The Movement for Multiparty Democracy (MMD) has castigated the Catholic Church, for opposing the reconciliation between President Mwanawasa and Patriotic Front (PF) President Michael Sata.
MMD Spokesperson Benny Tetamashimba says it was disappointing that the Catholic Church was questioning the reconciliation between the two leaders instead of preaching peace and reconciliation.
Mr. Tetamashimba, who is also Local Government and Housing Deputy Minister, said the church should learn to promote reconciliation and peace instead of dwelling on issues that bring instability.
He said in a statement released to ZANIS in Lusaka today that the MMD party was surprised that the Catholic Church was questioning the reconciliation of the two leaders instead of encouraging forgiveness and reconciliation.
Mr. Tetamashimba charged that Bishops in the Catholic Church have no authority to judge any person except God and that there is need for the nation to pray so that the wishes of the two leaders can be fulfilled through the grace of God.
He wondered why it was difficult for the Catholic Church to accept the reconciliation of the two popular leaders when the church had an obligation to preach peace and reconciliation.
Mr. Tetamashimba observed that in all churches that included the Catholic Church, when people come to confess their sins for forgiveness from God and not to the Bishops, they do not state all the sins that they had committed against God, but the words from their mouths are enough for God to forgive them.
He said the MMD is aware that there are fathers in the Catholic Church who have children when they are not supposed to have children adding that some fathers were dismissed but that after a year they were recalled back and are preaching in the churches as fathers and that Bishops have not asked the fathers to tell the nation of the same.
Mr. Tetamashimba stated that it was discouraging for the Church to be against decisions aimed at bringing peace among political leaders in the country.
He questioned why it was difficult for the Catholic Church to ask to meet President Mwanawasa and PF President Michael Sata even at State House to learn more information about the reconciliation if ever they have the interest.
Mr. Tetamashimba has since challenged the Catholic Church to tell the nation the Commandments they got from God through Jesus Christ if they can’t preach peace and reconciliation because there existence as a church based on preaching peace and reconciliation.
Tetamashimba, ifyamba over!!! Stop gutter politics!! You harbour Jonas & your friends, whilst you want to start hammering priests as if the whole world doesn’t know???
Sata has 2 kids with bishop Tele. Mpundu’s 2 sisters and one of them is based in UK. So these 2 guys are in-laws but they should not drag the whole catholic/nation into debates for personal interests or gain. Bishop should join politics fulltime like Nevers did and let see what unfolds- he will be the poorest of them all. Stop clinging to church when deep down you wanna play politics. No fooling around anymore.
Forgive and forget. The step taken by the
Two leaders is helpful to their medical ailments and promotes ownership on national decisions. What is the connect between bishops fathering kids and sata/levy reconciliation. My foot!!
My Friend Ben, You never mess around with the Catholic Church!! Focus on bringing more development to Solwezi.
# could be 100% true but out of context.
Teta…people are entitled to their opinions and stand on certain issues! nichani kansi?
MMD are as great as a used condom. They have no moral ground to condemn the Catholic Church on political issues.
In Zambian politics any minister can comment on any matter. I thought Ben is a minister of Housing and local Govt. Zambian politics a real circus. Doesn’t he understand that church speaks for the voiceless on different matters.
I guess you can wake up as a minster or Party spokesman and talk any nonsence you want. I thought these guys retired. Who votes for them anyway.
Iam surprised. is katholik a church or it is a cult.no wonder the mark of the beast( 666) is associated to it.please katholiks repeant and join seventh,that is the only true church that preaches salvation.
it is true seventh is the only church that has the trueth
Please lets not start judge these churches. I all think this or that church is the best yet we know nothing of them. Remeber judgement day is waiting whether catholic or Seventh. The church will not save any one only ones faith with determin.
was that really neccessary ba teta.this guy never says anything important. we dont need such kind of people in leadership no wonder Ba Mudala Ba SATA calls him ” This Kama Tetamachongo or Ka Tetamanonsensse”. Ifyamba Muleke ba teta.
