Foreign Affairs minister, Kabinga Pande has described the assertion by an unnamed opposition leader that the provision of vehicle loans to chiefs as bribery as unfortunate.
He said it was unfortunate that such assertions are coming from someone aspiring to be president of the country .
He said such statements are an insult to the intelligence of the traditional leaders and is calculated to demean their stature.
Chief Bunda-bunda said traditional leaders appreciate the role government plays in promoting traditional ceremonies in the country.
The traditional leader noted that traditional ceremonies are important vehicle for fostering and enhanced social and cultural development in the country.
Meanwhile Government has commended the people of Chongwe district for organizing the Chibwela Kumunshi tradition ceremony despite the harsh weather conditions that prevailed in the area resulting into poor agricultural yields.
Mr.Pande said he was glad that despite the heavy rainfall experienced during the last season’s poor harvest, that the Soli people were deterred from hosting their traditional ceremony.
He added that the hosting of the ceremony is a clear testimony that the people loved their cultural heritage and traditional values aimed at fostering unity in the chiefdom.
Mr. Pande urged Zambians to be proud of their culture and preserve traditional values as opposed to promote alien culture .
Mr. Pande however said government would endeavour implementing social projects as a way of honouring late president Dr Mwanawasa’s legacy of improving the well being of its people.
The Minister was speaking when he paid a courtesy call on the chief Mbunda Mbunda at his palace yesterday.
just campaign as “matured” people. stop this finger pointing.
See why i was for idea of just waiting till 2011 to have elections.Would you rather LB sits down and not do anything because its about election time? You should blame yourself opposition pts if you lose the elections.
yes it is mr pande,why giving loans now?where were you all this time? cheap politics yooooooo
Why are they working now? Resolving the UNZA situation, now traditional leaders with rides. What next? Giving responsibility allowance to teachers?
Are you sure the govnment is giving chiefs new pajeros,plandering has started again,where is the money coming from?
why do they remember chiefs during election time?this is pure bribery
this is very prevalent in times leading to elections. one wonders whether the electoral code of conduct is broad enough to cover such unfair machinations aimed at hoodwinking the traditional leaders to vote for the “ruling” party {whatever they rule and if they rule at all}.
Its the most important thing government has ever done by giving Chiefs cars on loan .It keeps the Chiefs from being looked as bagger in the eyes on the community .asking for transport from who ever owns a car it does not give them respect.We appreciate governments effort on that one .It makes there life easy from moving from point a and B in their kingdom .Please we ask Mr Sata to stay away from dirty politics .We are happy for you to be as an opposition leader it suits you most.We need people like you to balance up the society.and to speak for us .Having as a President will turn this country into dictatorship .we know what you are capable of doing .
The Govt started giving cars and loans to chiefs last year.
How are they going to pay back those loans? most of these so called chiefs are as poor as church mice. they live on hand outs. worse still, there is the price of gas and poor road infrastructure in rural areas. Zambian politics is a circus no wonder 44yrs after independence we have nothing to show for. Its really absurd that politicians can come up with the most mundane schemes to win elections. This is the same govt that cannot pay its teachers, lecturers a living wage but can find money to waste on individuals who have no room in modern lives like chiefs. Our politians are a reflection of our average docile zambians who care more about beer drinking, ilicit sex than the general…
check today’s POST pure bribery. TO childish RB. He went to eastern with bags of mealie meal and packets of sugar to give women. Why didnt he do that earlier on if he has a heart for the poor. THE POST tagged him as SUGAR DADDY. Corrupt chap….
i am really mad at the situation in my country of birth. what shall it take? more than ever before we need real leadership than mere politicking.WE NEED A REVOLUTION! WAKE-UP ZAMBIANS THE FUTURE IS IN YOUR HANDS! Its folly for us to expect half past dead individuals to do anything meaninful for our country. where are the young turks? wake up people, look at the calibre of our recycled politicians, just talking about this makes me sick!! f@#k y’all!
peace!!
#2 How are you youngman. The ruling party is at it again have you seen RB in the POST distributing sugar and mealie meal to women in Vulamukoko, Petauke? If that is not vote buying, can someone tell me what it is.
Relief food distribution is under the office of the Vice president and giving car loans to chiefs is an old project. Maybe some people want RB to stop working until after the elections. And the UNZA problem will be resolved after the elections..
Give us the power to allocate our land back,not this rubbish.
The Chiefs have the right to use government resources as they play a vital role in ensuring all their subjects are at peace with each other. Chiefs are governors in their own right. Government need to ensure that our chiefs are educated so ensure sustanable development in villages. Our traditional ceremonies need to be brought in the twenty first century. Insteresting so see if all can drive or is the government providing a driver?
it’s a good idea to give pejalos to chiefs but not during the elections.
Ifya bupuba!
I bet you the chiefs that are recepient will only be Eastern Northern and Luapula. of well at least its better than the chiefs vote for nothing, at least this way they can arrive at the polls in style..
investments, investments, investments,…….give them agric or education loans for their subjects. Car loans are secondary projects. Is giving them car loans a developmental programme or its just some way to shut them down….???
