ammunition by police in quelling disturbances that occurred at the Copperbelt University of Zambia yesterday.
Speaking in Kampala today when he addressed Zambians residents in that country on the sidelines of the ongoing Smart Partnership Movement conference at Munyonyo Commonwealth resort, President Banda said he is extremely disappointed that police had to use live ammunition instead of teargas.
He said he did not understand why police had to resort to shooting
when there were other options of containing the riotous behavior of
the students.
President Banda has demanded for a comprehensive report on
circumstances leading to the use of live ammunition by police.
I am glad that the commissioner of police is here with me. I want to know why police used live ammunition. I am not happy at all. This report has disturbed me and spoiled my stay here in Uganda,” said
President Banda.
He said he was particularly disappointed to learn that the riotous behaviour emanated from a trivial matter involving the theft of a laptop from one of the students.
President Banda has advised University students and other youths not to resort to violent means in resolving personal differences.
He said there are other amicable ways of resolving problems emanating from the highest learning institutions citing the use of dialogue as the most preferred means of settling disputes.
President Banda said Zambians should emulate the way Uganda has scored tremendous strides in the provision of tertiary education to its people resulting in socio-economic development.
He said education is key for any country develop that this explained why Uganda has recorded significant growth in economic growth because of a large number of its citizens who attained university education.
“Education has a lot to with the development of Uganda. Imagine that every year they are churning out 30, 000 graduates,” he said.
President Banda regretted that Zambia’s education base had not been wide enough because of the limited number of people going through tertiary education.
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LT you are cheating us. that is not a CBU student. That is Kapoko!
I mean the one in a picture in front wearing a green trousers is Kapoko!!
These cops use live ammunition because they ve observed that they are a tool of the MMD and are never disciplined and especially when they do this to the opposition and defenceless students.
The police in Zambia are trigger happy and we need to do sthg about it. I hope the cop who shot at unarmed students can be identified and punished. they have tear gas and truncheons that they can use to disperse rious students.
Harare – A medicine woman, who conned President Robert Mugabe’s government out of about US$1m by bamboozling ministers into believing she could tap diesel fuel from a rock, was convicted of fraud at the weekend, state media reported on Monday.
DIDNT SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN TO KAUNDA TOO?
“President Banda said Zambians should emulate the way Uganda has scored tremendous strides in the provision of tertiary education to its people resulting in socio-economic development.
He said education is key for any country to develop and that this explained why Uganda has recorded significant growth in economic growth because of a large number of its citizens who attained university education”
Oh yes Mr President, this is bcoz in Uganda the education sector is a priority and funding is well considered. Bursaries are not corruptly obtained and Lecturers are well paid and looked after. You can’t compare the Zambia education system with Ugandas. Ours has been neglected and this is further shown by your appointing of corrupt elements to this ministry as ministers.
If live ammunition is what they are given when they go to disperse unrully crowds, what is the point in not using it ? I supposrt the police on this one because these students tend to get out of hand and start stoning innocent motorists damaging our treasures cars that we have worked so hard to buy. In my view its a very good deterent though I feel sorry for the wounded student. Well done ZP !
Bemoaning about the limited number of people going through tertiary education isn’t enough. Tertiary education has become very expensive and is now a preserve of Apamwambas and the well connected. To obtain government bursaries is an enigma. We are failing to even retain the few that have done so due to a horde of conundrums.
The bullet was actually suppossed to go go to the head or on the left side of his chest. May the commissioner fire that police officer that missed such a large target as a human being, he wasted state ammo.
Why should I risk my life and property as I use Jambo drive at the hands of insentitive students? Afterall I already contribute to their welfare through the heavy taxes.
shooting of that fresher at cbu makes sad reading. will the police ever change from a force to a service? ifyo twalefitobela amabwe! students riot over big issues of national importance including BC never over a laptop thief. Cops please dont provoking students. VIVA MONKO VIVA MONK POLICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
zambians students just like rioting… a riot over the theft of a lap top? ya I know it is valuable, but do you really need to go throwing stones and burning cars because of that? maybe some people should be shot at…
#9 Walasa. Sometimes we dont know when we either use Great East road or Jambo drive that these ‘intellectuals’ have smoked that day till you just hear a rock landing on your passenger’s window and maybe on the side where your 5 year old boy is sitting. These students should learn to respect the public and behave maturely. Thats why some of them end up as bloggers on LT talking tras.h like that horned guy I know
1) Why are the police wearing army uniforms?
