EXECUTIVE committee members of the National Constitutional Conference (NCC) yesterday failed to reach consensus on whether the Vice-President should be a running mate.
Under the current constitution, upon winning an election, the President appoints the Vice-President.
A running mate entails that the election of the Vice-President shall be conducted at the same time as that of the President so that a vote cast for the presidential candidate is a cast vote for the Vice-President. The running mate is picked by a presidential candidate.
The committee, which is chaired by MMD national chairman, Michael Mabenga, failed to agree on whether or not to adopt the Mungomba draft constitution article 144 Clause Two which states that the Vice-President shall be elected as a running mate to a presidential candidate.
Article 45 Clause Two of the current constitution says the Vice-President must be appointed by the President from among members of the National Assembly.
In submitting his proposal in a heated debate, Southern Province minister Daniel Munkombwe said there was need for the President to adopt a Vice-President with whom he would be able to work without difficulties.
Mr Mukombwe noted that the country would make a mistake to have a Vice-President as a running mate as it would encourage competition among the two.
“We can not begin experimenting with American politics. The Americans have greater experience when it comes to politics of running mates.
“As Zambians, we need to continue with the trend where the President appoints his Vice-President who would obey him and not having a running mate who can bring about competition,” he said.
Swebby Macha, representing the Medical Association of Zambia, supported the motion to have a Vice-President as a running mate, adding that it would bring about job security in that office.
Dr Macha said the Vice-President should have enough security to make decisions without fear of being fired by the President.
“When the Vice-President is a running mate, he or she draws the mandate from the people and not the President, so that person is able to make independent decisions.
“I further support this motion because it will discourage bootlicking and will ensure continuity in the office of the President in case of the death of the sitting President,” he said.
Dr Macha said it would cost the country less resources in case of the death of a sitting President, as the Vice-President would take over office without being subjected to elections.
He said the country has had 13 Vice-Presidents since independence because their jobs were not secure as Presidents could fire them any time.
“We all know by now that the October elections cost Zambia K400 billion because currently, the system we have is that the Vice-President, who is appointed by the President, must be subjected to elections once the position of presidency is vacant,” he added.
Minister of Presidential Affairs, Gabriel Namulambe, said the country was not yet ready to have a Vice-President as a running mate.
“If we encourage the idea of running mate, we are going to do nothing but encourage intra-party conflicts. We lack trust for one another and so many things, such as witchcraft, would manifest because the Vice-President may aspire to be in the office of the President.
“As Zambians, we ought to be cautious with borrowed democracy because ours is static as opposed to other countries,” he said.
Pastor Peter Mulenga from the United Christian Action said there was nothing wrong with the country having a Vice-President as a running mate to the President and suggested that the article be amended to allow the President to choose his running mate.
“Running mate does not mean running enemy, and I propose that if some people are not comfortable with this, then let the President choose the running mate in order to bring about trust,” he said.
United Party for National Development vice-president, Richard Kapita, also supported the motion of a running mate, saying that there was need for the country to do away with the old system of the President appointing his Vice-President.
“The fact that the country has enjoyed peace since independence does not mean we should remain static with old politics. It’s time we started learning democracies of other countries and not remain backward,” he said.
Nchelenge constituency member of Parliament, Ben Mwila, said it would be dangerous for Zambia to have a Vice-President as a running mate to the President as it would split the nation.
“In the First Republic, we had problems because some Vice-Presidents where trying to become more powerful than the President, and that’s where regional politics originated from.
“Why should we have a running mate who would want to share power with the president?” he asked.
Senior Chief Nzamane of the Ngoni said the country needed to adopt a system of a running mate as it had many advantages.
“We need to transform as a country because change is inevitable and I, therefore, support the article to have a running mate,” he said.
The debate resumes today.
Earlier, the committee adopted Article 141 of the draft constitution which seeks to give the President powers in consultation with Cabinet to declare a national disaster, whether natural or man-made.
Meanwhile, MMD member Ludgwig Sondashi said at a press briefing in Lusaka yesterday that he supported the proposal by the NCC to have ministers appointed from outside Parliament.
Dr Sondashi said he also supported the proposal to have 15 Cabinet ministers as it would reduce Government expenditure.
“Currently, the President can appoint any number of ministers he wants without any restraint from any quarter. As a result, we have a situation where three quarters of members of the ruling party are on the front bench.
“This is not only a drain on our resources but unnecessary for the efficient delivery of public services,” he said.
[Zambia Daily Mail ]
Ok
Too long
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They need to include that in the new constitution,a running mate keeps things in balance especially when there is trouble eg when the President is impeached,dies etc
I will read through before I open my mouth. :d
This does not surprise me.
5. 3RqU you already did at #2 :o:o:o:o
I was busy responding to the mad moderator on the other thread, well done Matworldl-).
Now let me digest this report.
Just said too long Jamaco!:o:o
I say that in my sleep without opening my mouth:d:d
May be in three to four weeks they will decide
I think most of those chaps giving their views like Ben Mwila are so shallow,why are they saying if a Veep is a running mate then it means he shares the same powers with the President,that is not the case,they have to define in that same constitution the powers of either of them,they cannot be equal that is why one of them is Vice,number two not equal!
Namulambe is also being shallow by saying it will encourage the Veep to want to get rid of the President thru witchcarft etc,what crap!!