This what we call cheap politics. Even if it was an already planned program, we can be tempted to think that it is a campaigning propaganda. That should have waited a bit, to allow elections pass. All this time you have not been giving them loans when you have been enjoying yourselves. Now you know that elections are around the corner, you bring up your dirt games of manipulating the crowds. Chiefs, advise your subjects to vote for the opposition.We don’t want to promote one part state. We fought for that when we got rid of UNIP and KK in 1991. Already they are giving us signs of being enemies of democracy by manipulating the crowds.
Ma rubbish Aya
Why Pajeros lelo??
Yesterday it was sugar and mealie meal??
And why the Acting President to do it,
A presidential candidate 4 that matter??
Very cheap politics indeed!!!
Ma Rubbish yeka yeka!!!!!!!!!!
u support such actions??
Then u too need help..
And so i stand
LT, YOUR READERSHIP AREN’T STUPID. THESE CAR LOANS ARE HISTORY. THE CHIEFS WERE GIVEN THESE CAR LOANS A LONG TIME AGO. ARE THEY HAVING ANOTHER CAR LOAN? ARE ZAMBIANS THAT DEEP-STUPID REALLY, TO BE HOODWINKED SO EASILY? I AM APPEALING TO CHIEFS TO GET THOSE CAR LOANS BUT URGE THEIR SUBODINATES TO VOTE OTHER PARTIES. THESE IRRESPONSIBLE MMD CHAPS ONE DAY WILL OVERSTRETCH THE CITIZENS INTO A TERRIBLE CIVIL WAR. DONT TAKE PIPO FOR GRANTED.
poor thinking and no planning.
what will they use the cars for? bling bling in the village? i can picture a car with 24s rims parked at the palace with no gas. there aint even roads at these chief’s palaces. i wish they had given them tractor loans to inprove agric.
its pure bribery.
I’m stronly convinced RB is not the right candidate for Zambia. The country has transformed very much and skills and leadership quality of RB is not what we are looking for in zambia. he does not posses none of the qualities. I’ve not heard anything tangible in fostering Zambia forward. He is obselete people. pabwato fye is the way forward.
IN THE POST rb WAS DISTRIBUTING SUGAR, CORN MEAL TO THE VILLAGERS IN KATETE OR IS IT PETAUKE. THIS IS CALLING PEOPLE STUPID. UNLESS THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DISH OUT THESE ESSENTIALS EVERY MONTHEND.
#19 Alumini, where else do you think you can find smart Chiefs, its Luapula and Northern provinces. They get those Pajelos and they NEVER EVER pay back the loan. And I am sure Mwata Kazembe and Chief Mwansakombe are in Lusaka collecting their FREE vehicle.
#27 u are right, HH for president no more ba kabwalala
A loan is generally based on a borrowers income.
The chiefs are no even credit worthy.
Under what capacity did Masebo procured the car?
These are the people who were saying there is no money for the elections. Now thayhave the money to loan chiefs. i think this is the time to take advantage of these leaders – air whatever complaint we have and govt will move quickly to resolve it. After the election, it will be business as usual.
#14 (Pastor J), yes relief food distribution is under the VPs office but does he have to be personally there during the distribution? He just wants people to remember his face when voting. RB is a UNIP man, we are going to see some of the old UNIP tactics.
Food distribution, fixing UNZA and now loans being given to Chiefs to buy cars which they will not be able to sustain or be able to pay back – all in the name of getting people to vote for MMD !
The problem with sort of campaigning Pande is after the elections it all ceases !! We want long development plans and not short term fixes !!
This a modern world,chiefs also deserve some comfort b4,during or after elections.Do u expect chiefs to continue ku paya nyelele or be scorched with the sun on bicycles.Why are u opporsed to this?If it were u receiving the pajero it was going to be a different story.BRAVO to RB and yo ever hardworking team.I dont support u Sata u are dictator.GO to convention first.WHERE ARE THOSE GUNS(PISTOLS) U DISTRIBUTED TO THE MMD CADRES?
The two opposition parties do not have a chance of winning. For either of them to do so, they have to convince people in Eastern, North Western, Central and Western to vote for them. People often accuse HH of being tribal, but the reason why PF wont win in the provinces that I have listed is because it is seena as a Bemba party. The only party without the tribal tag is the MMD, and they have the advantage of being the incumbent. Also, dont underestimate the sympathy vote the party will get which might even erode some support from the other two parties. So unfortunately for HH and Satana, I dont think either of you will be moving into State House anytime soon.
#23 I agree with you, these loans were given to chiefs a long time ago even before LPM died as opposed to what some people are insinuating on this blog. You may blame sitting government for helping our chiefs with loans (they get monthly allowances mind you) but PF is now promising to turn the loans into grants should they form govermnent later. No prizes for naming who has a better deal for poor Zambia. Ba Sata stop fooling and making promises your wont honour.
23 and 35 you are right. This is an old story. mwi babepefyape ba RB. These are loans were given a long time ago.
No# 29 you sound like your name. Chiefs in Zambia are on a payroll. You are naive like a real c…….h
MMD has become the Most Corrupt Party in the history of Zambia.Is this the legacy of the late LPM they talking about? RB corrupt, police Corrupt,ZRA corrupt,ZAF corrupt. who is going to save the common man.What is AKA doing.Now I know He was appointed to fix his enemy (FTJ).Wake up Zedees and boot them out!!