2) Why are they using live ammunition, and not other riot control methods?
3) Why are the police equipped with automatic weapons?
Aren’t these the signs of a police state?
This cop should have aimed for the head or the ba11s !
chitonga stolen & u pachibwamba: u have never been students,if u were, u got small ostrich brains u forget fast. spare the students they were provoked. our stxpid cops get excited over nothing,in the process provoke students.
Its a pity someone was injured in the process, but again these students dont really reason in that they stone incent people’s vehicles. on a second thought they deserve to be shot at.
#13 (1)That is Para Military uniform, (2) Live ammo is the best deterrent, after the shooting Kitwe was quiet (3) Automatic weapons are in fashion my friend. No more Pembela nsokele ! VIVA BUJU, VIVA !!!
the statement is welcome but it would have made much sense if it was addressed back home where the incident happened and where the people who are more concerned are.
#9 Tonga steel,i absolutely second your comments.How are you anyway?I haven’t seen you for a little while!
we are always sacrificing pa zed, always we must shed some blood..
It pains me to read such disturbances at our two state universities. What has happened to critical analysis of issues at UNZA. When we were there at Camp D as we used to call it we could not demonstrate over useless things. We demonstrated over real issues such as GRZ supporting UNITA, Students shot at at Lubumbashi University, Re introduction of Multipartism, Try to force GRZ to declare war with Rhodesia rather than just watching when our people were being killed, lifting the ban on UNZASU and many more national issues. Not what these boys and girls are demonstrating over. ZP shoot them in the head so they stop stoning innocent motorists. VIVA real UNZASU!! Abash myopic analysis!
On “President Rupiah Banda has condemned the use of live ammunition by police in quelling disturbances that occurred at the Copperbelt University of Zambia yesterday“, Mr Zambian President RB Banda is proving to be a better president than late LP Mwanawasa as this is a good thing for the first time, but where was he (as then Vice President of Zambia) when Zambia Police Service men shot two UNZA students who were left at the mess of president HH to pay for their UTH high cost ward treatment? Funny, how bootlicking has been.
On “Education has a lot to with the development of Uganda. Imagine that every year they are churning out 30, 000 graduates“, I’m glad he …
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tonga mud or is it steel; your police are excited fxxxls, yo thinking matches their lack of foresight.the simple rule is never provoke my dear intellectuals at universities simple. i mean unza &cbu. we fight for BC not laptop unless provoked by ba buju. wish i was stiil a monk police!
#17 AKAPONDO, I beg to differ with you. For as long as RB has made a comment it does not matter where from, it carries weight. I do not suppot him but this is a technology era, so we should not make it an issue. That was my argumnet even on the striking nurses when everyone kept on saying he decided to go for an operation when he should have made a decision. Well, he could make a decision anywhere even on the moon. In fact, the man came back but did he change his position even after addressing a press conference in zed? No. Are we going to let Prof to stay put or rush back from an important conference just to come and make a comment whenever stupid students riot, or a market catches fire? No, because he would make a statement wherever he will be and that is enough.
The behaviour of the these police officers is very shameful. They are never supposed to use live ammunition on unarmed students. I have seen more violent public protests in SA but the police in SA never use live ammunition. They use rubber bullets or tear gass. But this is one example of how unprofessional the Zed police is. Live ammunition must be used only on armed criminals, and never on protesters or rioters.
Continuing on “On “Education has a lot to with the development of Uganda. Imagine that every year they are churning out 30, 000 graduates“, I’m glad he …” has taken note that Zambian tertiary education is nowhere compared to other countries in Africa and hence the low Human Development Index which shows that we are 13th last in the whole world.
Anyway, what is the way forward? Are we going to see building of new universities of say atleat one in each of our 9 provinces? The planned turning of Nkweme Nkhuluma Teacher’s Training College into a university is not enough, MMD GRZ led by Mr President RB Banda. We need seriousness over our education sector.
