Bishop Mambo says the NCC should not dilute some of the important recommendations that were made by Zambians in the Willa Mung’omba draft constitution if the new constitution is to stand the test of time.
He told ZANIS in an interview in Lusaka today that there is need for the NCC delegates to ensure that the 50 percent plus one is implemented in the new constitution in order to spell out electoral malpractices in the electoral system of the country and enhance confidence in the electorates.
Bishop Mambo, who is also former Church of God Regional Overseer, said that the NCC should work-out modalities that would ensure that the views and recommendations of the people in the Willa Mung’omba Draft constitution were respected and represented in the final constitution.
He said the 50 percent plus one clause should not be ignored in both the draft and final constitution because the majority Zambians had supported the clause.
The Lusaka based clergy further commended the NCC delegates for working tirelessly to ensure that the draft constitution was published in July this year.
Bishop Mambo also called on the NCC delegates to devote most of their time to working on the draft constitution in an effort to complete the process within the stipulated 12-month timeframe.
Meanwhile, Bishop Mambo has supported calls from the cross-section of the society that the appointment of Ambassadors and High Commissioners should go through a process of ratification.
Bishop Mambo, who is also Nyamphande Orphanage Founder Member, said there is need for government to support calls for the ratification of Ambassadors and High Commissioners in order to avoid shortcuts in appointing envoys in foreign embassies.
He further said that the ratification of Ambassadors and High Commissioners would also help in building transparency and accountability in the utilization of public resources in foreign embassies.
ZANIS/TK/AM/ENDS
50 + 1 A MUST
nambala :)>-
WE WANT CHANGE WE WANT 50 PLUS 1 **==**==
it is a good idea for the opposition but wait and see if the ruling govet will accept, they know they cant go as far as 40%,
Amen Bishop! ^:)^
This is what Zed needs,50% +1. no increasing the number of MPs to 250 because that will be costly for Zed
“…Bishop John Mambo has urged the National Constitution Conference (NCC) to consider implementing the 50 percent plus one clause in its draft and final constitution with a view to enhancing transparency in the country’s electoral system. Bishop Mambo says the NCC should not dilute some of the important recommendations that were made by Zambians in the Willa Mung’omba draft constitution if the new constitution is to stand the test of time.”
Good president John Mambo, I think the Nation has spoken much on this 50 + 1 % issue and the MMD GRZ must do the right thing of including what we the Zambian people need not their motives of overstaying staying in power through probable dubious means.
EVEN MEN OF GOD AGREE!!! WHAT CAN WE SAY!!!
Shall We all stand and say AMEN!
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… of using simple majority for a President and secure Ministerial jobs.
“Bishop Mambo, who is also Nyamphande Orphanage Founder Member, said there is need for government to support calls for the ratification of Ambassadors and High Commissioners in order to avoid shortcuts in appointing envoys in foreign embassies.”
Nice one again for we do not need party cadres who know nothing to represent and/or sell our great nation, but people who are qualified to hold such positions.
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Amen
Amen
Right on Baby, I mean Bishop. At least you are not like those bootlickers
I think we have now seen how mean the government can be Nyama Soya instruct his presidential affairs minister to tell NCC not implement the 50+1 thing in the new thing they are making. It clearly shows that MMD knows that it is not so popular and it will go down as soon as that clause is put in the new thing. But at what stage are allowed to debate this constitution? But I will accept the 50 plus something. Bravo Mambo
this is a good development, GRZ has to be put under pressure to deliver what the majority wats. its high timmeGRZ feared the people and not the other way round
Great stuff
Has anyone seen Engines?
I’m going to try to avoid any political disuccions today.
Bishop Mambo can say what he wants.[-(
50+1 is a must.If it won’t be included in the constitution then why are we changing the constitution?I thought they wanted to include the 50+1.Biship thanks a lot.
we’ll fight for that.If not they be chaos in zed.i’m ready to fight 4 zed.I’m tired of seeing Angola,southafrica making it.Zambia is not known at all due to being ruled by people with low iq.In russia i feel ashemed to say i’m from zambia coz people don’t know it.
That is what Zambia needs at the moment to have things put in place and in order so that our children, grandchild and great grandchildren can see that there were people who were responsible.
#7&10, try to reveal your idea not vima cut and paste ukonda iwe, bwanji Tonga Bull? we need your input as you used to do before Levy died.
50%+ 1 and parley ratification of diplomats MUST be embraced, we have seen tosh from these cock eye selections of people to represent Zambia province.
Ladies and gentlemen, let us all welcome our lost friend with two hands and that is …..Chewe =d>=d>=d>=d>=d>=d>=d>=d>=d>=d>=d>=d>=d>=d>=d>
# 18 Awe lelo I am Dry Imwe!!! I will also Shut up!! :-ss
YES 50 + 1 I A MUST AND NO MANIPULATION. AMEN BISHOP! :d/
It is even to say LT bloggers have voted for 50 plus 1 monitoring the postings from almost all the bloggers
most of us are in the opposition so a 50+1 will be good enough not just for us IN THE OPPOSITION but for the all ZED **==**==
Sorry to ask bloggers. Where is contraversial Fine? may the award winner knows?
The 50+1 is the only way to guarantee trust in the elected, party and its President. This hase further advantages: it will reduce the number of political parties and thus reduce tensions that unnecessarily go about; it will reduce crossing between parties as people will be more principled; people will identify them selves fully with political ideologies consistently; and there will be predictability in the conduct and layalty of political elements within parties.
