On May 28th, 2013 during a Q&A session at the University of New South Wales, Bill Gates, co-Founder of Microsoft and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, made some shocking and inappropriate ad-hominem attacks against me and my book Dead Aid.
In this video excerpt, Mr. Gates answers a question about Dead Aid: Why Aid Is Not Working and How There is A Better Way for Africa by claiming that I “didn’t know much about aid and what it was doing” and that my work is “promoting evil”.
I find it disappointing that Mr. Gates would not only conflate my arguments about structural aid with those about emergency or NGO aid, but also that he would then use this gross misrepresentation of my work to publicly attack my knowledge, background, and value system.
I would like to take this opportunity to address both of Mr. Gates’ claims here:
1. I wrote Dead Aid to contribute to a useful debate on why, over many decades, multi billions of dollars of aid has consistently failed to deliver sustainable economic growth and meaningfully reduce poverty. I also sought to explicitly explain how decades of government to government aid actually undermined economic growth and contributed to worsening living conditions across Africa. More than this, I clearly detailed better ways for African leaders, and governments across the world, to finance economic development. I have been under the impression that Mr. Gates and I want the same thing – for the livelihood of Africans to be meaningfully improved in a sustainable way. Thus, I have always thought there is significant scope for a mature debate about the efficacy and limitations of aid. To say that my book “promotes evil” or to allude to my corrupt value system is both inappropriate and disrespectful.
2. Mr. Gates’ claim that I “didn’t know much about aid and what it was doing” is also unfortunate. I have dedicated many years to economic study up to the PhD level, to analyze and understand the inherent weaknesses of aid, and why aid policies have consistently failed to deliver on economic growth and poverty alleviation. To this, I add my experience working as a consultant at the World Bank, and being born and raised in Zambia, one of the poorest aid-recipients in the world. This first-hand knowledge and experience has highlighted for me the legacy of failures of aid, and provided me with a unique understanding of not only the failures of the aid system but also of the tools for what could bring African economic success.
To cast aside the arguments I raised in Dead Aid at a time when we have witnessed the transformative economic success of countries like China, Brazil and India, belittles my experiences, and those of hundreds of millions of Africans, and others around the world who suffer the consequences of the aid system every day.
In conclusion, I am disappointed that Mr. Gates would choose the route of personal attacks rather than a logical counter argument about the role of aid in modern Africa. Such attacks add no value in the important discussions on the challenges the world faces to deliver economic growth, eradicate poverty, combat disease, and reduce income inequality, to name a few.
As I have always maintained, I respect the views of others and am open to having logical and meaningful debates with the ultimate goal of finding sustainable solutions to Africa’s economic problems.
Thank you,
Dr. Dambisa Moyo
Go for it girl ! I`m behind you.I can now see the difference between one with money and one with papers and years of research.I like it coz both of you are smart in different ways.
All the Children who had polio vaccines by this guy got Polio, abash aid.Moyo this is not the way you get attention,by going for a big guy.After benefiting from the west through education now you want nothing to do with them? hypocrite!
literally behind her???lol………………true that though.good book,tells the truth!!
Dambisa, the question u need to ask yoself is that, Why have donors criticized yo book? Are u telling us that yo research is better conducted than what implementing people have experienced..Remember that when conducting a research there are limiting factors that you need to start…tell us what limitations u had during yo research, we compare them to Bill Gates’ ……………….
certificate holders na diploma holders mwafula sana…peleniko chance abama PhDs na abama degrees please!!!!
please “ thesis“ comments only!!!1
Impact Evaluation
1. What has Dead Aid done for Zambia?
2. What has Bill Gates done for Zambia?
While the attack by Bill Gates is unfortunate, my response to the Western lady is , you need your people to win this battle. Africa and Zambians should have a buy in , we are the people who receive and have seen the dangers of Aid.
But from what i see, Dambisa Moyo’s audience is 90 % the same people who have an interest in seeing Africa remain a perpetual destitute, well they can afford to attend- but if you really care, this message is not for them and if you really think about it, you are benefiting from same people you “seem” bash.
On this one Dr. Moyo is 100% correct and gates is completely out of his league. Bill is mixing apples and oranges. Moyo does not dispute the need for emergency Aid is certain circumstances but is against structural aid which leads to dependency. For example, do you guys know that there is about 60% donar aid embedded in Zambia’s yearly budget. Isn’t that the classic definition of dependency?
Mr Gates, perhaps there is truth in what the Lady postulates. Was your argument Mr Gates stimulated by the suggestion, i quote “Instead of obsessing over more aid, Africa should be calling for fairer trade and stepping-up efforts to attract Chinese investment”. It is rather a known fact that a number of “power house nations” do not want to see China penetrate the “African market”. Perhaps the Lady is also right in tackling issues associated with Aid such as mismanagement, corruption and also agenda! Is Aid sustainable and used on issues that really matter? Who proposes what matters, how and why? On the other hand Madam Dambisa finding the causality in the argument Increased aid increases poverty and reduces economic growth is inherently difficult!
Mere Bloggers, Academicians and Professionals have been identified right on this topic…This will help which pipo to share issues with…. E.G. Mushota nowhere to be seen….Its called self elimination….
madam could have been right that aid does not work. But it’s the way she phrased the opinion that could have hate the giving hand (Gates). Imagine you are helping your poor relatives yourself only for them to tell you that ‘the help you’ve been giving us is dead.’ How would you personally feel? Taming the tongue is important.
Your book Dr. Moyo is an eye opener to many, on the other hand Ba Bill with all his monies may be among the many outsiders that do not want Africa to develop simply because they are amassing wealth from it in the name of helping. Do not be discouraged.
please bloggers those of you who claim online!!! to have degree, PhDs ,,chakuti na chakuti papers your `thesis` comments now please,, dont just be attacking uneducated Sata or `rich man`HH or pastor Mumba,,,there is Bill Gates and Dambisa Moyo,,,can you zero in …
Mushota…sobelenge..that angry guy from australia etc the floors is ours!!!
Thats what I have been telling abntu for a longtime but nobody gets it. I everybody is blinded by ill’s wealth but yet this man is evil to the core.
@ Ndobo, I like ur plea. Abena Mushota, ths is ur show…. Let the PHDs u claim to hav add some value to ths debate
Ha ha ha…ndobo ati that angry man from Australia ? Lol
awe sure ba Ndobo you have made my day at-least i can afford to go home with a smile after yesterday’s GBV with my wife
I think you are missing the point.. think outside the box. The first thing Dambisa need to understand is that Gates uses numbers while she uses theory… numbers dont lie.. why Gates said what he said was because of how much he has done and still doing for Dambisa’s relatives.
My question is Dambisa what have you done for your fellow africans.?
We know what Gates on the other hand has done, so keep calm until that time when you will have the right info, eventually help the masses.
Ba mock, can you comment. Is the topic too much for you?
Quite interesting reading this piece involving two honorable individuals.I won`t comment much for now.I don`t think this is the end of this publicity stunt .I will wait for a statement from Mr Gates publicity secretary or something.I like the way she has come out.
our girl is on point….ati pantu ni ka bill gates…!!its structural aid given to Govts by donor govts that is dead and rotten and not the aid Bill gives thru his B&M Gates Foundation.. keep it up Dambisa, i bet he did not even read the book,just speaking from a screwed point of view that an African cant talk sense..shame on you Bill,,,,anyway being rich and being intelligent are two different things altogether…
It true, they hardly read boobs written by anyone from the third world . They think we have not enough thinking capacity.
I like your observation about BOOBS!!!!!!1
Bill gates is very intelligent my friend but that is besides the point. Points raised by Dambisa were for his benefit since he has the biggest Charitable organisation and he is some one who really wants to help the poor.
Hey! hey! hey! you bloggers who claim to have degrees, PhD ,,and chakuti na chakuti papers,,, Eg mushota, sobelenge… etc,,your comments please!!! can you please zero in on this issue we want understand abit more,, who is right? Bill Gate or Dambisa moyo? who is tell the truth? Bill Gates or Dambisa Moyo
And you have failed to contribute,you have instead started calling for those people to come to your aid(Maybe dead aid).Lol
@Ndobo, PhD is a speciality. One researches in a particular area and that doesnt make one an expert on every subject matter. Furthermore, for one to intelligently take a position on the argument, one has to have read Dr Moyo’s book and then put into context what Bill’s observations. Just because one has an MSc in Microbiology or a PhD in Fluid dynamics, that in itself does not make him/her an expert on Third world aid and its drawbacks. However, for one who is alive to the aid equation, we know the pros and cons.
Ndobo waonekela,go to school ,not too late for you.
@Robin
awe ba Robin,,, just debate,, dont attack me namikanina.. i have kept my distance on this topic… you educated ones with ama pepala debate tell Dambisa moyo or Bill Gates…not me
we want to read `PhD` english here not those attacks..
where is my comment imwe ba LT??????
you mean you cant see your comment. i can see it..hahahahah
Bill could have been right that aid works, but wrong in saying the book promotes evil, what Dambisa should have written is not about dead, lets face it, there is too much corruption in Africa, she should also have mentioned the issues of managing the AId. IS POOR GOVERNANCE, MANAGEMENT AND HIGH LEVELS OF CORRUPTION THAT MAKES AID DEAD AID.. NOT THAT AFRICAN RECEIVE DEAD AID,, SHE SHOULD HAVE TALKED ABOUT THOSE ISSUES,, AFRICA WILL NEVER DEVELOP AS LONG AS GOVERNANCE ISSUES, CORRUPTION AND MANAGING AID ARE TACKLED, ON SOME LEVEL I AGREE WITH MR GATES… she should not blame AID,, SHE SHOULD BLAME MANAGEMENT OF AID FINANCES NOT AID IN ITSELF.
Bongoz, this is what has also been my only criticism of Dr. Dambisa Moyo’s book. She has brought out interesting points and was smart enough to distinguish the type of aid that is useful and the one that has kept Africa’s economies on their knees.