Daniel Mukombwe finnaly or sometimes u speak sense. check out the african countries which have ended up having a war over running mates becoming presidents
8. Nine Chale I was also defending the Territory on the other thread!! This is what we get when we pull our sleeves up.
Anyway Congrats to Numbala l-) and always remember that there is always a J behind you :d
Namulambe has dissapointed me. Honestly in this time an era, a Presidential Affairs Minister can sink so low as to bring Witchcraft in mordern politics ? 😮
“If we encourage the idea of running mate, we are going to do nothing but encourage intra-party conflicts. We lack trust for one another and so many things, such as witchcraft, would manifest because the Vice-President …..”
The ‘running mate’ concept is what we need to avoid veeps who will be bootlickers like KATOLOSHI !
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cant understand!! fyafulisha….
Away with the “yes Bwana” mentality and let the V-Presido stand on his own!! This will also reduce the possibility of a Corrupt Presido, because big Bro is watching!
V-presido should become a running mate. Nothing wrong with that!!
Y fail 2 agree? problem is most of these NCC members just dose & fail 2 debut objectively,i mean i watched Mulongoti debut the other day & the man managed 2 convince me that my taxes are being worsted @ NCC.
I support the running mate for vice president to avoid what we just went through as a nation. What are you scared off boot lickers?
Ama levels !!!! considering the level of politics we have reached in Zambia, this can cause more trouble that good.The countries that are doing that have come a long way and their level of understanding politics is so mature that we can not surely compare our selves to them. What can happen if the President and his Vice comes from different parties? in Zambia this can be total confusion but in countries with matured politics, this can be a piece of cake to handle. Lets give our Politics more room to mature before introducing a running mate system. I am not saying its a bad idea, but the Zambian context can not surely support this endeavor positively.
NCC delegates pliz we are spending 2 much on u give us a good constitution that is in tune with the 21st century & just modern world.Zambia is over 40yrs 4 god’s sake let us move 4ward with the 50+1,running mate,True separation of powers & lesser powers 4 the President.
They should have picked LT bloggers on this NCC, it seems there is more sense comming from the blogg than the NCC.
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Why should the appointed person as a running mate have equal powers?Why cant these people debate on how the powers would be shared between the two instead of thinking of witch craft and so forth?Whats wrong with our current leaders?Competition is the source of development.Thats why we have lagged too behind because of the fear of the unknown.Why are these people in politics if they are not yet mature?
Namulabe what do you this country is not yet ready to have a Vice-President as a running mate, tell us when will it be ready??? as a matter of fact that’s what we need, it will lessen you people being goodie, goodie type of people you are hoping to be appointed as vice president by the president. Namulabe times are changing..please.
When are we going to be mature ba #19 naimwe.Do you need only to be told umm?Tashilila ingoma batata poseniko amano.
May free advice to RB is check the people that you are bringing too close e.g Presidential Affairs G. Namulambe. He has a shallow mind.
Moderator,
There are chaps on this thread who are making it irrelevant.They are obsessed with being number 1, what crap is this? Lets debate sensible things here, y’all stink!
times are changing indeed and i see no reason why they argued that Zambia is static and should remain so. development means positive change, and change will never come with this kind of attitude. woder what kind of credentials these NCC officials have for them to think so backwards. our colonisers once said that it wil take 2 thousand yrs for Africans to be able to rule themseves and now i see why
Our minister of presidential affairs could only thing of witchcraft as a best reason for NCC to go against running mate.Honestly how can we move this nation forward with top government ministers thinking like a traditional healers with no proper way of defending there points.We need meritocratic recruitments at all levels of government position to start a good chance of enganging informed people to direct the development of our loved nation.
Somebody educate here – I thought the running mate is chosen by the first runner or aspriring president and he definitely would pick on one with similar principles
19. Zimandola One
What can happen if the President and his Vice comes from different parties? in Zambia this can be total confusion but in countries with matured politics, this can be a piece of cake to handle.
You haven’t understood the article pleaase read paragraph 3
A running mate entails that the election of the Vice-President shall be conducted at the same time as that of the President so that a vote cast for the presidential candidate is a cast vote for the Vice-President. The running mate is picked by a presidential candidate.
Folks, engage yourselves in critical analysis. WHO ARE AGAINST: Daniel Munkombwe, Southern Prov. Minister, Minister of Presidential Affairs, Gabriel Namulambe, Ben Mwila. WHO ARE FOR: Swebby Macha, representing the Medical Association of Zambia, Pastor Peter Mulenga from the United Christian Action, United Party for National Development vice-president, Richard Kapita, Senior Chief Nzamane of the Ngoni. CAN YOU SEE RB TALKING DIECTLY THROUGH HIS HENCHMEN. This clause is supposed to give the President executive powers and make it clear that a VP is a President in waiting only although they can perform minor govt. functions. You see the problem of having Dinosaurs for leaders.
Zambians let us wake up and boot out the likes of Namulambe,Honestly in this time and erra someone must be talking about witchcraft in governance?.I think think this man used charms to be where he is as he has manifested faith in charm.Please let people who run these offices be of soung educational backgrounds unlike the like of Namulambe who believes in Nyanga together with Katele
In a work enviroment how do we adjust and get to work with who ever we find as our work mate. Why is it so difficult for our politicians to have a running mate for only five years.
