UPND says that HH has not recognised President Lungu

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‘IT IS DIALOGUE AND NOT RECOGNITION’

The United Party for National Development distances itself from the Times of Zambia headline “HH recognises EL”

The headline in the Times of Zambia is misleading and inaccurate, with an intent to create an impression to the people of Zambia that President Hakainde Hichilema has recognised Patriotic Front President Edgar Lungu as Republican President when actually not.

The statement made by Secretary General of the Commonwealth Patricia Scotland was very clear and it outlined the process of dialogue pursuant to Commonwealth principles of good practice, governance and rule of law.

There was no mention that President Hakainde Hichilema recognised President Lungu as Republican President.

I would like to put it on record that the decision by UPND not to recognise Patriotic Front President Edgar Lungu, as Republican President is not President Hichilema’s decision alone, but it is the position of the entire Party.

UPND is an institution run by different stakeholders who sit and discuss issues and build a party position. President Hichilema is always focused with a conscience and vision to build a better life for the people of Zambia.

He is also on record that he has always been ready for dialogue but that should not be used to mean that he recognises President Lungu as Republican President.

UPND is dedicated to dialogue and am sure Times of Zambia have President Hichilema’s statement and I quote

“I am just a villager from Bweengwa, I did not come here to seek your sympathy, I came here for JUSTICE, you can take that sympathy somewhere else”

To our Colleagues in the MEDIA we understand the environment and the difficulties and the risks you continue to face but it is our earnest appeal that you remain professional and responsible in your reporting which should be guided by your conscious.Remember you have life outside the Media.

To our visionary President Hichilema the political courage you have continued to demonstrate in incarceration brings out your conscientious judgement needed in a leader.

The membership and the world at large eagerly awaits your unconditional release.

Issued by

Ruth Dante
UPND MEDIA DIRECTOR

136 COMMENTS

  1. +26
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    PF media. These cadres we have as journalists where is your professionalism? You will be embarrassed like the way the police service and DPP are being embarrassed everyday in the courts.

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      Edward Jonathan or whatever you call him is bowing down to pressure. He knows he is illegal and hopes for recognition. By saying we put the 2016 election to the past does not mean recognition but that we trace how we got here, bury the hatchets and move forward. Moving forward means doing the right thing, which is removing illegality however shameful it is for PF. FORWARD and not dununa reverse.

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      A Mugole gole would laugh and say, “Baba, Peugeot ne Benz havino phidurana…the case of GBM/Kambwili and HH triage. Time will vindicate.

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      You sacrifice your friends life for political expedience while you are sleeping in the comfort of your beds withyyour wive. Hh willoonlypick up a chronic disease in the ccells and non of you will support his family once departed. Your aforgetting that hh is in prison for a crime he committed which has nothing to do with the life of zambians. Does one need to disobey the law to be seen as fighting for theIinjustices.
      He can remain in prison foras long as he want I careless.

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      @Mama, their professionalism is in their belly, so no surprises what kind of crap they will publish.
      But coming to the issue in hand, my impression is that Ma’am Scotland advised HH for the sake of peace to let the muddy waters pass under the bridge. She clearly respected his decision not to do this and consequently advised then that since the long term challenges are our clearly weak system (the constitution) coupled with a toothless ECZ and Constitutional Court which would forever remain that way as long as the office of the president appointed it’s leadership (again our constitution), she would assist with future constitutional reform.

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      If these buffoons are saying the decision not recognise ecl is the party’s stance , then what are they doing in parliament. Let them stay away from ecls business in parliament as well until they come to terms with reality. If they don’t recognise ecl then they should resign on moral grounds because being a member of parliament one pledges allegiance to the head of state. You can be adopted into the house if you don’t recognise who the head of state is.

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      Edgar Chagwa will make a very grave mistake to release this guy, HH. He will actually regret so much. The entire UPND wants their leader to die in cells so that they can take over his wife and businesses. What sort of people are these, kanshi??? Let him rot in cells!