It may turn out to be a circular argument to try to find out whether aid fuels corruption, or corruption perpetuates aid. Nonetheless, saying no to structural aid should start with putting corruption and financial mismanagement to rest. If we do this, I am persuaded 100% that we would never need structural aid to develop, and I would argue that structural aid weakens our governance systems.
Nothing was researched before print
Economic development is a complex phenomenon that involves a multi-pronged approach. It is therefore not surprising that various authors and schools of thought have developed different theories about economic development. In my opinion, Gates takes a social approach by providing for the poorest of the poor, who lack even the basic needs such as food and clothing. Many other international NGOs have also been known to provide essential services such as clean drinking water, sanitation, health and education. In addition to the social approach, the Zambian government must develop suitable economic and political policies that will positively stimulate industrial, Agricultural and Human development, towards the attainment of economic development.
Typcal Zambian girl that wont allow to be challenged. Billgates has done a lot for the african child. Dambsa go Moyo villagee and touch just a single child by sponsering her to school. The kind of AID by Gates is not DEAD. Dambisa YOU have never stepped in Chibolaya but father to Gates came here and toured Chibolya
I am with you on that one
Zabwino palibe, it would do you a lot of mental freedom a myriad if you understood that there is no such a thing as ‘free lunch.’ Additionally, as a people, we should never be proud to be recipients of structural aid. There is no pride and sense of self worth in begging.
I seriously doubt that you have read the book. Any of you who are criticizing Moyo’s response to Gates have probably not read the book. 1. What she refers to as dead aid and condemns is the effect of multi-lateral (Brent wood type of organisations) and bilateral (inter-government). She also goes on to say that a large extent Africans and the corrupt leaders we have are to blame. She at no point condemns the work of developmental agencies such as the Gates Foundation or the likes of World Vision for instance who intervene is areas of livelihood and humanitarian crisis. So Gates was off the mark and one wonders if he read the book!! I have it on my book shelf and her two subsequent ones ‘Winner Takes All’ and ‘How The West Was Lost’!
Bill Gates is right. Dambisa should have taken time to research and examine which AID is dead an dead and which one is meanigifull. She is an armchair critic period. What has she done for Zambia other than being a Zambia? Go to Chelstone Clinic and see what the Melinda Gates Foundation has and is doing. Then go to an apartment somewhere in America and see what Dambisa is doing? Get real girl
@Ghetto Blaster You may well be telling the truth that upon your physical inspection of the clinic at Chelston in Lusaka, sponsered by Gates you found a successful story and and ideal health centre, providing care for our people. Equally, it may well be true that if we knocked on Dambisa’s door we ll find her surrounded by paper work and books. But, the point here is that how long must we remain dependant on people like Gates who don’t even like us to pay for our hospitals, roads, schools, civil service etc. And after they have built everything for our country, without us contributing a single Zambian Ngwee to our advancement, what sort of people will we be in the end. Won’t our children, and granchildren be slaves of those that would have helped us??
It is not Aid holding Zambia or Africa back. Dambisa, in my opinion, used the issue of Aid to draw popularity to her book.The truth is that many Government programmes are funded by the Aid Miss Moyo says is killing Africa. It is wishful thinking to say the least for one wake up and expect defunct systems will just start working properly and peoples lives will get better. The sad reality is that African governments have failed to derive the full benefits of the abundant natural resources and are left with no resources to build hospitals, schools and invest to create jobs. Aid buys us medicine, builds us schools whilst Governments try to get their acts right. The Aid makes the governments a little lazy…but nothing more.
This is the point you are missing, what Africa needs to develop is fair trade agreements with the west, for all the natural resources that they pull out and process. Aid to fund schools and all those other things you are mentioning are good, but if we trade fairly we can fund our own bugdets and sustain our own development and that’s what they dont want.
Very valid points. We need all that, perhaps as a first step to promote trade within Africa…especially if the west is hellbent on stealing from Africa. My argument was that the book misrepresents the facts about how much aid really helps. Because there are no fair trade agreements…do you want the people in rural areas who benefit from programmes like the Social cash transfer (Funded by Aid Agencies) to wait till such agreements exist? We have to accept our limitations and realistically look at how best we can implement programmes that benefit Zambia until we have a capacity to negotiate fair trade agreements and benefit from meaningful investment . Having said all that, her book would have been better titled ‘Dead Investment’
Your closing point is exactly what is at the centre of the argument presented in Dead Aid!! Aid to the government has led to lazy irresponsible governments and that we would be better of without it.
good argument
We Africans in general are good to make critics. What are you doing about the aid? We just burnt a 750 millions dollars loan. It takes an outsider to really understand that our brothers and sisters are suffering while all we do is go online and post comments. Dambisa is trying to sell the book using the little attacks on Bill Gates.
This is a very shallow criticism of Moyo. So in your view was Gates trying to sale something by attacking the book? Did she ask him to comment on the book and put the spotlight back on it?
blabla…what the guy is saying is that because of Gates being involved in this fiasco many people will want to purchase her book, thus, loot gooes in her bank account.. she is clever
We know Mr Gates because of what he has contributed to the poverty eradication in Zambia,but am not sure of what Moyo has done for Zambia with her PHD,and if she is interested in seeing Africa develop what is she doing out their instead of being in Africa and help it develop,Mr Gates supports a lot of poor children in Zambia in terms of Education,Health, HIV and AIDS,but what project is Moyo working on to see to it that Zambia becomes a better nation or Africa.Talk is cheap, most of these educated people just disappoint us,we just had a professor who was talking a lot about development when he was in UK our president gave him work to do and he failed to deliver,in Africa we what actions not cheap talk,MR BILL GATES keep it up with your Good work in Africa.
@ Mwila, ever heard of a the saying, “a prophet not being accepted in his home land?” There are two ways one can influence change, by funds and by sharing knowledge. The former is easier as you one doesn’t depend on funding and more so when the person is a global personality. As such more doors will open easily for Bill Gates than Dambiso. If African governments were more receptive to the recommendations and criticisms in the book then perhaps Dambiso would have some impact on the ground. Bill Gates may come across as being more effective because he funds the causes he supports from his own money, while Dambiso has made observations and can only be judged if aid givers and recipient governments took corrective measures to the current unequal aid dynamics
This is rather shallow – one is not supposed to have a point if view and express it unless they show u their contribution?
@Mwila
You definitely don’t need to live in Zambia to contribute meaningfully. Dambisa’s book has helped to open eyes that aid does not lead to economic development but to dependency. This is common sense, Chinese proverb says give a man a fish you feed him for one day, teach him fishing you feed him for life. Western aid isn’t designed to feed us for life but to be dependent on aid for life. Are you comfortable with that? How would you feel if your rich neighbour contributed 60% percent of your eating money and your wife’s cosmetic budget? We know for sure Africa is the richest continent but we have been brainwashed and convinced that we are poor and we behave as such. I would accept my neighbour’s assistance in an emergency but not as a matter of course.
We know Mr Gates because of what he has contributed to the poverty eradication in Zambia,but am not sure of what Moyo has done for Zambia with her PHD,and if she is interested in seeing Africa develop what is she doing out their instead of being in Africa and help it develop,Mr Gates supports a lot of poor children in Zambia in terms of Education,Health, HIV and AIDS,but what project is Moyo working on to see to it that Zambia becomes a better nation or Africa.Talk is cheap, most of these educated people just disappoint us,we just had a professor who was talking a lot about development when he was in UK our president gave him work to do and he failed to deliver,in Africa we what actions not cheap
talk,MR BILL GATES keep it up with your Good work in Africa.
Dr. Moyo thinks that instead of trying to find the cure for malaria with the millions of “aid money” he pumps into the continent. Bill gates should rather build “modern” technological institutions or improved academic infrastructure for training future leaders and scientists who will not only find the cure for malaria, but also move the continent forward. After all, he BILL GATES did not make his billions by sleeping in a mosquito net or by using mosquito repellent. He went into venture capitalism. So the least he could to is to provide training for the next AFRICAN BILL GATES! …And that should help the continent.
Bill Gates comment is rather disappointing – the moderator has a point: I doubt that he understands the point (read the book)!
For every dollar given in structural aid (not NGO aid) twelve dollars goes back to the west! Zambia has lost over 10 billion dollars in tax avoidance in the last 5 years and much much more in trade imbalances: why not fix that instead of giving aid. This is the point!!!
If Bill was to cut aid just for a month. I wonder what would become of the world and the poor in particular not forgetting HIV/AIDS funding for ARV’s e.t.c!
I think her book had good intentions though you messed (or still messing) with the wrong MAN!!!! You are blaming Bill coz despite your education, you have no slight idea of how much the guy has sacrificed for Africa!!!!!!!!
I don’t think in her book she has blamed gates. A question was asked by a student and referred to Dr Moyo’s book, of which gates responded saying she knows little about aid. She then responds to the statement gates made.
@kanabesa
Did Bill gates sacrifice for Africa, or he was just generous with his excess cash. There is a difference.
He might mean well. But long term, we don’t want to be beggers forever. No begger can ever build a house. Only self promoted hard work will bring prosperity. Dr.. has a valid point.. way to go doc.
One is rich and HAS practically helped the world and its people, the other is not poor but just theoretical, and not a single soul has benefitted from their ideas!
Well getting the two stories correctly, i hear Bill responding from the foundation position while Dambisa is talking about aid from the structural position. In a way both have a point. Bill’s point is that the programmes he has been promoting have made a difference and he has evidence of it unless we are saying the evidence that Bill has is cooked, in a way it could be cooked by these hungry NGOs to satisfy their bellies. Dambisa is spot on that aid has stiffled Africa’s growth a point that Bill failed to appreciate because he did not want to put his friends on the spot and also he was trying to shield his foundation from condemnation. Bill definitely has poured a lot of money in Africa much of it in health but let him come out if that money was aid or research.
Yes, Bill has poured money in Africa but he has also killed many children with his vaccines..
