President Rupiah Banda says he will make his final decision on the report of the Dora Siliya Tribunal after studying it.
President Banda said Zambians are free to comment on the report because Zambia was a democratic country.
“Everyone is free to say what he or she wants to say over the report since Zambia is a democratic state. I will however make a final decision,” he stated.
The President was responding to a question from journalists concerning calls from some section of society for him to take action on the report.
Some civil society organisations yesterday demanded for the dismissal of Transport Minister Dora Siliya.
The 10 organisations urged President Banda to immediately relieve Ms. Siliya of her duties for allegedly breaching various laws and more seriously the constitution.
ZANIS/MKM/KSH/ENDS
Just defend the Zambian Constitution President RB Banda like you did swear at your inaugration ceremony which was done in a rush.
Otherwise, the elections of 2011 will determine the fate of the MMD in future Zambian politics.
For now, I wish you the very best President RB Banda with Minister Dora and Minister of Justice Veep George Kunda.
Of course, everyone expects you as the president to make the final decision about Dora’s case, but I think that people are more anxious about how long it will take for you Mr. President to act on this matter.
Please anybody with information about NOCE (Lead by one Zulu) and ZIMT (lead by another Zulu)
Nothing new. Business as usual. I’m out for today… going to watch TV.
Goodbye bloggers
Wapya munzi!! Let us wait & see
RB….Mwayamba manje ma Politics ya dothi. Just make a sound decision otherwise naimwe ninshi what a waste of peoples votes!!!!!!……
Very annoying indeed. Ba Presido already sounding one sided.. No wonder people will never stop thieving.. from high offices to Kaponyas…..
Make it kabili. We are waiting and the guilty Minister is still drawing a salary when she is not suppoed to. It is tatmount to stealing. You swore to uphold the constitution and your appointee has breached it. Why not deal with her immediately. Uyopa chiyani? May be you don’t know your job descritption, tiuze.
In view of everything surrounding the DORA SAGA, the only logical reason why President might keep Minister DORA is that he actions had full blessings of him. While such may make sense, it is good to tell a friend to say mwana tinaitaya so just relax in your dropped state but I will give you some chances to remain useful and make money – the way it appears late former President LP Mwanawasa seemed to have dealt with the VJ’s statement issues about GRZ owing Mr Moses Katumbi instead of vice versa.
While the media people like M’membe would make a name if Minister Dora is fired, it is still the only thing that is in the interest of voters who know what is expected of their President.
The easiest way to solve this impasse is to ask Minister DORA SILIYA TO RESIGN as it will be noble.
Continue studying the report and make sure you heed the warning sounded by Judge Chirwa. Kind advice avoid being impeached. Act accordingly
we hope that the decision will reflect the attitude of the government in regard to those that think they are above the law, hopefully it will save as a moral hassard to “copy cats”. On moral grounds mistakes like these reflect the manner of expertise with the people entrusted to the running of our beloved mother zambia.
No one is clean. Dora made a mistake and all we need from her is to say Sorry. Firing her is not the solution
Maestro, how are you and how was your Easter? We need men and women with integrity and good morals to rule Zambia. If RB will follow these two lost chaps Reuben and Cosmo it is a sad story for the country and the costitution. These family NGOs are nothing but sad examples of the current political prostitution the country is facing. RB has to show his ability to stand up on his own and be counted. These family NGOs are being used for smear compaign and as tools for propaganda machinery to bribe people’s minds not to understand the dark side of wrong doing of people in politics. If mother zambia has these NGOs then we are heading into retrogressive political era which today we need people with sober and open minds. Those who commit crimes should face the law accordingly so as Dora.
i have a pubic hair stuck in my teeth.
Professionalism and Ministerial thinking at logger heads …….the rule of the jungle , where cosmo , Lifwekelo become the champions of democracy……. RB act expeditiously….
# 12, Jazzie Jazzie, with all due respect, Dora does not acknowledge her actions to be a mistake. She took decisions with full knowledge of what was happening and apologizing will not solve this problem. Firing her is a solution because there are other MPs, equal to the task, who can perform her functions. Only difference is that they are likely to be more careful in taking liberties with their position.
RB will be studying the report untill 2011 in time for the whole cabinet to be disolved ho ho ho Zambia, the real Africa!