This cant be a problem we need sanity in our politics.
Running mate no good for ZAMBIA.Bootlickers will have no room as they will not know where to lick from and it might greatly divide the country.Having two camps will not be easy for ZAMBIA.MMD could even have a vice President.
I am proposing that a Presidential candidate should have his own running mate, and that he should be his Vice President through out his term of office.
Since 1991 our politics hasn’t changed, if anything it has became rubbish.
What do you expect from a commitee led by Micheal Mabenga this man reeks of corruption , his dull and very un inspiring.
Am sure Gabriel Namulambe himself is a suspect, Katele Kalumba’s mate…lol
Sondashi seems to have sobered up. Good point he is supporting.
If Mabenge wasnt Lozi,some of you people wouldnt have been attacking him left ,right and centre.The only sin he committed maybe its because he is lozi.Just come out in open and speak the truth and hiding facts in Mabenge.That man is hard working and transparent and he ill go down in history
# 30, yes indeed but after the vote in the US where we are trying to borrow from, once the President is elected, the Vice is also automatically elected on the same ticket implying that you can not fire him as President and is a President in waiting in case of eventualities such as death, he automatically assumes office. An amendment that was made to the US constitution had to deal with the vagueness in terms of succession but that has been sorted out and it is very clear that if the President dies or anything, the VP succeeds him/her but has no executive powers.
Great read…..Proudly Zambian 🙂
The compostion of that grouping called NCC is highly questionable. Thats why we have such contributions from the likes of the munkombwes, namulambes and BY. Their brains are filled with cadre mentality , they think RB can remove them from their GRZ positions if they ever say anything agaist his desires.
The other day i was watching the proceedings of ncc, i liked contributions from Mutumbi Goma and Ernest mwansa but vera tembo chiluba never opened her mouth during the entire session. I wonder what contributions will the likes of vera make towards this process.
This country will never go anywhere as long as we keep people like Namulambe who always say ,zambia is not ready for a 50+1 vote ,for a vice president as a running mate.This man is an IRRITANT to the learned fraternity! >:)>:)>:)
I support the calls to have a running mate. I feel the vice president work under fear and as such supports everything the president says, whether right or wrong for fear of losing his job. Its Yes bwana, yes bwana for five years! its not amusing. And this tendency of hire and fire anytime the president feels like is not that much appealing to me.Presidential powers should be reduced!
There you go again, the toothless NCC, the money drainer NCC, the wasteful NCC is in the news and always for the bad reason. WE dont need it.
“EXECUTIVE committee members of the National Constitutional Conference (NCC) yesterday failed to reach consensus on whether the Vice-President should be a running mate.”
Why this failure? We need selfless leadership not the current leaders whom we have right now. The selfishness they have exhibited over the would-be Dr Cardson Kabwe, a Zambian studying in Russia under the 17 year old MMD GRZ sponsorship, leaves much to be desired. Mr C. Kabwe has been sick for 4 months now and is only remaining with 2 months before his heart disease worsens as was diagnosed by the capable Russian Doctors. Instead of helping him, our leaders are busy going to South Africa for treatment and tours.
sorry to digress but where is the CIA prison located in Zambia as stated in the POST? who allowed it?
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Choosing a running mate will hence ensure that a Zambian presidential candidate picks someone whom he fully trusts as a would-be Vice President for the Country.
Thus we will avoid Presidential By-elections in an event that our President dies as it was for late President LP Mwanawasa. Also, the issue of firing the Vice President like it was for pastor Nevers Mumba and others before him will be solved once and for all.
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Very dissappointed with the NCC members who still think backwards, witch craft mentioned by Namulambe a christian for that matter is disapointment. When is our democracy going to mature 18 years we still want to hold on old practices.O boy what a waste of money to have such deligates who think so low. Parties who nominated such type of deligates must recall them from NCC instead of wasting tax money for talking nonsense. Very shamefull
Thinking that having a running mate will reduce the costs of by-elections is erroneous! It will actually probably increase the cost because if the pres dies or leaves offcie, the VP becomes pres but then we need a national by-elction to fill his old VP job! We would also have the new situation of national by-elections if the VP dies or leaves office. What is going on in Zed kanshi?
For once i surpot daniel Munkombwe, borrowed politics will not work in Zambia.If you want a running mate system so that in the event that the president dies he takes over then the Traditional Healers Association will have a there day just like lawyers and the task force.i can asure you issues of Vudu will be rampant this use to happen under KK in the Military when deputies would outomatically rise if the seniour dies. Secondly the president will be forced to choose a running mate based on tribal lines, under this scenario all minority tribes will have to forget about VIP. i.e if HH choose one from western then forget the Bemba and East vote same applies to Sata and RB.This Aftrica Bloggers
First let me take off my tie and shirt,then i start laughing ahahaha, hahahaha mayowe mayowe,ahahahaha.Namulambe are you not ashamed of yourself.waya landapo fya bu witchcraft as you are making that important document called constitution.Thats the calibre of ministers and mps you have in parliament.Full of useless staff. Guys i love you so much,all of you bloggers kuti mwampata ati nachiponta pali ka Chiluba.Fya kuifwaila ka mudala.Baby C we didnt finish our issue yesterday. Ba Martworld back to form nomba ka.Mwaba ba Award winner kwati ni aba,aba shakwata ishina ba tragedy proffessor.
howzit guyz,
Ive been given this assignment by someone:
You told 2 draw ( exactly) 4litres of water and you are only provided with 5 and 3L containers.