# Ba Mwiso mwafule wala, How could a name reflect someone’s mind? Actually the K50pin salary of chiefs is not enough to pay off a loan. Its better to think of surety than income, which is land and other nature resources they legally possesses, which you can’t compare with S.Masebo’s miniskirts.
did these chiefs legally applied for the loans and were found credit worthy. what security did they (chiefs) provide in case they default. it does not seem like there is a likely hood pf the money being paid back.
ine ulese ku zambia
MMD tells Sata to surrender membership card
MMD Ndola district vice information and publicity secretary Alex Mubanga has said PF leader Michael Sata had no right to tell Vice-President Rupiah Banda that he was still a UNIP member.And Mubanga has asked Sata to give up the MMD membership card that he has been holding on to, saying MMD cadres would get it by force if he failed to surrender it.
Mubanga yesterday said Sata should stop referring to Rupiah as a member of UNIP since he (Sata) had not yet surrendered his MMD membership card.
“Sata was once MMD and he when formed PF, no one criticised him. Why should he talk bad about the Vice-President when he was still holding on to the MMD membership card? Sata still loves MMD, that is why PF members don’t have membership cards,” he said.Mubanga warned of serious action if Sata did not return the card.“We are not going to sit and watch Sata insult our leader when he has what rightfully belongs to us.
We want him to publicly renounce the MMD membership he is holding on to. If he does not surrender the card, we will get it by force.
We are going to mobilise cadres from the Copperbelt to show him that we are not playing,” said Mubanga. “We are going to stay at his door step until he gives us our card back. Sata is ungrateful.”
Ladies & Gentmen, my question is how much is the pajero? I believe is more than three hundred million Kwacha. How many council workers have gone 6-12 months without pay? but money for pajeros is found.
How many student hostels at UNZA, CBU, and other learning istitutions damaged beyond repair + closure. Nurses and teachers allowances there is no money. pipo wake up
These are the same chaps who want 300% salary increment same of you contributors you are somehow difficult to understand.When is Zambia going to be out of the ten poorest countries on this earth? It is because of you the same chaps who see the poor as coming from another planet only during elections you see them as part of you.
Hold your fire #44. There is nothing wrong in government purchasing those pajeros. Traditional rulers do alot and it’s high time they got something for their effort. It’s just that we are used to looking down on them. Repair of UNZA and CBU hostels is another issue and funds should be sourced from somewhere else to fund such institutions. You would be surprised though to find out how much the government has sacrifed to renovate those forsaken hostels.
MMD can kiss my ass!!!
I thought that the chiefs had been given a loan. This issue was highlighted many weeks ago if am not mistaken by Masebo. It is true that traditional rulers do a lot as number 45 says. Us who live in the urban areas often forget what role they play in the lives of the rural population which is still the majority of people in Zambia.
SUGAR. SALT MEALI MEAL AND NOW CARS FOR CHIEFS…POOR MMD..YOU ARE BUYING VOTES AGAIN….WHERE IS MMFD GETTING ALL THIS MONEY FOR BUYING VOTES.. WE NEED AN INVESTIFGATION NOW..THIS IS PURE CORRUPTION IN DAY LIGHT, COME ON ZAMBIA..
Pafwenamwine # 44,
You must be of very humble knowledge hah!Under normal circumstances,our Universities and councils should not be looking to GRZ for handouts.They have capacity to generate billions of own revenue.They they have qualified business managers,and Public administrators to do wonders.Alas, the also carry alot of dimwits like you who look to Government as a father christmas.How far have gone in education forgoing your torturous English i sympathize with?I work for the City here and know how much opportunities are at the hands of cities and universities.UNZA has York farms,Scientist and Engineers to make them million dollars.Why look to GRZ?
#45,since 2006 there was no mentioning of car loans, the only thing Levy wanted was helping chiefs to have nice palaces of which some chiefs were helped with including increasing their salaries. You and I we are most lucky to be where we are, where pipo are helped with necessary basic needs.But bear in mind that car loans are political motivated. How many Doctors/ nurse leaving Zambia for greenpasture? Yes chiefs the do wonderful jobs. What about buying vehicles for health, education, agriculture, police, council and improve drainage system in Lusaka. When it rains in Kamwala you need a boat.My concern is priorities. We still living a divided country were few persons enjoy the benefits of
So far only cheap campaigns. Are these politicians this daft? We have been in trouble and will be. Zambian people are being taken for granted. As KK.
Contd. our national resources. If govt can buy Pajeros for all the senior & paramount chiefs well it is wealth billions.My concern is to see to it that Zambians enjoy the same previleges as politicians such as having medication in hospitals and staff,acces to Edacation, shelter, clean water, food, good road network just to mention a few.
Pipo like 45 can support expensive ventures like car loans for chiefs neglecting a common man then fair enough for you.
#45 You are so stupid. Why should the govt resolve unza problem now. I hope they will pay me my money and then vote PF
50. Pafwenamwine
You have proved your ignorance.President Mwanawasa died at the pick of empowering Chiefs in the House of Chiefs with automobiles on notes, electrification of palaces and roads networks.By his death 45 vehicles had already been distributed most of which were handed over between October 2007 and May 2008.Be resourceful and current with public affairs if you have to be relevant.What is happening is part of the administration’s public policy.I hope PF is not counting on you to be positioned on issues.You come out a straight jacket of an illiterate with multiple mental challenges.
