Opposition Patriotic Front Member of Parliament (MP) for Matero Constituency in Lusaka, Faustina Sinyangwe says she was ready to be expelled by her party leadership for following parliament rules and regulation.Commenting on her decision to participate in the National Constitutional Conference (NCC) despite threats from her party president, Mrs. Sinyangwe said her decision was aimed at serving the Zambian people.
“I would rather die for doing the right thing for the people of Matero,” she said.
Last week, PF president, Michael Sata threatened to expel his 27 MPs for deciding to participate in the NCC because they were going against the party’s stance.
She said her decision to participate in the NCC did not mean she was hating anybody or defecting to another political party but to contribute in producing a constitution that would stand the test of time in Zambia.
She observed that boycotting the NCC would not be beneficial to the country hence the need for her and other PF MPs to participate in the conference.
Mrs. Sinyangwe added that boycotting has never worked positively in Zambia and therefore, it would be pointless to stay away from the NCC.
“We came here to legislate and not for money,” she said noting that the fact the she participated in parliament when the NCC bill was introduced entailed that she should continue with the process until the end.
Out of the 41 PF Members of Parliament in the national Assembly, 27 have decided to participate in the NCC.
Last Friday, two PF MPs withdrew their registration to participate in the NCC after Mr. Sata advised them to resign or face disciplinary action from the party for choosing to sit on the NCC.
The NCC members are scheduled to begin their sittings at Mulungushi International Conference Centre in Lusaka tomorrow.
And earlier in the day, Chief Justice, Ernest Sakala implored members of the National Constitutional Conference (NCC) to embrace the spirit of peace and harmony during the sittings and deliberation of the conference.
Mr. Justice Sakala said peace, harmony and compromise amidst diversity would be important in coming up with a durable constitution that would be accepted by all.
He said NCC members, despite misgivings from certain quarters of society, perform their tasks with impartiality for the sake of the nation.
He was speaking at Mulungushi International Conference Centre today when he swore in over 120 members of the NCC, which is an additional number to the 338 members that took oath last week.
“In your deliberations, serious differences are bound to occur. This will be inevitable. Thus what democracy entails. But you must all cultivate a spirit of give and take. We do not expect 100 per cent consensus, but that there will be consensus. Compromise should guide the proceedings,” he said.
Mr. Justice Sakala further said the NCC members should set an example to the nation that they were united in diversity and that they could produce a document that would be accepted even by those that doubted the process from the beginning.
“I want to say that we have only one country, Zambia. You have been privileged to be given the obligation and opportunity to shape its destiny for now and for the future,” he told members.
He advised the NCC members against breaching the oath they have taken because the oath represented the demands of the nation.
The members swore to faithfully, impartially and fully perform their duties to the best of their ability.
The NCC starts its sitting at Lusaka’s Mulungushi International Conference Centre tomorrow.
And in Livingstone, United National Independence Party UNIP Vice chairperson for Livingstone District LUTHER PEYTON has expressed disappointment at some politicians from Choma and Kalomo for supporting some Patriotic Front Members of Parliament to sit on National Constitutional Conference (NCC).
Mr. Peyton told ZANIS in an interview today that he listened with shock to Sky Forum, phone in program on Sky FM Radio this morning to note that there are still some politicians in the country who do not understand what it is to become a political party member.
He said it is not something difficult to become a political party member because there are rules that guide one as a member of a party, saying once a member fails to comply with those rules, one is automatically fired by that party.
Mr. Peyton said as a member of UNIP, he does not support Mr Michael Sata’s party, but supports his decision of expelling his members of parliament for not adhering to the party’s policies.
He said the PF MPs should not sit on the NCC tomorrow but should wait for the high court’s decision since the matter is already in court.
Mr. Peyton said the expelled PF members have no representation at the NCC hence they should not enjoy not even a single penny hanging at the NCC because they have disobeyed the party rules.
He added that Sata’s move is in the right direction and that people should not blame him but the disobedient MPs who did not want to comply with the party’s regulations.
Mr. Peyton urged the PF leader to remain firm and stick to his principals, adding that people will later learn who is right.
The big money-carrot has washed the conscious of our legislators. Madam Sinyangwe is fooling nobody but herself. She is so ego centric and her interests only go as far as her self. There is no service to the nation at all. Like Justice Sakala has said the future will judge us-the MPs and us the masses for being so docile.
Or is it, ‘I cannot risk K300m for the sake of people of Matero’? Before people figured out how much was involved, they had ‘principles’ and collective agreed not to participate. Now, it is a different ball game – how convenient. The more such MP’s try to justify their action, the more hollow and narrow minded they seem. How sad!
This woman still thinks she is apperaring on that educational programme on TV. She must remember that she was a nobody till PF picked her up from the rubbles of retirement. Never seem a woman so selfish to only think of herself and her immediate children. Let Sata expel them coz he will still retain alot of those seats.
Mrs. Sinyangwe is a virtuous woman that has proved her nobility, patriotism, and vigilance against nihilist that dream anarchy with their useless ego to the size of Texas.
Bravo madam. History and time will never forget your patriotism against tribalists.
I tired of pipo always rambling about the money factor in the NCC participation.WE can analyse and psyco analyse these pipo taking part but the truth is we are not going to change anything. These weak principled pipo did not make themselves who they are but we failed to critically scrutinise them before they become prominet.All we cared about was to politically humiliete the pipo that we did not like, we were ready to go with them thinking this was political victory.
If u do not like MMD then anybody who is against MMD is your friend or if u do not like sata anybody in MMD is your pal, pipo play into that and and get elected. Altimately the masses don’t get good repesentation.This is a double edged swood it cuts forward and backward as long as it keeps cutting foward it will not be effective if you know what iam mean.We can complain all we want but it won’t help change the vicious circle in which we find ourselves.2011 must be about pipo with a record witho
This selfish cheap biaaatch thinks she is all that, eh? At least we know how much she is worth. Sata should get rid of the greedy wolves quickly quickly
if you are for the people donate all your NCC seating allowance to your people in matero, the you will prove as wrong.
