THE National Constitutional Conference legislative committee has proposed to increase seats for members of Parliament from 150 to 250.
The proposals were made during the committee’s sitting at Mulungushi International Conference Centre in Lusaka.
MMD Chief Whip Vernon Mwaanga submitted to committee chairperson Mutale Nalumango that 200 should be elected MPs, 40 from interest groups and 10 should be nominated.
“When making this Constitution, we should be futuristic. Ten years from now Zambia’s population will not be the same, so, we should look at increasing the number of seats for MPs,” Mr Mwaanga said
He said having such a number of legislators would help to represent people adequately.
Supporting the submission, Malole Independent MP Emmanuel Munaile said some Constituencies were too vast and that increasing the number of Parliamentary seats would benefit Zambians.
“Some of our Constituencies are too vast to be covered by one MP. So, the proposed 250 seats is a welcome move,” Mr Munaile said.
Several committee members supported the proposal except four committee members who argued that increasing the number of seats would be costly.
Former UPND Luena MP Chrispine Sibetta argued that having 250 MPs would be a drain on the country’s resources and that Parliament chambers had no capacity to accommodate such a number.
After committee members failed to reach a consensus, Ms Nalumango subjected the proposal to a vote following which 31 committee members voted for the number of seats to be increased with four members voting against.
Under the current Constitution, the President has powers to nominate 8 MPs.
Zambia Daily Mail
Futuristic vision
Demographically we are growing and time come with challenge for leader-follower relationship.Perfect visionally proposition.
Dies ist Wahnsinn!
We cannot afford an additional 100 seats.
This should only be done if we can afford it which we cannot.
We must not live beyond our means.
NCC,
Be serious what is that addition for?
that is good some constituencies are just to big and no development is going on. take for example Sinazongwe. Muyanda that MP is doing nothing. The coal mine is Down people are suffering.
Kalabo no development that MP mwapela is doing nothing the road issue is quiet. the diamonds and oil in kalabo is quiet. talk of shangombo. the issue of minerals there is quiet. only Vera Chiluba and FTJ tried to develop the place and even oil is there i hear from people from these places.
This VJ still has an ‘earing’ problem ?
What!!! thats madness at its best! Instead of reducing, someone is thinking of increasing???? What a useless thought!!
Good move Coz I also need to stand in the Year 2011!
Matworld
Hi my brother! I cant believe what this man is saying..
Good idea, we need more repesentatives. the cost aint a thing.
Hey Guys,
Look at the way Maxwell is looking at VJ.
4. Free-Market-Capitlst,
Time and change are relative you gatta be futuristic.We are growing and leadership-follower relationship is more effective where representation is almost personal.Extra large constituencies have robbed people of ability to evaluate their leaders.Be optimistic.
4,Free-Market-Capitlst,
Uli shani boyi. Its quite a while since we last discussed issues on LT. Naka flag mwali chinja, yashani?
Coming to the topic at hand. Priority should be given to the quality of our MPs rather than quantity. Criteria of enhancing the quality of representaion should be developed. What should be the minimum requirements of a person aspiring to be an MP? We need to minimise MPs who go to parliament to just doze
Me notice seh de chief whip have a hole in de head. Looks like he’s walking dead…8-x
150 seats are adequate. Look at vast constituencies like Mufumbwe but the population is sparse. There is absolutely no need. That money can be channeled to other areas of need such as education and health. Is this the “thinking” that failed lawyer and politician is talking about when she says the allowances are inadequate? Boo.
#13. Biggie Jim
How are you. The flag, kaili I moved from Alberta Canada to Washington state in the USA.
It has really been long. Unfortunately I have to go. I have to sleep.
#12. Sage
I think in terms of MP’s, we must set a standard of what we are looking for instead of just increasing the numbers. It is an issue of quality/quantity. I don’t think increasing the number of MP’s will solve the problem. I think it will escalate the problem due to budget constraints.
I am off.
#12 You said “We are growing”. What do you mean, is the population of Zambia growing or is the number of non Zambians(mainly refugess from Angola and Congo) living in Zambia growing? I don’t think we need more MPs when the ones we have are not doing anything. All we need is high quality MPs with the current 150. VJ and others are proposing ideas that the will most likely not live under. This is a decision for young and future generations.
Baby C
How are you my beautiful sister?
bafuna cabe kupasa banzao ncito. it will be just a waste of funds.
