SECURITY wings in Western Province have detained 45 people and launched a manhunt for two others in connection with propagating the secession of the area from the rest of Zambia.
The 45 aged between 23 and 37 were currently in police custody for participating in the act pending court appearance today.
Defence Minister Geoffrey Mwamba and his Home Affairs counterpart Edgar Lungu confirmed the development to journalists in Mongu on Saturday after leading members of the defence forces in conducting routine security checks in some parts of the province.
Mr Mwamba and Mr Lungu identified the duo currently on the run as Mumbutwa, who declared himself as Administrator-General for Barotseland, and Masiye, a teacher at Sioma High School.
The 45 were nabbed between August 14 and 17, 2013 comprising 27 from Kalabo, nine in Senanga and another nine in Mongu.
The arrested youths were said to have been promised employment as police officers and soldiers in the new State of Barotseland.
It was currently not known who was financing the secession activities, but Mr Mwamba believed it was some “hardcore characters” who might not even be Western Province residents.
“We have found that there is a gentleman, in fact an activist, by the name of Mumbutwa and he has declared himself as Administrator-General of the Barotseland and on the 15th of August, 2013 he actually even wanted to hoist his flag.
“It’s a very serious offence hoisting a flag within a Government. You see, you can’t declare a government within a government. That is treasonable and in any case if he is found, because I believe he is on the run, we have to make sure that the law deals with him severely because he can’t declare a State within a State,” Mr Mwamba said.
He said Mumbutwa’s plans to hoist a Barotseland flag were thwarted by alert security wings and that Mr Masiye’s house belonging to the Ministry of Education was believed to have been used as a meeting place for such clandestine activities.
Mr Mwamba and his entourage visited the house in question, which had since been deserted, situated at Sioma High School premises and held a closed door meeting at the premises.
“I would like to appeal to our youths here in Western Province that they should not be swayed by such kind of characters. They are being cheated that once they also become a State they will employ them as police officers and soldiers,” he said.
Mr Mwamba said such activities were unacceptable and urged the people in the province to desist from treasonable vices, warning that those that defied his advice risked going to prison if the law caught up with them.
And Mr Lungu said the 45 were likely to appear in court today, but that Government wanted to seek the indulgence from the Director of Public Prosecutions Mutembo Nchito as there were various offences related to the crime.
Mr Lungu said some of the people currently in detention were apprehended after being found with placards celebrating the declaration of Barotseland as a State.
“So there are various offences which have arisen out of the misconducts, but we are seeking the indulgence of the DPP. For now, a good number of those found with cases will appear in court on Monday (today). The two on the run should just surrender themselves,” he said.
Mr Lungu reiterated that the offences differed from one individual to another, but that he could not say how many would appear for certain offences, saying that would partly be left to the DPP to decide.
He said despite the arrest of the 45 Barotseland secession activists, Western Province was generally peaceful as there was no breakdown in law and order.
“I only wish to assure members of the public that the Western Province in the Republic of Zambia remains a singular part of a Unitary State called Zambia and we will not allow anything other than that.
“So anyone who is trying to dismantle Zambia into segments by whatever description is in for a rude shock because we will not sit back and watch. We will enforce the law and make sure that justice is done,” Mr Lungu said.
Meanwhile, the Ministers together with Western Province Permanent Secretary Emmanuel Mwamba, among others, paid a courtesy call on the Litunga in Lealui.
Mr Mwamba later told journalists that among the issues discussed at the palace were the reopening of a police station in Lealui which was closed in the MMD Government.
The Ministers and their entourage also visited Kalabo where they held a closed door security meeting at Kalabo District Council offices.
Good ! One Zambia one nation and not one Zambia two nations must be the way to go.Jail em en make sure those that are on the run are arrested.Maybe you should use those guys who managed to capture the Mailoni brothers to find them.
We reject Bemba slavery. We reject Sata’s Dictatorship. We the people Reject the wasting of money on presidential retirement homes while our people wallow in poverty. We rejecting building homes for former president’s wives while our people eat drink and think poverty. We reject the corruption and selfishness of Mmembe, Judge Chikopo, Nchinto and Kabimba while our people suffer poverty. We reject your country and demand self rule and self determination.
The Bemba clans think they can replicate the double fisted grip the kikuyu ethnic group have on Kenya.
@saulosi
Get a life and start thinking properly!!
First and foremost tribalism must be done away with in zambia if you want to keep Zambia in one piece. No tribe should be `bigger` than the other!!!
This baroste issue has be mishandled especially by Sata himself. firstlySata went to baroste in person promised them and committed to `giving` those people back their land,,, secondly he(Sata) sent Roger Chongwe`s commission of injury to go hear what the people on the ground in baroste are saying,, upto date Sata is refusing to make those findings public!!
So give the land back,, i cant wait to join them,, the struggle is on we are getting back our land!!!!!
@ndobo you are the one who needs some sense to be pumped into your skull.The linyungandambo was not formed under Sata and again the declaration of independence of barotseland was done under RB ‘s watch. So blaming everything on sata is a misrepresentation of facts and events.Sata was talking about taking power to the provinces as well as taking development to western province which has been lacking in that line.
