LUSAKA lawyer Sakwiba Sikota has said the Patriotic Front (PF) is wasting time by attempting to block President Rupiah Banda’s candidature because the question of the parentage of a presidential candidate was resolved in both the late second president Frederick Chiluba’s petition and the case against first president Kenneth Kaunda.
And another lawyer, Mwangala Zaloumis said the on-going debate on whether President Banda qualified to contest the presidency on account of the nationality of his parents was a waste of time.??Mr Sikota, who was one of the attorneys in the presidential petition of 1996 against Dr?Chiluba’s parentage, said the PF and Mr Sata, who were engaging in unfruitful debates not benefitting the people, had demonstrated that they were not prepared to run Zambia.
Referring to the case of Akashambatwa Mbikusita-Lewanika, Hicuunga Evaristo Kambaila, Dean Namulya Mung’omba, Sebastian Saizi Zulu, Jennifer Mwaba Phiri versus Frederick Titus Jacob Chiluba, Mr Sikota said the PF was “running into a blind alley” over the parentage issue.
“We would like to advise the PF to consult with lawyers that were involved in the presidential petition of 1996, which included questions over late Dr Chiluba’s parentage.
“The lawyers are Professor Patrick Mvunga SC, Hon Sakwiba Sikota SC, Nellie Mutti, Erick Silwamba SC, and Vincent Malambo SC. All these men can confirm that it is a waste of time for the PF to ask the Law Association of Zambia (LAZ) to look into the matter,” he said.
He advised the opposition party to look at the judgment passed by the Supreme Court during the petition on late Dr Chiluba’s parentage which he said would clearly show them?that they were diverting from real issues and engaging in unfruitful debates.
Mr Sikota said the case showed that had Dr Kaunda presented himself as a candidate in the 1996 presidential elections, he would not have been barred.
He said the Zambian judiciary also stopped the proposed deportation of Dr Kaunda relying on the case of the election petition.
According to the Supreme Court in the their judgment in the Chiluba petition, “the parentage qualification for election as president introduced into the Constitution of Zambia 1991 by the amendment in 1996 poses a number of difficulties apparently without solution.
“There was, for example, the question of whether the reference was to legitimate or biological parentage and whether adoptive parentage was included.
“The PF are, therefore, running into a blind alley over this parentage issue. It is a diversion much like the ‘Lunatic Right Fringe’ in the United States of America who tried to stop the candidature of Barack Obama over his birth place when they realised he was too powerful an opponent to beat at the polls,” he said.
On the issue of asking international organisations to intervene, Mr Sikota said international law required that one exhausted the domestic avenues of redressing any grievances.
He said the Constitution provided in Article 41 that all matters relating to the election of a presidential candidate should be heard by the full bench of the Supreme Court.
“The Supreme Court has stated that these issues can only be raised after an election has been held.
“The PF are, therefore, free to raise any issues they may wish to do relating to the presidential elections after they have lost the elections. For now they would be best served?to concentrate on the campaign rather than treading down the path of blind alley,” he said.
Mr Sikota, who is also United Liberal Party president, said the PF leaders were clearly showing that they were not ready to run the country.
He said the PF leaders were engaging in unfruitful debates to hide their inadequacies and lack of a development agenda for Zambia.
“Mr Sata and the PF should not be afraid to meet Mr Banda in the presidential elections field of 2011.
“We call upon Mr Sata and the PF to emulate more serious opposition political parties such as the United Party for National Development, Heritage Party, Alliance for Democracy and Development and UNIP who have not resorted to running away from real issues and raising unfruitful debates.
“For many years now there have been questions about Mr Sata’s true identity. We have heard some people suggest that he comes from Tanzania, while others have equally said that his parents come from Malawi, but at no time has any serious political party wasted time on a useless debate of where Mr Sata actually comes from,” he said
He said with less than 60 days before the elections, Zambians expected the PF leaders to spend their energies on telling the people about Mr Sata’s ‘90-day wonder’.
And another Lusaka-based lawyer, Ms Zaloumis said the on-going debate on whether President Banda qualified to contest the presidency on account of the nationality of his parents was a waste of time because the matter was long settled in the Chiluba versus Akashambatwa Mbikusita-Lewanika 1996 presidential election petition.
