Zambians in the country and Diaspora has been called upon to mark the 17th Anniversary of the declaration of Zambia as a Christian nation differently by putting aside political, religious and any other divide and mark the day with a sense of oneness.
Reverend Churchill Lombanya, an advocate of the declaration of Zambia as a Christian nation, says the momentous event to which the First Republican President Dr. Kenneth Kaunda, Second Republican President Frederick Chiluba, the Mwanawasa family, President Rupiah Banda and the church leadership have been invited is meant to be a platform for national unity.
Reverend Lombanya said the anniversary which falls on December 29, and is slated for the Cathedral of the Holy Cross in Lusaka at 14: 00 hours to 18: 00 hours, should bring together all Zambians to worship and thank God that Zambia has remained an oasis of peace on the continent.
He said those that will attend what he described as a very special event to dress in Zambian traditional colours such as those depicted on the national flag.
Reverend Lombanya explained that this is meant to display patriotism and cultivate the pride of being a Zambian.
He explained that the church service will be preceded by a match past at 12:00 hours from Freedom Statue to the Cathedral of the Holy Cross led by Army Brass Band.
Meanwhile, Reverend Lombanya has wished the First Republican President Dr. Kenneth Kaunda, Second Republican President Frederick Chiluba, the Mwanawasa family, President Rupiah Banda, the church leadership and all Zambians compliments of the season.
ENDS/TK/AM/ZANIS
Zimandola one
The meaning of Christian Nation is that starting from the President to ministers etc, they should be christians and should be blessed by the bishops. In fact, all decisions made should have the blessings of the churches.
Holy Water should be poured on their heads.
In fact, even if Zambia is a Christian nation constitutionally, we are far from it. It is not so simple to be a christian nation just because peace prevails. First of all, let us look at the composition of cabinet and tell me if there is any leader who represents Zambia as a christian nation. Look at most of the decisions made by the govt. The poor are neglected, rampant corruption, misuse of national resources, etc. It pains me.
2 God b the glory. Amen!
hhmmmm…… @-)
Where are Lady Chiza’s Legs please
Forget the celebrations, just practise what you preach. Obedience is better than sacrifice.
To date, i have not understood what the declaration of Zambia as a christian nation means. Those of you that have some hint of Chiluba’s thinking can shade more light.
Declaring Zambia a Christian nation while Chiluba was committing adultery. What a blasphemy. Its what you do that demonstrates how deep your christian faith is and not what you tell people. All criminal acts by a thief who thinks everything must be done using tricks. Shame on Chiluba.
#6 (Planet Mars), what a question! You made me laugh, sure the legs are with her right now! Some of these blog names would leave you bursting with laughter. #4, do you like sausages? Just wondering!
#9. The Real Deal.
You are 100% right. This was like a situation where a pastor tells you to close your eyes when praying but his eyes are wide open and he can even drop a letter in your wife’s pocket while your poor eyes are SHUT
just do your thing and forget about noise made on the internet
17 years has elapsed already? Seems like yesterday. Years can move fast uuhhh, no wonder some people like VJ are not retiring.
Planet Mars has been asking about those legs since yesterday. Keep cracking our ribs man!!!
ZAMBIA TO CELEBRATE THE DECLARATION AS A CHRISTIAN NATION.
For Christs sake, what is their to celebrate? Just look at the invitation list, a chorus line of adulterous, former dictators, plunderers and a sprinkling of fornicators and a president who’s not ashamed to show his nudity to a wife half his sons age.
These people never stop to amuse me. Do they understand the meaning of a Chrsitian nation? Lets forfeit the celebrations and instead celebrate 40 years of misrule and corruption!
Ka Chilubas legacy lives on. Hate him as much as you want, that ka chap knew what he was doing and he is still enjoying the fruits f his labour from the stands…
Zed is full of CIDA
Na ye su kuti abu tuka
Zed has a record of ama ule in Europe
Politicians are living luxurious life styles while the masses are surviving by the grace of god “Christian Nation my ass”
What! FTJ’s declaration. No ways. The ka guy was just blindfolding us as someone observed.
I am glad not many people on this blog agree with declaration. As far as I am concerned, Zambia is a circular state which includes everyone including those who worship traditional deities. Was there a lawfully organised referendum? It will be a sad day that we surrender our country to these so called men of the church. Even some Catholic priests have denounced this declaration. These people with their tuntemba churches are nothing but swindlers! It is in their financial interest to force their kind of Christianity on us.
17th Anniversary of what?
:):):)
Christian nation!ubepele fye!
Animal farm behaviour! Some going on undeserved holidays with the entire clan !Others are busy stealing no kupaupa! The rest wallowing in abject poverty!
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Yaba! :d
LETS JUS CELEBRATE KAILI NABALANDA [-o<*-:)
bu christian nation just sends the masses to sleep while the so-called leaders are amassing wealth. osadyela bantu masuku pamuntu. fyakutumpa.
How come the business of selling body parts, “is booming” in the so called Christian nation? Sort out the peoples problems first before giving a title to a nation full of poor people, who’s seems to believe that help will come from above, when the facts are totally a diffrent story all together!!!
What a shame! When i send people help back home they say thank God when I’m the one there are suppose to appreciate, say i cut off the supply, Lets see if Maanaa will rain from heaven. For those with money its avaliable on Sat. TV with money back “garantie”…
“Reverend Lombanya has wished the First Republican President Dr. Kenneth Kaunda, Second Republican President Frederick Chiluba, the Mwanawasa family, President Rupiah Banda, the church leadership and all Zambians compliments of the season.”
It seems that that there is repeatation in this above quote as Dr. Kenneth Kaunda, Frederick Chiluba, the Mwanawasa family, President Rupiah Banda, the church leadership are all Zambians like me and probably you.
Nevertheless, the intention is good for us as we endeavour to maintain peace in our lovely country.
Have some nice blogging.
**==’s G0D must be another Mugabe, how come people are so poor and still suffering despite their dedication in Faith! Makes one wonder what kind of a G*d would not want to help his children, especially **==ians. When you think of how **==ians love praying LOUDLY! SINGING! & DANCING praising their invicible saviour.., Mine puts plenty of delicious food on the table, pays hospital bills when i get ill, gave me a gigantic roof over my head, happy family and beautiful leather seats in my new BMW… what has yours done for you. Poverty, Aids, waste of life really!!!! =))
BLESSED IS A NATION WHOSE GOD IS THE LORD!
BLESSED IS ZAMBIA OUR MOTHER LAND!
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32. your flag Ex South Central, please be serious. Was Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour riding around in expensive things. The Holy Scriptures record in Matthew 8:20 “And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.”
So, please let us not mock our fellow Citizens or God, our Creator, because would-be consequences of such may be fatal.
