FODEP opposses dual citizenship clause in draft constitution

1. rubbbish

   • You are right. Can’t believe FODEP is that shallow.

2. This is the dullest statement yet! I get a feeling there’s a vindictive spirit hovering over Zambia.Everyone seems to the obsessed with thieves and think every successful person is a thief. We want dual citizenship to make it easier for us to invest in our mother land.We love Zambia and are heart broken at the dilapidated roads,dust everywhere,poor service infrastructure.We want Zambia to look like and be like some of the countries we live in.

   • :-?This Man is mad He has lived in Zambia his whole life and his thinking is corroded(Umwana ashenda atasha nyina ukunaya) These are are the retogressive minds which must be mopped- Kalaale iwe naumfwa utulo, leka abalelolesha balandepo!

3. What a foolish reason… has this man got brains? A crime is a crime no matter what country you hold citizenship in. What stops any Zambian from committing a crime and running away currently?

   • For example, where is Henry Banda now, despite having no dual citizenship?

   • Exactly me point too.

   • Thank you brother and well said. Uyu Macdonald chipumbu sana. The man is an ***** and he thinks we are dull like him. He is just jealous of us living in foreign countries.

   • No he has SA citizenship also, and his family

   • He only has South African Permanent Residence!

4. Abosolute nonsense.

5. This mac donald must be very dull and myopic. Dual citizenship does not make one crime prone. And the world has become small which means even when you commit crime in one place you still be sought for worldwide, its a global village provided sensible charges are tabled against you. Wake up villager

6. Has this man ever heard of an British/Pakistani who committed a crime in UK and fled to Pakistani where he was shielded? Has this man got ANY example of a South African/American who committed a crime in South Africa and is being shielded in USA?
   Puleeze, do not talk rubbish!

7. It is not a surprise to hear this from a man whose first name is a surname. He inherited this inferiority complex from the person who named him after his boss.

   • McDonald is not just a surname you moron… 

8. As most have commented. This is rubbish, what kind of reasoning is that!?? There are so many other things wrong with the judicial system in Zambia and I’d the we’re remedied they would solve this stupid problem he foresees. FYI it already happens whether you are a citizen of another country or just a visitor., further more each country has it’s own laws owing to that,…extradition laws.
   He needs to focus on other parts of the constitution benefitting Zambians instead of trying to fight this agenda. He sounds like an uneducated fool, scared of what he does not understand. Stop being vindictive and jealous of your brethren and help them help us all in the process, this constitution needs to pass for our future’s sake.

9. Absolute Nonsense!!!!!!. The country has no money to waste on fools like this man. Start reasoning like a man and not a child.

10. I meant to write … And if they were remedied..

11. Shove it! I am tired of these games. I will just embrace my US citizenship!

12. His name says is all ‘Chipenzi’. There is a lot of poverty in his brains. Honestly his remarks do not even deserve a response from bloggers. Is this the calibre of people we have running our institutions?

13. what ever ther are smoking is not good for body and mind.

14. LT AM NOT IN THE US OF A

15. Yes Chipenzi is really porvert striken person, you can tell from the name, some of these people like him should not head any institutions like FODEP

16. Nothing wrong with dual citizenship. Indicative of progress.

17. Someone tell this clown that with dual nationality, the Laws of the Parent country takes precedence so if a Zambian who is a dual national with Britain commits a crime in Zambia and runs to the UK, the Laws of the parent country take precedence therefore the Zambian authorities could request for such a person to be extradited to Zambia. Our politicians are just scared that this would expose them to human rights abuses period.

18. FODDP PLEASE BE REALISTIC BY GIVING CREDIBLE REASONS.
    NO INDIVIDUAL CAN OBTAIN A 2ND CITIZENSHIP WITHOUT REGISTERING THE 1ST. IT CAN’T BE DIFFICULT TO TRACE A CRIMINAL.

19. Nothing wrong with dual citizenship. Indicative of progress. Something wrong with current thinking at FODEP. What happened to the vibrant organization that we knew?

20. Chipenzi, You are knee jerk activist full of drivel period! Appreciate the fact that the world i a Global village where criminality has no sanctuary anywhere. Keep your ignorance to yourself. Zambia needs her sons and daughter to move the country where you have failed it with years of your rubbish talk.

21. Sour grapes, jealousy etc…….. come to mind.

22. Chipenzi and FODEP are talking nonsense.
    The concern about crime is not valid or true re: dual citizenship/nationality, because dc/dn will not be the first time his concern will be introduced.
    Does he not know that that even today people commit crime in their home country, flee to another and seek asylum or obtain permanent residence, seek the protection of a just, responsible host nation, till there is proof that the alleged crime had been committed before a person is subjected to the justice system of the home country? Case in point is Mr Henry Banda who is said to be in South Africa, not as a citizen, but as a resident there, being protected by the Government there, while awaiting evidence that he has committed crimes in Zambia his home nation, before he can be handed over to Zambia.

23. Let us have people and stakeholder organisations that have something to say make contributions to the ongoing review of our future and progressive constitution. Maybe for now FODEP have had their say, and should not say anything in order to leave room for others.