Sir Blog alot, any relationship to the rapper Sir Mix-a-lot? l.o.l.
#8 You took the words right out of my mouth. To show that these people are doing this for the good of the people, they should probably donate some or most of the allowance. Alternatively, they should just claim the minimum legitimate expenses. Unfortunately greed is too strong to resist. History will judge these people as harshly. #4 Pragmatist: where does tribalism come in? Is it because this woman stood up to Sata, a member of that ‘awful Bemba tribe’?
Mulongoti wants to make us believe the money is “imprest” for their food and lodging while conducting sittings! Lie, there has been no such body in Zambia or anywhere else where members show up at hotels prior to a constitutional sitting and pay upfront from their wallets. Cabinet office will foot all the bills – travel, lodging, food, clothings and upkeep of ‘Plot 2s’ acompanying the members.
All you Hallucinating fellow PF socialists.Your ideals died with UNIP and Karl Marx.There is no free lunch in a capitalist generation. Every service comes with intrinsic value.No responsible citizen will devote his undivided time to duty for free. If your hallucinating is a free fantasy undertaking, don’t think every noble citizen do that.
#4 Nihilism is a phylosophical belief that nothing has any value, especially religious and moral values. So then how does Ms Sinyangwe bacome virtous and patrioric. You are the biggest pretender man. I have always advised against using useless big words and you called me demented and all. Now you be the judge. Uli shuli iwe. Chainama is waiting. We have done the paper work for you man. We will make sure you are caged before you blog on the LT.
Muntuza (13),
I have been very clear that it is not in my moral codes to gloat over your mental crush in this dispensation.If you have a limited vocabulary and multiple deficiencies, I can only pray for you to progress. I acknowledge that you are in a “comforting fantasy” that your embattled monster Sata will reign.Welcome to politics of dissent, design, strategy and pluralism. Attach sense, realism and moderation to your riotous conduct seemingly invoked by deprivation and vain blogging stint.
Muntuza (13),
Don’t be ashamed,this blog has certainly a substantial count of social counselors capable of handling your bipolar state.Understand that your confusion is a noble level of deprivation and dissatisfaction. Your bitterness, envy and vain dream to drag all to your gutter level domain are from problems created by an impersonal society where it takes special skills to understand “fine prints of life” beyond ordinal education.
Muntuza (13),
Your emotional based decisions at the manipulation of aggressive retards such as Sata have deprived you of the ability to rationally understand realism and stimulus in life hence your frustration and riotous demon on straight talk debaters.I sympathize with you more that your dreams are founded on unbridled comforting fantasy when all is in bold writing that Sata will never ever rule my country over your dead body.
#14 you are just a empty show off. You brag about with big irrelevant words in the vain hope of passing for a scholar of note. I dont possess a limited voca. Iam well read and deep thinker and will use simple words pregnant with meaning to put my ideas across. You are like a Chihuahua that barks too but NO bite. Thats an analogue not a riotous act man. Look for help quickly man.
13,
Mrs Sinyangwe you are belaboring to drag in your domain of hopelessness and armchair criticism is a successful and ingenious Zambian mother by all measurement.While your cadre role is from a point of deprivation and fanatic aimless blogging,Mrs Sinyangwe has been funding your demi god.You have lamentably failed to even organize US$50 for your so called Sata.Mrs Sinyangwe has been pumping in tens of thousands of Dollars.You have no moral or shame to demean her patriotism in your waging tongue
Muntuza (17),
I beat you, your thinking is in a box hence that comforting fantasy you are in. You are unable to catch the fine prints of events.Your problems are very authentic here for any psycho-analyst to spot. Deprivation is a noble level of dissatisfaction. Don’t let it still your life and meaning that has breed you that worthless resentment. Politics and success are on the ground.If you have substance i challenge you to some live publicly watched debates starting 2009 into 2011.
Don’t let it steal your life and meaning
You will go ranting coz thats the best you will ever do. Praising a lady you have a scnt idea of wont help matters. You are an impostor par excellence. Its plain for all to see that you engage in big words the have no relevance to your blogs. You want to sound loud yet you are a nothing-a chihuahua impersonator. Prag my arse.
Muntuza ,
Which article or thought have you placed here that is pregnant with substance? Yours is pure self “comforting fantasy” of a petty deficient tyrant at worst. I challenge you to repost it here. I know per your cry that my sin has been the unwavering assort of tribalists and fanatics you and Sata are.I also understand your collective quagmire and the prevalent hopelessness surrounding your years of political migrations from UNIP,to UDA now PF. All chances have gone to the moon.
Muntuza ,
Empty years of Armchair criticism and insults on the actors of a democratic system can indeed be frustrating is they don’t realize any dream. Welcome to politics of dissent, design, strategy and pluralism. Come 2011, more mandate for MMD and abash PF tribalists you.
Prag
You want to amuse all with your year 7 english. Bombastics. No man, your english is base. You lack eloquence and depth in your blogs. Look man, be fair to your soul and accept that you use big words in the wrong place (#4). You say am average, yeah average but I can spot your wolves coat in sheep’s skin. Its a pity you will not say, yes I misled you there but want to blog till Christ comes. Wake up!
Sata will have to blame if the party crumbles. He is the leader and he failed to give clear direction in this process hence the mis-understandings. As a leader you don`t just threaten your surbodinates of expulsion. When you do that it means you have failed to resolve the state of affairs. You want to bully to prove you are still on the throne. You negotiate and re-negotiate with your people first before making such pronounciations. Sata is proving to be costly in the party.
Read my #1. Its simple to understand. Even my year 2 son read it and understood it. Yours #4 is so full emptiness. One breath you praise Ms Sinyangwe, in the next your lampoon her lack of morals. That is my question Mr Big Thinker. Cant you see how irregular your blog is-classic of bipolar disorder, the ailment you want to lump on me. Thats what is besetting you Mudala. Seek medical help or psycho as you suggested. Sorry, Mwalilwala kanshi!!!