Well done Bishop Mambo for the reminder. Your are a star. Mungomba was right, don’t let these money seekers drop the 50+1 pass mark to win elections by any political party.
these guys sometimes dont think 250 MP’s meanwhile the parley building is small and Zambias borders WILL NEVER expand. what is the duty of district commissioners, or permanent secretaries etc? problem is all the pipo want to stay in lusaka
If they don’t implement the provision we will charge all the NCC delegates with treason.
@-)#-o[-o< Yah! It's time it was upheld. Someone should do the needful to ensure it is tested in the Next elections that will see PF take the day! Twanaka na simple majority. It's hight time we started seeing Presidential debates on especially on the two finalists! If they don't have the source of questions ...LT bloggers can volunteer:p. Fi MMD mwatupesha na rigging ...umo nkamukome sembe!:-j
I don’t know what most of you will say when Sata wins the first round just like Tshangirai and then loses in the rerun.
What will you say then? Please don’t get committed to any polician. Commit yourself to what is possible and cost effective in your country. Sata, Rupia, HH etc.. will soon be gone but the Constitution and its expensive election process will remain with you.
By that time you will have lost all interest in Sata and politics but the Constitution with its expensive procedure of reruns will still be haunting you and costing your country a bomb.
Believe me, when the President has been stripped of most of the powers, winning an election will not be a do or die matter at all
😮 Iwe Rashid, where is Chewe???:(. Maestro should know all about it…how do you chase someone. Chewe is the “Plus One” part in the 50 plus One:o …hence thou shall Love Chewe!
50% + 1 is not negotiable.
This Namulambe, Presidential fimo fimo has an undercover deal with RB.
No doubt, the chap wants to takeover from RB in 2011.Thats why he is insisting that simple majority creterial remains in place.
If you look at the stomach of that chap Namulambe,you will be shocked has fast it is expanding while the majority of Zedians are slimming.
To hell with that character.
I hope people at home will not listern to that MYOPIC fellow.
That’s the only way to stop MMD from taking Zed for a ride forever!!
#28, Please tell me how 50%+1 will stop people from changing Parties.
Opportunists change parties when they see who has won. So how will 50%=1 change that?
To stop people changing parties you reduce the power of the President to appoint. In order to stop MPs changing parties you insert a provision in the constitution which says that if an MP changes party in Parliament he/she won’t be allowed to stand in for the life of that Parliament. That is the cure and it is in the Mung’omba draft.
😕 Lelo Lelo, ehe ehe:d/:((:-w:-\”
#35 Please understand, you don’t make a constitution for MMD or Sata. This is our tragedy as Zambians we only think in the short term.
You craft a constitution for the year 2070 when you don’t know who the players or political parties will be. You write a Constitution for the long term where SATA or MMD are not factors.
Will you please stop thinking about Sata or MMD or HH, they are not factors in the long term.
#36, the new constitution if it will be adopted 95% it actually stops pipo from crossing the floor, by making them lose the benefits of contesting the same seat within the 5 year period meaning an MP will think twice to relinquish his/her seat to follow the winner
why zambian leaders don’t care about the future?Always they make things which suit them, forgetting the future.Nowander whites develop coz they prepare everything for the future.But zambian leaders want to inrich themselves with their families.A country with less than 15million people can’t suffer like tht with such resources we have.Govt can’t do anything apart from saying we can’t do it e.g refusing to host africa games.The Q is when are they going to have money and build good hospitals with good equipments and new infrastruters?How do other countries do it?i don’t know really.
SweetZED – Concluder, Chewe is brave like Sata. no man(not even Ba LT) can chase him from this blogg,we all love him.
Chewe we love you
Hopefully the journey to Tanzania iss on
Nomba imwe ba Maestro Hhehhehhe, nani wamweba ati mufwile mwalabwekeshapo efisoselwe kale? Quote?
Just comment mwe bantu mwe.
50+1 is the wayforward. The question of funding rerunnings is not an issue because,this govt always finds money pafyapuba e.g increased their salaries and rb taking the entire clan for a holiday.
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43. your flag FUTURISTIC, ndakomba buya musa naa tokondwa toeledde kubala nzyelemba. Taaku pe nekusinikizya.
Just read what you can omuntu yebo.
Nalubambe shame on you. Bootlicker.
##35 Please understand, you don’t make a constitution for MMD or Sata. This is our tragedy as Zambians we only think in the short term.
You craft a constitution for the year 2070 when you don’t know who the players or political parties will be. You write a Constitution for the long term where SATA or MMD are not factors.
Will you please stop thinking about Sata or MMD or HH, they are not factors in the long term.
Amen but i wonder if the So called bishop will not be given abrown envelop to withdraw this statement. Oherwise that must be a must for this country to prosper. If Zimbwebwe can hav a rerun what has gone wrong with this country, no wonder why we have useless president. please just a reminder Viva Sata and Father Frank bwalya and the following are well come since we meet them and have agreed to make a coalition. one term is enough for each Party. magande, Maureen Mwanawanya, Clive Chirwa etc fresh blood have joined P. F- Pabwatooooooooooooooo. for 2011 less than 2 and Half years to go for the Polls lets support them. Amen Bishop Vote for Sata 2011 you have spoken well
Meastro Hhe,
Ulibuti mudala ucisi nkobele oko?
#45 Maestro
Ndankwa makani ayo mukwabo. But welede kuhiba kuti milumbe imwi taiyandikwi kuzumanana bobo kutegwa ilaba boring….lol
Watelela mukwesu?