24. It is long overdue that Zambians can obtain dual citizenship and it should be progressed without delay.

25. The phobia that if a dual nationality subject committed a crime in one country could relocate to his/her other country in order to escape prosecution is unfounded. I doubt if there`s a country out there that would protect a criminal just because of dual citizenship. Remember that there`s an overriding international law on crime. Why is it that the long arm of Interpol can fish you out and be extradited even from your own country despite being of a single nationality?  The real problem is not that you can run away but which country’s law would be applied to prosecute a dual citizen.

26. Though there are cons of dual citizenship like uncertainty on which country’s law to prosecute a villain, dilemma on whether to grant equal rights regarding political and social issues, questions on patriotism etc, the pros are: the easy of capital mobility for investment, facilitates travel(enhances business) as bureaucratic visa and passport processes are eschewed, exposure which offers advantages on both local and global business field, culture and knowledge sharing ensuing from interaction results in enlightenment and innovation hence creating more opportunities . To crown it all, dual citizenship has been a success story in many countries, especially the liberalized economies.

27. The reasoning is the dullest I have come accross. Crime is crime. It can not deter this progressive proposal. Anyway, I shift my attention to that lady in the photo. In a purple dress and nice juicy African butt.

28. For national security, dual citizen ship and the parentage clause should be thrown out.

    • For national security my ass? I think you are still living in the stone age.! You are as unprogressive you are an A**H***

29. There are two kinds of light :the glow that illuminates and the glare that obscures.Needless to say that with the argument advanced,this myopic Chipenzi falls in the latter half.Nuff said.

30. Please FODEP stop embarrassing your organization, even without dual citizenship suspects and criminals commit crimes and fade away in other countries. This is not a good reason to deny people the dual citizenship. It is very important for these people to really understand the importance of the dual citizenship and not just come up with irrelevant reasoning just to be heard. As much as people are free to contribute, it is very necessary that people contribute intellectually so we can move forward!

31. What makes you think our dear uncles and fathers who were committed in drafting this constitution are stupid? These guys are thinking about what the nation can benefit from the people who have become citizens in other developed Countries, its easy for us to raise money or get a loan here, come and buy that unfinished building which have been abandoned for many years. somebody will finish it and bring more business in the country and in return, more people will have jobs. we are tired of trying to do business using our relatives, who will just squander the money. we need freedom knowing we are investing in our mother land. Mr Chipanzi, your thinking is selfish and full of jealous. All you want to see is tuntemba all over the town center. what a shame !!!!

32. Here comes another tunnel minded lunnie…

33. FODEP is not only FOOLISH and SERIOUSLY DULL, but embarrassingly IGNORANT. For UK, USA, Canada to allow dual citizenship, it means that is safe and productive. Recently, Kenya enacted the dual citizenship law. Are you say they are stupid? Get some basic education and international wisdom before you run such ‘organisations’. 

34. Ka Chipenizi you are a foolish dull man. Only a stupid person wd reason the way you have reasoned. Every law has got its own advantages and disadvantage. But it wd be folly to focus on the disadvantages rather than advantages.

35. Ignorance!, one wonders how Chipenzi got appointed to lead FODEP. And was the last director of FODEP not that ballot paper thief, Alex Ngoma?

36. This is the most unreasonable statement any one can make.Chipenzi is short sighted,stupid and foolish.Most people in the diaspora would like to invest in Zambia.Dual citizenship wil envourage people to invest in Zambia.Iwe Chipenzi you should travel and understand the advantage of dual citizenship.If you dont have a pasportbI can organise one for you!

37. FODEP sure, these are able institutions that should not go out in the public of people to expose how shallow their thoughts would be, for instance…..why is there Interpol? It is some other factors that leads culprits get away with the law that protects the rich. How many rich folks ahve stolen and still walking head tall and free while when a poor man is caught stealing 20kg of maize will feel the pain. Check yaself …..it’s been long overdue.

38. Yap, yap, yap – das all dey eva do. Dis moron Chipenzi smell of jealousy and envy.

39. My goodness, who is this chipenzi guy? What is wrong with this guy? Will Zambia be the first country in Africa to introduce dual citizenship?  

40. Dual nationality in the UK

    Many countries will not let you have two nationalities (dual nationality). If you become a British citizen and are a national of a country which does not allow dual nationality, the authorities of that country may either regard you as having lost that nationality or may refuse to recognise your new nationality.

     Under international law, we cannot give you diplomatic help if you are in a country of which you are a national. For example, if you hold both British and Chinese nationality we would be unable to give you diplomatic help when you are visiting China.

    • Well what help have you ever gotten??

41. Like it or not, if you are internationally employable the Zambian passport is amongst the most unwanted document you would have. It takes months to get a visa approved even for a simple visit to a stupid country. So Chipenzi, keep your ideas; we already have citizenship elsewhere because no one will ever take away by birth right; with or without a passport, am Zambian, will always come home, no visa, no nothing. If you so wish kill us at the airport.

    • How do you call your country of birth ‘stupid’? You are claiming your birth right to a ‘stupid’ country?

    • Reader: Please read my comment again. I said to visit a “stupid country”; meaning, even the most useless country a Zambian has to visit would require a visa. Before you complain, learn to read.

