The opposition MMD in Lusaka province has joined calls for the party leadership to rescind its decision to expel the nine (9) Members of Parliament serving in the Patriotic Front (PF) government.
The party says expelling the nine MPs is not a solution to the issue at hand but that the leadership should instead engage President Michael Sata to dialogue over the appointments.
MMD Lusaka province Information and Publicity Secretary Austin Bota told ZANIS in Lusaka last evening that the party in the province is concerned with the threats of expulsions by party president Nevers Mumba.
Mr. Bota said the expulsions will affect the party in terms of numbers in parliament as there is no guarantee that the MMD will retain all the nine seats in an event that there are by-elections.
“It is not possible that our party will win all the nine seats if we go for by-elections, we lost Chongwe and recently Chama North, it will be another minus from our numbers in parliament,” said Mr. Bota.
He appealed to party president Nevers Mumba to use the process of consultation with the government as a means of harmonising the issue of MMD Members of Parliament being appointed to serve as deputy ministers in the government.
MMD president Nevers Mumba on Friday announced at a press briefing that his Members of Parliament serving in government should resign from their positions or risk being expelled from the party.
But the MMD Lusaka Province Information and Publicity secretary pleaded that the party president should seek dialogue over the matter as the party stands to lose if the nine Members of Parliament are expelled.
He noted that the appointment of opposition members of parliament by President Michael Sata to serve as deputy ministers is backed by the constitution and that it is not new.
“The MMD has done this before starting with President Levy Mwanawasa, then President Rupiah Banda, him it was even at the level of a Cabinet Minister with Mkhondo Lungu, so it is not new”, said Mr. Banda.
However, MMD president Nevers Mumba has said that there are no conflicting statements from his party regarding the warning he gave to nine MPs serving as Deputy Ministers. Dr Mumba said that party members issuing conflicting views on the matter do not have the blessing of the party, as only the party National Secretary or Spokesperson has the authority to speak on behalf of the party.
His comments come in the wake of conflicting statements from some sections of the MMD on the nine MPs.
The party in Eastern province has supported the decision to expel the MPs, while in Lusaka party members have called on the leadership to rescind its decision to expel the nine Members of Parliament serving in the Patriotic Front government.
ZANIS
Too many job seekers nobody is bigger than mmd after all,expel them .wast more of our money for your personal gain.
The MMD cannot even be compared to the Titanic under Nevers because the captain in Titanic sinks with the boat. If you check Nevers cabin, you will be suprised how many life boats and jackets are there.
Mumba, as a professed Pastor you should read your Bible: A house that is fighting against itself cannot stand. This call is self inflicted and pride comes before the fall. How can you be too proud to acknowledge that only 1 out 9 MPs were appointed during your tenure as MMD president elect. Also that you were once appointed and fired without consultations. In addition, you dumped NCC without consultations. Remember you are just a head figure of MMD, it is not definite that you will be adopted to stand for president of the republic at the convention to be help before 2016 polls.
Be Real Ba Mmd, you will remain ten MP’s before you realise it. just build and consolidate your support than fighting what will not help the party but make it more unpopular. court cases will drag on and on till the term ends. ask FDD and PF.? ITS OF NO USE BUT IF THEY START UNDER MINING AND DECAMPAIGNING THE MMD THEN YOU CAN EXPEL THEM. ALSO DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO BE PART OF NEC THATS ALL COZ THEY MAY END UP LEAKING party strategies to the ruling party.
The bush doctor you an ***** and anyone else. You know why? How can you support the chief political prostitute himself. Mumba’s record is smeared by the same. In case the preacher man has forgotten that not talk about someone’s log when you have a speck in your own. It is unfair for someone, especially this political prostitute/opportunist to stand firm on something he has repeated done in career. If it was someone else, maybe but not Nevers!!!! NO! NO! Who does he think he is. The other thing is MPs are not to serve Nevers nor President Sata but their constituencies regardless of status or affiliation. Therefore, they shld all be able to make independent decisions.
Shame on you Nevers Mumba. I wonder if you were really a pastor or you just wanted to make money. God will punish you.