#49 Observer dont compare councils/ Universities in Zambia with the western world. Even in the west they have central govts that assist with monies to these vital institutions. I dont know whether #49 you dont know that it is the responsibility of the govt to provide services to its citizens and not your view as father christmas Maybe in America the govt has no responsibility as we can look back in relation to Katrina were the govt response has been an eye sore.
Let the chiefs enjoy free gifts from their govt. Let also the women enjoy the meali meal and sugar from RB. This the reason why I like elections because there are donations and at least you are assured of a meal until the polls are over. Hunger returns after the pols becoz the politicians would have gotten what they wanted. Bring more donations and keep the fire burning.
Well said #54. People like #50 must get it through their heads that traditional leaders do more social work than the politicians. If they’re so concerned about the use of resources, then they should worry about the billions of kwachas being spent on the NCC, presidential entourage travel expenses, apamwamba’s medical bill and so on. What the government is giving these humble chiefs is actually a drop in the ocean.
#53&54 you are lacking reasoning, my concerns are not born out of ignorance neither politically motivated at all. One life saved is good for humanity. Maybe you guys you went to Zambia along time and you have not seen the misery of Zambians.Who do you like your loved one sleeping on the floor in hospital or to be attended to after a long time in a line eg UTH? Ashame. I was hoping pipo like you in the west can inspire others about the importance of serving others I’m not supporting any political party, and For your own information stupid pipo are those who use abusive language which i’m not part of.
Morning, distinguished members of this August House. Lets keep the discourse clean.
Otherwise UmuGazebo and the family are all fine.
God bless Zambia.
Mwebantu, these car loans ni issue yakudala befor Levy ayenda. Chiefs were getting their cars in butches and it has continued. Its not an issue for these elections. Here in Luapula I assure you whether car loans for Chiefs or not HH azabadabwisa.
#58. I am sorry for the abusive language, only that sometimes it pains to see how things are going in our country. My family is still in zambia and I go there most often and will be going in November this year. But what I support is what RB is doing by buying votes at the expense of other important things like opening UNZA, etc. Please people lets vote MMD out.
#Iwe 60. can u shut up please. We don’t care whether it started a long time or not but why restart it this time? Why didn’t they restart it after oct. 30? The fact is (which u #60 knows) that the MMD is buying people. Why give sugar and mealie meal this time? Where were they when people cried for food in gwembe valley. I can assure you these handouts will not continue after 30 Oct. So lets vote wisely people.
This culture of handouts during elections should stop. Certain people are stupid enough (the literacy level is dropping) and will vote on that basis thinking there will forever be monthly handouts. Let them campaign on economic issues and teach the people to fish. This is a very vivid example of tribalism. Now you know who the tribalists are. The distribution of food had to be in the east. How about other poor in the west or north-west? Why should the whole nation feed this small community in the east? How special is it?
Talking about cheap politics – is Satana still claiming he is going to build however number of houses in 90 days whilst promising people that they will never have to pay tax?
we know that Lusaka Times is a blog run from red brick with full funding from Cuba and the post
weather chiefs get vehicles or not we are voting wisely this time around we wont be fooled by thei distributing of stupid nothings
VIVA hh he is the only man of the moment. No normal person can vote for Satan or RB without being bribed with money, position, or on tribal grounds but hh can be voted due to good programmes and love. He is not corrupt like RB who intimidated all the volters during MMD NEC. All those suppoting him just fear for their jobs. Abash old MONISTERS AND BABOONS. viva hhhhhhhhhhhhh.VIVA progress and modern politics
#65 What’s your point chiimbwi wakantu iwe!!
No 67. Do you have evidence of RB intimidating people at the NEC? Did he also single handedly intimidate all those provincial MMD bodies that endorsed his candidature?
Ladies and Gentlmen I think its an insult to te Chiefs why should they give them “Car Loans”, why not just buy the Chiefs Vehicles, they are Rulers and they own the land. The point is that the Govt is not per se interested in the Chiefs they are trying to buy them cheap politics. Its a known fact that Chiefs are getting a raw deal on the land being turned into mines in NW, If it was West Africa where Cheifs call the shots this would not be happening. Imagine one Silvia Masebo wanted to disolve a chiefdom, people wake up lets not be blinded by sweats the Govt owes much more than giving loans, they should do more for the chiefs come up with a blue print to honour our chiefs not campaign handou
So did any campaigning take place at the Kulamba ceremony at Mkaika in Katete?
kanshi amalilo ni zi kuma chiefs. so a pajero on its tour palace. viva chiefs viva. my only worry is that you have forgotten your roles as chiefs. this is why you are used in cheap politics. (BUT pajero is not cheap ehh!!!.
in my opinion ifya mfumu kufumyako fye because they are just a waste of resources.
He did intimidate them either single handedly or by the use of hooligans , monisters and jackals of the like of VJ, Tembo, Chitala, TETA and all other characters who forgot their brains when making such an important and progressive dicision. The man was not just an outsider but has no programme apart from UNIP stupid corrupt elemmnts of surviving. At 72 what do you expet from the man because political leadership is different from religious leadership where you can vote for an old character to be admistering Mass every sunday as is the case with the Catholics. VIVA HHHH. Abash old characters. VIVA progress.