Ms Zaloumis, who is former spokesperson of the National Constitutional Conference (NCC), said she was part of the team of lawyers that petitioned the Supreme Court to prevent Dr Chiluba from running for presidency on behalf of Mr Mbikusita-Lewanika.
Ms Zaloumis said the African Union also had recommendations that Zambia should amend the laws that barred people whose parents were of foreign origin from running for the presidency and described the clause in the current Constitution as undemocratic.
She said the ruling was that anyone who was in Zambia at the time of independence qualified to contest the presidency, adding that the allegation that President Banda made a false declaration that his father was born in Zambia was mere hearsay.
Ms Zaloumis said there were lawyers in all the political parties in the country and wondered why they had failed to advise their respective leaders and clients.
She said lawyers had a duty to read old judgments and rulings on controversial matters to give guidance to the nation and reduce tension.
Ms Zaloumis said the debate was diverting attention from real issues which the presidential candidates should have been addressing instead of personalities.
She said political leaders should not use old methods of frustrating their competitors out of contests especially that Zambia was a democracy.
Meanwhile, former NCC chairperson of the governance and human rights committee, Stanley Mhango said the behaviour of Mr Sata on the candidature of President Banda showed that the PF boycotted the NCC to maintain the 1996 dictatorial Constitution that barred some people from aspiring for presidency.
He said Mr Sata was aware that the presidential clause that barred people whose parents were born outside Zambia from contesting was removed from the draft Constitution but accepted the decision by his Members of Parliament to walk out of Parliament as a strategic reason so that the old Constitution could remain in force.
Mr Mhango wondered what type of a leader Mr Sata would make if he could mount such a campaign against his fellow citizens in order to win power.
He commended the United Party for National Development for not supporting such views.
[Times of Zambia]
Let them know and concentrate on their campaigns
Hahahaha ati PF mwaitaya
Muzi wapya. PF is not ready. Thats what happens when you have a party full of bus station call boys. Our learned lawyers have set the record straight.
Let the game begin….. Uno mwaka PF Kupwa. Ati kuya bebele
Ma RBish….times of zambia……
Time wasters, Gogo RB & MMD. Winter has never won any case as the saying goes. This is God at play. He has deliberately blind folded these thugs from campaigning so as to save our mother land .
Indeed one wonders why lawyers like Wynter Kabimba can not take leaf from past judgements. What a waste of time!
chwwee chweee chweee, ba pf stop wasting the courts time..they are very busy people..and surely how can u take the case to a wrong court..yashina kanshi…
Ubwato bwabunda!!! (..meaning the boat has sunk)!!! On the demise of PF, we AIN’T SEEN NOTHING YET!!! Where is the TSUNAMI of MMD MPs defections so boldy predicted by Madam Edith Nawakwi!!!! WHEN ARE THE PARLIAMENTARY ADOPTIONS GOING TO BE ANNNOUNCED? What we saw at Mulungushi during the ECZ briefing to presidential candidates!!! Get ready for the STAND UP ZAMBIA show of the year, produced NOT BY Chanda Chimb…. BUT ‘STARRING’ HIMSELF.. GET READY FOR THE SHOW OF YOUR LIFE!!!
PF has lost it all..they are not ready for elections..they are cowards..they have no candidates for other provinces in Zambia..Wynter Kabimba has misled his party again..MMD & UPND will battle it out !
This is a ploy to detract attention from PF’s inadequate preparation for the election. They were trying to create an impression that there was a wind of change and were hoping that the spectators that were seen at rallies would translate into votes but alas the only wind on show is that coming out of their proverbials. Leadership is also about statemanship and doing things in the national interest but these chaps are on some foul shiiiiiiiiiiit!
These Poor Fools are just wasting peoples time.Most of them have nothing meaningful to do apart from petty politics.Lets ignore them & concetrate on people with substance.
Watch this space
WINTER WINTER MWANA WAMALUME, WAITAYA DADDY :o
IF PF HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE LEGIBILITY OF THE CANDIDATURE OF ANY OPPONENT, THE CILVILIZED WAY OF DEALING WITH THE MATTER IS TO GO TO COURT, PERIOD!!!!!….THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT PF HAVE DONE…..ITS THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO SEEK COURT’S ARBITRATION WHERE THEY SEE IT NECESSARY, FULL STOP!!!!!!!!!!….SO LEAVE PF ALONE PLEASE AND CONCENTRATE ON YOUR FAKE DEVELOPMENT!!
