UPND/PF pact challenged on gay rights
The PACT leaders ( Michael Sata and Hakainde Hichilema)
The Forum for Leadership Search has challenged the PF/UPND pact to state their position on the gay rights.
Forum for Leadership Search executive director Edwin Lifwekelo has said the opposition Patriotic Front (PF) and United Party for National Development (UPND) should state their position on the issue of homosexuality and secular state with regard to Zambia being declared a Christian Nation.
Mr. Lifwekelo has told QFM today that he is aware of the fact that some opposition political party leaders are meeting donor countries that believe in the rights of gay persons and support the declaration of Zambia as a secular state.
He said Zambians would not allow selfish leaders that support gay rights and Zambia being a secular state, calling on the church to guard jealously the declaration of Zambia as a Christian nation.
He added that the church should resist leaders that have auctioned Zambia on condition that they would recognize gay rights and declare Zambia a secular state once in State House.
Mr Lifwekelo noted that he fully supports vice president George Kunda’s challenge to the UPND/PF pact to state their position on the same sex relationships.
[ QFM ]
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Edwin Lifwekelo you are a **** and a let down in this society, by the way you pays you to talk rubbish like this, i hope it is not tax payers money, one day you will have to account for your action and the money you are paid for.
mushota tell us your prefered sexual act I guess its dick sucking or yakumbuyo. upnd died a long time ago what remains are dreams of mazoka rest are just lourneymen with no agenda. all they want is become president but no plan. lifwekelo dont flog a dead and rotten horse in upnd it shall never rise
The Forum for Leadership Search INDEED!! so if we need leaders we should just go to The Forum for Leadership Search.??
Lifwekelo, Zambia has never been a Christian Country and it will never be. What i know is that Human being have the choice to belong to any religion of their choice or even not to belong to any at all. It is not up to the GRZ, or an organisation such as The Forum for Leadership Search to decide.
About gays?? well i dont know because i am not one..The sad reality is that gays are among us and they will always be there.
What one or more conscenting adults do in the privacy of their own room is nobody’s business but those participating. That privacy, no matter what it may be or how it is spent, should also be kept in the confines of said room. I have no idea what the sexual orientation of probably 70% or more of those whom I know is, and frankly have no interest on what that may be, as it is surely, absolutely, 100% none of my business, THAT SHOULD BE THE ATTITUDE OF EVERYONE OF US
What do I care who they go to bed with?? What I want to know is, how do you treat other people? What morals do you have? What standards do you hold yourself to as a human being? Are you kind to animals?
Sata and Hakainde should accept gays and legalise it. Dont live in the 18th century
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It is very retrogressive to hype discussion about gay rights on the expense of fundamental issues facing the Zambian economy, development and democracy. Let us move with time and the world – being gay is no longer a taboo and being against gays is certainly unti-christianity. Jesus embraced a prostitute in Mary Magdalene while prostitution was and is still banned in the bible. Was he being anti-christian then? If the opposition have supported the gay rights then they should be appluaded for being intune with our era. My advice to HH and Sata is to steer away from this discussion as it is a ploy by MMD to misconstrue christianity. By the way I am not gay.
Declaring Zambia a Christian nation has not in itself added any values because people have not changed the way they conduct themselves. I am not an advocate of homosexuality and must not be allowed to take root in Zed, but neither has prostitution been scaled down by the declaration.
Probably we need to conduct a massive “Operation Coitus Interruptus” across the country maybe the declaration will make sense
mushota you started having sexual intercourse at 13 when you were a minor with no consent status. you were defiled, raped, abused, and I wonder if you have a normal birthcanal bcos at 13 its not ready for sexual acts. you need psychitric help no wonder you have ended up with an old whiteman bcos they take advantage of mentally deranged poor girls like you. your birthcanal might need reconstruction bcos it must be damaged permanently without you realising
I’m a Zambian christian and gay what do i do?
I never really understood “gay rights”. I mean if A homosexual man wants to marry a woman he can marry a woman, If a gay man wants to shop freely in a store, he can shop freely in a store so what rights do homosexuals really want? If they think we should allow them to perverse society with their perverted acts then they’ve got another thing coming.
Zambia is a Christian nation and it shall remain that way forever. Majority of the people in Zambia recognize Christianity as there preferred religion. Christianity remains the most practiced religion in Zambia. Declaring Zambia a secular state is declaring Zambia a non-Christian nation and is an act against God. We must therefore respect and defend the declaration of Zambia as a Christian nation whether you practice Christianity or not.
Lifwekelo, did you know that your boss George Kunda bums his security detail? He is curtenyly seeking counselling and he is traumatised because no one can believe him.
#8 christianity does not condone homosexuality. Please continue living in Germany.
Edwin you are an *****. you must have been brought up like a dog. in fact you look gay or something else yourself. you mean you cant find a better way of keeping your family. What leadership search do you talk about you MMD chap. You must concentrate on taking your medicine, no wonder you look grey.