#9 and 10. People in Zambia are still confused like # 9 and 10. The true church is that her foundation is based on the apostles. Seventh day is a recent movement started by a guy due to personal reasons. In short Seventh day is a break away movement whose faith is based on the old testaments. remember, we are a people of the new testament with a covenant God made with us through hie son Jesus Christ. So the New Sabbath is Christ. The catholic Church has its foundation of the apostle Peter who was appointed by Christ to take care of the sheep. My brothers# 9and 10, give us the history of your church. You like making noise with the mouth close without knowing what you are saying.
When it comes to practical christianity, no one beats the catholic church through its social responsibilities, schools, hospitals, community, social, peace and economic justice are all catholics hold profound. Policies and actions made by gov affects them directly unlike some churches who have no social responsibility.
#1&13 u better shut yo mouth.do not condem pipo 4 for yo own selfish reasons even when they are right.saventhday church was started by God himself when he finished creating the world and his son jesus christ who was the word.He becamejesus christ in flesh.ie jesus(savour)christ(annointed one)the catholic church came up turning against the seventhday church(anticrist)and all the sunday churches are protestants from the roman catholic church.jesus christ has been there since the foundation of world and he is here now and forever more.DO NOT MISLEAD PIPO WITH YO LITTLE MISINTERPRETED BIBLE KNOWLEDGE.
Catholic church changed the day of worship from saturday to sunder in 321 AD.by coster antino.
This is because the catholic church has a the authority to change rules.it has the keys which we received from peter the apostle
More trueth is coming out.the priest has just confirmed that catholic indeed is not the true church and all the pentecostals are there only to motivate people that give and you will receive a blessing.these pentecostals are in the business of making money.
pliz people repeant and join the true church.seventh day
Zimandola is saying the trueth
keep it up.thats why they are against reconciliation of our leaders.that speaks volumes.
Children of God tell me, is zimandola,munene,etc telling the truth?
can someone bring me to light.i am a pentecostal
Stupid Teta,age does not always come with wisdom,Teta is misleading the nation what Bishop Mpundu said besides he said that was a personal opinion.
At the center of the teachings of the Catholic Church is nothing else but Jesus’ message of salvation, of peace, of reconciliation, of justice and of the respect of the human dignity Christian or non-Christian. The Church cannot fulfill the mandate to bring the Goods News of Jesus Christ to the world without engaging in the world and pursuing its social obligation. WHETHER YOU PRAY OF MONDAY, SUNDAY OR SEVENTHDAY, who cares.
But remember, THE RISURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST WAS ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, AFTER SABBATH (SEVENTHDAY). THAT IS WHAT CATHOLICS AND OTHER CHRISTIANS CELEBRATE OF SUNDAY.
so it is true that the seventh day is the true church writen on the ten commandment.then worshiping on sunday is a total defiance of God’s law.
GOD demands total obediance to his law.no two ways about it.worship must only be done on the sabath not any other day.
like we said elsewhere, this reconcilliation will only benefit MMD and make PF disappear in thin air. just ask yourself, why is tetamatako so excited and very supportive of this deal. wait and see time will tell. PF should replace sata as soon as possible if they want to continue to make sense. sata has sold the party as payment for his evacuation.
#13 Which bible do you read? you look empty.
worshipping every day is a sin because six days we must work and not worship but on the seventh day rest and worship him who made you.
zimandola today you are speaking sense pliz keep it up.
EACH DAY OF THE LORD IS BLESSED AND WE ARE TO WORSHIP GOD AT ALL TIME. OUR LIFE OF WORSHIP AND WORK ARE NOT SEPARATE. BUT KEEPING THE DAY OF THE LORD’S RESURRECTION IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM KEEPING THE SABBATH (SEVENTHDAY). SOME KEEP THE SABBATH AS ENSHRINED THE OLD LAW OF THE OLD TESTAMENT WHILE OTHERS, FOLLOWING THE EXAMPLE OF THE FIRST FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST. AFTER HIS RESURRECTION AND GOING TO THE FATHER THEY CONTINUED TO MEET ON THE DAY OF THE RESURRECTION. THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS SENT UPON THEM ON THE DAY AFTER SABBATH. THEY CONTINUED TO BREAK THE BREAD-HOLY MEAL ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK. READ THE ACTS OF THE APOSTLES.
Many feminists and lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender activists criticize the Catholic Church for its policies on issues relating to sexuality, contraception and abortion.