#11 Toko did you ever get to read a James Hadley Chase novel entitled “Like A Hole In The Head”? Mwale is reminiscing on it as he look at the “hole” in VJ’s head, LOL
#21 No, he is looking at ‘signs and syptoms’. The man is all-patched up like an Egyptian mummy 8-x
How come ba VJ now says more MPs will be representative of the people when he has served in all the administrations from KK, FTJ,LPM and now RB. Why didn’t he come up with these ideas all the years he has served in govt? Such people need to retire for good so that they give chance to the young generation. The NCC is now an experiment and it should be abolished. If the govt pulled out from hosting the 2011 All Africa games in the name of saving money, the NCC should face the same outcome. It is in the best interest of the nation that we use the limited resources to needy areas like health, education, infrastructure development and the economy.**==
#11. Cost is certainly a factor we need to consider. MP allowances and gratuities are already a serious burden to the treasury that pays them first will hundreds die without benefits. That is not being representative in any way. Some constituencies are large because they are inaccessible and what not. Such matters can only be determined by a referendum and not by NCC.
what determines the number of MPs? is it the number of pipo or the vastness? if we are to compare the population of matero in Lsk it can be the same as for half of western province; meaning we’ll end up with only 2 MPs in western province. if it the vastiness then Lsk should have only 1 MP! 150 MPs are more than enough. why is vj trying to take advantage of zambians. these thots are really from a selfish motive
not sure increasing MP number is a good idea. Develop the nation first. those already holding offices should just be more efficient & perform their jobs nicely
these are the same chaps who said introducing 50+1 clause will be costly now it seems theres money for 100 more pew warmers for parliament [-x I don’t even see what those 150 mps have ever achieved. Lets improve quality not quantity.Zambia seems to have so much money for useless ventures.I hope NCC puts a clause in the constitution that no govt leader will be flown out of the country for treatment prior to improving the health care services in the country!~X(~X(~X(
Job creation at its best?:-?
somebody shoot vj for me! the next move will be to ve 4 deputy ministers in all ministries.
More allowances! Enough money in the budget!
hey, the money is being missused already, it wont make that difference to the treasury..
it will create 100 more jobs, hahaaa :d
i think Zambia could do better with a bicameral legislaure, it works very well in other countries.
At times you question as to whether you are in Zambia and the people suggesting what they suggest are really Zambians. Mutale nalumango and VJ are wasted and beyond any use elders of this state. Zambia has problems like Cholera, stifled funding of the education. Our hospitals and clinics are in tatters to say the least and all these people can think of is increasing the numbers of MPs. They want each and every riff ruff in the name of cadres to make it to parliament at the expense of national development. Already the gratuity of MPs when parliament comes to its end of term is beyond the budget of this nation or a complete drain and yet to these NCC delegates, the economy is still sound.
GaZZie say;
Matworld, Baby C et al, how are you? Ba Maureen how do you say “ilove you” in Germa Germa.
Continued from 33
I now want to challenge all those who have been arguing in favour of the NCC if this is what we made as submission to the Constitutional Review Commission or an elite group is putting into the constitution that which they know may benefit them at some point in future. From 150 MPs and not all of them from govt, the president is at pains to appoint as many cadres as he can all to have a legion of followers and still people are thinking of increasing the number of MPs. The question will now be how many ministers in order for the president to please his cadres are we going to have. Is the national budget capable of sustaining the same, in the face of global economic chaos.
Bali tulowa pa Zed. Elo uwatolowa alifwa nokufwa
8-x, first of all, Chief Whip looks like a patient in need of serious bed rest?! Secondly, I can’t believe these morons want to increase bureaucratic structures when the existing ones are bloated & inefficient! Afterall, it’s not like MPs use personal funds to develop their constituencies! 150 chaps dozing off in Parley is wasteful as it is, we DO NOT need any more job seekers at Manda Hill…
If all the MPs will be willing to live on teachers’ salaries then the call is welcome, after all to be in government your first aim is to serve the people.
I would agree to the proposal provided that the 250 MPs all earn from the current parliamentary allocation. Basic ecomomics concept is that the more you employ the less you pay. Anyone with better knowledge on MPL, supply & demand of labour to enlighten me pppllleeaasssee 8->
I believe if there is an interest group that should be represented it is we the Diaspora. The elected representatives are always a picture of their electorate. So since we all believe we know it all lets be measured by our representation in Parliament. Funds for this? Embassies voter fees. $200 each to vote from abroad for a person who stands for the Diaspora constituencies. “Yes we can”
So 10 years from now we may have a population that may require 250 MPs. But the question is what has this got to do with a national constitution? Absolutely nada! we already have a constituency Delimitation commission/committee that decides on the number of constituences after every decade when the national census is taken. Mwaanga has been in every govt but his civics knowledge is still largely mediocre. A bunch of functional illiterates these morons!
