Government position on homosexuality not satisfying-Nevers Mumba
Dr Nevers Mumba
Opposition Movement for Multiparty Democracy (MMD) presidential aspirant Nevers Mumba has said that Government’s position on the issue of homosexuality is not satisfying.
Dr. Mumba said that the position given by Chief Government Spokesperson Fackson Shamenda that the laws of the land do not support homosexuality, is not sufficient enough.
He said that what the nation wants is for Republican President Michael Sata to openly state his position on the matter like some of his fellow African leaders have done.
Addressing a media briefing in Lusaka this morning, Dr. Mumba said that it is important that President Sata openly states his position because prior to the elections, he is on record while giving an interview to the Danish media saying that Zambian laws recognize homosexuality.
Dr. Mumba has since advised President Sata not to be afraid to tell the nation what he believes in.
And Dr. Mumba has challenged President Sata to either restore the Barotseland agreement or apologize to the people of western province who he had promised to restore the agreement once voted into power.
He said that if the president fails to publicly apologize, then the tag of liar will haunt him and his presidency.
Meanwhile, the MMD presidential aspirant has said that the opposition is deeply saddened by the president’s failure to provide policy answers to questions asked by opponents and citizens on issues of national concern.
Dr. Mumba said that it is unfortunate that the president instead responds by calling on the police to investigate opponents on tramped-up charges.
He said that for the sake of the country’s security and prosperity, he is ready to differ with President Sata on principle but not on personality.
[QFM]
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Now this chap is becoming a nonsense, Shamenda spoke on behalf of the govt what is so difficulty to understand. Can it only make sense when it comes from the head of state’s mouth. Shamenda is the mouth piece for the government and what he said is the position of the entire Zambian govt. Please let us forge ahead and forget about this issue. Nobody has come out in the open that they will support gay rights in Zambia. Most legislators have condemned it and that is clear enough that the issue is a non starter in Zambia. Mr Mumba please save us the time and energy!
……he is on record while giving an interview to the Danish media saying that Zambian laws recognize homosexuality.
Iwe do not be so dull, does it mean that when one says that Zambian laws recognize death penalty, then that makes it a right. Please this is just a simple term to understand. Yes the Zambian laws recognize homosexual as a forbidden element in Zambia period!
Iwe Sangwapo tauli apatali netipo. Watch your back God is not a ****.
Ba Nevers Mumba just shut up. You want to argue about something that is clearly stated in the laws of Zambia. Homosexuality is not legal in Zambia, end of story!!!
Ba Nevers not always does the head of state has to give a speech, whats the government spokes person for?? if you have heard of a word called delegation you surely would not have said that..We know mugabe said it himself it does not mean sata should follow suite. the important thing is we know there stand on this issue
“……he is on record while giving an interview to the Danish media saying that Zambian laws recognize homosexuality.”
Let him Sata come clean. Is this another U-Turn by Sata?
When Sata speaks you complain to say he is no longer in opposition but father of the Nation. When he keeps quite you start nagging him. Pastor, remember you are a man of God. Be carefull with politics of hate. God is watching you. Leave Sata alone. His minister has stated the position of the government. Is Sata the government for you to demand his Voice. May God bless You
Becoz Sata doesn’t know how to talk
The dog is at it again
If Nevers is a dog, what are ……………?
wait for your cases to come up and it will be time for you to provide answers
Ba Nevers, stop making unnecessary observations, Go back to church and ask for God’s forgiveness of using the Church to become popular for Political Reasons! Let the president Be! Don’t talk on behalf of Homoz and pipo from Western Province, Or maybe there is something you want to tell us?Are you a Homo to be so concerned?LOL
MUMBA AND HIS LOUD MOUTH AGAIN SORRY MAN WE ARE TOO BUSY TO LISTEN TO YOUR NOISE.
Nevers, its your time now, these kabovas are jittery. They will only rule for one term. Its your time now. Gang up with Chipimo, Milupi and HH
But why can’t the president state his stance as the president. It is a simple statement. You can’t tell me he is too busy, cause there is nothing to back that.
“Zambia will not recognize homosexuals”. 5 simple words, and that’s all.
Look at this midget, he thinks he is Mr. Squeaky Clean, sooner the cuff him for misappropriation of funds the better, let him fight his corner.
The Pastor has a point, prior the September elections Mr Sata was quoted to have said the Zambian constitution allows homosexuality.Now, Mr Shamenda is more or less saying the same thing. We want “NO” or “YES” period.