42. The most stupid comment from a person supposed to know better

43. We are struggling to extradite Henry Banda from South Africa and he is not a South African citizen. To deny law abiding citizens their birth right just because of a few rotten souls, who may or may not abscond, is grossly unfair. Anyway, by what authority is this man speaking?

    • Good point……….

44. The positives out weigh the negatives. Allow dual citizenship. Chipenzi get a life let move with the times. A case is never old. Wold war cases of people who had relocated from europe are being prosecuted. Meaning you can’t run for ever.

45. FODEP or whatever you call yourselves should just shut it. Crime buh bluh bluh, what a stupid comment.

46. :(Who is this imbecile of a FODEP chap? Ulichipuba tawakwata amano. Don’t just comment for the sake of it. Zambia is looking bad economically because of shallow minded imbeciles like you. You are a retard, a psychopath,  who deserves no place in modern society. You belong to the ancient times. I want to sternly warn you ——– don’t talk about dual citizenship again? You are an embarrassment to society. If you do not know, I must educate you here that Zambia as a country has a lot benefit from dual citizenship. Look at the bigger picture, and don’t be narrow minded. What security reason? What do you know about security of a country. ****

47. I have USA-Citizenship, but I don’t think I am American. I have a house in my hometown in Luapula Province, and I acquired that land from my Chief & local district council, no one asked me for my CITIZENSHIP. Sue me if you want, mwempumba mikowa baswaini!!

    • Natotela we wakwesu. Uyu Kapoli alemona kwati we gat no brains. No wonder he has a first of a restaurant he probably only sees on TV.

    • Kwesi kwali wamisha uko tulye iminofu yambowa

48. Nonsense….NONSENSE …STU.PI.DI.TY !!!! 

49. Mr. McDonald Chipenzi, you are very dull. You do not seem to even have heard about the laws of extradition which do not give a chance to criminals to hide under the protection of citizenship. If you are a criminal hiding in Zambia Mr Chipenzi and are required by Zimbabwean authorities, The Zambian Government will hand you over to Zimbabwe even if you are a citizen of Zambia. Don’t expect protection. You are on your own in criminality. No country protects criminals. Only ‘special criminals’ in the performance of their duties can be protected as the government would have known their mission in advance.

50. I agree with the. Blogger who laughs at Mcdonald for having a surname for a first name The Scots have that as a surname. Now you Zambians who like adopting such colonial master’s names should think twice. Why didn’t the colonial master adopt any of your names? He had a superiority complex. You adopted the English names because you had an inferiority complex. Its tragic that after 50 years of independence we are still carrying these slave names! Zambians wake up from mental slavery!

51. Give Chipenzi a break! He was commenting on the draft constitution. All Zambian citizens are free to contribute their comments. Each one of you should give your reasons for or against what is in the draft. This pouvre has contributed his six cents, let’s get yours. Don’t debate by calling someone on the other bench all sorts of dirty words from your dictionary.
    My contribution: Not all Zambians are Xstians and hence Zambia should not be a Xstian nation – otherwise no dual citizenship ;)

52. its a gud statement fak u zambians abroad mulebutuka ichalo chandi either u zambian or not

    • Naiwe wine FAKAYO; you said we are running away from Zambia? We are working; and what ever we earn is sent back to Zambia. Yeah, don’t ask me how I earn it; even cleaning bum is a job; one that our country could not give me if I sat there waiting. FAKAYO

53. You are a bunch of *****s. Why do you think developed nations have developed faster than us. Because, they did not has stupid restrictions as the ones the world countries out of ignorance imposed on themselves. Chinese, Germans, Russians, English, you name crisscross between countries where they have dual citizenship and invest likewise. The best way we are going to help develop the country is by allowing Zambians in diaspora the ability to invest in our country without restriction. I sense a lot of jealous in this burger Chipenzi. No wonder he has a first name of a restaurant he has never even eaten from. Get real and let us help develop our country iwe kapoli.

54. Does the granting of dual citizenship also mean the electoral code will be changed to allow us vote from wherever we are? I think this is also very important. Currently the Namibians have that privilege to vote at their embassies abroad. Why can’t we???? Lyonse fye ati bwekela ku Mikomfwa mukuvota even when I am in the middle of the Alaskan permafrost!

55. ask from Senegal pleasae home is home and with crime one gets punished that why we have interpool use it man\:d/

56. Viva FODEP, \:d/

57. Can someone help me with the phone number email  for this ***** chimpanzee if dual nationality was not safe uk USA south africa etc and other progressive countries could not have adopted it what fear of crime rubbish is this monkey talking about

58. Do you need duo citizenship for you to invest in your country? Why should you be participating in voting for people who do not rule you? Be patriotic to whatever you want to be identified with. You have identity crisis amongst yourselves and want to be called Zambian when it suits you and British (or whatever) when you are on a queue for child benefits or council housing…

59. what an ***** dual citzenship is the way to go…most of us have been waiting for this for years , there is no way to stop criminals as they use fake documents anyway , worst case scenario you can extradite them back to zambia

60. Mr Chipenzi may have a point on the call out to petition redundant MPs as they are mnt to work for the people they represent. However, on dual citizenship Chipenzi need to do more research and comprehend this concept that its got universal implications for development, transfer of knowledge of innovation and createvity hinged on complexity management that countries create a vatar to draw knowledge from for the benefits of its citizens. Do not expose your ignorance by looking at crime as the slippage of the law. Crime committed any where is punishable, migrating to another country wont be safe haven either.