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With Zambia Police’s behaviour which has been followed by “President Banda has demanded for a comprehensive report on circumstances leading to the use of live ammunition by police“, who is instigating instbility in Zambia?
Is it the UPND-PF PACT or the mis-ruling Zambia MMD GRZ treating every small problem as their hold on power threatening? Why are the MMD GRZ people panicking always — even to the extent of leeting the Zambia Police Service behaviour as a police force? Is the serious opposition right to indicate that Zambia is now a police state or wrong?
Please, MMD learn to govern Zambia properly. If you lose an election too bad, try next time.
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Live ammunition on unarmed students? This is serious violation of Human Rights. Even tear gas is better.
Any one suggesting that the use of live ammunition against students is justified needs to have their heads examined. Granted, the University students do cause damage to private property, but the value of that cannot be equated to a human life. Not only that, the police response is disproportionate to threat. Are our police not trained to handle situations by any other less dangerous means? The Police Chief should resign for failing to issue clear guidelines for use of firearms, and if he did issue, then he should resign for failure to command the obedience of his force. If we as a people tolerate such behaviour it will be to our own peril. From my Unza days i know Police can easily be disarmed and the weapon used on them or other innocents.
finally..its about time..bring mo ammo..these student have to fear sumtin….crazy childish behaviour requires crazy childish response…nuclear bomb anyone???
…….most probably they dont have blank bullets in stock or they cant defferentiate between the two
Now do the so called students have a right to stone innocent citizens or damage their property each time they are aggrieved.so the cops have the right to use any deterent against anybody who poses a threat to society.infact he should have just aimed for the buttock so that that ka rowdy student would not have had sex for the rest of his life.next time you students are aggrieved go and stone state house or the provincial ministers house.those are the people you have bones to chew with not innocent poor citizens.
# 18 shimuchita panono
Am well. You see I had been unwell since that sunday I objectively criticised that religious article,
I ve confessed, i ve since done my penance,
By the way am former CBU student even though # 22 former monk police-CBU” ranting at me like that.
He must have been in that category of students the resorted to stones as opposed to intellect in resolution of disputes. Really in this era throwing stoness????
Zambia is without doubt a police state. When MMD cadres ( thugs ) create disorder or attack people the same police turn a blind eye or join the thugs in victimising the innocent even on state house grounds. Mr president no one takes you seriously on your mouthings.
Demonstrations of any kind can get out of hand if not handled well. That is why we pay the Police to maintain Law and order – but they must do this whilst maintaining respect for everybody’s human rights. The Police are not Prosecutor, judge and executioner all rolled into one.
Copperbelt University used to be very stable those days.As a UNZA student I wished our institution could have been that stable.It’s a sad state of affairs.We can’t be having the same problems every year.A permanent solution needs to be found a.s.a.p.
All our police officers need to go for re-training(I mean from Inspector Gen right down to constable).These people don’t know anything about law enforcement and community service.
Funniest posting on LT “Elo lelo ninseka sana – Ilyashi Mulongoti vs Mpombo . Mulongoti says he is a lawyer and Mpombo says he failed law. And these two were minsiters together ka. Yaba, so Mulongoti wabufi tee, If Mpombo hadn’t resigned, when were we going to know that Mulongoti wabufi tasambilila? They say empty tins make a lot of noise and this explains why Teta and Mulongoti make so much noise. They are empty tins running Zambia. What do you expect ‘bwee bwee bwee’ all the way to the bank. And this reminds me, look at the way Mulongoti walks, as if he is the greatest man on earth. What if he had 100th (1/100) of Obama’s brain, the whole world would sink under his weight but he will never have even 1000 000th (1/1000 000) of Obama’s brain or that of NASA scientist Loveday…
The Policemen are under some command; and the commander of Police is under the Power that appointed him , the head of state clearly knows what he told them to do therefore let not the president not say he doesnt know about the incident
Blame RB for everything. How sad can Africans be?
Even what he hasn`t done nishi mulandu wakwe? Mukafwa mulechula mwebashili babemba!