Kikwete of Tanzania, Mugabe of Zimbabwe have openly stated their stand.
go read the law to find the answer. Donch kubeba
:-w The president has spoken through his spokes person period
You wanted the whole our entire president to to be answering from you fake pastor, Shamenda, explained everything, walikoma amatwi? the President is busy to with very important matters, than you you just continue to bark everynow and then. Mumba the law will also visit you for failing to account the money, you stole from Canada, you not clean.
Dr Mumba is right – the only Government now is President Sata. Why have all the ministers gone silent – its because they know the H.E MCS is the real government. Let President Sata tell us. What happened to Nkandu Luo – she made a decision to remove carders only for the President to reverse it. Thumbs up Dr Mumba – you are the man we need – only accusations unlike others who have children spread all over the country
The President in waiting has spoken. That is the wisdom we want to hear not the trash we are fed on everyday by the Kaponyaz. Mr. Sata is on record has having defended the gay rights in Zambia therefore he can not be represented on this topic. Mr. Shamenda said what every Zambian knows, but is that his bosses position? This is a very sensitive matter which only requires the President himself to clarify his position. Maybe he is waiting to call on a commission of inquiry on the matter, since that has been the way he has handled all serious issues. We need Presidential guidance on this matter, we don`t want him to come and exonerate himself in future. We know PF has already chewed the money from these people and they are now impatiently waiting to practice their evil acts.
whats wrong with Nevers the goverment representative has told the nation dog false a donkey to drink water
Its important to know Jesus before you met a Christian!
We the people are the govt. Wether Mr President speaks out or not, the issue is in our hands. wether he support it or not, we have the final say. As far as I m concerned Mr Shamenda has given a position from the President. He has to consult the President and the Cabinet before he speaks as govt spokes person. Period
this man is trying to gain political mileage, people should learn to keep quiet when they have nothing to say! siliya use to talk on behave of ruphia, whats the problem with shamenda representing sata?
This time I agree with Nervas.
You must be Queer as a three dollar bill.
It is unfortunate some opptunistic politicians are using this gay issue for political gain. There is nothing anyone can do about gays! We found them there and we will leave them doing their thing. It is cheap politics to use hate and fear to promote your agenda. People want to hear what you will do for them if you are elected. Stop promoting hate and divsion Mr Fake Pastor
Only an ***** will agree with Nevers full stop….
Do not worry Ba Godeh. Check out the reply I gave him.
Ba Bishop Dokota ba bufi naimwe!!!! What cannot be satisfying to the nation? We are not all as dull as yourself not to see that Mr Sata’s opinion cannot be above the law of the land. Shamenda could quote the opinion of the President. The President is not the law.
Cheap politics ba dokota Never-never Mumba. Mwafakapula.
Ba-mumba you have started again, Shamenda is the government spokes person he is capable of informing the nation on matters of such magnitude. Leave PF alone so that they can concentrate on serious matters.T he government has a lot to do. We know you are not trustworthy, you will make sure mmd crumbles thats your attitude monkey, bush boy. shut up.
Why are the Gays & Barotse not fight for themselves? Can’t they parade in bras, why are they scared? And don’t force us who enjoy pu..s..sy be dragged to discuss shit.
Nevers really..! wrong time man,hey we are busy so find somewhere else u can be making ur noise from,Nevers and Sata u are on different levels,by the way u have the right to yap… the constitution does not allow so wat else do u want..? Mutati will win as party presido if u continue with this nosense…hey almost forgot…Have u been cleared by the courts..?
Nevers is right. We have not forgotten Sata’s position on homosexuality during his campaign to plot one. Ba muchinga is on record of changing goal posts . Who can trust the cobra any more. He says things he does not mean. We are still worried about homo sexuality coming uner Force Police Rule/ PF rule
In October 2010, Former Botswana president Festus Mogae who is the chairperson of the Champions for an HIV-Free Generation came to Zambia with a powerful high powered delegation of African elders and raised the issue of Gay rights.
RB told him to his face that this issue was a no no ..did not wait for a spokesperson or days if not weeks to pass to state his position.
Why did President Sata, as the supreme defender of the constitution not tell that Ban Ki Moon to his face, the way RB told Festus Mogae. This issue could have been put to bed long time ago.
And Shamenda shows days later and trivializes the issue as if his government deals with any serous issues, apart from threatening people and shuffling cabinet and re-aligning who knows.