Bravo PF!! This is a smart way of destabilising other Parties especially MMD. PF knows that it cant manage to stop RB from contesting elections because of machinery. MMD is already shaken!! Good move PF!! But I am deeply disappointed with UNDP who grew cold feet on this matter after I really wanted him. Are they MMD?
P. F now means Pathological Fo-o-l-s. Yes, these f-o-o-l-s have already lost the election.
These two disgruntled lawyers are plunderers and people must not forget that they are the same people who were pushing for the failed NCC were Zambians have been robbed of a colossal sum of K300 Billion kwacha. Whatever these clowns say, take it they are fake people and thats why Zambians needs to usher in PF and Sata in Government on 20th September 2011. We need a new constitution and quality job creation for the majority youth and not an MMD economy for the few crooks like Zaloumis and Sakwiba. These are parasites who have no shame. Viva Sata viva PF……. This Sakwiba runs kantemba ULP, has anyone heard him propound what it is and who it represents. ULP is an extension of expired MMD.
M’MEMBE ALSO SAID RB IS A LIAR WHO EVEN LIED ON THE ORIGIN OF PARENTS….AM SURE THERE IS EVIDENCE SOMEWHERE…..VIVA PFFF
Come on PF, this man has been president and suddenly he is not Zambia…
This should have been done ages ago not a month from elections, this is
a sign of Defeat
Nafuti Nafuti
MMD IS GOING THIS YR
hahahahah
Baitaya…
Ubwato bwabunda……… the boat has sunk.
A law, no matter how bad, is still a law…the onus is on RB to prove his parentage. This is a s.tu.pi.d law being used in desperation but as long as we have a constitution full of s.tu.pi.d laws then it will only be fit for s.tu.pi.d people. Kabimba is just going by example and precedence.
Iwe SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST # 18, you too are a foreigner and you think we are dull hey? If a mistake was made sometime back, it does not mean we cannot correct if legally. Which candidate teh expired MMD is gonna field, MC Sata of PF is winning the Presidential elections on 20 the September 2011 and we be declred President on Thursday 22nd september 2011. Remember PVT has been ALLOWED in 2011 and so that trick of stuffing and exchanging ballot boxexs in the ZAF planes is cut off. We will know and tabulate the results as and when they are announced at each polling station. MMD lost these elections months and months ago, mark my words bro…. Viva Sata viava PFFFFFFFFFFFF Pa Bwatoooooooo
They should not have adopted this stupid law. The majority of people RB and MCS’ age have parentage that is not indigenously Zambian (before former colonies were independent). Everybody knew KK’s parents hailed from Malawi. FTJ’s parentage was Congolese and stupidly the people around him decided to change the constition to block KK. Even the late Patrick Mwanawasa’s parentage was Malawian (Mwanawaza the actual surname is Malawian). Nobody is 100% Zambian not for a couple of generations to come anyway.
PF has been ready for this elections. PF and other wel meaning Zambians are just interpreting what the MMD induced law say on the qualification of a presiodential candidate. Other people should not comment on behalf of NyamaSoya. let just Mr. RB comment himself also. The ECZ said it pont blank on parentae so why are the two disgraced lawyers without a spine Sakwiba Sikota and Zoulomis who benefited from NCC tell us.MMD brought this law to barr KK. Now it has back fired on them through ALA B
People according to facts Banda does not qualify to stand but here is where the stupid constitution blander is….. this can only be challenged after the elections which will in turn if his disqualified by supreme court tax payers monies will again be spent on new elections… so advise Please PF refrain from this shadow chasing….. VIVA PF VIVA SATA change is here don’t behave like MMD chaps who disregard the law…the know Banda does not qualify but using him as most of them will soon disappear into archives…VJ, Katele etc
Absolutely they are wasting time! Even worse, this appears to have the PF’s “thought out” election strategy – the best they could come up with in all the months and years they had to prepare. Honestly, these people aren’t even fit to be in opposition let alone government if this is the best they can do to raise such nonsense now.
Else, I love this…. “He said with less than 60 days before the elections, Zambians expected the PF leaders to spend their energies on telling the people about Mr Sata’s ‘90-day wonder’.”