#40, Ozzie mate, take a chill pill & provide practical solutions instead of more drama! $200 to vote for a diaspora representative?! I say impractical, and a complete waste of time & resources. Mind you, ‘Zedian diaspora’ is so vast from US/China/Europe/Middle East! Go back to sippin’ Fosters bruv or whatever it is you smoke down under…
We need to specify that only current and bonafide residents of the constituencies should stand in those particular constituencies.The current system we have is a sham. The MPs represent constituencies in which they dont reside. They mostly visit constituencies only when it is time for electioneering. Only local people can best represent themselves not the ‘transplants’ from ‘town’.
Iwe LT where is my posting?
Matuvi yabantu aya,:(( what do you need all those MPs for? Talk sense–like 50+1% we need most…bakonse iwee
Is this implying that having 150 clueless greedy politicians, who doze half their time in the house, is not enough? If anything we should be seeking ways of reducing the current representation and finding ways of implementing a results-based culture where politicians are accountable for their performamnce, or lack thereof…what a joke. And this is from a group earning K500,000 per day in allowances? No wonder Zambia is a christian, you have to dupe the masses to get away with such crap
#34 I liebt Sie. Why, are you love my brother ?
UMUGAZEBO and FAMILY
Mu zuhile cwani mudala wandi? long time where wenze you? I really missed you like a cup of tea full of milk :-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j:-j.Wayumfwa Grade seven english iyo Mudala wandi.Big man you really mean a lot to me.Enough respect for you.^:)^^:)^^:)^^:)^^:)^
Shame on our leaders! what have MPs to do with development honestry? Looking at the Zambian set up, MPs dont even represent anyone. Which MP has ever gone to consult the electorate on a hot issue in parliament. Dont the dudes just decide on their own. Most Zambians cried againt Govt leaders salaries….did the MPs heed?
For all I care, even one MP per province would be enough. Take all the money that is being wasted on these MPs and build infrastructure to better peoples lives and create jobs. Most of these danda head MPs despear after being voted only to show up near elections.
Can someone tell me what value these MPs add to Zambia’s wellfare. Three quarters of them just doze in Parliament while proceedings are going on. Instead of taking money to development projects, people are talking of increasing the number of dozzers…whats wrong with zed?
What I expected is a proposal that makes the president select cabnet ministers outside parliament so that there is real separation of power between the executive and legistrature!!!!! 250 MPs my foot! close that whole parliament all together and convert the building into a conference center. The money that govt has obtained to build conference facilities should be used to extend provincial hospitals.
The 150 MPs just :-@:-@:-@ and you want to add some more? Even cabinet just 10 ministers is enough! when are we going to be more practical than just talking and talking and talking….. I feel for Zambia, the sooner this crop of leaders dispears from the scene the better!!!!! If we have MPs to represent people, what the heck is NCC doing? giving us 100 more dozzers in parliament? on this one I agree with Sata!
Engines
Sorry to bother you Dear.Are you Bbuloko or you are anaza?
THE OPPOSING MEMBERS SHULD KNOW THAT IT IS COST EFFECTIVE TO HAVE MORE REPRESENTATION BUT IN CLOSE VESINITY HENCE WELL DIRECTED PROJECTS TO MORE ZAMBIANS SOME CONSTITUENTS STRETCH OVER 100KM BY 60 KM HOW WILL THE MP AND PROJECTS COVER THAT? THATS WHY YOU HEAR PEOPLE SAYING WE DONT SEE THE MP ONLY IN ELECTION DAYS. DE REALISTIC
Insane in the brain ba Mwanga :-w
Does the country really need a bigger Central Government?
How about beefing up local government instead? The central government is bloated enough as it is (66 cabinet ministers, 29 ministries, and now 250 MPs instead of 150).
You would think Zambia has too much money, instead of too little.