Ba LT ala ba Sata babi so mulebakopako bwino twapapata! This photo has really exaggerated his ugliness. But the two should not waste their time responding to executives of paid up one-man NGO. These politically instigated NGOs were rampant under FTJ but under Levy they just died a natural death. Now under Kamwendo Munjila Alaa Bee they have revived again. They are really a nuinsance!! Viva HH, viva Sata
its a sign of desperation by those in opposition
Just leave the gay people alone it is their choice learn to mind your own business…
Its also a sign of those in Govt
Which hole one enters can not be used as a force multiplier during the polls !
Gay Rights are Human Rights. Period. Bible , Bible Bible. The book does not teach anyone to punish others on behalf of God. But this is what every qwark church goer wants to make everyone of us believe. This is crazy LGBT people alone.
Have you ever tried to find out how many heterosexual couples have anal sex.
@Mad Dog , good question !
There are a hundred and one reazonz why leaderz from both the ruling and oppoziton partiez may meet and confer with diplomats or indeed donorz. It iz rather baffling that a situation haz been created to suggest that the PF met some diplomats just to discuss, of all thingz, the so called homosexuality!
Zambia is secular, last time I checked. The declaration has not brought back the rule of the religious right in the administration of justice if I can remember (no eye for an eye and turn the other cheek stuff is happening yet). On gay rights, well, it is a struggle that will continue for as long as African countries elsewhere are condoning it. By the way, I am ware some religions do allow anal sex as well as sodomy as a matter of practice… food for thought then.
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I hope you are not suggesting the anal thing is wrong by your assertions
There is a lot of ways and places to do it and sattisy the partner. Thats what i have learnt as i have grown. back front, mouth between breasts anything, is irrelevant.
I do agree though, that anyone that condemns homosexual partners nees educating , and is backwards
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If u take gays as sexually challenged u will understand that their disability has to be respected like any body else’s because some try to straight but somehow they find the affinity for the wrong plug is stronger and they really struggle with it.
Is this how these guys intend to search for leaders?:-?
Animals dont even think of putting it where shi.t exits.Lord have mercy on this degeneracy.
I think they are merely being asked to state their position by a citizen like anyone of us. There are only 3 answers they can give; for, against or mixed. Kunda stated his position last week, he said he is against gay rights. So let HH and Zondwe answer, no big deal.
These mongrels practicing & promoting sodomy should not be allowed in zed.We the citizens, will hunt you down and cleanse our nation of this evil.No sane leader can allow such shi.t to prevail.Thats PF/UPND for you lol.I need to start exporting machetes to zed mwee.
These are the issues we need to be clear of when making the decision to choose our leaders. Leaders should not drive on selfish ambitions nor desire to earn financial support to get enough political mileage. It is a big issue which can show a clear moral stance of a credible leader. Remember money is something but what is importantant is peace & fairness in what we are doing. A leader can advocate for gay rights to earn a simple way to plot one but it will injure our christian beliefs and doctrines thats why i support VIP on that stance.
All zambians are guy by nature.We just pretend to be straight.Trust me.
Theres nothing wrong with being gay.
ALL WE WANT IS A SIMPLE CLEAR ANSWER FROM PF/UPND LEADERS. DO YOU SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS AND ZAMBIA’S DECLARATION AS A CHRISTIAN NATION? SIMPLES…..
#32: Who is WE. May be Lifwekelo can show us the clause in MMD manifesto that talks about gay rights. His bedfellow Chiffire has since been shamed by the Brits and this guy decides to peddle another agenda…desperate moments indeed!
What a waste of time! the Bible is Clear,we all know that it is unnatural..even animals know better!the funny thing about this is that, we only hear it in the west.Muslims do not entertainment this nonsense.
lifwekelo is a homo himself..
Overall, I hate these people who pop up and echo others’ words just to be seen to be saying something. Indeed Mwanawasa had dealt with one man NGOs but alas, they’re back!
I like the challenge put to the opposition, how I wish the opposition was challenged to state their position on many other issues of national interest. Out of the many issues affecting our people, Lifwekelo is asking about gay rights! Is this our priority? He and those he supports should start by asking the opposition what they will do to increase job opportunities which will translate into food on the table and improved health and standard of living of the poor majority Zambians. I think the gay issue is NOT a priority at all. Please learn to speak on issues that add value to Zambian’s, keeping quiet is valuable…
Bushe aba bambuli bamuboma na ba fuzi nabo abena Lifwes.hit, do they read people’s comments on LT? If they do, they can learn to shut their traps.
” Mr Lifwekelo noted that he fully supports vice president George Kunda’s challenge to the UPND/PF pact to state their position on the same sex relationships. ”
What is the MMD’s ‘stance’ on same sex relationships? Why would the MMD’s VP ‘challenge’ the PF-UPND to declare their position?