So how do you use the given containers (5L,3L) to get exactly 4L?? :-w
The last few years that i have been frequenting my country and assisting collegues in campagns i have learnt a few things about african politics. One thing is that its a different ball game and most litrate people are out of touch with there political landscape and demographies.One thing for sure is that the dreaded rural vote rules and this group votes based on the name of the individual and his chances of winning. politicians also make the mistake of using issues that are popular in the cities to campaign in the country side i.e I witnessed a politician talking about Chinese investment and mines in Chadiza and Mapatizya while the rural folks kept shouting “fertilizer!!”. to be contld
You people here are too overzealous ,just becuase the US system seems to work for Americans doesnt mean it will work in Zambia.US is more than 100years ahead of Zambia,even if Obama was zambian he wouldnt have become President in Zed because the father wasnt born in Zambia.Imagine JUST imagine MMD cant even have an elected Vice Party President and how about having an Elected national vice President?Forget about MMD,lets look at PF ,do they have an elected vice Party President?ok forget abt Pf ,lets look At hakainde s party,do they have an elected Vice Party President?
Martworld Nice guy taumfwa,waya landamo fye ati oke.To dribble LT,only bloggers who like nambala nanikane can understand what you meant.
““As Zambians, we need to continue with the trend where the President appoints his Vice-President who would obey him and not having a running mate who can bring about competition,” he said.”
Minister Daniel Munkombwe, old aged, this statement belongs to the days of political struggle for independence. Why must an independent mind, thinking mind, obey a President as if that President is God, our Creator? The fear about competition is an illusion in minds that are not properly learned. A person chosen to be a running mate is one who is trustworthy and hold the principles of the political party sponsoring both him and the Presidential candidate and not only pays allegiance to his boss.
I support the running mate issue except we really need to address the issues raised by #51. As for Namulambe & Munkombwe – I don’t expect any meaningful contributions from them because they can’t bite the fingers that feed them.
Well,today i’ve undertood tht Nalumambe is not supporse to be a minister in zed.who appointed such a shallow minded chap?Ben mwila also has low iq.He can’t offer anything in da country.we support the calls of having a running mate.This is going to help zambia to develop.Vice president will work without fear of being fired by the president.Not only that ,it will bring debate between the two.
I’m surprised why zambian readers don’t like to be challenged?Nowonder we have presidents like mugabe in africa.
We need this bill to pass.If not they’ll be demontrations.lasttime, same chaps didn’t want to have elections after the death of LPM saying we don’t have $.Again they don’t want to pass da bill
Baby C,i like that perfume you are wearing today ka.
“United Party for National Development vice-president, Richard Kapita, also supported the motion of a running mate, saying that there was need for the country to do away with the old system of the President appointing his Vice-President.”
Once again REAL CHANGE men and women from the mighty U-Team, not a one-man show political party, (the UPND) have indicated that Zambia doesn’t need to be “static” in the words of Mr G. Namulambe who is thinking about witchcraft instead of selflessness. Instead of being “static” we need to be “dynamic” and change our politics with time. We are no longer in 1964 or 1991, but 2009. For this reason, we must change just like our National Budget has to.
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In the cities the demographics have also changed the spoken language superceeds the interlect when voting. The Dominant local languages in the Cities determined who wins the Presidency in that constituency and MPs belonging to that party won regardless of there names. The ECZ published a Map showing who won in each area and from the Map there was a correllation of 1 between the winner and the spoken language. From this scenario it will be political suicide for any president to pick a running mate without tribal considerations and this will disadvantage the minority tribes.Gentlemen you cant have an american solution to an african problem.
Chewe , you ran away yesterday!
#58. russia -moscow, how old are you to write “Well,today i’ve undertood tht Nalumambe is not supporse to be a minister in zed.who appointed such a shallow minded chap?” Surely can you call your Minister a CHAP? Mulekwatako umuchinshi young men.
Look at “I’m surprised why zambian readers don’t like to be challenged?” Do you mean ‘leaders’ and not “readers”?
Even if you as a youth do not agree with statements made by the older than you Minister, please use appropriate tone of language to show respect. The Minister Gabriel Namulambe is older than you, russia-moscow. Wandisampuzya mebo naa uliwa-nsabata nchobeni!
MR CHOMA 1 its not about Mabenga being lozior not, the fact are there for everyone to see the man misappropriated CDF funds why
should we entrust with such an important assignment in the same vain i will equally call FTJ whose bemba speaking “A MONKEY IN A MAIZE FIELD” because of his stealing habits. My man lets not rush and bring up tribal sentiments when one is criticised i think we are beyound that.
MR CHOMA 1 its not about Mabenga being lozi or not, the facts are there for everyone to see the man misappropriated CDF funds why should we entrust him with such an important assignment, in the same vain i will equally call FTJ whose bemba speaking “A MONKEY IN A MAIZE FIELD” because of his stealing habits. My man lets not rush and bring up tribal sentiments when one is criticised i think we are beyound that.
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#51 as a running mate the vice president is an elected official whose powers and duties can easily be defined. It is possible as is the case in the US to let the president do both duties. he can easily appoint one of the ministers ( not as VP) to help him lighten the workload (should he need help) until the next election to vote for both pres and VP. you do not have to have another by election for the VP when the incumbent takes up the presidency.
