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PATRIOTIC Front (PF) president Michael Sata is not scared of being taken on legally or otherwise by former president Fredrick Chiluba because he has more damaging information on the former head of State.

Reacting to Dr Chiluba who at the weekend said he had decided to take on the opposition leader politically and legally because of his incessant insults, Mr Sata said that Dr Chiluba would fail because he has more damaging information about him.

But Dr Chiluba maintained he would crush Mr Sata who he claimed had lost popularity including in Northern Province where many members were leaving the PF to rejoin the MMD.

Some of the information about Dr Chiluba, Mr Sata claimed, was only availed to him during his reconciliation meeting with late president Levy Mwanawasa on May 14 2008.

“Chiluba will fail to take me on because Levy Mwanawasa left me enough ammunition when we met on May 14. Levy gave me information, which I did not know about this man and I will not let down the legacy of Levy. I have more damaging information on Chiluba and if he wants to take me on, let him attempt and I will finish him,” Mr Sata said.

He said he had not insulted Dr Chiluba apart from claiming he should state where he got the US$ 8.5 million that was in the Zamtrop account and whether Zambia benefited from the $20 million arms deals.

Mr Sata said it was a known fact that Zambia paid $20 million in the arms deal but still the nation had not benefited from the deal.

“All I am asking from him is to tell us where he got the money and whether the gun deals in which we lost $20 million has benefited Zambia. We paid the money but where are the arms or at least an air gun but there is nothing up to this day. This is not insulting Dr Chiluba,” Mr Sata said.

The PF leader challenged Dr Chiluba who was not rich when the MMD came into power to state where he got the money from.

He said he was ready to show Zambians the sources of his finances and similarly challenged Dr Chiluba to do the same.

Mr Sata said he was not scared of the relationship between Dr Chiluba and the MMD saying the former president had for sometime been looking for an alliance with numerous political parties including the PF.

He said when Dr Chiluba realised he could not control Dr Mwanawasa, he spearheaded the formation of the Party for Unity Development and Development (PUDD) and wanted the party to merge with the PF.[quote]

“I refused and he came and said he wanted to support the PF but he has seen that he cannot achieve what he wants and now he has gone to the MMD but I am ready for him,” Mr Sata said.

Through his spokesperson Emmanuel Mwamba, Dr Chiluba yesterday said he was ready to crush Mr Sata whom he described as a joker.

On the allegations of financial mismanagement, Dr Chiluba said he would not respond to Mr Sata but challenged the opposition leader to state where he got the money from for the campaigns during the 2006 and 2008 elections.

“Let him state where he got the millions of dollars that he used during the 2006 and 2008 election. I challenge him to disclose the source of the funds,” Dr Chiluba said.

He said the charges by Mr Sata were an indication the opposition leader was scared of Dr Chiluba’s alliance with the Government as that meant that his popularity was quickly fading away. –

Dr Chiluba also said that Mr Sata had lost popularity in Northern Province as many from the PF were leaving to rejoin the MMD after the former president threw his support behind President Rupiah Banda.

“Mr Sata has misused his own boat and we are working hard to pull people to the MMD. Many are rolling back to the MMD from his party because of his insults,” Dr Chiluba said.

Dr Chiluba said from now onwards, he would be ready to take on Mr Sata both politically and legally.

[Times of Zambia]

92 COMMENTS

  1. Sata eeeeee, sosa, sosa, icalo cile kumfwa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Could some Zambian legal brains shed light as to whether the high court or the supreme court could come in and break the impasse in the “Chiluba Aquital”.
    Surely, they cannot be that toothless were they see that justice has not been done like in this case.

  2. eh, ba LT, What is this moderation with my posts? Are you a government site in disguise?
    Let the people call a “spade a spade” and not something else.
    This is the problem with US Zambians. Ubututu too much.

  3. Donot behave like the defunct LAZ who wait and wait before giving their legal opinion when it is too late. Spill the beans bwana sata. Why should you keep on sounding warning shots.