I guess Zimandola is a member of one of those groups.
guys the issue of religion should not be subjected to debate. everyone has a personal relationship with God. how and when he communicates with the father is purely personal and spritual. therefore true churches should not arise in this debate
How can the church question the reconciliation of Levy and Chilufya instead of praying for them!!!!!!
trueth hurts pliz shureco read the bible.stop catergorising people wrongly.zimandola is right.atleast a verse would do to explain that zimandola is wrong
AIWA BA KOMANA. THE NEW JERUSALEM IS THE ONLY TRUE CHURCH WENA.
Age does not always come with wisdom,& Teta is the epitome of this.
Bishop Mpundu was speaking in his own capacity & he has been misrepresented by that *****
It’s too much mweee!!!the fathers have gone too far!no wonder they bare called father!!!too many street children and that’s why they have alot of orphanages you know….they are ballies!
Teta has gone too far as well….mind the way you talk.
#13 and all those interested, the Sabbath a shining reflection of God’s love in all ages:
Hebrews 4 + KJV Bble (New Testament)
Hbr 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Hbr 4:5 And in this [place] again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Hbr 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Hbr 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Hbr 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Hbr 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Hbr 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his.
Hbr 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Hbr 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Have a HAPPY WEEKEND – Sabbath (the 7th and last day of the week).
Mwefipuba
Revelation 1 + KJV Bible.
Rev 1:3 Blessed [is] he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time [is] at hand.
Revelation 12 + KJV Bible
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him….
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
…sorry for populating this thread with Holy Scriptures but I just had to reach some soul like #19 and others
Chase the devil Ministries in only true church……
If SDA is the true church how come it’s not even mentioned in the bible. The true followers were and are called the bride of Israel and are in the book of revelations. SDA’s are just obsessed with one law of the commandments and yet they forget they are 613 laws together with the sabbath. It’s funny how SDA’s don’t even match the true followers in the bible. Next week is a holiday for the true followers that is prescribed in the bible, ironically the SDA’s don’t even celebrate it.
The bride of Israel follower
#25
Breaking bread is a jewish custom that happens after the sabbath. The sabbath starts on friday sundown and ends saturday sundown. The apostles were breaking bread on the 1st day of the week which starts on saturday sundown and ends sunday sundown. The day Sunday was not even in existance until 45 BC when Julius caesar created it. Jews no anybody in the scriptures never followed the roman calendar or sunday until 321 when the sunday law was passed. Theres not one single law or request that says observe sunday thats a false vain law of men that forbidden.
#16
“coster antino” It’s Emperor Constantine not Coster Antino. The real father of the church together wirg Eusebius. Constantine built the first church ‘Constantines’ basillica’ and is responsible for 90% of the doctrines that are unscriptural that christians follow thinking they are righteous. Babylon the great and the beast were to be known when they changed the dates and appointed festivals, Theres only one organisation that fits that description.
Ben Tetamashimba’s words are too strong. He must and should choose his words very carefully. Talking about priest’s infidelity is unrelated to what the Catholic Church raised. What was needed was an academic and sensitive response to the Catholic Church and not the rant by Tetamashimba.
MMD should always keep in mind that they will need the Church in developing the country. They differ today, but partners tomorrow and so it matters what Ben says.
LET US SHARE KNOWLEDGE AND LEARN FROM EACH OTHER. I am writing to respond to hehehe, Zimandola, Chimuka and Choma. I know today is their Sabbath and they are at worship. I am a Catholic Christian and will go to worship tomorrow.
WHEN DID THE SEVENTHDAY ADVENTIST CHURCH START?
Seventh-Day Adventism (SDA) arose during the Adventist movement of the around 183s and after. The “Seventh-day” refers to the OT or Jewish Law of the sabbath, or Saturday worship which starts on Friday evening and ends on Saturday evening.
The word “Adventist” is about the SDA belief that they are the fulfillment of prophecies pertaining to the latter days remnant and the coming of Christ. They are the chosen ones because the Sabbath day is the dividing line between those who are doomed and the chosen ones.
This Adventist movement was speared when in 1844 an itinerant Baptist preacher William Miller predicted the Second Coming of Christ to happen on October 22, 1844. This was based on the writing of Daniel 8:14. But when this say came, every one was disappointed and this is often referred to as THE DAY OF GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT. (Read Encyclopedia of American Religions, Vol. 2, pp. 21–22).