55. Choma1
Choma1 you are the ice breaker!of all the bloggs i have read today yours has carried the day. The cancer in Zambia is that the litrates are in the forefront propagating unreseached populist views such that an analysis you would get from chisokone is the same as the one you get around farmers house.untill we get past this stage our democracy can not mature to the next level.This is where the difference is with America. The political analysis you get from harlem will certainly be different from what you get around mainstreet.This intelect exhibited on main street translate into the vote cast in zambia its a different ball game we need our own rules to suit our demographics
#61 Engines, please look at your National Registration Card and see if it indicates what tribe you are. Check you passport too please.
This is not time to look at tribe or language to you belong to, but progress of Zambia as a Nation of 71 plus tribal people. Our National indentity “Zambian” supersedes any other terminology that pertains to individuals.
What needs to be done now is that look at the educational background of a Presidential Candidate, his/her achievements in professional and personal life, how he/she has been successful in things that matter like public service or business. His/her past record in dealing with Zambian people. In short, it is CHARACTER that matters not tribes.
A running mate is really a good idea. This namulambe is just an old folk. How do you bring in whitchcraft in such critical issues. Are we going to allow a bad constitutional draft because of whitchcraft??? So shallow is her mind that i cant even imagine how she found herself amongest the qualified. Think first before you utter any nosence.
#70 Engines, whatever you impressions on this issue at hand I have liked your “The cancer in Zambia is that the litrates are in the forefront propagating unreseached populist views such that an analysis you would get from chisokone is the same as the one you get around farmers house.”
For this reason, does any one on here LT know what exactly is the POSITION of PF/Undereducate MC Sata on this issue? Please, share such information if you can, for all I know of PF is that they wan the whle NCC to be disbanded citing it as a wastage of money.
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From the look of things they seem not to agree with progressive submissions from the people and all we hear are just their suggestions which are going through.This constitution making process is just a drain on our resources asit will not stand a test of time.
Rumor has it that Namulambe beat his rival (Bulaya) in being adopted to the Mpongwe constituency parliamentary candidacy through witchcraft means.
Ben Mwila is lying by saying 2nd Republic Veeps wanted to be more powerful than the President. Come out in the open you are refering to Mr Kapwepwe when he challenged Mr R. Kamanga KK was not happy saying we 2 Notherners can not hold the 2 top most jobs. Fact is all our presidents dont want an elected Veep because they want a cholaboy whom they can manuplate. Mwanawasa even went against the consititution by appointing Nevers who had just lost an election. The way foward is to have men who will not say yes all the time and this means an elected Veep. By the way BY forgot to say the Veep in Unip time was elected at the convention not in General and presidential elections. It was a Unip affai
I can understand why Namulambe thinks the way he does…he has 3 wives at a tender age of 40
“Dr Sondashi said he also supported the proposal to have 15 Cabinet ministers as it would reduce Government expenditure.”
Dr Sondashi, I like this idea that has probably sprung up from the U-Team’s president Hakainde Hichilema, HH, in his 2008 presidential campaign promises.
We seriously need only a minimum number of Cabinet Ministers who can do the job required. I think, I read or heard somewhere that Japan is being run by only 10 Ministers. Why can’t we emulate the second largest economy on Planet Earth so as to improve service delivery and save financial resources?
For sure, learned men are making sound proposals as opposed to undereducates.
Rupiah’s government is the worst in my estimation
When you look at the likes of Teta, Mulongoti, Namulambe, etc. you realize what we are faced with
#72. Idi Your Tea, I hope you are not russia-moscow who has written similar stuff but with a sad tone of language on #58. russia -moscow. Better stuff this time around from Russia.
By the way, I was in Russia from about 9 – 10 hours this morning. It was great! Those guys have tele-medicine facilities on 4 trains that move across rural areas of Russia visiting the same place about two times a year with a link to a hospital centre in Moscow.
I was thus encouraged that they can do a great job on our Zambian would-be Medical Doctor Cardson Kabwe if allowed. I hope this will happen with the Zambian wellwishers sending their little monies for Mr C. Kabwe’s heart problem operation.
Take care.
The issue of running mate scares the hell out of these chaps,why Ben Mwila trippin’?we dont want a situation where the Veep is fired becoz he doesnt agree with the president like Kavindele with LPM
73. Maestro Hhehhehhehhe
My NRC doesnt show it only indicates my chief while my surname can tell anyone my tribe. Comming to educational background of a candidate and his proffessional acheivements, thats exactly what we should be looking for in terms of a president. i once thot the solution to this is education unfortunately the reality on the ground will tell you that not even education has cracked this mystry.even the literates of the this country dont seem to vote based on proffessional background.you have the right to disagree with this but i can assure the voting patern is my proof.in times of elections the defference between literates and ilitrates evaporates. SAD REALITY
#71 mestro hhe
I respect elders but Nalumambe doesn’t deserve it.if he can’t solve anything he’s just like a low iq chap.what’s he doing in NCC?How could he talk about witchcraft instead of offering solutions?oooo maybe tht sounds good to you maestro!!
well,maybe is your brother,but tell him not to think like grade 1.