Zed politics is too dirty. Do you think this stupid Membe is raping the zambian media. Why should he be running Sata’s blow job.Remember how he managed to unearth FTJ’s birth certificate from Congo! His hatred of RB going beyond human understanding….evil man teaming up with Satana. Membe has been paid…is this not corruption!!!!
He wont achieve anything.
Luckily the whole “state machinery” is working for RB!!!!
This rubish talk of RB being UNIP is a non-stater. Sata himself has metarmorphised from UNIP to MMD to PF. Uselss talk
well it’s a pretty opportune time to be passing round “car loans” to chiefs considering we’ll be having elections in a few weeks’ time…thanks for insulting our intelligence….
RB’s wife is too young we should impeach him once president.She will cause him to spend too much and the country will be like zimbabwe.She was spending too much because she is still young and has no heart for others.So we should raise the concerns of the first lady to be so strongly.
its stupid for RB to be giving donations now.maybe this is what he calls issue based campaigning. whatever its sata for president. i promise u RB azachiona. pa bwato
Why sugar now? why pajeros now? You corrupt characters. SATA for President
SATA for President
Ma rubish aya bane! Cheap politics! Ba Pande keep all this trash to yourselves….
76. thats the most useless comment i have ever read on this site. if you are married to an old victorian era lady thats your own fault. leave those who are married to hot nubiles to enjoy their marriage. whats wrong with marrying a young lady. dont you know that people marry for different reasons. if you ever thought RB was lining up for your grandmother then you are in dreamland. stop posting silly comments we chiwa we. you can do better by reading dirt magazines and not feeling jealous of your friends.
#81 you are the most foolish person on the face of the earth!No wonder you are a conman
Last week I heard RB say that campaigns should be issue based. Over the weekend I read in the papers and RB is telling his people from home that they should vote for him because he’s their own. He actually further went on to say that if the others come, they should be told to go where they come from. Its sad that the man could go tribal at this moment. I had a few reservations for him but now I have completely ruled him out of my vote race.
I like the banter between Conman and zambian-in shang’ombo!
But seriously, it is not right for government to start doing this now. Why don`t we change the constitution and ban all this idea of “donations” when it is election time?
Since Chiefs are custodians of traditional law including intellectual property rights (traditional knowledge) to some extent, they should be entitled to free trasport (my opinion).
The car loans do not make sense this time, why not give UNZA the needed K20bn.The mining taxes amount to K25bn/month.Honestly cant we sacrifice a months taxes and give UNZA?
Secondly can somebody tell me which religion RB belongs to?Is it true that he is a Bhudah?we know Sata is a christian.
#85 They are entitled yes, but since when did they become chiefs and why didn’t they have vehicles all this time – why now and not after 30 Oct?? These are the questions u should ask yourself.
I don’t see anything wrong with the Govenment, giving car Loans to the Traditional Leaders. If anything, this program has been there before even mwanawasa’s death. I therefore recommend the Government for this important act.
Therfore, poeple shouldn’t think that this ideas has come in today, simply because of the Elections.
Just compeighn nicely, stop finger pointing.The Government should actually, even look into rehabilitating Chief’s Palaces, they in very bad conditions. Plz let us respect our traditional Leaders, they are the custodians of the Landa.
Where is VJ? He is known to manupilate votes even in the midst of observers. MMD has won elections with VJ’s input, hell knows how he does it. Sata, use your intelligence machinery and network to thwart VJ’S strategies. SATA for President! Sata shall rule for 3 years with HH as his Vice President. By 2011 HH will have matured, the tribal tag would have been removed from his bone marrow and shall then be elected president in 2011. Marriage of convinience is hereby supported. Viva Sata! Viva HH!
MMD should kiss the dogs ass.
#88. I tell you zambia is where it is because of pipo like u who can’t even read between the lines. I even doubt what u are doing wherever u are (maybe sweeping streets, or toilets). A normal person can see clearly what is going on.
Yes, iti izi buraibarri!!!
#86/87 you may be right. Giving loans is ok but the timing might be wrong. Maybe this should wait until after the elections and also after UNZA’s financial problems are solved.
#91 Ubuntungwa mu Zambia. Couldn`t have put it better myself. This Ntambu is a chifi`s daughter. How about having a car for the first time?
Africa has got a problem and it is deep rooted. When it is working for you, all is well. Unless we move from this, Africa will always be Africa. I mean, it is ludicrous that a person outside Zambia can not see it is absurd for government to be giving out “handouts” when it is election time. Unless one is within Africa (no disrespect to those in diaspora but within Africa). Why should one give away their country for a packet of sugar, a chitenge material, salt and silly stuff like that? It works though in Africa. How sad!
It does not need someone with super intelligence to see what lies hidden behind Hon. Minister Pande’s statement. If the country has vast resources to sustain such a programme to aid our chiefs with loans for their transport, then it’s a nice idea to implement. However, my problem is, why choose to do it now when MMD has been in power for the past 17 years? Elections are just around the corner; if this programme is necessary postpone it until the by-elections are over and the problems of UNZA have been resolved, only then should you entertain such superfluous ideas. The Bembas say: Teti ulishe umumpulo no munsoli pamopene! How come the govt has the money all of a sudden?!!!
kabinga pande is giving false allegations. no wonder he has not even mentioned the name of that opposition leader. that is very sad and a foolish propaganda from such a mature person. on other hand, if government going to give chiefs vehicles now, that is wrong and an acceptable. they should suspend that until elections end.