#14, awee mwandi… mauless.!….
# 12 jazzie jazzie. it pays to stay long on the classroom desk. Don’t pretend to be unwise
Even Kunda should resign for misleading the nation…
13. Pafwenamwine, I hear you. Well the decision for President RB Banda is a hard one if he participated in Minister Dora’s mistake and the defense that came from the Minister of Justice, Veep, George Kunda.
Of course you are right that Zambia needs men and women who will stand for what is right. And at this juncture, I would like to ask those who are close to the Undereducate to ask him to disband his PF and join the might UPND in 2011 while the UPND must be convinced to allow him, bashikulu Sata MC, to stand as UPND political party Chairman unchallenged in its 2011 General Assembly also called CONVENTION.
I believe we need a united opposition to STOP the MMD from ruling Zambian any further than the year 2011 atleast for next decade after 2011.
Surely RB, studying the document! how long? Just fire Dora and Kunda. people realy wasted their vote on this man.
How long are you going to study the reports Sir?
# 20, We may be pushing it if we expect Kunda to resign but if I were RB’s advisor I would give him this scenario: ‘Look RB, you need to take a decision on this issue immediately because people are suspecting that you have a hand in it and/or you can’ make decisions as a president. We need to either fire Dora or ask her to resign because anything short of this will open the floodgates for the opposition and civil society to de-stablize our strategy going into 2011. Your call’…….. and then ofcourse I would be fired as his advisor because I dared to tell him the truth. That about sums it up for African politics.
You honestly cant expect RB to make a rush decision. Why was the document given to RB if you don’t want him to study it in the first place and make an informed decision based on the contents of the document.
Lets wait for him to finish studying the document then make his decision.
Okay guys, even if dora was guilty I cannot make decisions to satisfy the mmembes of this world. dora continues OK. The rest we shall sort out internally.
# 25, No-one expects RB to make a quick decision but there must be a timeline in which the decision must be reached. If the tribunal was set up to conduct specific functions for a specified amount of time, surely we can expect that decisions pertaining to recommendations made should also be time bound.
I meant to say a ‘rushed decision’.
Olympia Extension Chick!
If you read the story in the paper, the tribunal handed over the case to RB and made him responsible for making the final decision. I would like to see the part in the tribunal’s proceedings where recommendations where made.
Nyama soyax in the making. Ati nokuti zambia is a democratic nation. Ba mwine wud hav come out in open n say am not going 2 fire shakafuswa…bonse ukumisha muli mwamoneni. Jazie why ma defence so muzibana na dora?
#29, My mistake, no recommendations are made by the tribunal. The point is, RB has the facts before him and an entire staff at State House to summarize those facts for him if the report is too long for him to read. He needs to be clear and give a time line as to when he will make his decision.
The nation is anxiously waiting for RB’s action
Let KK speak ….2011 for the young thinkers not cosmo ,Lifwekelo, dora ,siulwapa, chewe , and Reverend Lungu …reaction bloggers
Olympia Extension Chick!
On the timeline, I agree.
Tough report indeed, the president has been and will continue studying it for some time…let’s all have patience , i guess.
Your excellence, if you are finding it hard to study the report, I can surely be of assistance at no cost to yourself in particular and to the nation at large (national service). Your excellence, I believe that you are well versed on legal matters (not to mention your immediate subordinate) and therefore, I want to believe that justice delayed is justice denied to Hon Siliya if she is right, and to the country if she has transgressed the annals of Zambia.
I understand that it is really a test of time for you sir, but i want to also think that Zambia has many jobless (my self for example) and capable individuals who can take up Hon Siliya’s job while you study the report and toil to figure out what course of action to take. Hopefully the tribunal report is not boring and sleeping you.
Of course the final decision should come from President RB. But he should never forget where the power of the privileged decision making position has come from.
He should not keep the people waiting for too long. It is an insult to the people who trusted him and gave him that power to decide on their behalf. Dora nor George on their own did not give RB that power.
Bwana President life is fragile ……. the writing is on the wall act now…….reaction folks
Dont take the situation for granted sir, your decision may not be final
OLD Men do not readily make decisions. RB is stuck right now ???? That what being stuck means. It is actually were you have a plain document, not physics and you have no idea of what to do.???