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      For me a prominent supporter of UPND and HH to recognise Lungu as Zambian president,the following changes needs to take place;
      1. Fire Mumbi Phiri, Kapyongo, Kaiser Zulu, and Amos Chanda for being bad influences on Lungu.
      2. Release HH and all UPND supporters unconditionally.
      3. Arrest all the PF perpetrators of brutality including the police officers.
      4. Remove the state of emergency.
      5.Stop arresting people who are criticising PF and Lungu.
      6. Let all the evidence of electoral malpractice be heard in an open court.
      7. Stop the abuse of POA.
      8. Allow people to protest and assemble freely.
      9. Allow media houses to air dissenting views without intimidation.
      10. Uphold the rule of law.
      11. Let Judges be appointed by parliamentary select committee comprising equal representation…

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      11. Let Judges be appointed by parliamentary select committee comprising equal representation from all parties. Each judge to get 2/3 simple majority for him/her to qualify. Constitutional court, High court and supreme court judges ‘s terms to last for 2 years only. Each Judge to serve a maximum of 10 terms. After selection they can then be sworn in by the Chief Justice not the president. Chief Justice to be elected by 2/3 majority vote in parliament.
      12. ECZ chair person and top executives to be selected by a selected by the same selected committee as judges. Two years office term should apply.
      13. Presidential election petition time limit not to include adjournment days.
      14. IG ,Heads of ACC, DEC, ZRA to be appointed in the same way as Judges and their terms limited to 2years…

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      12. ECZ chair person and top executives to be selected by a selected by the same selected committee as judges. Two years office term should apply.
      13. Presidential election petition time limit not to include adjournment days.
      14. IG ,Heads of ACC, DEC, ZRA to be appointed in the same way as Judges and their terms limited to 2years .
      15. Presidential age limit on nominations day to be limited at 65 years.
      This not too much to ask for a better Zambia.

      FreeHH now.

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      Wanzelu,
      You are a nobody. HH will die in prison is you start making preconditons for dialogue. My personal view is that ECL should not agree to meet HH until HH recognises him as president of Zambia. Failure to that let HH rot in Mukobeko

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      THE QUESTION IS WHO CARES IF HH AND UPND DO NOT RECOGNISE ECL. THE MAJORITY OF ZAMBIANS HAVE AND DATE-STAMPED BY THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY INCLUDING THE COMMONWEALTH AND THE UN. IN 2021, AGAIN THE MAJORITY OF ZAMBIANS WILL VOTE AND RECOGNISE ECL WHILE HH AND THE TRIBAL UPND CONTINUE DREAMING.

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      The UPND may be free to say that they still don’t recognise Lungu as president, and that may be their democratic right.

      But that position should not lead them to break the law.

      Whether or not one recognises Lungu as president, when you break the law, the law will visit you.

      Those of you who recognise Lungu as president if you break the law, the law will visit you.

      Those of you who dont recognise Lungu as president if you break the law, the law will visit you.

      In the eyes of the law there lies no advantage on either side.

      Let not your recognition of Lungu as president cause you to break the law.

      Similarly, let not your lack of recognition cause you to break the law.

      That said, I would recommend that we all choose a position that is less likely to cause us to…

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      YOU HAVE A FEELING HH IS JUST PONY IN THE UPND POLITICAL FIGHT OR RUTH DANTE DRIVES THE SPIRIT OF CONFUSION IN UPND – TODAY MAKES 360 DAYS SINCE WE CAST THE DECISIVE VOTE AND 4 YEARS TO GO IN READINESS TO 2021 POLLS – UPND IS STILL IN REVERSE GEAR.
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      So Ruth who do you think HH wants to dialogue with. Mr. Lungu or President Lungu. This is why I say that this ev.il packed disorganised political grouping called UPND has numerous faces. It has managed to put together personalities with divergent interests. That’s why Zambian must not a make a mistake of putting it in a the driving seat. Poor HH’s soul is weakening but Goons wants to push on with their arrogance despite international counselling. SAD.

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      I see @Mushota is vividly absconded her viral verbiage as she learns how to spell and correct grammatical errors by reading children’s fable tales!

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      THIS IS CONFIRMATION HOW FULLISH UPND ARE. TO HEIL WITH THE WHOLE LOT.
      SO HOW DO YOU DIALOGUE WITH INREASONABLE TRIBALISTS.
      ECL IS PRESIDENT OF ZAMBIA FULL STOP..

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    Kiki I told you that wait and watch his words after he relieves himself.
    Problem with upnd is that they make their decisions based on the bloggers comments.
    This party will never mature because they think that populariry of a party is on social media. Bloggers don’t vote.

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      You are not the oval head but empty head? are you not living in Zambia? Your party didn’t win the elections going by the manner they are panicking.

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      HH is really living in the past with so much Anger and Aage. So he will go into 2021 still wasting his breath about this last notion.

      Every body that came to monitor elections say he lost. He is the only soul that sees things different. Al Gore by was duped George Bush the put the country first. Even Hillary Clinton was compromised, she won the popular vote, but she respect the USA Electoral College System. But aside what Trump did to undermine elections with the Russians.

      In HH’s case , he simply lost.