61. pure stupidity and shallow reasoning

62. Chipenzi, Chipenzi, Chipenzi who commits a crime and wants to be caught???!!! 

63. This reasoning is not only ancient but very narrow. In fact we should even modify this clause by indication that Zambians who have acquired citizenship of another country even before this law do not need to apply, because most Zambian nationals who left to take up employment in other countries have their roots in Zambia and they have contributed greatly to Zambia through investment and taking care of their families. Most that I know who have taken up citizenship of other countries have a string of relatives in Zambia and are taking care of their relatives. Mr Chipenzi should be forgiven for exhibiting this level of understanding of this issue.

64. The guy simply does not understand the concept of dual citizenship, as if it is a new invention. They have a position to deal with this, for example in the British passport it states that the holder is not protected by Britain in any way from any of the laws of any other countries that they are a citizen of. So no point to be made by FODEP here. Malabish

65. Why do people cry for dual citizenship???? Thats just a complex, be proud of belonging to your country. One foot here the other there, Indecisiveness. Atase marubish.

    • Why do you people want to stay in one country when you can also be internationally employable; ma rabbish atase!! See, its not what you are given, but what you have that can make a difference. We have the brains to work abroad – bwana, where they do real engineering projects. You have nothing going on at the moment, see, water reticulation is being sorted by the Americans, such is what we do for other countries. Why restrict us with a Zedian passport bwana?

    • Proudly ZAMBIA studing abroad ryt now but can never i mean never get citizenship kwabene so fak u mukekale ukokwine kopala swag

66. How did this shalow minded clown become FODEP executive director ???

67. He has a right to an opinion :) Don’t take it or make it personal. What is of interest is how much those who have already acquired illegal citizenships will have to pay to regularize their positions and if this will be an amnesty of sorts. For example many South Africans found out the hard way that biometrics mean both governments are aware who is in this position and were asked to produce proof (both passports) at Heathrow. Remember the small print of that newer citizenship is clear that it must not have been obtained fraudulently and the assumption is that your country already accepts dual. I would like to know there will be no penalties for any of you caught out like this so it not clear what the citizenship board position will be. Anyone out there know?

68. The reasons given are urbsurd but the call to remove dual nationality from the draft constitution is valid. I have read comments above in support of keeping the clauses but none hold water to justify it. @Linda claims it will allow Zambians in the diaspora to invest in Zambia. My wonder is how and who stops you investing when you are a Zambia national? Others suggest it’s progressive! Can someone please expand on how this would result in any progress? Others suggest it would make it easier to travel to other countries but are these good enough reasons to advance it? Personally, I am indifferent about the whole thing but will strongly oppose it and at most, if allowed, no public office holder should have/had dual nationality. You can’t have divided loyalties when in public office.

    • I have seen it is in the draft that you can not qualify to run for President if you have dual citizenship.
      Will it be possible to drop the other citizenship when you wanna be President? Nice one.

    • I think it should not be limited to the Presidency but public office such as ministerial.

    • I can’t believe that you guys can be so shortsighted! Are you saying one should not hold public office if they dual nationals? I think the country would benefit a lot from some of the experts with experience in running big organisations abroad!

      I came to the UK when I was 18. I have a PhD from Oxford. I am scientist with dozens of patents being used by big organisations. However, I had to get a British passport because I pretty much could not travel anywhere easily without the UK passport. That is the only reason I got the UK passport. However my heart is in Zambia and I feel there is so much for me to offer back in my country. I am only one example. There 1000s of Zambian abroad in a similar situation. Your argument means people like myself would not contribute to Zambia’s developmen

69. The man has submitted a comment and that’s his opinion. Why don’t you make your own independent submission instead of trashing stuff and calling him names. We love FODEP and we want to respect every ctizen and their opinions coz we are all comrades. In fact Zed pipo are great and some of these pipo, you guys in the diaspora are insulting have done a great deal for our country. Someone says he wants to invest back home, you are wellcome but I can assure you Zambians have invested massively here and if you are not carefull you will lag behind while you continue enjoying the beauty of your friends already developed countries where you are trying to become citizens.

70. MAZ@ 58 and Muntukupema@ 51

    Well articulated. Can those in favour of dual nationality please advance some reasons for why it would be in Zambia’s interest to include this. The point about utilising knowledge etc is equally baseless. Remuneration and not dual nationality is what has lead to the knowledge and skills drain. One can only be employed in one country at a time and if one wishes to help develop their motherland, then it is easy to pack and head back and utilise your acquired knowledge and skills.

71. Dual citizenship will facilitate many successful zambians who have acquired the citizenship of their host country and not willing to lose that citizenship to come back to zambia to explore economic opportunities.It is in the interest of both zambia and the diaspora to allow the govt to cast  a miilion lines and see what bites.It makes economic sense.Don’t let petty emotions cloud your logic.#70 you could get back more than a persons physical presence,What about his money capital and what with the strides in communication a multi tasking person could be in 2 places at the same time.