Please reflect on your actions and do the right thing.
the problem is that the person who declaired this nation as a christian nation is a big hule who grabed someone,s wife and went scott free .why cant we be like muzlim nations there my freind when found with someone,s wife your are stoned to death instantly ,wake up zambians please dont follow whatever you hear blindly.
Jesus was just a common name amongst jews as Mulenga is for bemba’s or Zulu for ngoni’s.
#22, thank you, I totally agree. I was never impressed with the so-called declaration! I am a christian, but I do not agree with religion interfering in the way we run the state. And what if we happen to have a presidential aspirant who is non-christian? do we discriminate against them? And anyway, I would like to see some examples of the so-called christian morals with wich the MMD govts of the last 17 years have run the country! So far as I can see there’s still poverty, my grandmother’s village still has no electricity, some parts of siavonga don’t even have TV reception and there are more unemployed/illiterate than in 1990!Kafupi,..I hope the Lord gives you EXACTLY what you deserve!x(
As the saying goes ‘ If you say it out with your mouth then you are probably not it’ . Only self righteous zealots need to announce what they are, any true follower of the messiah doesn’t need to announce their deeds and actions will speak for themselves. I am not christian but christianity is just a bureacratic useless religion that has nothing to do with the messiah. The messiah was a jew and kept the old testament and told us to follow his example and yet it is might funny the same vociferous christians are the ones that go against his teachings and his example.
#36 jesus is not a jewish name and was never his name, the hebrew alphabet doesn’t even have the letter J. His name was Yeshua , that was his real name before the good ol catholics decided to supposedly translate his name. He never answered to the name jesus in his time because the angel gabriel told his mother to name him Yeshua which fulfilled prophesy of his name being emmanuel because yeshua means Yahweh is salvation.
#38/39…so true. The extent to which some so-called christians twist the messages of Christ for their own reward is unbelievable! Christ himself gave us the parable of the rich man and the old woman giving money in the temple…in other words, it is deeds not words. The louder you sing about how religious you are, the more I apply the “inverse proportion rule” hehe! The louder you shout, the less faithful you are. After all, your faith is between only you and your God. Act in the manner of one who is faithful, whether muslim, christian, hindu, etc, and all will see the Lord in your actions. No need to declare it at all!!!!
LT napapata as of next year please give us meaningful news and information that will stimulate proper debate why do you always give us meaningless stories Zambians clergy are good at uttering meaningless gibberish just like the politicians.
i agree with most bloggers that the declaration has no meaning and it is flawed whether or not zambia is declared a christian nation will not save the lost sheep each person is accountable to God as an individual.
Chiluba was hiding in christianity while stealing money from Zambians and wives from Mwanza and Mangolwa. You must be very careful of people using christian to advance their political and even musical ambitions…what happened to Jojo mwangaza?
39. your flag dobo banton(9TH).LLB, while your comments are true to some extent. I welcome you back on LT. It appears that you may know about Prof. Mutengo (LLB, Havard) and Mwine filimo. If you dont, no worries.
Enjoy your moments and keep well. 😉
No I am not mutengo I have always been on lusakatimes I just change names frequently
#42 thats the whole point of religion, God gave men the truth via prophets and his son and the devil rearranged that truth and called it organised religion. Christianity is just a cloak for the evil to use the masses to their advantage because people have been indoctrinated to think church elders are as unquestionable as the creator himself. These church elders are given too much power and for one Power corrupts any human soul. If you were to analyse these religious zealots you would see that they are no different from the pharasee’s .
#45 so God had a son? Why not a daughter? And why is ‘the creator’ a he? We have male and female, man and woman on the planet, so why the bias towards males by those who supposedly ‘spoke to God’? Chitapankwa #22’s wishes need to be realised for a truly just and fair society to emerge in Z. Oppressive societies are those aligned to religion. We would do well to leave religion out of our politics!!
45. dobo banton(9TH).LLB, you comments may be correct by not in the SDA Church for we elect new leaders every year to hold offices of Elder and Deacon. Even pastors, trained pastors with degrees in Theology, are transfered from place to place and moved to the Top position and downs with time.
Two cases are Pastor Hachalinga who was President of SDA Zambia Union Conference who was replaced by late Dr Matandiko if Im not mistaken and also Pastor George Mwansa who was are the Southern Indian Ocean Division (SID) in Zimbabwe offices as some director I think, but is now at Zambia Adventist Universty in Monze lecturing.
In some churches leaders are untouchables, but in God’s SDA members elect.
And who told you to elect those leaders Maestro? Do you have biblical authority for that because If my biblical knowledge is correct we are only allowed one teacher and one preacher i.e the son of man and the rest of us are all brothers. Where is the SDA even acknowledged in scripture ? does scripture tell anyone to obey the SDA church? Scripture is pretty simple it tells us to obey YHWH through his son only. All the leaders of the SDA did was take knowledge from the bible and empower themselves .You don’t need the SDA to empower yourself you need the son of man so the SDA church is useless
“Zambians in the country and Diaspora has been called upon to mark the 17th Anniversary of the declaration of Zambia as a Christian nation differently by putting aside political, religious and any other divide and mark the day with a sense of oneness.”
I think the above paragraph speaks for itself and therefore, the day should be celebrated in terms of being at one – One Zambia, One Nation.
Forget the Chiluba nonsense!
And not forgetting John Miller and Gould’s false prophecy’s . The faith of the scriptures and the son of man was hebrew orientated they kept the appointed feasts.kept nidda laws, shmitta laws. that doesn’t even sound like SDA’s
Son of man eh? Why dont we need the daughter of woman? By the way who wrote the bible that you keep referring to? Biblical or not, there was no bible until a group of christian scholars (faithfuls) decided to put together certain teachings of theirs. Read Bertrand Russel history of the jews, read
#47 continued.
So, no need to be inclusive of all church leaders in your writings. Thus, it is always good practice to given open contributions and probably examples in your analysis people.
Its ‘man’ meaning the human race – political correctness in this regard is a nonsense.
So no scriptural basis for your church and leaders hence I conclude it is useless. I follow YHWH and his son and them only . I don’t follow church leaders and man made organisations because I will not be judged on church tradition
#48. and 5O dobo banton(9TH).LLB, no need to writing unprintables, as Mwine Filimu (filimo) used to. He had your exact way of doing things, what a coincidence! Nice you didnt write you dont know him on your “No I am not mutengo I have always been on lusakatimes I just change names frequently”.
On your “Do you have biblical authority for that because If my biblical knowledge is correct we are only allowed one teacher and one preacher i.e the son of man and the rest of us are all brothers,” please give me the quote from the Holy Scriptures on that one. I will be glad to see it and also respond to you. In the meantime, I have to eat something nice so I am off to get some food. I will be back.