Game on
So what is your point, only slow pathetic thinkers like you and Nevers want to duel on the same issues over and over. Besides the working culture of MCS and that of RB are totally different. That is not an excuse to try to force MCS to say something! Just enjoy being in the opposition and criticize intellectually! Tamwaleka ubututu? Chief govt spokesperson has spoken what else do you want bakabolala imwe kanshi?
MA-MA-MA-A-A-A-A-A, you have started again for sure you are useless to the Zambian people for these wrong things you are talking about. We know that you have been involved in so many bad things you are a shepherd without a flock. Help us GOD so that mumbwa-mumbwa can behave like a normal person trivial issues like this one.Stop it man.
Why didn’t Dr Mumba openly state to the nation how he misappropriated the funds at the Canadian embassy in the first place.If you an open person be open even to matters which involves you as well not just being aggressive on other people’s issues to me that’s how a good leader must be.Gay or no gay the bottom line is we practice Christian morals in the nation of Zambia.
Not important Sir, I would be glad if people would pressure the Government to create employment for the youth and make tertiary education affordable and not this homosexuality.
Are gay rights going to keep our youth off the street or put food on the table in many homes? Pastor this is not important for the masses. Bring ideas that will make our people get out of poverty and bring development.
i don’t like Mumba but i agree with him that government’s position on homosexuality is not clear.
Come on guys, the Constitution of the Republic of Zambia is supreme. Sata’s personal statement means as much or as less as you would like it to mean.
Get productive. It is enough for the Government to uphold our Constitution’s tenets.
Eweee, PF has dealt with so many serious issues what are you talking about? Mongu riot commission of inquiry set and results seen by many people. This issue in Mongu should not be trivialized come on a lot will be done wait and see what will go on.
AND can someone please advise Mumba properly. Whoever told him that he was missing an opportunity of publicity by not saying anything has misguided him.
Mumba has stated the truth.The truth of the matter is that the response from Shamenda was not assuring.PF remains pro-HOMO.Its just that the public noticed it coming and immediately denounced it.And the main if not only reason Moon visited Zambia was to imposse HOMO culture on Zambia
I wouldnt like to be Sata right now, damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t
ladies and gentlemen are you telling me that the country has nothing better to debate on than homosexuality.
? Homo sexuality does nothing to our economy, its not even a pandermic in Zambia. I wonder what ratio is there of homosexuals to justify even debating them. Zambia has so many thorny issues that affect daily bread yet we are just bent on Homo sexuallity. Even Ban Ki Moon spoke of various issues but every one just heard him talk about sex
What do want them to say? When they speak like kambwili, you condemn! if they dont say anything you bark like rubbid dogs! There`s diplomatic etiqutte involved here. it is not just like vuvuzela baficala! Nevers is a down right empty tin! Too much noise!
What truth do you want? You want the government to strip for you to believe? Noone has touched the relevant law. No plans to touch the law. Statement has been issued. What is the problem? People are frantic. I think the people fanning this debate are the gays, they want to know where they stand. Shut-up already.
Ba Mumba naimwe whatever Sata’s take or thinking about the matter doesn’t matter. It all comes down to the rule of law. But then again people will do or say anything to be in the news
I think Bembas on this blog are the most unfortunate thing to ever happen to Zambia. Had it been HH uttering these words, insults would have been flying all over now since it is some fellow desparate monkey hunter, words are chosen carefully. Watch out oneday you will give an account to God for every word you utter. You insult a man you have never even physically seen to the extent of insulting his parents, god have mercy.
Is God happy with you for calling Bembas monkeys? Sure?
You are spot on, i agree with you observation 100%
What is your point when you are also insulting the Bembas on the blog? Have you met them and how do you know they are Bembas? Do you think only Bembas oppose HH? Wake up and come to reality. Try to be different then we can believe you!
USELESS PASTOR THE MAN WHO TRIED TO CON GOD, BUT GOD EXPOSED HIS FOOLISHNESS.