Ba President, with all respect to you as our leader, please make a decision that is good for the people of Zambia that voted for you. Also remember to tell ba Kunda to apologize if he cant be fired or resign for misleading us when he was very defensive as if madam Dora had done the right thing. I also hope as our leader you wont say Dora is intelligent coz she has brought shame on us when she admitted not having read the MoU before signing it and for going against our supreme governance document (Constitution). Wishing well Mr. President as you excute the mandate we have given you now. 2011 is near
In the absence of a criminal case adjudication, practically these calls are wasteful petitions with a very narrow window of influencing RB’s prerogative decision of appointing or disappointing his team members.
The ideal missed opportunity was their failure to build a criminal case if they had any evidence and win it clean. Such as material transfer evidence of any transaction should have been established and substantiated before the tribunal. But alas, emotions took precedence over reasoning resulting in this failed crusade resulting in the tribunal legal opinion.These emotions and indeed face saving gigs after some rapacious moves in the tribunal, this will be a mere talk show. Breach of the constitutional if justified to avert corruption does not mount to criminal conduct.
Interesting is the fact that the common law world over has many precedence especially in the USA. I’m keen to see what case same NGOs and sponsors will build up that will dictate whom RB can appoint and disappoint. Matter of Precedence, I know not of any President who gets his appointing orders from NGOs or blogs unless I’m educated on this one.
Be advised to come up with substantive criminal charges and not under five emotions if they have to build hope and legal credibility. Breach of the constitution without criminal charge does not suffice judicial reasoning. Any petition is likely to be thrown out with costs, the money which could better be used somewhere else.
Zambians’ failure is in their culture of emotions talk shows instead of reasoning. It’s not surprising that we have more armchair book theorists doomed forever.
Intelligence lies in simplicity ….not multiple words ….
Purity
I love your analysis. Very informative.
Until fundamentals of reason are attained among critics, these talk shows are futureless.Its hard for any President to base his decisions on hearsay.Criminal charges are the only absolute grounds for instant dismissal and prosecution.Regrettably, the tribunal has found none and now emotion are taking dead-end waves.
when the cosmos, Siulwapwa ,lifwekelo chewe become the advisorrs of our President …..shame up on all Life is short …..
Cursed be the day Mwana UNZA died in the name of LPM…….
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Purity
I think the following fallacies are being committed.
-Appeal to Emotion
when someone manipulates peoples’ emotions in order to get them to accept a claim as being true
e.g I approve of X, Therefore X is true
-Appeal to popularity
The basic idea is that a claim is accepted as being true simply because most people are favorably inclined towards the claim.
e.g Most people approve of X, so I should approve of X too. Since I approve of X, X must be true.
-Ad hominem
a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument
e.g Person A makes claim, Person B makes an attack on Person A. Therefore A’s claim is false. [tbc
RB how long is it going to take to study the report.Knowing you ,nakukonda kukusila,you wont finish the report.Anyway the learned judge put straight that if a president breaches the the constitution he is liable to impeachment.How long did it take you to act on Shakas and chibombas issues.
2011 is coming,may be you will give us a better explanation for some of the things you are doing today which are not in national interest
Circus continues
Another example of an Ad hominem is:
Person A: There is no evidence of a criminal offense on the Siliya case
Person B: Well you are “MMD” so we cannot take your word for it. You must be lying.
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Lets us admit King snake and nyama soya , the old bones retire .Let the young rule …..
Another fallacy is Tu Quoque
This fallacy is committed when it is concluded that a person’s claim is false because 1) it is inconsistent with something else a person has said or 2) what a person says is inconsistent with her actions
e.g Person A makes claim X. Person B asserts that A’s actions or past claims are inconsistent with the truth of claim X. Therefore X is wrong
e.g #2
Person A: RB must take his time on his decision on Siliya because it is a complex case.
Person B: Well he acted fast on Shaka’s and Chibomba’s issues so you are wrong.
KK was 40 when he become President ……. let the young rule
OK, This ends today’s episode on logical fallacies. I hope you enjoyed it.
Upholding the code of conduct and ethics is what we should be expecting from your office. You are quick to fire people that critize your office and hesistant to uphold the rule of law you swore before. Any way only African politics are tolerant with such nonesense. I wonder what so special about Dona inshiba? We might be talking, she is another regina or Mayi Nini! be careful pipo!