By the way you really have wrong messages for the people: Once you preached that “Zambia Shall be Saved”. Meanwhile Zambia was Saved even before it was formed. Jesus Saved Zambia over 2000 years ago at calvery. Yet you still think Zambia’s salvation is yet to come. No wander, like Pharoah, God hardened your heart and you neglected the pulpit so that you are exposed. Now we know the true you. You do not have Zambia at heart. Let the Zambian leaders be. They were elected by people as MP and there is no leader appointed without the hand of God. Whoem do you serve? Let God’s people be. Most of them were in MMD before you were poached to join.
What have we done wrong to God in Africa for us to continuously be blessed with fools for leaders. This guys decision is a no Brainer Zoooona!! he is creating unnecessary fighting he should be using these MPs to influence GOV and get insider information as to what SATA is up to. Instead the fools chooses to start a needless, unnecessary fight them.
expel them now and we will adopt them
MUMBA A DAY DREAMER
This man is an embarrassment. Really causing unnecessary strife. What a foolish leader.
Mumba has always been an *****, so silly that he is not even able to read his down fall.
Honestly, asking Mumba to “engage Michael Sata to dialogue over the appointments is plain madness because it is common knowledge that Sata does not listen to anyone, including his perrenial doormat, Kaseba. It is also a very simple matter for anyone who has done simple secondary school civics in Zambia to understand that if you are an opposition MP and you get appointed as a minister, you can never vote against government motions in parliament and outside because of the doctrine of “Collective Responsibility”. Such is the nature of the beast, these MPs cannot have their cake and eat it, no. They should either quit their ministerial portfolios and remain in opposition or resign, recontest and let Sata re-appoint them, simple.
Dr. Mumba is right. These people thinking that losing those MPs to PF is folly shouold think twice. It’s better to have 20 disciplined MPs than 50 of whom 10 are indisciplined. This is the way it should be. Even Sata complained about Rebel MPs. Please, stop insulting Nevers when you do not even have anything to say. “Failure, political prostitute, failed pastor etc..”. Mwakula shani imwe (How did you grow up)? Insults beget insults.
Well spoken.
When Sata was expelling rebel MPs he read the mood and moved with the people. Honestly has Nevers read the the mood of the people, his party? Or is he just bbeing pulled by strings behind the curtain by Dora & RB. The finanaced his ascendancy to MMD presidency.
So far there is sufficient advice (good counsel for that matter) from all blogs. If Nevers Mumba has good leadership skills he will do the right thing. Can only wait and see what he does next.
# 1 There is no reasoning in your thinking
IT IS NOW OFFICIAL: DORA SILIYA HAS TAKEN LEAVE OF ABSENCE AND MMD HAS APPOINTED BOWMAN LUSAMBO AS ACTING PARTY SPOKESPERSON, SO LISTEN TO WHAT DIE HARD IS SAYING…HA HA HA…LOLEST…NEVERS THE BIGGEST JOKE AND CLOWN!
#14 There are more benefits in being civil when driving a point, however ir/relevant. Else just one word may spoil what good thing you have to say.
MMD THATS YOUR PRESIDENT!! JUST EMBRACE YOUR FOOLISH PRESIDENT. HOW DO YOU ELECT A CONMAN FOR PRESIDENT?
What’s the point of having numbers in parliament if you cannot utilise them to your own benefit? It’s nnot a coalition ggovernment.
The government has stolen MPs from MMD. Mwanawasa was equally wrong in doing what the PF government has perpetuated. Such maneuvers breed corruption, dishonesty and unnecessary tensions or frictions.
Let these wwrongs bbe corrected. IIf a sitting government wants tto appoint oopposition MMPs let there bbe collaborations wwith the opposition parties hhierarchy.
MMD under Mwanawasa killed Heritage party and Brig. Gen. Miyanda’s political fortunes by poaching all its MPs into govt.
Today Nevers is really nervous at the prospect of facing the same political demise. The trouble is it (MMD) set a horrendous precedent and today its paying for its temerities…. Talk of tasting your own concoction
Kulekwamyo Kapyololo at 13, you can also be in the opposition and approve the governnment’s motion, that is democracy. When Bill Clinton was facing impeachment, some Democrats voted for impreachment because of their beliefs and respect for their electorates whilst some Conservetives voted against impeachment and saved Bills face!