72. Mortgage Phiri@71
    Divided loyalty is no loyalty at all. There is no Government that restricts individuals from travelling to explore economic opportunities. If there is one please enlighten me. Zambia is currently full of economic migrants who do not hold dual nationalities. I am sure they will have travelled there beforehand to explore with little or no difficulties. and what should stop a Zambian travelling to Zambia to explore similar opportunities? in addition, if you say knowledge and skills can be utilised remotely despite location then what is the point of dual nationality? Those in support are supporting this for selfish reasons and nothing to do with investments, knowledge or progressing our motherland.

    • You asked “… Zambia is currently full of economic migrants who do not hold dual nationalities … what should stop a Zambian travelling to Zambia to explore similar opportunities?”

      My answer: There are no full economic benefits to the Zambian Enterprise only peripheral as these economic migrates in Zambia currently externalize nearly all their profits out of Zambia. With dual citizenship, it is plausible that they would be inclined to leave more of the returns in Zambia. For instance, how much of the $10.2 billion in revenues from copper remain in Zambia? Please let me know how much of the Chinese profits remain in Zambia as well and we will continue. I have other reasons but I would like us to start there. You are the best, thanks.

73. PLEASE LET US DEVELOPE OUR COUNTRY WHILE WE LEAVE ABROAD. WE LOVE OUR COUNTRY ZAMBIA, BUT WITHOUT DUAL CITIZENSHIP WE LOSE NOTHING BUT ONLY TO BE SORRY FOR OUR POOR COUNTRY.

74. Ladies and gentleman, Chipenzi is running a wrong organization  – FOUNDATION FOR DEMOCRATIC PPROCESS. 
    Really DEMOCRATIC PROCESS??? Hehehe!!!

75. this makes a very sad reading to me,i think dual citizenship has alot of positives.its just unfortunate that fodep sees only the one side with also makes little sense.
    people,i think it will be unfair to call McDonald all those names because he is giving us the position of fodep on the matter and not his personal position,he speaks as fodep executive director so let us critisise fodep and not just one man,am absolutely in support of all the critics of fodep on this matter as it is a very sad development,they should just try to readdress the matter,let us register our disappointments with the technical committee like kabanda has put it,we can still win,dual citizenship is a must,let us fight for it.
    fodep is wrong on this one

76. Benefits of Dual Citizenship

    Dual Citizenship countries have realized that dual citizenship has the advantages of broadening a country’s economic base, fostering trade and investment between the dual citizen’s two respective countries. This view is shared by Africa’s Brain Drain, an NGO dedicated to turning the brain drain into a brain gain.

    Another benefit of dual citizenship is that it has  the ability of dual citizens to influence economic and political decisions in their host countries in favour of their countries of birth and descent .

77. Benefits contd

    Dual citizenship provides access to financial investment rights (property, securities, retirement, social security benefits, etc.) 

    Dual Citizenship provides opportunity for children of Ghanaian parentage to travel freely and reconnect with their cultural background and strengthen the fabric of their African heritage

78.  Most importantly, it provides opportunity for children of original country of parentage to travel freely and reconnect with their cultural background and strengthen the fabric of their African heritage

79. The endorsing or advocating the development of multiple national attachments should be viewed in terms of national development and economic strategy. Dual citizenship would help businessmen/women to transact and move freely, especially in and out of the United States, United Kingdom etc.

80. Benefits of Dual Citizenship
    Dual Citizenship countries have realized that dual citizenship has the advantages of broadening a country’s economic base, fostering trade and investment between the dual citizen’s two respective countries. This view is shared by Africa’s Brain Drain, an NGO dedicated to turning the brain drain into a brain gain.

81. The ideals of Free Enterprise and Democracy are complementary. The development and sustenance of a strong middle class is essential to attaining stability and growth in a country. Dual citizenship has the ability to bring this about. The future seems to provide a great promise; Dual citizenship  helps to democratize the politics of a country. 

82. There are thousands of children born and presently residing in the Diaspora. These children with their dual nationalities and exposures could help the country to navigate her destiny through the twenty-first century. Democracy indeed, is built on informed citizen participation, especially those who have lived and practiced it in developed countries. The ideal of democracy is meaningful participation of an engaged and informed citizenry. 

83. Dual Citizenship is undoubtedly, one of the ways to foster a country’s future economic development. It would allow expatriates and their children to return and invest in their birthplace, entice foreign investors and promote cross-border cooperation. 

84. It would also be in recognition of the great support a country has received from her citizens who have been living beyond her shores over the years, in particular, the past 30 years. This support has been in the areas of economic, technical, social and infrastructural development.

85.  Annual remittances of more $millions cannot be treated lightly, therefore, the unrestricted importance that a country should attach to dual citizenship cannot be overemphasized. It is a win-win situation. Modernghana dot com.

86. Dual Citizenship countries have realized that dual citizenship has the advantages of broadening a country’s economic base, fostering trade and investment between the dual citizen’s two respective countries. This view is shared by Africa’s Brain Drain, an NGO dedicated to turning the brain drain into a brain gain.

87. Another benefit of dual citizenship is that it has  the ability of dual citizens to influence economic and political decisions in their host countries in favour of their countries of birth and descent .

88. this ***** chipenzi….