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      Did you ever wonder the meaning of Dununa Reverse? What a genius piece of artistic musical melody. We say 1 year on ECL is president, they say no HH did not lose. Is he (HH) president right now? No he is a political remandee. Why? He still thinks in reverse. What do you mean? He is still crying for a petition. Are you serious, 1 year on? Yes, 360 days on until the next 1440 days. Really? H.e.l.l yes. His mind his tuned to think in reverse. By who? Dununa Reverse singers. You mean JK and colleagues? Who else? I see similar reversed comments on LT. Yes these are UPND goons. They post comments in reverse gear. Ruth Dante is the chief architect. The party has gone to the D.O.G.S. I rest my case, the curse on UPND is strong beyond redemption.

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    Rubbish; TZ was a real paper during KK’s time; now everyone knows that HH was arrested by Lungu for not recognising him and not for the so called traffic offence which they planned; Lungu is pure evil and a deceiver of Christians; we welcome the dialogue;hope Lungu changes and dismisses his thugs like Kaizer; Kanganja and Kapyongo who gave money to PF cadres to torch City market and blame it on UPND;

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      “TZ was a real paper during KK’s time”

      I disagree. Both TZ and Daily Mail have always been garbage, propaganda tools that KK abused. Do you recall these papers used to report only about KK even when he had gone overseas for weeks he was headline news every day. On each and every page including the sports and classifieds, there was some item about him. The editor-in-Chief was always a political appointee and had to be a sycophant of repute.

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      @Wantashi I’m getting extremely worried because people will say and support anything as long as it’s against their perceived enemy. Such a trend is a sign that people are not being honest. ..even to themselves. It’s a matter of the result is more important than the method used.

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    Pride and utopia are killers of destiny. If Chagwa is not President of Zambia with all executive powers to make constitutional decrees within that office mandate, then who is the Zambian head of state you expect will act on some issues discussed with Mrs Scotland? Who signs bills of reforms into enacted laws? Someone in this UPND ranks is just exploiting the fate of Hichilema to build his own footprint in the party. Not a surprise that there is a rash for wishful alignments. A Mugole gole would laugh and say, “Baba, Peugeot ne Benz havino phidurana…the case of GBM/Kambwili and HH triage. Time will vindicate.

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      Junior Citizen nkala Che pansi wakolewa. Even someone who rises by the barrel of the gun can do all the things you say but that does not make him legit. ECL imposed himself on the Zambians and reality has now struck him that such cannot be condoned. Thank the civil approach of the UPND who resorted to the Judiciary to make the self declared president to realise his folly. Patience pays.

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    Why always crying for recognition if truly won? Chiluba never did. Neither did Levy who believably lost to Mazoka. Nor will Uhuru Kenyatta cry to Odinga for recognition. Of course Kenya’s elections are well handled: 1 day voting & 2 days counting, tallying and winner declared within two days yet registered voters @18m are 3 times more than Zambia’s.

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      Upnd can say whatever they want but the fact still remains that ecl is president of the Republic of Zambia. It will never subtract anything from the office he holds. Ms Scotland was clear when she said hh has accepted to move forward by forgetting last year’s elections. If if it was not about that then she just her time talking to that buffoon. The bishops are the ones who said he is ready for the dialogue same as shrek obasanjo but scoland was above that. The meeting with scoland was about accepting the fact that he lost and ecl won period. Let him stay in mukobeko and see what will happen to his health afterwards.

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      ECL is not even recognized by himself and his wife. The inner circle knows ECL did not win that is why they don’t respect him. He is surrounded by people who propped him up and told him that they will ensure he is declared. He can’t discipline anyone because they know he lost twice. He is grasping at straws to get recognition. The only comfort is in foreign countries where they call him President of Zambia. At home we call him Chagwa the illegal.

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    This is where UPND gets it wrong. The process of dialogue and reconciliation has started and you want the Under 5 toddler to remain in jail. How do you disregard the works of Obasanjo, Catholic Bishops and Commonwealth SG?
    Have a heart Ruth Dante. Mutinta’s husband is rotting at Mukobeko.
    (HH) will fire you, his brain is no longer functional.

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      Their work was not to campaign for recognition. Their work was to tell Lungu that he has been unwise. ECL was not supposed to cry for recognition so much that the entire state machinery has shifted its objectives and prioritises ECL recognition as a national duty.

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      You don’t force people to recognize you or respect you. respect and recognition is earned and NOT FORCED ONTO PEOPLE. lungu must concentrate on running this country and not concentrate on FORCING PEOPLE TO RECOGNIZE him (Lungu). We have a very wrong person at the helm of this nation and we must not pretend that we don’t have a problem.