WATTS,
If you rememeber PF and all of the opposition had a common stand when NCC was just on paper. All this confusion has been brought about by the money LPM had promised the delegates. Its not a matter of (re)negotiations but greed on the PF MPs. I agree that their could be other avenues of resolving this in the PF and still be a vibrant opposition to the ruling MMD. The LOVE of money is root of all evil remember.
Mr Sata can you prove to us that you are having a heart of humility. Bending down & listening to even stupid suggestions. Are you for mother Zed or for your own name in this whole thing. The constitution is for everybody. And you are a leader for a period of time not permanent. One day you will leave office so look at this objectively. And you`re catching up with age. Therefore try to listen to the learned and those coming after you. You are not the only well versed with the constitution process
MUNTUNZI#27
Please let us look at the whole matter not just money. We need a better constitution. This is the matter whether there be money or not. And Sata should first look at that. And don`t label all these guys to be greedy. No. They are fighting for what Sata wants. Why doesn`t he allow them to participate by making them his voice? Who shall be the voice of the party if they pull out? And how do you influence decisions when you alienate yourselves? This is Zed we are taling about.
WATTS, for how long are we going to review commission after commission. The work of constitution making was ably done by the three previous commissions. Why another exercixe in futility? Ealier Levy refused to have a CA coz it was gonna be expensive, so whats the jsutification now? Sata means well my friend whilst Levy is bent on raping our democracy by plundering the opposistion.
Muntuza I agree with you and your contribution makes more sense than these bent cadres who are heartless and crued in their ways. It is just them who see everything bread and butter no wonder they make too much noise on this blog.Democracy is almost destroyed by LPM and is worse than Chiluba by Plundering resource daylight causing havoc.Even someone from mental hosp can think better than this govt in terms of priorities.Pipo are dying in hospital due to lack of drugs,equipment and manpower you
Why is it that all the learned PF MPs are on board in NCC & THE DUNDERHEADS ARE OUT.SOMETHING IS THE MATTER
Contd:Give hefty allowances NCC participants.Anyway history will judge them.2011 Year of reckon to those plunders in this govt.
#21 Pls dont to angry with this MAD MAN called Pragmatist bcoz we wont notice the different. Infact his contributions are always meaningless and nobody is bosed to read them.
Thats me # 32
Pragmatist,
we know you are a diehard MMD spinner and hate Sata with passion. Kindly reduce the assort. You really kill the essence of democracy and other people’s hopes for an alternative.Your attack is relentless and too damaging to say the least.If Ba Sata is destroyed, who will provides checks to the MMD? I have no doubt of your prolific spin prowess thus far.You have polarized the PF spirit with your salt on the dilema in PF
And you Muntuza,
You know your challenges and disabilities very well, why do you have to take on someone beyond your abilities? Pragmatistis beyond your elementary level punditry. See how he has been destroying ba Sata and deflating our spirit here relentlessly without credible challenge. Crying over big words without defending the PF values does not mitigate the damage being created. Its either you retire from here or leave us alone in PF.You are a reliability to the PF.
#36 SAGE Sata must first be elected party president then can he deserve respect from his MPs. Sata has shown poor leadership qualities with holding elections. He might be popular but his handling of important issue has been dictatorial beyond memory. This is the waste that can happpen to Zambia as a nation thank God he is in the afternoon of political career. If he is clever he must take this to the voters and he will see the true reaction. A lost sheep in the woodnes. Where is Lubinda & co????
#36 Nothing pragmatist has written on this blog will effect our passion for democracy. To most us he is just another empty gong chuchu’s bootlicker. His yapping loudest on the blog will never stop the vision we have for mother zed to remove injustice chuchu is infringing on this nation. Come 2011 family tree will be cut to small pieces, chuchu and his minions will go into chipumputing forever.
Gentle pipo of Zambia! We have to see to it that in that pipo do, theer is owez things done out of self-interest. WE too whoa re writin onthis issue have self-interest in it. So why are U stayin all this. YEs. Ba Mrs is interested in money and the big question lies on PLot One, what is our Doctor going to say! He has heard the cry of many Zambians
Gentle pipo of Zambia! We have to see to it that in whatever pipo do, there is owez things done out of self-interest. WE too who are writin on this issue have self-interest in it. So why are U sayin all this. YEs. Ba Mrs is interested in money and the big question lies on PLot One, what is our Doctor going to say! He has heard the cry of many Zambians
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#38 Waitaya Easy again – woodnes should be wildness bwana!! And why do you what to why Lubinda is, of course he is at his home period.
#42 Anonoymous, Do you woods or you have never heard about them. A wood is a cut log okay. Exactly this what I mean sorry for speaking in tounges- This woods are used to builds huts in Mpika district. So ba Chilufya sees himself there instead of being on the central stage of at MCC. He can call hi Indunas and discuss dowry for his son. This will haunt Mr.Sata until old age. Zambians want change and progress. Waste of time.
Anonymous (39),
To be in denial is your right to live with. Pragmatist has done more damage to the credibility of ba Sata. All we have had is handcupped fellow PF cadres unable to defend the PF values but crying over big words. Can you see how embarrasing it is for us?
Read through Pragmatist’s posts under the subject below. Spot his damaging factual spin. Its like he knows the weakness of ba boss than ourselves here hence the bash.
“Defiant PF MPs drag Sata to court”
See this one I quote Pragmatist says: Dec 18th, 2007
In my summary and counsel on PF and your embattled Petty Tyrant Sata:
-Dissent is part of Democracy
-True patriots challenge their leaders in times of departure from Democratic ideals
-Deferring too much power and authority in unelected leader destroys democracy
-Leadership is not individual,but system centered
-Democracy cannot be Indirect Democracy with all vested in a petty tyrant
-Democracy is self correcting not expulsions in the face of dissent
-Votes give mandates & Legitimacy
And our Muntuza has just been crying you are using big words, big words without defending Ba Sata and PF values. Do you see the challenge and imbalance we face as PF? We need smart bloggers too with data on the finger tips and not slobs.