My concern is that when a woman who has committed a crime is denied bail and gives birth in police custody, there’s uproar to an extent the officer on duty is arrested. Come the shooting of a student who probably was just watching, some people are fine with it. Be reminded that as citizens, everyone has a right to life. Supporting the shooting is in essence supporting the Police State Zambia is turning into. There are a lot of issues at Zambian institutions that have made these students not to take it any more. The theft of a laptop was not the main reason for the riot. Police, like parents, must be able to know when to take such extreme measures. We saw the Sharpville Massacre under apartheid in SA, We saw the Tiananmen Square murders in 1989. We should learn from such incidences.
#37 what do mean ” Mukafwa mulechula mwebashili babemba! ” weather bemba or not bonse tuli chunshi
Ba nshilimubemba bene Gravatar yabo already shows that he’s not Bemba! Lol
Fwe bena Ngandu fwe bene we are proud to belong to the Royal Crocodile Clan.
i wish Police could just kill them all these students are big problem for then next generation there are the future plunders some started rioting since primary to boarding sch now CB unversity
Sadly, we as a people will not learn from such incidences as long as it did not affect me. But be mindful that in the process of doing so, we are either creating a monster out of the police or may be out of the students. But the latter has short life to live as a student and as such, his behavoir will be limited to that period. A policeman who uses the gun to stop a crime or student protest is a danger. We cannot allow our police to be Arresting Officer, Judges, and Excussioners as doing so will mean anarchy and police control of people’s lives. Probably I am wrong, the last time I checked, I was informed that students don’t carry guns to their protests and riots. A trained police officer knows when to use a gun and also how to do crowd dispesal.
missed R on dispersal.
This miserable excuse of a President! He never has a clue whats going on and asks for reports that he never reads.
Arrest RB. The policeman is innocent. He was following orders meant to protect RB and his MMD
Who is the the “Ghost Teacher” at Chipata’s Nyakutwa Primary School, who resigned in 2006, but is still drawing a government salary, whose July 2009 payslip, Lubinda is holding and will soon expose to the media.
#44 Woman of substance, ala bwafya. What is so odd with this story is that this man ha traveled to Uganda, a police state with a dictator as President, and does he travel with, the police commissioner. He says he will find out from the commissioner, how about his Vice President? What was Kunda doing when all these happened? How come the man in-charge as not commented on the shooting? Someone is fooling the nation that they are concerned. He mentions that his stay in Uganda has been spoiled, was he on vacation or on duty? If he is really concerned, he should have packed his bags and travel back to handle or be with nation during this trying time. Since he does not care, he will give you lip service. That’s all you deserve.
# 46, It is Mrs Banda. Your first lady. Don’t you see those donations? They come from her ‘Ghost Job” Zambia, even first ladies are ghost teachers. RB knows that his wife is drawing a salary. Impeach the thug.
# 45 how old are u? u seem have nothing to talk about concerning the issue at hand RB got nothing to do with these USELESS students. Put urself in a situation of an innocent citizen being stoned and beaten by students just coz a cheap old version window 98 laptop went missing.
The bottom line is these student just felt like to set up a riot its common at CB rioting is part of student life
Govt should just close this institution it bring shame to the intellectual
Crocodile tears iwe nyama soya! Bwanji boza iwe kolwe munthu!
Vista
The question of age does not arise but how well we are informed. E.g. Prove to me that following directly committed the cases against them
1. Taylor
2. Bemba
3. Bashire (sp)
For Any act by state security be it fatal or not the top most leader is answerable. In this case RB. The implication is failure to control his security wings. Therefore the command to fire was done in the name of the president UNLESS OTHERWISE proved contrary RB is guilty untill proven innocent. There are no two ways in command
#49…. what do you mean in your saying CBU should be closed? Man know that days are numbered. CBU and UNZA are for the poor people of Zambia who cant afford sending their children to USA, UK , Austraria where these MMD theives send their children. If these poor guys were like MMD thieves , they would not send their children to these two useless unvervisities but they have no option. So , we have just to find a lasting solution to the problems at the two institutions than shooting dully.