  4. Sata has nothing on Chiluba from Levy because in all his night requested meetings,Levy met him in the presence of Michael Mulongoti, Rev.Shikapwasha and Chairman Michael Mabenga with Regis Phiri clearing the way. Instead its MMD that has damaging imbila.In 2006 after taking defeat and ordered his cadres to riot, he sent a message through Rev.Shikapwasha that all he needed was to be helped financially to liquidate his liabilities from SA.Immediately 50% of his request ed please was disbursed, instantly he withdrew his thugs off the streets.Today not even Guy Scott or Lubinda know this but MMD who made him sign for it.He has pushed for the balance but to no avail.Its FJT who knows where the 2006 race Grudas came from including the SA Rands 27,000 confisticated at the Airport.

  5. Here comes King Cobra…..one bite and you are dead.

    But seriously, I am very disappointed with the caliber of leaders this country has to offer . I am simply left to wonder. I think we would are better off under colonial rule. The truth hates but thats the reality. We have failed ourselves.

  6. So Mr Sata will not have any money for the 2011 campaigns? Now i know why he picked GBM, unfortunately GBM is already in debts and his buses are becoming recks. anyway maybe the Post will help.

  7. All this is not necessary. FTJ should quietely enjoy hiz pension and honourable status az former prezident. This issue of who taking on who will not drive the nation forward, instead we’ll remain a laughing stock to the outside World. Besidez, King Cobra and FTJ are elders who should inspire the young.

  8. What the hell is this about Chiluba warning people that he will ‘crush’ them kanshi? Kabolala na samwa buti, don’t know who he thinks he is

  9. Hey ! did kafupi say he will fight back legally or otherwise.? If i were Sata i would stop calling him Chiluba instead call him ka kabwalala to see if he has the nerve to sue for defamation.

  10. Politicians and prostitutes, show me the difference. They all sell something of themselves for pecuniary gain. One sells his principles the other sells her body.

  11. Who needs all this? Please, Lusaka times

    Please if theres a way not to cover this quarrelsome behaviour don’t cover it. Its not only political development which makes a country develop. Please cover some of the work being done by patriotic citizens of Zambia.

    What projects are the Universities doing to develop Zambia. We just a need a president who can support ventures which bring meaningful priorities to the people of Zambia. I look forward to a day when a down to earth presidential candidates will campaign and be protected by the state instead of begging for money from crooks to fund their campaigns and after winning do very little for Zambia.

  12. young people lets be involved not just talking. if these two old people are fighting for power and to pre-empty there dids then dont trust them.

  13. we at least know that Sata was getting money from the Taiwanese so this is not news but we dont know up to now who gave money to the MMD for them to campaign in 1990. should we open this pandora box? oh this young man is dead, baldwin nkumbula and to make matters worse penza and paul tembo are equally gone. so the MMD and chiluba are not clean at all for them to shout the loudest. time will come and soon it will knock on their doors and they will have no option but to answer before their creator

  14. Okey Chiluba tell us where Sata got the monies for the elections..I know you know because obviously you were his advisor in 2006.Bonse babili mulimbushi…how do you start exposing your dirty tricks through the media.Chiluba tell us fast so that we can quickly know about Sata b4 he also comes into power…Lets us wait and see….

  15. Both Chiluba and Sata are not worthy leaders. Ka Chiluba after ruling for 10 years hasn’t learnt a single thing about statemanship. What a quack we had for a leader? Has he ever heard Clinton or Blair fighting an opposition leader after leaving Office? Kwena, this short thug should forfeit his retirement package is he is still active in plotics. He did it against KK, why can’t we do it against him? Does he think he is above the law or is RB too timid to stamp his authority? Zambians rise to the challenge and let us stop these quacks before they wreck our nation beyond repair. Thieves without shame – natola fye mentallity of the worst order. No wonder neither Sata nor Chiluba has a farm. They are not productive but live parasitically!!!

  16. Well said no 34 the realist.

    For Zambians to have even voted for that FJT thug shows there is something wrong with out voting system. It works well for the well informed whites with broadband everywere but fot my brethern back home this voting is a double edged mpanga,. Thives like FJT are able to warm them selves to unsuspecting illinformed countrymen.