Don’t just propose aditional MPs. Be serious. 150 is enough. What do they do? Most of them are very lazy and have never done anything at all. And at what cost? When will cash reach the vulnerable in rural communities whose bridges where swept away years in memorial, their roads undone and the villages have gone backwards with villagers flocking to stay in Lusaka. Give the money you want to spend on additional MPs to the development interests in rural areas. Think long term and see the ‘cost the would be’ of adding more MPs. The current NCC members are just after money, theirs is not anymore sensible than Mungomba’s.
54. Matworld-Nice guy!, sorry my friend, yes all the “Engines” posts above are from me, forgot the sir name yaba! I have fixed it now.
#59, i think we are on the same page, thats the point I was making at posts 49-53. What impact have these MPs had on development. In Management, if you are increasing an input parameter, it should be one that positively has a big impact on output. That we needed some NCC to debate a constitunal proposal shows that our parliament is redundant….having 150 talkers is bad enough….now 250? 40 from interest groups, what interest gropus???
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time.- Albert Einstein
We don’t NEED any more MP’s for goodness sake
Engine Bbuloko
Thank you so much,I know your languege.You write like a philosopher. :-j:-j:-j:-j:-j.Iam serious you are one of my fevourites on this site.
I think its’a wrong idea.VJ is old and he can’t think well according to his propasal.why on earth countries increase the number of seats just because the population in increasing?look at america same member of seats.It doen’t matter.Tht’s wasting money.
I know what he wants to do.He wants to increase so that he can have a large base of stealing elections.we know his tactics.
If there were development we would have allowed it but seeing that nothing which happening in da counrty we gonna keep same number of seats.
#62 Matworld, am humbled by your comments…thanx a lot. I wish our leaders could get it….we need a better Zambia for our Children. If Zambia is bad for us, please, may it never be worse for our kids.
Bye for now….I gat sign out…enjoy your weekend
More gratuity for useless people. I am sorry but the sensible thing should have been to cut.
Zambia has a population of only 12 m. It has always been for the last few years if not less barring deaths from HIV/AIDS.
This is madness at it`s worst. 😮
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“MMD Chief Whip Vernon Mwaanga submitted to committee chairperson Mutale Nalumango that 200 should be elected MPs, 40 from interest groups and 10 should be nominated.”
I am against this move of 250 MPs in our Parliament as the for UPND MP Chrispine Sibetta has mentioned.What interest groups are these being talked about to provide 40 MPs?May be 200 Mps would be better for the sake of arguements, but we do not yet have resources to pay such a number of MPs as 200 or 250!
Mr Munaile,if you cant manage to look after your constituency consider resigning as it is a sign of your failure.There are always people who can take it up from you and even do a better job.2 jobs, one from FAZ is too much.
On “After committee members failed to reach a consensus, Ms Nalumango subjected the proposal to a vote following which 31 committee members voted for the number of seats to be increased with four members voting against”, I am greatly disappointed by this voting.
I hope Parliament will not let it through when MPs will have thought carefully on these thing NCC wants to do.
We have too many things to build and rebuild to normal or acceptable levels e.g. universities as Zimbabwe an ailing Country econmically has many univerisites than Zambia which is even bigger in size.
russia -moscow, younger man!
I have good data for you regarding your postings in the ww w. lusakatimes. com/ ?p =7409 thread where you seem to have had some time writing useless stuff on me when I was busy with the ADVANCED ROVER competions of which by God’s grace my team become number two so I went home with a yet another prize.
Please, find my responses to your comments and post your reply to [email protected] if you need further clarifications.
94. russia -moscow, you wrote “I think mastro lacks something.People who have been to universities see that education is there just to support us.I’m still at university and see sata as a person with a virsion.How many people who have doctorates have been presidents in da world? How many educated people do we have in zed?”
Check your English and mine and see whether your Russian univeristy can compare to UNZA where I did my undergraduate.
Also, check the news on ww w. lusakatimes. com/ ?p = 7346 as I will use it below to quote things for you, younger man.
94. russia -moscow, what vision not “virsion” probably do you see Undereducate MC Sata having? IS it the vision of macheting fellow Zambians with pangas and other stuff using PF thugs this time following his MMD thugs display in Chawama?
On how many educated people do we have in Zed, please with the Ministry of Education as to how many people have been up to Standard 10 or Grade 12 through passing the examinations under the Examination Council of Zambia. Also, check with the British Council in Lusaka on how many have sat for the London/Cambridge School Certificate exams and passed it in Zambia.
You will have an idea of how many educated Zedians are there at the moment.