Nevers is a failure and must never be trusted.The mmd has made a very big mistake by electing Nevers as its leader.Why are people so forgative?This man abandoned his church,formed a party and also abandoned it.What makes the mmd supporters think he wont abondon the mmd?These are signs of failure,the mmd must wake up or else this man will drive it into political oblivion.Nevers please stop dreaming that you can bring back mmd into power again,not under your ledership.We have not forgotten who you are.You are a political prostitute and a hipocrete!
Goldie was evicted, am so happy. Ifyama politics fyenu ifyo!!!!!!!!!!!!! I watched Shamenda ystnite on ZNBC. Awe sure thez politics…………!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#23 EX ZIT, I also watched Shamenda on MUVI TV & ZNBC, awe sure nika comrade ka mudala…
Helo ..please stop insulting Mumba. What we want is him to fire these 9 MPs so that Sata adopts them there by making PF bigger by 9 MPs. Viva Mumba.
DR Mumba should read the mood of the people in the country, if MMD is divided that even makes it serious. This is what led to MMD loosing elections last year, not listening to the people.
Dr Mumba is doing the MMD business the wrong way. The fact is, he has never played good in politics, and now he is destroying the MMD. Rest in peace MMD.
MMD needs to look at getting rid of politicians like Nevers & Co. to rebrand itself. The MMD needs absolutely new names, frankly, politics in Zambia are becoming all the more disgusting with the same names being flaunted around and individuals being employed regime after regime. As much as I respect some policies from both the MMD & the PF, I really think both parties do not know how to create jobs (in their defence, almost no African government knows how to), they both do not know innovative ways of thinking and almost exclusively, the parties are filled with so much tribal orientation and kow- towing!!!!
VIVA SHAMENDA
Most scumbugs here insulting President Mumba are the fired MMD Mps, their children, wives and their prostitues. Why are they jittery kanshiiiiiiii
This Information Publicity Secretary is just sponsored by PatrIck Ngoma we know the manouvers but my question to BOTA is, what losing are you talking about in Parliament when already these people dont even vote with opposition in Parliament these are the turncoats who voted for MUTEMBO CHITO WHO SI ENEMY of people by chewing K18 BILLION HE OWES DBZ with his friend FRED MEMBE so what losing is this *****s talking about what benefits MMD is getting from these Deputy Minister MPs when even the monthly contribution K1,500,000) they pay it to PF. Let this BOTA ask Hon. Masumba when did he last pay his monthly contribution to MMD and to whom does he pay it, dot just talk on things you dont have information on ask and you will be given information
I support Mumba because SATA had made these Deputy Ministers become big headed and have no respect to the party. Those against the suggestion should advise the concerned MPs to be level headed and show some respect to the party.
Suppose it were PF MPs behaving in the same manner, what could CNP do? These are the issues CNP avoiding to confuse these hungry MPs.
Let them be expelled, their numbers in Parliament is not an issue at all.
I support Mumba because SATA had made these Deputy Ministers become big headed and have no respect to the party. Those against the suggestion should advise the concerned MPs to be level headed and show some respect to the party.
Suppose it were PF MPs behaving in the same manner, what could CNP do? These are the issues CNP should be avoiding to confuse these hungry MPs.
Let them be expelled, their numbers in Parliament is not an issue at all.
fire them all..PF will lose all the seats..thats a guarantee..
I EXPELLED MYSELF FROM MY PARTY WHEN MWANAWASA APPOINTED ME AS VICE-PRESIDENT. WHY CANT’ I EXPEL THESE MPS?
#13, thank you for the insight. Just understanding the facts or rules of engagement as you have put it makes me understand what all tehj chongo is about.