WE R GOIN TO VOTE WISELY THIS TIME AROUND NO JOKES!
Its bloody BRIBERY!!!!
HH HH HH HH HH HH HH HH HH HH HH
These r purely african politics!!! Briberryyyyyyyyyyy!!! takulinafimbi
if it is not bribery what is it called!
Sugar Daddy for president NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
And now Rupiah Banda is busy distributing Sugar and Mealie meal….This is 200% corrupt practice and not Gov’t programme….I am sure ECZ will have a good defence on this one….That’s why we need SATA now….It’s his time to govern.
NOW,MBELENGAKOFYE WAITING FOR MY RIGHT TIME(30 TH NOV)TO DO WHAT I FEEL IS RIGHT FOR ME AND MOTHER ZAMBIA.UNLESS YOU ARE BLIND TO SEE ALL THIS NONSENSE GOING AROUND WHERE ONE CHOOSES TO EAT HEAVY BF,LUNCH AND SUPPER TODAY AND STARVE TO DEATH TOMMOROW.
LT please be serious with some of your stories. Headlines like “Chinese to build a new city in NW-province” sound like you’re talking to kids. Have you formed an alliance with the Chinese to turn Zambia into a Kindergarten?
HH GOOD MATERIAL BUT WHERE DID U AMASS 23BN HOPE YOU MAKE MORE FOR ZAMBIA NOT FOR HH
RB sica banana that girl is too young for a wife I won’t vote for you because of child abuse!
The idea of giving to chiefs on a loan basis is not bad infact its very good cause chiefs need to have transport to help them instead of asking from villagers for transport, BUT the bad thing is that the governement has done it on a bad timewhen election are just around the corner. They were supposed to give vehicles to chiefs sometimes ago or either after the election, As this time most people will conclude to say they are tying to bribe the chiefs as the only way to get through to the villagers.
I wonder what this governement is all about and how things will be in the near future. God bless Zambia
interesting a city in north western we are now diversifying
THIS, ONCE AGAIN MY FELLOW YAPAS, IS ONE CLEAR TESTIMONY OF THE LAC OF COMPITENT LEADERSHIP THAT ZAMBIA CONTINUES TO SUFFER AT THE HANDS OF BOTH THE RULING MMD AND THE SPLINTER OPPOSITION THAT ENABLES THEM(MMD).
HOW CAN ONE IN HIS SANE MIND BUY WHEELS BEFORE BUYING THE CAR YOU WILL USE THEM ON? THE RURAL WHERE THE CHIEVES RESIDE HAVE NO ROADS AND YET THEY EXPECT THEM TO DRIVE THESE LUXUARY VEHICLES ON SOME FOOT PATHS. ANFOTUNATELY THIS WILL CONTINUE HAPPEN WHERE THE GOV. WILL SPEND ON TRIVIAL THINGS OT THE EXPENCE OF REAL ISSUES.
I WONDER WHAT AKA’S LITTLE BRAIN WAS THINKING WHEN HIS MAN WAS SCHIMMING THIS.
Rupia Banda and Sata are cumputer illiterates and have outdated education. How will they made decision now since they are computer iliterates? We need HHHHHH who knows computers or else we will need to take these guys to school to learn computers. They don’t even know lotus 1.2.3
However ,i lost my voter’s card for me to vote
Its sad for us to start talking about this issue now when it started b4 LPM passed on, infact sata he even said when he comes into power he make them as graties not loan, so who is will worst money. Lets just stop recyling politian, lets wake up young and if you look at these old politians what can we copy from them.
with 18years in power, what can the Movement for Money
Dealers point at as their achievement? Wake up Zambians, if a party is winding up in Zambia it has more support from the East,look at UNIP-abash “wako ni wako” campaigns
#113 Rupiah quoted word for word “Please vote for me because I am a son of the soil” and what do we call this?…. I am tonga!
I think Zambians, lets think hard and vote for a person who will carry Zambia forward, let them give all they want, but when you go to vote please think of the times when they dont give all those gifts, when there are no elections. I think HH has more brains than most of these guys. If i had an opportunity to vote i would go for HH. Ba Sata is perfect but not as a president of the country, he is a better worker when he reports to someone.
Okey guys, we will vote HH and stop putting old men. They should go home and become headmen or chiefs.
zambia a land of cheap politics . rb to reduce fuel- it is too expensive, he has given sugar and meali meal to easterners, now chiefs get car loans how convinient!! ALTHOUGH THE CAR LOAN ISSUE STARTED A LONG TIME AGO. IT IS THE TIMING WHICH IS WRONG. Do chiefs have the capacity to pay…. just wondering . this our zambia is going backwards in long strides indeed.
WABOOLA MWANAA MUTONGA HH
Give chiefs car loans so they can ‘enjoy their subjects'( quote from chief Mpezeni)!!!!