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    This issue about ms Scotland and her story is still live on LT. Just scroll some pages down and will read what she said and the comments we all made. Upnd members are happy that their dictator is caged and now is time to push for intra party elections without interference from the tongas.

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    Bwafya sana. Bushe Upnd ngatalailuka ukuti ECL ni president uwo Lesa atupela tinshi katwishifyemweeee. Whether you like it or not ECL is the president of the Republic of Zambia and beyond 2021.

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    So, in what capacity will HH dialogue with ECL if not in ECL’s capacity as Head of State and Leader of PF. The writing is clearly on the wall that HH is recognising ECL as President if he shows willingness to dialogue with him. One wonders where the UPND’s denials on a straight forward matter as this one will take them.

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    @mama Ba Upnd you are in the minority you only won in three provinces and have only a handful of MPs in parliament and you claim you are popular. Your ka god HH is in jail and there has been no uprising except for cowardly acts of arson by Upnd cadres give us break you dunderhead

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      …true Mambwe, Article 77(4) :The quorum for a meeting of the National Assembly shall be one-third of the Members of Parliament. PF can run parliament alone, not their fault but an incompetent, vindictive and outright useless opposition!!!

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    The Commonwealth SG Never said forget about 2016 Election Results. The Election Dispute and the Petition will be addressed thru Dialogue. U cannot reform ECZ without knowing its weaknesses. To know ECZ weaknesses the Petition has to be heard. We want to know how Chavula hacked the ECZ Servers and manipulated the figures in favour of Lungu. We want to know how ECZ announced Election Results without Source Documents (Gen12)? U can’t know these ECZ weaknesses without hearing the Petition. The Petition has to be heard by an Independent Court or Tribunal so that we know what exactly happened in 2016. In Kenya EIBC has investigated the hacking and rigging claims b4 announcing Final Results. In Zambia ECZ did not do this and this must be corrected without Fail.

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    If underfive agreed to forget the past, how else could any sensible person interpret it? You have to be a true UPNDonkey to see things differently from sensible people.

    Patricia Scotland went to Mukobeko with one message: there is a President in Zambia whom the Commonwralth and the rest of the international community recognise and shall deal with in world affairs. You underfive must forget the past and try your luck in 2021. Meanwhile if you have any concerns start dialogue with the President of Zambia so that your concerns ate addressed for the future if they are genuine.

    Response by underfive: I agree to forget the past and start afresh preparing for 2021.

    The rest is semantics and face saving antics by a dejected clique of UPNDonkeys who have not even consulted presidenT…

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      Hehehe

      The PF rat who was exposed for using multiple aliases is having wet dreams..

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    ….The rest is semantics and face saving antics by a dejected clique of UPNDonkeys who have not even consulted presidenT Underfive. If you agree to dialogue and improve the constitution whom are you talking to and who is going to sign the bill? What Patricia did was to get UPNDonkeys agree to participate in constitutional review which UPNDonkeys should have done in the past and not boycott as they did. Otherwise they are wasting oue money to repeat a process whose result they initially accepted because they thought that with 50%+1 they would win.

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    So you UPND dunderheads if you don’t recognise ECL so who are you going to dialogue with?? . And get it thru your thickheads THERE IS NO PETITION . How dull can you get?? Can’t you see whether you recognise ECL or not he is ruling and 2021 is fast approaching

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      What does recognizing and not recognizing ECL mean? Clearly a number of you, especially the usual parrots who rush to contribute standard jargon that doesn’t even need any analysis of the issue at hand don’t even know what they are talking about. Sometimes just listen, read and educate yourself. This mentality of feeling you know it all yourself is dangerous. You easily settle for less than those who always hunger for more knowledge. Small minds always make rush decisions.

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    If I was ECL, I could have immediately stopped this thing of dialogue with the UPND based on political reasons.

    Lungu and the PF would regret ever allowing themselves used by UPND to gain political points.

    If PF is a true political party, they would change their position immediately.

    Don’t dialogue with HH and don’t give him chance.

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    If I were Edgar I wouldn’t waste my precious time on wanting recognision from none persons. You’re in charge of the country why should someone who’s only in charge of cattle bother me. Let anyone commit a crime against the people of Zambia.

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      Kaili thats how dull and petty your Jonathan Lungu is. Very immature, zero strategic thinking and extremely insecure coz one person does not recognise him. If he is that dull what does that say about people like you who still support him? I wonder……

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    I hope the court will adjourn the case to 1st January 2018 without bail. I’m now convinced these Odingas of Zambia are up to no good. By the way today marks one year since the election.