Sage,
My challenges are putting matters right and my disabilites are the distance between me and the lunatics. Period
Muntuza,
Which matters have put right rather exposing ba Sata and crying over big words? Is that the best you could do. You have really embarrassed us. You have made us look like we are a party of empty tins. Before you we have had this Pragmatist in a moderate mode, Observer, Lifa, Veteran, Sophist, Paparrazzi and Fact the passionate Chiluba basher. The PF retained its image and exchange were objective. Now with you, its cry over big words no substance brought forward about PF and our vision.
SAGE
you are not making any sense to me,and ar you part and parcell of the MMD defendants on this blogg,they think like they are suffering from constipation of the brain and diarrhae of the mouth.ifyabushilu fye ata!!!
Muntuza,
Which matters have u put right than exposing ba Sata to damage ever sean? Crying over big words? Is that the best you could do?You have really embarrassed us.Now making us look like we are a party of empty slobs. Before you, we have had this Pragmatist in his moderate mode, Observer,Lifa, Veteran, Sophist,Paparrazzi and Fact the passionate Chiluba basher.The PF retained its image and exchanges were objective. Now with you,its crying over big words no substance brought forward about PF.
Listern Mr Sage, what is the point of one using big words and the majority of pipo he is speaking or writting to can hardly get anything is like the any empty tin being washed away by the wind.
Im meant to believe that Pragmatist and Sage are one and the same thing,Mutuza,you’ve had a nice and constructive debate so far,enlighten us more!
Anonymous,
This is what erodes our credibility and MMD will keep taking us as slobs.Personally i have found no difficulty in comprehending Pragmatist’s varied but painful and damaging criticism. Maybe we went to different schools. If you don’t get it why does it both you? The issue is the pain of his assort on ba Sata which we have failed to defend period. This blog cannot be at elementary level you wish. And criticism will sharpen us.
#53 You quite right, Sage has always known to be sympathy of Mad Muwelewele Devils party and its Chipumputu presdo, so it misleading for him say “….imbalance we face as PF?. Bwana Sage!!! we are able to recognise you by your writing which is just similar to your writing as Pragmatist. BE YOUR OWN MAN!!
#54 THIS BLOG DOES NOT BELONG TO YOU ALONE AS SAGE OR PRAGMATIST. ITS FOR US ALL WHETHER AT ELEMENT LEVEL OF WHATEVER YOU CALL YOURSELF LEVEL.
jim,
You are free to think that way but the truth is that no one is more seasoned in defending PF and Ba Sata than me here. Browse through the threads and tell me how many posts are by Jim or Muntuza bsisde mine and Ba Joze.Or look through the database of LT to see my IP if at all we are from the same area as Pragmatist who evidently is a diehard MMD spinner. The culture of labeling self criticism as MMD is killing us.
They have again run short of ideas reverting to abuse again will retard your four corner house. Gentlemen bring ideas how you can liberate your party PF. Its is in shambles! We partyless you just look how you dismantle yourself. I asked earlier where is Lubinda and what is his position? Is just there to keep his job or is just another Jobseeker. Do you know that despite the NCC MPs have salaries until 2011. Also their increaments are pending. Car loans are also underway
Hah, hah, haaah, everywhere it’s Kafwafwa for PF. On the ground, Parliament and in the cyber space it’s all kafwafwa, name calling and accusations. What comes out their conventions if any? Another UNIP Namayami crisis?
To think that the 27 seats will be retained at 100% is dumb imagination. MMD wil sweep 2011 with much easy but the young MMD turks will emerge after wards to drive another 3rd party based on economic revolution typicalof the 1991 change.PF cadres should stop dreaming. Ledaership for many years will remain a preserve of MMD products by design.
Nice one #53,jim
i thought so too!i couldnt understand why SAGE could all of a sudden behave in a similar way like SAGE,one has to be a photocopy of the latter,or its either SAGE is a counterfeit personality in relation to Pragmatist…bloggers let us refrain from multi-personality blogging,coz you’ll be just deceiving yourselves..
Sage, read Prag’s #4. In one breath he praises Ms Sinyangwe and demonises her in the next. He uses big words to hide his ineptude or the lack of it. Just read his #4 blog. Pipo like him dont deserve to be here. I might have let you down but Bro I wanted to understand the spirit of every blogger here. Iam still embarrassing you man now that I have made myself clear. Keep blogging
Lets be real ba SATA plz Going to the NCC dont mean that someone has betrayed you,this the matter of National interest our MPS Must be involved in anything this is why we VOted for them to represent us, not YOU in Fact stop thinking that they are in paley becouse of your PF its coz of there brains like MADAM SINYINGWE she is an intelligent woman, A WOMAN who knows what she wants!let not SATA use YOU lady do what you think is right WHy should he always give orders like a KA child!
Lets be real ba SATA plz Going to the NCC dont mean that someone has betrayed you,this the matter of National interest our MPS Must be involved in anything this is why we VOted for them to represent us, not YOU in Fact stop thinking that they are in paley becouse of your PF its coz of there brains like MADAM SINYINGWE she is an intelligent woman, A WOMAN who knows what she wants!let not SATA use YOU lady do what you think is right WHy should he always give orders like a KA child!
# Muntuza,
What time do you work either for an organisation or yourself?. You spend endless hours on this blogg chasing non issues nd backing up the wrong tree. Remember Sata has his own life which will not be affected by whatever you do, on the other hand the time you spend being his master’s voice affects you because then you being unproductive.
I work fly in fly out so I got two weeks off from work. Does that satisfy you Citizen. There are no non issues here mate, be real and I am a very productive individual. Without Sata there will be no politics to talk about back home. Here is keeping our spirits high knowing we have somebody who thinks highly for mother Zed. MMD is a wicked party by any defination, sorry to say man. Very unprincipled wo/men in there.