Really ,nalumambe must be fired.It’s disgrace to have such a minister in da country.Those are chaps who can’t think about future.
we young zambians won’t allow such nonsense.we’re now ready to fight 4 our country.zed is not poor.I feel bad when i see zed is not famours just because of chaps like Nalumambe.
#76. Deja Vu, I like your points.
I just realised now that the MMD political party undemocratic ways of choosing their leaders are now being thrown to the whole Nation.
How long has the MMD failed to elect its president and vice-president since for the past 8 years we have just seen appointments only? This is also the cause in PF/Sata political party!
The only democratically elected leaders we know of at a political party level are from the UPND. No wonder most sensible and educated statements are only coming from the U-Team’s NNC commissioners. This is where Zambia forward lies for our great Nation in the 2011 tripartite elections, NO DOUBT.
# 84 russia -moscow .Have respect for the Freedom of expression and our leaders ,its his opinion and he is entitiled to it.If you feel offended in any way ,seek audience with him and I believe he can clarify and elaborate more.
#82 S.A.W, I lke your “we dont want a situation where the Veep is fired becoz he doesnt agree with the president like Kavindele with LPM” and this makes me think as to whether our late former President LP Mwanawasa was a REAL democrate compared to former President Chiluba.
While Mr FTJ Chiluba is accused to have done a lot ot terrible things, until proven guilty, I for one think he was a TRUE democrate than late LPM. This is why he did not entertain characters like Sata who orchestrated the chasing away of 22 MMD top members from MMD in 2001 or so just for aiming to destroy competition to be MADE successor even if they had no proper credentials to take the mantle of National Leader.
akapondo iyi yena yakachimfya. No comment
Guys, just do a bit of research while you are on the internet. The US vice president practically has no role to play as long as the president is alive and not incapacitated. The issue here should not be whether the veep is a cholaboy or not. Even in the USA constitution, the vice cannot challenge the president as he has no power to do so. So the issue here should be how much power to allocate to the veep. The idea of having a running mate to have a vice who is already elected and so avoid the power vacuum that Zambia suffered after Levy died. Research guys!
73. Maestro Hhehhehhehhe
Too Bad voting in Zambia is regional, but yuo see in Engineering we say”if theory does not suit fact then there is need to change theory because changing facts requires new discoveries”with this background i have observed that while we would like to base our democratic theories on american politics there is need to make sure they properly fit our demographics and if they dont we have to acknowledge our weaknesses and change theory.In this regard the running mate issue is not suitable because VIP will be chosen based on the popularity of his tribe and not merit because that will be a political suicide.Sad fact indeed even educated people vote in those lines
#83. Engines, I agree with all your points there in, but why then MUST we as a Nation called ZAMBIANS – a congregation of 71 tribes – remain static with politics of 1964 or 1996, of blocking real democracy, when we can be dynamic by changing things with time to allow for a process that will eventually lead voters who fail to think properly to THINK SENSIBLY before they will CAST A VOTE in future.
In line with this, do you think government must restrict the importation of PCs just because there are few Zambians who currently know how to use them properly?
Baby C lets ignore these educated villagers and chat. Bonse Chimochine Engines,Choma 1 naba tragedy proffessor.Yesterday i didnt runaway.
To deny the regionalism problem in zambia is to burry our heads in the sand. we must find a solution to this problem and it seems education has failed, maybe local and outside exposure might help although it appears outside exposure has also failed. Maybe one day it will solve itself as we say on machines
#84. russia -moscow, I really like your thinking this time around, but please control your tone of language. There is no reason for you to write “chap” when referring to Minister Gabriel Namulambe for the man is older than you PERIOD
However, it appears that of late you have been with me on the issue of education. This I have drawn from many of your contributions on LT in the past 2 weeks or so as evidenced in your “well,maybe is your brother,but tell him not to think like grade 1.
Really ,nalumambe must be fired.It’s disgrace to have such a minister in da country.” In light of this, why would you think a Grade 6 or Standard 4 like Michael C. Sata MUST be let to rule Zambia as President?
#90. and 93. Engines, regionalism voting is very much alive in Zambia at the moment and I am one of the people on LT who has attest to this fact from time to time.
It is bad in my opinion and thus why MUST we allow it to continue by not adopting 50+1 % for a presidential win and choosing a running mate for a presidential candidate.
For once, let us stop this childish mentality of thinking continuing by being “static” with the regional politics that the MMD brought in to Zambia and enjoy will ever help us!
We have a lot of things to implement before things can start moving in a right direction.
I have to go now, but I will be back later in the evening. Before I go, I will post something.
#51 watch season 24, i dont whether is 24 seasons waumfwa.Maybe things would easier for you.
“There’s new energy to harness, new jobs to be created, new schools to build, and threats to meet, alliances to repair.
The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep. We may not get there in one year or even in one term. But, America, I have never been more hopeful than I am tonight that we will get there.
I promise you, we as a people will get there.
(AUDIENCE: Yes we can! Yes we can! Yes we can!)
There will be setbacks and false starts. There are many who won’t agree with every decision or policy I make as president. And we know the government can’t solve every problem.”
Source: ww w.zambianwatchdog. com/ ? p =446
97. continued.
“But I will always be honest with you about the challenges we face. I will listen to you, especially when we disagree. And, above all, I will ask you to join in the work of remaking this nation, the only way it’s been done in America for 221 years – block by block, brick by brick, calloused hand by calloused hand.”