@saulosi
read this again… am not putting all the blame on your Sata
“This baroste issue has be mishandled especially by Sata himself. firstlySata went to baroste in person promised them and committed to `giving` those people back their land,,, secondly he(Sata) sent Roger Chongwe`s commission of injury (raising the people`s hopes) to go and hear what the people on the ground in baroste are saying,, upto date Sata is refusing to make those findings public!!“
@ndobo if anything the man who knows the Barotse isssue better is Kaunda.Sata was just a politician and with politicians it is not what they say that you get,it is what they do at the end of the day.RB was right too in a way he handled it but he messed up by killing people.Western province will forver remain a part of Zambia.It is just some disgruntled politicians who wants to take advantage of the situation.Remember how Akashambatwa was also vocal on the issue at one point when his political fortunes dwindled ,but later became quite the moment he was offered a politcal position.The same happened to Sinyinda(hope i got his name right).
@saulosi
i get you!! but do you know why KK has not voiced out a word about the baroste issue since it started? Even Mr wina who was there at leciester house when they signing for independence has remaind silent,, do you know why?
If you answer those questions correctly you see that it was stu.pid for Sata to go to baroste and make promises and commitments… this issue wont go away and it call for wise leadership. not bukaponya
And those RB gun shooting costed MMD votes in western province and the same with happen to PF in 2016, PF will never win a western province!!!!
@ndobo…am glad that my professor has called in sick today.Looks like i have all the time on my finger tips today, so we can debate all day.Yes i agree with you no wonder even the Litunga himself is quite on the issue.All the signatories have elected to keep quite and that should tell you something and reason enough for simple primary school teachers like Masiye not to take matters into their own hands.Another thing our dear Lozi brothers and sisters are failing to see is that the lozi clan is consists of about of 32 tribes so there here is no tribe called lozi basically.So before they do anyhting let them try to ask other tribes like the Nkoya for example.
@saulosi
stick to your points ,,,
look sometimes thats why do take my hat for KK,,, the man did bring unity to zambia,, he transferred of all tribes around zambia..
Those people KK and others who were there are quite because zambia was founded on peace and unity and NO tribalism,,right!! and the all tribes were to have an equal share to the economy of zambia…
However Multi party democracy and MMD( with Sata at the center) came with tribalism and divisions,, people were made to realise that they had vote of their on tribesmen.. so you cant blame lozis for wanting out,,, thats also why you see that voting pattern in southern province.
This issues needs Sata to man up ,face reality admit he was wrong to make promises and take wise steps not bullying people!1
@ndobo it actually surprises me why and how you people see tribalism in bembas.I see comments everyday including you that tend to stereotype bembas as thieves and tribal but the reality is that in all tribes and races they are always some bad eggs.I don`t actually blame the southerners and other people who vote on tribal line because it is only human for people to favour something they can identify themselves with.You and I live in Europe and am sure you have seen what happens when a ground of Caucasians,Asians and Africans(negros) meet together.You will observe that at the end of the day the black people will isolate themselves,so are the indians and the muzungus.Stop blaming bembas after all no bemba president has ever ruled Zambia.Sata is Bisa,Chiluba was Lunda and kaunda is from Malawi
Bricklayer litole sana
@saulosi
again!! i mentioned nowhere in my comment that bemba are tribalist… i said for zambia to be peacefully in unity, we must do away with tribalism from all tribes, otherwise if you want to group around with our own then we can as well break zambia up according to our tribal lines…
Sata is not inclusive the way KK was with appointments.. a good example is zambian embassy here in sweden all staff from zambia are bembas…when zambia has 72 tribes very strange!!
In short what am saying is that if you zambia has be kept in one piece then the cake has be seen to shared equally to all tribes,, i have nothing against bembas, i personally love bembas.. i have bemba friends,, eg nostradamus, cindy,, and am lozi with a kaonde mother!!!
I don`t like bemba`s iwe mwana.I have actually warned over the same on atleast two occassions.Maybe things have changed at that embassy.Last time i checked we had some tonga guys like that Kenneth and that woman whose name i have forgotten.I think that where you get it wrong again.The problem you people have is trying to count the government officials and later start doing your tribal profilling.people should be appointed on merit and not on tribe so if i appoint you in my government i won`t expect you to be lazy and then keep you just because you are half Lozi and half Kaonde Ndobo.It is comepetency that counts.
@ndobo i personally believe that people should be appointed on merit and not tribe.So if you can`t perform don`t expect me to keep you in my government just because you are half Lozi and half kaonde.Well last time i checked at the swedish embassy we had Tongas starting from that Kenneth guy and that woman whose name i have forgotten.The iron with life is that when you are looking forward to see something you will definately see it.No wonder all you see is tribalism in Sata government.It is what you want to see.Stop tribal profilling for once.
@Saulosi indeed Barotse or Malozi are a collection of ethnic groups. Thank you for admitting this. But how do you reconcile this nonsense you continue insisting upon that ‘other tribes’ don’t want this. It is only the ‘Lozis’ who want secession? Do you see how your whole thesis is flawed?
@saulosi
am not tribal profiling anyone! the bottom line here is that Sata has to raise above the ordinary reasoning and be inclusive for the good of all,, thats one thing mwanawasa and mazoka did well. And you know what.. i agree with that bemba cheif who told PF leadership he had vaid points, the critical point here is that Sata and PF have to demonstrate hope and love for all zambians (not bullying) and you wont see this tribal claims and people wanting to seperate..