Mr. Sata must fire all the PF members taking part in that fraud called the NCC. This is an opportunity to bring in fresh talent to form government come 2011 or before. We know Dr. levy wants to step down before 2011 because of too much pressure and the MMD in-fighting for the top post will only get deeper as we get closer to 2011. NCC is a waste of money and all those receiving money for sitting on that fraud should be made to pay back all the wasted state money. The composition of NCC = fraud
The constitution is been prostituted by the MMD just to beat their opponents at all cost when collectively as a country we are losing.
People who designed the so called ‘western democratic’ system in Africa particularly in Zambia have brought nothing but division. Under the one party state, things were done for the collective good not the way things are where only a hand full of people benefit together with the many foreigners the let into the country to steal resources meant for the poor.
All of you morons contributing here are just ranting because you are not part of the NCC. Leave that matero woman alone. And what is the difference between Sinyangwe and that demagague sata who squezes money out of a frustrated country Taiwan? None of you nincompoumps would have refused to recive the money. Even those three Patriotic dim-wits who were intimidated to withdrew their participation are still holding onto the money.
#69 Checkmate
You seem to be new to posting on this forum. Please take time to have alook at the substance and quality of previous post, you might realise that we debate facts and offer constructive view points. Not name calling etc
#69
There is nothing special about the NCC. If it was special there would be 100% support from the nation. The fact that there is opposition to the whole set up means that the NCC project is just a total waste of money, divisive to the nation and is taking us nowhere.
What is wrong with having a constitution that everyone is happy about? This is poor leadership on the part of the current government and this is why some consider the NCC to be nothing but a fraud.
Zambia is dynamic and that i
If Sinyangwe would “rather die for doing the right thing”, the right thing here is for her to leave PF. If what PF stands for is not what she wants then leave the party. Ask MMD to appoint you to the NCC in your individual capacity. Then donate part of the or all of the allowances to a noble cause.
People like madam Sinyangwe understandibly would want to make hey while the sun is still shining, however, its immoral for her to say she would rather die for doing the ‘right’ thing. Shes a shameless liar, the fact is shes doing the right thing for her mouth. If i didnt know her and her friend Eliza chitika, i would have been a bit hesitant to condemn them. These guys werent doing very well, they come with vegence and for a kill.
Isnt it funny what money can make you do?U suddenly remember what you stand up for.God help these pipo.This is the only way left to become rich in Zed and you dont end up in prison.God HELP us
Cont’d
Zambia is dynamic and that is what is good about it because fraudsters cannot get away for long. We have already recruited young talent to take over the vacant sits. PF will win just like we won in Nchanga. This is supposed to be the best time for Zambia to develop with the current Copper boom but instead, our poor people continue to be lied too, to be robbed by fraudsters, the MMD party. We gave you a test of our power last year but the next one will be knock out, watch this space!!
Iwe ci CITIZEN, you are a hypochrite. For you anyone not supporting Chuchu and his party isnt productive. MUNTUNZA mwaice dont allow him to intimidate you
Fresh PF spin doc. tell me one thing that Zambian ever supported 100 per cent. Am really surprised that there are people who still believe that Sata will ever be president despite the obvious. Sata reached his peak isn’t going anywhere for the simple reason that his party is tribal and membership base tribal. All the Bembas and their satelite tribes like namwangas voted for him but he didn’t make it. And now these MPs who have left him are going to back Katele chiengi computers in the MMD
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Those condemning his Excellency, the right honourable Michael Chilufya Sata are just scared of their own shadows. It is not about what Mr. Sata did in the past, or the people he associated with, it is about what the PF party is saying, the principles on which the party stands on. Mr. Sata’s leadership is good for our young democracy. He will step aside in his own time, for now he is busy planting the PF seeds within and outside Zambia in readiness for a PF government for ALL people of Zambia.
But the PF is Sata and Sata is the PF. That is why he can afford to expell people who don’t agree with his leadership of boycots, riots, confusion, expulsions etc. So we can reasonably link his past and current behaviour to the entire party. Am not sure if there will ever be a PF government unless if people like Sata gave way to younger and vibrant leaders like Dr. Chishimba and not that albino from Kabwata
Muntuza,you are really giving this MMD cadres the HELL of the FIGHT,you have single handedly managed to throw these hypocrytes called Pragmatist aka SAGE and citizen into EXILE,away fom these blogg.
No. 70,
For heaven’s sake, what has Lubinda done to you to deserve such unpalatable insult? Di he sleep with you grand mother and mother at the same time? Some people are really such fools and damn right racists, just like Sata they’re fond of condemning
#65 Ci Citizen you are hypocrisy just bcoz the young muntuza is not licking chuchu’s ilenda you call him unproductive. Look at pipo like you, ka Easy, Ci Fact, na nshikulu ntekwe Pragmatist/Sage they blog day in and day out but you never call them unproductive bcoz apart from being cadres of Mad Muwelewele Devils party they lick chuchu’s ilenda. SHAME ON YOU OLD MAN
Thanks Calo, Wandalama et all for the support. Ba cadre ba chepa. We will rally for mother Zed, expose the trickster for what they really are, denounce their banners and soldier on till we see a better Zed built on the foundation of honesty, integrity and sound judgement. One we all will return home, so lets help clean up the mess.
chi #70,
Why are you bringing back this culture of insults on this forum,cant you reason with your head for once,LT pliz take not of these petty *****s and ban them for life bcoz they are tarnishing the image of these blogg.
Diaspora fever…….
#Muntuza,Anynomous and Msanwandalama
You little mites(Inda in bemba)who cling on to Sata if you only attemped to use one thousandth of the grey matter in your brain you will realise that Sata lacks proper leadership skills.WheN he was National Secretary in MMD he created so much confusion by cntinously suspended ,firing and reprieving officials without due cause. It had to take MPS from Southern Province led by Hapunda to warn him and stop his devisive ways.Now it is happening again….
#77 Checkmate
When you say PF is tribal, please help me here
What tribe is Sakwiba Sikota who was Sata’s vice during the electrol pack?
What tribe was the late Henry Mtonga?
What tribe is Given Lubinda?
And here is the classic, what tribe is Guy Scott?
Why is it that the learned PF MPs r part of NCC & the dunderheads r not.Did somebody take notice? The timid ones r the ones threating violence to thr fellow MPs typical of Sata’s past record.