After this “Great Disappointment,” one “little flock” still insisted the date of their original predictions had been correct. A more radical follower of Willian Miller was a Lady, a Prophet caaled Ellen G. White. She lived between 1827 and 1915. She has left the greatest influence in the shapping of the SDA Church.
Instead, the teaching took a new shape that the event marked by October 22, 1844 was not the Second Coming, but the entrance of Christ into the Holy of Holies in the Heavenly Sanctuary. This was explained using the parable of Ten Virgin given by Jesus. “Anyone who had not accepted the Adventist message by the time Jesus entered the Holy of Holies was to be shut out permanently,
t was in 1846, the group had adopted the Seventh-Day Baptists’ view that the Saturday Sabbath must be observed by all Christians and not Sunday. In 1850, James and Ellen White began publishing a magazine, The Review & Herald, to disseminate Adventist and Sabbatarian doctrines. This helped many of the remaining followers of William Miller to coalesce into a distinctive body, which adopted the name of Seventh-Day Adventist Church in 1860 (Encyclopedia of American Religion, Vol. 2, p. 681).
Why Sabbath important: Ellen White wrote, referring to the Old Testament Scripture, “In the last days, the Sabbath test will be made plain. When this time comes, anyone who does not keep the Sabbath will r
“The divine institution of the Sabbath is to be restored …The central issue will be obedience to God’s law and the observance of the Sabbath. … Those who reject it will eventually receive the mark of the beast” (TGC, pp. 262–63). White further said, “I saw that the Holy Sabbath is, and will be, the separating wall between the true Israel of God and unbelievers” (Early Writings, p. 33).
What does the SDA say about the Catholic Church: Ellen White writings and others taught and some time continue to teach that the Catholic Church is the ANTI-CHRISTI, an evil cult and all there members a destined to damnation. It would be uncharitable to ascribe this to all, but to some of those who have writ
I am a Catholic Christian and greatly respect what others believe including the SDAs. What we need is to learn from each other, to build bridges of love. Only the words of Jesus explain the truth: “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your mind and with all your strength, and your neighbour as you love yourself. On these two is where the Law of the Prophets and all laws stand”.
To hell with so called clergy men who think they will forever course the political path of Zambia .Can Mpundu and his mukanjo concentrate on preaching the truth to his misled followers.Teta you a politician and represent the thoughts of your party carry on forget about foolish critics just because you do not come from the ‘right province’.Shame on Mpundu.Who do not see reconciliation as positive i know you wanted Levy to come and knee before you in confession on a friday but he’s not your member maybe Sata is .You’ve no right to command the President whom maybe you did not even vote for.
#38, may be try to read the scriptures and establish which church Jesus went to. If we are christians, let us follow what Jesus Christ did. Period
Who is Jesus? Haven’t you heard of prophet Mohammad,’Sla allah alih wa salm’?
Ba SDA ba ‘holier than thou’, who doesnt know what goes on in your church? Remove the spec in your eye so that you are able to see what is wrong in your brother’s eye.
MMD, the Catholic Church helped you to be where you are, and if it was not for mokey tricks, Sata could have been president by the help of the Catholic church, watch out !!
sorry, meant ‘monkey’ not ‘mokey’.
#47, I understand your position. You have written some truths and untruths about the SDA Church, but I do not think this is the right topic to address your concerns.
My advice for you is find and SDA CHurch which is eaisly reachable by you and ask for contact details of the pastor manning that particular church. I am sure an SDA pastor will be the best to relay the whole truth about the SDA church.
I would have loved to help you, but I am busy compiling my thesis and so time is tricky. I have also considered giving you my – fictituous – email address, but I think you need a 1 on 1 discussion and so a pator will help you better.
#54 cont’d. …pator in above is ‘pastor’.
If you have been relying on SDA Church members who are not well informed, sorry you mighty have been feed with a mixture of truth and error.
The SDA Church believes that itself as a church not a end but a means to an end. Only God, our Creator, will decide who will and will not go to heaven. Also, any human being, be it a Roman Catholic or a Pentecostal or an SDA, has an equal chance of getting to heaven by God’s grace. The only thing is dividing: (New Testament) Hebrews 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
1. On your challenge and subsequent answers in #42 onwards: WHEN DID THE SEVENTHDAY ADVENTIST CHURCH START? …, I would like to clarify that the SDA come into a formal organisation in 1863 while the name Seventh Day Adventist Church was coined in 1860.