#45 I love this language but havent had a real chance to learn it.
Please lets help HH to join or make coalition with Sata for MMD to be chulked out otherwise MMD will continue ruling this country and messing it up. HH Sata is a man of action and even in 2011 if you will be given a brown envelop to be stealing Sata results i telling you will never even be a vice president. Sata just want to change the MMD and he will give hand over to you and end the term you being a president really own your own you will never achieve you last dreams. Looking at 50 puls one it mean it will be MMD verse P.F it means sata will pull through. But i know MMD will give these guys to vote against 50+1. So country men and women and youths lets vote for 50+1.# 48 has spoken we
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47. your flag NKOLE WA MAPEMBWE, what is your position on the 50 + 1 % issue for I can not seem to get it straight from your postings?
For the rest, Zambia is not a small country but a big one as it is the 39 th rated in terms of land on the whole Earth while it is among the last 10 least developed countries due to mismanagement of vast resources that we have from human to natural resources.
I write that Zambia is a BIG country because a State/Country is defined by territory and population.
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49. your flag man kunde, ne musa. Sejisi nkobele kuno pee.
Mbuti maaumi ooko?
Gbagoo, HH thinks he is super,smart and too educated to mix with Ba mwine, so let him be and we shall see if one day he will ever rule Zed.
when will NCC finish its work?
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50 and 51 FUTURISTIC, ndateelele mukwabo. Koujisi mulimo mubotu ooko. Calino, kamucisola ashyoshyonto mumulaka “uulweela mbuli buci omukupa” bumwi buzuba muyakucizyiba maningi.
#55 Rashid Jones, on your “Gbagoo, HH thinks he is super,smart and too educated to mix with Ba mwine, so let him be and we shall see if one day he will ever rule Zed.”
Inform me as to who run away from each other in the past presidential election planned UPND-PF PACT, was it president HH or PF leader Sata?
As for #52’s “Please lets help HH to join or make coalition with Sata for MMD to be chulked out otherwise MMD will continue ruling this country and messing it up”, if the reason for asking the two to join together is just to get rid of MMD from power without common agreements on plocy matters then the idea is bad and wrong morally.
#55 your are super i like like your paraphrasing seem to be educated and why cant HH Mingle with bamwine. Otherwise i see hh finishing. His pompousness will cost him. he must listen what the people want. Bamwine should be given a chance just to come and clean the messed up Zed and hand over to HH if he agrees or young clive as one blogger eruded. Otherwise people want sata and these MMD know what they have done and one by God is sorting them Otherwise people, s have been disturbed and as far we know GOD is there for us. Oneday things will never be same. 50+1 a must and definately Sata is the next Presideso but if not brown envelop wil start flying even to tha bishop to withdraw his statem
Chewe nao elatusebanya kuti abutuka ichimuntu ichishakwata amano chilandalandafwe ifwabula sense.
#52 Gbagoo isnt it strange that #48 stve and you have the flag type?
Let me address your “HH Sata is a man of action and even in 2011 if you will be given a brown envelop to be stealing Sata results i telling you will never even be a vice president. Sata just want to change the MMD and he will give hand over to you and end the term you being a president really own your own you will never achieve you last dreams.”
The political parties are there to compete and not to make useless alliances aimed at getting a dictator like Sata to be Zambian President with our current weak Constitution which he probably wants to take advantage of and use it like his fellow then undereducate Grade 9 Chiluba
Maestro Hhehhehhehhe, Sata walked out because the big man super Ken started behaving funny
Rashid Jones,
It’s yo SATA who will never rule zed,ored time is not on his side.i therefore humbly ask u to join the winning team coz i know u dont want a heart attack.VIVA HH.
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FTJ our former President. We made one mistake in 1991, even when the educated teacher former President KD Kaunda fore-warned us, and we can not afford to make another mistake – of giving the Undereducate Sata the Presidency.
HH, 46 years old, with his UPND Team can continue providing good governance to the sitting MMD GRZ or any other future one through checks and balances even if he NEVER BECOMES ZAMBIAN PRESIDENT and that will be alright as it is possible and normal. On the otherhand, Sata, 71 years old, must do his job of campaigning with is PF to win Zambian people’s hearts alone as he is a dictator who has had no elections in his personal PF since he coined it in 2001.
Viva 50+1 amen pastor.preach preacher. I have a question,bushe uyu munthu ulemba ati LT award winner 2008. What did he win and is necessary for people to be reading that? This guy is so boring writing a lot of things but just irrelevants. Why quoting for example? can you please just keep it in your heart that you won what that award is.we dont need to be reading the same things everyday.You are the one who even chased Chewe. You are too proud for nothing.
Maestrol
You are an adventist like me,dont expect too much from formal education.King Solomon never passed through formal education,it was jst basic primary and secondary socialisation.Even Bill Gates never succeded at Havard University.Its jst a friendly advise never underestimate uneducated people,they can do wonders if God has given them a talent
These are daft arguments in discourse Bishop.
-No constitution stands the test of time but evolve.
-How would 50+1 avoid if trully any electoral malpractices then enhance electoral transparency and confidence?
-There was no referendum to measure and ascertain majority public support for this clause out of the 11 million plus.
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50+1 nizee
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62. your flag Rashid Jones, on your “Maestro Hhehhehhehhe, Sata walked out because the big man super Ken started behaving funny”, good for writing some truth but please elaborate more on your alleged funny behaviour of former President KD Kaunda.