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    UPNDonkeys and their small god need to recognize President Lungu as the Republican President because whether they like it or not, President Lungu is in State House for the next 10 years because we want him there and rightly so.
    UPNDonkeys are curse on themselves because it is very clear that that they worship dark forces. Unfortunately or them, them they are so blind that the cant differentiate between GREEN and red. We dont need UPNDonkeys for us to excel, let them continue rotting and hurting whilst we accelerate development and build the future of children and grand children.

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    Zambia doesn’t need UPND recognition of ECL. What is UPND trying to achieve? Change what you can, accept want you cannot most importantly know the difference. Stupidity is found in violating this simple principle

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      “…What is UPND trying to achieve?…”

      Rule of Law, Democracy, Accountability, end of corruption, freedom from malicious thugs masquerading as ministers……………………………………………………..

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      Why are your masters concerned about being recognised? There is something fishy they did?

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    So ba upnd if Ecl is the Republican President, call Nevers Mumba, mulongoti,Miyanda, saviour Chishimba and ask them to dialogue with HH ,because all these are Presidents ,stop calling political party leaders as Presidents that why they misbehave

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    One whole wasted year for UPND four to go. Its been political blunders one after another, the worst being BURNING OF TAX PAYERS PROPERTY and the most childish and reckless one being the Mongu scandal. What a Party!!!!!

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      …now PF can even campaign that don’t vote for a party that burns your markets and properties…kwekwekwekwekwe…

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      Unpd can also tell the electorate that it is PF carrying arson Attacks to further the SOE.

      The burned market was PF and they lied about 11 suspects…

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      …no spaka, I am in Matero, Kabwata and other compounds regularly HERE in Zambia while you sit in a cabin somewhere in the white man’s land waiting for outlets like watchdog to feed you misinformation. The marketeers, the taxi drivers etc are saying upnd burnt their shops. It will be difficult to convince them otherwise while PF will have a field day pointing that finger at you. PF is busy distributing loans for the affected and mobilising them and they are on the ground helping them while upnd supporters are rushing to Mukobeko to console hh, who looks like they care for them???

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      …no spaka, I am in Matero, Kabwata and other compounds regularly HERE in Zambia while you sit in a cabin somewhere in the white man’s land waiting for social media to feed you misinformation. The marketeers, the taxi drivers etc are saying upnd burnt their shops. It will be difficult to convince them otherwise while PF will have a field day pointing that finger at you. PF is busy distributing loans for the affected and mobilising them and they are on the ground helping them while upnd supporters are rushing to Mukobeko to console hh, who looks like they care for them??

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    The Commonwealth Secretary General Patricia Scotland who has brokered the truce has told a media briefing in Lusaka that the two leaders have WILLINGLY decided to FORGET about LAST YEAR’S ELECTIONS and engage in meaningful dialogue.

    WHAT DOES FORGETTING ABOUT THE PAST MEAN?

    DIALOGUE! ABOUT WHAT?
    IN ANY CASE
    HOW DOES ONE DIALOGUE WITH A PRISONER AWAITING TRIAL?

    NO “recognition’s”
    NO “dialogue” chapwa.

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    Is it by force to want to be recognized, in the USA they are telling Trump: not my president, not my president, but you have never heard him arresting people or even worry about it, why because he knows he was honestly elected. Or you want to admit that in the USA, there is democracy and in Zambia is dictatorship? Only criminals react violently, you tell a thief you have stolen that, he can even kill you for that – the case of PF and ECL.

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    Mealie meal prices down, fuel prices down, Kwacha stable, interest rates down, no load shedding. VOTE EDGAR 2021.

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    Does the loser have to have his BP at normal?
    Olusegano Obasanjo and the Commonwealth Secretary General must be very disappointed’

    The international community knows who holds the instruments of power in Zambia.

    We, normal, Zambian know who the most powerful man in Zambia is.

    History and Civic Education in The tribal land is teaching the children that the 6th President of Zambia is ECL.
    Hakalipa Humwine is still in 2016, leave him there, Zambia has to move and it is moving.