Can the young rule below 40 …….
#60 wiseman, the Zambian constitution allows a Zambian who is at least 35 years old to rule provided they satisfy all the requirements as stipulated
Let Sata follow his friend sampa and become fertile soil , perhaps crops will be grown on his grave and become fruitful…. the best he can do for Zambia
Hunk, get a life!
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The South African version of the National Anthem ….God protect us from the evil of many …… Mulena Buluka sicaba sa he su lindwa ni ma swe nje oh
#61 let the young rule ,I am personally tired with king snake , am very conversant with our constitution there copies in my house at home in Zambia….
# 61 am 35 years prime age
stripper your reasoning, strange writing you made though…….the young shall rule
Ichi chi fat alberto chiliko arrongant one would think it is a decision about going to heaven or not. Kulomonesha ta!
Personally, I have come to the sad conclusion that we have a retard for president. Dora’s case is so simple and one has to be seriously mentally retarded to think its hard to decide on a straight forward matter like this.
#69 Between King snake and RB who has a low or better IQ……..
What I don’t understand is why Dora can’t resign on her own on moral grounds… really why is it that resigning isn’t such a common thing in our politics. Whatever decision RB finally makes, Dora has betrayed the trust of the people of Zambia and she won’t be respected by her subordinates, fellow ministers/MPs and her constituents. Resigning seems to be the only intelligent decision by her, even to save face!
On the flip side, can people with a fair grasp of law school me on this one: What happens to someone who breaches a Constitution, does this mean they could be arrested and prosecuted by the law enforcement agents? In that case may be the police can move in. All I know is the Constitution is the ‘supreme’ or ‘fundamental’ law or rather the preamble or something. So can she go…
Read through ‘Constitution’ on Wikipedia; especially look at paragraghs: General features; Entrenchment; Distribution of sovereignty; Separation of powers; Constitutional courts. I would like to draw your attention to the statement in the ‘General Features’ paragraph that says: “…When an official act is unconstitutional, i.e. it is not a power granted to the government by the Constitution, that act is null and void, and the nullification is ab initio, that is, from inception, not from the date of the finding…” Qn: Does this mean that RP Capital’s work is null and void and they won’t be paid money? Remember they have already started doing work? We really should be digesting this tribunal ruling even more: what it means; the precedence it is setting, etc!
Firing dora will be like conceding defeat to the Membes and the crew.which will amount to a scum to the RB camp.so Dora wont be fired the worst will be to change her ministries finito.
very difficult decision to make, he is beneficiary and his veep. Thats why we will never develop.
It is the same story pa Zambia. if there is too much pressure she will be set aside only to reappear at a later date (when things cool down) and in a better possition. This happened with Mulyata who has bounced bach as Minister fro Northwestern province. There is not a single voice to complain about him. It appears his deeds have been forgotten.
We need action now Mr Presido. Do not try to buy time hoping that the public will forget.
Ya check Dora mu Post kwati koni nako kapwele. shani ba Zambia
Banda is quick to sack hardworking & bold Ministers like Shakafuswa & Chibombamilimo on mere allegations of their wrong doing but Siliya it is no longer a secret that Siliya has been found wanting,so what the heck is he still studying,what is so special about Siliya,is she her ”sidekick.”
#72 Wise man…. The snake has a better IQ …..lol
#13 Pafwenamwine. thank you for your comments about family NGOs.In reality all the NGOs in Zambia are family NGOs, not just those you disagree with, like lifwekelo and others. The tragedy I see is that incresingly people would like to use the NGOs they like as a form of representative democracy. There is nothing democratic about Bonnie Tembo’s NGO, Emily Sikazwe’s NGO, Habasonda’s NGO, Lifuka’s NGO etc… They are all the same. That is why it is a tragedy when Rev. John Mambo to say he speaks for the people, rather than Michael Mabenga. Nobody elected John Mambo, while Mabenga has people’s votes to his credit
It looks like RB knows more than he is letting out. I can t wait to see what he will do about Dora Shame-less.