Theis stuff you never hear about Bill. Don’t be blind Africans
http://www.infowars.com/at-least-50-african-children-paralyzed-after-receiving-bill-gates-backed-meningitis-vaccine/
Typical devil, his part of the cartel. Why on earth would a slave-masters child want to help the relatives of slaves. Lets be careful. Just study his face when he speaks..lies lies and more lies. Lets be careful and wake up!
PaZED data. Why the did the so called missionaries come with Bible on one hand and guns on other hand in Africa
I think people like “Dumb” have taken bill for Granted! Imagine how RICH the Guy would be if he wasn’t wasting money on ungrateful people like “Dumb”. Steve Jobs was right when he said he never believed in Donating funds!
Typical of people who dont read. Follow the argument well and then put your thesis to test. That is what Dambisa has done. How long have we been receiving aid in Zambia and what is there to show for it? She certainly is not against AID but that which adds no value to the receiver is definitely dead. However people like you how little abilities to analyse issues hence your rush for insults. Mr. Gates is doing a lot of work but that doesnot give him a passport to be insolent. No one is forcing him to give.
Bill Gates and the cartel that supports him, basically, NEED to give to Africa, its the only hope they have of taking part in the action. The way the system works is this…They give x amount of AID and it looks good for PR, but on the same day American or EU mining firms will steal from African countries more than what they give, by way of avoiding to pay taxes..e.g the story of GLENCORE. Further, because AID money takes up a significant portion of our revenue, our politians in effect stop working for us, as they get more MONEY from AID than they do from taxes. So, outsiders or donors will call the shots, and tell our leaders how to run our countries..therefore contributing to our political MESS. Bill Gate and Co. are not stupid, they know what they are doing. Ba ba pe pange.
Moyo is a great girl , her argument is mature and showing that she is an intellectual for sure. As she has told Bill gates, Dead Aid is not welcome in Africa particularly Zambia. This does not mean that I and Moyo are saying no to AID but a big NO to that AID which add no value to our livelihood.
On this one Moyo 10 – 0 Bill Gate.
Nomba iwe Moyo Cant I come for you? Ka love kabili. hahaha.
Peace and Prosperity to Mother Zambia.
Bill Gates is not and will never be African no matter how much he tries to give Africans. Dambisa illustrates how aid affects us with an African point of view.
Go Dambisa! We are behind you,
#dataunzastudent
Its just on paper. what has she done that we can see. Have have three Masters degrees and studying for my PHD. Its don’t make me rule the world.
Ba Mulenga, I am not entirely sure people get PhD’s to rule the world. One said, “Getting a PhD makes one realise that they know so much about very little”
Don’t listen to that devil, whose value system says we must reduce the population of Africa by 2 billion people. Whose value system is bent on keeping us poor. The whole of Africa supports you our sister.
Typical African thinking,shame.
@Concerned What do you mean when you say typical African thinking?? Of course I am African from the region of Zambia, how on earth do you want me to think?? Like a Japanese, a European or American?? American thinking says lets give all the inhabitants of central Africa, the richest part of the world in terms of natural resources and beauty, HIV/AIDS through vaccinations, so they can all die or reduce in number and we steal their wealth. If you don’t believe study Henry Kissinger, US secretary of state in the 70’s. I v read Dambisa’s book and she indeed does make a solid case..mentioning African rural successes such as Mpesa in Kenya, how AID money kills the village economy, ALL of a sudden because the entire village can receive free food/clothes parcels from AID, all the Tuntemba’s…
There are two issues here:
1. Bill Gates was very patronising and even dismissive in the way he answered the question on Dead Aid, which i doubt he has even read. If he has not read, it would have been fair and mature for him to just state that. Assuming he had read the book, it was equally wrong to just go and attack the personality instead of addressing her thesis. To just state that she doesnt understand Aid and how it works and that her work is promoting evil, is not only sad but symptomatic of a stereotype response from someone egocentric.
2. Bill Gates and His Gates-Miranda Foundation are involved in charity work and I am sure he felt that their work is challenged by the Dr. Moro’s book, he deliberately, or unknowingly, if we conclude that he has not read the book!!!
Spot on @Sansamukeni; if anything, Bill should have given counsel to Moyo in a more civilised and mature way. Despite the colossal sums of money Bill has, it just shows how limited his thought process is as a human being.
This dumb girl is what we used to call a ‘noise maker’ at school, Another misguided academic. Gates has firsthand information of what aid can do. It’s your take who to believe
If mr. Gates had time to read the book, he would have known that dr. Moyo discusses largely structured aid. she gives an historical review of aid from the 60s to the 90s. she talks about how good governments have used aid well and how corruption, civil wars etc have hampered good use of aid. in chapter 6 she gives DR Congo as an example. so it is aid given to governments to execute programs that has mostly failed. Aid that has been given to private sectors for programs has impacted positively on the life of the poor, just like some of mr. Gates help has positively changed some african lives. in 2007, global funds suspended its aid to GRZ for some health programs and instead funded CHAZ hugely for same projects.
He hasn’t read the book – even the moderator thought as much! What a shame – wanting to appear intelligent when he is out of his depths. I
@ Robin you are lying. The vaccines are potent and polio is nearly eradicated from the face of Earth. Zambia has been declared polio free thanks to polio vaccines. I think we should not run away from the arguments about Aid. Dambisa herself has no problem about debating her theories but she is against personal attack. I totally agree with her that personal attacks should never be part of academic, Scientific, economic, political or any debate. It was wrong for Mr. Gates to attack her personally but it is extremely wrong for you ROBIN to spread falsehoods.
Iwe just google his works,someone up there has given a link follow it.
FOR THE RECORD, I AM A PHD IN ENGINEERING MANAGEMENT & KNOW THAT TODAY’S PHDS ARE NOT WORTHY THE PAPER THEY ARE WRITTEN ON. DAMBISA IS PLAYING THE CHIRWA GAME. BIG MOUTH, NO SUBSTANCE. BIG MOUTH, NO ACTION – BASICALLY EMPTY SUIT. LET HER WORKS SPEAK LIKE THE KENYAN NOBEL LAUREATE WANGARI MAATHAI.
BIG GATES, HATE OR LOVE HIM, HIS WORKS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES – SELF MADE ENTREPRENEUR, GIVEN & STILL GIVING BILLIONS OF PHILANTHROPY DOLLARS. ANYBODY CAN WRITE A BOOK – GO DO WORKS, WORKS, WORKS AND STOP BARKING!!!!!
With your PhD I was expecting a bit more. You studied engineering not Development Studies stick to your field
@lwiindi
kakakakakakkikik…. waiyasa point!!!
Aah what PhD?
I will not comment!
Going by the scripture, “blessed is the giver than a receiver”. therefore these whites know the secret in giving. hence us the receivers are not equally blessed as the whites. in the end will keep on begging.
amen to that. Aid has merits and demerits depending on the motive of the giver. It can either enslave you or it can work for the good of majority BUT most aid is given so that the giver stand to benefit from something that the receiver might regard as having low value but in actual sense it has or because the recepient has no means of using what he/she have to drive maximum benefits from it.
You misquote the scripture here..Bill Gates and the cartel that supports him, basically, NEED to give to Africa, its the only hope they have of taking part in the action. The way the system works is this…They give x amount of AID and it looks good for PR, but on the same day American or EU mining firms will steal from African countries more than what they give, by way of avoiding to pay taxes..e.g the story of GLENCORE. Further, because AID money takes up a significant portion of our revenue, our politians in effect stop working for us, as they get more MONEY from AID than they do from taxes. So, outsiders or donors will call the shots, and tell our leaders how to run our countries..therefore contributing to our political MESS. Bill Gate and Co. are not stupid, they know what they are do
SORRY BILL GATES NOT BIG GATES (lol)
@Ndobo. The ‘angry’ fellow in Australia won’t know where to begin in this melieu! But insulting anything and everything PF… Oh, there he is tops!
The Australian is another empty tin.He comes only when PF is on. just to insult.
Making windows doesn’t make you Dr. Know it all….go back to school!
See I support the removal of subsidies! Donors have done nothing but subsidize us using their aid. Unlike Bill who thinks computers, Dambisa an economist thinks aid spoils, background rules here . Again looking at the arguments critically, both the computer wizard and the Economist are right. It’s the two sides of the coin:
1) If you get aid and become greedy and embezzle the aid; work hard not to prosper your country so that you could solicit sympathy for more aid, gives a point to Dambisa
2) On the other hand if you work hard and put donor funds to redeem your people from shackles of poverty, remember businesses get loans invest to gain liquidity. If donors give you free money, its a plus- a point to Bill
Dr. Moyo tone down and forgive Bill! it’s a 1-1 state of affairs!
I forgot, Mr. chairman, Bill, you also tone down. You’re belittling the Doc here. You know whats up.
As for you, Dambisa, count it all joy, you just marketed your Book even though Bill wanted to pull it down with impunity! Do’nt mess with the big Galus! Whoof! whoof! whoof! I like the fact that you respect the views of others to having logical and meaningful debates. How sexy! The PC icon missed that! He thought you were Steve Jobs- Apple founder.
I therefore order the Microsoft founder and chairman to unreservedly apologise!
Another very well thought out contribution; am learning a lot today! I am trying to synthesise the articulate arguments put across on this debate so far. This has been one of the stimulating topics on this site.