Its a shame thr z a battle btween MMD cadres & PF cadres here but some of us r non aligned.
#86 Citizen,you ar really a bug (ichipu in bemba) that sticks to cow or dog for as long as it can without any benefits,you are behaving the same way by sticking to the MMD for nothing,you have no vision,(blind person cannot lead a fellow blind bcoz they will all for into a pit latrine)what a citizen!!!
My party PF is under attack by enemies of democracy who are capitalizing on the illiteracy and dictatorial mentality of Ba Sata. I see now we have dummies masquarading as our spokespersons here with their empty heads.
Our fellow Veteran serviceman and patriot is man of the year for his selflessness and vision that has moved Russian from the deep. I think we should also design to get intelligence or army officers to rule our Country. It is very easy to scheme it against civilians.
PUTIN IS NAMED TIME ‘PERSON OF THE YEAR’
Time magazine on Wednesday named Russian President Vladimir Putin its 2007 “Person of the Year.”The nod went to the Russian leader because of Putin’s “extraordinary feat of leadership in taking a country that was in chaos and bringing it stability,” said Richard Stengel, Time’s managing editor.Putin, 55, is enormously popular in Russia, presiding over a resurgent economy flush with revenue from oil and natural gas. But critics say he has moved the cou
But critics say he has moved the country away from Russia’s democratic reforms of the 1990s by tightening control of the media, courts and parliament.”He’s the new czar of Russia and he’s dangerous in the sense that he doesn’t care about civil liberties, he doesn’t care about free speech,” Stengel said.Putin recently endorsed protoge Dmitry Medvedev’s presidential bid, and later said he would accept Medvedev’s offer to serve as prime minister if Medvedev is elected in the March 2 election.
when will we have the benefit of seeing Sata being elected at a PF Convention as their Supreme Leader ?? Under whose electrol mandate is he currently operating ?? Does Sata believe in some form of democracy…if so which type ?? Who are the interim leaders or are they called members of the executive committee for PF ?? I’m am seeking guidance on these matters from any PF members so that I am able to make an informed choice of leader post LPM!
Anonymous(82),
I foresee Sata recieving some erelevant none winning votes from from the lice in Muntuza’s pubic hairs and your stinking sweat dripping armpit hairs.Then you will use the loose sticks hanging between your legs to peddle the leaking titanic to the shore but in vain. No wonder all the thinking and educated zambians that errored to support PF have opted for independent thinking leaving the party with dummies.
Anonymous(82),
I foresee Sata recieving some irrelevant none winning votes from from the lice in Muntuza’s pubic hairs and your stinking sweat dripping armpit hairs.Then you will use the loose sticks hanging between your legs to peddle the leaking titanic to the shore but in vain. No wonder all the thinking and educated zambians that errored to support PF have opted for independent thinking leaving the party with dummies.
#94 Pundit,
When Sata and his group present themselves to the masses as a politcal party, they did not force anyone to join them. All followers willing accepted thier leadership and followed them. So why should it bother anyone outside PF tha there was no convention at all. The same with Miyanda. If anyone is not happy with that arrangement simple form your own party of join one of the other existing ones.
Lifa 95,96
Please refer to posting #70. Lets keep up interlect here, especially that we do not know each other personally.
Zambians are amazing and do suprise. Almost eligible voters went for polls last years and ashed MMD in power now they are complaining like hell. Yes we need to do more. As an observe, I can tell that today Cellular phones are available villages which was a dream in the past with land lines. Education has improved and many more is to be done. Yes health is draging, we need to work hard in this area. Stop quarelling but instead contribute to the development of the nation otherwise you will be….
left out. Its time to check ourselves and see where you can assist instead of just blogging here.
#73 mala – msana wandalama, Now you are being jealous so you mean in life one can not improve on and lead a better life. Shame upon you! Tomorrow if we elect you speaker of national assembly are you going to tell us no no Iam a poor boy I wont take the position. Know one thing “the sky is the limit”. Sinyangwe just elevated herself from where you used to know her. Its just unfortunate that she joined a wrong party otherwise she would have no such problems. You guys have leadership qualities.
The whole of thís year there has be an outcry of a new constitution and reducing the powers of the president. Now you are given room to bring change again you u turn and bring laws of the jungles. Oh ye where to? Iam getting worried of this development. Remember in democracy the majority rules so MDD+UNDP and other small parties will continue being in power if your PF continue to be adamant and hopeless. Wake Wasala Wandala!!!
King David(97), can i assume that the basic democratic principles that ideally should govern ALL political parties are absent in PF?? Please correct me if i’m wrong to further assume Sata’s leadership is like that of a father in a home..i.e. you don’t elect your own father?? I thank you most sincerely for your guidance and insight as to what to expect should Sata enter Plot 1 !!
#117 Zambia is not a one party state anymore and shall never be.Opposition should always be there wether the party is presided by the old or the dead or the unborn.Without this ,the west will say ‘Africa is still immature”.
#103 Zambia is not a one party state anymore and shall never be.Opposition should always be there wether the party is presided by the old or the dead or the unborn.Without this ,the west will say ‘Africa is still immature”.
The question of PF not electing Sata as their leader is irrelevant because it has no legal basis. The constitution of Zambia does not require political parties to elect their leaders. If this issue is important then lets take a bill to parliament that requires a political party to hold a convention within a stipulated time after formation. By doing so GRZ will be required to fund these conventions if and when the party is broke. About Ba mayo bana Sinyangwe she is looking at K300M as retirement.
#103 Pundit, see post # 106
Also look at Miyanda and his party, the follers do so willingly. In any case, imagine Sata looses at a PF convention and forms his own party. The people that will follow him will be endorsing him as thier leader by doing so. So why ask them to vote for him at a convention when they have willingly endorsed him already by following him?
#105, nice one!