Number 35
Are you out of your mind? Where do you think chiefs will get money for paying for their car loans? Sata’s approach of turning the loans into grants makes more sense. Many people with reasonable incomes can’t afford brand new pajeros but settle for old used vehicles from Japan. Moreover those vehicles need to be serviced and maintained in other ways.
Guys, where is Godfrey Miyanda?
It goes to show how long some of you have been away from zambia for because the program of giving chiefs loans for cars did not start now it has alwas been there it only comes out during campaings. If you where in power you would like to remind everyone concerned about what you have done for them. Are you telling me that if they go to chingola and say we brought you investment in form of mines that would be corruption. i think its saying the obvious
Dan Kalale of ECZ has made it clear that donations during campaigns is electrol malpractice, refering to RB’s giving out sugar and mealie meal in Katete. These loans are also electrola malpractice!
Amano ububi
thats briberry.why only this period of elections.they want stupid chiefs to mobilise their people to vote for crooked leaders.
#12….believe me I understand your frustration. Very depressing and disappointing indeed!
#121 HAVE YOU MISSED THE GENERAL LIKE ME? I SAW HIM AT LPM`S FUNERAL.
please zaf officers dont be used this time around to rig the electionlike u done in the past two election you be non partsan please twapapata
Anybody would do anything to win an election,,,it’s called woowing voters.Let the chiefs enjoy their Pajeros,if you want one,become a chief too.Elections are like trying to have sex with a woman, you treat her extremely well before you get some,got the point?
Hey Electral commission of Zambia, why not come up with a system to allow Zambians outside the country to cast our votes so that we also have a say in the direction of the country, i would like to see how RB would distribute SUGAR N MEALIE MEAL…cheap politics. See how the American campaign is being conducted, the pipo ask question so that we know your plans, not running away from the questions. Have debates on real issues affecting a common Zambian without basic needs, like education, medical housing etc, not sugar….STUPID POLITICIANS. Vote for HH, mind u im a Bemba from Luwingu dont get my support wrong. Go HH!
#14 #23 i think ur wright’ wat are they talkin about? Pure hatred!! Mazedians
ahhhhh…….so thats how it works! Thanks for the tip!
Just what does the village at large benefit from their chief owning a pajero. Please Zambian leaders do meaningful contributions that will in turn yield positive and long term developments.
Chiefs require vehicles that can easily be serviced –
Sata on 93.20FM
Someone please answer No.121. I was going to ask same qustion.Has he laid wreaths at embassy park?
Only one tribe or two rules at a time( I mean those that are from inter marriages will have two tribes in power) So stop thinking that you will have 73 presidents in 5 yrs. Time will come for your tribes maybe please vote zambians not tribes. Tonga, lozi ,lamba or whatever, they are still zambians and Gods’ sons Vote wisely and cryingly
UBUPUBA TAKWABA UMUTI!NAMASHILU BAYATWALA KUCHAINAMA.WHAT IS THE VILLAGE BENEFITING FROM THE CAR?HOW LONG DOES THE CHIEF TAKE TO PAY BACK?WHERE DOES HIS MONEY COME FROM?MAINTENANCE?WHATEVER….
#130 which village and chief?
THEY CAN USE OX CARTS
gentlemen sometimes muletontokanya as you comment,do chiefs have the capacity to pay back loans for pajeros?This is bribery and it is plundering of resources.How are these chaps going to maintain vehicles and pay back.
yangu amano yaba politician ububi!!!
Away with cheap politics of poverty. Vote HH!
Never mind the pajeros what about the Chinese suddenly shouting about their US 2 billion investment and building a new city? Bribing on RB’s behalf…
#139 May be I know you. Do you know the name I am using? Nothing political I liked the way you are objective. No tribalism.
# 12 dont even say anything. be mad with yourself for not being part of those solving the crisis in our country. you ran away from your country of birth.you young men who are suposed to solve these problems have all taken as illegal immigrants working as cleaners or night guards in the diaspora . pity yourself because one day you will all be bundled up and deported back and you will find us firmly in control here no chance for you economic refugees. stupid. ataase
145 I agree with you no tribalism. WSe should not vote for a leader who ascended to the presidency of their party on the cry, “It must be a Tonga”. Apologists say that he did not say so himself. If he did not object to such campaigns why did he not reject and renounce the surrogates who were doing so? Ethical people such as Obama denounce wrong things emanating from their camp and eject such people from their campaigns. Instead HH ejected and harrassed Ompie Nkumbula who rejected and renounced the call that it must be a Tonga.
what nonsense is this? these old dried out politicians have taken so much advantage of us! Zambia belongs to us not them, they are in the dying years of their lives so they have nothing to lose! its a good gesture to obviously give chiefs loans to buy cars, but the timing is all wrong. and this fool kabinga pande is supposed to be foreign affairs minister, what’s he doing defending this blantant electoral corruption???
Whatever MMD does should not sway our minds. Its HH this time. We have had enough of this cheap politicking, we want real issues.
Can someone please tell the Chiefs to refuse these very expensive daily consuming gifts? Let them tell the MMD Government to first sought out issues at UNZA and other learning institutions, since the products of these institutions are the future leaders. And #14, what the MMD Govt is doing is taking advantage of the vulnerable of society just to get their votes – this is wicked, no wonder they are ducking from the Post Newspaper. How else can we put it. Let’s see if the ECZ has got teeth to bite!! Remember it nearly cost Magande ka?