This is the classical ” Holier than thou” perpetrated by Microsoft and personified by Bill. His Systems are still holding large chunks of the IT world hostage whilst the bucks flow. True the Miranda Foundation pushes lots of direct work but still Dr Moyo has a point that all fair minded scholars, given her premise should support. Structural aid is IN FACT so structured that Africa bears the Net Loss from Slave Trade days to this very day ! Bill Gates’ Microsoft and name them all, they are part of the “structural aid” Moyo is talking about…The most glaring up-yours against this was Bob Geldorf’s attempt to crow-bar past structural aid with Live Aid. Kaunda and others all felt the “structural adjustment programmes” of the IMF/World Bank infamy!! People forget damn easily by God!!…
@33, cant agree with u more.much as we admit tht africa has had its own shortcomings in many areas,we must hold it very strongly against those who at slightest chance want to convince themselves that we are creators of our own impoverishment.only the myopia to the core wud fail to see the amount of damage that neo colonialism and neo liberal/free market systems championed by MNCs have inflicted on our beloved continent
Dambiso is just one of the Africans who end up in in the West and can’t even support her relatives thinking that there is over dependence in Africa. What these people think is that you wake up one day and don’t need any support (AID). What they forget is that systems take long to build. The best you can do Madam Moyo is support just some of your relatives that have failed to go to school so that they could sustain themselves. I totally agree with Bill that you do not know much about AID. PHDs, Research ( we don’t even know what sample and size you considered) will not change the reality. Bill has demonstrated that he could use his intelligence and some of his Money to help a dying child out there while we don’t even know how you are using the money u are earning working at the world…
How do you know she is not supporting them? Do you want her to do it on camera like GBM?
I know her together with her sister Macha.
She just tells her relatives to read her book and get solutions from it.
Do you have an iota of understanding as to what Moyo is talking about? Don’t look like it; The BRICS countries are only now latching onto the “structured world” she is talking about after plodding it their own way – Brazil forfeited its debts in the ’80s whilst Kaunda kept kneeling at the altar of the IMF/World Bank…if the chinese “structured aid” doesn’t zing your synaps then leave Moyo alone. South Korea like Zambia trained loads of its people and ENABLED THEM, AT HOME to step forward and change their lives…you can’t beat on her – its only her learned thesis fulusitopu !
What has crippled Africa is poor leadership selfishness and corruption.
Donors benefit from this system which has done nothing at ALL. Dambisa, is not talking about individuals like Bill Gates. She is talking about GOVERNMENT to GOVERNMENT aid. I don’t understand why readers and commentors miss this point when it comes to making comments on her hard earned work????There is something wrong with the picture of AID.
Ms Moyo I am very disappointed in your argument which does not take the reality side of things but rather theories which you read through your PhD. I believe your thesis was exceptionally good. But you should not be a hypocrite. You are busy enjoying your life in the diaspora and you expect our poor Zambian (African) Kids to be dying of poverty because you want to gain popularity of your book.
To start with you have left out key weakness in our governance system which is chewing the aid that is given to African countries. Corruption is killing us. We see monies going to a few government individuals instead of been channeled to what they are intended for. Mr. Gates has done a lot for Africa especially in reducing poverty and other tropical diseases. What have you done yourself for Africa??
Another person who has jumped on the band wagon to condemn Moyo without reading the book. If you have read her book you will realise that 1. The Aid she condemns is the structural aid aimed at governments and ends up in the pockets of corrupt government leaders… SHE DOES NOT Condemn humanitarian aid. 2. She acknowledges the role that our poor leadership and corruption has played in undermining the effectiveness of AID. So maybe you should argue against her thesis on other grounds other than the ones you have raised above
I read Danbisa’s book. While I think Mr. Gates attacks are vicious and bullish, I contend that Dambisa should also have illustrated cases where aid has worked outside Africa so that Africa can learn from. Cases exist. She should also have clearly outlined the inherent conditions within Africa (weak structures and systems as well as corruption and mismanagement rampant in countries of the south and Africa in particular) and how these affect development via aid. Her book reminds me of the radical views we had at the University of Zambia especially among us in the school of humanities and social sciences (Dambisa was at that time enrolled in the school of natural sciences).
Chester you say that you have read Moyo’s book. I too have read it and I am surprised that don’t seem to have captured from the book that she acknowledge the weak institutions and poor leadership and corruption that plague Africa and as a consequence undermine the effectiveness of Structural Aid
The type of AID we receive, i think you will have a hard time finding any success stories, because it was meant to FAIL. Its not a gift of goodwill in anyway, get that through your head! Maybe Germany, but then what Germany received after the world war was compensation for damages. What we are receiving is neo-colonialist scam. What will work for us is reparations for slavery and colonialism (especially, the unfair wages and working conditions-slave labour- our grandparents went through from 1890’s-1964), and then a proper taxation system. Even better we must run our own mines. And on our part we need a legal framework that works in our favour with regards to people coming to invest in our country. And we must open up Agriculture. These are the things that ll work for us, NOT AID
Bill Gates is wrong. He is a descendant of people who believe that Africa is a dark continent good for nothing. They cant survive unless they receive aid. He argues that aid has contributed to cutting neo-natal death in Africa – well he ignores that Africans are doing very well digging themselves out of poverty. His male ego and lots of money blinds him to that fact. It took almost 120 years for America to be free from poverty – almost 200 for Europe to do so. Zambia and most African countries are only 40 to 50 years old…and we are doing remarkably well. African Governments should therefore start ignoring aid and focus on trade, agriculture and industry. Europe and America are becoming poorer and they will need our food and our industries. Keep it up Dembisa.
@Mwamona Nomba Tell them my brother or Sister, people have eyes to see, ears to hear but we are blind. This is our trouble. ‘My people will perish due to a lack of knowledge.’ We are doing remarkably well, if we compare with where America or England were when they were 50. We must pat ourselves on our backs, we brilliant people us Zambians, and all Africans. The progress is remarkable. The next 100 years are ours, if we can quickly wake up, and seek each others help, and God’s guidance.
Dr Moyo, I have to say that people like you will never appreciate the need to help because u have never been in need.I have seen your book and it appears to be a good theory which is loosely attached to reality. You are busy moaning from a foreign country
about the life you have never experienced because if you really cared about matters of poverty you will be in Zambia right now. I just want to thank Mr Gates for his understanding that a society his built on thousands of words of kindness and compasion .
Very refreshing debate indeed. Considering that self imposed intellectuals like MUSHOTA who’s been studying her PHD for a decade, and ‘Kitwe the cleanest town…” are ziiiiiii!
This self cleansing intellectual exercise is interesting indeed.
What with the weird jeered debate of a certain Southern African leader in East Africa last week! Bill and Dambisa’s is right on as it offers food for thought for scholars and business leaders alike, certainly not Kaponyas!
Spot on Lwiindi!! When the going gets tough……!
Very illuminating debate indeed! More of similar topics ba LT, please!! Notice how few insults, if any there are on this thread?
Doc Dambisa you have encouraged a lot of young people with this book. Even though some would not appreciate the importance of being educated and a woman. God continue blessing you with greater revelation inoreder to curb this disease of Aid.
Continue writing books and articles; you are an inspiration to me! Thank you for schooling the western world.
May I suggest you switch to Linux?
Efintu! No viruses!
Dambiso Moyo is PhD and Bill Gates is a college drop out. Outrightly their analytical depth is different. A Capitalist can not give without the hook benefit. The aid we ‘receive’ is not AID but AIDS. When Clinton was ‘attacked’ by fellow Americans for giving out aid to Africa when America had equally needy people, he said that America gets twice in return for the aid it gives out. Think Guys….these people can NEVER give unless there are benefits to be derived from the ‘giving’.
Gates has no brains only green bucks, hope he follows up his donations and see if it has produced his desired results
Don’t embarrass us with your unsubstantiated research work. I am a recipient of Bill Gates Aid, ask people who have benefited from Aid and they will be a testament. Don’t let Donor’s stop Aid because of your misguided work. You are stable so let others who need Aid benefit, our govt cant do it alone.
Oh please..AID will never stop. If not for any other reason because the West benefits alot from it themselves. WIth AID what would become of the World Bank and the UN which employ Americans and Europeans on multi-millon dollar contracts. For every $1 of aid we receive in Africa be rest assured that atleast 50c finds its way back to the aid givers in form of technical assistance, consultancy fees etc. I speak from an informed view point as I work in the development finance space and privy to how aid and development projects funded by the west are developed. So the west need to deliver aid probably more than we need to receive it. May I add that I am referring to structural aid and not humanitarian aid
@Blabla tell them Bwana, we don’t who our enemies are. AID is a trap, so is the debt that we owe. Thomas Sankara encouraged not to pay any of it. Check out Thomas Sankara. They know very well that they are finished…and that our glory is coming according to God’s justice for the African people, and so when our day comes they simply want to see, look we sort of helped you a bit, please let us in. Really, its like those proverbial guests/abeni that come to your fathers house, and then they steal all your little brothers and sisters, take your mother, steal all your cups and dishes..and then they go away, then after 50 years he comes back when your household has just started recovering, and then offers you a few of his worthless dollars and asks if he can move into your house again.
Would you let him in again?? I would say let him in at your own peril.
Gates is right. The book & presentation done in Lusaka showed that no critical research was undertaken. No shakers & movers of aid were involved. Gates is practical & need no papers to show for it. He has done what you & us failed to translate beyond our bellies success. Learn from successful people.
Aid makes us even more lazy and limits those who want to work hard! Dambisa is spot on in her book. African governments make budgets on money they hope to receive through AID! A very dangerous way to conduct affairs… People: We need to work hard, lets graft hard, AID in whatever form will never take us anywhere. We have the resources.
Moyo will be always right…This is Aid is Evil.
Since the Eurobond is in play let’s prove a dissertation bane!
Don’t criticize Moyo haphazardly, read her book. I agree with Moyo on many aspect. its high time Africans ,particularly Zambian, started taking responsibility of their your problems, I mean solving your own created mess, Zambia does not need any more aid to DEVELOP, it needs moral support and guidance to harness her resources to develop. Aid does more harm than good. There are so many strings attached that sometime I feel that hampers our growth as a people.We emphasize too greatly on our need for aid, So much that we’ve been crippled and made ourselves totally dependent on foreign aid. SHAME
Awe kwena ba Ndobo Mwatupwisha fwebama Diploma lelo,on this one we shall just watch from a distance tata abama Degree nama PHD mayo naleta baletaliaka.
sure my bro…from a distance…
Impact Evaluation
1. What had Dead Aid done for Zambia?
2. What had Bill Gates done for Zambia?
Perfect summary!