Otherwise, your point is meant to cheat the uninformed masses who may not be privileged to know that Sata wanted to use his dictatorial tendencies to put president HH is a quagmire by promising him a position of Vice President or something which he could not probably honour immediately he would assume power since our current Constitution is weak. Remember what dictator Self-appointed PF leader Sata did to ULP leader Sakwiba Sikota.
Assumption is the lowest level of knowledge.No scientific measure in place to ascertain support.
Am now confused with PF supporters, they are still advocating for Ba Sata to be Presido in 2011. Don’t they know that what Zed needs are fresh brains and the Oldie should assume an advisory role. Will the MMD ever agree to what the People of Zed want? This 50 + 1 is not for the MMD alone but it for us Zambians. Ba Bishop has spoken so are the other Clergymen!
ati nipa cobra mu 2011
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65. your flag Wewewe, just read what you can and leave out my comments ngati chakubaba. Sorry, if it hurts but you have a choice of avoiding my comments.
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Maestro Hhehhehhehhe, Super Ken was supporting HH and how do you expect such a person to middiate? I dont want to argue with anyone so i urge everyone to wait for 2011 and keep our fingers crossed so that the opposition can win(i dont care who that person will be)
Meastro Hhe,
Sata actually promised HH minister of commerce position.
#71 Legend of the Falls, on your “Am now confused with PF supporters, they are still advocating for Ba Sata to be Presido in 2011”, I am equally surprised.
PS/Sata has people like Dr Chishismba (Bemba), Mr Given Lubinda (half-Lozi), Dr Machungwa, etc who are young and educated to lead the party in 2011, but they are clinging to a Standard 4 or Grade 6 school drop out who has failed us in the MMD GRZ as Minister without Portfolio and also sent thugs to machete my fellow Zambians with a clear dented image the can not be re-built even as the POST his current Imagebuilders have failed to accomplish this task.
PF cadres times have change and this is not 1964 where politics were of struggle.
topic changing slowly to SATA MAN OF ACTION I THINK PIPO LOVE THE OLD MAN **==**==
NO 76 EVEN YOUR LANGUAGE IS THAT OF INSULTS
I would like to see all sectors of Zed join in and echo Bishop Mambo’s stance. Here I want to implore NGOs & all other stake holders to do the needful. Lets put adverts in our tabloids to re-echo the need of a 50%+1.
ABASH MINORITY PRESIDENT
ABASH RURAL PRESIDENT
ABASH REGIONALISM
VIVA ONE ZAMBIA ONE NATION
VIVA ONE ZAMBIA ONE PEOPLE
VIVA MAJORITY PRESIDENT
VIVA 50% + 1 =d>=d>=d>
Maestro Hhe,i don’t know why u can’t see tht HH doesn’t know anything even if u call him educated.Educated people have already seen tht Sata is only person who cares about zed among our politicians.He knows what’s needed for the country. He’s not educated but i like him because he knows more than the educated HH.why going to school if u know everything?Better you make school 4 people who don’t know.Sata knows almost everything.Schools are there to educate people who don’t know and just 4 a stutas.Look at Bilgates 4 example!!He knew,tht’s why he dropped out.Now he employs educated people.Leadership is natural!!
#74 Rashid Jones, on your “Super Ken was supporting HH and how do you expect such a person to middiate?” I am surprised that this is what you can term as “Maestro Hhehhehhehhe, Sata walked out because the big man super Ken started behaving funny” in posing #62.
Though you you dont want to argue more, what credentials does Sata have to have deserved SuperKenny’s, KK’s, support over those of president HH like Masters Degree in Risk Management under MBA, single wife family, successful 40 Billion Kwacha businesses in personal life, democratically elected as UPND president through a convention, sponsoring UNZA students through tution fees, paying for Zambia Police shot 2 UNZA students, etc?
Meastro tata ndibuzye,ati kubuzya takuli kulubizya. i dont belong to any political party but i hear you over and over calling sata undereducate,dictator or whatever you choose,isnt there any other way you can adress him? on the other hand you will attack everyone that had an opposit opinion of HH but at the end of the day these politicians know the game ,when they meet they dont share the hate that the followers do.the other day to told off chewe his mistakes but i see you do the same mistakes which i feel are again the faith in which you claim to stand up right.even super Ken is undereducated but look how far he brought us? take time to reflect on your name calling..
# 82. Supergal
I see you becoming the next “Chewe”!!! b-(
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80. your flag russia -moscow, #
78. your flag NYAMASOYA BANDA, #
75. your flag man kunde, #
66. your flag Luapula Fish59. your flag Gbagoo;
the LEGO ROVER Competition is starting at in the next 15 minutes and so, I have to leave now. I will address your querries and comments later if they will not interfere with the Sabbath Day of the Lord God, our Creator, later on in the evening when we finish this thing at about 17 or 18 hours.
Keep well and be blessed.
# 80. I think your analysis should seal the regurgitation from Maestro Hhehhehhehhe about his so called undereducated. Leadership is not all about degrees. Let’s move on, Mr. Hhehhehhehhe!
Maestro Hhehhehhehhe, i dont judge people because of education but their ability to deliver and have a heart for the poor. HH is failing to convince Zambians that he is a good man and can deliver which Sata has managed to do.
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82. your flag Supergal, I will address your concerns later, but on “even super Ken is undereducated but look how far he brought us?”, please provide details as to the best of my knowledge Super Kenny, KK, was at Munali Secondary and went up to Standard Ten becoming a Teacher through College afterwards.