Yes i strongly agree with you Maikalange Twamulya (comment # 6) and that is why you find that we have a lot of Zambian Students studying in foreign countries like Namibia.One can enrole at UNZA for a course of duration of 4 years and ends up spending 8 years of the same course due to unnecessary closures of our highest learning institution in our Country because of poor funding in the education sector
Our Father, who art in heaven hallowed be thyName ,
Kwena nimwebo mweba giva, elyo noku geta nimwebo mweba geta.
Mwaliisa tugiva Levy, elyo mwaisa mugeta
Elyo nangu twaleilishanya ati ni kabiki, awe, alitubombela sana
Muluse lwenu mwaisa tugiva Nyamasoya
Yangu! Aweeeee…… mwiikata na ku chani
Iseni bwangu bwangu mu mugete.
Amen
My observation is that Zambian presidents avoid going to Botswana for developmental talks and as an example of the true use of democracy. This is because Zambians might have their eyes awoken to the true and harsh reality of why our country is stagnant. Thus go to Uganda a country with sporadic rebels fighting a lifetime president in this new millenia. As the ruthless Police, remember RB comes from the Kaunda squad. Let not our memories fell us.
#12 Oh I see. No wonder so these are the empty tins that we see blogging.
To you UNIP loving bloggers that are blinded by what Kaunda and his dictatorship( one party) did. Why are women dancing for Rupiah Banda, in a Christian nation our women should be treated like the queens they are not dancing for another man. This one other reason I would not marry a woman that also like s soap operas drinks alcohol, because this is a fact not an opinion they shall indeed make your life miserable in the future.
‘Animal Farm’ style governing
How barbaric!!! Whatever the reasons were for the riot, using live ammo on unarmed group of students is ridiculous—-no matter how unruly it got. In this day and age; don’t cops have other nonlethal means of dealing with riotous students? Incidents like these does not reflect well on ZP and the nation, period!! If students damage property in the process of airing their grievances, it is the duty of the police to isolate, arrest and charge ring leaders in the court law. It is not a licence to harm or shoot to kill—-that’s how CIVILIZED PEOPLE are supposed to do things.
I hope none of you condoning this kind of behaviour by the police have sisters or brothers at these institutions because, next time, it might be yours at the end of that police gun’s barrel!!!
According to the PSOT, Mr UNZASU president Nyirongo said “How does one give out firearms without putting in place a system that can be used to monitor its usage? Even with a bullet cartridge and a bullet that was used to shoot one of the students at UNZA last year in March, police still failed to trace the police officer who fired the gun” and “there was no difference between police and armed robbers” and I want to believe that this behaviour is what has caused Zambia to dropped on the peaceful countries list that was portrayed just some few days ago.
All this behaviour shows Zambia as a Police State instead of a Chrsitan Nation its supposed to be.
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ALA BA FICOLOUR MWA AMBA VA ZO ONA TENZO SOBELAKO CHEBE NIAMWE.LOL
GOVERNMENT has dispatched a six-man delegation to deliver a pregnant Friesian cow to Tanzanian President Jakaya Kikwete. And sources have revealed that the government has spent over K68 million in per diem for 10 days on the six officers that have been sent to deliver the cow to President Kikwete in Tanzania.
The black and white cow which was given to President Kikwete by President Rupiah Banda at the Ndola International Trade Fair early this month was transported to Tanzania by road last Saturday.
According to government sources, each of the six officers led by Copperbelt Provincial veterinary officer Dr Alishenke Mutemwa was given US $220 per night equivalent to K1,148,400 [at K5,220 per US $] as out-of-pocket allowance for 10 days.
The sources said Dr Mutemwa was accompanied by…
The sources said Dr Mutemwa was accompanied by a senior animal and extension officer at the veterinary department in Ndola, Charles Lwanga, two drivers one for the cow and the other for the delegation, an imprest holder and another government official from Cabinet office in Ndola.
The sources said the delegation left in two vehicles one of which was a grey Toyota Hilux registration number GRZ 788 BV and a white Mitsubishi Canter registration number GRZ 332 CA, which was carrying the cow.