HIPIC and laziness =Dead Aid
You nailed it princess …right in the money …
Even a fool can see that aid has been the root of corruption and has crippled Africa. Bill Gates is looking at his pocket, Dambisa is looking at the people. Im in total support of Dambisa. May the Almighty God bless you and give you success over all your opponents and enemies.
are subsidies part of aid(ubwafwilisho)donating,donating or are we being told living on handouts is the way to go?may this (y) pf is removing some of these things..stand to be corrected. some of this aid comes with conditions attached see how most of the companies were privatised sending millions of employees to he streets….So has Aid worked to the advantage of africans or has africa been disadvantaged?
aah.aah..nafuti!! subsidies also in the mix…
What l find foolish about dumbiso’s thesis is blaming the people that are trying to help and leaving the real culprits I scaled. We all know that most of the failure of aid programs is due to corrupt and incompetent leaderships, such as the one we ushered in here 2 years ago.
The same aid has performed well in countries where there is little corruption and competent leaders. Furthermore , it is almost impossible for certain areas such as education, health, research to attract the investment that she advocates. Foreign investors can only invest in mineral resources and the like.
Personally l am fed up of such academics that have no real solutions. I think Bill was modest in criticizing her, given she has no real experience on the ground dealing with developmental issues
Jane go read the book before you criticise. Moyo in her book acknowledges the role that poor leadership and corruption has played in undermining the effectiveness of Aid
Give us a take – which AFRICAN country or indeed any 3rd W country has passed the Net Loss Threshold which is the spirit of Moyo’s “Dead Aid”?
JANE & Mr TEMBO, these rich people dont want us to comeout of the hole…Dambisa is not blaming anyone…all she is saying is that IMF & these lenders are giving money with conditions they know that African countries cant full fill. This results into financial slavery…So instead they should change the way they are giving and set achievable standards. Zambias debt can never be paid back hence we have to get into indefinate contracts and offer our resources for “free” as a payback….all at the expense of you and me. There is a solution, the only thins is that these rich people dont want us to comeout of the hole…
JANE & Mr TEMBO, these rich people dont want us to comeout of the hole…Dambisa is not blaming anyone…all she is saying is that IMF & these lenders are giving money with conditions they know that African countries cant full fill. This results into financial slavery…So instead they should change the way they are giving and set achievable standards. Zambias debt can never be paid back hence we have to get into indefinate contracts and offer our resources for “free” as a payback….all at the expense of you and me. There is a solution, the only thins is that these rich people dont want us to comeout of the hole…
I think we all have heard the argument being forwarded by the two involved, Gates and Moyo. I would like us as Zambians and Africans to learn something out of this argument. I feel there are two things involved here;
1. Professional debate is that which is done at the level of pointing out what is wrong with the idea someone has fielded and not what is wrong with the fielder. Thus I would state here that it was folly of Mr. Gates irrespective of his standing in the world of Aid to Africa to personally attack Dr. Moyo’s standing instead of the ideas in discussion. In this view I agree with Dr. Moyo that Mr. Gates should be on the same wave length with her in as far as the issues being raised on abuse of aid in Africa is concerned.
2. I also wish us to understand that Dr. Moyo’s book,…
My second point was that Dr. Moyo’s book acknowledges that there is good and bad aid and its the bad aid that she calls ‘Dead Aid’. I, therefore, feel that Mr. Gates remarks came as a result of hearsay and not out of an understanding of the topics discussed in the actual book, “Dead Aid” because had he taken time to read it he would have discovered that the Dr. actually appreciated the type of aid that Mr. Gates offers to Zambia and to Africa as a whole let alone to all under privileged people of the world. What Dr. Moyo discusses in her book is the way structural aid is given and used. Its the conditionalities and resultant negative impact on the very poor it was intended to help. I would think these two are supposed to talk the same language given the issue at hand to help stop bad…
Dambisa Moyo should stick to the logical agument and not try to gain leverage by rushing to talk about her eduction- typical African approach. One does not need a PHD to understand issues.
Very valid point, she should approach it in a better way, and keep in mind that shes not dealing with simple people despite her high education…!!
My o my! A simple take
Prosecution: your was extracted from your condensed breath in your secret girlfriend’s room, who has been murdered and so you are guilty
You: Since I was often there I’m partly guilty…
Muzinvela, not all issues are just issues,the premise of a PhD thesis is best discussed in the Bar or Mojo’s Joint – leave the kitchen if you can’t cook! Jesus wept…
I forgot, Mr. chairman, Bill, you also tone down. You’re belittling the Doc here. You know whats up.
As for you, Dambisa, count it all joy, you just marketed your Book even though Bill wanted to pull it down with impunity! Do’nt mess with the big Galus! Whoof! whoof! whoof! I like the fact that you respect the views of others to having logical and meaningful debates. How sexy! The PC icon missed that! He thought you were Steve Jobs- Apple founder.
I therefore order the Microsoft founder and chairman to unreservedly apologise!
We Africans are very ungrateful and selfish. We blame others for our own failures. We want to blame the white man for lack water in our homes even when we live next to a river. Even after 50 years of independence we cry colonialism. In abundance of water a full is thirsty.
lack of water
ZAMBIANS…..PLEASE BEFORE YOU JUDGE DAMBISA YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND “AID” AND WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT. FIRST OF ALL ” ZAMBIANS SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF HER” TO HAVE SUCH A GREAT DEVELOPMENT ECONOMIST. “AID” AND I REPEAT “AID” DOES NOT LEAD TO GROWTH..AND THIS IS WHAT ZAMBIA NEEDS TO DEVELOP…..HERE IS THE MODEL THE IMF AND WORLD BANK USE AS A REMEDY FOR GROWTH…(Harrod–Domar model)…..THIS MODEL HAS NEVER WORKED AND YET THEY CONTINUE TO USE IT EVEN WHEN THE AUTHORS OF THIS MODEL ACKNOWLEDGED LATER THAT “AID” DOESN’T LEAD TO GROWTH..SEE THE SOLOW MODEL….
We need it for sustainability not growth naimwe
I just love this gal..go gal go..that man should have had proper arguments..viva !!
iwe ka Dambisa, Bill Gates donates millions when he doesnt have to. How much have you donated yourself, just writing books wont help people in Chibolya
ZAMBIANS “BILL GATES” IS JUST ANOTHER HUMAN BEING WITH AN OPINION, HIS OPINION IS NOT GOSPEL AND DOESN’T DO ANY GOOD FOR ZAMBIA. YES WE APPRECIATE “AID” BUT NOT THAT DAMBISA MOYO SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT THERE IS GOOD AND BAD AID….READ HER BOOK AND MAKE YOUR OWN JUDGEMENT..I STUDIED ECONOMICS AT A GOOD AMERICAN UNIVERSITY AND “DEAD AID” WAS PART OF THE COURSE READINGS…THE PROFESSOR WAS SO ENLIGHTENED BY THE BOOK AND HER TOO LIKE HER STUDIED AT HARVARD..PLEASE READ THE BOOK DON’T JUST JUDGE HER BECAUSE SHE CAN STAND UP AGAINST BILL GATES..
Typical Zambian mentality indeed: Gates = High school dropout = making billions = helping millions. Dambiso = PhD = writing one book = making nothing = helping no on. Go figure.
She has actually written two additional books after ‘Dead Aid’ which have done very well too: 1. How the West was Lost. 2. Winner Takes All
THIS IS THE PROBLEM WE ARE NO SEEING IN ZAMBIA WHICH WAS THE PROBLEM OF THE 1828 ELECTION OF ANDREW JACKSON IN AMERICA WHERE ITS NOW A SIN TO BE EDUCATED IN OUR COUNTRY……..ZAMBIANS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE WORK SHE IS DOING IS MOSTLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF ZAMBIA..NOT ONLY HER WORK BUT THAT OF MANY ZAMBIANS IN AND OUT OF ZAMBIA…PLEASE ZAMBIANS LEARN TO BE GRATEFUL…
Ok now Lusaka Times remove yourself from my mail box….I’ve already tried 5times to disable the notifications. Thank you
Gates = High school dropout = making billions = helping millions. Dambiso = PhD = writing one book = making nothing = helping no one. Go figure.
OK ZAMBIA YOU ARE RATHER MOST OF YOU THINK DAMBISA MOYO SHOULDN’T RESPOND TO BILL GATES IN THAT MANNER,BUT WHY THEN DID BILL GATES ATTACK HER OPINION IN THAT MANNER…WHY DIDN’T YOU ZAMBIANS SAY SOMETHING WHEN IT WAS “WILLIAM EASTERLY” AN AMERICAN WHO SAID THAT AID DOESN’T HELP THE POOR AND THIS IS A GUY WHO WORKED FOR THE WORLD BANK AND A GREAT ECONOMIST AT THAT. MOST OF YOU CHAPS ON HERE ARE THE REASON WHY AMERICAN COUNTRIES ARE STILL POOR..NO WONDER YOU VOTED SATA IN POWER..
SORRY MEANT AFRICAN COUNTRIES ARE STILL POOR
THIS IS THE PROBLEM WE ARE NO SEEING IN ZAMBIA WHICH WAS THE PROBLEM OF THE 1828 ELECTION OF ANDREW JACKSON IN AMERICA WHERE ITS NOW A SIN TO BE EDUCATED IN OUR COUNTRY……..ZAMBIANS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE WORK SHE IS DOING IS MOSTLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF ZAMBIA..NOT ONLY HER WORK BUT THAT OF MANY ZAMBIANS IN AND OUT OF ZAMBIA…PLEASE ZAMBIANS LEARN TO BE GRATEFUL…
There’s a disconnect between what aid Moyo writes about and the aid that Mr Gates deals with.Ms Moyo is concerned with long term aid with economic devt and poverty eradication as its core while Mr Gates is all about emergency aid involved in disease eradication and saving lives.The former depends much on govt while the latter deals with private people to private people type of aid.The two are mutually exclusive and thats why they don’t see eye to eye.