Mumba chongo iwe. Homosexuality is covered by the laws of Zambia therefore the existence of homosexuality “IS RECOGNISED”. How can you have a law about something that is not recognised? Do you even understand what “recognise” means you crooked con artist preacher
Every time this man opens his mouth, something smells bad. Any **** can appear to make mileage on a non-issue like homosexuality. What genuine people with real concerns are talking about are development issues not this crap
Let’s be objective people. Why do you want to always call names. Nevers has a right like everyone else to express his views and the media quote him and not you and I because he is a news maker and you and I are not. b) Sata said homosexuality was recognized by Zambian law, what did he mean? 2) And, yes, Sata promised people of western province that he would restore the Barotseland agreement…campaign lies? He should clear himself. And if he chooses to use mandevu to speak for him, he should tell mandevu exactly what to say as mandevu is a ‘one-wire’. It is healthy for the opposition to put checks and balances in place otherwise Zambia will be a one-party rule back to the party and its govt…I urge my fellow Zambians to be more objective. Viva opposition! Abash fear for opposition!
even when voting, people knew that they were voting for a liar. it’s nothing knew.
ba mumba we are behind you
Nevers Mumba is right when he says that Presidents such as Bingu wa wamutarika, museveni, and Mugabe have spoken openly on homosexuality without hiding under the cover of a government spokesman. The PF backed by mmembe led an electoral campaign full of lies which they have failed to fulfil. People of western province were promised independence but what we are seeing now is districts being taken away from them. President Sata has instead secretly funded and unleashed winter kabimba to insult those commissioners who agree with the cause of western province. President Sata must stop demeaning his office by trying to put wool over people’s eyes.
Pastor Mumba people of Western province did not VOTE for PF and Sata, they voted for RB and HH statistics are there. why should you claim that the Westerners voted for Sata? No True.
About the Government I thought Shamenda speaks on behalf of the government. Correct me if I am wrong.
Let us not surpress democracy. Everyone has a right to be heard…and those in government are not our masters but our servants. As the politicians in government do not report to any board, we, the citizens, are the ones who give them feedback…the worst we could do at any given time is to leave those in govt unchecked. The President needs time to speak to the nation about this….and I believe he will…he has a duty to adress the nation on this very important issue. And if you think this issue is immaterial, think again!
just join alshabaab UP and DOWN Party (UPND) for that stinking tonga tribalist hh2046
You people why do we like degrading ourselves, if we the masses say “NO TO GAY RIGHTS”who is Sata,Shamenda,Mumba or HH?we are the government.Thats why u never find BaMuntu being arrested for nothing.
this is so true..Nevers..I agree with you..they are not being sincere..this time around their president is scared coz his friends the gays are not happy..hahaha..we know them….!let him deny it like his colleagues have done..
NEVERS MUMBA AT IT AGAIN, THIS BOY WILL NEVER LISTERN..UYU MWANA SANMVELA, WAT DO U WANT TO HEAR, SHAMENDA SAID THAT GOVT WILL NOT CHANGE LEGISLATION ON HOMOSEXUALITY, WAPENA SHANI KANSHI MUNE SHI SEKWILA
It is shocking,I thought the government spoksperson is their to speak on behalf of government! What does Nevers Mumba want to tell us? I am sure he wants to accuse the president that he is gay! Shame on you fake Pastor.Speak issues like Chipimo and Milupi!!! Help the Sata to govern properly not the nonsense you are speaking!
Those who claim to be educated never cease to amaze me,how can someone jst wait to hear even a useless issue frm plot one.Thats why he is a big man he can not rush to respond to such issues unlike our past president.Come to Copperbelt and ask abt BaMuntu they give proper dosage.
Sata does not know what to do. That is all.
Zambian people are very funny,provinces which voted for PF are quite and waiting patiently but those which never voted for PF are the ones complaining bitterly, what is you problem?Even if u were promised whatever u were promised the question is HOW MANY VOTES DID YOU GIVE THE PF?be realistic come on.
Now Nervious wants to politicise the issue
Wow, so many homophobes, so little education. You people make me sick.
It’s not about education. It is going by what is right in the sight of God. Zambia is a Christian nation.
It is not, as you charge, homophobia, and you don’t know all the people here to conclude an insufficient education; and it is not only religion that we are falling back on, but human nature itself tell us that homosexuality is not right, but wrong.
It is like going to the toilet to defecate using one’s mouth, rather than the anus, or using our heads to walk, and thinking with out feet.
Ban Ki Moon knows that currently the Zambian constitution gay rights are not recognised and I believe in his talk he was saying that these inhuman behaviours should be recognised. That is why the president or spoke’s personals should stand up talk and say there is no way these so called rights will NEVER be recognised in Zambia. It would really carry alot of weight when the head of state comes out in the open and declare: Zambia will never recognise or legalise gay rights. Fullstop.