LOL – 2/3 the time they say is needed to completely transform this country is going to be spent on rhetorical nonsense. Pabwato? I think the boat has sunk!
DONT JUST BLOG, SAY FACTS….PF IS SAYING HE IS NOT ZAMBIAN SO HE SHUD PROVE OTHERWISE. IF HE IS NOT SCARED OF THAT CLOSE WHY HAS HIRE ALOT OF LAWYERS TO DEFEND HIM? SOMETHING IS WRONG.
RB is Zambian, make no mistake about it, he just needs to prove that his parents were resident in Zambia in 1964, which i think he can’t, stupid law but law all the same.
I am very surprised that some one calling himself a lawyer can be so oblivious of the Supreme Court judgements on the issues of parentage of presidential candidates. Where was Winter Kabimba when these judgements were being passed in the courts? This clearly shows how dull and impotent PF leadership is in terms of the law. How can people like these who fail to understand simple things be expected to handle complex national problems? To me these charecters are simply showing their petiness and childishness. They can’t rule Zambia.
“The lawyers are Professor Patrick Mvunga SC, Hon Sakwiba Sikota SC, Nellie Mutti, Erick Silwamba SC, and Vincent Malambo SC. All these men can confirm that it is a waste of time for the PF to ask the Law Association of Zambia (LAZ) to look into the matter,”
The aforementioned persons are well esatblished lawyers who in my opinion can be a credible source of Zambian Constitutional Law. If the PF counsel is lazy to read past judgements he should easily consult his fellow lawyers who were involved in the past cases and judgements and if my memory serves me right , most of them are still alive, This is time for campaigns and not time to embarrass oneself in court over a non issue.
@ 28 sense boss…ala these chaps are wasting the courts time and they will be made to pay for that..
how can u surely start a case thats not going anywhere..trying to divert peoples attention from the real issues..namufilwa ama campaign ba PF…na LIST yenu is still waiting for defectors that wont come ur way
PF GUYS GET ORGANISED WHY THIS TIME?
PF is packing bags ..back to Mbeya TZ….hahaha
Quite a suicidal move by PF in Eastern Province.
These people Zaloumis and Sikota are wasting time commenting on other people’s business
#32 I’m not sure – there is a certain degree of resentment towards Malawi in Eastern Province, also some fear, since Malawi is now plunged into chaos and bloodshed because of dictatorship
Sakwiba and mama Zaloumis were very vocal during the scandalized debates of the NCC!! Are people still listening to such kind of self centred and unpatrotic lawyers? Just as Noah saved lives in those days so shall MC SATA save the lives of many Zambians from poverty, unemployment and deliver the best constitution for mother Zambia. VIVA PF
Those supporting MMD, ma rabish. Wait u will see PF this time. MMD red card.
There are seasoned lawers that were involved in both the Chiluba and Kaunda cases on both sides for that matter who now understand that the PF are running away from real issues by deflecting attention from their unpreparedness and unexplained wonder 90-day policies.
All these seasoned lawyers could have been consulted but some people choose to be lead by Kabimba, an infant in law practice as he’s never won a single case as I hear. And the whole entire presidential candidate SATA decised to rely on this inexperienced lawyer. Shame on any Zambian who is hoodwinked by this case.
Sata hijacked the nation by sabotaging the new constitution which would have removed this undemocratic clause. Infact, he must be the one who proposed it against Kaunda. This is epecially because he championed the third term for FTJ also. He is a deviant person who can not be trusted with power at all. Chiluba knew him very well to pass him and choose Mwanawasa who was not even in active politics to succeed him. Open your eyes Zambians.
From complaints on disolution of parliament to elections date to parentage…Perpetual complainants.
Ok Ladies and gentlemen PF is wasting there time leave them stop ranting and wait for the courts to decide period.
PLEASE JUST TELL US WHERE RUPIAH BANDA’S PARENTS CAME FROM. wERE THEY BORN IN NORTHERN RHODESIA OR NOT? HAS IT BECOME ALL RIGHT NOW FOR MATTERS BEFORE THE COURT TO BE DISCUSSED THE WAY SAKWIBA AND ZALOUMIS ARE DOING?