“Studying the tribunal’s report is not an easy matter and it is for this reason that I am taking time before making a statement. But I will make a decision once I have completed studying the document,” he said.” Simple and streaight forward, he was the one advising Dora to do all she has done and still doing,he therefore finds it quite difficult to relieve her of her duties because he will be bitting his tongue. All the guys involved are asking him “what’s going to happen now” people do you realise this man has more than he can chew.I never voted for him because i had no trust in him.As for the current situation let him decide upon whatever he wishes,all l know is judgment day is approaching quite faster than usual.were is tandie going? am sure Dora is very excited…
Someone get some popcorn coz this movie is gonna be nice !
Ikali ka
Ika shupa kaili ni pachibululu !
#84.
wendy , i agree with you totally. This man does not know what he is doing. He just wante to be president for the sake of being one, when things get tough, he is left looking like a uncooked Chitumbuwa .
Exactly what i have said before, emotions instead of intellectual reasoning has ruined many Zambians ending up into perenial losing armchair rhetoricians.The law is about reasoning and not cheap peer pressure reactionary attitutes. I quote “The tribunal said of the two allegations, abuse of Petauke Constituency Development Funds (CDF) and cancellation of a contract for radar installation, the petitioners had not garnered sufficient evidence.
Tribunal points out, and accurately so that: “The critical issue is whether failure to comply with legal advice of the attorney general and failure to observe tender procedures amount to a breach of the Parliamentary and Ministerial Code of Conduct.”
“But notwithstanding that the complainants have been specific in the provisions which they think have been breached, in our consideration of this matter, we have looked at all the prohibitions under part II of the Parliamentary and Ministerial Code of Conduct Act.“On the evidence, we find that what Honourable Dora Siliya did under allegation one which has been proved does not fall under Part II of the Parliamentary and Ministerial Code of Conduct Act”
Meaning Ms Siliya did not breach the Parliamentary and Ministerial Code of Conduct Act, even if she ignored the advice of the attorney general.
“However, we think that it is within our mandate under Section 14(8) of the Parliamentary and Ministerial Code of Conduct Act to make these observations for consideration by the president who appoints ministers. It is a notorious fact that before ministers assume their responsibilities that they take official oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution of Zambia and the laws of Zambia.
The tribunal found that the minister had breached Article 54 (3) of the Constitution when she ignored the attorney general’s advice and selected RP Capital to evaluate Zamtel assets, and failed to observe tender procedure.
Here too, there is a small observation to be made. Does the attorney general’s advice have the force of an order? This is difficult to know since the discussion so…
It made it very clear that the complaints were made under explicit provisions in the Parliamentary and Ministerial Code of Conduct Act and went on to quote the specific provisions, which read as follows:
“The complaint is brought under Part II of the Parliamentary and Ministerial Code of Conduct Act.”
The complainant allege that Ms Siliya has breached section 4(a), (b), (c) and (e)
The section relied upon reads,
“A member shall be considered to have breached the code of conduct if he knowingly acquires any significant pecuniary advantage or assists in the acquisition of pecuniary advantage by other person, by
(a) Improperly using or benefiting from information which it obtained in the course of his official duties, and which is not generally available to the public
(b) Disclosing any official information to unauthorised persons
(c) And (d) directly or indirectly converting Government property for personal or any other unauthorised use
(e) Soliciting or accepting transfers of economic benefit other than
(i) benefits of nominal value including customary hospitality and token gifts
(ii) gifts from family members
(iii) transfers pursuant to a contract for which full value is given
Up to this point, there is not so much of a problem
Eyebrows begin to rise when the tribunal in giving its ratio decidendi (the reason for the decision) appears to be offering solutions as to how the case should or should have proceeded to get certain desired results or giving suggestions that seem to point to an alternative remedy that appears not legal but political.
The tribunal stated the following: “Breach of the constitution is a serious matter. If a sitting President breaches the constitution he is liable to impeachment under Article 37 of the Constitution. In this case by ignoring the advice of the attorney general, honourable Siliya breached article 54(3).
The advice of the attorney general is also clearly spelt in Chapter 8 Paragraph 8.13 of the Cabinet handbook. We are not idle to think that Ms Siliya is not acquainted…
It is this portion of the findings that begs a number of questions?
Is it in the court’s place to point disappointed litigants in the way that they should proceed or should have proceeded?
Judicial proceedings are very straightforward and clear. That is if one is not satisfied, he can have recourse to a higher court until the matter is declared res judicata. (Literary meaning let the matter rest).