I look forward to reading your claims later in the day.
Bye bye for now.
I am officially over and out.
JAMACO,hi love hiope you are fine.i have observed for a while i think we need to practice what we preach and have mature way of adressing political issues.this kind of bitterness can land our country in trouble should we have that kind of leaders. its here wher we also learn of pepoles characters.
# 82. Supergal You have been put on the List!!
I told you!! These Zed Politics remind me of the Muppet show!!
But surely even if it is not about his low level education, Sata has lost his usefulness. Sure mwe
# 88. Supergal
I am doing good. Many thanks!!
Well I have also observed alot on this Site too!!
Still one should posses a litte sense of humour!!
Humour happens to be one on Politic’s incredients!!
Cheers Love… I am out for a Meeting LATA!
Can people discuss the topic at hand not this SATA business it is irritating to say the least.
Correction 91 ” Humour happens to be one of Politic’s incredients!! ”
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I think mastro lacks something.People who have been to universities see that education is there just to support us.I’m still at university and see sata as a person with a virsion.How many people who have doctorates have been presidents in da world? How many educated people do we have in zed?what are they achieved in zed?They can’t even see tht 50+1 will be good for zed.Only sata among politicians sees tht.I’ve never heard HH talking about 50+1.Tell me what he can offer if he can’t see 50+1 is good 4 a country?Mastro u’re stubborn for no reason.learn to see, then think before doing Ctrl C and Ctrl v. Don’t put down people who’ve never been 2 universities.
I have seen that people have continued with their hostile behaviour towards my president Sata. But now i dont comment i just watch.Enjoy yourselves guys love.
Why are you people stubornly glued to this SATA, eh. You accuse Hehehehe and yet you do the same by stubornly defending sata. Talk about hypocricy.
Hhehhehhehhe and his opponents are simply different sides of the same coin.
Mastro!!we’re all adventists and our church don’t support such writings of conderming the an educated.I don’t how u contribute on sabath school coz u like ideas. U’re the people bring politics in church just because HH is an SDA.Last time wnen i was in zed i knew what happened at central church.
Mr mastro bring new ideas on this blog.we are tired of yo Ctrl c and Ctrl v.Happy sabbath! Go and study Spiritual Gifts and Prophecy.it’s tomorrow’s lesson!
#96 i would appreciate if you quote where i defend SATA, i put it clear, i dont belong to any political party while others prefer HH others do SATA but i dont see the reason for perpetual (sp) attack on just one politician as though he is the only opposition.maybe your point is mine too that im tired of sata this sata that and his education, there is so much people here can debate other than sata and his education.
Mastro!!we’re all adventists and our church don’t support such writings of conderming the un educated.I don’t know how u contribute on sabath school coz u like ideas. U’re the people who bring politics in church just because HH is an SDA.Last time wnen i was in zed i knew what happened at central church.
Mr mastro, bring new ideas on this blog.we are tired of yo Ctrl c and Ctrl v.Happy sabbath! Go and study Spiritual Gifts and Prophecy.it’s tomorrow’s lesson!
Supergal
Ok I hear you. The people am talking about are those who consistently defend SATA whenever he is attacked. That type of people are no different from the other. If you get what I mean.
Just as much as SATA is iritating to hear him mentioned, it is as equally iritating to hear people defend him.
#101 i get your point..i really do…. maybe we share that view.im a cool spirited person even if i disagree with you i do it in a sweet way.:x
This 50+1 % i feel most people dont even understand,blogger russia, so you are ready to fight for 50+1% and ashamed of your country, go back home buddy and raise the iq as you claim. a constitution should be long term and not just to kick out MMD, then the next govt will chnage constitution too? what aspects of this new constitution dow e even understand? why should 50+1% be the only thing being talked about, what does it say on due process,human rights, welfare of children and women. Lets not waste time of this 50+1% as this is just a statehouse ambition. Just campaign and no need for 50+1%.
Chewe
Where are you man?I really miss you I promise this time I will be behind you.Please come back mwana.
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78. your flag NYAMASOYA BANDA, please quote for me just one insult in my language with its source. I will try to respond to you when the Holy Sabbath is over for now I have to prepare ffood and other stuff in preparation for today night and tomorrow day (Genesis 1: 5).
All the best in this effort and take care.
#86. your flag Rashid Jones, you wrote “Maestro Hhehhehhehhe, i dont judge people because of education but their ability to deliver and have a heart for the poor. HH is failing to convince Zambians that he is a good man and can deliver which Sata has managed to do.”
How has president HH been on the Zambian political scene actively? How has Sata been there? If that will be too difficulty for you to answer, HH has been there since August 2006 which is less than 3 years and Sata since the independence struggle and so I will put it at 44 years since we got Independence in 1964. Now, look at the votes from the whole Zambia and see who has actually done well in terms of reaching Zambians.
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#86. Rashid Jones, in my posting #81 I wrote “Though you you dont want to argue more, what credentials does Sata have to have deserved SuperKenny’s, KK’s, support over those of president HH like Masters Degree in Risk Management under MBA, single wife family, successful 40 Billion Kwacha businesses in personal life, democratically elected as UPND president through a convention, sponsoring UNZA students through tution fees, paying for Zambia Police shot 2 UNZA students, etc?”
These are some of the points I use to support HH including his donations to the flood victims, etc. and not education only.
Not please provide me with MC Sata’s credentials instead of just writing that
#106 continued.