#53 Thats not a demand for political correctness. At the Superficial level maybe. Its a demand for you to examine what you believe in. Realise that most people are just passing their cultures to you via religion. Thats the way they saw life. They couldn’t transcend the fact that man was dominant in their society so that is incorporated in their ‘religious’ teachings. There are plenty other biases they pass on to you in this way and you unquestioningly or blindly accept.
No. 54
There are only two parties who have any basis for judging your faith – you and your creator. The rest of us will never know!
Matthew 23:7–
greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ 8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ,[b] and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.
There you have it maestro . Now since you are pretending to go eat which is just running away. Why don’t you show me where the bible tells you elect deacons and elders:-? . whats the point of electing church leaders when that won’t do you any good on judgement day. Hence why i include your church leaders as part of the false brigade
“There are plenty other biases they pass on to you in this way and you unquestioningly or blindly accept.”
So now you have the cunning ability to pass judgement on others when you know nothing about them?
Just believe what you believe and let others do the same.
I can agree with some of the sentiments raised here, but I would urge all to realise that church leadors, whatever faith are human. Scripture is the best place to go for instruction, and even then we must realise that they were written though man, so do not take things too literally. The scariest kind of zealots are the religious ones, because there is no way to refute or debate with those hardened of faith. May God protect Zambia from those people who feel their faith is superior. I’ts just another way of discriminating and eventually leads to violent deaths, terrorists etc,…lets’s all live as one.
One Zambia, One Nation, blind to tribe, colour, faith or status.**==
#57 teh creator gave us the bible as supreme authority and as a tool to use to discern between his teachings and false teachings. The bible is our reference book to catch liars should I say. So when these liars are caught blame the creator YHWH for giving us the bible to catch them. Like Proverbs 30:6 tells us he who adds to the words of the creator will be shown to be a liar. IThe creator wants us to know him and by knowing him we use his word he gave us from prophets .
No. 61:
I think we all have enough demons of our own to contend with without the need to worry about others. The bible is not there as a weapon for bashing other people with. No human being is without sin and as long as that remains the case, I believe the bible is there to improve our spiritual health. It is not liar catcher reference book. God can do his own work without our help.
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58. your flag dobo banton(9TH).LLB, I will be back. I have been blogging on “Bomb kills four …” since yesternight when I came back from church. When, I woke up today someone wrote me to wake up for it was time to blog. I did ust that because I did not want to disappoint that person.
So, I will come at the appropriate time. In the meantime, who is a Rabbi? Who calls an elder or deacon Father in the SDA Church?
Later, for I have to eat as a human to maintain shape and healthy!
#63 Excuses I see , let me make it simple for you Maestro the bible doesn’t condone organised religion or appointment of a hierachy of elders or deacons. And rabbi means teacher or pastor as you people call it nowadays, the son of man was a rabbi a teacher and only he so your deacons and elders are useless and unbiblical
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60. your flag gelogelo, following your request in the Bomb … topic, write me on [email protected] as this is the best I can suggest. Have a blessed day.
#62
have you ever bothered to read the bible at all? because if you have you would know it’s sole purpose. it is to provide salvation and help people move away from the devil. sadly in this day and age when people are shown that their ways are wrong they resort to playing the victim card and say they are being bashed. If the bible is a warning of things to come and how to avoid them, if the bible didn’t want us to avoid those lies it would have been silent about them. So save your criticisms for th creator on judgement day because spiritual health comes from truth not concerted earthly traditions and victim cards
which churuch does RB go to?I need happy ,i need a job as a farm manager,please help,
No. 66
We’ve come full circle, I refer you to No. 57
#68 You must be mistaking correction for judgement. Correction is what prevents a bad judgement , you are getting the two mixed up. when corrected using YHWH’s word that is not judgement. If you disobey Yhwh’s correction which is in the bible you only have one outcome that is yet to happen.
I will pray for guidance and he will provide, as always.
#49 Jaroph
One Zambia one nation did not originate from christianity. The declaration originated from from the ideologies of our founding fathers. Before 1991, Zambians were more united. Now look at your Christian Nation led by all sorts of crooks full of tribalism.
#69
“You must be mistaking correction for judgement. Correction is what prevents a bad judgement , you are getting the two mixed up”
Are you certain this sentence is correct?
No. 71
I do not recall claiming that it did. My point was that I agreed with the sentiments expressed in that paragraph.
And I actually stated, “forget the Chiluba nonsense”!
Proverbs 15:32 is your clarification #72. Correction is what the whole bible is meant to do. The correction is to prevent people being led to destruction . Correction is not judgement , judgement day has not happened so saying judgement is the same as correction is just wishful thinking. The wise accept correction from scripture, the wicked refuse the correction from scripture and hold fast to obeying their fellow men
Iam wit u bishop even here in America.
OK No. 74, I could argue that that teaching, learning and knowledge prevent bad judgement, whereas correction follows bad judgement but that would be to prolong a debate that has no chance of having a useful outcome. I stand by what i said in No. 57 above and I agree with Gelogelo in the No.40 posting above too.
I’m glad you are content with your path.
74., 64. and 58. dobo banton(9TH).LLB, firstly are you the Mwine filimu who ran away from me the other time?
You have answered on Professor mutengo, but why are you hesitating to acknowledge or refuse that you know mwine filimu who could not stand my educating him in the other thread.
If it is you or your relation, please find most of your querries which I discussed with mwine filimu who ran away from me, Maestro Hhehhehhehhe, last time on the thread:
w w w. lusakatimes . com/ ? p = 2290
If you have other issues regardless of what I already answered last time please call again. :-w.
76. Jaroph, if the character you are debating with is the mwine filimu I alluded to in #78 above, the young man contradicts himself and runs around from point to point. Just check out the referred to posting in my posting above if you have time.
Enjoy yourself.
I dont think the country should be a ‘Christian Nation’, as not all Zambians are Christians. Also people tend to forget that Christianity was brought to the country by those who colonised us and put us into slavery AND that we had our own religious practices which we seem to want to forget.
Please forget the Chiluba nonsense and concentrate on things that will help Zambia develop. The ka ma short man had simply run out of ideas and wanted to deviate our attention. I hate people who try to make others believe things they themselves don’t believe. Does a Christian honestly lock up somebody on Christamas evening on matters that he knows are false? Does a Christian cause deaths of people who are opposed to his weird views? Be careful with crooks who try to confuse poltics with religion – they serve two different purposes in society and you need to understand this or they will cause war in the nation. Forget Chiluba and his false prophet lies.
How can you ask people to dress in colors of the flag? Is it a Politically Rally? I would have asked people to dress in their CHURCH UNIFORMS.
Maestro I simply asked you for scriptural references for your electing of your false church leaders and you resort to Ad Hominems. You have failed Maestro and are a hyporcrite. Aren’t you G-lafj from bwanji the same fella just a few days ago rejected christmas and yet was happily partaking in it in 2007:-?