PF a party that could have been Zambia’s potential alternative to the ruling MMD in the 2016 elections, is under siege and gone to the Gutters. Counterfeit cadres in its ranks bootlicking with unbridled ignorance and self comforting fantasy are now de-aligning it. They are in denial of intra-party democracy and leadership legitimacy through voters’ given mandate. What a shame in the democratic dispensation when democracy is deconstructing monolithic designed Dictatorships.
Fortunately, fellow patriotic and visionary Zambians are aplenty in reminding Sata to beware of the infatuation given by his counterfeit cadres. There is need for patriots to systematically target fanatics and foster delusional deconstruction.The letter below in the post newspaper is on the money.
SATA’S POLITICAL MILEAGE
By Chishalika, K Mulenga Kabwe
Tuesday December 18, 2007
The continued calls by Sata for his members of parliament and mayors to resign from PF for defying the party directive not to take part in the NCC cannot go without comment.In the first place, Sata should know that he is not PF and PF is not Sata.
The time for dictatorial tendencies is over. If more than 50 per cent of the PF members who are eligible to take part in the NCC are willing to do so, why should Sata stop them? The current happenings in the PF are actually revealing whether there is democracy in the party or not.
As things stand now, we (Zambians) cannot afford to have brilliant individuals such as Given Lubinda, Paul Mususu, Emily Sikazwe and others, stay away from the constitution-making process. Please go and represent the poor Zambians.As for Sata, it is a well-known fact that his fight against the NCC has not been out of principle, but rather for political mileage
The heart of a statesman:
Constitutional conference begins in Zambia
LUSAKA (AFP) — A national conference designed to prepare a new constitution for Zambia began Wednesday with President Levy Mwanawasa urging delegates not to use the forum to settle political scores.
While the conference was shunned by the main opposition party, Mwanawasa urged the 460 delegates present to rise above partisan interests in order to agree on a constitution acceptable to all people in the southern African country.”You should not use this conference as a battle field between the ruling party and the opposition,” Mwanawasa said.
Mwanawasa promised to accept the outcome of the conference, despite an earlier statement that he would not support proposals to reduce presidential powers and broaden human rights and freedoms.The conference is designed to help reach a consensus on a replacement for Zambia’s colonial-era constitution.Delegates to the conference are from parliament, civil society groups, traditional leaders and religious organisations.
But PF parliamentarians are participating in the conference in defiance of their party order. They said that they represent the parliament and not their party at the conference.
A Lusaka High Court had on Tuesday issued an order restraining the PF from sacking 27 of its MPs who defied a party instruction to boycott the government-sponsored constitutional parley.
Pragmatist you have lost it with your obsession with Hon Sata and PF. Like i said @ #106. The republican constitution does not provide guide lines on how party elections should be conducted niether does it require political parties to hold conventions. MMD has chosen a convention as a means to elect their leaders, Fine. PF has chosen to site on the table and let NEC choose the leadership of PF. until it becomes constitutional a convention is a mute point to talk about. The constitution also ….
does not provide guide lines on what grounds would constitute an expellable offence. The MPs will get temperal protection from the injunction, but we all know they will be expelled and there is no law in Zambia that will prevent PF from expelling them. Nawakwi and company did the samething during FTJ third term fiasco. I dont think in this time era anyone can join an organization without understanding its position and the charactor of its leadership. Make no mistake Sata is a hard core …..
politician thats why he is popular. People upreciates he style. Machungwa is in partiament today because of Sata. If you cant take the heat get the hell out of the kitchen. I personally think PF should participate in the NCC. But in politics there is what is called collective responsibility. If you dont agree with the majority QUIT.
Soctares
Great postings
SATA has no interest in the new constitution. Mark my words again. The need to win 50+ of the Votes makes the changes tricky for Sata… therefore sata is gambling on the simple majority weighing to his ethnicity + Kaponya votes which may amount to 31%.
HK #122
democracy is about numbers, ethnicity or kaponya, they all count 1 for 1. So Sata can take the day with 50%+. Thtas why Levy, VJ and MMD refused it last year. Thay are very clever and tricky. Sata wanted it but ask yourself, wy didnt levy? he knew.
For your information.. Sata will be barred from contesting in 2011 . We are enacting a law which will barre all candidates over 65 years of age, maybe we will even raise it to 70. What about that.
Gumugumu
Thanks for enlightening us on PUTIN. Zambia needs an executive President in the mould of Putin, Benjamin Mkapa,Lepold Sedar Sengor,Thabo Mbeki and Chissano. These presidents were not career politicians like Sata and Kaunda but technocrats .Who managed the country like a corp[orate entity. They made bold busesslike descisions not populist ones witout substance by the likes of Sata.
#95-96 ala walibola mukanwa ku nsele. Your intire clan came to be as result of rotten bed bugs which needs to be destroyed from the face of earth completely.
#124, HK
Are we spending 299billion Kwacha to stop Sata from standing? MMD are really scared of PF!
given the irrelevance of PF having an elected leadership we should expect PF if in power to appoint MP’s !!That way Cobra can expel or dis-appoint whoever he likes when he likes.Charity begins at home!!All successful democracies worldwide begin the practise first and foremost in their own parties before they ask the people to trust them as leaders.I suppose to every rule there is an exception and in our case the exception is PF!!
EASY, One of my new years resolutions is , not to answer to your attacks on my person’. Let me borrow KWANDANGALA’s proverb and i quote ‘kolwe ashilabindwa enda nabufyononoka’.
#101 EASY, One of my new years resolutions is , not to answer to your attacks on my person’. Let me borrow KWANDANGALA’s proverb and i quote ‘kolwe ashilabindwa enda nabufyononoka’.
128
The PF people are happy with Sata’s leadership. what is your problem? PF is a party and has not imposed on you or anyone else.
The PF is tribal. Yes, Sakwiba was in PF but we all knew that he would be bruised immediately after the elections. He was brought in just to give that national character to the Bemba party.Scott, the corrupt guy who slaughtered his pigs and compensated himself with government money when he was agriculture minister, ask him which only Zambian language he speaks. That will tell you where his tribal inclination is.Scott reminds me of that white doctor who supported Idi aAmin all the way. Lubinda is
132
You are speculating, just answer the questions? What tribe is Saki?