Hey am going out, great having an exchange with you!!
I cant wait for that time in the near future to come when i will be commenting on the mongu times ( not lusaka times) reading the baroste watchdog wow it wil be paradise,,,hahahah,, it will be great to receives guys as tourist in the baroste kingdom, NO stealing…
@sepiso the whole thing has become a joke because the areas which actually fell under the former Barotse includes areas in southern provice and copperbelt so you cant tell me that`the Nkoyas in western andSouthern provices have bought into this and that should include the Nyengos, toka-leyas and the lambas.Stop day dreaming and fight for a united Zambia.
@ndobo the problem is you are basing your arguments and assesments on what you read in the online papers and tabloids.Go there on the ground and see what is happening.Reading ZWD won`t give you the right picture.Encourage your friend Ruwe to do the same too.Leave your confortable Sverige and go to shangombo,imwisho or nabwalya chiyombo.I doubt if that kingdom will come any time soon.Ok man am kind of relieved that you are going i also need to eat something.Greet all the zed guys that end.Cheers ba guy just walk well lest you are hit by a train or something.Lol
@Bricklayer where kanshi do you get this Bemba slave master from? Sata is Bisa, a distinct tribe away from Bemba, immediate past president was a Chipatan, Levy, Lamba, Kafupi, kaLuunda, wa muyayaya KK, Malawi. Because these leaders spoke fluent Bemba doesn’t necessarily mean they are Bemba. Stop tormenting yourself. Bembas are extremely decent and very sweet people who have no problem co-existing with just about anybody on these planet. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Get up and be counted.
reading Saulosi vs Ndobo
Its like Kabimba vs GBM over succession of Sata.
50 YEARS AFTER INDEPENDENCE AND 4 PRESIDENTS,
A MINISTER AND HIS ENTOURAGE ARE WALKING ON
SAND AS THEY APPROACH SOME IMPORTANT
PALACE…SHAME
DECENTRALIZATION IS THE ANSWER.
Arrest them please and “post” them to far away prisons such as mbala. Don’t forget to scatter them!!
This is stu.pid!!! how do you arrest people for celebrating? Overall Sata promised and commited himself to `giving` them back baroste land!!!!
@Ze bigge, This is your time, enjoy it while it lasts. How dare you say the lozis be arrested and scattered.
Life imprisonment 4 thoz idiots,what’s wrong with them?
Sata once again sends his Bemba colleagues to go and deal with Malozi. Why can’t our people be allowed to seperate themselves from failure. Why must we be forced to continue under the opression of Bembe misrule where the country does not know the whereabouts of its president…. Where a president can start building mansions for hisself and the wives of former presidents while claiming to be pro-poor and refusing to drink bottled water. This nonsense in Zambia knows no end… Sha Masipa!!!
Zambia is a unitary state,any body planning to succede will meet the prescription of the law. Be mind ful that what ever those guys are doing is treasonable.No one would want to seperate zambia.
shut up you ignorant lozi , you will always be ruled by the majority.
Bricklayer your thinking is wrapped!!The separation of Barotseland from Zambia is a nonstarter.It will never happen!!You guys are dreamers!!First you should think about all the Lozis who are in other areas of Zambia who are married to non Lozi people,do you think they will agree to abandon Zambia and agree to move to Barotseland?Have you done a survey to determine how many lozis are willing to abandon their confort zones in Lusaka and other areas to go and start a new uncertain life in Barotseland?Apart from sand,fish and rice on what resource is Barotseland going to survive economically?Have the other tribes like Nkoyas agreed to be part of Barotseland country?Stop hallucinating!!
@waht a life
Answer your questions
1. There are alot of lozis very much willing to return to barosteland.. there registration going right now, people are surrendering the zambian NRCs,,, numbers are amazing!!.. if want the details let me know
2. those that are mixed like me can choose zambia or baroste.
3.Nkoya are now backing the baroste agreement in full especial after being conned by Sata
Breaklayer you are dull and if anything you are the one on the Run you coward.. Zambia is only one we do not want to see rwanda,burundi or congo behaviours here. Who ever sent yo tll them Zambia we love peace and Lozi’s love peace.. Cowards like you will be haunted for letting youths misbehave why can’t you do it alone….Grave digger
Ah, another Bemba-hater. A putrified carcass known as Bricklayer insults me, instead of just Sata or whichever Bemba replaces him from his mother’s nakedness every morning.
Sort your tribalistic sh!t out. You are poison to the country.
Id-iot.
The blinkeredness of those calling for separation is amazing and perhaps goes to show just how greedy mankind is and how we turn a blind eye to good “reasoning” when situations don’t suit us. Personally I have no qualms with people asking for self rule but the basis have to be credible. Scotland wants self rule and some elements are campaigning for that ACROSS Scotland. It is not a part of Scotland that they want to break off and call it Scotland as is the case in this Barotseland issue. Barotseland stretches into Namibia, Angola and Zimbabwe and includes CB. So campaigning for a breakaway state in Western Province alone is simply treason as that province is not Barotseland. As others have said, get the support from everyone concerned and then bring your argument forward.
so ZWD were right in their reporting last week. so what happened to sata’s commision of inquiry? what is the difference between what happened under rb and under sata?