    12 MONTHS HAVE PASSED FROM THE DAY THE PEOPLE VOTED AND WE HAVE EXACTLY FOUR YEARS MORE

    NIPATALI. PATALI. BAKALIPO, EPOBALI

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    To much dependence on someone will always make oneself enslaved by that person, it’s like some bloggers think HH is a messiah who can take them out of the deep waters of poverty. Learn to be independent and by so doing you will have a peace of mind, be like Jehovah witnesses who don’t depend on any politician, all they know is that the betterment of their livelihood can only be achieved by believing and following the Almighty. Why is it that the majority of you guys think HH is a messiah who will take you out of poverty when you yourselves are not doing anything to better your livelihood. HH has a family of his own to think of and they are the ones who enjoys the fruits of his success, how many of you feeds from his pocket?
    Learn to stand on your own, HH is not immortal. Hence Zambia…

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    Why does Lungu badly wants HH’s recognition? Several Heads of State have visited Lungu. Is that not sufficient Recognition? The reason is simple. Lungu knows that he stole HH’s Election Victory and is therefore illegally in State House. Lungu wants to legitimize his illegitimacy without prooving in Court how he won the 2016 Election. If Lungu had won he would have rushed to Court to prove that he won. Lungu is blocking the Petition Hearing becoz he knows he will be found guilty of electoral fraud and abrogating the Zambian Constitution and Electoral Laws. What happened to the Chavula Case? ZPS and ECZ must explain what Chavula was doing in the ECZ Computer Servers? He tampered with Election Results and rigged for Lungu. ECZ , ZPS and Concourt must be held to account b4 they are…

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    In the statement by UPND dunderheads I quote “Our Visionary Leader” I laughed, if he had an ounce of wisdom he should have accepted to be Sata s Vice and today he would have been President

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    Lungu is zeeeee!
    Utubantu r coming to him with agendas & innuendos. He is just looking & listerning. Tumbi meanwhile r clocking days mu mukobeko.
    Lungu does not need recognition from a villager. Aleteka. Bwino bwino chabe!!!

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    The UPND may be free to say that they still don’t recognise Lungu as president, and that may be their democratic right.

    But that position should not lead them to break the law.

    Whether or not one recognises Lungu as president, when you break the law, it will visit you.

    Those of you who recognise Lungu as president if you break the law, it will visit you.

    Those of you who dont recognise Lungu as president if you break the law, it will visit you.

    In the eyes of the law there lies no advantage on either side.

    Let not your recognition of Lungu as president cause you to break the law.

    Similarly, let not your lack of recognition cause you to break the law.

    That said, I would recommend that we all choose a position that is less likely to cause us to break the law.

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      Advice indeed the name fits you. Four years to go and Upnd MPs will continue boycotting parley while PF will be formulating laws unobstructed. Come 2021 Upnd will still be waiting for a petition which will never be.

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      Advise.

      “..Those of you who recognise Lungu as president if you break the law, it will visit you..”

      Don’t be daft.. ..

      did the law visit kaizer Zulu after he assaulted s police woman ??

      Did the law visit the PF thugs who attacked UPND mourners at a funeral ??

      Did the law visit PF MPs who threatened kambwili life in from of lungu at the kangaroo court ???.

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      @32.2 Spaka like lilo,

      You may be daft, but I am not.

      And if you think am here to answer your questions you are mistaken.

      May be you are thinking about someone else, definitely it is not me you have in mind.

      If you think it is me you have in mind then you mind needs help.

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      Don’t worry about Spaka chililala, he welcomes everything anti PF whether it makes sense or not. Amen I tell if Edgar woke up tomorrow and said he was ditching PF to join Upnd, Spaka would still find ways to justify such a move.

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      @3.4 Advice..

      You seem to think there is rule of law in Zambia ??

      Arrestable Crimes committed by the opposition are not crimes when committed by PF…….

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    HH is in prison for a crime he committed which has nothing to do with the life of zambians. Does one need to disobey the law to be seen as fighting for theIinjustices.
    He can remain in prison foras long as he want.

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    TELLING HH TO RECOGNISE ECL IS LIKE TRYING TO SQUEEZE WATER OUT OF A ROCK. THE MAN IS TOO PROUD. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WE SAY: AKAFWA NA “NO”

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    if its not HH to recognise ECL,how ar thy going to dialog?and do u think ECL cn wakeup oneday n say i ddnt win elections?the reason mss scotland is here is to reconcile ECL N HH so that one accept de outcome of 2016 elections.She is not here to convince ECL to share power or realise HH 4rm prison no.She is here to convince HH to acept de 2016 election results n look forward to de coming 2021 elections.And if HH accepts de 2016 results it means he hs also recognised ECL as presdo.