Answer the question or go to sleep. If your intelligence can’t handle something simple you might as well admit it.
You have no scriptural backing for your useless church leadership hence it is useless . Stop linking me to people you have in your imagination:-?
Good your are back, #83, I was almost giving up. Let us try and see how far we can go now. I am happy because I ran away in your words and I came back to prove that I had you in mind on a serious note.
So, hang in there my friend. You made my day today. Let me answer your querries one by one. :-w.
Unlike you I am a busy person so My time is short. You must be imagining because I only asked you one question 8 hours ago and that was scriptural reference for your elected false leaders. But somehow thats a really hard question because it took me 40 seconds to answer you with my scriptural reference . 😕 Also you are resorting to being a false witness and dodging my question. If theres someone that contradicts themselves it is you I have the bwanji pages to prove that. So be mature and answer a simple question , if you can’t then let it go
Youngman, 85. dobo banton(9TH).LLB, tone down. I am working on your assignment. It is not hard at all, but I need to give you a coherent response which should help you give up your disjointed behaviour!
Now, sine someone said/sung, ‘mwana akalila bhonzo, mwana mupase,” I will give you the scriptures.
Here we go:
King james Version Holy Bible:
1 Timothy 3:1 This [is] a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
Acts 1:15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,) …1:23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all [men], shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
#87 Timtohy Chapter 3 is talking about Overseers of HOUSEHOLDS not the SDA church. And nowhere does it say they should be elected . Another good case of twisting scripture to suite your own desires. If you bother to read the whole chapter it talks nothing of yearly elections actually a deacon is a head of the household.
So here you fail terribly maestro because you simply quoted a scripture that doesn’t talk of elected deacons instead talks of houselhold overseers.
acts 1:15 says nothing of elected deacons and elders so another failure and twisting of scriptures . And also the ministry being talked about is the jewish faith of the bible. If you remember you are SDA spawn of millerites and gould followers you weren’t there during the book of acts .
So wena muchaha, 83. dobo banton(9TH).LLB, I have given you enough for now. Let us see what you have for me now. Also, I am the G#la_fj for bwanji since you asked in your ‘Aren’t you G-lafj from bwanji the same fella just a few days ago rejected christmas and yet was happily partaking in it in 2007,’ though you forgot to put a question mark.
Do not panic for I understand. Now, can you please inform me if you are the ‘mwine filimu’ who ran away from the thread I posted above on #78? Real men acknowledge, when the truth befalls them and so you dont need to run about for it is a simple question which invites a YES or NO answer. Stand up to the challenge!
and finally ephesians talks nothing of elected deacons or elders . So you see Maestro failure is in your DNA. you are taking the faith of the scriptures where in fact teachers were called rabbi’s and the trying to play it off as SDA rhetoric . There is nowhere in the bible where an elected deacons or elders are condoned. Deacons timothy are overseers of households.
the bible allows one teacher and one priest i.e yeshua the son of man and not any other. All religious hierachy is corrupt . You have failed to show a scriptural reference so I deem you useless
91. dobo banton(9TH).LLB, you see that you have nothing to defend as you are not runnin about to and fro. The SDA church is based on the Holy Bible – and that is both the Old and New Testaments.
I addressed your Miller and Ellen G. White accusations in the thread referred to on posting #78 e.g. w w w. lusakatimes . com/ ? p = 2290. I will thus not repeat what I wrote you mwine filimu whose must be you, 91. dobo banton(9TH).LLB , for this will be wasting precious time.
So, come up with something concrete or give up in the same manner you ran away as mwine filimu in the alluded to thread.
A sure hyprocritic False witness you are. I remember you calling me a Satanist for telling you what christmass meant. And it is mighty funny you now realise how infantile you were G#la_fj. Also If i remember correctly you called me something rude for refusing easter and celebrating passover. The chickens have really come to roost ehy? I actually thought you were smart too bad
Can you re-read my contribution to you on Acts, Ephesians and 1 Timothy, and then resubmit your arguments with careful thoughts and not accusations which are baseless. I will give you 30 minutes to carefully read and understand my postings to you! In this time, I will not waste time to response to nonsense.
IF you are based in the bible how come your founder John Miller was a masonic false prophet. You SDA’s are obsessed with one commandment and claim to be the true faith when you are only 150 years old. And yet hebrews which is where I belong have been around since the time of adam and we keep all commandments. You SDA are obsessed with one sabbath and yet you forget the most important sabbaths like the high sabbaths . No SDA is even mentioned in the bible and when the bible you read was written by hebrews[-(
91. dobo banton(9TH).LLB, you see that you have nothing to defend as you are now running about to and fro. The SDA church is based on the Holy Bible – and that is both the Old and New Testaments.
I addressed your Miller and Ellen G. White accusations in the thread referred to on posting #78 e.g. w w w. lusakatimes . com/ ? p = 2290. I will thus not repeat what I wrote you mwine filimu whose must be you, 91. dobo banton(9TH).LLB , for this will be wasting precious time.
So, come up with something concrete or give up in the same manner you ran away as mwine filimu in the alluded to thread.
#96 read 90 91 and 93. you twisted scripture and I showed you where . Plus you did not even show me where SDA’s are even mentioned in the bible. Y
Why are you not posting what am writing?
g~la_fj ae you googling information :-w. I remember from the forums days you could not use your brain you had to rely on google. And to think when I tried to teach you things you resorted to calling me a devil and now you accept my teachings. I actually forgive your young mind because you do not know better. next time when somebody tries to teach you be an adult and check into what they are saying instead of insulting them. And to think Maestro is G#f_ hahaha , I really thought you were smart . Am going to bed now
According to my #96. Maestro Hhehhehhehhe, the 30 minutes has now elapsed young LAWYER or LAW-STUDENT, mwana poho 101. dobo banton(9TH).LLB.
I will now respond to your issues with their due respect in the following mine postings.
;))
90. dobo banton(9TH).LLB and your ‘#87 Timtohy Chapter 3 is talking about Overseers of HOUSEHOLDS not the SDA church. And nowhere does it say they should be elected .’
The Chapter records about electing a bishop to the office to lead the church as indicated on ‘1 Timothy 3:1 This [is] a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work…5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)’.
Just sober up for I think Law student are taught soung English to understand simple context of messages like this one.
Ehee lelo ba kusoka Maestro wa chilamo!!! :-@:-@:-@:-@:-@:-@:-@:-@
91. dobo banton(9TH).LLB has been touched on my posting #94 save acts 1:15 says nothing of elected deacons and elders so another failure and twisting of scriptures. Thus, “Acts 1: 26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles,” clearly shows elections being conducted.
“Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;” puts it more clear. I will also add Acts 6 below for you (check it out).