NOW please provide me with MC Sata’s credentials instead of just writing that “Maestro Hhehhehhehhe, i dont judge people because of education but their ability to deliver and have a heart for the poor…” as you did in posting #86 please provide they criteria you judge people.
My postings in 107. your flag Maestro Hhehhehhehhe provide my judgement to support HH and I do not think I MUST rewrite why I can never support MC Sata for Zambian President as they are all over LT threads and almost all of you know then.
By the way, who judges people on education ONLY?
#100 russia -moscow thanks and happy Sabbath too. On your “U’re the people who bring politics in church just because HH is an SDA.Last time wnen i was in zed i knew what happened at central church”, please provide details for I do not know that president HH is SDA.
According to what I know HH is Roman Catholic! I have not proof though, but I can get it as soon as possible. To the best of my knowledge, NO SDA Christian will campaign on the Sabbath, but HH was giving a rally on the Sabbath with Sata regarding the salaries and allowances for a President and other Constitutional officers. So, how SDA is HH?
Please, tell me what happened at Lusaka Central Church for I dont know it!
85. Agenda for Zambia , while your comment is respected, I assure you that I do not make agreements to stop doing a right thing, so the debates continue from my side.
As for the rest of you, I will respond to your querries tomorrow evening for now, I have to attend to the good Lord God’s commandments.
be blessed you all and take care.
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LT 2008 Award Winner. =; for Zambia in 2011.
it is not 50+1%. it is 50%+1 mwebantu.
50+ 1 Viva.
I just we introduce Green ribons from tomorrow in support of 50+1.
I will start with here.
“Divided we fall,United We stand”
Its must we need 50 +1, If htey decide otherwise, this time will be like 1990 when people wanted change,but it will massive.
I don’t care how the government feels, tukachivivula!!!
50 +1 Zalomious, or else tukakuzova. Mwabelesha Ba pompye!!!
NO MORE FAMILY TREES, BA CHIMB-WI
pa zed mwaeba echo muchulila mulibachilafi. Mailo umuntu ali li savage alekoma abantu amapanga lelo ni presidential material pantu alelenda sweet talk mwalamwita ati bamwine.utulanda ifya mano nga ka HH tamufwaya nakumfwa pantu tafyalowa. Mailo umuntu ewali champion wa third term lelo amuti ni master democrat. Mwanya mukamubikepo ngakuti mwakwanisha.
No two ways about it Bishop =d>=d>=d>=d>=d>=d>=d>
the idea of 51% majority vote is a good idea on paper but practically improbable in zambia’s political setting. in my opinion it will remain so until we as zambians decide to modify the legal requirement to form a politic party. its very dishurtening to have 5 political parties all vying for the presidency. the result is a split of votes with the inevitable out of the likes of banda scooping the presidency. we should formulate a requirement for only two parties to contest.
#116 Umuntu Mutwe – The idea of having too many political parties was mooted by that infamous dribbler for obvious reasons
Fear factor for the guilty ones. Go 50+1 go.
YES WE WANT IT,WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT.
VIVA 50%+1
94. russia -moscow, you wrote “I think mastro lacks something.People who have been to universities see that education is there just to support us.I’m still at university and see sata as a person with a virsion.How many people who have doctorates have been presidents in da world? How many educated people do we have in zed?”
Check your English and mine and see whether your Russian univeristy can compare to UNZA where I did my undergraduate.
Also, check the news on ww w. lusakatimes. com/ ?p = 7346 as I will use it below to quote things for you, younger man.
94. russia -moscow, what vision not “virsion” probably do you see Undereducate MC Sata having? IS it the vision of macheting fellow Zambians with pangas and other stuff using PF thugs this time following his MMD thugs display in Chawama?
On how many educated people do we have in Zed, please with the Ministry of Education as to how many people have been up to Standard 10 or Grade 12 through passing the examinations under the Examination Council of Zambia. Also, check with the British Council in Lusaka on how many have sat for the London/Cambridge School Certificate exams and passed it in Zambia.
You will have an idea of how many educated Zedians are there at the moment.
94. russia -moscow, you also wrote “what are they achieved in zed?They can’t even see tht 50+1 will be good for zed.Only sata among politicians sees tht.I’ve never heard HH talking about 50+1.Tell me what he can offer if he can’t see 50+1 is good 4 a country?Mastro u’re stubborn for no reason.”
How many people have educated leacturers at UNZA and other tertiary institutions also Secondary and primary School taught life skills? Isnt producing educated Zambians who are working in almost all countries especially paying tax to GRZ to sponsor you, russia-moscow, to learn in Russia an achievement?What is happening to your brain younger man? Is it working properly? Convince me its proper working!
94. russia -moscow, you also wrote “They can’t even see tht 50+1 will be good for zed.Only sata among politicians sees tht.I’ve never heard HH talking about 50+1.Tell me what he can offer if he can’t see 50+1 is good 4 a country?Mastro u’re stubborn for no reason.”
Please, quote for me that alleged position your have accused Undereducate Sata of by his actual works and providing the link to it soonest!
On your ill-informed rant on president HH, I will show you that you read news in a disillusioned way deliberately to miss HH’s well meaning points below.
94. russia -moscow, you also wrote “I’ve never heard HH talking about 50+1.Tell me what he can offer if he can’t see 50+1 is good 4 a country?Mastro u’re stubborn for no reason.”