Sata does not make laws…even he like gay people the issue will have to go to parliament….and that where laws are made…why are you people so dull?
KEEP IT UP NEVERS. WE NEED CLEAR ANSWERS. THE FLIPFLOP GOVERNMENT MIGHT JUST FLIPFLOP ON THIS MATTER WHILST WE ARE SLEEPING!!!!!!
People in WP did not vote for sata….have they forgotten their Tribalism….they voted for RB because he was in power and gave them the bribes and HH because of the reason stated above….
Yaba! “……he is on record while giving an interview to the Danish media saying that Zambian laws recognize homosexuality.”
It seems Sata was making all kinds of promises just to win an election.
I have 3 questions for DR Mumba.
1. what is the role of govts spoks person? 2. what is the benefit of the whole Homosexualitity topic? 3. Had Shamenda said govt is in fevor of homosexuality, wud Nevers still want Sata to clarify?
How does Nevers Sekwila Mumba know that the Government position on homosexuality is not satisfying? Did the government pummel him doggy style and he was disatisfied or what? Well, now we know ka Sekwila is a homosexual.
The President MCS must state his position like Mugabe,Kikwete and Museveni.Shamenda was not convincing! Guys u shud debate on principle and not personality. Sata is a catholic and Catholics allow homosexuality. It will b sad for some of u wake up not knowing what has hit the nation
i think mumba has a point though i do not like him,remember the pf government is in the habit of issuing contrasting statements e.g salary increaments for health workers and the printing of fake note just to mention but a few.its just important that sata gives his stance on the issue.its true sata was reportedly supporting gay rights whilst in opposition so it may be true he want it to be part of the law.anyway we have to wait and see the draft constitution before we jump to conclusions but let sata tell the nation his thinking on the issue unlike to avoid unnecessary speculations.
Even in the household set up,when the wife or children say anything,people will always ask,what is the opinion of the husband or father.So to be told by Shamenda on very pertinent issue like this one is nonsence.Sata and M’membe have passion for homosexuals thats why they are mute on this issue.
u nad me know that ifya bu gay fyacipuba. and thats wat someone wats us to be yaping about. iyi ni family control programe engineered for the blacks because so many blacks are a threat to the whites. believe it or not a white ***** would be so happy without black. lwenu. nalanda. empopelele
Only foolish people can agree with this fake Padre. Beware of prophets of doom.
zambia is alreday tolerant towards Homos. There are many Homos living openly. What is wrong with sata telling this to the west so they give us more assistance ? There is no need to be nutcases and not tell it as it is, homosexuality in Zambia is live and kicking.
#71, are you still leaving in the past, and doesn’t the humanity of the wife matter? Why should people not take the word of the wife as the position of the family?
I am disappointed in your example.
#33, If government position is not clear, what about the Zambian Constitution, is or is it not clear? Are we going back to oral tradition of knowledge and information dissemination and preservation, does a written record not matter? If it doesn’t matter, why are we continuing to spend billions of Kwacha on writing another Constitution, no doubt, as demanded by many people, including those demanding that Sata says something orally?
It passes my understanding how we can so easily and clearly contradict ourselves, or is this matter not being discussed intelligently, as we have chosen the emotional route?
Is it not enough to uphold the Constitution of Zambia over this and all matters in this country?
It is not, as someone has charged, homophobia, and the person does not know all the people here to conclude an insufficient education; furthermore, it is not only religion that we are falling back on, but human nature itself tell us that homosexuality is not right, but wrong.
It is like going to the toilet to defecate using one’s mouth, rather than the anus, or using our heads to walk, and thinking with out feet.
He who has eyes, let him/her listen to what the lord is saying, he is the only man of god left standing, amen every one listen to this man and respect the man of god at all times.
I just love this man coz he is presidential material.
Viva next presido.
I don’t agree with Mumba for i know he is politicking. But he has THE RIGHT DO SO!! No one should stop him.
The question is ‘What does the law say on homosexuality?’ It is not what Sata will say. Sata will simply state what the law says! Sata is not the law!
Why does Nevers Mumba want The King to bend over? What does he want behind him? Leave him alone!!
what is the commotion all about. Whether laws allow /or not; homosexuality is in every society Openly in some and behind closed doors in societies where its deemed criminal.
Zambia has more pressing issues such as poverty and disease to worry about homosexuality.
Homosexuals are human beings too and just want to live on this planet like anyone else…..as a christian nation we should be more tolerant; and leave judgement to GOD….
