tunya hotel etc.) should cast the first stone.
Remove the Log (Lima bank,UBZ,Luanshya mine, Mosi o tunya hotel etc) in your eye before you remove the speck in others.
Bembas really hate HH, eh!!! What is it that makes you hate someone with such vengeance – Dreaming up imaginery stories about Lima Bank etc? HH is a private citizen and not a sitting president, and so if any of you tribalists have evidence that HH stole, then take that evidence before a courts of law and he will be prosecuted and convicted. Or else shut up forever and talk about credible things…. But of course you will not shut up because you are doing it out of malice and ignorance and not out of knowledge and goodwill. If God destined HH to be president, then he will be President of this country whatever M’membe, Sata and all you tribal cohorts do. Period!!!! Stop this tribal hatred and be statesmen…..
HH – once a tribalist(only a Tonga to lead UPND), always a tribalist.
Olo you wash yourself in JIK ba HH, the tribal tag will never be cleansed.Its on you forever and ever and ever…………..
By the way bloggers, any news on what happened after ”Dr” Cosmo Mumba’s fasting and prayers?Did God punish FTJ?
#38 Chigunta
Thanks. I am not debating my intelligence.
You misfits HH was given a job within the law by MMD to privatise or liquidate those companies. He was hired. Even if he refused that job someone else would have done it. Now how do you blame him for doing a job that anyone of us for want of money would have done it. You misfits. Blame the MMD. These characters the MMD told us that Chiluba was a thief and they took him to court and now today they tell us he has no case. They must be blacklisted and removed as a party for plunder of national resources by engaging in the venture that has led loss of income and dividing the nations.
#55 He therefore, has no moral right to talk negatively about Zamtel because what he presided over, as he got millions himself, is a disaster.
VJ Rigger
You seem to have a personal vendetta aginst HH. Tell us, did he deny you a business deal or did he do something to your wife or girlfriend? Calm down! You can say whatever you want but the man is enjoying himself. He is getting richer each day, he is gaining popularity each day and he is inching closer to being Zambia’s president. He was born a tonga and that won’t change.He is proud of being tonga just as you are proud to be whatever tribe you are. So please, bro. stop being a sadist. Get a life!
VJ Rigger
You have no brain whatsoever, what did HH do to you?
HH let me telling in this world we are all sinners.Dont try to be so clean because you havent told us how you acquired the 40 billion kwacha you are worth at your tender age. Just tell us how and what you plan to do for this country of yours.We need your input .Forget about thieves. Only God will vindicate us.
Chiluba was a HUMAN POMPWEE in fresh, he died as a Pompwee. Even in coffin he remains a Pompwee, he will be buried as a Pompwee. HE LIVES BEHIND POMPWEE ACCOUNTs Somewhere outside the country.