““For the opposition political party to win an election in Africa is not easy. Africa needs to congratulate Ghana. Ghanaian elections have proved that even in Zambia the 50 plus one per cent threshold is a necessity as it is the only way to rescue the country from having another mediocre and unpopular republican president in 2011,” Hichilema said.”
Source: maravi. blogspot. com/ 2009/ 01/ zambias- opposition- leader- calls- for- 50. ht ml
Get to the link above and then comment on your new education from me!
125 continued.
94. russia -moscow, even the UPND as a TEAM and not only president Hakainde Hichilema have advised that 50+1% must be include in the new Constitution on:
“Meanwhile United Party for National Development vice president Richard Kapita has urged NCC members to support the inclusion of the fifty plus one percent.
Mr. Kapita said Zambia can only have a majority President using the fifty plus one percent.”
Source: ww w.lusakatimes. com/ ?p = 7346
Did you need spectacles to read this news you seem never to have seen or you misread it because of your illusions regarding Sata whom you claim has a vi(r)sion, russia-moscow?
#94. russia -moscow, on “Maestro Hhe,i don’t know why u can’t see tht HH doesn’t know anything even if u call him educated.Educated people have already seen tht Sata is only person who cares about zed among our politicians.He knows what’s needed for the country. He’s not educated but i like him because he knows more than the educated HH.why going to school if u know everything?Better you make school 4 people who don’t know.Sata knows almost everything.Schools are there to educate people who don’t know and just 4 a stutas,” I have just realised that I have been trying to teach/educate a thick headed character who has chose to overlook TRUTH right before his eyes due to self-deception.
#94. russia -moscow, on “Maestro Hhe,i don’t know why u can’t see tht HH doesn’t know anything even if u call him educated”, is it me who calls president HH educated or it is the testimony that his obtaining Merit in a BSc Economics programme at UNZA that shows HH is EDUCATED?
Younger man, what are you doing in Russia for you are a true disgrace to educated Zambians throughout this Earth?
You couldn’t answer a simple JAVA programming question which ‘Abena Copperbelt’, your fellow 7th Day Adventist (SDA) asked you last year since you claim to be “we’re all adventists” in # 100 above and you claim I cant see.
# 100 russia-moscow, which SDA Church are you a member of? Are you a baptised SDA member or a Sabbath School SDA member with these our SDA two categories? If you are a baptised SDA Church member, do you attend Main Service only as a PASSIVE SDA baptised member or you are an ACTIVE SDA baptised member who attends almost all or all church programmes from morning about 8:30 to 17:30 hours on Sabbaths learning truths and useful life stuff to equip you with Bible Knowledge that will help you stand against the Mark of the Beast enforcers?
Your behaviour leaves much to be desired younger man!
#94. russia -moscow, on “Educated people have already seen tht Sata is only person who cares about zed among our politicians.He knows what’s needed for the country. He’s not educated but i like him because he knows more than the educated HH.why going to school if u know everything?Better you make school 4 people who don’t know.Sata knows almost everything.Schools are there to educate people who don’t know and just 4 a stutas”, can you give me which educated people speciafically have already seen that Sata is the only person who cares about zed among our politicians as I am not part of them educated people please?
#94 russia -moscow, what does Sata know that is needed for the country that he did not do as Minister of Portfolio (3rd former President Chiluba in running then Chiluba Administration MMD GRZ)? On ‘He’s not educated but i like him because he knows more than the educated HH’ opinion, I will take it you deserve right to it. This opinion of yours is clearly out of emotions as you yourself puts it that you LIKE Sata. On “why going to school if u know everything?Better you make school 4 people who don’t know.Sata knows almost everything”, whay everything does Undereducate MC Sata know? He doesnt even construct English well like you russia-moscow!Please ask Sata to help you with that JAVA problem.
#94 russia -moscow, what does Sata know that is needed for the country that he did not do as Minister of Portfolio (3rd former President Chiluba in running then Chiluba Administration MMD GRZ)? On ‘He’s not educated but i like him because he knows more than the educated HH’ opinion, I will take it you deserve right to it. This opinion of yours is clearly out of emotions as you yourself puts it that you LIKE Sata. On “why going to school if u know everything?Better you make school 4 people who don’t know.Sata knows almost everything”, what everything does Undereducate MC Sata know? He doesnt even construct English well like you russia-moscow!Please ask Sata to help you with that JAVA problem.
#94 russia -moscow, on “Schools are there to educate people who don’t know and just 4 a stutas”, is this why you are in Russia studying? If this is the case then you are wasting tax payers money younger man and you deserve to have your sponsorship withdrawn forcing you to re-pay back the money GRZ has been wasting on you. I will leave it at this as I would not want to educate a time and country money waster like you for nothing but to have STATUS, not stutas if that is what you were meaning in your terrible writing.
100. russia -moscow, in your “‘Mastro!!we’re all adventists and our church don’t support such writings of conderming the un educated.I don’t know how u contribute on sabath school coz u like ideas. U’re the people who bring politics in church just because HH is an SDA… Mr mastro, bring new ideas on this blog.we are tired of yo Ctrl c and Ctrl v.Happy sabbath! Go and study Spiritual Gifts and Prophecy.it’s tomorrow’s lesson!”, young man I strive to study the Study Guide everyday instead of doing a quick unsatisfactory rushed reading on friday. Do you know whay there is a study for each day of the week? It is not tomorrow’s lesson but a day to day lesson for the whole week.