Furthermore, it brings to question the motive of the tribunal to drop a line about the possible impeachment of a President who breaches the Constitution.
And is this why the President’s detractors have followed the cue and are now pushing the argument that Ms Siliya should be dismissed, and failing which Mr Banda should be impeached for breaching the Constitution?
Is it a coincidence, that there is mounting pressure to shift the issue from Ms Siliya to Mr Banda?
Is that what the tribunal really intended? Obviously not.
Modern day jurisprudence has been at loggerheads over the function of the judiciary whether it is to merely interpret the law and run the risk of law development remaining stagnant or be innovative by discovering and creating new law.
This is the case in America where judges there seem to be over stretching their function, in total defiance to the Madbury ruling that it is a prerogative of the court to interpret law.
Zambia has had its share of this argument as can be seen from the case of Akashambatwa and others v Attorney General where the Supreme Court inserted the word “vice versa” to give clarity to a provision in the Parliamentary Powers and Privileges Act on floor crossing.
In the case of the tribunal ruling, there is the growing complication of the political campaign growing out of it.
LT,
my apologies for the space taken.This legal opinion is certainly not for any impulsive street reactionist but legal scholars, jurists, prosecutors and legislatures.I foretell all reactionaries that there is no criminal conduct found, crusaders are in a hollow battle of mere emotions.Grounds of impeachment are not there legislatively or physically.These are illusionary battles my friends.
RB, born and brought in KATETE, what more do you expect from such a man?
Looks like people here are prejudiced. I know the kind of reaction there will be on here when RB does the obvious. By the way people lets not call RB names. There is no need for that. This man ifor some of you s old enough to be your grand dad. He may be making mistakes but really he deserves some respect.
haha studying yeah right, if its other ministers he probably wouldnt have touched the documents even..i just hope justice will prevail…. Hallo Family?
Whats so wrong with katete Zed-dude? What are the other exceptions for your kind of Z?
Well, Shaka and his friend did nothing wrong but Nyama Soya did not even study their case, he “Sam-Mateted” accross State House bushes and impalas to declare before a frenzy and unintelligent party cadre mob and quote: “Today, I have fired Shaka and Chibombamilimo”. We can only conclude he is not firing Dora because of two things, tribalism or them being bed fellows.
How long will studying the report take? If it is too thick what are the staff at state house doing?The tribunal’s findings are there in plain. Mr President do the correct and logic thing – fire Dora and Kunda. This way you will remove the cynicism you have created in some of us on your character. Please! And why are political elders quiet on this issue? Why leave matters to hungry Lifwekelo and company to be waffling over the matter. And why can’t Kunda energetically jump to Dora’s support like he did before? After all she was described as being smarter and intelligent than most of those who were criticising her over the issue then. We are waiting.
What Dora did was dead wrong and Banda should have fired her without recourse to an expensive tribunal. Now he has got himself in a catch 22 situation. We’ll see how he will be able to disentagle himself from all this web of lies and deceipt he, Dora and Kunda have weeved around themselves. As Zambians, we should not accept nothing short of truthfullness and honesty from those who wield power in our corridors of state. Anyone found wanting should be “Mushotered”.
This is a sign that RB will do nothing to Dora, she will go on as nothing happened. What a waste of the taxpayers’s hard earned money.
#103, ShakaZulu Ka Sezangankona. I shall add ‘sam-mateted’ to my vocabulary. We can also look at it as an instance of complicity.
Jurist, That sounds like good lawyerly stuff. However, it misses the moral side of the story.Yes, It would be hard to proove her ‘guilt’ in a court sense, well maybe it is easy. Point is she has lost her leadership stage. banda has to be careful too, his decision may not be ‘final’….
#99 What do you mean? Whats wrong being born in Katete? The same is true for other leeders:KK in Chinsali,Sata in Mpika,mazoka in Choma and the list is endless.Threfore I cant see substance in you posting.
Jurist,Nsimbi
His posting on this blogg is not acquired from his thinking and logicals capacity. Go to the zambianwatchdog.com site and you will find the whole of that data laid out for you in black and white. Try to dig info before you are decieved,
Warm regards
INTERESTING DIALOGUE
RB Junior : Dad! Dad!! I have a homework need you help, can’t seem to solve this question
No Response
RB Junior : Dad!! Dad!!