  17. Lies,lies and lies. A politician needs the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month, and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn’t happen.
    They are are friends don’t be fooled.

  18. Bloggers please!!! Call Titus Mpundu ‘Alias Chiluba’ by his real name as Titus Mpundu which he never and has never legally changed by deedpol. In other words, the man has an illegal stolen identity for himself which is the actual begining of his problems of thieving before we even start talking about the US $ 500 000.00 and US $ 20 000 000.00. KK asked: “Bushe ba Titus Mpundu nibani??” Titus has never answered the nation and yet BY Mwila knows the truth.

  19. 35 kc, you have hit the nail on the head. Universal adult suffrage is what is wrong in developing countries in Africa and Zed in particular. Qualified franchice should have been an interim system of voting until most of our people were enlightened politically. But our founding fathers. KK included, were selfish and wanted to cling to power through ignorant electorate hence the position where we are where even Titus Mpundu toook advantage of the system. M’membe, Late Lucy Sichone and Hansungule have tried to educate the people but their effort is just a drop in the ocean they say.

  20. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, FELLOW BLOGGERS LET US LEARN TO RESPECT EACH OTHERS OPINIONS WITHOUT THROWING INSULTS TO ONE ANOTHER. YOU HAVE GOT TO RE-ALIGN YOUR LIFE WITHIN THE 21ST CENTURY REALM THROUGH MUTUAL RESPECT AND COLLABORATION. Now coming to the issue at hand, i see no much differences between SATA, CHILUBA and ourselves when i look at the amount of insults used by some Bloggers to describe the two (SATA and CHILUBA). However, what i can say is that there is serious MORAL DECAY and we need behavoural change strategies in order for us to survive as a Nation. I mean a complete and comprehensive overhaul in terms of moral building at all levels. Otherwise, corruption, HIV/AIDS, Theft, Insults etc will kill us all.

  21. 27 Zambia in the sun, well spoken yeaaaaah!!!!!!! But how do we get that president without politics?? Just throw in your towel in the ring as well and become the ideal president Zed needs. Don’t stop LT telling us about the bad ones because they are only exercising their democratic rights. You sound a very promising good president, come on, get in the ring.

  22. Everyone knows sata as a person with untrue statements and if you are his supporter then youre as bad as him.

    Ftj has the right to fight anyone becouse he is still a politician and a member of MMD. I can see someone acting like a red eyed chicken with beans all over it.

  23. 39 and 40, Which Chiluba are you talking abut? Are you talking about Titus Mundu?? If he is the one, call him by his real and add ‘alias chiluba’. The man has a stolen identity and it is about time we should insist on identifying him by addressing him by his correct family birth name. Don’t promote him with his lies please.

  24. I know FTJ is a crook but i cant buy that from sata.FTJ came to be what he was because of mainly sata.there is no any single zambian who has licked FTJ’s funny boots than SATA.sata’s political career seems to be thriving today because of cheap people called zambians who easily forget somebodies character.especially the bembas.their brains are all still in their foetus stage that’s why you turn political demagogues from villains into an instant heroes overnight.the likes of sata and GBM.sata’s hate of chiluba is not out of principal but sour grapes.and you fools pretend not to know and you busy screaming sata sosa ichalo chilekumfwa.ass holes maybe ichalo chafipuba.

  25. RB has really disappointed so many on Chiluba’s issue. Watch the space, Chiluba will come back as Minister of something. They are now becoming very close, something that couldnt have happened if Levy was still alive. Chiluba aleangalila ukutali when Levy was alive because he didnt allow nonsense to prevail. Anyway wether Sata spills the beans or not the MMD under RB just needs a face lift.

  26. When two elephants fight, the grass suffers. Ine awe I wont join them. These might be the last kicks of dieing horses kaleza! God will judge them.