89. @Anayst

    The points you have advanced can be achieved with one nationality. I am a Zambia living in the UK with business interests in both countries and I travel freely back and forth. No one and neither Govt interferes with my travels nor where I put my money. I also have business interests in SA and the far east. Should I also go and acquire nationalities there for the same reasons you submit? One can only be loyal to one country and that includes children born in the diaspora but of Zambian parentage. If they chose to be Zambian they can be just that and provisions are their to facilitate and if the choose the country of birth, again it’s their choice to be respected. Brain drain is simply a non-starter. If and when the pastures become greener in Zambia, they will come – dual or not!

90. What shallow reasoning! Lord have mercy!
    Zambia will continue to admire countries like South Africa, who have citizens with dual citizenship.Dual citizenship is the foundation of growth. The slab is the investment that follows. The walls naturally go up as each professional in the diaspora strives to bring a bit of good to people like Chipenzi in Zed and roof them better.
    Chipenzi scandalises the definition of “homo sapiens” (thinking man)!
    :-\”

91. LT has a very good audience in the diaspora – good stuff. Most people who seek dual citizenship are not criminals – they are in fact sucessful people who can explore investment opportunities in Zambia, their home. These successful people got the other citizenship to facilitate their development – it is the worst thing to have a Zambian passport if you are internationally employable. Every country needs you to get a visa, and yours takes the longest time. I mean every country.

92. Zambia has many people participating in some sports disciplines and represent Zambia when it fits them! This however, changes when they reach the age where they have to go to college, university! They enjoy Zambia for when it fits them and forget Zambia when opportunities arise. We have many people in Zambia that hold different passports to use when it fits…! So why demonise those that want dual citizenship? 

93. This explains why Zambia as a country can’t move forward with this kind of thinking. like someone has already indicated, Zambia has a devil that is hovering around us that makes everyone think evil. Has this fool..any way shove this to you stnking as..s period

94. Some countries that allow dual Citizenship  are Albania,Antigua,Australia,Barbados,Belize,Benin,Bulgaria,Burkina Faso,Cambodia,Canada
    Cape Verde,Central African Republic,Colombia,Costa Rica,Côte d´Ivoire,Croatia,Cyprus
    Dominica,Dominican Republic,Ecuador,El Salvador,France,Ghana,Greece,Grenada
    Guatemala,Hong,Kong,Hungary,Iran,Ireland,Israel,Jamaica,Latvia,Lesotho,Liechtenstein,
    Macao,Maldives,Mexico,Morocco,Namibia,Nevis,New Zealand,Nigeria,Panama,Peru
    Poland,Portugal,Romania,St. Christopher,St. Kitts,St. Lucia,Slovenia,Sri Lanka
    Switzerland,Syria,Togo,Tunisia,Turkey,Tuvalu,United Kingdom,Kenya, India and many more.

    • When did Namibia change their constitution to allow dual citizenship? Check your list again bwana…

    • The Namibian Citizenship Act’s section 26 allows dual citizenship.Children can also hold dual citizenship, research on the internet. 

95. Dual citizenship has got nothing to do with crime. The law enforcement agencies are responsible for clumping down on crime. Interpol is responsible for pursuing those who commit crime and disappear or run to other countries. We cannot through away a good law for fear that it may be abused. We cannot do away with cars for fear that they will be involved in accidents. Mr Chipenzi exists as a non governmental organization’s employee. He only exists to supplement or improve where government has failed to meet the needs of people. He should not jeopardize the very people he claims to represent or serve.

96. This dimwit Mc cheeseburger is so backwards and useless,just because his family is full of thieves then he opens his mouth talks trash about dual citizenship pluuuuze get a life Mr NGO and next time try use your brains…

97. This fool does not know what he is talking about.He is giving an example from his imagination instead of reality.Let him give statistical evidence to back his claim.The only advise we should advance is that , the dual citizenship should not be with any country.We can start with the G20 countries, which have a beneficial index to Zambia.We are not talking about countries like Congo, SUDAN, Burundi, Tanzania etc.We are looking at countries like , USA, CANADA, UK or EU, ITALY,JAPAN etc. Even in developed countries in the west, people commit crime but how many run away?This is the only lame excuse advanced by people who are not learned and lack information and do not see the advantage that this can bring to Zambia.You talking about crime as though the is full of criminals than good people.

98. Useless reason for suggesting the exclusion of dual citizenship. I am sure Chipenzi has never heard of the term “extradition.” Besides most of the criminals Chipenzi should be worried about are those fighting for political office in Zambia, who are the majority of times disappointing the Zambian electorate.

99. Ba Chipenzi naimwe…yah. I think you need to study some law to make informed comments. How can you lead FODEP with limited data? Advice – don’t comment before consulting. Why do you think developed countries embrace dual citizenship? There’re are many benefits than those fears your are entertaining. It also allows people that have intermarried across boarders to fully participate in civic duties. When you steal in Zambia, you will be considered a thief in Sweden, and where your residence is, that’s the country that takes first criminal jurisdiction over you. It’s very easy to hand you over. There is no need to fear and certainly no need to scrutinize anything about the proposed clause. It’s one of the best pieces in that draft. Read some international law to get a better position.