I also think the LAZ know very well that the case is a non starter. Their opinion is definately against it as the are aware of the presedent judgements on the issue. It is just embarasment of telling PF that they are wrong because Mwenye has been sympathetic to PF. He’s pretendint that he’s still studying the issue. Ufortunately, there’s no where to hide. His lawyer members have started comenting on the matter. And so far it’s only Kabimba who is for pursuing this matter. So many seasoned lawyers have told him it’s a non-starter. I guess it’s only in PF where reality can be twisted. Shame on some grown men.
That’s the GAME
Waste of time, waste of time. Let them waste their time. Your time has also been wasted, reading the article then going down to reading even my comment.
Time waster
Check on the video of Mr Sata while he visited the UK at zamuk.com Mr Sata called one member of the audience ‘an ignorant adult’. Analyze the video. Is he really a presidential material?
the pf lack strategy busy bringing up up baseless accusations against rb while his busy campaining the are busy arguing weather his zambian o not,shame on u
“When they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are not wise” 2 Corinthians 10:12
The date of elections has been announced and this is the strategy for PF winning. If so it stinks! Check on the video of Mr Sata while he visited the UK at zamuk.com. Analyze the video. I know we have psychologists on the blog. Give us your assessment.
zaloumis and sikota are intersted parties. their opinion is biased because they stand to benefit if banda wins. they have sold their birthright for a few coins of silver. dont get me wrong though! dont vote for sata because i wont. his background spells horror. corruption, tribalism, nepotism, dictatorship, violence ……. he has shown in the past and he is ready to do it on future.
Poor Finishers are laughable losers in every dream.
The misfiled petition is both frivolous and evidence of dangerous incompetence on sata and his league. These are failed political acrobats by political lepers against a sagacious winning RB. Rightly deserve this throw away verdict with costs while MMD is consolidating the victory match.
What a load of kitchen sink politics devoid of foresight. Very proud to be a Zambian patriot in solidarity with RB and his people’s ruling MMD. No wonder every patriotic Zambian says MMD is our party. We are unflinchingly on a victory trail nafuti Nafuti!
#26, exactly, the panic being displayed by MMD is unbelievable..from Sikota, Zaloumis to all the MMD vuvuzelas and now to hiring over four prominent law firms. All this just refute a simple statement that his parents are from Malawi. If its as simple as they claim, why all the effort?? Its like getting a sledge hammer to kill an ant….
Winter Kabimba since he graduated as lawyer he has never won a case in the court of law.He is a very incompetent when it comes to law.a good lawyer is one who finds where the law is which winter Kabimba does not know.under common law Superecourt judgements are man made law.That is why where there is a landmark judgement like the issue at hand that part of the constitution is disriminotory and should done away.RB will come a very strong person in this debate and Sata will have to blame himself.
Not a waste of time, who says a judgement can not be wrong even when an appeal is not lodged? Why was this clause not removed as advised? Lawyers are a bunch of “professionals” who make their living twisting facts watch their language in whatever they draft, too ambiguous!
Uuuh you are right keep yapping mate.
PF you better spare your energy and cash to sue RB for your usual cry of “they have rigged” remember it’s not long from now.Hope this year you will be good losers.I wish I could even see your miserable face when the boat fails to reach land.again and again
I feel sorry for Zambia. The front runners (RB and Sata) are not presidential material. They are both tribalists, full of nepotism and corrupt. There is no hope for Zambia because one of them will be declared president two days after 20th September. What a shame!
The following is an interview between RB and the post shortly after being appointed vice president by late LPM:
The Post:’I will first ask you to give me your background, that is, when and where you were born, your education …’ Rupiah Banda:
I was born in Zimbabwe, in a small town called Gwanda, 82 kiIomeIres from Bulawayo going towards Beit-bridge in South Africa on 19th February, 1937
Milton Phiri, Zambia’s former High Commissioner to Malawi and Botswana,
claimed that Banda made a false declaration about his parents when running for president
in 2008. Banda has rejected the allegation, explaining his mother and father hailed from
Chiparamba area in Chipata District. Phiri, however, has maintained that Banda’s father was
born in Tukombo Village in Chief Fuka Mapili’s area of Nkhata Bay in the then Nyasaland,
and only settling in Northern Rhodesia sometime between 1963 and 1964.