Sue his arse baby. You & I can setup together and live happily ever after.
No need to…. as this is valuable publicity for her and her publishing house; the are also people out there who have never read the book and will at this moment be on the internet now ordering the book just because of Bill Gates utterances.
YABA. I shall not comment the answer to this puzzle. It is very simple. Most of the people attacking Dambisa above are women, do you wonder why? Bill gates is right about his donations only, Dambisa is right about her book and research. What’s wrong are they people above arguing lol.
Its evident from that short clip that Bill Gates is confusing the arguments here about structural aid with those about emergency/ humanitarian/ NGO aid.
Bill is not that naive – you ask some of the world’s most successful people out there what their secret of success is, they would tell you that giving is the secret of success. It is a law of the universe that what you give out will come back to you multiplied. Abundant people may create business to make money. But it is not their business workings alone that bring them the success. It is actually their giving that prospers them. The more they give outside of their business, the more their business prospers and the wealthier they become. Bill Gates becoming the richest man again beating Mr. Carlo Slim is testament to that “giving”.
Are you referring to tax write-offs?
Aid is very degrading. Get your butts off the floor and work for your living. What aid did you need when you were dressed in loin clothes and gathering wild fruit in days gone by?
“Borrower, lender neither be!
if you borrow money from a man, you make him your master!
if you lend money to a man, you make him your enemy!”
@ Ba ‘confused’ Ndobo challenged us bloggers to debate the issues of AID raised by Dambisa and Bill Gates not to goggle some stupit material and paste it here…!!! Whats that anyway?? Grade 5 poem or something???
Dambisa, though a theorist has every right to hit back at Bill Gates, if only to ensure that her works are not thrown into an abyss by one of the worlds most influential person. Both seem to be protecting their egos; Gates philanthropic inclination and Dambisa’s new found academic leanings. If Gates supported Dambisa, he will not only be shooting himself in the foot but undoing all his works. Dambisa’s book questions among others, albeit in a veiled way, the manner in which western money is forced into the gullets of gullible African governments. In a way both Dambisa and Gates have weird interests to protect. Probably they should be allowed to feature in a debate; Let the people say, style using an appropriate medium.
Awe ba bilgates nabo money does not necessarily make you an accademic . This is the case of an accademic vs a drop out . The best way to shoot down an idea is not by getting rid of the person with the idea but rather coming up with a better one. Bill gates should have justified his reasoning by launching a logical counter argument..Dr fimo fimo well done we are black but not stupid. Bill Gates does not posses the first hand experience , they dwell on hear say chapwa..ukutumpa
is the hair Dabwisha is wearing dead aid? or dead Indian girls hair. Never mind, she’s looking dead gorgeous and I need no aid there.
kikakakaiakkkiki… dead indian hair…
uko…iliko!!!
What both Dambisa and Bill forget to mention is that not much aid goes to whoever it is intended for. One has to consider the admin costs for example . It costs a great deal of money to run charities because employees have to be paid. The bigger the organisation the more money going to the employees. For example out of the £10 donated only £1 goes to the receipients and the rest to admin costs, by the time the big thieves get their hands on it there is only little left for . Bill and the other big donors use their charities for tax purposes , it is basically a way of avoiding to pay big taxes. I am not an expert just putting a few facts forward. Dambisa should have done more research on that but I suspect the book itself was supposed to draw attention to the aid given to Africa.
There is a particular type of AID that Dambiso is referring to. It is the short term solving of the daily grinds of a people. Things they need to have been able to self-sustain by now. It is the dependency syndrome type of aid – where they give it to you so you remain where you are – lack of economic independence. If you became sel-reliant, how would the West make their money? What they give you is a ‘tip’ of what they syphon. So you have to ask yourselves from what perspective Bill Gates is arguing, albeit unprofessionally. He is simply saying; “Haven’t you seen how my billions have saved your people”? Whereas Dambiso is saying; “for as long as we expect and accept those short-term handouts, we will never develop initiative that will emancipate us from economic bondage.”
Moyo you are brilliant my girl,the truth hates thats why Mr. Gates is unleashing his anger on you. most people dont realise that these people are selfish and they are slowly trying to buy Africa off especially Zambia in the name of aid meanwhile they steal so much from us. Sharp Girl Zambia will defend you no need to worry 🙂
The other problem I note here, is a reluctance by a lot of people to criticise the ‘cash bull’. Being rich doesn’t make you right in an argument – neither does giving justify your misdeeds. Which reminds me of the excitement that has been exhibited by some bloggers over GBM’s apparent generosity. In the same vein as his ‘generosity’ he has alluded to the fact that there is nothing wrong in ‘pinching’ each other in a marriage. In his case it was a matter of full batter which almost resulted in his wife’s death. To justify that with his ‘pinch’ story is pathetic. In peoples ululations about his donations, (even among some bloggers on this forum) the constant abuse and trampling of womens and young girls rights is lost. Hence the perpetuation of suffering – just like the dead AID
I doubt if you have lived in Africa my friend were a mother walks over 10 km with labour pains to deliver with complications in a rural health centre. If you new how people have suffered in the rural areas were people like Mr. Gates are pumping money to reduce infant and maternal mortality, then you will have nothing but praise for the donors. This Dambisa has seen no suffering except reading books and criticizing people who are making a difference.
Bill gates is talking from a practical point of view,Dambisa have you been to shangombo,you would not even wear that weave for dead indian girls due to heat.
@Robin my friend don’t think about shangombo and dream about poverty,people talk about shangombo due to distance and lack of infrastructure for your own information some people are even better than you.You are self defeated hence you cant stand up and raise your voice.Understand the story before you think of a comment.
she is not talking about emergency and NGO donations. but budgetary Aid which leaves Africa highly indebted,also some well meant Aid leaves us dependency and fail to work hard.for instance we just graduated from HIPIC completion point.I hope you understand now.
Anything for free is no good ,thats y l support Dambisa and l say push on my Lady Africans think they cant do without aid but what they dont understand is that it comes with conditions its like the issue of subsidies ,u have to sacrifise in order to gain something just like praying u have to fast inorder for God to listen to u it shows seriousness, and hardwork must be a companiment.
Good evening
Much as donor support has contributed a lot towards saving lives and improving health standards on the continent, there are a lot of disadvantages and side-effects about Aid to Africa that cannot be overlooked.
Dambisa Moyo was not the first to point out this fact in her book. As far back as the independence era, African freedom fighters themselves realised that money alone was not the missing key for their prosperity. They knew that the power to transform their lives lied within and not without.
As a businessman himself, I’m sure Bill Gates knows that money can only yield the desired results if certain prerequisites like philanthropy and infrastructure are available. However, for reasons too complex to delve into now, the man cannot afford to stop giving aid.
Hi Nine Chali
I have not seen your contribution for quite sometime; good to note you are still about. Whatever happened to” Ba Moze” and “Maestro He he he”?
When the right hand gives the left one is not supposed to know. Giving is a virtue. Both
have given only that one in material form while the other in knowledge. The Chinese
say acquiring fishing skills is better than receiving tons of fish.
Dambiso has the point this mindset of John solye ubwali is not encouraged.the government in Africa must be self reliant not always counting on donor countries,no wonder they take too long to implement useful projects.
Abash dead subsidies. Any similarities?
Excuse me were can I get her books please.Dead Aid and the other?
Moyo was mostly educated and trained in the West and it appears as if her book has sabotaged ” a blood vessel” in so far as the response from Bill is concerned. I would like to think that the West do not take kindly to someone they feel has come through their system to espouse a divergent view from the status quo; hence, shoot her down if possible. The fact is both have their own respective and meaningful contribution to the well being of the disadvantaged; yes, one cannot eat words but they enable one to think of alternative. On the other hand, Bill’s millions in aid offer a practical solution to the needy. If anything, Moyo’s work should be tried and supported by those with the financial muscle to see whether it could work.
Moyo’s views as epoused in her book are not original. They have been pushed by anti third- world politicians (conservatives) in America and Europe for decades and there were at least a couple of books written on this same subject prior to Moyo’s. Hers became prominent because she originates from Africa. So, I am sure, Bill Gates was fully aware of these views even before Dambiso Moyo’s book came on the scene. The same argument is used against the government providing a safenet for the poor in places like USA.
Dambisa Moyo can go to hell with her trashy book and i think Bill Gates is the one who makes sense of the two protagonists.She lost me when her book came out and i realised she only toured those places where her book would sell well like Europe,USA & South africa.The folks who need her anti aid gospel the most are not in the places she toured but are located in places like Mali,Guinea,Ethiopia or even chibolya and msisi .Thats when i knew her motive is not to help the poor but to sell her book.Let this opportunist go to Mali ,Chad or chibolya to the poor folks if she is really interested in the poor folks but i can bet you a million bucks that my challenge won’t be met by this Moyo opportunist.
@Harold Muna….. are you ‘Dabwisa’in disguise? I haven’t read the book but checked out the blurb. Your post is making sense. I plan to go out and buy the book tomorrow. One was right about pushing the sales of DEAD AID up. This is big for Dr. Moyo and should present itself as an opportunity for her to do more to prove her theories in her faculties. There is still the heated debate over subsidies and i have no doubt her input would have been immense. Microsoft being awarded ‘sole’ rights by the European Union to develop non-compatible voice/video protocols in their multibillion dollar Skype scoop. His company has always flouted the laws regarding fair playing field. MS is seeking to monopolise this technology and tie us back into everything MS.. MSskype, MSvideo, MSchat.. OS…
Bill Gates is a failed college student. He made money over the Y2K mess that robbed all of us. Microsoft is not his brain child. An opportunist who is supporting human depopulation and now wants to control food through Monsanto which now exists in Zambia as Monsanto Zambia. He wants to donate poisonous foods to us through his GMO food so that we are depopulated. Dr. Moyo we have our eyes open and we know what is happening. I have read you book and I love it.