False prophet
Beware of Satan, he is a father of all lies. He is a tongue-twister. When he keeps quiet, just know that he does not agree with you. Right now, he is just assessing the situation. He wants the debate to be exhausted then he will issue his statement. He will obviously sound like he is neutral but in matters like this one, you can`t be neutral. You either in support of gays right or against. I don`t even know what Zambians are waiting for because he has already made his position known. Only a **** can trust a liar.
Zambians ask yourselves, the information Shamende provided was it an answer to a pressing journalist question or was it released in a press statement on behalf of the President. The answer is it was a response to a journalist, other online news outlets state that Mr Shamende responded angrily.
Dr Mumba is very right to ask this question and Zambians should stay alert and vigilant especially that the constitution has been postponed. To ensure checks and balances can the constitution seatings be live on camera TV and radio, the constitution is for Zambians and is being funded by Zambian tax payers, surely Zambians should be a part of what is documented. Can also the updated draft constitutions be posted online after every sitting.
Zambians should not be caught unawares by abominations being sneaked in the constitution, Zambians need to be prayerful, alert and vigilant, we only have one Zambia and we should not allow any politician or outside individuals to mess with our land. God bless Zambian and every Zambian.
Good morning
The statement from the Government Spokesperson was very clear on this matter, so what more is there to be said? Even if the president keeps silent about it, what matters is that the constitution of Zambia does not recognise homosexuality and the president has no choice but to uphold the constitution and defend it as he pledged to do so per oath when he was sworn in.
There’s no need to politicize the matter or use it to fight any power struggles with the opposition. The most important thing is that the majority of Zambians, from the Churches to the schools and the common man on the street all say NO and refuse to recognise homosexuality. A society is made up of people and what the people have rejected cannot stand. Period!
Broadcasting constitution seatings live will also ensure that Zambians monitor the costs related to the constitution whether they are justified or not.God bless Zambian and every Zambian.
Question On Govt’s Stance Over Gay Rights Angers SATA’s Minister Shamenda
INFORMATION Minister Fackson Shamenda Thursday 3/2 morning reacted emotionally after a journalist asked what government’s position was on the gay rights being advocated for the United Nations.
Meanwhile, the government has finally given its position on the ongoing debate on gay rights saying they will not entertain the calls. Addressing the media this morning, Shamenda got emotional after a journalist asked for a clarification on the gay rights issue. In response, Shamenda threw the question back to the journalist while raising his voice.
“If you have a problem with your (sexual) orientation, that’s your problem. You yourself, what do you think about gays? “We have so many serious problems to talk about and all you are saying is gays…gays..gays,” he said. Shamenda then explained to the inquistsive journalist that the laws of the land are very clear that homosexuality is not allowed in Zambia.
Shamenda said Zambia will therefore not entertain the amendment of the law to allow for the recognition of gay rights. Shamenda wondered why the issue of homosexuality has become an issue when the UN Chief raised a number of important issues during his visit other than the issue of gay rights.Shamenda said government will not waste time on an issue that is not of importance.
Zambians critically analyse the information reported by Kitwetimes. Zambians need to be prayerful, alert and Vigilant.God bless Zambian and every Zambian.
But Nevers, why did you accept an ambassador job to a country that recognises the rights of homosexuals. Practice what you preach.
ba neva in what capacity are u making those statements. it is the same lack of respect of authority that got u fired as veep.
Leviticus 20:13 states, “If there is a man who lies with a male
as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a
detestable act; they shall surely be put to death.” Their blood
guiltiness is upon them.”
I do not understand what Nevers wants to hear. My advice to Nevers: Read the constitution of the Republic of Zambia and then ask the question. HE MCS has very important issues to look at. Who does not know stealing is not allowed, who does not know corruption and other vices are not allowed. Nevers is try to open an already open door. If I were him I would talk about important issues affecting our people. Homo or lesb will not be supported in Zambia. Unfortunately the expected answer will not come.
U.S President Barack Obama is threatening to cut off foreign aid to Nigeria if a recent anti-gay bill is passed, but Nigerians are unwavering.A couple of weeks ago the Nigerian senate passed a bill that strictly prohibits same-sex romantic liaisons. The consequences are dire and well stated: Erring individuals stand to bag a jail sentence of 10 to 14 years. The bill has yet to pass through the country’s lower legislative chamber, the House of Representatives. If that happens, Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan can sign it into law.