Primitive thinking is a big diz
When you have too much power ,influence and top jobs concentrated into one group or area of the country you naturally open a can of worms from those cut out. I guess zed never learned from Kenya and its kikuyu ethnic group’s economic and political hegemony over the other 40 tribes of Kenya.
Grant the lozis their wish, we are tired of this story let them govern themselves. some people think the bemba will suffer most if the lozis break away from zambia you are mistaken friends.
Elyo lwanya.
It is Linyungandambo again! These are Sata’s friends. He promised them the restoration of the Barotse Agreement if voted into power. Sikota Wina, Mabenga, Musokotwane, Milupi advised Sata not to promise stuff he couldn’t deliver. But he didn’t listen. His vuvuzela at the POST one Fred Mmembe stood by Sata and his BA1964 promises. Linyungandambo were coopted into the PF 2011 campaign in Mongu. The majority of the people were not concerned with the BA1964 issue as PF only won two seats in WP. largely due to the strength of its two candidates in these constituencies: Mubukwanu in Mongu Central and Wina in nalolo. But as far as Linyungandambo were concerned they had delivered for their friend Sata. Once in power he stood with the Linyungandambo leaders on the staircase of State House.
Yes, but I heard the President at one time recently bragging. Barotse Agreement!!!! Barotse Agreement!!!!!! The people of Western Province are not going to eat Barotse Agreement Hahahaha!!!!!.
Sad indeed. The fake election campaign promises or gimmicks have ruined the whole barotse saga.
The guy who declared himself the ruler. So where is he?? The soldiers that gunned down the Mailoni must be used to rack him down together with the ones who were swearing him in.
But the Mailon brothers were killers, hunting down innocent people to kill. Whilst Mombotwa and group have indeed broken the law, we do not have to put a bount on their heads, really. This is a political issue which should be dealt with legally and politically. We are in the 21st century, please.
Lozis are like pigs, no matter how you clean them they will still go to dirt. same as aba Lozi nangu mubapele shani ifisuma those idio.ts are traitors
you are a disturbed soul you need deliverance!! if lozi are pigs why are you crying for them not seperate from Zambia!! let them seperate since you guys are super humans!!
And the id.iots at LT are allowing bigoted comments like this from this mentally disturbed idio.t! Go back to your mental ward you lunatic!
you may say this again, however it applies to your tribe only.
What we have here is a rabid dog genetically programmed to bark at Lozis! Bigotry is ingrained in his DNA!
Mmembe, you are more dangerous to peace than those who declare themselves independent. Who are you to insult all Lozis? What have you given Lozis and why did you give it to them? I am sure the govt will deal with this matter in a more mature manner than you could ever come up with.
mmembe,
You have described lozis as pigs, what tribe are you? If you are a normal human being your insult will sooner rather than later haunt you for the rest of your life.
Have civility and level headednes in the way you debate on this blog. Dont annoy many!!!!
chi mmembe, stop thinking with your backside! Foolish idiot!
Mmembe usikuba. ukona kubulela cwani kuli lozis are lyk pigs. If we are pigs why do want us lozis to be wth u bembas primitive creatures in the same country? lozis they don’t live wth bembas the tribe which is infamous for associating wth theft.
All these arrested are PF members. These are the people who were promised the restoration of the Barotse Agreement during the 2011 campaign. The majority of the people in Western Province voted for MMD and UPND in the 2011 elections. People like Sikota Wina, Mabenga and Milupi advised the President not to promise stuff he couldn’t deliver! He never listened and went ahead to coopt the Linyungandambo in the Western Province PF campaign. Now the chickens are coming home to roost!
The consequences of cheating costs a lot. Even if they are arrested, the pinch lies in BUFI. The president promised these guys during campaign time that I shall give you what you want and release the 27 prisoners who the MMD got showing them that the MMD had no respect for Westerners and today out he has arrested more than 46.
Nowadays, I hardly hear again “Don’t Kubeba, walalilalila”, Those who went with the song along were cheated and toady it has costed and frustrated them. I believe you will hardly hear it even in minibuses or else the minibus drivers will be beaten up.
UBUFI NABO BULAYANOKUBWELA, WHAT IS THAT PROMISE YOU MADE TO THE NATION?
Only the children of the enemy the devil can advocate for violence in our lovely country. No one complains of the English language in our country.We even have English names.its influence mwebantu.Bemba language is spreading like fire due to economic reasons.Most people from Copperbelt have migrated to North Western Province and other parts of the country and majority speak Bemba.Here in the UK most Zambians speak Bemba.Language should not separate us.
‘Here in the UK most Zambians speak Bemba’. You have not met ‘most’ Zambians in the UK. These must be people you mix with. Stop generalizing. You are probably the same people who complain when you hear people speaking Lozi or Tonga . “Aba nabo balitemwa” is your usual retort!
@cage the crooks
ati `Here in the UK most Zambians speak Bemba`. wrong! my friend say that the part of UK you are staying and most of zambians you have met speak bemba,, so you cant most Zambians in UK speak bemba!!!