I am a Christian but I believe that the declaration of Zambia as a Christian nation was illegal.
104. Katumbi, jus watch how I will make this character run away as he did in the other thread I have mentioned. To this point, the character has failed to acknowledge that he is the ‘mwine filimu’ I smoked out of the other thread for fear of being known as a coward who has even droppd his initial ‘mwine filimu’ name to something new to try and cover his failures.
I know the youngman. The only good thing is that he seem to have reformed from insults. It appears my prayers for him have truly worked. In bwanji.com, he used to be called ‘WTF’, a name I even feel uneasy to type. What a character and a shame!
Acts 6 + KJV Bible
6:1 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.
6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples [unto them], and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
6:3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
6:4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.
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#108 continued.
6:5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:
6:6 Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid [their] hands on them.
6:7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.
93. dobo banton(9TH).LLB, you wrote, ‘you are taking the faith of the scriptures where in fact teachers were called rabbi’s and the trying to play it off as SDA rhetoric .’
Here is a definitaion for you for Rabbi:
Definitions of rabbi on the Web:
spiritual leader of a Jewish congregation; qualified to expound and apply Jewish law
a Hebrew title of respect for a Jewish scholar or teacher
wordnet. princeton. edu/ perl/ webwn
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#107, Maestro ubonaushi nomba uyu!! so your aim on this blog is to chase reputable bloggers?
whats your target?
Be careful with the same young man ‘pantu ala kusoka nakaili’
I wish LT. has taken note of this… :-w:-w:-w:-w:-w:-w
Which reputable bloggers?
I am trying to post soemthing which has delayed my answering the youngman here.
This celebration makes Karl Marx a Saint. The prophetic saying yet to be disproved. “Religion is the opium for the masses” Give them more religion Zambia while Chiluba spends millions on pyjamas and hardly any medicine in the hospitals. Chiluba’s Christianity!!
#110 continued.
-The Hebrew word meaning ” my teacher.”
ww w. tem ple tons. c o m/ charles/ jesus/ glo s sary. ht ml
#115 continued.
-From Hebrew p h r a s e meaning “my master.” A leader of a Jewish syna go gue.
ww w. reli g i o u s t o l e r a n c e. o r g/ gl_ r. ht m
-Master/ slave or M/ s relationships are a special case of dominance/ submission, in which the dominant has ultimate authority over the submissive. …
dati nga ndchat. c om/ bdsm- glos s ary. ht ml
With the above postings, I will now go to Matthew 23: 7 – 11.
Matthew 23 + KJV Bible
23:7 And greetings in the m a r k e t s, and to be called of men, R a b b i, R a b b i.
8 But be not ye called R a b b i: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.
What about the Muslims,the Hindu worshipers and the non Christians?
In #117:
R a b b i connotes M A S T E R as the f u l l c o l o n, :, has indicated in verse 8 above. Exactly and truely, there is only one m a s t e r for us all Jesus Christ our Saviour and God.
Follow on…
Matthew 23 + KJV Bible continued.
23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ.
23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Indeed ther is only one father as in one we need to revere to, God the Father. The rest rest my father who died are justearthly parents whom we should never worship, but give due respect.
Again the meaning of Rabbi as Jesus Christ being our only MASTER comes through.
#116, Maestro Hhehhehhehhe
I like the zeal with which you defend your faith and the SDA church. However, my observation is that sometimes you over do it to the extent that your well meaning intetions do more harm to the cause of christ than good. Submitt your debates in a cool manner such that even when people call you names, do not retaliate with name calling because that is not the character of Jesus. It is important also that you keep in mind that belonging to the SDA church will not save you (or anybody). We are all saved by the grace of God through faith in Jesus christ. In some cases you come out with a pharisical attitude of “us and them”, ‘holier than thou attitude’.
#117, 119 and 120 were put in that fashion due to:
2 Peter 1 + KJV Bible
1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
on comparing Mathew 23 to other scripture like “phesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;” as the Holy Bible doesnt contradict itself.
Continued from 121.
Christianity is not about competition with fellow brethren or other churches or religions. Its about character development. Our standard is the character of Jesus christ. We need to develop characters that will fit us for heaven. I hope my humble contribution will be of help in your christian journey.
Thanks fellow Citizen 121. Biggie Jim . I have not called anyone names but what either is true and they have called themselves e.g. I did not call dobo banton(9TH).LLB, WTF or mwine filimu but he did it himself. This is why I even wrote that I feel uneasy to even write the name WTF which dobo banton(9TH).LLB used in bwanji. com.
I hope you understand this point.
As on my defending the SDA Church, I am merely responding to the yougman’s questionings. That is it and nothing more or less.
123. Biggie Jim, your writing is very much useful. So, do you want me not to answer dobo banton(9TH).LLB’s questions. The man knows me as G#la_fj in bwanji and I know him as WTF from there too. On here LT, the youngman used to be ‘mwine filimu’ until I proved that he was deceived about the SDA Church. He then went into oblivion, but has somehow reappeared with more confusion than he was although this time he has given up insulting like I mentioned earlier. So, what’s your take on the youngman on responding him? Is he worthy, or I treat him as one of those seeking to put me in disrepute without anything useful to offer but accusations?
#124, Maestro Hhehhehhehhe
In your posting at #107, you wrote:
“Katumbi, jus watch how I will make this character run away”
This to me sounds like name calling and does harm to your well meaning intetions.
93. dobo banton(9TH).LLB, your “the bible allows one teacher and one priest i.e yeshua the son of man and not any other. All religious hierachy is corrupt . You have failed to show a scriptural reference so I deem you useless,” has thus been answered carefully on the issue of teacher = Rabbi = Master in my posting 117,119, 120 and 122.
On the issue about ‘one priest’, the SDA Church doesnt have priests except our High Priest Jesus Chrsit as indicated by the Book of Hebrews in the Holy Scriptures.
126. Biggie Jim, with all due respect my friend, the term character means:
-a person of a specified kind (usually with many eccentricities); “a real character”; “a strange character”; “a friendly eccentric”; “the capable type”; “a mental case”
-good repute; “he is a man of character”
Please type “define: character” into the google search engine faithfully in this order and see the results. If there is anything wrong with its use in my posting, please write back to me soonest ans point it exactly for I am sure I have used it correctly in terms of British English Language. I will be waiting!
95.dobo banton(9TH).LLB, you wrote “A sure hyprocritic False witness you are. I remember you calling me a Satanist for telling you what christmass meant. And it is mighty funny you now realise how infantile you were G#la_fj. Also If i remember correctly you called me something rude for refusing easter and celebrating passover. The chickens have really come to roost ehy? I actually thought you were smart too bad”
I remember calling you satanist because a satanist is one who follows the devil.The devil is a liar and likes insulting and so, you fitted in that category perfect hence my calling you such. However, I have ever tried to bring sense to your young mind including praying for you.