100. Wait a second, maybe that Chipezeni may have a point. People are forgetting that Somalians will never be Zambian, they are Somalians.

101. Only well informed and educated people can undertsand and value the significancy of dual citizenship. And we expect people who the nation has spent so much money in educating to provide decent leadership on this issue.

     Obviously if dual citizenship is put to a referendum , it will be defeated because the majority of the people who vote a Kaponya and to Kaponya it is hard to sell the fact that Dual Citizenship can put money into his pocket.

     This hired Chipenzi and his fellow PF cadres are now towing the criminal line

     This is not Chipenzi or FODEP’s position, remember the first PF government official to comment on Dual Citizeship was Gut Scott in Austraila and his used the same criminal activities line agasinst thsi clause

     Am not surprised

102. Give themuuu…ah. They didn’t know what they were doing when they renounced Zambian citizenship. Now they are crying for it. Kwesu ni kwesu bane. You must be very second class in those countries te? Mmmm… Pa Zed pali lowa mmm ubuchi sweetness swililililili… Isabi lya kocha twaya na ku chifwani mukuchela imbalala. Twaoca na kandolo ninshi akalimba kalelila ku radio one.

     • Imwe ba Watchman over fimofimo ,tamumfwa.u have made my day.”Twaoca na kandolo ninshi akalimba kalelila ku radio one.” hahahah

103. Only Mushota should be denied being Zambian again! She has insulted Zambia too much.

104. Only Mushota should be denied being Zambian again! She has insulted Zambia too much. Visit http//www.zambianconstitution.org and speak your minds imwe ba diaspora. Mwa voka sana.

105. How do you think other countries with such a clause enshrished in their constitutions deal with such matters? Do not be narrow minded, FODEP! Think widely.

106. Just note that as soon as you accept dual citizenship you cannot be president of Zambia. You cannot have your cake and eat it ba makaka.

     • You don’t have to be a president to contribute positively to nyour country, mumbwe iye!!!

107. Those seeking some ‘light’ entertainment on how South Africans are faring with dual citizenship can look up a site called word travels and go to southern Africa pages. Guaranteed chuckles at some of the cough cough ‘predicaments’ over dual citizenships and expired (tossed away) passports. Panic, mayhem, outright criminality, dodginess, naïveté, drama, thrills and spills from those who forget they are confessing online. It’s pretty new for them so much can be learned… Or not :) Highly entertaining break promised… Can I post a quick link to one? Hypnotising the moderator. Sleep. Sleep. Sleep….

108. Hahaha. Mod won’t sleep…. Ah well. 

109. What these guys are forgetting is that even if someone just has permanent residence they can still run away like Henry Banda who has permanent residence in RSA. But for others they don’t need citizenship or permanent residence to run away. In fact crooks run to a country where they are least expected to run away to.

     • You’re 100% right. Mr. Chipenzi did not do his homework or is just leader who has nothing to offer or contribute to Zambia, but boast that he is a leader. His mouth is loose, He talks about what come with no thought or very little thought. He should tame is to—–.

110. FODEP & Mr. Chipenzi should shup up if they have nothing sensible to talk about. This could be the start of the fall of FODEP because of the leaders like Mr. Chipenzi. I wonder whether He consulted others within FODEP. If that is a stand for FODEP, then we don’t need it, it is retrogressive and dangerous to Zambia, Does Mr. Chipenzi know that our colonial master who installed one chitizenship has moved to dual or multiple chitizenships? Does he even know the reasons? Does Mr. Chipenzi know that if you are a Zambian Citizen and acquire a second citizenship, if you committe any bad or terrible thing you will be deported to your orginal country? So the second citizenship acquired does not hold much water. Therefore, there is no one who can stop me from coming from my original country.

111. this is one reason Zambia has failed to develop. when you have fools like Chipenzi the country goes backwards instead of catching up to South Korea or Malaysia. what a fool to be leading a political party.

112. mwe ba tonga mwachilamo everything ku chita oppose guys change

113. FODEP should consult or find out from the Zambian Government. One Zambian white doctor who acquired a second citizenship in one of the countries in North America was deported for having done some bad thing between 2002-2004. So what I am saying is that the second citizenship does not even hold water. If I want I can give up my second citizenship and I will be forced or deported to my orginal home. I won’t be stateless. Or I can do a bad thing and be deported to Zambia. The dual citizenship should not even go to refendum, it will be the waste of money. The truth is this the Zambian Government cannot stop any orginal Zambian from coming back. You cannot deny the right of a person if he decides to come back to Zambia. There are so many Zambians who acquired another citizenship, are back.

114. FODEP should have looked at the statistics. At least 95% who run from Zambia are not people with permanent residents ( or ‘dual citizen’). FODEP check the statistics. You ‘are a Party founded on the sand. Yaping yaping is a order of the day .

115. Bull shite from fodep

116. :-?This Man is mad! He has lived in Zambia his whole life and his thinking is corroded(Umwana ashenda atasha nyina ukunaya) These are are the retogressive minds which must be mopped- Kalaale iwe naumfwa utulo, leka abalelolesha balandepo! Nshilefwaya nkakusange pamupando wa butungulushi nganaisa ku ZED uleumfwa iwe! Taumona fisuma uye fye mu kwela isabi!