In the part of sweden i live we generally speak chinyanja but we are all mixed bembas, tongas, luvales, lozis, some kaondes.. the issues here is to do away with tribalism,, NO one tribe is bigger than the rest!!!!! we should all be equal !!!
It is not about language. It is about tribalism and regionalism. The Bembas are horrible tribalists and promote regional politics. That is why they are uncomfortable with anyone apart from their tribesmate. You cant force people to belong to a country they dont like. No matter how long it takes, one day Barotseland will be reborn like Ukraine, Eritrea and many others. for you in the so called UK have you Wondered why you have Wales, Scotland, Ireland and England? and depending on which Countries you group you are either in UK or Great Britain? get a life my friend. Only time will tell on this issue. it may not be soon but definitely time of reckoning will come just as day and nite come and go!
Where in the UK do all Zambians speak Bemba?
You are a typical case of a foreigner in the UK who has failed to integrate and only comfortable among your own tribe mates and practically a low class migrant!
@Cage the crooks,
You are betraying your reasoning ability by telling such blatant lies. I have lived in the UK for years and can tell you that yours is wishful thinking. You may be right if you are talking about gatherings where a bemba invites fellow bembas to a bemba party. Why do you bembas overate yourselves so much?
Everyone having a go or indeed disagreeing with “Cage the crooks”
Maybe share with us what Zambian language is mostly used and where? To be fair to “Cage the crooks” he said “most Zambians” and in as far as my experience in the UK is concerned, he is right. I do not recall anywhere I have been and met a Zambian or Zambians where Bemba has not been used in a “sense” of compatriots. I have heard ichinyanja here and there but nothing compared to Bemba. Any arguing this is quite frankly misplaced and conveniently denying the truth.
The only thing Lozis will achieve are jail sentences and disturbances, learn to love one other by being part and pacel of this our lovely countly called Zambia. Speak thru a vote not a weapon, war is easier began than ended.
The correct and proper thing to say is ” the only thing these ‘ Lozi secessionists’ will achieve are jail sentences…..”. Instead what you’ve written largely conveys the message that you have issues with Lozis whether or not they are secessionists! This is bigotry!
jailing people wont stop them from claiming their land,,, Sata must handle this properly with a level head,, this can blow up into a bigger thing in future when Sata himself is dead!!
Sata must man up and go back to the lozis and apologise for his lies and offer a new solution
Ndobo, i actually dont agree with you, asking the government to give someone the land which doesnt belong to them, Zambia does not belong to any of us, infact this entire earth doesnt, you, me and the person next to you dont own any part of it, we all found ourselves where we were born unknowingly, we all come from somewhere, infact those calling for such divisions might not even be “Zambians” they may come from Nigeria, Asia, or even south America, did any of our fore fathers buy any? Lets live like civilised people, the fact that the greedy Britons wanted our resources and signed a paper of some kind to impress someone and said this is yours is so out of place.
Ndobo, i know 100% you are not a tribalist and i agree with most of your comments only you feeling bad that these people are in Jail, i assume you have visited their website, do you agree with all that? If all the kingdoms get up one day and say we are Bembas we want to get our own kingdom, the Ngonis do the same, the Tongas and so on and so forth, what would then come of us? i think this is primitive, someone out there is lying to someone again, they have been promised something, this time not sugar or mirrors, but Gold! Tell me what you foresee from this situation, i for one see war cos i doubt any upright government would accept this, so is what is happenning in Egypt good for our peacefull country? what will happen to us with Lozi friends and relatives?
@cindy
i hear you but read my comment or comments,,, all this debate could have been avoided… the president promise these people and raised their hopes,,, he should not have done that, he should have told them the truth not taking advantage of them and telling them lies
Lozis open your eyes. How can you allow Bembas to enter your territory at will and intimidate you.I mean all the Mwambas,(Emmanuel andGBM)are in your country and freely insulting.Come on rise and show us your pride It’s time you taught these Bembas a lesson.
Coming from someone so far away from the country, That is very rich! Willing to spill blood for your cause; as long as it is somebody else’s blood : the philosophy of a coward.
As far as I know 2 senior members of PF went to the Western Province because they are part of Sata’s posse which are Bemba, like him.
When in goddamned hell did you see me, a Bemba, in western province? You are ruining your own support by alienating impartial Bembas like me. All I’ll do is throw Sh!t at you.
Isolate the tribalists and don’t buy into it – capish? Or do you need me to address this explicitly to you?
Manyukunyuku fela! Cage ’em!
GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN THE RIGHT APPROACH. ZAMBIA IS A UNITARY STATE PERIOD.
ONCE OUR GENERATION IS GONE, OUR CHILDREN WILL HAVE ONE COUNTRY.
GBM CONTINUE THE GOOD WORK AND GET RID OF THESE SECESSIONISTS!
Just release them otherwise this case may be the starting point for Barotseland’s freedom. We all heard our president promising independence for Barotseland and in 6 June 2011 Post issue he extended that freedom to any other province that wanted.
My advice to Lozis: Turn the court room into a political rally and attract the attention of the international community. Remember, you were encouraged by PF to riot resulting into the death of a couple of rioters. Now the govt of Zambia must fulfill their promise to the Lozis peacefully.