129 continued.
Here is the scripture I used to call you satanist:
John 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Also, Revelation 12:12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
#129 continued.
Here is the scripture I used to call you satanist:
John 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Also, Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Hence the proof.
#125, Maestro Hhehhehhehhe,
There is nothing wrong with you responding to dobo banton(9TH).LLB’s questions. Iam of the opinion that what you should change is the strategy, the way you respond and come out. We can learn alot from the way the greatest teacher ever to have lived on planet earth (Jesus christ). How did Jesus teach? How did Jesus christ respond to questions which some were merely asked to find fault in him or to trap Him? I may not be in the best position to give you a straight answer but i would urge you to meditate on Jesus christ’s methods of teaching and explaining scripture. We all have alot to learn from the master teacher.
132. Biggie Jim, I am grateful for your advice. I have written on many occassions on here that I am fallable and I do my best to remain as SDA as possible.
I only defend my position and I do not insult. This is why I ask people to tell me exactly what is wrong with what I write, but none points out.
I hope you will respond to my asking for what is wrong with the use of the word ‘character’ in my posting. If that was not your concern please state exactly what is your concern! I am waiting.
#131 continued.
95.dobo banton(9TH).LLB, you wrote ” I remember you calling me a Satanist for telling you what christmass meant.” i thus urge you to substantiate this claim in the quote failure to which my claim that you are satanist will continue standing because I am treating it as a lie and John 8:44 still stands against you.
Ask anyone SDA person, we dont celebrate christmas in Zambia as Adventist PERIOD. So your claim that I celebrated christmas in 2007 is completely false and a lie maintaining that you a satanist.
97. dobo banton(9TH).LLB, your wrote “IF you are based in the bible how come your founder John Miller was a masonic false prophet” and this is probably why I called you a satanist last time. I have told you before that William Miller was NEVER an SDA in his life time. Since this is a lie, again you prove that you are a satanist. check w w w. lusakatimes . com/ ? p = 2290 for proof.
On the, “You SDA’s are obsessed with one commandment and claim to be the true faith when you are only 150 years old,” what you like to write; we as SDAs keep all the 10 commandments and “James 2:2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all” is with us SDAs.
#135 continued.
Now that William Miller was NEVER an SDA in his life time, how then could he have been the founder of the SDA Church? You lie, 97. dobo banton(9TH).LLB, is too clear to defend your confusion.
In fact, who is this ‘John Miller’ on your posting 97 you are referring to? I have never heard about him in the SDA Church history. I have indicated a William miller who was not a founder of the SDA Church, but one who studied Daniel 8:14’8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed’ for 5 years and brought in the 1844 calculations of Jesus Christ’s perceived coming.
#136 continued.
Ths SDA Church was founded in 1860 long after the great disappointment and disapointment of October 22 and March 21 1844 respectively.
132. Biggie Jim, you you there? i need acknowledgement of receipt of my request to help me on the word ‘character’ and its usage in my posting.
97 and 99. dobo banton(9TH).LLB, on “No SDA is even mentioned in the bible and when the bible you read was written by hebrews” and “96 read 90 91 and 93. you twisted scripture and I showed you where . Plus you did not even show me where SDA’s are even mentioned in the bible. Y,” please care the following carefully:
King James Version Holy Bible
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
In thid scripture, allusion is made to REMNANT OF HER (WOMAN) SEED. This indicates the remaining truth form of the woman who represnts the Church.
#139 continued.
Starting with Abraham and Eve, men have always been Adventists. What does Adventist mean? It means waiting for Jesus Christ to come! “Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel,” surely pointed to Jesus Christ’s coming to destroy the devil, satan, and his group of sinners like liars who do not want to give up giving lies.
The came Noah, Abraham, Moses, etc and all those were Adventists as indicated in the rituals they performed to have sins forgiven of themselves.
140 continued.
Genesis 22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here [am] I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where [is] the lamb for a burnt offering?
8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here [am] I.
12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, ….
#141 continued.
Genesis 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only [son] from me.
13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind [him] a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
The above scriptures give us an indication of Jesus Christ the perfect sacrifice’s coming and so my point the Abraham, etc were Adventists stands.They kept the Sabbath Day Holy as God, our Creator has instructed them to do through his rest example after creation.
Moses was later given the 10 commandments as given in Exodus 20 and other compononts of that Book where the tablet of stone divided into two had the 10 commandments with a set of four refering to loving God and the remaining six referring to fellow man as Christ clarified later that there are two great commandments in the new Testament.
Many other potions of scripture can be cited on Adventists from the beginning, but I will give proof of this from Jesus Christ himself recorded in Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
#143 continued.
So the law and what the prophets indicated was actually fulfilled by Christ Jesus.
Jesus’ name appears in the Hebrew Bible in Isaiah 62:11 as Yeshua meaning salvation. The same is repeated those stemming from Greek since the bible was compiled in it in the early christian days in Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Luke 2 also records in verse “11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.”
“Luke 2:21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb” and also “Luke 2:28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,”
So the salvation = JESUS = YEHUSHUA or YESHUA and nothing strange. A synonymous situation is where Bembas say Akinde Ichilema and the originators of the name Tongas say Hakainde Hic(?)ilema. Nothing sinister about the name since it points to one person.
#145 continued.
On the Sabbath in the New Testament, there is a clear pointer in:
Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this [place] again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Also, SDAs are shown in:
Revelation “14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus”.
Christianity does not come by declaration, but by demonstration. No matter how many times a thorn bush declares it is an apple tree, as long as it does not bear apples is waste of time. :-??
People are being cheated by this empty declaration, but I guess the devil must be given chance to show his true colours and sweep millions with him on his journey to hell.
Also, I refer to Revelation 12 again verse “17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ” and “19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
So the true people of God will keep His 10 commandments and have a rare gift of prophecy understanding the events around the second coming of Christ in relation to Daniel and other prophets.
Lastly, “Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads” and “Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.”
“Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.”
101. dobo banton(9TH).LLB, you also wrote, “g~la_fj ae you googling information .”
Yes I had to google the verses for you and if you have any more querries ask and I shall give you your well deserved answers.
On “I remember from the forums days you could not use your brain you had to rely on google. And to think when I tried to teach you things you resorted to calling me a devil and now you accept my teachings.”
I challenge you to prove these you claims failure to which i maintain that you are a liar and a satanist because of John 8:44 I indicated above.
#150 must be:
101. dobo banton(9TH).LLB, you also wrote, “g~la_fj ae you googling information .”
Yes I had to google the verses for you and if you have any more querries ask and I shall give you your well deserved answers.
On “I remember from the forums days you could not use your brain you had to rely on google. And to think when I tried to teach you things you resorted to calling me a devil and now you accept my teachings.”