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    My free of charge advice to the UPND is to humble themselves and let the process go through. I’m getting to understand that everybody in UPND seem to be very stubborn. HH can die in jail, ECL wants to let the past go, so is HH. After all these foreign dignitaries came in and dialogue with the two of them (ECL and HH) it’s time to move on. ECL is willing to release him, remember the judiciary in Zambia is broken and ECL owns it, he can do what he wants, right now if he decides to keep him in Mukobeko for another hundred days it can happen. The bembas say ukupoka ichinsenda ku nkonko, kunakilila, so you guys ba UPND nakilileni bola panshi, ngamwateyela bola mumulu, ngo toni (birds) tukangalila kwisa? Zambia is bigger than he two guys (ECL and HH), therefore, let this go and then we can…

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      Let politics be politics. It’s only a game. Don’t turn it into a war. ECL is asking HH to recognize him as the president. Why must that be? It’s like someone who snatched your wife from you, asking you to go and be the MC at his wedding, when he is getting married to your estranged ex-wife, whom you still love dearly. What kind of torture is that? It’s more than adding salt to injury.

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      Imute: No one snatched the country from anyone. People voted freely and let it be as it were announced and declared. This is the problem that Zambiano is talking about. Accept the results and let us have dialogue as advocated by Scotland and let this country move forward and develop. It is like you guys are so happy with lack of development in this country

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      Miya

      More than half of the voting population think lungu is an election theif…..what is so terrifying in that petition that the PF rats fear so much ??? Some thing so bad is in that petition that lungu would rather be caled a theif and rule over a divided country…?? Did the numbers and evidence change after 14 days ?? If the numbers and evidence did not change why not let the UPND carry on with their court to show the nation they have no evidence…??

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      Miya

      In Zambian elections lately, transparency has become a vagabond, rarely seen in public. How good it would have been that, this were not the case. It is not that we care who wins or loses. Our concern is purely for justice and fairness, period.

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    I hope LT will not allow this communication forum to be hijacked, censored and manipulated by enemies of democracy. Sometimes LT has a tendency to block or ban prominent users from the discussion. From her shallow statement, it is clear Ruth Dante is an enemy of UPND and Zambia at large.

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    There is no problem in HH recognizing Lungu, as long as issues surrounding the disputed election results are resolved amicably. As long as the other side feels cheated, it will be very hard to dialogue. Pf, Upnd and Ecz should seat down and figure out what went wrong. However, I doubt if the other part will agree because I believe there was too much dirty swept under the carpet during the elections. That’s why all they want is recognition. But things must be sorted so that the country moves on. Let election materials be revisited so that if Mr Lungu worn genuinely, he should carry on with the good works in peace without him looking over his shoulders. And if to the contrary he did not win, his presidency should be declared now and void and every person that might have been involved in his…

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      Lungu and PF can never revisit the election results ….they know they lost….just look at how the PF rats on LT are so terrified of the word “petition” as if after 14 days numbers changed……

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    Very childish rantings indeed. Who cares if HH does not recognize Lungu as president? He is at liberty to do so but Lungu will ever be His excellency The President of The Republic Of Zambia Mr. Edigar Chagwa Lungu. Your folly and insipid misbehaviour is so disgusting.

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    I VOTED FOR ECL AND I WILL VOTE FOR ECL IN 2021 PERIOD. THIS HH MAN HAS SHOWN PONPOSITY THAT HE CAN NOT RECOGNISE HIS FRIEND WHO BEAT HIM PANTS DOWN IN ELECTIOS. EVEN THE WAY HE CAME INTO BEING PRESIDENT OF UPND ON TRIBAL GROUNDS IS QUESTIONABLE. BOB SICHINGA, SACHIBA SIKOTA AND CHISANGA WERE SIDELINED AS A RESULT OF THEM NOT BEING TONGA’S SINCE 1964 TONGA’S HAVE BEEN HEHAVING THE SAME AND WILL NOT RULE ZAMBIA IF THEY CONTINUE BEHAVING LIKE THIS. FINALLY ECL SHOULD NOT EVEN THINK OF MEETING THIS TRIBAL HH MAN

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    Lusaka Times, be serious! Don’t refer to HH as President, please. Just address him as “UPND leader”. There’s only one President in Zambia, and that’s ECL.

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    I thought we are heading in the right direction with the guidance of Scotland. It seems we are not going anywhere. You want dialogue and not recognition! Granted it was an error. However, you should have just corrected the error and avoid distracting the well meant purpose for Scotland’s visit to these two guys to dialogue. You are still exhibiting traits of bitterness and that will not take anyone of us anywhere in this Country. I hope Kambwili and Musenge are reading these mind sets. Can we be of one accord for once and develop this beautiful country of ours!

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      Spaka: So we would rather continue chasing after the petition and delay dialogue for now until the petition is sorted out?