Put a maximum setence on them. Make it 20 years . These guys are becoming so stu.pi.d. Always behaving stu.pi.dly . People are tired of their insipid behaviour. Jail them so they learn a very good lesson.
Peace and Prosperity to Mother Zambia.
If I were president I would have given them one month to become independent. I can assure you Barotseland can’t break away. Maybe other provinces.
Give all provinces autonomy to run own affairs. About time we decentralised power from state house. All provinces should have the capacity to govern themselves. Why should revenue from NW province be diverted to develop the Copperbelt? would understand if this was surplus to requirements however if you look at the state of NW province, then surely one would expect development to start there. Western province can not separate from the rest simply because we are too interconnected. Only way to resolve this is to allow all provinces to govern themselves with lusaka overseeing all.
@Fr33dom,
You got it right. Turn the thing into federal states to allow peaceful tribes break away from one tribe that thinks it is more superior than the rest.
We need a One Zambia. The Lozis though have a legitimate claim to their Barotse Land. The BA64 was abrogated and it will be difficult to jail these fellows in the courts of Law because they will claim they are not Zambians.
The truth is that our frends from western province don’t want to tell themselves is that most of zambia has indeed stayed away from barotseland as the lozis wished.Tell me the truth my pipo from western province how many pipo who don’t have a lozi last name but have resources can easily go and invest in western province?How many international developers have u chased?you r constantly talking about how the bembas are trying to control but have had only two bemba presidents in our history and am pretty sure our next one will be tonga.You the same pipo who talk about tribe but here u r in the 21st century trying to create a country based on a particular tribe.Yes the government dint do much to develop western province but your policies contributed,I truly pray that they give u what you…
We don’t how many ‘international developers’ were chased. Care to tell us who and when these ‘international developers’ were chased? Development can only occur in a region were there’s infrastructure like roads. Unfortunately successive governments from Kaunda’s time promised these roads but they never built them. Today there’s a lot of cattle diseases in Western Province because the Veterinary services are not doing any vaccinations. Reason? The road network is poor and the it is difficult for vehicles to move in the sand. Please don’t spread old and tired myths about investors been chased. That is just your own BS!
Bwana you have never had a Bemba president. Kaunda is Tonga from Malawi, Chiluba is Lunda from Luapula, Banda is Chewa/Ngoni from Chipata and Sata is Bisa from Mpika. So which two Bemba Presidents did Zambia ever have?
This country has never had a Bemba president. KK was Malawian, FTJ Lunda-Kazembe, Mwanawasa Lamba-Lenje, RB Ngoni and Sata Bisa. Tell us which among the above are Bembas? Not everyone who speaks Bemba is Bemba. PF govt does not respect Bemba chiefs.
The Lozis are not fighting for the presidency but for independence as promised by Sata in the run up to 20 Sep 2011 elections. Be men of integrity by honoring your promises. Ninety days from 23 Sep 2011 is long overdue. Remember, Sata’s own commission of inquiry recommended the restoration but the president chose Lozis’ independence by rejecting restoration.
It’s either Sata restores 64BLA or declares Barotseland independent. Having rejected restoration, Zambia has no claims to any part of Barotseland. Assured: I am not Lozi.
PHOTO OF THE DAY: CHELLAH TASTES WINE AS HE WAITS FOR HIS BOSS IN HOSPITAL
President Michael Sata’s spokesperson George Chellah is pictured here in London on the 5th August 2013, when people were wondering where Sata was.
Remember Sata sneaked out of the country on July 31, 2013 and sneaked back in Zambia on 10th August?
It seems while doctors were attending to his boss, Chellah decided to test some chilled wine at a swanky hotel close to the hospital.
On the table in the foreground is a copy of the Evening Standard, London’s main daily newspaper. The story on the front was published August 5th
Photo: PHOTO OF THE DAY: CHELLAH TASTES WINE AS HE WAITS FOR HIS BOSS IN HOSPITAL President Michael Sata’s spokesperson George Chellah is pictured here in London on the 5th August 2013, when…
What’s wrong with Lozis..? I am from Western province, but in this age i know that BEMBA=ENGLISH in Zambia.. Learn to live with that and Kwa Mungu will develop.
You are very wrong wiseman. Infact you are deliberately trying to create a rift between the two tribes. It won’t work because individual bembas and lozis are much smarter than you think. Remember the poster of the Mwata at the entrance to Mongu? Both tribes and their kings ignored that and continued to coexist. People like you should not be allowed to exploit the announcement by linyungandambo to create civil unrest. Yes, if one can learn one more language, that is progressive. Are you saying the Bembas represent the govt in power while Lozis and other tribes are their subjects? That is the impression your type is trying to create. We refute that bcoz we know that is not the case. Sad, really.
You are a fool!
@Wiseman,
I am sorry to say you are not wise enough, yours is a lie you are not a Lozi, otherwise you would have spelt Mongu correctly.
Hey this paper is at it also. I hate tribal sentiments.Blog on a nation( barotseland) whether it exists or not. You are right Lozi is made up of 34 earthinic groups
All Zambians in the UK speak Bemba. What a load of bull. May be in your living room but certainly not in my circles which I think you would not have the qualities to join as we would not be able to understand your yapping.
I live in the UK and speak Bemba too! I am not Bemba but it is the lingua franca of Zambia so like every body else I just get on with it MUKWAYI.