ITS NOT A MATTER OF PF READING THE PAST JUDGEMENT, ITS ABOUT WHAT THE CURRENT CONSTITUTION SAYS!. IF INDEED THE AFRICAN UNION RECOMMENDED THAT THE CLAUSE THAT BARRS PIPO WHOSE PARENTS WERE NOT BORN IN ZAMBIA, THEN WHY DIDNT KAFUPI REVERSE THAT CLAUSE IMMEDIATELY HE WON THAT CASE?. OR MWANAWASA WAS SUPPOSED TO AMEND IT IMMEDIATELY BUT THEY KEPT QUIET,KUNDA ALSO KEPT QUIET. I FEEL THERE IS A WHISTLE BROWER IN MMD WHO ENCOURAGES PF TO GO FOR IT, AND I MUST ADMITT THAT I DONT TRUST GEORGE KUNDA, HE CAN EASILY SELL HIS BOSS
PF was too proud and got blinded that they could win elections single handedly especialy with support from Fred Membe’s Post Newspaper.Reality seem to have dawned on them.We have always stated that this is the 4th and very last unsuccessful attempt by frivolous Cobra to CHANCE plot 1.Hard luck
Leaks in from Luanshya road have revealed some names on the PF final list of adopted candidates. The Central Committee of the PF has been locked in a meeting the whole day to scrutinise and finalise the list of aspiring candidates short-listed during provincial primaries.
LUSAKA
Chawama – Edgar Lungu (lawyer)
Kabwata – Given Lubinda (incumbent)
Kanyama- Col Gerry Chanda (incumbent)
Munali- Prof Nkandu Luo
Lusaka Central- Guy Scott (incumbent)
Mandevu – Jean Kapata (incumbent)
Matero- Miles Sampa (ex banker)
Chilanga – on hold
Chongwe – Silvia Masebo (incumbent)
Luangwa – Pastor Gent
Kafue – Mr Mwaliteta (former Mayor)
COPPERBELT
Nchanga – Wilbur Simuusa (incumbent)
Chingola – Dr Katema (incumbent)
Chililabombwe – Esther Banda (incumbent)
Wusakile – Mr Musukwa (ex MUZ chairman)
Chimwemwe – Mwenya Musenge (ex Nkana MP. Nsanda did no re-apply)
Nkana – Laxon Kazabu (former Kitwe Mayor)
Bwana Mkubwa – Emmanuel Chenda
Kwacha – Bonny Mutale
Kalulushi – Edmond Mbulu (ex-MUZ vice Chairman)
Chifubu – Susan Kawandami
Ndola Central- Fackson Shamenda (ex ZCTU President)
Kabushi – Elizabeth Kazunga
Lufwanyama-Rev Chimena
Kafulafuta – Patrick Mwanawasa
Masaiti – Steady Mwale
Roan- Chishimba Kambwili
(more to be availed once leaked in) MORE DEFECTIONS ARE COMING WATCH THIS SPACE
Pro MMD supporters, I wonders why Sikota formed a party. Zaloumis, one of the top NCC officials who always pushed for increase in allowances. These two are the worst political mercenaries in Zambia, why don’t they talk about the failed constitution, they were vocal when they were demanding for allowances. Lawyers are different, just because they failed it does not mean the other Lawyers will fail. This habit of supporting wrongs is making Zambian laws irrelevant and the constitution outdated.K 200 billion wasted and these 2 fools were there, they should be in jail.
Clearly a calculated move by the PF to win this year’s elections through the back door of the law and not through the ballot box. Unfortunately for them, their key for the back door does not work and they can’t figure out where to find a master key in the short space of time that there is. Any wonder it’s such a drama already! They could make more money working as comedians and not as politicians! It may be time for the old man to start thinking about retiring from politics. This is more than bad luck. It’s a serious political miscalculation. Otherwise, taking a degree in political science might help.
Is it true that: Zambia’s first post-independence president Kenneth Kaunda, who ruled the southern African nation for 27 years until 1991 was barred under the same law in 1991 because his father was Malawian? If so then, the PF do stand a chance? Otherwise, which precedence are the courts bound to follow?
Unlike 2011 PF conference delgates, Zambians would like to use ‘voting’ as a means of choosing their leader. PF have to be reminded they can not use the back door , so there is no need for them to try and get Mr Sata ‘unoposed’ again.
PF ARE A FAILED LOT. PERSUING AN ARGUMENT THAT HAS FAILED. GOING INTO THE POLLS TO FAIL. VIVA RB!!!!!!