  27. This is very disappointing coming from FTJ, I wonder what has happened with his heart problem. He suddenly was acquitted and now he is fit to start fights with once his best friend. I think these people have personal problems relating from somewhere. I think it only right for King Cobra to ask about where the money that FTJ claim to be his in the Zamtroop account and the arms deal. This is every Zambian concern because it the Taxpayers money which was used to in that deal and nothing came out of it and if anyone asks, it surely do not need to be taken as an insult. FTJ knows quite well that only the MMD govt can tolerate that nonsense and the rest of the opposition will will definately ask him to account for all that once they are in power and hence his desire to fight King Cobra.

  28. These two muppets (Chiluba and Sata) should stop wasting our time. Why did they not spill the beans and crush each other during their infamous 10 years reign? Is not this Sata who unleashed violence on those opposing Chiluba’s third term. Is it not Chiluba who supported Sata and made him 3rd most powerful person in the country. Please!!!

  29. I hope Sata really does shut up that little bubbly thief with a hundred names Kafupi, Jacob Titus, Mpundu, Kabolala, Chintomfwa, Wazabanga, Kadoli, Chluba. King Cobra, do your thing.

  30. Behaving like Somali pirates after the loot.

    Let them continue fighting in public so we can learn something. I wonder how the PACT will benefit from all this. Wish HH well, blame his lack of judgement for joining with Sata.

    This Sata/FTJ exchange is a good way of making sure that Sata does not become our president. Hopefully some other more credible people will arise from teh shadows.

  31. Go ahead and tell us the dirty you bad leaders! What morals are showing to the young generations? Is it becoz your children Castro and Chilufya are dead you ka Chiluba and Chi Sata respectively? Talk something that dipicts your ages. Politicals immoralities at play by very old dudes

  32. At least Sata’s is one of the few thats put his “BALLZ” of the chopping board fighting these thugs+FTJ, on OUR gutless, docile BEHALF and behalf of our future generations he wont be part of. Uncouth he may be, but only he + Post have managed to keep MMD on its toes for many years now and call them out.

  33. Sata keep the fighting. you are the people’s #1 COMMANDO spotting a maroon beret straight from MUSHILI… leka ba kutembe bigge. leka bese bonse ba mambala nga balefwaya. im behind we mufyashi. your fight will help us get to Oct 12011 faster with all these MMD atricities still fresh in our minds. Zambians are known to forget easily.. Hopefully HH will lead the Pact and will carry the day..

  34. and then we’ll sort oout the chaps… RB- Shikapwasha-mulongoti-Judge chinyama-Kunda-FTJ-Kaande.. aquittal we shall reverse..

  35. KAFUPI IS HIGHLY NONSENSICAL,THE BEST THING HE SHOULD HAVE DONE WAS TO SHUTUP. WHO DOESN’T KNOW THAT HE SHARED THE TAX PAYERS MONEY WITH HIS CONGOLESE CONMAN THRU THE ARMS DEAL. YET THE POOR SOLD!ERS HAVE OBSOLETE EQUIPMENT. LOCK THIS THIEF AND THROW AWAY THE KEYS FI OBANDA. KING CO SPEAK OUT!!!!!!!

  36. Sata i thought chiluba was your pal,whats cuting now, you eat the same plate,shared everything.OH what a minute i know the root cause of the problem(SOMEONE REFUSED WIFE SWAP) ILI BADD

  37. this is indeed not a good sign of our country where politics of witch hunting has become to norm instead of intellectual debate and tackling issues that bring development to the Nation. This is unfortunate. Please you politicians know that Zambia will not develop by argumentations that all not constructive at all. We need to look for people who have the heart for the poor people in rural areas and the townships of Mutendere, Kalingalinga, Lilanda etc.

  38. Something is wrong with our electoral system which allows low calibre people like these to become presidents of Zambia. It’s a shame.

  39. Iwe sata wila laka nakapuba, naiwe wine walamoneka akapuba. Chiluba is a political wreck, trying to survive. He is a chameleon who tried to support you in 2006 the time he thought you were going to win the elections. Now that he is in love with RB, it must not surprise you.