Well, at the end of the day they have families that they want to take care of so on a personal level, hah, they will want to keep working-o! They need money! Too bad, but they should haveconsidered these before they took the posts, i mean the implicaitons to the party agenda when it comes to votes in the house but like any one, jobs are hard to come by and one needs to eat and support their family financialy.
plse Nevers fire them infact they are letting down.pf now can do anything coz of u money lovers.
it is a shame to see that leaders are puting their egos ahead of the national interest,i think the the apointtement of opposition mps in goverment will benenfit the party and the nation as all. w
Too many advisors. What is the benefit of having mps who are paying allegience to another party? People please, think. We need a strong opposition for Zambia to develop.
Shameless Mumba! Just jelous and Petty! You lost two seats in the recent bye- election. What makes you think you will win all the 9?! Think Man think!!!
Dr Mumba don’t operate the party as if it is a church. In church people say “it is better to have few trusted members than a batch of untrusted members”. In politics it is not like that, they are looking for big numbers. So if you want to lose popularity go for smaller numbers.
Former pastor, Nevers Mumba says “Zambia, O, MMD shall be shaved”
When MCS was expelling rebel MPs he read the mood and moved with the people. Honestly has Nevers read the mood of the people or even that of his party? Or is he just being pulled by strings from behind the curtain by Dora & RB. The financed his ascendancy to MMD presidency.
@31 Kachasu you are equally a prostitute, probably Mumba’s slut. Don’t you get it, this is not having a relation to any of these MPs. This about the fact that MPs whether in opposition or not should vote and work independently. The reason I called Mr. Mumba a political prostitute is the fact that he is, period. If he were offered to be VP today he would leave the MMD – those are Mumba’s manners. That is why people are saying he is not the right person to even stand firm on something he repeated did. The President should let to appoint who he feels like even Mumba himself.
This topic has different views ,Maybe Dr Mumba should have left the announcement to NEC or the party spokesperson for controversial announcements, maybe he should only be announcing progressive ideas and announcements that will bring the Party together to win those who may have different views.
So sad that in 2012 our so-called leaders continue to have petty squabbles and act like little school boys on the playground, neglecting their duties as representatives of the people and believing they’re the kings of Zambia. Mr. Mumba served as VP of the country after he couldn’t perform in his own one-man show and he gladly accepted the post of VP as a citizen of Zambia. So really, what has changed since?
This fiasco is typical of a “if I’m not Minister, then nobody else from MMD should be” mentality. Instead of making noise about MMD members serving as MPs, he and his cohorts should be presenting their plan on how the country can move forward. Enough with the punk politics.
Zambia deserves far better!
This mumba thing was appointed as vice president when in opposition.so why the change of heart ba pastor.let your friends enjoy also you had your time
Dr. Mumba and his party have set a snare to catch themselves. Eastern Province is of the idea to expel the nine (9) MPs serving in the current government. I cannot be surprised with my cousins it happened even at the time when MMD came into power in 1991 they remained in UNIP! My cousins wake up.
Unless we’re discussing a coalition government or a government of national unity, almost always, if a member of an opposition party accepts an appointment to the government it means he or she has decided to switch parties. The real issue with this approach of appointing opposition members is the concept of Cabinet solidarity.
Continued.
Under the Westminster system, decisions of the Cabinet, once taken, must be honoured by all members of the Cabinet, regardless of their personal views. As Cabinet members are also members of the Parliament, they must vote in Parliament in accordance with all Cabinet decisions. This potentially places a member of an opposition party who is also a member of the Cabinet in an invidious position, namely voting against their party. This is not a problem under the executive model adopted in the US, as Cabinet members are not members of Congress.
MMD WILL LOOSE MORE THAN 5 SEATS.
u wat pipo lets be objective wen dealing with nation issue like Mr mumbas,there is no problem in mumba expelling those foolish 9MPs coz to date they have been voting with the PF and if u recall even the Cobra did the same by calling those who joined MMD as rebels.If the think the can let them just go and let SATAN adopt them and infact the same sata has been creating by election ever since he became President so whats wrong for Mumba to create by election.Believe me you PF cant even get any seat once these MP are expelled.
VIVA MUMBA thast the right move you have made to expel them outrightly coz there are not serving any purpose and let the PF test there popularity .
Infact the should not even challenge it in the courts of law those idoits we shall see them