Actually it was Gary Kildall who invented the first operating system… Patterson bought it for 5 bucks at a hackers computer store. All Patterson did was switch the A drive and the C drive and called it his own. IBM went to Kildall first but he wasn’t home and his wife wouldn’t sign the non-disclosure paper. Then Bill Gates called Patterson and gave him 50,000 for the operating system and all the rights to it. Kildall was killed in a bar fight in 1994 after becoming an alcoholic because he watched his life’s work being taken from him. Tim Patterson and Microsoft didn’t actually do anything. Tim Patterson (with a little help from Bill and Steve) created DOS. Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer worked together on the first GUI OS (Windows).
Prof. Chriwa and Dambiso get a lot of comments on LT more than Father Bwalya, HH and Sata put together!
ZAMBIANS ARE USELESS CHAPS REALLY..AID HAS BEEN FLOWING IN ZAMBIA FOR YEARS AND YET PEOPLE’S LIVES ARE STILL THE SAME…VERY POOOOOORRRRR… BILL GATES GIVES AND GETS VAST TAX INCENTIVES FROM THE IRS FOR GIVING, SOMETHING THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER LIVED IN AMERICA DON’T KNOW. AID IN AMERICA IS A VAST BUSINESS EMPLOYING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, IF AID STOPPED ALL THESE PEOPLE WOULD ADD TO THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE…ZAMBIANS WILL REMAIN POOR BECAUSE OF THEIR THINKING..AND JUST BECAUSE YOU LIVE OUTSIDE ZAMBIA DOESN’T MEAN YOU UNDERSTAND ANYTHING…
ZAMBIANS ZAMBIANS WHAT A SHAME REALLY..CRAB MENTALITY… JUST APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE WOMAN KNOWS DEVELOPMENT ECONOMICS AND IS AMONG THE TOP OF THE CROP IN THE WORLD ON THE SUBJECT….STOP HATINNNNNNNNNN…SOME OF YOU CHAPS CAN’T EVEN READ A BOOK……READ HER BOOK BEFORE YOU TALK..
Dambisa and Bill are two very smart people who know exactly where they each stand. Bill knows Dambisa was talking about structural aid, which, inarguably has had dismal results in Africa. Dambisa on the other hand has cited, which I believe qualifies as personal, people like Bono, about their work on the continent in a seemingly condescending way. That is not expected to be noted lightly by other philanthropists like Bill. Bill calling her book evil, and Dambisa crying about being attacked personally is just playing to us, the gallery.
This is just Bill Gates protecting his money. For those that don’t know. He gets all the money he donates back as a tax credit. Every single dime. If he didn’t donate it, Uncle Sam would have to get it. So what best way of staying wealthy is to keep some parts of the world poor. Solution to the poor problem is for the super powers and the UN to pass a global law that any company doing business in any county should pay 15% tax to the local govt. No exceptions. No gimmicks.
May be Bill doesn’t want any more criticism from any Zambian after so much help to the country’s poorest of the poor. Especially that his former President George Walker Bush was equally berated by one Micheal Chilufya Sata as a “colonialist coming back to Africa to pay”, after the former spent an entire week with Laura his wife and their twin daughter, in a sleepy dusty pot holed rural Zambian mining town of Kabwe doing community work for the poor.
Bush’s response to Sata, “Mr. President, I don’t wanna argue with you!”. What was Bill’s response to Moyo? Evil?
Both Bill And Dambisa could be right in their on way. One is helping while the other is analyzing the help.They are so many ways at reaching the intended objectives but both have chosen what best suits them. Now the problem could be the subject who is the recipient. was the book addressing problems of Europe, Asia, or Latin America? and was the aid meant for same places. Nope I am sure it was about Africa and particular Zambia.They is a saying in Chinese – Don’t give a man a fish, he will have no fish at all, he will eat it and look forward to receiving another one, rather teach him how to fish he will have fish throughout his life.There is also a concept of “Buyer beware”, it is also true “Receiver be aware” one writes a book and sells – good income. And the other donates good PR…
Continued… both wins. who loses then? the writer or the giver? People think. Both the writer and the giver don’t have to prove a case in what they are doing because they are winners in the game. The problem is the recipient. Aids have poured into Africa for so many years and yet the begging hand is always up why?How does aid get into Africa in the first place? It is a disease the west have taken advantage of and Africans seems not to care as along as there are hand outs.Change the mentality of blaming colonization, there is no excuse for Africans to take orderliness of their respective countries.Africa has great talent and resources but the elephant is still sleeping, for how long?Know what you ask and receive; if it does not give value why take it.Behind in all except raw corruption
continued….. Yes Raw corruption is it inherited, blaming genetics wont solve the problem or have Africans accepted the status quo. The corrupt leaders, make people believe in them vote for them in offices then turn around loot the resources including the aid and bank in western countries; again turn around blame the west for economic problems. At the same time the same people wont put up any economic structures to benefit the citizens, no schools, no hospitals, no roads etc.. the things rampant in most African countries. In the meantime the looters are in western countries enjoying life – better schools, better health care systems etc and of course blaming the West. So this is the stage Africa especially Zambia finds itself in.
A fish will never believe what a frog says about the world
Keep arguing about nonsense you Zambians while me and Professor Chirwa enjoy the Eurobond.I am also waiting for a grant from another donor so that we put it to good ‘use’.
I agree with the contents in Dr Moyo’s book.What I’m not sure of is whether her choice of the title to her book reflects the contents of the book.The title is eye catching though!
It takes the brains 2 make the monies Mr Gates has. Its absolutely useless 2 attain a Phd and stay in a foreign land other than ur native country. We depend on aid bcoz people who r supposed 2 develop our continent and reduce donor aid dependency leave this beautiful continent and sit in those beautiful offices at the world bank and suggest ways and means of ending Africa’s poverty. Whether we lyk it or not we need that aid until when we will stay in our countries and develop them from within.
Dr Moyo please do not waste time arguing with people who have more money than brains. Gates made money because he was in the right place, and did the right thing at the right time. He invented nothing. He is not a genius.
He says he helps prevent people in the third world from dying , by sending vaccines. “WRONG” death is certain for everyone and not preventable. He probably thinks his money will prevent him from dying. “Third world” is not a tribe or country, it is a derogatory pseudonym for land and peoples disoriented and underdeveloped by Europe. People suffer at individual level .To send money to the 3rd world without targeting any specific recipients, is a publicity stunt or promotion of his pharmaceutical interests.
listen to yourself?????
Typical Zambian s l u t … she thinks she has bigger balls than Bill Gates? What a shame … u g l y b i t ch …
You guys are not fair my PHD is in animal husbandry not economics. learn to distinguish you morrons moreover this *@#$ is trying to gain mileage out of bill
stick to husbandry, there is no need to insult!!!!!!!!!
@mushota ,,RSA
Animal husbandry? are you tonga or what?,,HH has a job for you
Most Africans have just been to school but lack education! We criticise donors for subsidising us because we think it makes us lazy but we want our government to continue subsidising peasant farmers, maize transporters and university students for ever. Bill gates is practical while dambisa just writes a book(s). What is she doing in the diaspora instead of helping to uplift her country? She would even declined an appointment to serve her country probably because she does not want to leave her comfort zone.
How SELF – CONTRADICTORY!!!!! Been to school but not educated – sounds like you!!!
Imwe bafik.ala all of you listen : Typical Zambian mentality indeed: Bill Gates = College dropout = making billions of $$$$ = helping millions. Dambiso = PhD = writing one or two books = making peanuts = helping no one, doesn’t even live in her home country. She hides in the shadow of diaspora …li fontini … Go this out imwe …
we chi**hala you are just ignorant thats why the whites says that if “want to hide something from blacks write in the book” read Dambisa books before you open your mouth.
Dambisa Put your money were your mouth is, mwapelako naiwe! what have you done back home after making it big. it pains to give and someone tries to belittle your efforts
She’s a hot babe kanshi. Just become a model or marry some lucky guy
Seems lots are misinformed here!! Bill’s point is that his endpoint lays with the halving or reduction in mortality & morbidity!! He may appear to rubbish Dambisa, & she has over-reacted!! Obviously her contention is that the Aid hasn’t seemed to help – reason obviously CORRUPTION , Aid ending up benefitting the wrong crowd!! Bill’s contention is that the little that filters through,makes a DIFFERENCE!! Which most likely true – thus refuting Dambisa’s assertion the aid is “dead aid” becoz the little that may filter through still makes a difference – WE HOWEVER HOWEVER NEED TO DEAL WITH the rampant corruption!!!!!!
Two views of international aid co-exist. The first view is that international aid works. Hence, the Bill makes huge donations to needy African countries, including Zambia. The second view is critical of international aid. International aid is considered with suspicion because of real or imagined conditionalities. So, where is the truth? If a country is in need of humanitarian assistance, then the international community is right to airlift food, medicine, fuel and motorized transportation. When a corrupt regime needs military assistance in order to cling on to power, then it is wrong for tax payers in advanced countries to pay for that. What next? The poor have limited choices. However, some margin of manoever is quite feasible. It is necessary to stick to basics. What works, works.
@makasa kasonde
Are you a Dr? really? its difficult to believe you,,,humanitarain assistance and what you are calling international aid( whatever that means to you) are two different things
First of all did Dambisa Moyo get her PHD from an accredited institution?? Secondly,how wide was her research on AID in Africa?? I suspect some plagiarism here and it looks like her data was not collected properly hence the wrong analysis she has had about AID in Africa,i challenge her to come back and do a proper research,to me she is just one of those commedians talking about topics which they cant even understand!!
You are the one who sounds like a comedian.
Dambisa, YOU CAN’T be so sensitive & claim to be open to criticism or discussion as you put it!!! Bill’s appearance on Australian TV was not a Worldwide broadcast! I didn’t even think it would be headline news – thus your reaction seems to have hit you in a sensitive spot!!