Find more resources on w w w. whiteestate . org / issues / video . h t m l and w w w . lusakatimes . com / ? p=2290 by removing the spaces in the links.
If there is more I can do to HELP YOU #47, please shout on this same thread about it.
Be blessed and keep well you all.
Daniel 12 + KJV Bible
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words [are] closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
uwakwensha ubushiku bamutasha elobwacha, get well soon Mr Sata we also dont want to know what took place at that meeting.
People let us resist from condemning religons different from ours? our beliefs are all based on faith? no one really knows what the true religion is? let us focus on fortune seekers and bootlickers looting our resources.
#59, the true religion is Christianity and the body or denomination is easy to identify too. Consider:
[KJV Bible]
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Ephesians 4
Eph 4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.
2Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:9[Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
#59. You may ask me what is truth, in biblical terms?
Well, the Holy Scriputres record on the wor TRUTH:
John 17 + KJV Bible
Jhn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
And so, there are no myths here. The Holy Bible has sufficient information on salvation – Ye(hu)shua = Jesus in Isaiah 62:11, Matthew 1:21 and Luke 2:21,25,30 – for all questions one has.
it is very surprising that up to this time our ministers do no how to respond to issues. i wonder if they eben listen to what they are saying. they should atleast differeciate between an issue raised and the person who has raised that issue. Archibishop Mpundu’s opionion or statement has nothing to do with ‘marriage clergy’ been brought back in the church. Bwana Teta, what the Archibishop is questioning is what the two leader discussed for several hours before they made that statement. i urge our leaders to atleast use there rationality not emotions or idols of the tribe to reason. come on zambias.
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peter please stop this posting you ***** .
Truth of the matter is that all of you [catholics or SDA’s]christ died for you.All you need is to repent,read the Bible prayerfuly and God will show you the way.Jesus Christ want all the people to be saved even those who are still refusing what is written in His Holy [Bible].Remember God is not ready to change anything from the Bible,so whatever is there will be there forever.As human beings,it’s share worst of time to argue with God’s word.May the Holly Spirit talk to you.
Great and nice stuff #66.
King James Version Holy Bible
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.
Have a nice day you all.
The Sabbath keepers have missed it, in the Jesus times the Jewish Calendar was in use and Seventh day could have fallen any day not neccessaily saturday waht we use now is a british Calendar.Merely counting 1,2,3 like children from Kindergatten and arriving on the 7th figure should not change people’s lives so much and lose them.Anyday whether Sunday or the Sabbath is nothing what matters is how one stands with his maker.
#68, consider Colossians 2 + KJV Bible
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.
The sabbaths you are referring to are the ones mentioned in the scriptures above.
On the otherhand, the Seventh Day Sabbath is the following:
Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
The Holy Scriptures record:
8:10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; …
#69, continued….
Hebrews 8 + KJV Bible
8:10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Revelation 12 + KJV Bible
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To crown it all, Jesus said (as recorded in)
John 14 + KJV Bible
Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
If you don’ understand this simple message, then I don’t know #67. There is no mistake in construing of the Holy Scriptures. The Seventh Day Sabbath is a shining testimony of god’s people.
Revelation 7 + KJV Bible
Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Have a blessed day you all.
I thank you my brother who are arguing by giving biblical evidence. I pray to God to give you wisdom and time to show light to those who are lost. The Seventh-Day Sabbath is the true day of our Lord Jesus and there is nothing that will change that. One of the contributors talked about what bad thing SDAs do, yes my dear SDAs are just sinners like anybody else but that does not change God’s law in any way. Emperor Constintine Changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday and there is no biblical support for such a change. Now what is better to save man or God your creator???? That is a personal question. Another Pentecostal brother/sister wanted to now the truth. Yes Sunday is a brain…
…child of th catholic church and all who observe Sunday only pay hommage to the catholic establishment. Do not be mislead search the siptures diligently and the lord will reveal the truth to you. If you could find an honest Catholic clergy, they will tell you the truth and admit to all these things. I will pray that God agitates your spirit so you do not rest until you find the truth. Happy Sabbath to you all.