RB : Hey shut up! I also have a homework. Am studying the tribunal report on Dora and
I don’t know when am going to finish, it may be tomorrow, next month or even next
year. Have enough already, why not call your mom in Los Angeles may be she will
help you. So back off, Am STUDYING!
The Post,Mmembe with all his mistakes,Sata call him a snake all you like,Fr.Bwalya some of you satanic people think should not speak out except in church are the only Zambians and institutions brave enough to speak out on evils that infest Zambia everyday from the MMD.Without the Post and Sata leading the way most of you hustlers on this blog with fake names wouldn’t even have the courage to blog.Most of you chaps are too scared to say who you are just in case shushu get you in Zambia.There is nothing DEMOCRATIC about the way things are done in Zambia,what we have are politics of hunger and intimidation,no logic,no common sense but greed and fear.
Will Siliya tribunal findings lead to RB’s impeachment?
who is atleast handsome between sata and RB?
I pray for mother Zambia
Guys, how do you put your pictures? I want to reflect my photo here for identity but I have been struggling. Any one with an idea?
#116click where it says “Gravatars are small images that can show your picture. You can get your gravator from HERE! ” right on top of the comment box,then follow the instructions
#112.As a Catholic, Ihave every reason to believe Fr bwalya was using the Radio station for his personal ambitions.I Can liken him to the current President of Paraguay fernando Lugo(A former Bishop and just few days ago accepted having fatherd a child while as a Bishop),Haiti’s Aristide e.t.c.Theay all began their political careers in the pretext fo speaking for the voiceless but our church is now aware of such characters who want to use the church as a launch pad.Thank you Bishop Oregon.We will now know where Fr Bwalya belongs without Radio Icengelo
Hey guys I understand the tribunal made recommendations. So, why does RB have to study the whole thing? In my no-so-humble opinion, I think the recommendations were made to help him draw the conclusion fast, otherwise what are they for. I mean the experts on the law themselves have made the recommendations. RB you have no grace with the law the ones who have, have spoken.
You guys are saying no recommendations were made. Are you telling me the tribunal did not draw any conclusion on the matter? I thought, in my humble opinion of course, conclusion is not very different than recommendation. I mean on the street like this blog except of course if one wanted to get poetic about the Law.
I tell you he will study until 2011 and by then Dora will have done her term and qualify for benifits
Dora siliya will not resign otherwise the law agencies will arrest and prosecute her.
If RB fires Dora this will sound as a disciplinary action by the republican president and need less attention from the law agencies as all will be directed by there master RB
Rule of Law and not of man. #1 I value your contribution. Breach of a constitution should be considered serious. If RB goes any other way then he will also breach it. Remember he swore to uphold the constitution by oath.
Mulenga in Newcastle, is that a euro flag?
The guy did not read the 4 page Zambia Airways letter, how is he going to read the big book he was given. RB stop wasting our time, make a decision so we can go ahead and impeach you!
Interesting, Jurist I have read your submissions and i must say its quite interesting and your conclusion that there is no criminal offence on the part of Dora. Well what then can be done in such a situation does now resort to a mere censure than a dismissal?
What time does the presido have to study that document? He is always busy with trips!
nothing good will come out from that report because RB will try by all means to protect Dora, let him say he’s giving her a 2nd chance, after that we shud all petition for him to step down for violating the constitution, and mourn Levy even more. in Levy’s reign, Dora would have been looking for a job at ZNBC by now.
you better do it quickly!!!
Fellow bloggers i just heard some very sad news on Radio Pheonix 13hrs news,this Cosmo guy is a disgress to Zambia,today he has changed his statement saying that Siliya should just be dropped as a full cabinet minister,but that she should be re appointed as a deputy minister,wat kind of nonsense is this for sure, what is in this Cosmo’s heard muchanga or wat they guy is just yapping any how,awe mwe,this is too much
If you have followed this closely the invovlvement of RB’s son in the RP saga makes it all the more difficult for RB to do anything to Dora. I have a sneaking suspicion that it was actually RB who, off the cuff, requested Dora to facilitate RP’s bid. Hence if she goes RB’s in danger of having this info spilt
The jurist,iyo lecture yenu iyo.Go and give it to RB.