I challenge you to prove these your claims failure to which i maintain that you are a liar and a satanist because of John 8:44 I indicated above. :-w.
I’m not SDA but I do not like their overnight prayers. I have told my wife never to attend or else… The other thing I do not like about them is that if you are catholic and your wife is SDA like me, they would want to discourage the woman from the relationship. Dont argue with me please. I have the facts.
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You will be happy you did. :-\”
This is not a Christian nation. Ka FTJ just wanted to hood wink the ever gullible Zambians. Whats so christian about us when we are polygamists, mahules, corrupt, and all evil things. Be a God fearing on your own
Christian nation pakamwa. We need practical Christians
#138, Maestro Hhehhehhehhe
Thank you for educating me on the meaning of the word character. However when used as follows: “Katumbi, jus watch how I will make this character run away”, it has a negative connotation which potrays you as looking down on your fellow blogger just like the pharisees behaved towards others they considered ‘not of their class’. Sorry for responding late. I had to do other things.
BLESSED IS A NATION WHOSE GOD IS THE LORD.BLESSED IS ZAMBIA OUR BELOVED NATION AND INHERITANCE.PRAISE BE TO GOD THE MOST HIGH.
Why are there so many satanists if it’s a christian nation???
Nsabata badala ……..maestro follows it well.Keep the spirit……
Maestro you are truly a halfwit
Humour me this if the SDA are teh true people , tell me where does it put us hebrews?[-( . Hebrews have always kept teh commandments of yeshua and YHWH . You SDA’s come from a proven false prophet who you refuse to face reality
I speak hebrew and i can assure your slow self rabbi means teacher . You have to use google because you have no brain.
And you posted over 15 replies while I slept and yet you fail to show me where the word ‘ELECT’ even appears in timothy 3:1. Somehow you think a man overseeing his house is the same as being elected into a church. You go as far as lieing that remnant is SDA and funny enough remnant means what remains of what was there before(SDA’s weren’t there before). And you go as far as call me a Satanist and yet you insulted me the same way on Bwanji for telling your The true name of the messiah and rtue origins of christmas. [-( If i am a satanist why did you listen to me then maestro about christmas. I am truely ashamed that you are older and yet younger in demeanor
And jesus does not appear in the hebrew bible . There is no letter J is hebrew so how you have convinced yourself such a name appears is beyond me. Use your brain I mean google . the real name of the messiah is Yeshua not Jesus. And after rereading timothy chapter 3 there is still no word about electing elders .
And seriously you are beyond daft when the bible says whole law it means the torah. the torah has 613 laws so when it says keep the whole law it means not only the commandments but the whole torah[-(. You were the same person that called me a madman for keeping the torah when i celebrated passover. Maestro you truely are very dull I tell you
And jesus does not appear in the hebrew bible . There is no letter J is hebrew so how you have convinced yourself such a name appears is beyond me. Use your brain I mean google . the real name of the messiah is Yeshua not Jesus. And after rereading timothy chapter 3 there is still no word about electing elders .
And seriously you are beyond daft when the bible says whole law it means the torah. the torah has 613 laws so when it says keep the whole law it means not only the commandments but the whole torah[-(. You were the same person that called me a madman for keeping the torah when i celebrated passover. Maestro you truely are very slow I tell you
Theres the hebrew bible why don’t you take your uneducated self and see if jesus appears. Emmaneul appears which in hebrew means Elohim is with us which in turn means Yeshua or yahushuah
scripture4all-dot-org(hebrew bible in hebrew/english)
the true believers are hebrews, they keep the whole law(torah) and are not obsessed with one commandment. the true believers shall know his name YHWH and yet you call teh creator by a false title. Accept reality SDA’s are just modern pretenders who keep one law and blasphem the rest. You don’t keep YHWH’s appointed feasts, you don’t eat kosher food, your women do not do Nidda …so how you would think you are right is beyond me.
Also maestro you called me a satanist for using the fathers and sons real names YHWH and Yahushuah. Can you please use google because I know your brain’s disabled to tell me why a satanist would use the father and sons real names. Also if you SDA’s are mentioned in revelations how come all teh gates into heaven have hebrew names?
guys let us look at the story of Lot and check our lives if God was to pick His own today in Zambia where it has been said a Christian Country are we likely to be amoung those who will be picked?
And I have found the evidence about William Miller and Ellen Gould white:d
Ellen Gould sympathised with William miller and actually said he wasn’t a false prophet. She reinterpretated his prophecy as to say the second coming already happened. Ellen gould white said the second coming was spiritual.
like the bible says in galatians 1:8 accursed is he that brings good news not from the bible and also deut 18 says if someone is prove to be a false prophet …
and you called me a satanist for telling you that[-(
1. AFTER THE DECLARATION, SATANISTS FLOODED OUR BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY. WHY?
2. THE DECLARATION WAS MADE BY ‘UTUNTEMBA CHURCHES’
3. WE DONT REALLY KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO DECLARE A COUNTRY ‘A CHRISTIAN NATION’
#7 Nine Chale, #8 Biggie Jim, #9 The Real Deal AND #15 I SALUTE YOU GUYS.
CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY LT HAS NOT SAID ANYTHING ON “FTJ’S GENEVA-BASED TAILOR ORDERED TO REPAY GOVT”
‘The London High Court has ordered former president Fredrick Chiluba’s tailors to repay the Zambian Govt more than US$900,000 received from the Zamtrop account.
Mr Basile is a tailor based in Geneva who used to supply Dr Chiluba with Italian designer clothes and shoes.
He supplied Dr Chiluba with 206 suits made of the finest cloth, 64 pairs of hand-made shoes, 195 designer shirts as well as many silk pyjamas and dressing gowns.
#33, what blessed nation, Israel? when they are busy killing innocent children! Zambia? when people can not even afford decent livelihoods while they so-called leaders are living in luxury! For as long as these unexplained inequalities are with us, I shall forever question this religious nonsense, my God does not belong to any religion!
Contd from 169
Mr Basile admitted forgoing invoices and having received money from former intelligence chief Xavier Chungu on behalf of Dr Chiluba for goods that were not delivered.
The evidence in court showed that more that $750,000 was paid into Mr Basile’s private account in Geneva and was withdrawn and that the same account had not been used from the time Dr Chiluba and Mr Chungu left office’
DID I JUST MISS THIS?
This is the guy who declared Zambia a christian nation.
All we need is to walk in the foot steps of Jesus thats all we need as a christian nation. All this name calling I see on the blog day in and day out just calls a for CURSE upon our lives.
I’m a devout Catholic but I never really agreed with declaring our country as a Christian nation when just like the number of tribes we have, the number of reglions are so diverse.