  40. The only people that can chage the situation are the young people of today who have had exposure and they know the world we are living in. The guys like Chiluba, Sata, RB, Miyanda, Hikahinde etc all these bunch of people will not take us anywhere . We new barak obamas in our country and no body said that only the 1960 politicians are the one to rule this time. we need people today who can change the country. We had the Moses and the Josua but now we need new young people to lead the country. Zambians must wake up infact not Zambia but Africa.

  41. IAM MAULESS . . . .THIS IS THE CHAP WHO WAS I THE FOR FRONT OF WANTING FTJ TO GO FOR A 3RD TERM…… HE WAS DRIBBLED NO WONDER HE IS BITTER!!!! HE WANTED 3RD TERM FOR FTJ AT THE SAME TIME HE WANTED TO BE HE…!!!!A SNAKE WILL ALWAYS REMAIN A NJOKA

  42. 2011 elections will be a disaster again and if Zambians are not wise will fall into the same trap again. Let me tell you what is happenning now. Some of you people are blind and you need spiritual eyes. I have had an ipportunity to know how the world operates.. this I mean the whole world. whether it is America, UK etc, there is a set of people that rule the world. But we can also manipulate them if we are able to do certain things. Look at Botswana, Ghana, Namibia, South Africa, Egypt etc. Though Zambia has no oil or Diamonds like the other countries there is a way to manipulate them. These are the same people who allow bad leaders to be elected and they also country the opposition. Now if we are ahead of them our country can jump from the rank wher eit is today to another.

  43. When you have eyes to see, then you can see but if you don’t have Am sorry you will never see. To see you don’t need to have specs or high education. the education you need you can get it but not to help you to enrich your country. let me tell you now what will happen the events that will follow… First, Sata will not be allowed to rule until he has met certain conditions … one he must accept the fatherhood of KK, Chiluba etc. Today Sata is acknowledging LPM but this is too late and it is diconnect. LPM accepted KK but not chiluba the reason was that Chiluba never recgonized KK. For RB to win the elections its because he is a KK boy and he managed to bridge Chiluba and KK. He has a big force behind him which is difficult to break. HH has no chance because he is not even close to the…

  44. there will be divisions in PF. HH has put himself in trouble by forming the pact but this is not a mistake but an arrangement undergorund. This will strengthen the MMD and since they have the backing of the two strongholds, they will confude the people and during confusion thats when democracy is seen to flourish. People wil change their minds against RB and he will look like he is the only candidate they will have. The others will look like they are confused without direction but this will be deliberate. I am sorry to tell everone this information because this is previledged information which you are not supposed to know. You will remember this as we approach 2011. Sata’s health will also start failing and people willbe saying why should have a sick president. HH ‘s name will be too…

  45. In the lead up to the 2006 Elections, I remember Sata publicly proclaiming that he would stop all the cases against Chiluba because he was inocent, sudenly, Chiluba is equal to the devil himself! I have never liked Ka Chiluba, but I think Sata is a hopeless opportunist who has no principles, anything that is popular for him goes. remember how he embranced the chinesse guys because they ‘were doing a good job on the roads’? Good lucky to you PF cadres

  46. This fool is talking of what he shared with a dead man – LPM . But it is the same LPM who said he could not continue the $20mili arms gate scandal for SECURITY reasons and chi sata said nothing…..why now ! what has changed in terms of those security reasons.sata knows everything and should tell us how he will continue this LPM legacy…pa zed mafotini ba chilamo mwe

  47. Atase abakulu banyanya aba! Unfortunately the only crop of young leaders we hv pa zed are the likes of good for nothing Siulapwa. Whose only preoccupatn is holding press briefings and tok nonsense..Zambia twasebana. Genuine and patriotic young people lets wake up from our slumber. Ichalo caonaika na bakalamba babula amano…Mawe mawe!!

  48. Can someone do Chiluba a favour\by offloading all our comments into his email box. Let the thug know what people think about him. May be and I say may be he will be able to shut his short beek. The short thug has no remorse and is such a shameless charlatan who has no respect for his kids either. How does he think his children will live in Zambia? The thug is so annoyng that if I was to meet him in person, I do not think I would hold it but may end up landing one on his ugly face. May be am too emotional but I think I would take it personal to inflict something on this thug honestly.