#26 just go o g l e donkey rapes man and your eyes will see
#28 first wipe out the racists who just see black and does’nt care if ur straight or gay christian or not.. there are there to fcuk all who’s black including you
For your information ba Capitalist, even Christians can bring perversion. Case in point, FTJ grabbing another man’s wife just after declaring Zambia a Christian Nation. Another case is our sitting President Rupiah Banda marrying his grand daughter Thandiwe. Probably we should include these two in this discussion. Anything that two consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedroom cannot be regarded as perversion unless it destroys ones marriage or they include kids in those acts like FTJ and Banda have done. In fact, this is not a political discussion because it really is a religious and social discussion. Why should politicians start picking our partners? Politician should be very much concerned with our economy, development but not our bed mates. Imagine FTJ picking your spouse.
Some people just never grow up. It is like junior sec school kids in biology class on reproduction. All excited! What is all the buzz about gays??? I have a son who is gay. Do you want me to castrate him?
I have four dogs, one bitch and three males. At no time in my five years with these dogs have i seen one male jumping on another male. They actually fight each other to met with the bitch. Does that mean we are worse that dogs who seem to know that sex is ONLY between the opposite sex. Mmm just thinking!
FTJ will get you in a relationship with either a very big woman like Vera, or a very tall woman than you like Regina. His choices are weired. So, let people do their own thing. As much as we talk about it, we are even informing those that don’t about it to try it. Banda, Sata or even HH are not experts on homosexuality, probably we should leave it to our pastors momentarily.
in this day and age its wrong to force people to be straight wen thier minds go for sama sex,zambia mayb be christian nation but it doesnt mean everyone has to be christian NO.everyone has a free to worship o not to worship,o believe in whatever they believe as long as it doesnt offend other people,i work with gays and lesbians and i dont see anything wrong with it cos most of them they were born like that,SO LET ZAMBIA RECOGNISE GAY PEOPLE AND ACCEPT THEM,COS WHETHER THEY ACCEPT O NOT,GAYS AND LESBIANS WILL ALWAYS BE THERE,I KNOW OF A LESBIAN MINISTER IN ZAMBIA GOVERNMENT AT THE MOMENT..AM NOT GAY AM STRAIGHT WITH A WIFE
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#42 Noooooooooooo that would be barbaric, you should love your son unconditionally after all he is human your flesh and blood, that would make you a heterosexual monster! Those that thinks otherwise..let them go and castrate their sons first to prevent them from catching aids from puuuussies
in as much as i hate homosexuality and those who try to force others to accept it all in the name of civilization. i want to state that as a christian,homosexuality is sin just like prostitution,infidelity,cheating,etc and therefore it is wrong only to look at homosexuality as the only sin. it should be condemned together with all the other sins. it should not be allowed just as we do not allow other sins,but crucifying those involved instead of helping them is absurd.
i think as Christians we tend to consider some sins bigger than others but what does the bible say? it says that if you break one of the laws of GOD you have broken them all. so if you cheat on your wife do not think you are better than a homo,any sin equates you to homo as it put you on the same level in the eyes of GOD.
I agree with # 5 Amayama . There’s too much silly hype over this issue of gay rights . There are more pressing issues than this.
# 9 Mr.Capitalist , quote ….” Declaring Zambia a secular state is declaring Zambia a non-Christian nation and is an act against God. We must therefore respect and defend the declaration of Zambia as a Christian nation whether you practice Christianity or not ” …………Now , Mr. Capitalist , that is not democratic is it ? That is dictatorial . A secular Zambia would have no effect or indeed , should have no effect on the way people go about their religious lives . Nothing would change . Do not try to mislead the gullible ! I can’t believe an LT award winning blogger can lack such a basic grasp on the nature of the world we live in.
#48 but we are not all of your christian faith in zed, some of us think with our own minds and not allow any story or book to disturb the peace. xanks!
bible story is just a story. gayism is for real! Get real pipo! Do you want us to kill ourselves? You go first see how it feels, Im gay and am staying put!
Zambia.
Where you can’t be legally screwed in the A$$ but it is ok for the government to F#ck you over daily with theft and abuse of office.
What is more serious?
The question is simple: Does HAKASATA support gay or not we want to know b4 we know whom to vote for.We demand straight answers from these so called PACTi or whatever they call it if it still exists. Dont cheat yoselves this GAY thing (the act of fuc-king a.s.s of fellow man 2gether with feaces) just imagine, is nothing but rubbish…. use-less… devilish…dirty… not even worth discussing…..
An African that does not know his origins and how we civilized the world will support anything, good bad and just plain ridiculous.
Here is a solution to this problem. Let the western nations give gay people citizenship and leave Africa alone period.
For hh and sata ,you ve be give money by mmd
don’t miscostrue people’s disabilities, the point is people want satisfaction, whether homo or masterbation. Tell u wat sex is genetically in us
lee fwe kee law you are dull .you cant cheat us.your ngo is bullokoo.wamona ati ma election time.so ulefwaya utu cawa rubbish and your…………………………..ncwa