Ba RB has been ill advised by those crooks in MMD, bafuna acokepo. There is nothing wrong in giving, but, timing is very cardinal. All the talks about, price reduction on gas, UNZA, Sugar/corn meal, is just to try and corrupt simple minds. Guys HH is not the right person for presdo, he’s coming from a caculator, ukuteka icalo is not as easy as getting a PHD or running a factory, it involves alot. Check the history of USA, one is required to serve under in order for them to understand & appreciate others. Dont try leadership, give leadership to LEADERS. NIMUBWATO YAYA.
#151, YOU ARE VERY RIGHT MAN. I THINK THERE IS SENCE IN YOUR THOUGHT.
The sad thing is that those pajeros will not last long looking at were they will be used. I mean how do you take such vehicles to the bush were tared roads are just a dream, couldn’t they pick something more convienient and cheaper for them. So much money and all for nothing
Bushe amachifi aya yene finshi bacita? ….i do not think they serve any purpose apart from parroting the slogans of politicians……
I agree with you #152 to some extent. Even Senator Obama, who people want to liken Mr. Hichilema to has some political or governance experience. If Mr Hichilema was to win he will spend the next 3 years learning how government functions and probably discover that most of his ideas are not workable. I am however not saying that Mr Banda or Mr Sata are the right candidates as theirs is not experience but expiring. We needed other young people who have been PSs, MPs or Ministers before!
I meant #151
Where is Godfrey Miyanda?
hh for president.nothing else.young and intellegent,not two those two old men.god bless our mother zambia with a young leader.all the best hh,i will give you my vote.
it would make more sense if the government provided the equivalent value for these pajeros in form of fertilisers…remeber they had earlier refused to bail out farmers but now are ready to give car loans…this might have started a long time ago, as stated, but the fact is they are using it to their advantage by bringing it up now.
the usual MMD tactics and we all know them unfortunately the weak fall and are blinded by their corrupt practices
i think zambians suffer from critical amnesia.
Why giving gifts now? RB Please, open bribery?? and you say we continue with Levy’s legacy. Kawalala wa muntu iwe, na nsoni ulibe mudaala iwe. Mealie meal, sugar, Pajeros and what next?? You are saying the post news paper is always against you. Its telling the truth. Corruption in MMD will never come to an end, its unfortunate god called levy before finishing his mission leaving these thugs to ransack the entire country. We are sick and fed up.
Gentlemen RB Sugar Dad this is a message for him qouted in black and white of the pages of the electoral act.
THE ELECTORAL ACT
Corrupt and illegal practices and election offences
81. Any person who corruptly by oneself or by any person either
before, during or after an election, directly or indirectly, gives or
provides or pays, wholly or in part, the expenses of, any food, drink,
entertainment, lodging or provisions to, or for, any person for the
purpose of corruptly influencing that person or any other person to
give or refrain from giving that person’s vote at an election shall be
guilty of the offence of treating.
Now I understand why Pande was mourning for LPM even before his ‘death’was announced. He really needs a job, silly fool!
Chiefs in pajeros! What else if not plain bribery.What can these chiefs bring apart from annual traditional ceremonies where they drink blood and watch bare breasted teens.
#139 (Nsaja)
I am a Bemba, from Luwingu District, Village Chifumbule, Chief Shimumbi..i hope u now dont doubt that i am a bemba and i still support HH, for me its about Zambia not the tribe. Tribalism leads to ethinic fightings which as a ZAMBIAN, though living abroad would not encourage. ONE ZAMBIA, ONE NATION, DR Kaunda knew why he encouraged this. Lets vote for a person on merit not tribe. For me HH has more advantages than disadvantages. Sata has a hidden DICTATORIAL SIDE in him. He unleashed his thugs on innocent pipo during the KAFUPI 3rd term. He hated Mwanawasa eventhough he knew Mwanawasa put the pipo of Zambia s interests first, so what kind of a person is he? Tell me PF.
Luna kifa mukolo fela. Am in Mongu and here people are really for Sata. We re tired with this mmd govt. Lukatezi
Infumu bashibosha. palikashimi kapela, remember votes r in the village. I think bakamushi tukabalesha uku vota.
165 consider this, There is no other leader who ascended to the presidency of their party on the cry, “It must be a Tonga”. Apologists say that he did not say so himself. If he did not object to such campaigns why did he not reject and renounce the surrogates who were doing so? Ethical people such as Obama denounce wrong things emanating from their camp and eject such people from their campaigns. Instead HH ejected and harrassed Ompie Nkumbula who rejected and renounced the call that it must be a Tonga.
IF DISTRIBUTING FREE SUGAR , MUGAIWA AND SOFT LOANS FOR THE CHIEFS IS NOT BRIBERY, THEN WHAT IS?
giving chiefs loans is not a problem!but giving them during a by-election is what kabinga pande sholud answer.
Cheap politics,Zambia will never develop because we have crooks and liars for so-called leaders.
People stop attacking the GRZ.They are still in power and this is one of the programes they had to give out car loans to chiefs.The by elections is only meant to find a presido, period.No matter how much you say about corruption etc, they cannot stop as this was one of there programes too.
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