I think most of the comments supporting Gates miss the point and you clearly have not read Dambisa’s books. She is not talking about emergency/relief aid but the so-called “development” aid that has fuelled corruption, wars and terrible suffering across our beautiful continent. This is well documented – read Micela Wrong’s book “And Now it is our Time to Eat” about Kenya. Dambisa is one of an increasing number of African patriots who are calling time on this industry that has fostered dependency and kleptocratic regimes for decades. Read Dambisa’s books before supporting this uncalled for ad hominem attack by Gates – when someone plays the man (in this case the woman) instead of the ball, it is a sure sign they are loosing the argument.
Spot on! A lot of people are missing the whole point.
It’s evident from most comments above that they have never read Dead Aid…this is the problem with us Zambians and being informed…. instead of building silly stadia we should be investing in libraries to enlightened the masses.
Do you remember how Miles Sampa criticised her when she was in the country after her presentation? This is a minister who is so daft that he couldn’t even explain to the nation what a subsidy was on live TV.
madam, you may have been right that aid does not work. but it’s the way you phrased you opinion that could have hate the giving hand (Gates). Imagine you are helping your poor relatives yourself only for them to tell you that ‘the help you’ve been giving us is dead’ simply because they did not come out of poverty. How would you personally feel?
Does any of us help our poor relatives? I am sure we do. Do they come out of poverty? No need to answer.
Remember Gates help is free (not a loan).Tame your tongue.
Its free…that’s what you think? Very simplistic view of the world.
She looks hot
Just watched the video. Bill Gates was very factual in his analysis..
Bill Gates is a Harvard University drop out and he subsequently obtained an honorary degree for the recognition of his entrepreneurial skills in building his microsoft empire. This does not make Bill a smart critical analyst especially in terms of generating evidence-based research in strategising sustainable livelihoods for Africans or for any site on the globe. Miss Moyo is utilising evidence-based research as a life-line of argument in support of her claims. She argues knowingly that she is both a subject in a research located in deep descriptive interpretive qualitative perspective and also as a researcher who is embedded in his/her research project. Money and meritocracy are not used interchangeably in counter arguments. The former reflects mediocrity in Moyo’s assertions.
dambisa moyo. we appreciate the effort you make on issues but may be you need alittle to be considerate on how these facts can be presented. the next thing is how you are more interested in being critical to those that help and you dont make any effort yourself to take the poor a morsel of bread. just a slice of what you are raising from the sale of your sided findings. allow pipo to critic you before you make your opinion public. instead of helping you may become an obstacle to the beneficiarers of the same pipo you critic.
start with few that you can influence with your hard work and then make comparisons with Bill gates wether you are better or they be better than you
We may be located in a so-called dark continent characterised with what the west potrays as an inherently corrupt and impoverished ‘spot’ on earth, but we have always rejected such typical westernised mediocre analyses. The west has traditionally socially constructed Africans/Africa as misrepresented beings who accepted their fate without questioning the prescribed western lies about Africa/Africans. Miss Moyo must be appreciated for the colourless flag of Africa she carries around insteady of castigating her. God bless Africa. Zambians and all Tongas use your education to emancipate yourselves. Sound diversified/intensified approaches in agriculture and other sustainable livelihoods can restore dignity among all Africans not hand outs from the Bill Gates of this world.
Dambisa is more intelligent than most people (rich & poor). The only way someone cannot attack her work is to attack her character. Otherwise she makes so much sense: How can a soccer team be so good if it always loses? Aid has always lost. Bill Gates has clearly not read the book because his Aid is not the same as Dambisa’s Dea Aid.
I wish I could be bold enough to have a single suggestion for all the problems on a continent. Dambisa Moyo”s book is shocking in its willingness to reduce some of the most complex problems in the world to a few a pages of poorly written prose and insulting generalizations.
We need more books on how to improve and reform development, but this is an unsubstantiated rant calling to cut off aid in five years. Everyone needs aid and should work together to improve the global well-being as a whole. The author’s suggestions aren’t just radical, they’re baseless and dangerous. The solution she proposes is that the free market will bail out Africa almost overnight. Right now, we can’t get the free market to work in the US let alone pull off a miracle in Africa.
Let me first read Dambisa’s book and then I can comment intelligently, rather than shoot in the dark. Epo mpelele….
Dambias,
If I were you, I would not have responded to Bill Gates’ unlearned comments. Sometimes that is the best way to approach these issues. You put your ideas into the public domain and thats it! Let others discuss them, dispute them, attack you…but avoid being too sensitive to criticism. Let others respond to Gates for you…
Throught history, it has been the conquered nations that have adopted and assimilated the civilastionof the conquering power. Africa was colonized and in the process exposef to westerrn civilisation. It is Africa and the Africans that have been slow in adopting the civilisation (popularly referd to as development) exposed to it by the west and now the east. the west does not ask Africans with a bit of money to invest in bars and tarverns and semi skilled farming instead of industries or proper commercial farming which would take the country foward. It is Africa’s failure to create wealth which would in turn reduce poverty and sustain lives that prompts the west and the east to come on board to help sustain life while Africa is organising itself.
It is so unfortunate that people find this a perfect chance to start making unnecessary personal attacks on others, i personally feel most of the Aid is dead and that Mr Gates had no right to start discrediting Dr Moyo’s work but nevertheless i feel the B&M foundation has done significant work in African and that should not go unacknowledged and Bill try not to get emotional next time its only a discussion … we all know not too many people are trying to make a change but at-least you are trying.
Depends on what type of Aid you are looking at, Bill Gates feels hurt in the sense that the young lady did not distinguish the giving aid to African Countries and moreover the a Government in charge of Aid will be a corrupt one, but thank you Mr. gates for your generosity………..all the best
No disrespect to Mr Bill Gates and his work, but I fully understand what Dr Dambisa Moyo is pointing out, when Are we gonna stand on our on two feet and learn to sweat for things not just hand outs. It’s like when you have kids, when they are growing up, as parents it’s our responsibility to provide and educate them so they can learn to find for them selves in later life, but when is later life gonna come for Zambia or Africa to start fending for them selves?? This is our lives our country and our continent, when are we gonna start making our own developments and improvements using our own sweat and maybe start helping the western world for a change…???
This Moyo girl is a pure copy-cut! Playing western while she will always be black… I find it troubling that you would write about the failures of aid to Africa when she was one of those drafting aid policies for Africa ( consultancy for the Washington consensus institutions). I adore the fact that she is Zambian, but troubled that she would claim now to be playing good girl for the African well-being!
Can we please my fellow Africans get these people like Mr. Gates to stop talking about Africa as if It was a country…. It is a continent, and troubles in Malawi,Tanzania or Zambia can not be generalized to the rest of the continent. Financial crisis in Greece, Spain and Ireland are often mentioned (by the western international community) in relation to those countries and not Europe.
If this is to be true the century for Africa then our step 1 is to change the monopoly of knowledge claims by the west, or we will forever with the help of western aid organisations be seen as the other….
”To this, I add my experience working as a consultant at the World Bank, and being born and raised in Zambia, one of the poorest aid-recipients in the world. This first-hand knowledge and experience has highlighted for me the legacy of failures of aid, and provided me with a unique understanding of not only the failures of the aid system but also of the tools for what could bring African economic success.”
Being born in Zambia has given Moyo a unique understanding of poverty??? Was she born in poverty? Moyo has never experienced poverty, she has never gone hungry for a single day, as a matter of fact she has been so privileged to receive foreign education in the USA and UK. Poor kids are dying of preventable diseases malaria, measles, whooping cough, what can MOYO do about it?
actually I watched Bill’s first meeting with the Australian business community and one of the journalist challenged him with the question as to why Australian govnt should be attending to addressing issues of economic importance abroad when there were a lot of social and economic issues negatively affecting Indigenous people in its own backyard.. Ka Bill failed to answer that question and all he was interested in was to ensure that Australian govnt budgeted for international aid. I also watched the Q&A session and hearing those negative remarks about our very own Dambisa’s works were very shocking indeed.. its common knowledge that Dambisa is against dead aid and not good aid. aka ka Bill kalikutisha money and hence no respect for young intellectuals like Dambisa.. keep it up Dambisa..
You know guys, dont blame Bill Gates, he is a school dropout while Dr Moyo is an intellectual. Am sure you understand the difference.
Dambisa im with you 100 percent here, this guy is downright vulgar to call your book promotion of evil. I doubt he has even read it as he claims . Serious nations like Russia, china or japan have always understood that to have anything lasting and meaningful they have to work incredibly hard on their own and be self reliant, no country has ever developed on aid. In Zambia its got so bad that many rural hospitals are run totally on foreign aid, if they pull out its total collapse. I know your tired of saying it but ill say it for you once again : Aid has made African govts neglect their responsibility to their own people. And supporting and perpetuating that is the REAL evil , and gates is doing it.
AID – Assitance In Death —– as long as one receives AID they will never know how to make things work for themselves.
aid must be aid unlike the untrue meaning you are giving it. you are in some ways received aid to get were you are and dont distort facts some one else neeeds it the same way you needed it
Bill Gates has been on the ground assisting esp Africa in eradicating malaria etc. I give Bill some credit. He may have been harsh on the poor gal.. but Moyo is single NGO and tries to manage her small egos like she know africa coz she is black. Africa still need aid as a quik fix not for sustanable devlpmt..we all get it.
PanAfrica you are a shame to Africa and African culture.you seem to be molded by western culture, you must an id**t that’s why you are writing short cuts English.You learn to understand issues before you say anything.what language do you understand so that i translate for you what she meant by Dead Aid??
well its what you think I presume you have malaria and in need of fancida she is not objecting you to collect such Aid because that’s Humanitarian aid same applies to emergency Aid after catastrophe but budgetary Aid which we Africans always asks for a short term benefits with a lot of conditions and like we should allow lesbianism and gay rights.
Kaingu,Phd of MMD: any comment on all this?