117. His attitude reflects that held by many Zambians who are suspicious and jealous of the many people that have dared to work outside the country. This sort of thinking is retrogressive to say the least. Many countries in the world are fighting hard to attract skilled migrants and Zambia should join that que. We should strive not only to attract Zambians that left, but also other nationals who can contribute. Just changing a stupid law in this case will bring some benefits but even that is not enough, looking at how much damage has been done to our education system and knowledge base in the country.

118. Ghana, Nigeria South Africa all West African francophone countries have dual citizenship. Why should a kid born and raised in the UK, wish to have a Zambian passport and not a UK passport with all its benefits? You expect Charles Musonda’s kids or Kalusha’s kids to give up European passports and start struggling for visas? What about kids of Zambians married to foreigners?
     Let people have dual

119. Choose today. Zambian or not. Don’t be DOUBLE DOUBLE. Dual is TOTAL CONFUSION.

120. Wonders why they only get 2 votes! Pathetic argument!!

121. His name is not CHIPENZI, it is CHIMPANZEE!

122. If certain people have nothing to talk about they must keep their bicks shut. Of all the the things regarding dual citizenship some one has to come up with a stupid idea of crime. Zambians who live in the diaspora do not want to leave countries of their second nationality to commit crimes in Zambia. What sort of crime? The advantages of dual citizenship out weighs the disadvantages. Do your risk assessment first before you open your mouth. Honestly is that the only reason why you do not want dual citizenship? I can assure you that the only diaspora Zambians who want to return home are the ones with the money and those without would still want to live in Europe. I do not think these entrepreneurs would want to get involved in petty crime.Big Zambian thieves have fled without a tress.

123. We all know who the thieves are?……..our politicians. Busy creating commissions to waste our much needed resources, instead of stiffening the law….! for instance… abuse of office….20 plus years, no bail…..we can see who has the guts to steal. If you cant do the time, dont do the crime. Zero budget, all we need are a bunch of serious minded individuals in parliament to enact the laws. Advise this dull chap to look at the current Kenyan constitution.

124. Obviously this guy lives on a secluded island where globalisation has not touched !!! I never knew we still had such dull people in Zambia. Get a life and get an education. Have you ever heard of interpol??? Let me not even waste my breath !!! Just know that this thing is going ahead whether you like it or not. Besides, its for you own good !!! That organisation you have formed, you are embarrassing yourself ! Look around you, the countries that have dual citizenship are way ahead of Zambia, Why ??? Stew in that !!!!! lol !

125. Dear Patriotism,
     I think you where born in Zambia and you do not know how developed are the countries abroad.Dual citizenship does not mean to chose between two countries. All what we want to show you is that by obtaining dual citizenship we can help you to enjoy what we are appreciating from our developed countries. We love Zambia thats why we want it developed by having freedom to stay and invest in our country. Dear Patrotism world is much more better that Zambia, but Zambia has to grow from where it is now.

126. what a numpty! At the moment, one cant get british citizenship with point on the license or any drivind offense. It even more difficult to travel with a criminal offense. This chimp guy is stupid

127. I can’t help but think that this is somehow related to Henry Banda. Be that as it may, there are MANY things in the constitution that can be exploited, yet we still have them. like giving NRCs to citizens. Yet we see tonnes registering when elections are close.
     WE WANT DUAL CITIZENSHIP.
     Fighting crime is the police’s problem. How GRZ achieves this Dual Citizenship is their home and the reason they are in office.

128. Is this statement coming from a normal person?

129. When the Great North Road was being tarred, the Northern Rhodesia government sensitised chiefs along the way about the merits of the project to transportation and development. One chief, [name withheld] objected to the project on account that tarred roads wore down bicycle tyres faster!!! lol

     • Is this true? Hahahahahahahahahah! you cracked my ribs man. Ati “tarred roads wore down bicycle tyres faster”—-funny!!!!!

130. Dear Blogger -Mudala,

     You have given  more than a reason to make any sane make sense of why we should dual citizenship ….

131. I really dont care what they do, im finding more and more my zambian passport is actually holding me back and making travel difficult around the world, i dont mind it expiring and putting it aside. I have zambian reg and thats forever so i can always get passport even if its in 50 years time. Na vitundu vamene tiziba, na minzi zatu ti ziba, bazatikanila bwanji mapassport tikabauza kwamene makolo batu banachoka.

132. FODEP and its people should shout their mouth and shout it up if they have nothing to say or contribute, dont express how low you are in thinking. Go back to school and educate your self and get understanding.

133. ubupuba bubi ,,, No wnder u r chipanzi no reasoning

134. From the comments I believe most people are saying dual citizenship will bring development and investment to the country and also bring lost educated people back into the country. Looking at the torn of the comments and insults from Zambians living abroad makes me think there is more to this than we know. Do the Zambians abroad just interested to eat with both hands in the name of whatever reasons they have given? Personally I have decided to vote against this because our foreign Zambians are not being honest. I have worked in SA and the US but money makes more sense in Zed. The whites just pay u enough to pay rent and buy expiring food.

135. wooow this is the most stupidest reason i have ever heard. shut up!!! if you dont have sensible things to say please!!!

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