94. russia -moscow, you also wrote “what are they achieved in zed?They can’t even see tht 50+1 will be good for zed.Only sata among politicians sees tht.I’ve never heard HH talking about 50+1.Tell me what he can offer if he can’t see 50+1 is good 4 a country?Mastro u’re stubborn for no reason.”
How many people have educated leacturers at UNZA and other tertiary institutions also Secondary and primary School taught life skills? Isnt producing educated Zambians who are working in almost all countries especially paying tax to GRZ to sponsor you, russia-moscow, to learn in Russia an achievement?What is happening to your brain younger man? Is it working properly? Convince me its proper working!
94. russia -moscow, you also wrote “They can’t even see tht 50+1 will be good for zed.Only sata among politicians sees tht.I’ve never heard HH talking about 50+1.Tell me what he can offer if he can’t see 50+1 is good 4 a country?Mastro u’re stubborn for no reason.”
Please, quote for me that alleged position your have accused Undereducate Sata of by his actual works and providing the link to it soonest!
On your ill-informed rant on president HH, I will show you that you read news in a disillusioned way deliberately to miss HH’s well meaning points below.
94. russia -moscow, you also wrote “I’ve never heard HH talking about 50+1.Tell me what he can offer if he can’t see 50+1 is good 4 a country?Mastro u’re stubborn for no reason.”
““For the opposition political party to win an election in Africa is not easy. Africa needs to congratulate Ghana. Ghanaian elections have proved that even in Zambia the 50 plus one per cent threshold is a necessity as it is the only way to rescue the country from having another mediocre and unpopular republican president in 2011,” Hichilema said.”
Source: maravi. blogspot. com/ 2009/ 01/ zambias- opposition- leader- calls- for- 50. ht ml
Get to the link above and then comment on your new education from me!
125 continued.
94. russia -moscow, even the UPND as a TEAM and not only president Hakainde Hichilema have advised that 50+1% must be include in the new Constitution on:
“Meanwhile United Party for National Development vice president Richard Kapita has urged NCC members to support the inclusion of the fifty plus one percent.
Mr. Kapita said Zambia can only have a majority President using the fifty plus one percent.”
Source: ww w.lusakatimes. com/ ?p = 7346
Did you need spectacles to read this news you seem never to have seen or you misread it because of your illusions regarding Sata whom you claim has a vi(r)sion, russia-moscow?
#94. russia -moscow, on “Maestro Hhe,i don’t know why u can’t see tht HH doesn’t know anything even if u call him educated.Educated people have already seen tht Sata is only person who cares about zed among our politicians.He knows what’s needed for the country. He’s not educated but i like him because he knows more than the educated HH.why going to school if u know everything?Better you make school 4 people who don’t know.Sata knows almost everything.Schools are there to educate people who don’t know and just 4 a stutas,” I have just realised that I have been trying to teach/educate a thick headed character who has chose to overlook TRUTH right before his eyes due to self-deception.
#94. russia -moscow, on “Maestro Hhe,i don’t know why u can’t see tht HH doesn’t know anything even if u call him educated”, is it me who calls president HH educated or it is the testimony that his obtaining Merit in a BSc Economics programme at UNZA that shows HH is EDUCATED?
Younger man, what are you doing in Russia for you are a true disgrace to educated Zambians throughout this Earth?
You couldn’t answer a simple JAVA programming question which ‘Abena Copperbelt’, your fellow 7th Day Adventist (SDA) asked you last year since you claim to be “we’re all adventists” in # 100 above and you claim I cant see.
# 100 russia-moscow, which SDA Church are you a member of? Are you a baptised SDA member or a Sabbath School SDA member with these our SDA two categories? If you are a baptised SDA Church member, do you attend Main Service only as a PASSIVE SDA baptised member or you are an ACTIVE SDA baptised member who attends almost all or all church programmes from morning about 8:30 to 17:30 hours on Sabbaths learning truths and useful life stuff to equip you with Bible Knowledge that will help you stand against the Mark of the Beast enforcers?
Your behaviour leaves much to be desired younger man!
#94. russia -moscow, on “Educated people have already seen tht Sata is only person who cares about zed among our politicians.He knows what’s needed for the country. He’s not educated but i like him because he knows more than the educated HH.why going to school if u know everything?Better you make school 4 people who don’t know.Sata knows almost everything.Schools are there to educate people who don’t know and just 4 a stutas”, can you give me which educated people speciafically have already seen that Sata is the only person who cares about zed among our politicians as I am not part of them educated people please?