My wife is bemba, but my children and I just speak English. What will speaking bemba take them? Nowhere. Where will they get good education with speaking bemba?
sms cleo to 414. do it for our country.
The way the BA64 has been handled is pretty bad. civility was abashed by Kaunda when he tried to take away the powers and autonomy of that land. this was a serious flaw.
we are now paying the price for it.
as usual, people are still not seeing that a mistake was made and it needs to be corrected pretty quickly. but then, pride comes before a big fall, and it is this pride that will bring Zambia on its knees very soon.
you have a situation where the AU has fond a prima facie case against this country over the BA64, but authorities are still playing tom and jerry over it.
things have fallen apart and arresting people just for wearing a red baret or traditional lozi dress is not treason. how do you arrest a person for wearing traditional clothing?
Someone pliz help me understand! Is there anything that says that the lozis shud be given western province back in the so called barotse agreement? Maybe i ve not read the entire document.
Infact the people who advocate for the restoration are very few.
The Nkoyas, Mbundas, Luvales and many other tribes who are the majority are against this.
Try to restore this so called Batrose agreement you will see bllod shed in Western Province itself.
Where is the boundary of this province. If it is western province alone give them and cut them off from the rest of Zambia.
All those serving in other provinces send them back to western province so that they starve.
How many of Lozis are in the other nine provinces of Zambia who will be sent back? Do these chaps really know what they are fighting for, Or is because they are juts tribalists. We are fed up mwee.
Wena Lozi is not a tribe! Barotse or Malozi is a general term that refers to everyone. Silozi is a lingua franca or a sub national language for the tribes of Western Province. The Litungas or members of the royal family are Luyi by tribe. Their mother tongue is Siluyana.
If you ask these same Linyungandambo people which particular ‘Lozi’ tribe they come from, you will be surprised to hear that they come from different ‘tribes’ including the so called ‘other tribes’ you are fond of mentioning.
sata declared himself as a linyungandambo,give them back their land ma nyuku nyuku…whats wrong with you zambians.
Ar you so weak a tribe that you cannot survive living with other tribes. Life is not lived as a tribe but as individuals. I am a ngoni but at no point has the ngoni tribe ever come to my aid in my being employed or in my doing business. Learn to fully apply yourselves to life`s challenges. You seem to have a forbia for bembas. Even eastern is not for one tribe.
This is a consequence of Sata’s lies which he must apologize or face the temerity of his actions.
Let me explain the Lozis phobia for Bembas. Before Independence the Lozis were the favorite for the British. The reason is that they had cheated the British that Copperbelt belonged to them and they were hence entitled to mineral royalties from the copperbelt (which mainly benefited the royal family). Because of this association with the British, they somehow began to perceive themselves as a superior tribe over other tribes. They have never gotten that from their heads todate. Then came the independence struggle which was mainly spearheaded by people from Chinsali. Independence meant the loss of their inflated self-perception and mineral royalties. This is the bottom line of the Lozi’s Bemba phobia and fight for secession. They would prefer colonialism to independence
ENOUGH! As you blog Administrator General Mombotwa is busy working in his new office. Why can’t you all emulate him?
1. Go to work
2. Amu zamaye kwa Musebezi
3. Ka muunka ku mulimo.
4. kabiyeni ku nchito
5.Yendani ku ncito
etc etc etc!
Lets put things in context, Who are Linyungadambo. On whose mandate do they ride to act as spokespersons for the Lozi? they are just a bunch of attention seekers without the interests of the people of WP.
Am curious, say the govt agrees to these demands and western province secedes from Zambia. How will they survive? There are no exports from Western province, no resources I can think of that they can use. Do they expect to build another country from selling fish?
It appears you are unaware that Western Province is a major source of beef in Zambia besides fish. They are also the largest producers of rice, cashew nuts, cassava, mangoes etc. I thought Zambia breweries will start making beer from Cassava. I believe belittling the people of Western Province is in fact what is causing this anger. At independence Barotseland produced more cattle than the whole of Botswana. Botswana’s mainstay is Cattle and Diamonds the rest is down to economic management.
Thank God! I say deal with them, you know people i had always been against speaking against them whenever they raised this issue untill i visited their web site…….., I feared for mother Zambia, if you havent checked it please do, i was afraid of what i read, they serious are sick, how in hells name do they want to separate this gallant land? they should be dealt with immediately, am sorry my Lozi and Tonga friends but i cant encourage this, i love you all and i know you me, but this is unacceptable, lets stand together and protect our land we so love, we are one that is what is important, these guys whoever they are are treacharous!
who told cindy that your “freinds” are for session? you have not followed the happenings in barotseland.
Kalimba i get your point, i should have expressed my point way, i actually didnt mean that they support what is happening but incase they feel bad that i support the arrest of those fuelling the divisions and hatred of what this all circus might bring. Thankx Kalimba for thinking beyond the boundaries.
Well not way.
Yeah, I check it too, and listened to radio Barotseland. Right this minute they are dishing out ministerial portfolios. It’s serious. Their central bank governor will be an expatriate, according to the radio announcer.