Scott and the swine fever do not answer the question, what tribe is he?
And the host os others I aksed about. PF won in Lusaka, is Lusaka Province, is Lusaka Bemba land? No.
PF won on the Copperbelt, is the copperbelt Bemba province, NO.
PF did well in Central Province, is that Bebma area? No.
132
Tribe does not matter, I will not even waste time asking Scott what tribe he is because that would be tribal of me. For you to even start thinking on those lines show it is you who is tribal, but please answer the questions I have asked in my previous post.
King Davidi.. Sata is a threat to Zambia’s unity, hence him barred to the 2011 election is a worth cause(I am not saying he will ever win). His elimination from our politics will bring anew wind of change which will bring positive development to Zambia.
Sata and Kafupi type of leadership belongs to the dustbin. LPM though ‘half Cabbage+Steak) is worth more, and have brought a bit of sanity.
We cant go back to dustbin politics again..
King David(131), at the moment PF is just Sata and his members,if some pipo had their way he would be in Plot1.The point i seem to have laboured to put across is that PF and Sata have a dangerous disregard for fundemental democratic requirements & principle.If he ever ends up in Plot1 the electors must not expect his leadership to respect democracy and the protection it gives.You get what you vote for!!
It is really sad to read some postings on this blog supporting the NCC.What is it going to take for you guys to open your eyes and realise that Zambia is a poor nation which cannot afford to spend such incredible amounts on a conference that will be focussed on eliminating Sata from running for President.FTJ did it to Super Ken.Did that improve the economy?No!Indeed we as a people are docile.Posterity will surely judge this country harshly.The next President will do the same.What a country.
Slowly but sure our obsession and blind inclination to tribal allegiance is isolating and eroding our Bemba place in the Zambian Governance system.We’ve been useless and undesirable.Zambia has started progressing without us due to our foolishness. Its evident that the country is holding well without our input.This is clearly a self created dilemma. I foresee a Zambia without Bembas’input.
#138 Sampa Kapasamakasa(EASY) dont fool yourself, your not Bemba. Which district and village do you come from, whats your clan? Why cant you just use your usual ID.
mala – msana wandalama,
Me being Easy???????? What a dreamer you are.Have ever given your biography here to demand mine? Is Bemba what is concealed inside your pocket for me not to descend from there?
Iwe King David I didnt see your about Garry Scot. He belongs to pig clans that migrated later to the southern tip of Africa. This is the reason why he is Zambian today. His friend Zukas Simon stopped politics long time ago. Zambian Scot is a failure as white Zambian because he failed to revamp Agriculter as Minister. Namulaba!!!! He has changed to transform Zambian into abread basket thru irrigation. We have plenty of Water.
mala – msana wandalama(139),
Stay in denial. The living truth is that I’m a resilient Nationalist a descendant of late Speedwell Kapasa Makasa with mum born of Katongamina who belonged to the Ng’andu clan, the ruling clan. Our lineage standout as that of Chilunga the beautiful daughter of a Bemba patrician, Chikutwe. There is a monument of Chikutwe in Kasama District, to this day. Our Great Great grandfather was Chibwa Chanfula.
mala – msana wandalama(139),
You see that is how free and progressive minded i am. Now tell me about yours.
#142-143
Are a cheat period!!!!
KCC(137),i’m sure you remember that on this forum we questioned the immediate importance of this constitutional review.Most people took it that LPM and MMD just wanted to maintain the status quo.it was argued that the resources would be better utilized for developmental projects.Now that LPM has succumbed to the “wishes” of the people there is an outcry about the immense cost.The bottom line being, it is impossible to satisfy Zambians and it further proves what a thankless job Plot1 is !!
#141
What do you have against answering questions? Talking about pig clan and stuff are really not points, we need dat here, not just calling names and cracking jokes.
#136
As State President Sata will be subject to the laws of the state. As PF pres, he is subject to laws withinn PF. Leave them alone, unless you want to join PF
I think staying away from NCC, for whatever reasons, is pointless. At the end of the day what every patriot desires is a good constitution regardless of one’s political affiliation. Therefore input is required from all stakeholders that meet the criteria for sitting on NCC. As for the money issue, whether we have NCC or CA it is sairly obvious that at one stage or the other finances will come into play.Though I must admit the allowances are rather on the high end.The bottom line-we are in 2007;
LPM is president; the constitution is being adopted through NCC; we need a constitution that will endure the test of time before 2011 general elections.
#143 SAMPA, Refer to my posting #130, you are just like the other muppet- EASY. I dont waste time on imposters like yourself.
It takes education to see through the Sata social insanity. Ba Sata’s political tribalism has no complex model to evade detection of a learned critical thinker except school drop outs i see here dreaming he could rule Zambia one day.PF has been using the art of lies on unsuspecting voters against national interests for peace but their personal prosperity. While cadres advocate obscure abstractions and respond with cerebral nuance, cadreism prevails by hitting people in their gut.
We have done little to prevent the center of political gravity from shifting to Insanity in PF. Consequently, Ba sata fantasizes some of our weak minded youths even here at the expense of strongly united Zambia.The Bembas’civil liberties and collective role in Zambia have been systematically eroded and forfeited to Sata to mount his fantasy on.Our culture national unity shamefully has been eroded not mentioning our moral authority and national position.Its time to tear those wall and insanity.
# 150 mala – msana wandalama ,
You asked me and i responded with a challenge to you, then you go epileptic me. What a fringe of fascist you!Stay out of my progressive way if you are such a tiny pot and Glory pusher for any social insanity on the arena.
I know the NCC allowances are ridiculously high. But let’s flip the coin and analyse this from the social benefit point of view. This money will directly benefit a minimum of 450 Zambian families (or 2,700 Zambians, using 6 as the average number of people per household); some of these will invest wisely and more people will benefit. Bottom line: the money is staying in this country. If it was given to a foreign investor, nearly all that money would have been externalised!
Bonse tamukwete amano!