  49. #71 Sam. Let me say things will definitely change in Zambia people will get fed up with the current happenings and will move and change things. I expect a new cropt of leaders that will emmerge and unlock the wwealth of Zambia and bring development to the country…the time is ticking and approaching that time.

  50. if on polling day.you enter a polling booth and on a ballot paper there are two contenders A FROG and SATA.if you vote for SATA then you need an emergency mental examination.

  51. Akapondo you are insane mate, Sata teshilu nangula alalwala chipumputu. Why of the sudden Sata changed to disannounce Chiluba? Chiluba will do anything to protect himself. He one of the most corrupt and dangerous man ever held the highest office of this Land. Sata was given the full information about the corrupt acts Chiluba did which he never knew despite being close to Chiluba that why he told Chiluba to tell the nation about what really happened when he was the president or pay back the money. That was when Chiluba started causing confusing in PF by trying to form another political party within PF with rebel MPs led by Machungwa.

  52. PAFWENAMWINE,
    Ulepafwena bwino.so you buy that cheap talk from sata and stomach it.no wonder you are a cheap asshole.do you believe sata can be in the system without knowing things going on.in THE POST’s first publication.the main article was the coppergate scandal. On how copper was being stolen in the kaunda govt.who was the main source of imformation? He is a desperate man who even peddles lies to gain extra political mileage and he has no shame.remember sindamisale.so to educate you a bit levy takwete ichibeleshi.there is nothing that he told sata about chiluba.it’s all about hoodwinking fools like you. If chiluba did anything it had sata’s blessings because he was the chief henchman.

  53. Im so interested in the leadership sata ll give,I think its high time we stop insulting but focus on the development of our nation at large.Lets not throw insults but provide a plateform for development & progress for our nation.Imagine wat the world would think of us if we encourage insults instead of higliting issues that ll help us think forward!!

  54. # 16 You must be mad, let him enjoy his pension.. do you honestly think that we can believe that FTJ amassed so much wealth between 1991 and 2006 on a public servants salary!!!!! the problem with YOU unpatriotic Zambians is that you do not swallow criticism, let alone demand accountability from those you have employed and entrusted the governance of our country… FOR the RECORD FTJ was and RB is an employee of the people and as such like any employee we expect them to discharge their duties with integrity and honesty. Let Chiluba prove were he got his wealth and if his wealth was legally obtained can he prove that he has paid tax on that wealth are there records from ZRA to PROVE this???? or should tax evasion be added to the many evils that this man has committed. cont…..

  55. cont #87
    the $20m arms money could have easily covered a low cost housing initiative or a modernize our hospitals and clinics.. in the name of transparency can the ministry of defense give us an account of what they bought with this money, where the tender procedures followed, who made the bids for the supply of the said weapons??? or was this some bush deal made with one Moses Katumbi??? so please spare us your cowardice and stop hiding behind patriotism we the patriot Zambians demand transparency and accountability….. TOTAL DISGUSTED.

  56. CAN CHILUBA AND SATA TELL US WHAT THEY KNOW ABOUT EACH SO THAT PEOPLE IN THE NATION CAN NO LONGER BE FOOLED.

  57. Kafupi just enjoy the bi*ch the story shameless lady called Regina whom you pinched from Mr. Mwanza, ala. Why have u suddenly come out when Levy has died. Did you have a cold hand in his demise???

    Ala, the Mwanawasa family should investigate this issue. Kafupi overrates self. He thinks he is a great little devil. Well he is one, a small little frightened devil.

  58. Koma ba Digga you are very dull, so you blog with that degree of ignorance. Am sorry you dont belong to this site. The law sets precedence and that whatever the courts have done no one can undo, it simply becomes law. SATA and chiluba belong in the past and not the future which belongs to HH and the UPND, watch their pace. They have a force to reckon with in our political dispensation.

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