#94 russia -moscow, what does Sata know that is needed for the country that he did not do as Minister of Portfolio (3rd former President Chiluba in running then Chiluba Administration MMD GRZ)? On ‘He’s not educated but i like him because he knows more than the educated HH’ opinion, I will take it you deserve right to it. This opinion of yours is clearly out of emotions as you yourself puts it that you LIKE Sata. On “why going to school if u know everything?Better you make school 4 people who don’t know.Sata knows almost everything”, whay everything does Undereducate MC Sata know? He doesnt even construct English well like you russia-moscow!Please ask Sata to help you with that JAVA problem.
#94 russia -moscow, on “Schools are there to educate people who don’t know and just 4 a stutas”, is this why you are in Russia studying? If this is the case then you are wasting tax payers money younger man and you deserve to have your sponsorship withdrawn forcing you to re-pay back the money GRZ has been wasting on you. I will leave it at this as I would not want to educate a time and country money waster like you for nothing but to have STATUS, not stutas if that is what you were meaning in your terrible writing.
100. russia -moscow, in your “‘Mastro!!we’re all adventists and our church don’t support such writings of conderming the un educated.I don’t know how u contribute on sabath school coz u like ideas. U’re the people who bring politics in church just because HH is an SDA… Mr mastro, bring new ideas on this blog.we are tired of yo Ctrl c and Ctrl v.Happy sabbath! Go and study Spiritual Gifts and Prophecy.it’s tomorrow’s lesson!”, young man I strive to study the Study Guide everyday instead of doing a quick unsatisfactory rushed reading on friday. Do you know whay there is a study for each day of the week? It is not tomorrow’s lesson but a day to day lesson for the whole week.
100. russia -moscow, where did I condemn the “un educated”, please quote and provide a link? In opposite to you thinking, I have lovengly been calling for the Undereducate Sata, 71 yrs, Grade equivalenvy=Standard 4 or Grade 6 school drop out, to make sure he doesnt miss out on registering for Grade 7 exams slated for this 2009 year end since the better President RB Banda Administration has been providing free education to all those who want to go to school including MC Sata.
100. russia -moscow, I go to Church on Sabbath to worship God in TRUTH AND SPIRIT participating fully normally in all discussion following “[KJV Bible] John 4:23 “But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.” There is absolutely no room for politics for me at church (see Isaiah 58:13)!
What new ideas MUST I bring on the blog? The Holy Bible I use is old. This entails that HISTORY is very important. Sata has a history of which I will continue to expose (see below). The SDA Church uses the Bible and History to expose the Roman Catholic Church and others regarding the coming trouble.
100. russia -moscow, Ezra, Daniel, Revelation, Matthew, Thessalonians and History tell it all. Only unprepared characters will find themselves in trouble when Jesus Christ shall come. russia -moscow do not just try to memorise scriptures on Friday evening for the Sabbath School classes discussions, but study them throughout the week for your advise to me shows that your behaviour is dangerous. You need to be prepared all the time, younger man.
Ephesians 5 + NIV Bible
5:8 For you were oncep darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of lightq 9 (for the fruitr of the light consists in all goodness,s righteousness and truth) 10 and find out what pleases the Lord.t 11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness,u but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the lightv becomes visible, 14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said:
“Wake up, O sleeper,
rise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you.”
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All the best russia-moscow in changing your mind for the better.
Pa Z paladabwisha.
Why increase the number of seats of parliamentarians?
And this is a proposal being backed by VJ- the advisor to FJT Chiluba.
Come on fellow Zeds, this is shear nonsense which should not be entertained. Why increase the cost of a bloated parliament when we should be thinking of reducing the numbers of MPs?
Already we have “MPs” who have been expelled by their party but are still clinging onto the parliamentary seats.
250 MPs?! Top Heavy govt. Little will be done in Constituencies while hefty allowances will be demanded of the Tax payers money. Rather equip the local government with committed and educated people. This would be a futuristic plan for Zambeziland. Not 250 talking machines in Parly; 250 perpetual holiday makers enjoying themselves at Parly Motel; with 200 idle Constituencies. Bo VJ, Mutale and NCC Committe… got it wrong. Table this again.:-? [-(
#85 Cousin Maestro
“…The SDA Church uses the Bible and History to expose the Roman Catholic Church and others regarding the coming trouble…”
What has this to do with the topic under discussion?