It is a revolution, you can not suppress , you can only delay it. I am one of the financiers the breakaway activities in Barosteland, i dare you , come and arrest me
People of GOD, May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be upon thee. I would like to remind you that in God image we are the same because we were created in His image. If you believe in Him, then you are my brother as well as my sister. Should this small organ in our mouth cause us to turn against each other? why should we hate each other based on ear say! Look behind and see where we coming from? united we shall stand and divided we fall.
Its simple in the error of democracy. Have referendum, and if Western Province votes to separate so be be it. What do we really lose if we let westerners decide their own destine, what benefits are there in remaining as a group called Zambia? Haven’t you ever heard of the word divorce where there are irreconcilable differences or something of that sort! Its called SLAVERY to keep a group against its will; and it may take decades for others to appreciate this simple fact but its truth anyway.
Barotse activists muciteko fast kankondo kaili. why are you taking long. First it was underdevelopment now since you dont want it. Lets just finish it off. I cant wait for this one. we we will first send street kids you kill them, them street vendors you kill them then we the Commandos will come and finish off. By the end of the war no Barotse activists, no street vendors and no street kid and lusaka will be clean.
Pf govt listen.1.As long as u give let traditional chief bcome mo powerful dat will be the order of the day.(Chiti will 1 day declare that),2.Do not tolerate these idi ots and don’t think that u will ever please dem.3.Mark upnd nd mmd thugs.
I am biggining to hate this Bemba forbie by some of st upid pipo especially the mentioned above. The more u hate them the greater they become.Actually u are the worse tribalists.Cocroaches! look at ichi chi lunatic chi NDOBO and chi ENKE.BACKWARD !
i dont talk to kids like you Osmare.. learn to clearn your nose properly and go to school to learn ABC upto Z so that you can write properly not those tundolo you write.. then maybe i will talk to you,,, nja wena!!!!
On the run!!!!! When you start something you should be brave. The problem the Lozis have they did not realise how craft the Bembas are. Ask us the easterners they hammered us with the muzzle loaders.we run ukutoloka impili mumanenekela. Even the colonialist realised that you should not mess around with Bembas. You will run on sand without shoes.
i know that a lozi can vote for anyone as a president but,
with your own experience,
do you think a bemba can vote for a lozi for presidency president??
of the tow, who do you think practice tribalism ??
Yes I can.
Yours truly,
Umubemba Nkonko
Sata is not the one who made yo area ‘poor’ but there are signficant deptal projects that are underway & are being intieted.Dose thugs are political failures from upnd and mmd who want 2 detract pf becoz dey know dat 2016 come it is pf all de way.
True, look I thot these pipo sebabata ki zwelo pili, kulila meeto tele kuli the government has rejected the western province( some of the areas in a map I saw describing the barotse land e.g kopala and this other part of the railway line are sweiling with development! Our beloved president who the Lord God has blessed us with( the bible says all leadership comes from God) has intiated the development they are so much crying for! But look, these pipo can’t see or atleast appriciate……and give him chance to complete his ideas, I think we are not going forwad with such!
After all
Am just saying
This age thinking of tribe….what nonsense? The age where my wife/husband is Tonga, Lozi , Bemba , Nsenga, Lunda, Luvale etc. and our children are tribeless. How dull and stu.pi.dy can the so called educated people can be? If aka Mulozi and aka Bemba of the 1920 fought over a Luvale girl or is it a Ngoni, any way whatever, it can not prevent us children from loving each other. I like the soft spoken Lozi girls and by any chance I will marry one so that we enjoy each other… stupi.pidy tribalists leave us children to enjoy our bodies. Very and useless tribalists you are shaaa.
Peace and Prosperity to mother Zambia.
@Truth Hates
I always imagined you were female!
Because He’s gay…
Can u fix them once and for all. lf they think there will be any one who comes from outside to there rescue dey are mistaken.Tribalist,haters,lazy,cowards ,jearous pipo etc,etc. Can some tangible actions against dese demons b done pls?let dem rot.
More money in your pockets, THE MAILON BROTHERS CAPTURES.
Ba LT have an editor. Don’t just allow even useless comments to be uploaded. especially on on this issue I have not seen any meaningful debate we are just busy insulting each other I wonder if most of the bloggers are mature people on this site.
insults will not solve any problem.
Capture those Mailoni bros.part 2.
SATA! look at what you have caused…. May thunder fire your mouth full of lies!
It is not about government taking a good step but ubufi. PF when they were in opposition condemned harshly with what MMD did about the Barotse secession, and released 27 prisoner and promised them to do what they thought was going to be hope for Westerners. Remember, one gentleman said that thank you Mr. President and this means we are going back for another strategy. PF government was happy and relaxed. What do we see today, is a boomerang bouncing back on them.
Don’t talk about that you thief. How much are you doing for North-western province apart from stealing its resources and building your capital city with two universities! Ata bakabolala mwe, what come from your province too that we shall say that Zambia is benefiting from you area, when all the fish is all finished!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cage those bustd,and remove them their testacos
Killem!!
We kabwa kalisha ngoma Dorica selela kuno!
I stumbled, once again, over Kaluwe’s Barotseland Peace Foundation. Why establish a Peace Foundation in America now?
Arrest all those who support secession, they are enemies of peace and of ZAMBIA.
One Zambia One Nation.
i wonder
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