Expectedly, the bill has raised furor among lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender groups (LGBT), human rights organizations and western governments. On Tuesday, Obama issued a memo ordering American diplomats abroad to advance the rights of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Persons. The U.S government also announced that the fight against gay and lesbian discrimination would be a central point of its foreign policy, and transgressing nations like Nigeria could be denied aid.
But the overwhelming majority of Nigerians who support the anti-gay bill are adamant. Addressing the Nigerian press on Obama’s threat, Zakari Mohammed, a Nigerian lawmaker said, “We have a culture. We have religious beliefs and we have a tradition. We are black people. We are not white, and so the U.S cannot impose its culture on us. Same sex marriage is alien to our culture and we can never give it a chance. So if [Western nations] withhold their aid to us, to hell with them.”Many Nigerians have frowned on the United States’ invasion into the country’s lawmaking process, with many arguing that Nigeria as a sovereign nation reserves the right to make its own laws without interferences from external forces.
“No country has the right to interfere in the way we make our own laws because we don’t interfere in the way others make their own laws,” Nigeria’s Senate President David Mark said when passing the bill.The country’s Minister for Information, Labaran Maku, said that Nigerians reserve the right to make their own laws without apologies to other countries. “Between Europe, America and Africa there is a huge culture gap. Some of the things that are considered fundamental rights abroad also can be very offensive to African culture and tradition and to the way we live our lives here,” he said during a press conference.
Many Nigerians share the sentiments of the information minister. “If the U.S or any other foreign country wants to strip us of aid because we still hold on tightly to our values, then so be it. We are Africans, not Americans. We do not influence other countries when they are making their laws, so it is ridiculous that they’ll attempt to influence the way we make our own laws. Africans view homosexuality as immoral. It has never been condoned in Africa, and it will certainly not be tolerated here in Nigeria,” says Tosin Omole, a pastor at a church in Lagos.
In most parts of Africa, homosexuality is vehemently frowned upon and perceived as an alien culture. The Nigerian anti-gay bill has so far enjoyed an overwhelming support from the majority of Nigerians, and it is highly likely that it will eventually be signed into law. Whether the U.S government will make good its threat of denying aid to Nigeria in the event that the bill is signed, only time will tell.
Recognize does not mean legalize. Some people are so daul like to differentiate words. Truely our zambian laws recognize homosexuality and this is why it is a crime in Zambia. Grow up. Nevers need to go back to his knees and seek forgiveness.
Recognize does not mean legalize Kalombo mwansa u r da man simply put.
I am not a spokesperson for Mr. Sata, but he made the same statement that Mr. Shamenda, has made that the laws of Zambia, do not allow the practice of homosexuality, this is on record and I am sure any sane person can accept this. It is easier for the good reverand to act as an attack dog over an issue that is a non issue. Has he forgotten that he opposed the declaration of Zambia, as a Christian nation? He was on the BBC, explaining why it was wrong to declare Zambia, as aChristian nation and in other media. Can he tell the nation whether he has changed his stance.
Lovely zambians we are very blessed people and pls let us keep on discerning so that we are not carried away by things of the world. We are peacefull loving people (Real Zambians). Lets keep
on praying God is on our side.
BLESS U ALL
NEVERS IS TALKING ON BEHULF OF HIS SON WHO IS A HOMO. PEOPLE I ALWAYS TELL YOU THAT NEVERS HAS A SON WHO IS ALREADY A HOMOSEXUAL, I WAS WITH HIM IN CUBA AT THE SAME SCHOOL. HIS ASKING FOR THE GOV. TO BE CLEAR ON THIS ISSUE IS TO KNOW IF HIS SON HAS THE RIGHT TO CONTINUE WHAT HE WAS DOING WHILE IN SCHOOL.
Therefore, I am presenting biblical truths with empirical facts that reinforce and confirm the values taught in God’s Word. I don’t have any delusions about this approach changing anyone who is closed-minded or wants to believe a lie because it’s convenient. I can’t argue anyone into believing. But I do pray that true believers who have simply been misinformed or uninformed will prayerfully consider and acknowledge the timeless truths of God’s Word.
For instance, many people think that saying homosexuality is wrong, is hate speech and have therefore adopted a tolerance toward the whole issue. Aside from the obvious scriptural teaching that says homosexuality and lesbianism is sin, consider some of these facts: Homosexuals average living twenty years less than their heterosexual counterparts
.1 THINK OF THAT! The government mandates that health warnings be put on cigarette packages, and smoking, on average, takes ten years off a person’s life.2 That means that on average, homosexuality reduces a person’s life 200 percent more than cigarette smoking. If there was any objectivity on this issue, people would speak out against homosexuality twice as much as they do against cigarettes.