That was US President Barrack Obama. Certainly, there is a lot of lessons for us Zambians to learn from this powerful message.
It has been BLOCK by BLOCK from 1964 until now 2009, and BLOCK by BLOCK into the future is what will carry us into economic independence which takes political will.
Later fellow Country MEN and WOMEN,
Mugungulu Hamwaanbwa Mwaanga.
Lunatics like Maestro will never change. I have warned before that if you will be attacking individuals here. Then i you will see what that means,but it seems you dont want to understand.Dont attack individuals here we kanangwa.Ndiwe ka muntu kabwanji.Anakulowa anafa ka?Niku mvele futi ati pwepwe,uzaona.
#89 Zedian. You did fail to tell us the main job description of the USA Veep; His job is to President and may be thats what scares our blacks here so called presidents
#40 …Mabenga’s thought, not his tribe, leaves much to be desired for man of his experience,full stop.
If a running mate is picked by the presidential aspirant, confirmed by the voters, doesn’t this solidify the President’s choice? It is good the Committee has stumbled over it. Time and further research will help.
The Dominican Order, who are the champions of democracy includes a statute into Constitution only after it has been experimented on three time at different levels. Zambeziland is not static.
Hehehehe whatever that means.whenever he comes,cant just blogg without attacking someone is your hypotharamus oke?i doubt it,it seems there are so many disfuctioning parts up there.
91. Maestro Hhehhehhehhe
As a people we must work towards the exact details of the solution to this regionalism problems.For now i personally feel that working within the system does yield results than shouting from the terraces.During the 2006 elections i helped a collegue with a compagn strategy and certain things we encountered on the ground where unthinkable.The sight of Interlectuals of the same tribe forming dark corner meetings around pubs was common.I remember one candidate at the advise of the manager droped his Surname to take his mother’s because thats what undecided voters follow and the guy won.This problem is known in political circles and KK made good eforts to solve it
Honestly, talking of witchcraft in the 21st centurally. As usual, Daniel always on the wrong side of the coin at the right time. The current system has failed completely and has promoted boot licking. whether there is a new constitution or not, come 2011 MMD will be given the boot and to hell Daniel Mukombwe and old politics. Viva elected vice presido!!!!!!!!!
Sorry meant to be President.
total nosense
#102.contribute to the topic and stop decing people here, what your problem?
Cost of petrol most expensive in africa lets petition the Government to reduce it.
141 cont…
If the Roles and Duties of the VP are clearly spelt out in the Constitutions then there should no room for unhealthy-kind of competition feared by veteran Munkombwe.
Mabenga and your Committee will save Zambeziland from unnecessary headaches and waste of finances in case of impeachment or death. Not that I like to see this happen to any of our future presidents, just a painful reality.
The only way there will be proper democracy in Zambia is when we start having primaries like in the States with politicians funding their own campaigns that way we eventually get two candidates to run for presidential elections and get rid of the time wasters, the parties that take small votes. When that has happened then let the two candidates pick their running mates. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THEY ARE RUNNING MATES NOT OPPONENTS. When this has happened then we vote for the two candidates across the country. I know some people wil say what if want to vote for the others who are not in finals? Well, too bad you stay home and don’t vote. This is what the constitution should be changed to.
Nalubambe is not a good man.He himself smeared some medicine on his face for BANDA to appoint him to that post.
94. Maestro Hhehhehhehhe, sometimes its not really a standard 4 but the right IQ. Can imagine FTJ had one of the best breed as far as education was concern in his Administration. Dr Katele, Dr Kalombo Mwansa, Jacob Mwanza, Dr Kawimbe, Prof Kandu Luo, The Lawyer wama Lawyer, Vincent Malambo, Eric Silwamba and many I can mention. What did he do with our Constitution?
In frustration one wouldn’t be wrong to even settle for the uneducated Sata, not that I am a fun of Sata. But the best cream has failed us in Zambia. :((:((
NALUBAMBE, why talk about WITCHCRAFT :o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o
Good afternoon everybody
This is really surprising. If the people proposed it, then lets have it period. we need it. Check the USA
I wounder where the problem would be if the so called running mate is picked by the presidential candident himself. why should we hung on to old politics we need to grow and not fear change just because other people nindoshi awee mwandi
only MMD characters are against this idea, let it stand. VPs ought to be safe than sorry that they are marenappointees and can be fired any time any day. Look at late LPM, he had 4 VP in a short space of time. We can’t allow that.
90. Engines, you rightly wrote ‘”if theory does not suit fact then there is need to change theory because changing facts requires new discoveries”with this background i have observed that while we would like to base our democratic theories on american politics there is need to make sure they properly fit our demographics and if they dont we have to acknowledge our weaknesses and change theory.’ but I can not understand why the change you are proposing is again what you fear to come our way.
In short, the current ‘old’ system has brought in regional politics and the way to end this type of politics is to bring in measure that will cancel out unnecessary things like having a bootlicking VP.
117 continued.
We simply need a veep who has confidence to speak his mind out to the President. Did you see the picture with Defense Minister George Mpombo kneeling for late President LP Mwanawasa? This is what Minister Munkombwe or is it Namulambe is talking about when he uses the words “obey him (President)”! Zambia does not need a Vice President who obeys the President,but one who understands his/her job based on the political party’s policies that sponsoers both him and the President.