Ironically the person who made this declaration is the most corrupt and the biggest sinner and he committed adultery like nobody’s business. KK is a Christian but didn’t force Christianity he wasn’t so unwise as to completely sideline other religions (and race doesn’t come into it either).
The whole declaration has made a mockery of Christianity, what with corrupt “believers”, adulterous clergymen and pastors. Things should’ve been left alone. It didn’t mean we were demonic before the declaration surely?!
Only God knows whether I am a true believer or just a pretender. So debating the issue the extent that others seem so keen on doing is rather pointless.
Amen!
Matthew 7:3-5 (New International Version)
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
I think I have enough saw dust of my own to sort out let alone worrying about how my neighbour prays!
Amen, and again i say Amen!
Biggie Jim, are there significant language barriers in Japan, or can one use English and the odd word of Japanese?
Let God judge us and not ourselves to judge each other.
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156. your flag Biggie Jim, thanks very much. I have taken note.
#167. dobo banton(9TH).LLB, youngman, I have explained why I call you satanist so stop including other things without proofs.
I will not waste my time on your allegations without proofs on Christmas and anything else. Give me my quoted texts and the sources instead of offering more lies.
I have explained about the name Jesus for our Christ, the Creator. You are free to use YESHUA or YEHUSHUA and I do not care about that for JESUS CHRIST is enough for me as the character of Jesus Christ as my God is what is important to me on Hebrew or Greek Language names. Why dont you blog in Hebrew if you’re so obsessed about it or your Lozi? The English or Greek equivalent of YEHUSHUA is ok for me PERIOD
#182 continued.
Until you provide proof from my direct quotes youngman, I will not waste precious time to respond to your rants.
I will be checking for any sensible postings from you though that may warranty my response to you.
For now, have a great day and please remmember to confess your sins to Jesus Christ. I will continue praying for you as there is significant improvement in the way you used to conduct yourself peraventure you will change for the better in future by following God, the Creator, properly.
32. Ex South Central
Not sure what your point is but enjoy the fruits of your labour – try not to laugh at the misfortune of others though!
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159. your flag AlfredT greetings, thanks very much and on your, “Nsabata badala ……..maestro follows it well.Keep the spirit….”
I will continue doing my best to be in God’s way, by His grace.
I hope the new constitution will not only say Zambia is a christian country in the preamble and end there.What practical ways are there to ensure this is a christian country? Will any laws reflect this? With the freedom of worship what does this mean? I don’t hear the head of state say much about a christian nation,save for the lone voice of General Shikapwasha.The declaration is a sham without practical measures being implemented.Indeed the guy who made the declaration is not an example to follow.
EVERYTIME I LOG ONTO LUSAKATIMES, I THINK ZAMBIANS TALK TOO MUCH RUBBISH. CANT YOU JUST TALK PROPERLY MWE BANTU!? ALL WE DO IS INSULT, CRITICISE, BLASPHEME, SHOW-OFF, UKUSHOBA, ETC. LET US CLEANSE OUR SPIRITS AND MOUTHS WITH HOLY WATER THIS FESTIVE SEASON. AND PLEASE LET THE NEW YEAR BE FILLED WITH POSITIVITY. LET US MAKE POSITIVE CONTRIBUTIONS AND IF WE HAVE TO CRITICISE POSITIVELY!
GOD BLESS YOU ALL!
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I will start blogging positively in 2009. Its just so un christian to insult, criticise, blaspheme, show-off and ukubosha. What happens to our spirit within us when we do that. We ask ourselves whats wrong with my life but the other day you where insulting the president. What does the Bible say about respecting our elders and leaders in society? If we continue to insult and say many other things we say we just bringing a curse on ourselves.
No. 187
“AND PLEASE LET THE NEW YEAR BE FILLED WITH POSITIVITY. LET US MAKE POSITIVE CONTRIBUTIONS AND IF WE HAVE TO CRITICISE POSITIVELY!”
I agree!
Maestro Hhehhehhehhe i wld like 2c u coz i guess u :-@:-@:-@ to much & am wondering wat time u work.
Imwe mwefipuba ka Maestro Hhehhehhehhe nakanankwe ka dobo banton(9TH).LLB. Finshi muchita ? go and work or study.
Haha what a useless chap, I will not rise to provocation you can call me Satanist all you want Maestro. I have your quotes and guess what you can google them . Your quotes of your false prophet Ellen Gould white who is your christ.
American Religions page 230 Line 24
also the newworld encyclopedia has an entry on ellen gould’s white false prophecy
w w w-dot-ellenwhiteexposed-dot-com/chrono.htm
189 AND 190, THUMBS UP YOU GUYS. 😡
191 AND 192 HAVE CONTINUED IN THE SAME NEGATIVE SPIRIT.
LATER!
And I hope you look into your prophets utterings and her lies and connections. Instead of insulting people that tell you the truth. I taught you before and you insulted me and then followed my teachings and now I am still teaching you and you still insult. I forgive your lost heart you know no better . And do not insult teh hebrew language because wise is he that respects that tongue of heaven. you can insult the hebrew name of the messiah but what you childishly forget is that the messiah never told you to call him by any other names but his real name
195. dobo banton(9TH).LLB
Maestro posted his email address ([email protected] )
Take your arguements off line
#3 YOU ARE RIGHT. LOOK AT PEOPLE LIKE MULONGOTI/NTETAMASHIMBA/PANDE AND SEVERAL OTHERS, THE LANGUAGE THEY USE IS UNCHRISTIAN. #9 DO NOT JUDGE. THEY ARE SO MANY CABINET MINISTERS AND MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT WHO HAVE COMMITTED SIMILAR OFFENCES AND SOME WORSE THAN WHAT CHILUBA DID. WE HAVE NO SOUND LEADERS WHO CAN CLAIM THAT THEY ARE 100% SMART INCLUDING THEIR WOMEN LIKE SYLVIA MURAMBIWA SITHOLE TEMBO MASEBO AND OTHERS. BWAFYA PA ZED. LET US ASK GOD FOR GUIDANCE PLEASE.
ish! its true Dobo needs to go offline. :-w those arguements dont affect the rest of us peaceful bloggers. go and fight ku email instead mwe!
191. That’s why….., write to me on [email protected] and take care.
your flag Dobo Banton(9th).LLB, interesting postings, but on a serious note how do you like my using bwanji. com username which you reminds me of the topics we debated there in.
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156. your flag Biggie Jim, check out “1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. ” The Holy Scriptures above were quoted from the King James Version Bible and the following too:
“James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.”
Christian nation indeed! The constitution allows one man to have as may wives as he can.Why not go the Germany way where a woman will be allowed to have more than one husband. shame on all the “immorally` upright supporters of such a sin against humanity and God. Control your animal appetite before you celebrate Zambia as a christian nation. Shame!. I will want to believe that Zambia Should be celebrated as a Polygamistic nation.