However, the homosexual community tries to portray their lifestyle as normal, like the traditional couple next door. That is an absolute lie. Statistics show that domestic violence among homosexuals is 300 times greater than traditional couples.3 Suicide is 200 percent greater, and depression among homosexuals is 50 percent greater than heterosexuals.4
Some argue that these statistics are so high because homosexuals are denied acceptance in our culture. But look at societies like the Netherlands where homosexuality has been legalized for years. The rate of psychiatric illness is statistically similar to countries that haven’t granted this recognition to homosexuals.5 Therefore, that argument dies.
In the states that have allowed homosexual marriages, such as Vermont, only about 25 percent of homosexuals have availed themselves of marriage.6 Think about this—43 percent of homosexuals have had sex with 500 partners or more in their lifetimes. And 28 percent of homosexuals have had 1,000 or more sexual partners.7 That is HUGE! They aren’t moral people who want committed relationships. These statistics show that the majority of homosexuals are not “normal” by any measurement but their own. Their lifestyle is not only destructive to themselves but also to society.
When the spiritual effects of homosexuality are factored in, this is one of the most destructive lifestyles possible. It’s not a hate crime to say homosexuality is wrong any more than it’s a hate crime to say smoking is hazardous to one’s health. It’s just the truth. If we truly loved those trapped in homosexuality, we would speak out on this issue. But those who are telling the truth have been branded as hate mongers when just the opposite is true.
Those who endorse homosexuality are burying their heads in the sand of “political correctness” and encouraging destructive behavior.Leviticus 19:17 says,“Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.”
It’s sin not to speak the truth to homosexuals. It’s not loving them. It’s loving ourselves and avoiding the persecution that will surely come our way for taking a stand.Source Andrew Wommack ministries USA
U.S. Under Secretary for Political Affairs Wendy Sherman will visit Zambia next week.
Sherman who started her African tour today (Saturday) will also visit Nigeria, Angola, Malawi and Kenya.A statement by the US government says in Zambia, Sherman will be the highest ranking U. S. official to visit President Michael Sata after Zambia’s peaceful democratic transition in September 2011.
“She will meet with senior government officials, civil society leaders and journalists to discuss issues, including reform, the economy and elections.’’It stated that the Under Secretary would hold discussions with national leaders to underscore U. S. interests and strengthen collaborative efforts that promote good governance, economic growth, regional security, social development and human rights.
Zambians need to be prayerful,vigilant and alert with these high profile people all of a sudden showing interest in Zambia and why during this time during the rule of PF.Why was the constitution postponed we do not want abominations in Zambia. They need to be told continuosly in their faces that Jesus is Lord over Zambia. This time if PF keeps quiet God will judge them seriously. They can’t even dare talk about abominations in Muslim countries. Zambia is a christian nation and such abominations will not be allowed. God bless Zambia and all Zambians and all righteous political parties and leaders.Let’s keep the torch of prayer burning in our nation 24/7.
The PF Govt should explain what this visit is all about and what REFORMS will be discussed, will they be tied to the Zambian constitution, is that why it is being postponed to facilitate such ungodliness related to abominations, what HUMAN RIGHTS will be discussed, Zambians stay alert, prayerful and vigilant 24/7.Learn from Zimbabwe, Uganda and Nigeria.Do not vex the souls of upright Zambians. PF Govt no more staying mute on important moral and ethical national issues of great importance. Zambians should not wait for reporters to squeeze information from the PF Government, PF should be accountable to the Zambians, no back door deals this land is for Zambians and not for PF.
Planting seeds of hate.
Can these bloggers advice me whether its shamenda who is in state house and make a statement on serious national issue, all thats why people voted for cycle mata so that he makea statement on such seriuos issues himself which will carry more wheight that wait for shams to do it .Who is the President then? and why not remove the fears from the people that trusted you to give you that seat , we did not vote for him to keep quiet. In Uganda, Rwanda and Kenya the president came out in the open and spoke against it, why has not Cycle mata done that, may be thats what he mearnt with DONT KUBEBA slogan.
Go on Nevers, its democratic, talk your mind off. never mind ***** comments on here. Masipa abona