When the President realises that he is not a King in a monarch, but a MEMBER of a TEAM from his/her political party, then Zambia as a Nation will begin to make positive strides towards real development.
The other problem is that we have a lot of standard 1 qualified in power.Educated people can only comment and not change anything in Zed. Nabakaponia bengi mupalament
112. The Blackman’s Child greetings. You wrote me “94. Maestro Hhehhehhehhe, sometimes its not really a standard 4 but the right IQ. Can imagine FTJ had one of the best breed as far as education was concern in his Administration. Dr Katele, Dr Kalombo Mwansa, Jacob Mwanza, Dr Kawimbe, Prof Kandu Luo, The Lawyer wama Lawyer, Vincent Malambo, Eric Silwamba and many I can mention. What did he do with our Constitution?”
Those educated people you mentioned with undereducates like MC Sata created a 1996 Zambian Rep. Constitution which has brought in tribalism and regionalism in voting. Why did the educated do it? They were bootlicking, “obey(ing) him (Chiluba)” to protect their jobs.
120. Maestro Hhehhehhehhe continued.
AGAIN. The educated “Dr Katele, Dr Kalombo Mwansa, Jacob Mwanza, Dr Kawimbe, Prof Kandu Luo, The Lawyer wama Lawyer, Vincent Malambo, Eric Silwamba and many I can mention” were bootlicking, “obey(ing) him (Chiluba)”, in the words of Minister Daniel Munkombwe, to protect their jobs. This behaviour of “obey(ing) him’ is what we Zambians MUST change so that we have a confident Vice President all the time and the sponsoring political party can have enough muscle to re-call a President forcing him to RESIGN if he goes against the party like we observed from the South Africans on Mbeki’s resignation from his being President as SA and ANC are organised.
121. Maestro Hhehhehhehhe continued.
Mind you, 112. The Blackman’s Child, South Africa’s REAL DEMOCRACY is far younger than ours as it only started in 1994. SA has 11 Offical Languages and many more tribes too.
The question to ask ourselves Zambians is: why is South Africa managing well just after starting their democracy in 1994 while Zambia which has multipartism even before 1991 is failing to make progress?
The real wrong thing is that we Zambian want to be backward with old men like Munkombwe and President RB Banda, 72 yrs, by being “static” in the words of Minister G. Namulambe. Why do you fear change? SA did it and why can’t we Zambians do it too?
The problem with you lunatic Maestro,is that if you are not fighting with bloggers here then you will be attacking the man you call the under educated. It is because of this retrogressive mentality of yours that i have decided to protect people here.You are a very shallow minded chap. You are full of nothing but madness.
122 continued.
On “94. Maestro Hhehhehhehhe, sometimes its not really a standard 4 but the right IQ… In frustration one wouldn’t be wrong to even settle for the uneducated Sata, not that I am a fun of Sata. But the best cream has failed us in Zambia.”
Did you mean “fan” and not “fun”? Why “wouldn’t” “one” “be wrong to even settle for the uneducated Sata…” when:
1. His fellow then undereducate Mr FTJ Chiluba (Hon. Doc., Malawi) instilled fear in the educated and ultimately created a mess using the 1996 Constitution?
2. Undereducate Sata said a President who wins the 2008 elections won’t be subject to elections in 2011 when Parliament is dissolved?
What IQ are you writing about?
103. Engines.
You wrote “As a people we must work towards the exact details of the solution to this regionalism problems.For now i personally feel that working within the system does yield results than shouting from the terraces.” What system are you writing about, please elaborate properly?
125. Maestro Hhehhehhehhe continued.
On “During the 2006 elections i helped a colle(a)gue with a compa(i)gn strategy and certain things we encountered on the ground where unthinkable.The sight of Interlectuals of the same tribe forming dark corner meetings around pubs was common.I remember one candidate at the advise of the manager droped his Surname to take his mother’s because thats what undecided voters follow and the guy won.”
So, what is the problem with Inte(r/l)lectual people of the same tribe having dark corner meetings? Were they not Zambians? Have you read the Constitution on Freedom of Association?
Dropping of his father’s name sounds CRIMINAL and investigations …
126. Maestro Hhehhehhehhe continued.
Dropping of his father’s name sounds CRIMINAL and investigations …
MUST immediately start to catch that mentioned culprit! Such behaviour MUST not be entertained in our Country Zambia. So, how did he/she do the surname changing? Were you an accomplice? Was that gaining mirage by false prentence? I hope that friend of yours isn’t an MP for the law will surely visit him soon is he is not careful!
On “This problem is known in political circles and KK made good eforts to solve it”, how did KK do it? Provide workable solutions in this 21st Century, please!
May be scrap the VP position if it is so contentious and unproductive. Why not come up with a position that best suits Zambia.
KK had prime ministers, Is this different from VP. And How. Please bear with my ignorance, give me some answer.
#14.Ba Maureen,
What do expect when the president himself stated at one time that he’s protected from witchcraft! There are fearing the unknown.
we need a vice president who is a running mate so as to strengthen the position as opposed to the current situation were the vp is almost at the same level as ministers.
a vee pee should be a running mate.it will prevent people like RB from becoming presisents! :-l:-l:-l
Go running mate go.
Good morning bloggers?
Hmmm maestro you are still doing the long threads brothers?