100. russia -moscow, where did I condemn the “un educated”, please quote and provide a link? In opposite to you thinking, I have lovengly been calling for the Undereducate Sata, 71 yrs, G=Standard 4 or Grade 6 school drop out, to make sure he doesnt miss out on registering for Grade 7 exams slated for this 2009 year end since the better President RB Banda Administration has been providing free education to all those who want to go to school including MC Sata.
100. russia -moscow, I go to Church on Sabbath to worship God in TRUTH AND SPIRIT participating fully normally in all discussion following “[KJV Bible] John 4:23 “But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.” There is absolutely no room for politics for me at church (see Isaiah 58:13)!
What new ideas MUST I bring on the blog? The Holy Bible I use is old. This entails that HISTORY is very important. Sata has a history of which I will continue to expose (see below). The SDA Church uses the Bible and History to expose the Roman Catholic Church and others regarding the coming trouble.
100. russia -moscow, Ezra, Daniel, Revelation, Matthew, Thessalonians and History tell it all. Only unprepared characters will find themselves in trouble when Jesus Christ shall come. russia -moscow do not just try to memorise scriptures on Friday evening for the Sabbath School classes discussions, but study them throughout the week for your advise to me shows that your behaviour is dangerous. You need to be prepared all the time, younger man.
Ephesians 5 + NIV Bible
5:8 For you were oncep darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of lightq 9 (for the fruitr of the light consists in all goodness,s righteousness and truth) 10 and find out what pleases the Lord.t 11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness,u but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the lightv becomes visible, 14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said:
“Wake up, O sleeper,
rise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you.”
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All the best russia-moscow in changing your mind for the better.
82. Supergal, on “Meastro tata ndibuzye,ati kubuzya takuli kulubizya. i dont belong to any political party but i hear you over and over calling sata undereducate,dictator or whatever you choose,isnt there any other way you can adress him? ”
There are many ways I can address him, but I choose to address him by the TRUTH, Under-educate as he is a Standard 6 equivalent to a Grade 6 school drop out, comparing to what he calls democratically elected UPND president HH.
I will call him what I deem fit and no one will convince to change my mind as long as it is true that the man is an undereducate which is not an insult.
82. Supergal, on “on the other hand you will attack everyone that had an opposit opinion of HH but at the end of the day these politicians know the game ,when they meet they dont share the hate that the followers do.the other day to told off chewe his mistakes but i see you do the same mistakes which i feel are again the faith in which you claim to stand up right… take time to reflect on your name calling”, thanks but as long as what I call the Undereducate is true I clearly see no wrong in it. I have nothing to hide and will do what is necessary according to the TRUTH available. If the names I use for name calling were not representing the available truth I would have changed.
75. man kunde, on “Meastro Hhe, Sata actually promised HH minister of commerce position.”
Interesting data. Is the Undereducate a man that any objective thinking person can trust on any single thing? Well, some may be duped but never me.
Thanks very much fellow Citizen and take careful care always.
97. Anonymous, thanks for the most objective point you have noted in writing “Hhehhehhehhe and his opponents are simply different sides of the same coin.”
You know what my fellow World Citizen, I have not problem with any one who insults me becaues I know that they need more of my and others’ prayers for them to be loosed from the devil’s hook. I try hard to let them give up there behaviour, but well there choice prevails at the end of the day.
I will however seek to provide the TRUTH and no one will stop that except when the good Lord God will decide to recall me.
All the best and keep well.
66. Luapula Fish, you wrote “Maestrol
You are an adventist like me,dont expect too much from formal education.King Solomon never passed through formal education,it was jst basic primary and secondary socialisation.Even Bill Gates never succeded at Havard University.Its jst a friendly advise never underestimate uneducated people,they can do wonders if God has given them a talent”
My fellow Adventist, which uneducated people are you referring to? I have from time to time distinguished from the Under-educate and un-educated and so what do you mean exactly?
#142 continued.
On Solomon, the Jews had to learn from the Rabbis. Remember, they were so shocked to learn from Jesus Christ when he talked because they had never instructed Him in their schools.
Please, instead of trying to justify the Undereducate’s inadequecies with people who had enough education like Bill Gates find better examples to show us what your man Sata is made of. Bill Gates made it to college, University in actual terms, which is way too advanced compared to grade 6 or Standard 4.
The man you are comparing to King Solomon who was given wisdom by God sent MMD thugs to machete your fellow Zambians in Chawama Comppund and also said that any winner in the last Presidential
election will have to rule until 2013 when five years elapses from 2008. Is that wisdom, my fellow Adventist, 66. Luapula Fish?
Even if you come from Luapula and the Undereducate comes from Mpika or so of which you two are classified as Bemba poeple, please be objective instead of showing us pure support based on tribal lines.
PF/Sata has a lot of educated people to take the mantel forward, which is a better idea than clinging to spent material that imagebuilding has failed to clean even though the Imagebuilders are trying so hard.
I look forward to reading from you on this one.
Honestly, its not important who wins the election in 2011 but whats important is the people, their main best interest and that of the country. The government should be for the people and be by the people. If Bishob is to receive a brown envelope to withdraw his statement, it goes to prove that people today still arent independant and dont have freedom of speech. If the majority of the people believe the 50%+1 should be iplemented, it goes to show its what they want. The constitution shouldnt be placed in advantage of the ones in power but be the voices of the Nation. ^:)^ Amen Bishob.
we are in a democratic country and if its domocracy that they want then they have to give the people what they want and not just to be self centreed. they are saving us and not vise versa.
GjHERA comment2 ,