When contacted for comment, Coperbelt permanent secretary Villie Lombanya confirmed that government officers had been dispatched to deliver the cow to President Kikwete and justified the US $220 daily per diem.
However, he denied that six officers had been assigned saying only two were on that…
However, he denied that six officers had been assigned saying only two were on that mission and that the rest were from the Tanzanian High Commission.
Asked why the cow was not put on a train through the Tanzania Zambia Railway (TAZARA), Lombanya said the cow was pregnant and that the government did not want it to deliver in transit.
And when asked if each of the officers had been given out-of-pocket allowances of US $220 each for 10 days, Lombanya said he was not privy to the details and that he just facilitated the dispatch of the cow.
“Well, I don’t know those details,” said Lombanya. “What I did was to facilitate. That was done by Cabinet Office in Lusaka. If they have been given US $220 each per day that is normal; that is government’s foreign travel per diem for east…
That was done by Cabinet Office in Lusaka. If they have been given US $220 each per day that is normal; that is government’s foreign travel per diem for east Africa because each region has its own rate and it is provided for in the circular [foreign travel]. That is in order and they have to live anyway; they are on duty.”
Zambian Govt workers are amongst the highly paid in the world in terms of perdiem even though Zambia is amongst the poorest countries in the world. Only God can save us. Zambians need to be informed how much the President gets per night and Zambians need to be analyzing the budget critically so this is where the money goes.
what is RB doing in the picture in front?
vista(#44 & 52). u re not normal! u reason like sh.t. zambia without unza & cbu is a desolate waste.
this is serious,anyone could have got killed!what is happening pa ZED kanshi??
Its unfortunate that a student was shot at and wounded. The students should learn that the police are trained how to control riots. Due to lack of resources to procure things such as water canons, rubber bullets etc and depending on the situation on the ground. The strategy is to cut off the head of the riot by firing live shots at one or two targets to bring it to QUICK END. Was there any need for students to block and make fires on the streets causing uncalled for traffic congestion. The students should exhib good conduct. With that type of behaviour how are they going to be good future leaders. They should learn that when you resort to fire it will be met by fire.
# 69 Yes Zambian workers (GRZ) among the highly paid in the world, this was a cary over from ZCCM/ZIMCO conditions of service but the Govt despite knowing the economic hardships the country is going through has deliberately kept quiet. Even buying of porsh vehicles was not tradition of GRZ, it was Landrovers all over. ZCCM/ZIMCO used to buy porsh cars for their senior staff and expertraites as they were productive and as an incentive to retain them. These uncaring men and women in GRZ have carried on the the hangover. Thats the way we get by.
its not like zambian students like rioting i would say the police have poor planning. now my question is are we safe on campus or do we need to get ourselves bullet proof vests. should we be afraid of the police? aren’t they there to protect us?
RB’s concern on the shotting on our poor student is not absolute.He is not condemning the beating of the students per se, but atleast the police should have used different approach like usage of SHAMBOK. What hypocricy!
nshilimubemba ulichilishi?
nshilimubemba ulichiloshi?
If those in the picture are students then dooooogggggggssssss have cone to university or vice versa
Rioting students who go on rampage stoning innocent motorists and damaging public and private property should be and deserve to be shot dead. Period.
..2 all those justifying the use of live ammo, be realistic, if that was your sibling or relative shot your opinion would be very different. Dont be impartial to the plight of others. There must be more to the story, it is not possible to riot over a lost laptop. Riots are actually well orchestrated, the don’t happen “on the fly”..what ever the situation was, the police had no right to use live ammo..tear gas and a couple of warning shots could have quelled that riot in a second.
Two wrongs never make a right! as a former student of unza, may i apologise for the loss of property, really nothing can justify that. but saying the police should have aimed at the head of an innocent first year student, is just wrong wrong wrong! all students the world over riot over societal injustices, not just unza or cbu but the police never go with live bullets. when you call the cops at night when you are being robbed, they say they have no guns but they produce them with students! if any student is ever killed (and i hope it never happens), i hope its your brother or sister Pabwato Ba’kamba or Tonga steel, then we will see what you will have to say about aiming for the head or b***s…