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      Miya

      No we do not need to continue chasing the petition but we should learn from it in case worse happens to Zambia …….

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    These UPND dunderheads surprise me I don’t know what they will achieve by not recognising ECL when they Mps sit in parliament. Even the initiative by Ms Scotland they think they can call the shots when in this case they are the beggars.

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    Some people conveniently forget that HH is innocent. No trial has taken place. In the meantime the man has been in prison for 4 months. He is representative of many others who are incarcerated without trial or have recourse to proper legal representation. These are the issues. The use of state machinery to punish and persecute without due process. The impunity to disregard some laws when its convenient and to use others in draconian fashion to ‘fix’ people. The creation of an environment of fear, removal of free voices and the stifling and ‘buying out’ of any civil society that points out the wrongs. Its not about recognition of a single human being. There is no leader who is recognized by everyone in the world. In any case, one of the reasons one would want to take your position is…

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      And mr lungu is supposed to be a lawyer ??

      One begins to think he did not lose his law licence and was blacklisted by LAZ as no coincidence…..

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    Just convict him on treason so that every body can keep quiet. He is a law breaker irrespective of the recognition of ECL. He is a bad Egg for Zambia.

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    Whether you like it or not ECL is the president of zambia till 2021,
    came that time it’s Dununa No Change

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    Ba Harold Muna the problem with you UPND dudunderheads is that you think you are very popular and can break the law with impunity all in the name of democracy. Where in the world have you seen a Presidential motorcade being blocked by an opposition leader? Frankly we don’t care whether you recognise ECL or not. Fact he is The Republican President and your is god is a 5 times loser sorry after 2021 it will be 6 times

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    If he is happy that he is President, why is he worried and obsessed with being recognised. It’s like asking your children to reciognise you all the time. Why can’t he move on? He has all the instruments of power? What’s drawing him back to 2016 elections? What does he miss by not being recognised by HH? Just wondering.

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    Let the Law take its course. ECL Should not give in to international pressure as such will compromise the sovereignty of our Nation and its justice system. Naba tumpa ba UPND, it seems even if they dialogue they will never have respect for the presidency.

    This Man has committed crimes against the presidency and the state.
    I wrote on LT that let HH’s Case reach its logical conclusion. The courts must work so as the lawyers representing him. We cant rely on foreigners to be controlling our internal affairs.

    If he not guilty, well and good. If guilty, then must be sentenced accordingly.
    We must learn something out of this.

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    Whether he recognises the President or not means nothing because Edgar will be president and will win the next elections too. You don’t need losers to endorse winners when the Electoral Commission did endorse the winner. This demonic party is dangerous to the peace of this nation.

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    We don’t need him to affirm Edgar! The President lives in State House because he is the president and the loser lives in prison because he committed a crime against the nation of Zambia.

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    If recognition is not an issue why are your valves so hot? Why are u spending. huge sums of money and being so violent mulefufya no tulo? Why dont u just keep quiet to show them that recognition is worthless? Come on show them it does nt matter even if u are not recognized.

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    You can agree to disagree and you cant force a horse to drink water. Its ok to not recognise one who is not legitimate, however, the two have agreed to dialogue and I think thats ok, because one doesn’t want to appear hypocritical. Same kind of behaviour goes on even in developed nations, but at least in developed nations they recognise the difference between a motoring ofence and an offence of severe national threat.

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    So what difference does it make whether HH recognizes EL or not? Fact is EL is occupying the state house. All other arguments are a matter of semantics.

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    Ruth and upnd you are not being sincere with HH.the process of dialogue has started well but you go to issue useless statement. it is not you in prison but your friend please allow the process to go on so that HH can be released. Ruth ,you are sleeping comfortable in your bed with your man on top of you while your friend is in problems. please refrain from issuing such statement. just enjoy your man.

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    You people u surprise me, why should u honestly fight for recognition? Is it a crime not to recognize an individual? There must be something wrong with PF, I find this to be petty jealous

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    Whether or not UPND & HH recognizes Lungu is immaterial coz Lungu was recognized by US, EU and other influential countries so its a non-starter. Stop wasting our time on this matter and allow Zambia to move forward – balimidununa kale guys, just prepare for 2021 that’s all. Good luck UPND & HH.

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    What basis is this Dialogue based on? Why would you indicate a willingness to dialogue when you refuse the democratic outcome of the peoples choice?

    Commonwealth is not recognised by indigenous Brits anyway! It’s just a colonial arm to the past, and is not relevant to us any more. They only use it when they want to tamper with our countries and our governance. It should just be abolished.

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