These old folks are a pain in the neck now. Its not necessary to have more than 150 MPs. And this is not a joke guys. As Zambians, we must unite and stop this nonsense. The current MPs are rarely seen in their own constituencies coz they prefere to be in the capital city. The current MPs must be seen to be working first. Zambians must collectively be able to see that yes they’re being stretched!! And not when we dont even know their contributions to Zed’s development. VJ you’re old, pleeeeeze stay away and leave the young ones to develop the nation. We’re tired of you,,,pleeeeze.
It hursts to see that one can ask for an increase in MPs when Zed is still wallowing in poverty, job losses, etc
We are talking of cost cutting and the global credit crunch and we hear people proposing more ways of wasting our meagre resources!!! In fact you dont even need 150MPs. Increasing the no will not improve performance it will just creat more leeches to feed on our money
Shocking, so in whose interest is the constitution making process in, we the citizens have not advocated for an increase of the MP’s, infact we have been advocating for a reduction because we have not seen any tangible performance. We need performance appraisals on all the MP’s, we want to see and know what each one has acheived and how they have represented their consituencies in a practical result driven way.Zambians should never be taken for granted we want to see results and not just speeches.
We are demanding for a Govt website with all the names of the Govt representative from the President to the least representative describing each person’s job description and campaign promise, we want to start evaluating them individually and also have a platform of asking them questions.
The 150 MP’s are all asleep in parliament. Nothing good comes out of parliament, the MP’s toe party lines so this proposal effectively means more bootlickers lackeys. No to this criminal increament. what have the MP’s done to show that they are relevant??? It will be a waste of resources, unless we say Mp’s stop getting aloowances.
The 150 MP’s are all asleep in parliament. Nothing good comes out of parliament, the MP’s toe party lines so this proposal effectively means more bootlickers lackeys. No to this criminal increament. what have the MP’s done to show that they are relevant??? It will be a waste of resources, unless we say Mp’s stop getting salary / allowances, the sit in parliament for free.
We should be talking of devolving power and bringing decision making closer to the end user. Why should’nt we be talking of provincial assemblies and capacitating local government?
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92. and 93 New Zambia, nice posting. I want to re-echo your “We need performance appraisals on all the MP’s, we want to see and know what each one has acheived and how they have represented their consituencies in a practical result driven way.Zambians should never be taken for granted we want to see results and not just speeches.” We need performers and those that have failed must resign for one needs to overstay if they can not deliver.
Also, instead of complaining Mr Munaile about the vastness of the constituencies, please reduce your busy schedule by considering giving up one job. In fact, NCC, please outline who many jobs an MP must have at a time! They mustnt have two or more.
No need.DCs,Provincial Ministers and PSs are there. This will mean more Govt expenditure.
He looks poor in health but he is very rich in mind.
development does not come as a result of having many MPs but it is as a result of having quality and visionary leadership not the type we have now.We need people with a vision for each District and constituency. You cant talk of development without an idea of where you want to be in the future.
MMMMmmm it is like fantasy.they can instead approve creation consituency secretariess within one MPs office.
The secretaries can handle extra jobs and present reports to the MP till our economy improves to sustain that proposed number.
As at now MPs are doing very litle in developing Zambia. 8-}
talk of 250 seats is nonsense!what they should be thinking of is puting penalties for non-performing MPs cause most of them just perch about all over the place like parrots and do nothing. :-l:-l:-l
VJ WANTS TO COME AND RIG.THIS TIME IN THE NAME OF INCREASED CONSTITUENCIES.
WE HAVE THE LOCAL AUTHORITY TO WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THE MP.THE QUESTION OF INCREASING THE NO. OF MPs IS NOT NEEDED NOW COZ ITS AN EXPENSIVE THING MORE ESPECIALLY WITH THE GLOBAL MELT DOWN.MAY BE LATER,THE CONSTITUTION CAN BE AMENDED IN FUTURE TO CATER FOR VJs PROPOSAL.GOOD THINKING BUT NOT URGENT BA VJ.
What justification have they given? May be that is whne our country will move foward katwishi no bantu!!!!
Please leave VJ alone. He never proposed an increase in the MPs. You need to familiarize yourselves with the contents of the Mung’omba CRC Draft Constitution. The CRC, based on what the people commented, are the ones who proposed an increase in the MPs to 283. VJ’s suggestion is in fact reducing the proposed numbers in the CRC Draft.
Kenya MP’s agree big cabinet cuts
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Well we are going the other direction. Increasing the number of govt
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