I hope he wont start sleeping along the way.Chao
Hi bros and sis what i can say is that bashi mpundu is not using his head to think and study he is using the………to think that is why he cant do anything about siliya.he he did do something then with dora,it will be closed…….and bashi mpundu will not be able to……again.
Atate bake Temwani, no one has disputed that fact. Just do the right thing, thats what is important!
#131 Partance See. You cannot be more right. The Presidents involvement in this case direct or otherwise has made a simple and straight foward issue more complicted. In a normal situation there shouldnt even have been a tribunal; Dora should have just been arrested and cautioned pending a court appearance. RB does not know that ukutanfya lunshi kunya pabili.
Goodmorning bloggers, wow! some you change names every single day although the flags are a sell-out. I just can’t keep up with some of you my relatives!
#89 Jurist man we will not dispute your omnipotence in Law its your grace. But you have to trust in logic, man. I think you don’t understand that RB’s son is the one who introduced RP capital to Dora. I mean, where do you come from man? Do you now understand the grand scheme of things or your provincial mind still can’t understand this metaphoric conspiracy.
Nothing to study about the report, just fire Dora period. Kunda should be next because we cant have a vice President who is misleading the nation all the time
You see Dora Hmm! Zamtel is Hot cake. I know that nabaikalile would want it sold so that they can buy shares. Politicians have made it stall and not grow for their selfish gains. Couldn’t you smell the scent.? Just resign on moral ground if you have any. Abena Zed nabacha manje. Be careful.
Mwaanga off to rig elections in South Africa. This man loves eletions, whenever there is something to do with elections, he keeps on resurfacing.
My opinion is she must go. But since she was cleared of any wrong doing it is the Presidents call. Legally she has won, while politically lets wait and see
Being the republic president and as you stated earlier on that you would want to recover the monies stollen by Fred’y M’embe and Muntembo N’chito.Please do so also with Dora Siliya assembly the carders and fire her immediately.This should even have taken you to wait for the Traiburnal which has jus wasted our time and money.Dora must be fired immediately and let the law inforcement agency take further action.I wish you GOD’S GUIDANCE as think about what to do next (Dora must be fired boss)
#14 Kabudo, awe iwe mambala taumfwa…!!! Wansekesha sana na mumala mwakalipa. Anyway, back to the story….RB, go to the presidential summary and key points of action. You do not need to read through the entire report, especially after seeing how you like sleep, it will take you the rest of the year to reach the end. By then, you would have even forgotten what the report you were reading was all about…then you will say that you will need to revise but again by the time you finish, you would have forgotten…back to contents and page one again……so just make the decisions man.
#142. Mwana Mulozi. Thank you boss. Tamvela.
Ya ya ya nkhani yalula. Where is Red Lip ?
dora has resigned and the president is sanctioning the office of the solicitor general
bane kunda should go also he is an embarassment to this noble nation
Ba President six months ago when you were campaign for the highest office in the mother land I love so much, your slogan was “CONTINUITY” , to continue were the Great late President Levy Patrick Mwanawasa left, may his soul rest in eternal peace. The late never condoned such actions from ministers. But Mr President, I don’t see any continuity with you except messing up.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN DORA HAS RESIGNED.
Ya ya ya ya nkani yalula. Red Lip Kunda….say something kaili
Who mentioned impeachment ?
So, who made the final decision on Dora tribunal findings? Is it President RB Banda or Dora?
Since, Ms Dora Siliya resigned, the President has been proved wrong in his quick words that he is the only one to make a final decision. Quite alright he might have helped speak or communicate to Ms D. Siliya about resiging, but Ms Dora Siliya MADE THE FINAL DECISION which is great.
Thank you Dora. Lovely stuff and you have made history in Zambian politics being the only second one to resign from a GRZ appointed job after late former President Levy P Mwanawasa who resigned from the Zambian Vice Presidency when characters like the Undereducate continued participate in the Chiluba GRZ that reduced the Zambian economy to almost nothing. Thus, all the very best in your future endeavours.
152 continued.
Ohhh, how I hope the Minister of Justice Vice President George Kunda would be the 3rd Zambian government politician to resign from office after saying things which misled the Nation.
I wish both Minister Veep G. Kunda and President RB Banda all the best as they learn from this experience to do things betterand/or handle National issues well without panic in future.